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Speaker 2: Good mornings, world, and welcome to the No Dungks Podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by Amazon Prime. It's Wednesday, June fourth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Skis here in the Classic Factory and alongside

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Speaker 2: me as always tasamelas.

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Speaker 3: Happy Running day everyone. I didn't know there was a

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Speaker 3: running day.

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Speaker 2: Oh, happy running, Happy runn day to you as well.

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Speaker 2: Over Yonder making the magic happen. Super producer jd Oh Hello, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: there he is here. We are nobody sounding like robots today.

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Speaker 2: We're good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're good. Okay, just looking at the

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Speaker 3: waves there, looking at the comments. Actually only wait, I

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Speaker 3: can tell.

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Speaker 2: Trey and Ash are in Oklahoma City getting ready for

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Speaker 2: Game one of the NBA Finals. Uh they've already had

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Speaker 2: a tornado scare or two wow while in Okay. See, yeah,

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Speaker 2: quite the storms yesterday. They're safe and sound. They made

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Speaker 2: it to their hotel and they'll be at Media Day

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Speaker 2: all day long. The marathon of Media Day. Game one.

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Speaker 3: It happens in Oklahoma where you just got these thunder

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Speaker 3: thunder warnings. No, no, these tornado warnings. Yeah, the thunder,

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Speaker 3: no warnings about the thunder. But it happened last month.

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Speaker 3: Our man Toni Jones. They had to do just circle

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Speaker 2: Well, the Pacers chartered plane had to do that. It

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Speaker 3: Did they see it, tumbleweed? That's the question we always wonder.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out. Yeah, we'll find out. When we talked

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Speaker 2: to them. We got lots to get into here though.

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Speaker 2: finally addressed these Giannis to the Toronto Raptors trade room. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're pumped for that and we'll get into some fun

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Speaker 2: like prop bets for Game one or at least in

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Speaker 2: the finals. But yesterday the New York Knicks fired head

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Speaker 2: coach Tom Thibodeaux. The team announced this in a statement.

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Speaker 2: Tibbs led the Knicks to the East Finals this season,

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Speaker 3: you can see why Ben Stiller jumped on Twitter and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm unsure that I think Tibbs did an incredible job,

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Speaker 2: Exactly, just slow played a little bit right, like lean

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Speaker 3: this team. We're part of the four hundred best players

429
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Speaker 3: in the world. They should be playing. And so when

430
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 3: you look at the numbers of those guys, they had

431
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: three of the top five guys in minutes per game

432
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 3: this entire regular season, and they were worked and they

433
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 3: had you know, if you include other guys, they had

434
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 3: five of the top twenty in the NBA were the

435
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: highest minutes per game for that team. And when I

436
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 3: said they only beat teams by three point three points

437
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 3: per hundred possessions, that's not a lot of points. That's

438
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 3: not spanking other teams. So it didn't work all that well.

439
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 3: And then even though they were top five team, and

440
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: I said, they kind of come out of nowhere and

441
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: they finished jobs when back backs against the wall, they

442
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 3: do because they're that talented. And so yes, I do

443
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 3: think they weren't getting enough out of their entire entire roster.

444
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 3: And yeah, we can say Deuce McBride and Delon Wright

445
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 3: and Landry Shammitt just ain't enough to come off the bench. Well,

446
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 3: those guys didn't play a lot, and they Duce played

447
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 3: even fewer minutes in the postseason. And I think that's

448
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: a problem. And Brunston had to be You didn't have to.

449
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: If you're the other coach on the other side, you

450
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: plan on taking the ball out of Brunston's hands over

451
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: and over and over again. And Deuce would have helped out,

452
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: I think in that perspective. And then you know, Tyler

453
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: Kohlik is a guy on that team who could have

454
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: played additionally, So yeah, I think there's some things to

455
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 3: be said that Tibbs could have done differently. Obviously, Jaylen

456
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: Brunson will sit in that postgame press conference after being

457
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 3: eliminated and saying when a question was asked, hey, is

458
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 3: TIB's the guy for this tame and he'll say, are

459
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: you kidding?

460
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: He was offended.

461
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: He was offended by that. So he has a lot

462
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 3: of loyalty and so that obviously would make you think, oh,

463
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: Tim's gonna stick around. That being said, the next coach

464
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: will also put Jalen Brunson in the number one spot

465
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Speaker 3: and give him a lot of responsibility. And I think

466
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: Tibbs did ask Brunson to take fewer shots this year,

467
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 3: which he did. But I do think the next coach

468
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: will be able to get enough out of Brunson and

469
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 3: get enough out of those guys. And again, like I know,

470
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: we may be saying it twenty games into the season

471
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: when they're twelve and eight. Now, maybe Tims was good

472
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 3: for this team. This team wasn't an incredible regular season team.

473
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: They're fifty one and thirty one. They weren't all that good.

474
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: They couldn't beat Boston, they couldn't beat Okay. See, they

475
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: couldn't beat Cleveland, and then when they got to the postseason,

476
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 3: they did not have a good series against Detroit. They

477
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: did not look they didn't blow them out by any means. No,

478
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 3: in any of those games, the starters again were just

479
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: barely were actually losing a lot of their minutes. And

480
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 3: then it happened in Boston. Were Yes, those were miracles, man,

481
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: those were miracles. And they did obviously play extremely hard.

482
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 2: But in the air, they're saying, you can't just look

483
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: at this and go, Okay, yeah, he's been there five years,

484
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: he won a lot of games, like I already said,

485
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: and then he went to the conference finals. You need

486
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: to get like get into like the actual details, give

487
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: it some context of like how those series went. And

488
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: maybe that's why they're still pause despite being two games

489
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: away from the finals, because of lineups, because of his stubbornness,

490
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: and for all these reasons.

491
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're here to watch basketball, and somehow, some ways,

492
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: sometimes guys and teams get to conference finals. But that

493
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: ain't enough. I mean, we saw the Portland Trailblazers get

494
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: to wine. We saw these teams get to two series

495
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: and again they did fight. But but this is rare.

