1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trusted 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We are you, your fully vaccinated host, 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: and that is what allows us to be back here 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: in the studio without wearing masks. Weston. It's really good 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: to see you right across the table here, my friend, 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: for well one, all the Skype episodes that you and 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: I did, all the recordings of this the socially distanced season. Uh, 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: coming in here with Larry to do three things and 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: wearing the masks even when we do final thoughts, wearing 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: the mask. What a relief this has been. And I 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: gotta give credit to the wonderful nurses everybody here from 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Bellin that that took care of me, took care of 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: my family over the past month, and just blessed and 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: fortunate as we prepare for an NFL draft this year, 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: my because we recap free agency today, Just what a 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: quantum leap we've made from last year when I was 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: trying to make sure I had enough bandwidth to be 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: able to stream video on my home WiFi so we 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: could do our jobs appropriately. That's right, well, we really 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: are turning over a new leaf here. In one we 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: had new intro music here for Packers unscripted, first time 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: we've we've changed that in in quite sometime. But as 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned, we do have a lot of off season 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: to recap here for the Packers, so we're going to 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: start there and later this week early next week we 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: will also get into previewing the NFL Draft, which as 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: of now is nine days away for the the first round. 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: But as far as the off season goes, a handful 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: of guys back with the Green Bay Packers West and 31 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: I'll just rattle off their names here. Aaron Jones, Kevin King, 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis, Tyler Lancaster, Will Redman all resigned with the 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. The biggest headline there, though, of those 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: five guys, has to be running back Aaron Jones, because 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: this is a guy he wasn't just going to be 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: the top running back available in free agency. He was 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: going to be one of the top free agents across 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the board in the league available if the Packers had 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: let it get to that point. They did not Aaron Jones. 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: A huge part of this Matt Lafleur offense is back 41 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: in the fold long term now for Green Bay. So 42 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: all these years in which we've had free agency, I've 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: always kind of looked at the board, how it was 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: laying out, and and very very infrequently is there a 45 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: moment where it's like, Okay, there's a player that you 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: think the Packers will bring back that they just can't 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: get back. For me, it was Aaron Jones this year. 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: Now certainly went right up until the eleventh hour, right 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: until the verge of free agency before he agreed to terms. 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: But when you sit back, Mike, you look at what 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: he has added to this Packers offense and how he 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: has every single year been in the National Football League, 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: increased his rushing totals, increased his flexibility as a running back. 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: This guy is more than what his position said. He 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: is a playmaker, and he's the second biggest playmaker in 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: this offense, second only to four time Pro bowler now 57 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: finally an All Pro receiver in Davante Adams. So to 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: have him back in the multitude of ways that Matt 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: Lafleur utilized him over the past two years, it just 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: made too much sense. Now, I think what the exciting 61 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: thing is going to be now for the Packers is 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: how do you expand on what this guy does because 63 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: he's in the prime now, twenty six years young. This 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: is that where you really expect him to be in 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: the peak of his years. I just think there's a 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: massive opportunity there. He'll have a new running mate in 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: a J. Dillon. But as far as the face of 68 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: that Packers backfield, Mike, this is the most stability they've 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: had their going back to really the Almond Green days. Yeah, 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting because Aaron Jones was here when Matt Lafleur arrived, obviously, right, 71 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: and they're there are all kinds of ways in which 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: coaches adjust their scheme and their systems to fit the 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: personnel they have. But that being said, you almost can't 74 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: raw up a running back who fits Matt Lafleur's offense 75 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: better than Aaron Jones. And that's what I was saying 76 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: all through last season when everybody was wondering, are the 77 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Packer is going to be able to bring back Aaron Jones? 