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Speaker 1: So I wanted to continue to the conversation that we've

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Speaker 1: He's got one of the most impressive resumes out there.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about this conversation and leaning on

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Speaker 1: as a whole. Secretary Pompeyo, it's such an honor to

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Speaker 1: What lessons should we derive from this? Oh? I think

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