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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining me for session

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Speaker 2: four sixty five of the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We'll get right into our conversation after a word from

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Speaker 2: our sponsors. What does it look like to build a

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Speaker 2: creative career online without completely losing yourself in the process.

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Speaker 2: Today I'm joined by creator and beauty influencer Tony Bravo

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Speaker 2: for a conversation about creativity, visibility, rest and the involving

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Speaker 2: relationship many of us have with work in the age

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Speaker 2: of social media. Many of us first discovered Tony through

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Speaker 2: her beauty content and signature Blush Looks, but her platform

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Speaker 2: has continued to evolve into a beautifully curated lifestyle space

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Speaker 2: centered around curiosity, creativity, and intentional living. During our conversation,

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Speaker 2: Tony shares what it's been like navigating visibility online, how

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Speaker 2: she protects her mental health while working in such a

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Speaker 2: public facing industry, and why rest has become such an

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Speaker 2: important part of her creative process. We also discuss representation

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Speaker 2: being able to take up space online, and how Tony

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Speaker 2: has learned to trust herself creatively as her career continues

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Speaker 2: to grow. She also opens up about burnout boundaries with

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Speaker 2: social media, mindfulness practices, and the realities of building a

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Speaker 2: career where work and plate can sometimes feel impossible to separate.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us today, Tony.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so many of us were first introduced to you

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Speaker 1: as a beauty creator. But you have now started sharing

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Speaker 1: more about your home and lifestyle kinds of things. So

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Speaker 1: how would you describe the kind of content that you create.

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Speaker 3: You did a great job describing it. I think lifestyle

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Speaker 3: because it feels expansive of wherever in my life at

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Speaker 3: that moment, whatever I feel like sharing. So it's a

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Speaker 3: malleable kind of world that exists within lifestyle lifestyles. I

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Speaker 3: to have fun with it, and I'm glad that it shows.

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Speaker 3: I think it shows through the content.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a particular feeling you'd like

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Speaker 3: I feel like feeling wise. I like curiosity. Intrigue is

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Speaker 3: really fun, especially when it comes to like foods people

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Speaker 3: tried before. I think like a genuine curiosity is exciting,

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Speaker 3: and then also kind of just like a calm, like

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Speaker 3: a sureness. Because I do feel like all of my

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Speaker 3: it all makes sense, So I hope that that also

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and definitely when you think about like your home,

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Speaker 1: like the gorgeous pictures of your home feel very calm

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Speaker 3: That, thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we know that you have a history of

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. I mean I had been working

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all. I think there have been times

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Speaker 3: It's fun. I have so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, lots of other creators with large platforms have

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Speaker 3: The bag thing that I think people talk about but

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Speaker 3: But rest, rest and rest for sure whenever I can.

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Speaker 1: And what kinds of things have really helped you to support,

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Speaker 3: Delegation is very important, I think thankfully as I've started

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Speaker 4: And beginning it with work has been really helpful.

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Speaker 1: So now when you engage with social media, it almost

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, it's always so fun, and it's only gotten

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Speaker 3: Like consuming has always been fun and that will always

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Speaker 3: I think all of that is so instinctual. I think

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Speaker 3: there's so much of your life that you are sharing

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Speaker 3: And I think that balance has been really, really, really helpful,

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Speaker 3: But for me it's always been a gut situation where

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Speaker 3: So I kind of just follow that.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hm. So so much of your beauty content,

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Speaker 1: especially answers the question like does this work with my shade? Right? So,

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Speaker 1: how has your relationship and your ideas about like representation,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've learned so much. I think from

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Speaker 3: having representation in that space, I mean that was the

440
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Speaker 3: whole reason I even started making beauty contentless, because there

441
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Speaker 3: was a huge lack of seeing people who looked like

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Speaker 3: me try out products, and at that time I wasn't

443
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Speaker 3: even consuming short form. So when I started having to

444
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Speaker 3: consume short form again because I deleted all my short

445
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Speaker 3: form for like a year. I deleted TikTok Instagram, so

446
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: I wasn't like in that world. And then as soon

447
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Speaker 3: as I got that job, I was like, Okay, well,

448
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 3: now it's my job have my finger on the pulse

449
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Speaker 3: of what's going on. And I was realizing just how

450
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Speaker 3: little representation there was still, So then I just decided

451
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Speaker 3: to take up space and that's where that was born.