78 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: What are the free agent priorities? And we'll talk about 79 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: some of the guys who are not back in a 80 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: moment here, and for me, Aaron Jones was the number 81 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: one priority in terms of resigning your own free agents 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: because of how he fits La Fleur's offense and what 83 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: he brings to the table in in all those different 84 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: skills he he just he brings more than any other 85 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: running back you could ask for, and to lose him 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: would have been to lose not just a running back, 87 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: but but such a big, such a big part of 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the offense. Now, as you said, he is in his prime. 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: He is hitting full stride here. So what are the 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: Packers going to do to expand the ways that they 91 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: use him? We could see him, We've already seen him 92 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: line up in a lot of different ways, but maybe 93 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: that starts to expand with a j. Dillon now coming 94 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: into his own a little bit more as the second 95 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: year and the number two running back um based on 96 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: the way the roster currently sits. So I'm really curious 97 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: to see now exactly you know what the plan is 98 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: for Aaron Jones moving forward, because I think there are 99 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: some things that maybe we haven't seen yet. Absolutely, And 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean this has been a guy that's been defying 101 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: the definition that everybody's put on him in his game 102 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: since he entered the league back in two thousand seventeen. 103 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: Is a fifth round draft pick. But here's the other 104 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: thing I love about him. And you know, there's a 105 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: million moments with Aaron Jones you can say, Okay, nobody 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: else can do that. This is a guy, this is special. 107 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: But if I was ever on the fence about as 108 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: he gonna be back or they canna be able to 109 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: pay him, you know, do you pay a running back? 110 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: It was that first play, I believe it was the 111 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: first play coming out a halftime against the Rams where 112 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: he bust the sixty yard in the playoff game, And 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: you and I were sitting there watching that, and I 114 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: just said to myself, I'm like, there are so few 115 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: human beings that can just change the complexion of a 116 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: football game the way that he just did that. It 117 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: wasn't I don't think Wayne was shouting that's your dagger 118 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: or anything like that up in the radio booth, but 119 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: it really felt like, Yeah, this is the Packers day, 120 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna take this one. And that's that's what he brings, 121 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: that game breaking aspect. And then just a quick shout 122 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: out to A J. Dillon. I mean, these are huge 123 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: shoes for him to fill. With Jamal Williams moving on 124 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: to Detroit, This is a guy that never fumbled during 125 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: his four years in Green Bay, was a consummate pro 126 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: in the locker room, was a fantastic pass protector and 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: ball catcher out of the backfield. But A J. Dillon, 128 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: when you saw he did against the Titans last year, 129 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: it just really opened my eyes to the possible thunder 130 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: enlightening combination that him and Aaron Jones can be. I 131 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: know that's an overplayed cliche, but if you look at 132 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: that six ft five ft nine two oh eight or 133 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: whatever Aaron Jones comes in at, those are two drastically 134 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: different running backs that the Packers could use in tandem. 135 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: They can alternate if you add in a number three 136 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: back through this draft or undraft free agency. There are 137 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: so many options here that Green Bay could explore. Yeah. 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely well. Maybe an unexpected move in free agency was 139 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: the resigning of Kevin King. I think when the Packers 140 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: did sign Aaron Jones, there was a lot of thought 141 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: that Kevin King was not a guy the Packers were 142 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: going to be able to afford. Turns out they did 143 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: bring him back on a one year deal, So the 144 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: Packers will have essentially their top three corners from last 145 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: year are back. Intact that, you know, the nickel package 146 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: that they used last year, j R. Alexander, Kevin King, 147 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: Channon Sullivan, will I'll be back. And then the other 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: real headline as far as the guys coming back, is 149 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: the big Dog Marcedes Lewis sixteen. This will be his 150 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: sixteenth season now in the NFL. And this is really 151 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: quite a story West because his first year here two 152 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, the last year of the Mike McCarthy era, 153 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: and after it looked like Marcedes Lewis was heading off 154 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: into the sunset, It's like, all right, it's time for 155 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: the next chapter in life. And not only did he 156 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: decide to come back play for Matt Lafleur. You know, 157 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: they've found this role for him both in the offense. 