496
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: Dan Feldman I saw had the breakdown. New York is

497
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: the first team coming off a conference finals appearance to

498
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: fire its coach for basketball reasons since the Grizzlies fired

499
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: Lionel Hollins back in twenty thirteen. Memphis Grizzlies have not

500
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: been back to the conference finals since before that. The Pistons,

501
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: the last team with Flip Saunders in two thousand and eight,

502
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: Detroit hasn't been back since. So again, there are the Tyloos,

503
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: there are the Steve Kurrz, the Nick Nurses, I mean,

504
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: even Udoka getting his team as a rookie coach to

505
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: the finals, Missoula winning it in his second season. A

506
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: lot of examples where it does work, but there are

507
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: just as many where it does not. So this is

508
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 2: a huge like the Bridges move, trading all that draft capital,

509
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: like the Cat move a week or two before, you know, preseason,

510
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: swapping out Randal for him. And now this these are ballsy,

511
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: ballsy moves here from Leon Rose in the front office

512
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: slash Dolan. I guess you know, going for it, really

513
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: going for I mean this is this is a championship

514
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: or bus move.

515
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: Another one, and you brought up a good point about

516
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference where it feels like this is the

517
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: time to do it.

518
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge part of this.

519
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do considering which which team is that the

520
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: team next year? The Cavs are the team in the

521
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: regular season, maybe, but beyond that, I mean, Boston is

522
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: a good team.

523
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: They're going to fall off though without Tatum. Yeah, it's

524
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: and the Pacers obviously have.

525
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: To be stolen the Pacers obviously, Yes, but.

526
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Speaker 2: It's pretty pretty open. Okay, So who's going to be

527
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: the next coach for the Knicks? I can give you

528
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of names. Here, are you interested in a mic?

529
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of mics for you.

530
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: Okay.

531
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: Michael Malone's name is being thrown around. Obviously, he was

532
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: canned right at the end of the regular season. You're

533
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: your head.

534
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't buy Michael Malone.

535
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: What because he's too similar to Tips.

536
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: A little bit. He plays his guys, he plays his vets.

537
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 3: There's a reason why they let him go in Denver.

538
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: It was because he didn't want to play his younger guys.

539
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: And you can say, well, you know, Nikali Jokicchen not

540
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: a great rim deterrent. Maybe Karl Anthony Towns could be

541
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: the mirror, but at the same time, those are two

542
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: different men. Jokich is a very different player, and yeah,

543
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 3: they won a championship. But I do think Michael Malone

544
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: didn't want to play as young guys and that was

545
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: part of why he was gone. So I don't see

546
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 3: that happening. And I don't know if he likes the

547
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: media world now he's on the ESPN. I don't. I

548
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: don't think that factors in. I think the Knicks won't

549
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: do it. I just think they won't.

550
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: Mike Budenholzer another mic, another mic, Yeah, I ain't going

551
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: with that, Mike, okay, Mike Brown, Oh, I forgot about that.

552
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 3: Mike.

553
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: Three mikes for you. You want a d'antni as well,

554
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna give him a bit of No.

555
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: I don't think that's happening now. I think I think

556
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: they go younger.

557
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: But okay, other names. I'll go through a bunch here

558
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: coaches obviously that had some success and maybe get another chance.

559
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: Kenny Atkinson, you already brought him up, Taylor Jenkins, James Barrego.

560
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: Then we can get into some college names like Jay Wright,

561
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: Dan Hurley. Then there's some old guys that used to

562
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: be on the ABC call Mark Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy.

563
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: Oh wow, they got Rick Brunson there. Could he just

564
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: take over? Could Jalen's dad just move over a couple

565
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: of seats? Chris Quinn's name as a possibility being thrown around.

566
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: Johnny Bryant is a very hot name right now in

567
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: the coaching circles.

568
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: Now.

569
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: It looks like the Suns like have him narrow, They

570
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: have him on a short list as their potential new coach.

571
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why the Nick suddenly fired Tips and they

572
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: really wanted Johnny Bryant. That's possibility. And then I saw

573
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: this as my favorite name. I'm just gonna check it out.

574
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: U CBS is a s Quinn threw it a wild

575
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: card name. What about Chris Paul? Go Jason kidt style,

576
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: Chris Paul, hang it up and just go coach right away.

577
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: But anyway, I gave you a million names.

578
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: There is there one store Meadow world piece piece.

579
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: I saw coach Meta. Yeah, he wanted to get in there.

580
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: He said I should coach Dwight Howard a few weeks ago,

581
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: said I should be playing for the Knicks. He threw

582
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: throughout him in the Knick's uniform, that he could be

583
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: the guy beside Carlins and Towns. I mean, you're a

584
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: little old now, but uh, Kenny Atkinson, yep, cass coach.

585
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I did say.

586
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: I had had to confirm that he wasn't fired because

587
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: he is the coach, because coaches of the year I

588
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: often get fired. It's a weird thing.

589
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: But having a brain fart. He is coaching the Caves

590
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: as of right now, but this is the NBA.

591
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's to say in.

592
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: An hour he won't be fired and then suddenly coaching

593
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: the Knicks.

594
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: I do think that the Knicks go way younger and

595
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: have somebody that doesn't even have a name. It doesn't

596
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: even have a lot of experience. And I saw our

597
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: guys at the athletic throughout the name of okac's lead

598
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: assistant who coaches their incredible defense. He was the guy

599
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: who started their defense, Dave Bliss. I think that's a possibility. Bliss,

600
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: what a great name.

601
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: So what you gotta wait till the finals are over then.

602
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: I guess so, but you could probably start talking to him.

603
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: You talk to Sam Press, they say, can we start

604
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: talking to that guy? There's some John's out there, Johnny Bryant,

605
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: James Rag, Yeah, lots of Mike's, Taylor Jenkins.

606
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: But your gut says they go with a coach that

607
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: has never been a head coach in the league and

608
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: like a fresh fresh voice, like like the Nick Nurse

609
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: angle or I guess even you know, Steve Kerr would

610
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 2: have been that as well.