452
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Speaker 3: So it'll never be a burden. I think, if anything,

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Speaker 3: it was such an important genesis to who I became

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Speaker 3: on the Internet as an adult, because when I was younger,

455
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Speaker 3: it was very frivolous and fun, and I think when

456
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Speaker 3: the anchor is just you're having fun with it, it's

457
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: cute and it's fun, and it feels very frivolous. But

458
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Speaker 3: that was the beginning of something that felt like there

459
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 3: was an anchored reason as to why it was showing

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Speaker 3: up up outside of just make up and blush and beauty.

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Speaker 3: So I'm always grateful for it, and I think beauty,

462
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Speaker 3: no matter what I'm talking about, always becomes a part

463
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Speaker 3: of the conversation. I can be sitting somewhere and there's

464
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Speaker 3: a comment about blush or like I'm eating, and there's

465
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Speaker 3: a common my makeup. Beauty will always be a part

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Speaker 3: of the story. And I think meeting and having an

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Speaker 3: audience of people who look like me and who are

468
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Speaker 3: able to learn more about beauty through me is something

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Speaker 3: that I think will always be no matter what I

470
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Speaker 3: end up landing on next, what the next thing is,

471
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Speaker 3: will always.

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Speaker 4: Be a part of the story.

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Speaker 3: So it's all very exciting, and I feel very, very

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Speaker 3: lucky and grateful to have so many people that trust

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Speaker 3: me in that journey, because it's a long one. It's

476
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Speaker 3: a long journey, so I feel very grateful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you bring that up, and I

478
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Speaker 1: want to talk with you about you know, you talked

479
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Speaker 1: about like your degree being in film, and I think

480
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Speaker 1: a lot of the creators that we are seeing now

481
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Speaker 1: kind of fill into content creation, right because this thing

482
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Speaker 1: that happened and it's stuck and then it's oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll roll with this, right. Whereas young people now you

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Speaker 1: talk to, you know, middle schoolers high like your career

485
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Speaker 1: aspirations are content creation, which I think is a very

486
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Speaker 1: different journey. What kinds of things would you say to

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Speaker 1: young people who are aspiring to be content creators.

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Speaker 3: My biggest advice would be to understand that you can

489
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Speaker 3: create your own path, and your path to success is

490
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Speaker 3: not going to like that person's or that person's, and

491
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Speaker 3: to really try to have your imprint be you and

492
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Speaker 3: your personality and less copying and pasting. You are so

493
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Speaker 3: much stronger on your own versus as a carbon copy.

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Speaker 4: Of someone else.

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Speaker 3: Also, God, it's really hard to even imagine being younger

496
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Speaker 3: and like having a phone to record with ad my

497
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Speaker 3: little flip camera that I had at my house, but

498
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Speaker 3: like I didn't have something I was carrying around with me,

499
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Speaker 3: being able to like see myself so often. So it's

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Speaker 3: really even hard to like imagine being young and like

501
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Speaker 3: looking at myself that often because it's weird as an adult,

502
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Speaker 3: so imagining myself younger is wild. I think remembering that

503
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Speaker 3: you are your coolest asset is always something that I

504
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Speaker 3: think will punch through the noise because it will become

505
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Speaker 3: even more saturated. I'm sure it's saturated now, but it

506
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: will be saturated. So I think the biggest piece of

507
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Speaker 3: advice I would give is that you are like your

508
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Speaker 3: own secret sauce, and that's all you need. That's all

509
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Speaker 3: you need.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel like your relationship to success has

511
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Speaker 1: evolved throughout your career and maybe even before this version

512
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Speaker 1: of your career started, Like how did success look then

513
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Speaker 1: versus how it looks now?

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Speaker 3: It's interesting. I think when you're younger and you think

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Speaker 3: about success, you think of it as like these big

516
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Speaker 3: major milestones. And I have had so many big moments

517
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Speaker 3: and milestones. But I think for me now, it's been

518
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Speaker 3: important for me to recognize those big moments, the small

519
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: moments just as big as those big moments. So like

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Speaker 3: the small winds, the littler things that aren't as big

521
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Speaker 3: and shiny and as postable, having those mean just as much,

522
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Speaker 3: if not more than the bigger, shiny post war I

523
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Speaker 3: think in an age of social media, it's really you

524
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Speaker 3: see in an announcement, a post, you have a launch

525
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Speaker 3: day for you whatever, and it goes and kind of

526
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Speaker 3: just like move on to the next thing. And so

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Speaker 3: I feel like it feels very like fleeting at times.