158 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: He has a tremendous role in the locker room. And 159 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: now here we are three years later and he just 160 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: got another contract and he's still going. And you know, 161 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: this coaching staff, all these guys on this roster are 162 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: thrilled that the Big Dog is back for another goal. 163 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: You know what he reminds me of who he reminds 164 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: me of. You remember Juwan Howard during his final years 165 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: of the NBA. He went to Miami Heat and he 166 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: was a big part of what they did there. He 167 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a guy that was playing thirty minutes at night anymore, 168 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: but he was a great locker room presence, a great leader. 169 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Obviously he's turned into a phenomenal college coach, but he 170 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: also gave them important minutes when he needed them. It 171 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: wasn't like, Okay, I'm not gonna have you give you 172 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: thirty anymore, but I'm gonna give you eleven good minutes 173 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: here and there when when I'm needed. And that's what 174 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Lewis reminds me of. If you want to talk about 175 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: any profession, doesn't have to be the National Football League, 176 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: could be your even your normal job. How do you last? 177 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: How do you find ways to be able to get 178 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: up in the morning and still enjoy what you're doing. 179 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: You have to evolve, you have to reinvent yourself. You 180 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: have to set new goals. That's what I love about 181 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis. What is the one thread? Since he was 182 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: drafted in the first round in two thousand and six. 183 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: He is a huge human being that is a willing blocker. 184 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: If he ate a couple too many Big Max on 185 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: a certain week, this guy could be a tackle in 186 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: this league. I mean, he's that big of a guy. 187 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: But he was also an incredibly athletic and gifted individual 188 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: in his prime. It's why he was able to go 189 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: to a Pro Bowl in two thousand and ten and 190 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: caught seven receiving yards passes. But now he's older, thirty 191 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: six range. You have to adapt your game, and he 192 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: has done that. In the best part about it, he 193 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: isn't he's playing a position other than quarterback or kicker 194 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: where they're just trump constantly trying to replace tight ends 195 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: in this league. Guys, come, guys, go, there's no replacing 196 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis. Whenever he decides to move on, You're not 197 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: just gonna be able to say, Okay, well this six 198 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: ft six, two seventy pound guy, he's going to be 199 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: the next guy. You have to have a certain skill 200 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: set that matches up with his physical attributes. Lewis brings that. 201 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, much like some of these guys 202 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: that you've seen over there, is he's still chasing that 203 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring. He's still chasing that Super Bowl appearance, 204 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: and he feels like this is the place to get 205 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: that done. Yeah, no question about it. Well, as far 206 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: as the Packers players who are not back who have 207 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: signed elsewhere, Corey Lindsley, Jamal Williams, Tim Boyle, Lane Taylor, 208 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: and Montravius Adams, And we talked a little bit already. 209 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: I think I want to start here with regard to 210 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Corey Lindsley and Lane Taylor both gone. 211 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: We know David Bakti is working on the rehab from 212 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: the a c L injury. Everybody's trying to figure out 213 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: what what's the Packers offensive line gonna look like in 214 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: Week one? You know, does Elton Jenkins play center and 215 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: take over for Lindsley? Does Jenkins play left tackle? Does 216 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: Billy Turner play left tackle? And Jenkins, you know, stay 217 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: where he is and you put somebody else at right tackle. 218 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: The most important thing I think moving forward here for 219 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: the Packers is they have options because you have versatile players, 220 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: and you also have a draft coming up where there's 221 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: a lot of depth that offensive tackle in this draft, 222 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: based on what the analysts are saying, you would think 223 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: the Packers are going to potentially make a significant draft 224 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: investment there at that position. So we're a long way 225 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: from knowing what the Packers offensive line is going to 226 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: look like in Week one, but it is gonna look 227 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: a little bit different in yeah, because for the first 228 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: time really since J. C. Trader was drafted, the Packers 229 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: don't have like a center prospect of a bona fide 230 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: guy that's like, okay, that's who we want snapping Aaron Rodgers. 