611
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve Kerr was that. It's it's kind of some

612
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: some part of it. You look at it and you say,

613
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: in Madison Square Garden doing this whole the next thing

614
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: is big, Yeah, exactly. But I do think they go

615
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: way younger, and I think that's fine. I mean, you

616
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: were watching Mark Deagna in the NBA Finals, Is that,

617
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: you know, because of Shaykillers Alexander Well in part? Yeah,

618
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: but I think, yeah, I think way younger is my

619
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: Oh yes, anyway.

620
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, this is a fun little stat here. Now with

621
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: obviously uh Tom Thibodeau being fired, every NBA coach of

622
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 2: the Year from twenty eighteen through twenty twenty three has

623
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: now been fired. What a list. So you had Mike

624
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: Brown in twenty two twenty three obviously canned. Maybe he

625
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: gets this job. Manti Williams was coach of the Year

626
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: in twenty one twenty two. Tom Thibodeau. Of course, Nick

627
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: Nurse nineteen twenty Coach of the year, you got canned.

628
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: Mike Budenholzer, you got fired twice over the span he

629
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: was eighteen nineteen and then Dwayne Casey in seventeen eighteen.

630
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: So does that leave Mark Dagnall and Kenny Atkinson vulnerable?

631
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Sleep with one eye open, guys, you don't want to

632
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: win coach of the year? Kiss a death.

633
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, one day it's it. Everybody gets everybody fire. Yeah,

634
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: that's the thing. Dagna could be starting a dynasty. I

635
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: think he's saying right now, Yeah, I think he's good.

636
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: Kenny Akinson, Okay.

637
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: Now he's good. Obviously injuries were a teeny tiny part

638
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: of that. But the Pacers are just the best team

639
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: in the Eastern Conference. They deserve to be where they are.

640
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: And then my final question with this, do you think

641
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: in Tim's getting canned here? Is he like potentially like

642
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: the first domino to fall in some sort of big

643
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: move from the Knicks, like a blockbuster trade of some sort,

644
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Like is that a possibility?

645
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: Right?

646
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: Because like, okay, I mean I get it. I guess

647
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: the whole point of this is like, we have a

648
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: good team. We think we put a lot of money

649
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 2: into this team. We gave up a lot of draft capital,

650
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: So make it work, because what else are we gonna do?

651
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: They have the veteran minimum minimum exception and part of

652
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: five point seven million dollar tax mid level exception. They

653
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: have that to use a free agency, not a whole

654
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: lot else, right, so it's like, what are you gonna do?

655
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: But could this be a moving of a mckail bridges

656
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: or a moving of a Karl Anthony Towns? And it's like,

657
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: you do you sort of do this in in tandem

658
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: of like firing Tims, getting a new coach and then

659
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: also doing a pretty drastic move or do you think

660
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: that's like a little far fetch and you just get

661
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: fresh eyes in there and give them a go.

662
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: I don't think they make a huge move. I think

663
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: the roster is pretty good depth wise, center wise. Sure

664
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: that could be moved in some way, shape or form,

665
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: whether it's just a free agent using that exception to

666
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: get another big body. And I think they want to

667
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: play Deuce mcbridemore. I think the front office looks at

668
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: him and say, we signed that guy to a great deal,

669
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: a descending contract deal. I think yes, in a in

670
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: a zoom situation, I think they just hire a coach

671
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: that needs to play those guys more. I think that's

672
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: what happens. Unless I'm unless I'm not seeing something, I

673
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: don't see it.

674
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: Looking back, they probably really botched it trading Quinn Grimes.

675
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could have used a guy like that a.

676
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: Bit bigger, because I think it's a big part of

677
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: this whole, Like, oh, I should have played mcbridemore. I

678
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: think Tims was just terrified of having brunts and McBride

679
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: out there, two guys that are like, they're like probably

680
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: knocking on six feet sixty one. They're both small guys, smaller,

681
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: but can't you just see Tims is like like, nope,

682
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: more size, Yeah, a little bit.

683
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: But Deuce was fighting over screens.

684
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: I know, I know I'm not saying it's correct, but

685
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: I feel like he really just straight up looked at

686
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: those two guys, two short guys out there. You have

687
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: two short kings.

688
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're in the locker room and they've got they're

689
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: on the wall and you can see.

690
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: That Tis has a pencil line for each of their

691
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: height all the time.

692
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Before we go out for this first half, just put

693
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: your back against the wall and you can see it. Yeah,

694
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: it's like uh yeah in uh jail photo, you know

695
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: exactly exactly that. Yeah, you could just see it. I

696
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: mean it makes it easy. But Deuce was great at

697
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: being a good defensive play. Yeah, so it's a little

698
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: puzzling to me. But here we are. Man, it's weird.

699
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: It's weird to see Tibideau go to conference finals just

700
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: get axed.

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00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it was weird when Jenkins got fired near

702
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: the end of the regular season. Then it was maybe

703
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: even weirder when Michael Malone got fired near the end

704
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: of the season. Yeah, and then this one is just like,

705
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: you know, this is the NBA, like we say with coaches.

706
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Jenkins wasn't his team wasn't performing incredibly anyway.

707
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that when the least surprising. But still yeah, still

708
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: like you just have no there's no runway at all.

709
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: Like really, Michael Malone was strange because it worked in

710
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: tandem with firing Calvin Booth leading the front offense. That's

711
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: two two things at the same time. That was confusing.

712
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: Final final thing here on TIBs. I saw this from

713
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: at Buckets on Twitter, the Pacers coach killers this season

714
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: TIBs and the Knicks lost to the Pacers. He's fired

715
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 2: three days later after that Game six of the Eastern

716
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: Conference Finals. Earlier, Michael Malone just talking about him with

717
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: the Nuggets they lost to the Pacers. Malone out two

718
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: days later, and even Mike Brown they lost to the Pacers,

719
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: and then the Kings did, and then five days later

720
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: he was canned. Pacers taken down the coaches this year,

721
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: so maybe maybe if they pull off one of the

722
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: biggest upsets in finals history. Deadnald's next. All right, let's

723
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: hear from you guys. How surprised were you by this firing?