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Speaker 3: So for me, in grounding myself in those moments success feels,

529
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Speaker 3: I try to have my success feel more inwards and outwards,

530
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Speaker 3: just to really be able to stit with it, because

531
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Speaker 3: we're all so busy, it's so easy to just like

532
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Speaker 3: to underappreciate your accomplishment. So for me, I think recognizing

533
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Speaker 3: and appreciating the smaller successes the same way I do

534
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Speaker 3: the bigger, like flashier ones has allowed success to not

535
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Speaker 3: only feel familiar but also deserved a lot more. I

536
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: think when I'm only recognizing the bigger things, that everyone's

537
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Speaker 3: giving you these like comments and all these affirmations for

538
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: when it doesn't give you that, you feel like, okay,

539
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: well is it really big deal? So I think for me,

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Speaker 3: recognizing the small moments the same way has allowed me

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Speaker 3: to really sit in it more and just appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: because I think everything moves so fast that it can

543
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Speaker 3: be sometimes really hard to like sit and be where

544
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Speaker 3: you are and recognize, like how cool everything has been

545
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: so a mixture of all of those things, just to

546
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Speaker 3: feel all of it really rooted and feeling rounded and

547
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: success not feeling like this thing that I just am

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Speaker 3: lucky enough to catch, but is something that I'm actively

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Speaker 3: living in every day. I have these little successes all

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Speaker 3: the time, and that's like a result of my work ethic.

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Speaker 3: It's not by luck or by chance. So I think

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Speaker 3: remembering that is really really really.

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Speaker 1: Helpful, and what kinds of things allow you to stay

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Speaker 1: grounded in that way?

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Speaker 3: A lot of mindfulness exercises. Surprisingly, I think there is

556
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: this idea a lot of people think that I'm working often.

557
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: I'm working often, but just as much as I'm working,

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Speaker 3: I do really, really really try and practice like active

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Speaker 3: mindfulness and being where I'm at. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: future thinking in this job. There's a lot of in

561
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Speaker 3: most jobs. There's a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Future thinking all the time.

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Speaker 3: And I think for me on a day to day basis,

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Speaker 3: it looks like having maybe like putting aside an hour

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Speaker 3: or thirty forty.

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Speaker 4: Five minutes if I can.

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Speaker 3: That's just like silent and very very very understimulating, and

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Speaker 3: it's just a mindfulness when I'm sitting outside listening to

569
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Speaker 3: my environment, I'm sitting in the sun, I'm reading a book,

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Speaker 3: very just chill. It really is just like a very

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Speaker 3: understimulating moment. I think with screens, with my phone and

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Speaker 3: with recording, it gets a lot very quickly. So even

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Speaker 3: practicing that every single day, whether it's thirty minutes or

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Speaker 3: an hour of me just like no screens. I'm crocheting,

575
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: I'm knitting, I'm reading is very mindful, and that feels

576
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Speaker 3: just as like.

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Speaker 4: Just as important, if not more important.

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Speaker 3: Than getting my emails in sitting and finishing up this edit,

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Speaker 3: so little bits of that, and then also just spending

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Speaker 3: time with people that aren't in my space, like my

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Speaker 3: friends and my family and my loved ones that aren't

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Speaker 3: in the same world that I'm in, is really grounding.

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Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break, You've talked about

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Speaker 1: the importance no matter what kind of content you create,

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Speaker 1: that you basically are the secret sauce. What kinds of

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Speaker 1: things do you do to continue to meet future versions

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Speaker 1: of yourself.

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Speaker 3: I think for me it's one of those things where

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Speaker 3: everyone's like, be yourself, be yourself, be yourself online and

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Speaker 3: just in real life, and that's so true. But I

591
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Speaker 3: think one thing I've learned is that being yourself is

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Speaker 3: it's not a singular act. You have to allow yourself

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Speaker 3: to be yourself every single day and whatever version that

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Speaker 3: shows up in And I think social media is really

595
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Speaker 3: interesting because I'm able to see all the different versions

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Speaker 3: of myself and like real time almost which is wild.