231 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: Now the coaches might know that behind the scenes, but 232 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: as far as how we're approaching this season, we we 233 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: don't know which direction that's gonna go. I made my 234 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: two cents felt an inbox. You know, I would think 235 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: even if David bat is ready, the Packers are gonna 236 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 1: want to be cautious with them. They're gonna want to 237 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: er on the side of caution. Is I continually said, 238 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: because you know the way that Bats built cut from 239 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: that same cloth as Brian Bulaga. He's gonna want to 240 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: be out there as soon as possible. But there is 241 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: again you have to see the forest for the trees here. 242 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Let's say they just take the cautious approach there with Box. 243 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: Tr To me, after seeing what he did last year, 244 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: I think Elton Jenkins is a perfect fit to be 245 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: able to buy you time there at left tackle. I 246 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: really truly believe this, Mike. I think if Billy Turner 247 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: is just playing right tackle, I honestly believe he could 248 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: be an All Pro player in this league. I saw 249 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: that last year. I had some questions when he came 250 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: in at right guard, didn't quite look like his natural position. 251 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: But when they left him at right tackle, once he 252 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: settled into that job last year, you'd be hard pressed 253 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: to find anyone who did their job better. I believe. 254 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: I think he has the athleticisms, letticism for it, the footwork, 255 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: and he's intelligent from there. I think that lines up 256 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Lucas Patrick to be at center. I think you have, 257 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, John Runyon as a guard prospect and the 258 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: other guy not to forget about in this equation, stimonds 259 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Simon Stepanek. Now, he missed all last year because of 260 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: that coming off the a c L injury at Indiana. 261 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: You gotta remember, this kid put up thirty seven bench 262 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: reps at the combine that with with a bumne. That 263 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: is the most of anyone in the modern era that 264 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: the Packers have drafted. That was more than Corey Linsley. 265 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: That was more than although it wasn't at the combine 266 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: Tyler Lancaster. This guy is a strong dude. So that's 267 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: a great starting point for where you're at, and then 268 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: you factor in The Packers have had a really good 269 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: track record of drafting offensive lineman early, drafting them high, 270 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and having them make an incidant impact. So I've said 271 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: this over and over again. I mentioned it during our 272 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: offseason recap show. It Larry to me, I don't know 273 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: if it's the first round, second Whenever you pick the 274 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: best offensive lineman possible, you let him compete for a 275 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: job at a specific position and let the rest of 276 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: the dominoes fall from there because the versatility of that 277 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: group can be a real strength. Yeah, And what I 278 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: said an insider inbox the other day, what I think 279 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: really ultimately is going to be the question that the 280 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: Packers coaches face. Assuming David Batr is not lining up 281 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: at left tackle in Week one and he needs some 282 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: more time to be ready, the question that's going to 283 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: be facing the Packers coaching staff is for week one, 284 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: do you focus on getting your five best offensive linemen 285 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: out there or how much do you consider the whole 286 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: continuity aspect of things? Because if Elton Jenkins start this 287 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: starts the season at left tackle, presumably he's not going 288 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: to play left tackle all season. When bok Tr is ready, 289 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: he goes there, and then Jenkins shifts, and then you're 290 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: moving things around at some point after the season starts. 291 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: So is is it about the five best or is 292 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: it about the least disruption when Bostr comes back. I 293 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: think that's the question that the Packers coaches have to answer. 294 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what their answer is going to be. 295 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: Necessarily based on what we saw last year, the versatility 296 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: players moving guys around, it seemed the overwhelming philosophy was 297 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: with what we've got to deal with, We're putting our 298 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: best five guys out there in front of Aaron Rodgers. 299 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: I think that's the way they're going to go. But 300 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: I just throw it out there that the continuity part 301 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: things over the course of now a seventeen game season. 302 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: It's something that I think you at least have to consider. Yeah, 303 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: and behind the scenes, I mean, the Packers are gonna 304 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: get David Botr back at some point early middle whenever 305 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna be back, and you're gonna have the best 306 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: left tackle in football to playoff of the question, the 307 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: first thing that the coaches are gonna have to answer again, 308 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: and the meetings that you and I will not be 309 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: privy to assume, meetings that we will not have a 310 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: log in for, is gonna be what do you do 311 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: with Elton Jenkins Because the reason I mentioned him at 312 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: left tackles because the one thing that Elton proved to 313 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: me last year, it doesn't matter where you play him. 314 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many snaps he gets. He's gonna 315 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: perform well in that duty. And it doesn't matter what 316 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: the competition is. It's the guy that started the season 317 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: at right tackle. Because of the injury questions there, he 318 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: stepped in at center for three weeks. Mike Aaron Rodgers 319 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: has basically had the same two centers for the past 320 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: eight years. When you look at bulk of that being 321 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: Corey Lensley and a little bit of it being j. C. Treader, 322 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins went in there and it was like not 323 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: a step was missed. And this is, by the way, 324 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: subbing in for an All Pro or who is deemed 325 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: by the Associated Press to be the best center in 326 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: football last year. So that's why I just feel like 327 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: it's such a luxury that Green Bay has right now 328 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: and then and then again to Lucas Patrick's Lucas Patrick's 329 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: credit can play all three the interior positions. Billy Turner 330 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: can play everywhere as well. A lot of different potential 331 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: domino combinations here for Green Bay. Yeah, and quickly before 332 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: we move on to some other offseason news, Jamal Williams 333 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Tim Boyle both going to the division rival Detroit Lyons. 334 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: Essentially what that does? We already talked about Aaron Jones 335 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: a J. Dillon as the one to at running back 336 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: to Packers obviously have Aaron Rodgers Jordan's Love as the 337 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: one two at quarterback, but now the number three spot 338 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: at both of those positions is essentially wide open for 339 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: the Packers. They need a number three quarterback. Will they 340 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: use a late round draft pick on one? Will they 341 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: go the undrafted route as they did with when they 342 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: brought Tim Boyle in a few years ago. As far 343 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: as running back, you have a handful of candidates on 344 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: the roster for the number three running back, but maybe 345 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: you also draft one at some point here in a 346 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: week and a half to add to that competition to 347 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: see who's going to be that number three behind Jones 348 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: and Dylan. So some interesting things to watch here at 349 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: those two positions. As as a couple of very reliable 350 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: guys end up going to a division rival in free agency. 351 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: First and foremost, to tip my cap to the Lions, 352 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: I thought those are two of the best signings that 353 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: have been made of the NFC, not just the division, 354 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: this office and kind of signings that went under the radar, 355 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: frankly under the rains of the national in terms of 356 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the national media. But but yeah, I I agree with you. 357 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: I think those I think those are really really good 358 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: pickups for the Detroit Lions with what they're trying to do. Yeah, 359 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: and in the contract that Jamal Williams got reportedly, I mean, 360 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: just what an incredible deal in savings that is for Detroit. 361 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: And I've said this time and time again and I'll 362 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: say it once more. I know DeAndre Swifts there, I 363 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: know all these other things. My advice to Detroit Lions 364 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: is make Jamal Williams. Give him a good opportunity to 365 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: be your lead back next year. You won't be disappointed. 366 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: And as far as Tim Boyle, everyone knows my feelings 367 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: about Tim Boyle, what an amazing story he's been. But 368 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: I saw that one blogger, one one fan site for 369 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: the lines of saying as Jared Goff the best quarterback 370 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: now in the NFC North, and obviously they're just you know, 371 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: it's all tongue in cheek. I get that, But the 372 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: Lion is better make sure that he's their best quarterback 373 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: on the roster because I still I've said it time 374 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: and time again, I think Tim Boyle is going to 375 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: open some eyes. He has the arm, he has a size, 376 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: he has everything you look for in an NFL quarterback. Yeah, 377 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: no question about it. Quickly here West some sponsored business. 378 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: Serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and 379 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: up to the minute NFL news that true football fanatics 380 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: need seven three six. All right, before we go, I 381 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: do want to talk about the two big changes on 382 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: the coaching staff here for the Packers. Two new coordinators 383 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: Joe Berry brought in as defensive coordinator to replace Mike Patton, 384 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: and Moe Drayton promoted from special teams assistant to spell 385 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: teams coordinator to replace Sean Meninga. Just your initial impressions 386 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: here of these moves and uh and when they were 387 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: introduced to the Green Bay media. Yeah, and I was funny. 