724
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: Do you think he should have at least been given

725
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: next season? That's what Abuel said, Like, why don't you

726
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: just give him like another go next year? But again,

727
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: I think they're just like this guy changing man. We've

728
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: already had these conversations with him. Yeah, he's stuck in

729
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: his ways. And who do you think should coach the.

730
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: Next next Yeah, And while you're saying that, I'm thinking

731
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: they had three of the top five guys playing minutes

732
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: per play in minutes per play this season, and one

733
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: of those names stands out to me as Josh Hart

734
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: being a guy who couldn't shoot. Yeah, So there's that,

735
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: just that different offense as hard as Josh Hart plays

736
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: and who what he did even in that Boston series

737
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: is grabbing offensive rebounds in fourth quarters there where they

738
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: won game one, game two, just to have a difference

739
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: in terms of what they can run out there. So

740
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: there's that. There's that Josh Hart, great guy, incredible guy.

741
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: But is he going to be on a starting lineup

742
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: that wins an NBA championship.

743
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: That's for the next coach to figure out. I guess,

744
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: And again, tell us who you think it should be

745
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: or will be. Let us know in the stream team

746
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: and obviously in the comments. Okay, let's play a little

747
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: fill in the blank. Fill in the blank. It's been

748
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: forever since we've done this, but we got a few

749
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: fun topics for you, Hear Tasks and everybody here on

750
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: the stream team and podcast listeners and everybody on YouTube.

751
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: Later first one, yesterday, the Orlando Magic unveiled a new logo,

752
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: three fresh uniforms, and an updated court during a special

753
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: celebration at the Kia Center. So there's the new logo

754
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: for everybody on YouTube. They changed the color of blue

755
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: and obviously went with the circular look. Let's see the jersey, Okay, yeah,

756
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: we got three there, the association jersey that's the white one,

757
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: the icon blue, and then the statement black one, so

758
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, an evault take on some modern classics.

759
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: And then finally the court there's a real shot of

760
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: it there with that new logo and again the new blue,

761
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: and then got the sort of graphic that you see

762
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: sort of passed around by these NBA teams, still keeping

763
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: the Celtics like parquet floor there, which I sort of

764
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: like too, one of the rare teams to do that.

765
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: So you saw it all task fill in the blank.

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00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: The Orlando Magic's new look is blank.

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00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 3: Solid. That's my word. Let's start with the jerseys, because

768
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 3: I think what the front office and ownership is saying,

769
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: we've got classic jerseys, and when you are one of

770
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: the better teams in the NBA, you've got classic jerseys

771
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: that you can rely on over and over and over again.

772
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: So there's no need to mess with them, I think,

773
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: is what they're saying here. With a slight modern twist.

774
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: They're sort of throwbacks, like they are the pinstripes. We

775
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: saw in the nineties. We're talking about the home and

776
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: the aways. Here, I will say, you know, the I'm

777
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: a little unsure on the size on Franz Wagner of

778
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: the font of Orlando looks teeny tiny bo But when

779
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: they're hanging there on the left, on that rusted bar

780
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: that I like how they got a classic bar. It's

781
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: already faded, the paint is already faded. The sizing looks

782
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: fine there. So the home in the way with a

783
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: slightly angled star on it, that's the sort of the

784
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: modernized twist. I think. I like the home and the away.

785
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: I think the third jersey, the statement the City edition

786
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: call it both. I guess there's three things on it.

787
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: I think you should just go with two things, like

788
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: it's solid up top, then it's got a strap or

789
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: whatever you call that thing in the middle like a

790
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: sash almost, and then stripes on the bottom. So there's

791
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: three things. Why don't just go two things like solid

792
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: in the strap or I think I go with that

793
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: l strap so you get away from these pin stripes

794
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: on all three jerseys. I think that's a little a

795
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: little much, But I do like how they're saying these

796
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: are our jerseys that are probably going to be there

797
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: for eternity. They again an angled star on it with

798
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: a little bit longer bottom tip on it, like that,

799
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: that's the new thing, that's the new part. And then

800
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: you can always change the third jersey. So I like

801
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: that from the jersey person.

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00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean it's basically a throwback jersey with again a

803
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: little bit of a modern twist, yeah, to make it

804
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: fresh or new. The black statement uniform that you were

805
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: sort of like, I don't know about that. Maybe it'sn't

806
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: too busy. It is influenced and JD you got a

807
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: photo of Shack here wearing it. It's influenced by the

808
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: Magic's original on court warm up jackets with the bold

809
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: stripe and that's sort of what they're replicating here in

810
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: a in jersey form, right, you know, pin stripes down

811
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: basically the bottom part and that that sash like you

812
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: called it. I like that, and then and then the

813
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: blue up top. So that's what they were going for.

814
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: And I mean that is a cool jacket.

815
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: It's cool because we like nostalgia for sure. The jack

816
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 3: jackets are great. Listen. I've got gift cards on the

817
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: NBA dot com, the store and I'm ready. I'm ready.

818
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: It's usually going to go. It's usually going to go

819
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: towards anything raptors. And when you brought up the jacket,

820
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: I think I need a jacket every single year. So

821
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: I got the gift cards ready, they're ready to go.

822
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: I'm collecting them slowly.

823
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: How you getting those gift cards for holidays?

824
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 3: People get to nah, I give blood and then that's

825
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: for you. Yeah, they give you an NBA dot Com

826
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: back No, no, no, no, I'm a platelet man. They

827
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: give you a gift card. Usually it's from this third

828
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: party website or it's from Amazon or something, and you

829
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: can use it elsewhere. So it's taking it a long time.

830
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: I got to give a lot of blood to get

831
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: an actual, to get an actual. But I do like

832
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: how the jerseys are. There's kind of different than the

833
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: last few years where they've kind of just they see

834
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: the pin stripes and those are okay, but they kind

835
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 3: of just go to this new look.

836
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: I think overall they've done a really good job here.

837
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: I went with the Magic's new look is clean. It

838
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: is clean, very clean.