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Speaker 3: I think for me, inviting a change and not being

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Speaker 3: afraid to try something different is really really important because

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Speaker 3: every single time I've added something to my content, it's

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Speaker 3: come out of curiosity. And usually if I follow that

601
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Speaker 3: curiosity in regards to whatever creatively I'm trying to create,

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Speaker 3: it does lead to a version of myself that is

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Speaker 3: either a little bit more creative in this way or

604
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Speaker 3: creative in that way, and that's a newer version of myself.

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Speaker 3: So I think trusting the kind of curiosity that exists.

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Speaker 4: Within, Like people ask me all the time, how did

607
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Speaker 4: you look at this?

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Speaker 3: How did do that? And I'm like, I was just wondering,

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Speaker 3: and I decided to just follow it, and I was like,

610
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Speaker 3: I feel like, would this be cool if and not

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Speaker 3: shutting those questions down creatively or thinking that's not going

612
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Speaker 3: to be cool, Like if I don't think it's gonna

613
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Speaker 3: be cool, I'm not gonna do it.

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Speaker 4: But if I'm thinking it could be cool.

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Speaker 3: I've learned to just really trust the curiosity because usually

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Speaker 3: attached to my curiosity is some form of a creative

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Speaker 3: output that I'm going to really like and not other

618
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: people are going to really like. And I've learned that

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Speaker 3: every single time I trust that, I'm able to introduce

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Speaker 3: a new version of myself, not just the internet, but

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Speaker 3: to myself. So I think it's a trusting thing, which

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00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: is again a lot easier said than done, a lot

623
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Speaker 3: easier said than done. To just co sign on something

624
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: being cool because you think it's cool is a lot

625
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: easier said than done, for sure. But it's been fun

626
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Speaker 3: to learn how to lean into that more and more.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of trust somebody as somebody who started as

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Speaker 1: like a solo creator and now there's the whole team

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Speaker 1: that you have kind of supporting your work. What has

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Speaker 1: it been like to be able to add people to

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Speaker 1: the team that you are able to trust that maybe

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Speaker 1: are aligned with your creative vision. Like, what has building

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Speaker 1: your team been.

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Speaker 3: Like for you? I mean it's been beautiful, I think

635
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Speaker 3: being able. Again, there's no way to scale without delegating,

636
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Speaker 3: and you can't do everything on your own. There are

637
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: particular things that I will always do on my own

638
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: for my personal creative side, like editing, for instance, Like

639
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Speaker 3: that's something I love doing, so that's something I will

640
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: always kind of keep to myself. But there's so many

641
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: elements of the back end that I think needs to

642
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: be this like kind of smooth running machine for me

643
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: to be able to have my not just like my

644
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: career be optimized, but just like my mental sanity, like

645
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: I can't keep up with everything. So I didn't start

646
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Speaker 3: off with bringing everybody on all at once, And I

647
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: think that was nice to kind of have a gradual

648
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Speaker 3: add on and to see what this person does and

649
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: how this manager and this agent and this how everybody

650
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: works together. It's nice when it feels gradual. So that

651
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: was a really great kind of learning.

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Speaker 4: Process for me. But it was so helpful right off

653
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Speaker 4: the bat.

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Speaker 3: I mean as soon as I started doing this full time,

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Speaker 3: I started off with the manager, so already from the

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Speaker 3: very beginning, I was like having someone there to bounce

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Speaker 3: back and forth teach me what kind of like a

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Speaker 3: manager does and what having an agency.

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Speaker 4: Behind you is like.

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Speaker 3: And I was able to work so much fatter, and

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Speaker 3: I was able to get so much more done. And

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Speaker 3: I think as a creative, being able any time that

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Speaker 3: you're able.

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Speaker 4: To actually focus on being creative is the goal.

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Speaker 3: So gradually but intentionally as well, it's so helpful, Like

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be losing my mind right now without help,

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: So you've already mentioned kind of shade range and those

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Speaker 1: kinds of things being important in terms of when you

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Speaker 1: take on brand partners are there other things that you're

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Speaker 1: looking for to indicate alignment to you when you participate

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Speaker 1: in like partnership.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean creative is a huge part of it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like very particular about the energy, the vibe, the look.