388 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: I was driving through like northern Wisconsin, like like north 389 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: of Rhinelander. I was that the day you went up 390 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: to Superior. Yeah. I was in the middle of road trip. Yeah, 391 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: so I but I made it a point. Mike was 392 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: being very nice. The age of zoom, you have to 393 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: take advantage of the fact that we can do all 394 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: this stuff remotely. Mike handled all the coverage of the 395 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: coaches that day, but I still listened. I stopped over 396 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: at the Culver's in Rhine Landers so I could start 397 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: listening to Joe Barry Country. Yeah, and I was so impressed, 398 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: not only by him and how he spoke and all 399 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: those things, but when you take a step back and 400 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: you look at his resume, don't look at just the 401 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator stints. Look at his entire resume, working with 402 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: Monty Kiffin, his you know, his work with I know 403 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: it's his father in law. But I've always had an 404 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,239 Speaker 1: immense respect for Rod Marinelli. You've heard me talk about it, 405 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: the way he renovated Dallas's defense there in the two 406 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: thousand tents um and then obviously now the scheme and 407 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: system of defense that they've been running in in l 408 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: A when it was Wade Phillips, and now obviously the 409 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: transition this past year, there is such a unique blend 410 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: of philosophies that have been incorporated into berries in his mind. 411 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: Now he's gonna be his own man, He's going to 412 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: be his own coach. But when you are immersed in 413 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: that type of not only that scheme, but the amount 414 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: of talent he's been around, I just I think when 415 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: you sit back and you look at where this talent 416 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: level is at. For Green Bay again, a top ten 417 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: defense last season, first time they've done that since the 418 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: Super Bowl year in two thousand and ten, there's just 419 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: I think the possibilities are endless. I'm really I I 420 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: we all know what the pieces are going to be 421 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: for the Packers defense. How do you move them? How 422 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: do you get the most out of him? How are 423 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: you able to get you know, the Smith Bros. Going 424 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: back again, What is the next step for Gyr Alexander 425 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: on the outside, Darniell Savage? What kind of weapon can 426 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: this guy be? In Mr? Consistency Adrian Amos, There are 427 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: just I think the possibilities are undless for that defense. Yeah, 428 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: as I've been saying, I don't see this as something 429 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: that's like a major defensive overhaul. It wasn't. Yeah, that's 430 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: not to say that that's not to say the defense 431 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: is going to look exactly the same under Joe Berry. 432 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: But this is not something where we're going to be 433 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: spending the off season and training camp talking a lot. 434 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: At least I don't think we're going to be talking 435 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot about this, this transition to the new playbook 436 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: and everything like that. Yes, there are going to be 437 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: some things that are different, but this is not going 438 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: to be some completely different scheme. One thing that I 439 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: noticed about Joe Berry, and he mentioned it when he 440 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: spoke with the Green Bay Media, and it's kind of 441 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: what I wrote about that day, is that you look 442 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: at you look at his track record. This is a 443 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: guy who's been everywhere in the NFL, from the penthouse 444 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: to the outhouse. He's been on a coaching staff that 445 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. He's been on a coaching staff 446 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: that lost every single game during a season. And but 447 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: we're undefeated in the preseason. But to his to his credit, 448 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: he you know, he's not he's not dodging the failures 449 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: that he's had along the way, and he's like, hey, 450 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: those failures, those rough moments are what made me a 451 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: better coach. Yes, going to Super Bowls, which he's been 452 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: to a couple, he's won one. Those are the things 453 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: that you enjoy. Those are those are the ones that 454 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: are really going to be the you know, the lasting memories. 455 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: But the moments that make you a better coach are 456 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: when things don't go well in this league and you've 457 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to figure it out. And 458 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: so I was I was really interested to hear what 459 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: he had to say about that, because he wasn't trying 460 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: to dodge, you know, the downtimes in Detroit and Washington 461 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: when he was when he was on the defensive staff, 462 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator there, and is he said, I'm 463 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: proud of my scars. I love that line. That was 464 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: the line of the press conference. I know everybody pulled 465 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: that out as the top quote. It was true. But again, 466 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: if you want to take a step back, if you 467 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: really want to perseverate about the defensive coordinator stints, look 468 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: at the talent level, Look at how many Pro bowlers 469 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: around those teams in Detroit, Look at what he was 470 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: dealing with in Washington. This is a new agenda. He 471 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: has been given a five course dinner that he's gonna 472 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: be sitting in front of now and it's your opportunity 473 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: to finally go to work. Yeah, and as far as Drayton, 474 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: that special teams coordinator, this isn't this, This is this 475 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: is almost just as big a higher as defensive coordinator. 