839
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: I like it.

840
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: Now there is some online backlash to the NBA logos

841
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: all starting to look the same, because again we showed

842
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: you the new Magic logo and JD, you've got this

843
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: one here. They're all becoming that circular you know, your

844
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: team name at the top and then all you know,

845
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: you're obviously your moniker along the bottom, and you got

846
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: a basketball, and like we're showing you here the Magic,

847
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: the Raptors, the Wolves, the Nets, the Sixers, like there

848
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: are other ones. Yeah, and I saw people get getting

849
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: pised at this, like god damn, they all look the same.

850
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure that this is like the NBA

851
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: wanted this. I remember, like they want them all to

852
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: sort of like take this forma at least their primary

853
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: logo because then you have secondary logos and all that.

854
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: But this is like a mandated NBA thing. I think

855
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: to like, hey, you got to give us this type

856
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 2: of version.

857
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: I'm okay with it. I'm okay with the size or

858
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: the whole scheme, but the font is a little I

859
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: don't love the Orlando Magic specifically the fun.

860
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: I mean it looks damn similar to that Minnesota timber

861
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: Wolves fun. I'll tell you that.

862
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it does.

863
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: I'm happy with this, Okay, J Do you likes it? Yeah?

864
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: Just the shape of it. I like all of them

865
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: being the same, the same. Yeah, just for pick them,

866
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, to have on the lower third and just

867
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: you know, a uniform you can say that.

868
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of the reason why

869
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: the NBA wanted that. Yeah, because you have some of

870
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: these other you know, big, longer type logos and they

871
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: sort of like make things a little maybe messy for

872
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: graphics or whatever, websites and stuff like that. Yeah, but

873
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: that's why they want that uniformity right away. I think

874
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: overall they did a really good job here.

875
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: I think so.

876
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: And I did see Trey shared in our slack Jeff

877
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: Hamilton made a jacket for them. Now that that cost

878
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,479
Speaker 2: you a lot of blood, you'd have not a single

879
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: drop left in your mind.

880
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like a four hundred at least.

881
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: That's an organ Yeah, exactly, exactly, all right, next one here.

882
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: Last month, NBA fans learned that Buck superstar Nistompo was

883
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: reportedly open minded about a trade several teams seen as

884
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: potential suitors. The Rocket's name, We're coming up, the Spurs,

885
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: the Nets, other teams. But in the past few days

886
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: a new team is gaining some momentum. The Toronto Raptors.

887
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: According to the Toronto Star reporter Doug Smith, our guy Doug,

888
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: there is mutual interest between Giannis and the Raptors, and

889
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: then ESPN's Brian Windhorse also separately reported that the Raptors

890
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: are looking for a big fish in the trade market.

891
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: So people are putting these all together and saying, hey,

892
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: is this is a possibility, So task phill in the blank.

893
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: These recent Yannis Raptors trade rumors are.

894
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: Tasty. I think from Ni's perspective, I'm not one hundred

895
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: percent sould that he's buying into leaving Milwaukee. He's a

896
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: very loyal guy. He's a very humble guy. He talked

897
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: about John Halburton running at him and he quoted his dad,

898
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: or he talked about his late dad, Charles and how

899
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: Charles was such a humble guy. And I kind of

900
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: see that in Yanest. I don't know if he's going

901
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: to leave and demand leaving whatever.

902
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: Happened with that. By the way, Like we heard that

903
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: they were having these meetings right between the Bucks organization

904
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: and Honest and John Camps yea, And it's like I

905
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: assume they've had them, but it's been pretty quiet since.

906
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't heard that it actually happened. So I

907
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 3: say they're tasty because I do think there's a tiny

908
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: bit there is something to be said about Giannis talking

909
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 3: to John Horst potentially and realizing this next season, specifically

910
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: the next season is going to be nothing for the

911
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: Milwaukee Bucks. Obviously, Yannis is on that team, and they

912
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: can be a good team.

913
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: Win easily forty five wins with him on your team.

914
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: But even in a weaker Eastern Conference with a banged

915
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: up Tatum, who I would consider easily a better team

916
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: than the Bucks, even right now, the Cavs, the Pacers,

917
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 3: the Magic, there's too many. This year would be a

918
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: write off for Jannis. The second best player is Kyle Kuzma,

919
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: and that's that's it. I mean, there's not much. They've

920
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 3: tried to a bunch of times. So maybe maybe Yannis

921
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: is saying it's time to move on. I think he'd

922
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 3: be totally comfortable moving to a big, big city and Toronto.

923
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: Is that I know. Jannis has hinted before it Donjic,

924
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 3: I should say the word hinted. But when Doncic went

925
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: to La he's talked about guys playing in bigger markets,

926
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 3: and that's cool. European players been playing big markets. Maybe

927
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: it's New York, maybe it's La Like Dotrich in Toronto

928
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: is a monster market. If he wants to go there

929
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: and still have his family in Milwaukee, it ain't far.

930
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: It's an hour and twenty minutes on a plane. I'm

931
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: sure part of the agreement would be we'll fly you

932
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 3: there ten times a year on our private flight.

933
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: You know.

934
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: I think that'll be part of it. I think he

935
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: just cares about his family and so that's part of it.

936
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: He's moving the family to the dam Force.

937
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. Yeah, if tasty, I got something tasty

938
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: for you. What we're gonna do is we're going to

939
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: bring the baklava cheesecake. That thing is so good I

940
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: found here in Atlanta. Oh yeah, it's a cheesecake, but

941
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: it's got baccava on the top of it. It's a

942
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: beautifully I'm honest to the hawks.

943
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: Is in the works here because.

944
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Of the.

945
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 3: Greek food not good.

946
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's non existent on the.

947
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: Dan Forth it would be freaking good. But we'll get

948
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: you at Baca and cheesecake. I'll have Danielle make sure

949
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: it happens. She's gonna make it happen.

950
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: For those that don't know the Greek area in Toronto.

951
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why it's a big market, and that's why

952
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: to me it's sort of compares to New York anyways.