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Speaker 3: I think there's so much in obviously the product being good,

676
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Speaker 3: but the story that they're telling and how they're telling it.

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Speaker 3: The brands that pique my interest in most are the

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Speaker 3: brands that are more of the trend setters and less

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Speaker 3: of the kind of copy and paste what everyone else

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Speaker 3: is doing. But are the brands where other brands are

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Speaker 3: looking towards creatively to be like they're cool. And I

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Speaker 3: like those brands because they again they kind of do

683
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Speaker 3: that thing where they think something is cool and they

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Speaker 3: follow it just like I do. So those are the

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Speaker 3: brands that like pique my interest. So the creative and

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Speaker 3: I think the work that goes into how creative they

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Speaker 3: are and how they're able to tell those stories is

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Speaker 3: something that's really important to me. So outside of just

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Speaker 3: the product being awesome, it's really cool to see brands.

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Speaker 4: Take up their own space.

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Speaker 3: So the creative is a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: Where do you feel like your curiosity is leading you next.

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Speaker 3: Great question. I feel like, right now, it's been so

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Speaker 3: nice being able to introduce so many different elements of

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Speaker 3: my interests now to my audience that now it feels endless.

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Speaker 3: I think right now, I am so interested in having

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Speaker 3: so much fun in like the home space and lifestyle space. Also,

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Speaker 3: long form has been really really fun getting back into that,

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Speaker 3: so longer form content has just felt like a breath

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Speaker 3: of fresh air. It takes a lot longer to obviously

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Speaker 3: edit into film, but I think the audiences that exist

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Speaker 3: on the other end of long form content, it's an audience.

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Speaker 4: That is very different than short form.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's a substack article, whether it's a YouTube video,

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Speaker 3: that audience is able to sit with you for like

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes at a time. It's a different kind of

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Speaker 3: relationship that feels not all too incredibly different than short form,

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Speaker 3: but is a great addition to the relationship that I

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Speaker 3: have with people on short form and a different kind.

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Speaker 3: So I think for me, home and long form and

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Speaker 3: lifestyle have been so fun and honestly, anyway I'm able

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Speaker 3: to express my creativity in front of the camera is

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Speaker 3: something that I always welcome and I'm always.

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Speaker 4: Curious about so a little bit of everything. I feel

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Speaker 4: like it's been fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll just have to stay tuned to see

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Speaker 1: you with new Yes.

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Speaker 3: You know, and I will too. I will too. At

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Speaker 3: this point, I literally wake up What am I leaning towards?

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Speaker 3: Which is so exciting and which is why I feel

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Speaker 3: like I'm in the perfect place. I feel like this

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Speaker 3: job I get to. I feel so grateful to be

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Speaker 3: able to wake up.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, what do I feel like filming today?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I feel like sharing today.

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Speaker 3: So I feel very very, very very very lucky.

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Speaker 1: So when everything else feels like a miss, what parts

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Speaker 1: of your beauty routine act as your anchor?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, my skincare routine all weighs my skincare routine, I

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Speaker 3: will say, I keep it very simple. I add in

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Speaker 3: new things every so often, but my skincare routine will

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Speaker 3: always make me feel grounded. There's nothing like taking off

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Speaker 3: the day you with your staple skin care routine, getting

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Speaker 3: into your pajama. So the skincare of it all will

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Speaker 3: always be like the best one of the best parts

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Speaker 3: of my beauty routine, for sure, got it.

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Speaker 1: So the team is saying, we are loving the look today.

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Speaker 1: I already commented about your blush. What was the routine today?

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Speaker 1: And what can you share about your current look?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, today it was every day look. I think now

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Speaker 3: that it's getting a little bit into you know, leaning

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Speaker 3: into summer a little bit more. It's very bronzy and glowy,

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00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: but like a grounded glowy, like a natural like radiance

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Speaker 3: and bronze. So I'm really into I've always been into bronze.

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Speaker 3: Bronze are a bronze look, but today we've laid into

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Speaker 3: like a cute, bronzie, glowy, radiant look today.

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Speaker 1: And how would you define good makeup for yourself?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, good makeup as in like the product or like

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: a look the look ooh honestly, anything that makes.

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Speaker 4: Me feel like myself.