476 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: With as much as the Packers struggled on special teams 477 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: a year ago, not really any return game to speak of, 478 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: too many explosive plays in the in the return game. 479 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: The other way, Mo Drayton has a lot of work 480 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: to do. This is in some sense as a risky 481 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: hire for Matt Lafleur because he promoted somebody from within 482 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: who was part of the struggles last year in the 483 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: season instead of going outside and bringing somebody into to 484 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: completely start over. So there's a lot of people questioning 485 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: that decision. I'll just I'll just say this, and I 486 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: said this an insider inbox as well. Nobody was doing 487 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: nationally speaking, fan base speaking, nobody was doing a bunch 488 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: of cartwheels. And Nathaniel Hackett was the became the offensive 489 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: coordinator when Adam Stanovich became the offensive line coach. Look 490 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: at what those guys have done now on Matt Lafleur's staff, 491 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: Guys that he had some connections with that he that 492 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: he knew. Okay, Matt Lafleur worked with Joe Berry with 493 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: the Rams. He's seen Mo Drayton up close the last 494 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: couple of years as he was um the assistant on 495 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: special Teams. We just we have to we have to 496 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: give Matt Lafleur's I for coaching talent, you know, a 497 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: chance here to see to see if he's right before 498 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: we start, you know, making a whole bunch of judgments 499 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: about these hires. That again, nobody, nobody was jumping up 500 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: and down about Joe Berry and Moe Drayton, but you know, 501 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: he's had hires like that. He's had hires in the 502 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: past that didn't necessarily get everybody outside the building super excited, 503 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: but look how they work. And especially when they hired 504 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett. Everything. For as much as he accomplished in Jacksonville, 505 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: the way things ended there, there were some questions about 506 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: putting him into that role. He been an All star, 507 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: higher was a guy that had an opportunity to get 508 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: an interview as a head coach this offseason. That's where 509 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: he's at now. The thing I like the most though 510 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: about the Special Teams is yes, it's a coach that 511 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: has been on staff. But you heard Matt Lafleur talk 512 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: about it, and again this is no disrespect to Seawan Meninga, 513 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: but you could almost hear in his words when he 514 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: was addressing the media that this is a guy I 515 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: wish I would have known more about that being uh 516 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: Modrayton when he hired for the coordinator's spot the first time, 517 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: he knew he was talented, he knew he's someone that 518 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: was held in higher guard in this in the building, 519 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: but wasn't sure if he was ready for that head spot. 520 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: He feels like that's the spot he's in now. And 521 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: even more than that, Mike. Right now, Greeny Packers have 522 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: six specialists on this offseason roster. You have to imagine 523 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of competition not only for that, 524 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: for the return jobs, for the four core jobs they 525 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: brought back, Will Redmond you have you know, or in 526 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: Burke's and Tye Summers coming back. They want to build 527 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: a basis there and I think this is an important 528 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: time to do it because I would believe I still 529 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: think we're gonna end up seeing this expanded practice squad 530 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: stick around even past COVID. You're going to be able 531 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: to pull players. You're gonna be able to do a 532 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: little bit more maneuvering than in the past. If you 533 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: can find players, I really truly believe this, find a 534 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: core group that then you can move pieces around as 535 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: you need to. That is going to be key, because 536 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: as as Drayton said, you look back to the Nolan 537 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: Cromwell days, the Mic Stock days. He took the right 538 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: approach in being reflective on what the history of special 539 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: teams is in Green Bay and wanting to pay homage 540 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: to that and also bring some of those values back 541 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: now as they look to turn this thing around. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, 542 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: with that, we're going to call it a wrap on 543 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. In our next couple of episodes, 544 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: we will look a little more closely at the draft 545 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: and and get into the Draft preview as things really 546 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: ramp up and get close here. But for now, thank 547 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: you for tuning in everybody. We appreciate it. We really 548 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: appreciate being back here in the studio. Nice studio. This 549 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: is nice. We will see you next time.