953
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: Everybody is available on the Raptor's roster, everybody, everybody, including Scotty,

954
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: I would say, uh, and him him with brandon Ingram

955
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: it's a very good combination. I think there's there's something

956
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: to be had there because the Raptors have all their picks, Yeah,

957
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: those are available, and Milwaukee literally because of the way

958
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: they've dealt with their draft picks. They got to make it.

959
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 3: They got to make a trade for something like that

960
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: if they're rebuilding.

961
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 2: It's funny you went with the word tasty for filling

962
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: the blank, because I went with these recent Yannis Raptors

963
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: trade rumors are NBA crack cocaine, which some people might

964
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: find tasty, but be careful. And the reason I say

965
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: that is it's because it starts with the Raptors trying

966
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: to draft Yannis right back when he was a prospect

967
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. You've seen the videos that have obviously

968
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: been circulated. It's no secret that Yannis does have you know,

969
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: a relationship or deep ties I should say to like

970
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: massi Ugieri and you know, between their families and stuff

971
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 2: like that. So there's that part. Then you said the

972
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 2: Raptors Toronto, it's a big market. It's a big market

973
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: that generally acts like a small market because it's in

974
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: Canada within the NBA world, which is the world. Yeah,

975
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: it's obviously a huge city. It's a world class city,

976
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: but in the NBA landscape, they almost have to act

977
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: that way because hey, look at us, what about us?

978
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: Oh now you all love Pascal Siaka. We tried telling

979
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: you he was awesome, but you wouldn't.

980
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: Listen to it.

981
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: So there's that. And yeah, you have this rabid fan

982
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: base that like loves this type of move, like this

983
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: big game hunting, this looking for a big fish to

984
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: quote win Horse. Obviously the Kawhi Leonard drama that sort

985
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: of came out of nowhere. Remember Shoeo Tani, Remember when he.

986
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: Was going to the Blue Jays like they just gotated.

987
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: But what would Toronto have to include to make this

988
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: a realistic move. It's gonna have to be one of

989
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: their bigger contracts, if not two of them, Like you said,

990
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: if everybody's available. I guess it could be Scottie Barnes.

991
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: I would think Messiah that's the one guy he wants

992
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: to keep and then maybe have beside Giannis. But it's

993
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: either Ingram in his contract, RJ. Barrett and his twenty

994
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: seven million whatever he makes quickly obviously makes a ton

995
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: of money. It's got to be one two of these

996
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: guys for salary matching purposes. Then it's I guess some

997
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: of their younger assets right to entice Milwaukee. Like if

998
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: they're trading honest, they're going to be like fielding calls,

999
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: like they're not gonna do the whole Luca thing where

1000
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: it's like we're only sending him to La So Grady

1001
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: Dick Abaji, Jacoby Walter, Like, it's got to be some

1002
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: of their young guys. And then you're right. They have

1003
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: all their draft capital, they have the number nine pick

1004
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: in this year's draft, they have all their future first

1005
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: round pick. So how many would it take? But you,

1006
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: as a Raptors fan, would you basically trade the farm

1007
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: for your honest at he's only thirty, you know, he's

1008
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: not at the end of his career here? Would you

1009
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: do that?

1010
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: Though?

1011
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: Like, would you basically trade I mean, because then you're

1012
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: just like looking at like, who's the honest playing with

1013
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: at this point.

1014
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a question, that's a question. But yeah, but

1015
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: before we detail every single asset, every line item that

1016
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: goes for you, honest, the answer is yes, I would

1017
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah. He is still in his prime and

1018
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: he still has several years left, and right now things

1019
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: ain't working with what's going on. Obviously, health is a

1020
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: huge part of it. I'm we're still waiting for the

1021
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: day that quickly M Barns and now Ingram and r J.

1022
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: Barrett play together. Still waiting, Oh will we ever see it? Yeah?

1023
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, because maybe it's not even you, honest,

1024
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: Maybe the other fish is big out there that they

1025
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: don't get honest and right somebody else.

1026
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a little Durant rumors out there. I

1027
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: mean they're not real rumors, but there's rumors about Durant moving,

1028
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 3: that's for sure. Yeah, and so it's.

1029
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: Gonna cost a lot less to get Kevin Durant exactly.

1030
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my answer is yes, I do. Yeah. Of

1031
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: course you kind of think that Barnes would even be

1032
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: better playing with Giannisthetic Kupo because The worry about Barnes

1033
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: and Jannis is that Barnes, as good as he's been,

1034
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: he needs to space the floor a little bit more

1035
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: to give Yanny some some space out there. He isn't

1036
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: a great three point shooter. He's not the most reliable guy.

1037
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: So that's why I think Ingram.

1038
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 2: So you think the fit's almost better, like at least

1039
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: on paper, with Ingram than with Scott.

1040
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I also we're watching here Scotty

1041
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: here in four years. But he's been very good. He

1042
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: hasn't taken the super duper star step that we've all

1043
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: been waiting for. He's been very good, very good. But

1044
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: you know, you gotta do what you gotta do. And yes,

1045
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: that to Goobo is a special, special guy. Now, Yeah,

1046
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder how much it takes. And that's

1047
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: a huge question. Obviously. I wonder who's going to be

1048
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: playing with That's a great question.

1049
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: Okay, there it is us addressing the gi honest raptors

1050
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 2: trade numbers that definitely will not happen.

1051
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 3: No, no, but but I do. I think it starts

1052
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: with Jannis Goobo the person, and whether or not he

1053
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: wants to lead, whether he wants the trade. Yeah, And

1054
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what these meetings have been like with

1055
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: John Horsset, but this team's gonna stink next year. They

1056
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: and I say, I say one year, they could stink

1057
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: the next year. And then Giannis is older. He's frigging now,

1058
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: he's twelve years into his career. I'd like to think

1059
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 3: he's going to be around for a good five years.

1060
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: But maybe he's wondering too. Yeah, I mean, he has

1061
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: been banged up in the last few playoffs. Not he

1062
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: hasn't missed. You didn't miss any minutes any games in

1063
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: these playoffs. But you know, it adds up, so maybe

1064
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 3: he's one. Like they don't have draft picks, Milache Bucks

1065
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: don't have draft picks. They don't have a healthy Damian Lillard.