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00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: There is nothing worse than putting on makeup or having

753
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: makeup put on you and you look in the mirror

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00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: You're like, who is that? And not in like a

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00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: good way. So for me, makeup that feels like me myself,

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00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: and I just like maybe a little more radiance, maybe

757
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: a little bit more color, but still feels like me

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00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: is like great makeup.

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Speaker 1: I got it. And I am also feeling a little

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Speaker 1: blinded by the moisture.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: On, so you gotta tell us what like beauty stuff?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I well, I just filmed earlier today.

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Speaker 3: I just filmed a bodyglow routine video because everyone's been

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Speaker 3: asking for an updated one.

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Speaker 4: But the thing about bodyglow is I've learned. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you can obviously throw in a.

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Speaker 3: Body oil and it'll like look fine, but the real

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Speaker 3: thing is you should be going before the body will

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Speaker 3: like you should already be going before then. And that

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Speaker 3: comes with exfoliation. I love a good scrub and a

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Speaker 3: terium has a gray one or a spray like a

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00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: glycolic acid spray for exfoliating and toning. And then I love,

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Speaker 3: love love.

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Speaker 4: A body butter.

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Speaker 3: I always have a body butter in.

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Speaker 4: They're a nice body butter.

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Speaker 3: And if I'm really wanting to like lean into maybe

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Speaker 3: more of a sensitive skin moment, whereades berrier butter.

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Speaker 4: I put that all over and it leaves the best glow.

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00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: And then I top it all off with an oil

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00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: of some kind, whether it's Loxeton supple skin oil or

783
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: like a vacation spfoil, and then that just lasts me

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Speaker 3: all day. I don't reapply unless I'm reapplying my SPF.

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Speaker 3: I'm not reapplying anything else. It just keeps the glow.

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Speaker 3: So really it all starts in the shower, like you

787
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: have to exfoliate. Make sure you're really like allowing your

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Speaker 3: skin to breathe. But the exfliation is truly key.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's step one. Yes, yeah, I got it. Now.

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Speaker 3: As you was.

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Speaker 1: Talking, I'm thinking, you know, there are so many cool

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Speaker 1: products to try. How do you kind of rain in

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Speaker 1: maybe your inner product junkie or do you just give

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Speaker 1: in to her and like I want to try all

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Speaker 1: the things I want to try.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I'm also what's funny about this job is at

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Speaker 3: my core, I am like not a maximalist with stuff.

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Speaker 3: I am someone where I'm like, I have one product

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Speaker 3: and this is my go too. Like I've always been

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00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 3: way my whole entire life. So with this job, it's

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00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: been really interesting because you get twelve of everything. So

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00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: for me, I haven't found a really healthy middle ground

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00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: where I have what I like and I'll maybe keep

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00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: one backup of it of a different product. Everything else

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00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: I give to my friends, so like on Sundays once

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00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: every month or every so often, I'll have a bunch

807
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: of people come over and just like it's like a

808
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: pr grab, everyone grabs things and then we donate another

809
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: like kind of portion of it, and so it's all

810
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: going to somebody that will utilize it and like it.

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Speaker 3: But I just am not interested in having twelve million things,

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Speaker 3: So that alone for me is enough to be like,

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Speaker 3: I don't like clutter. I don't love clutter. Okay, we

814
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Speaker 3: can't keep all of this, so I have to be

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Speaker 3: really particular, which is also great because with skincare, I

816
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Speaker 3: think if you're going to be particular with anything, you

817
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: should be particular with your skincare. So for me, I

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Speaker 3: know what I like and I keep it with that. Well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't sew with every so often, but having no

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Speaker 3: shortage of people in my life that will be more

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Speaker 3: than glad to take most of this stuff off of

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Speaker 3: my hands is a great balance for sure.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Well, thank you so much for sharing so

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Speaker 1: much with this. It's been so cool to hear more

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Speaker 1: about your journey. Please let us say where we can

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Speaker 1: stay connected with you.

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Speaker 3: Ye'ah on Instagram, I am at Tony Bravo and also

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Speaker 3: Tony Bravo on YouTube and my tech talk is bony travo,

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Speaker 3: so just though inverted, but uh, Tony bravo everywhere else perfect.

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Speaker 1: We'll be short to include that in our show notes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again, thank you, thank you so much.

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