1066
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: It didn't work with Damian Lillard. Even if he does

1067
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: come back, where where are they gonna be? They're gonna

1068
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 3: be super bad. And I don't know if John Horse

1069
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 3: can even sell Yannis on it anymore exactly.

1070
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: I mean, what's what are you selling them on? I

1071
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: mean I can't, like, I don't even know what your

1072
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: pitch is, except like, hey man, think of the greatest

1073
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: players of all time. Your your Dirk's and your Kobe's

1074
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: one franchise, you could do that, We.

1075
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: Want you to do that. Okay, he's a loyal guy.

1076
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: But then the flip side of that is Giannis is

1077
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: like on record saying I don't want just one title.

1078
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: So like I guess then the Bucks are saying, hey, man,

1079
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna be bad for a year or two, but

1080
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: we can rebuild, we can move, make these moves, and

1081
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: like when you're thirty three thirty four, we're gonna be

1082
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: right back in the hunt for a championship. Like again,

1083
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm like just putting myself into John horses shoes of

1084
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: like what he's trying.

1085
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: To tell them.

1086
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it feels like, ah, we'll see,

1087
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: we'll see what Yanna says. But they're gonna have like

1088
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: every team calling them offering like their best package, and

1089
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't think the Raptors do have the best package.

1090
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: If if Jannie is and it's like all right, call us,

1091
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: what do you got? Yeah, I don't think it's brutal

1092
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: like all these draft picks and obviously Penn til you

1093
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: feel about Scottie Barnes, like that's pretty good. I mean

1094
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: he's under obviously now a huge contract.

1095
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: He's the best player. Yeah, yeah, right right, you know

1096
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: there was no disrespect to Brandon Ingram but yeah, and

1097
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 3: then then from the Milwaukee Buck side, maybe they can

1098
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: sell them and say, well, Damian Lillard can be traded.

1099
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: If that's a possibility, I don't know. But it is

1100
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 3: one year guaranteed plus a player option, so it's really

1101
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: two years of Dame at a monster salary. But maybe

1102
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: there is a team that is willing to just essentially

1103
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: eat it, like we're talking about at the bottom of

1104
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 3: the NBA that's essentially willing to eat it because we

1105
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: don't know if Damian Lillard is going to be Damian

1106
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 3: Lillard anymore and just wants to be bad. Essentially, I would.

1107
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Say, we'll see, We'll wait to find out what Yanna says.

1108
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: But raptors mutual interest from our guy Dougie. All right,

1109
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: Final one here. The bookies have dropped a plethora of

1110
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 2: NBA Finals prop bets, including stats, records, technicals, had but

1111
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: you can basically bet on anything. So I want you

1112
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: task to fill in the blank. Your favorite NBA Finals

1113
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: bet that you've seen is what.

1114
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. Specifically, Game one. I saw Pascal Siakam

1115
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: on bet MGM. His line is nineteen and a half

1116
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: points over under Oh okay, yeah take.

1117
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: The oh you like over nineteen and a half points

1118
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: Sakham game.

1119
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: One, Yeah, and against the Thunder, you can question, why

1120
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: would you do that? I do think that they will

1121
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: get the ball out of Haliburton's hands. They're gonna do

1122
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 3: a good job on Haliburton, whether it's Monster Loudort or

1123
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, the smaller caseon Wallace and Alex Caruso. And

1124
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: obviously the Pacers are just so good at at shipping

1125
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 3: the ball around. Everybody's gonna get a chance. But as

1126
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 3: they feel out this Thunder defense and figure it out,

1127
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: it always kind of comes back to Pascal, And so

1128
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: I think Pascal will get enough shot attempts. They're gonna

1129
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: try and push it.

1130
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I don't know, can't wait to see.

1131
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: Are those fast break opportunities there for Siakam. He's fast

1132
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: as hell, but obviously Thunder a great a getting back.

1133
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's it just seems a little low.

1134
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so you think we've never got him scoring.

1135
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: He could have a monster game, He could have a

1136
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: monster game in this series. Seems low. It does seem low?

1137
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: Does seem low? Okay? I like that one. I went

1138
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: with Jillen Williams highest point total in any game. I'm

1139
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: going over twenty nine and a half, which is pretty high. Yeah, okay,

1140
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: but any game in the finals he has to hit

1141
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: that thirty plus points. He had two games of thirty

1142
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: plus points in this postseason already. He had thirty two

1143
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: in that Game three overtime loss to the Nuggets, and

1144
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: then he had thirty four in the huge Game four

1145
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: win against the Wolves in the Western Conference finals where

1146
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: he was special in that game. That was that close

1147
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: game that they won by two. So I like him

1148
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: at least once getting this, I've already said I think

1149
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: he's going to be like early front runner for finals

1150
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: MVP in how he's going to perform early on if

1151
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: they try and reduce Shay a little bit on the

1152
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: other side. So I'll go with one game he scores

1153
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 2: thirty plus points. Only scored thirty plus points. How many

1154
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 2: times do you think you did in the regular season?

1155
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: Jdubb guess eight? Very close? Seven. I thought that was

1156
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: pretty low. He only scored over forty one forty one points. Yeah,

1157
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: that is well, But I think once he'll do it

1158
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: here as I think he's going to be pretty important

1159
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 2: to their chances to win a title here and maybe

1160
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: obviously in some blowouts and stuff like that. So give

1161
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: me j dubb over twenty nine a half.

1162
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, they get the ball out of Shay's hands

1163
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: at times. I know they want to kind of stay

1164
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: at home. Yeah, and let Shae and let Shay go off.

1165
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: Like every single player they've played so far. Yeah, I

1166
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: mean they've said, hey, Bronson, you do it, and every

1167
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 3: single series ye Annison in series number one. I almost

1168
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: forget who they play in series two. I'm wondering you're

1169
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: talking about the Pacers. Yeah, Cavaliers, Mitch yea. They said,

1170
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 3: Donnan Mitchell have a fifty burger, I mean Yannis erv

1171
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: excuse me, Donald Mitchell have forty eight in Game two

1172
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 3: and they still freaking lost. Still a weird, weird situation

1173
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: there for Kenny Atkinson, who's going to be fired because

1174
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 3: they didn't win Game two. They should have anyway, that's

1175
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: an interesting one. Jalen Williams, who is bounced back because

1176
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: he had a terrible what Game six against Denver and

1177
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: then Game seven he performed and that's when the thunder,

1178
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: we're alive when they won that thing, So it's like good,

1179
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: but only they've only done it twice. Excuse me, he's

1180
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: only done it twice and one was an overtime and

1181
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: I don't know how many scored in that overtime, but.

1182
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think he did score. This

1183
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: is a random one you can bet on. Will the

1184
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: broadcast show a picture of Jim Carrey slash Rick Carlisle

1185
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: side by side? Yes or no? Plus three hundred for yes,

1186
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: minus five hundred for no. So you know, the bookies

1187
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: are saying it's unlikely that ESPN slash ABC will show us.

1188
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: I guess ABC will show us a picture of Jim

1189
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: Carrey and Rick Carlyle side by side. It's I mean,

1190
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: I don't know they should, but will they probably not?

1191
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: If it was T and T, I feel like, I

1192
00:57:59,600 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: like my chain.

1193
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: Are they done with that? They've done it before. Well, yeah,

1194
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: it's not new, it's not new.

1195
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this comparison, but but you gotta remember that you

1196
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: got a bunch of casuals turning into the finals. They don't.

1197
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: They're like, who the hell is this guy? Is that

1198
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey coaching the Pacers They're like, no, no, no, look,

1199
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: he just looks like him.

1200
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: There's Jim too old. Now I love Jim, I love Jim,

1201
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: but is he too old to bring into the NBA.

1202
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: Oh so Jim Carrey, Well, I mean I know, I

1203
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: mean obviously I'm old, so I know him, and he's

1204
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 3: a legend and he's the best. And I basically embody

1205
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: myself because of Jim Carrey. But you know, maybe maybe

1206
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 3: maybe they just decided to go a little bit young.

1207
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: Uh, maybe it'll be nice like instead of smoking when

1208
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: Rick does his spit spit and then that will get

1209
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: us to the Jim carry photo. Just a free idea

1210
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: for you. ABC.

1211
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because we just saw somebody that looked

1212
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: like they were in the Mask in the airport, the

1213
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: Mask old movie.

1214
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: Oh we saw a woman dressed in a full yellow outfit, yeah,

1215
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: with a hat, with the hat, yeah, And we made

1216
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: some definitely smoking.

1217
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: I could have sworn I was watching an NBA game.

1218
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 3: I thought Jim Carrey looked like somebody. It's not coming

1219
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: to me right now. Recently, it's like the last week

1220
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: I was like, well it is that Jim Carrey wasn't

1221
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: Ri Carlo And maybe Ricarlo doesn't look like enough like

1222
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey anymore. I think he's older. I think Rick

1223
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: is starting to be an older man.

1224
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah they both are. Yeah, yeah, they're both getting old. Yeah,

1225
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 2: at the exact same rate. Yeah, we'll see. I would

1226
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: take the note and I'm not saying yes, I'm just

1227
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: saying that was a funny one there. You can literally

1228
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: bet on everything.

1229
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's so many lines. I mean, I went

1230
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: with the bed MGM because it's the athletic has the

1231
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: relationship with bet MGM. But there's so many fun ones

1232
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 3: that we've got to get into tomorrow.

1233
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Yeah, we'll getting ready for game one

1234
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: here from the Class Factory, task myself, jd TK, and

1235
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: esh n OKC. We might hear from them. They plan

1236
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: on having an immediate reaction podcast after Game one from

1237
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City too, so that'll be something to keep your

1238
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: eye on. So a couple of podcasts coming your way,

1239
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: probably tomorrow. I'll love to drop podcasts on Friday. A

1240
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: whole lot of good stuff here from the now Dunks Boys.

1241
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,560
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01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: Five star ratings and reviews till then. Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 1: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

1244
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: love you guys awesome.

1245
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember our guys, Esh and

1246
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: Trey are safe. Even after the warnings for the tornadoes.

1247
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: I always wonder what team is named that tornadoes? Is

1248
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 3: there anyone? Well, I guess, okay, see Tornado's probably not

1249
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 3: it's not not not cool, no, not cool.

1250
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: I guess I can't think of one. But there's got

1251
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: It feels like it's like a.

1252
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: Minor league baseball team or something exactly.

1253
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cyclones, there's definitely Cyclones.

1254
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: Texas Tornado. Wasn't that a wrestler, Yeah, but.

1255
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, like a bald Yeah, yeah, I

1256
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: think you're right. Yeah. Was he one of the yeah?

1257
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: Carry von eric Yeah, good call, that's exactly what it's called.

1258
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: He's the Von Erics. Did you watch an Iron Claw

1259
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: You want a good cry? Watch that baled my eyes

1260
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 2: out at the end of that movie. But it's about

1261
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: the family, the wrestling family. Er. Yeah, it's like the

1262
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: most insane story. It's the story was so insane, like

1263
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: they have all these brothers are not giving anything away

1264
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: because it's real. A lot of them passed away like

1265
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 2: like obviously unfortunate circumstances.

1266
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: But like including Texasnado. Yes, yes she did.

1267
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: But they took out a brother dying in the movie

1268
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: because they were like, there's too many brothers dying and

1269
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: no one will believe this, like not not no one

1270
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: will believe this. But it's like this is almost like

1271
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: too crazy. So let's just like they removed a brother

1272
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: entirely that also died from the story. Yeah, it's nuts.

1273
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Speaker 3: Whoa, it's nuts.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, Von erics Man. But anyway, okay, thanks, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Texas Tornado confirmed. All Right, we'll see you tomorrow. Embrace

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Speaker 2: the day people.

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Speaker 1: M