WEBVTT - CES 2025: The Best And Worst Tech Products Coming Soon

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to it could happen here, a podcast about it,

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<v Speaker 2>the Consumer Electronics Show, happening here to everyone, And of

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<v Speaker 2>course it is in fact happening to everyone, because over

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<v Speaker 2>the course of the day, all of our subjects here,

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<v Speaker 2>all of our experts here, have watched different kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>dudes explain the different kinds of jobs they want to

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<v Speaker 2>replace with a chatbot that was trained on Reddit. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go around a circle and introduce our guests today.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, we've got the great Ed Anguiso Junior. Ed,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for being here, Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got Garrison Davis, who's also great, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say it at the same time because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want Ed's compliment to feel like less. But you're contractually

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<v Speaker 2>obligated to not mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you boss.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to be here, as always, very natural, very natural.

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<v Speaker 2>Zi hi hi, hello, hello, oh hello, hello, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is your first cees as well, that's your first

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<v Speaker 2>time being a journalist. Also true. How do you how

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel doing the job that Alex Garland has

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<v Speaker 2>just reminded us in the movie Civil War is a

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally noble, perfect endeavor only practiced by heroes.

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<v Speaker 4>I love wearing a dress, shirt and tie and just

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<v Speaker 4>getting very drunk.

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<v Speaker 2>You were very surprised when I gave you your gun,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can't be a journalist without one. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I playing with it without the safety. Remember, And last,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly not least, In fact, may be better than

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<v Speaker 2>some people in the room. Again, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>say who. You can wonder that for yourself, feel David Roth.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks, I agree that I'm pretty good. How much better

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<v Speaker 5>I am than how many people in this room?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm not even really like something that not

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<v Speaker 2>like talking about. Yeah, exactly because we haven't gotten those

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<v Speaker 2>numbers back from Open AI.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it would be irresponsible to speculate at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got away for three. So what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do here? I think this is kind of our

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<v Speaker 2>roll up. We've spent our last day on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go around and I'll start first. You

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<v Speaker 2>guys have a second to get your thoughts together. What

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<v Speaker 2>comes to mind im media is like, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I had the most positive reaction to, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing that I had the most negative

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to. I think is a solid way for us

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<v Speaker 2>to start out, and I think my most negative reaction,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously was the Amy artificial child best Friend toy, which

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<v Speaker 2>was deeply upsetting and uncomfortable, and I hated both that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I could tell, from an industrial design standpoint, pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good design, Like it looked like something like, oh, Kitt'll

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<v Speaker 2>think that's cute, and from a this is our intent

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<v Speaker 2>for this product standpoint, it felt like a replacement for

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<v Speaker 2>the love of adults in the life of a small child,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought was like evil in a profound way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess the best thing that I saw. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not perfectly competent at this point to like analyze how

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<v Speaker 2>well it worked, but from the demo I saw, I

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<v Speaker 2>was very impressed with Naqi. Knakis basically reads facial micro

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<v Speaker 2>motions in order to let people control a computer, not exclusively,

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<v Speaker 2>but especially if they're quadriplegic or whatever. Like I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that was really interesting, and it's the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>because honestly, I might loop that in with There was

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<v Speaker 2>a AI assisted like Caine for people who were blind.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another device that led you to control a

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<v Speaker 2>computer through like facial movements in your mouth. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like a retainer. All the stuff that's like Oh, these

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<v Speaker 2>are like really, people care a lot about helping somebody

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<v Speaker 2>regain the ability to utilize technology to let them reconnect

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<v Speaker 2>to the world. That's like the opposite of replacing a

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<v Speaker 2>child's parents with a toy ed You're in the hot

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<v Speaker 2>seat next, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>The thing I loved the most was obviously the Global

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<v Speaker 6>Pavilion for connecting Web three businesses across cryptoching. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>DeFi fintech cb DC's which your central bank, digital currencies

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<v Speaker 6>and legal ADVARC. You know this in my heart flutter

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<v Speaker 6>because you know what, even when you think they're down,

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<v Speaker 6>Crypto finds a way to squirm into your life.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is the zombie of the tech world. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's dead and yet it's undead. It's constantly trying

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<v Speaker 3>to crawl back somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that it's dead makes it more dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>Now to exactly it's specifically a zombie. I will try

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<v Speaker 3>to figure out what's the vampire, but specifically Crypto is

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<v Speaker 3>the zombie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I first read the line that is not dead,

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<v Speaker 2>which can eternal lie and with strange eons, even death

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<v Speaker 2>may die.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, when I think of you know, twenty eight years

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<v Speaker 6>later trailer where they use that poem.

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<v Speaker 2>Three sex.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, like, I'm just guessing where the price of

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<v Speaker 6>bitcoin is gonna go. I think we're at the beginning

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<v Speaker 6>of a golden age, not for us, but for the grifters.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh God, next week, when are dear Golden boy gets

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<v Speaker 6>or Orange boy gets elected so I are inaugurated? Has

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<v Speaker 6>he already won the election?

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<v Speaker 2>Did well?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's that's that's debatable. I think there was some

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<v Speaker 3>very curious irregularities in multiple states right.

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<v Speaker 2>Straightforward from here to be encouraging the blue and on

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<v Speaker 2>people that know, now let him, let him have it,

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<v Speaker 2>have it. You're right, he wasn't shot at all. That

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<v Speaker 2>was all an AI trick. Yeah, that was they are

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen would blow your whole head off that way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>The thing I actually did like the most similar to you,

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<v Speaker 6>I really did like the assistive tech. I mean the

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<v Speaker 6>stuff that is for people who are disabled not able

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<v Speaker 6>body either experience things either cognitive decline or you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the neodegenerative things or paralyzed. Like, this is actual stuff

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<v Speaker 6>that we need a lot more investment in development and

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<v Speaker 6>I assume maybe the scaleut production of it and figure

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<v Speaker 6>out ways that it can be offered to people in

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<v Speaker 6>a variety or in a spectrum re use cases. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>I ain't the stuff that I did not like.

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<v Speaker 4>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I didn't really care for a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>the luxury surveillance stuff, you know, the fake cgms that

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<v Speaker 6>you know. I'll never forget this woman telling someone right

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<v Speaker 6>next to me it's a it was a medical device

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<v Speaker 6>that when I asked, she looks at my attag and goes, no,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not a medical.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a beautiful moment where it was this like

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a set of smart goggles, which there

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot of that had like night vision, but

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<v Speaker 2>also it had like threat assessments. So the specific thing

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<v Speaker 2>they bragged is like it can help a police officer

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<v Speaker 2>identify if somebody has a gun. Right, And this was

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<v Speaker 2>right after we had gone to an AI security camera

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<v Speaker 2>that I had flipped off with both hands and it

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<v Speaker 2>had identified as a man giving the thumbs up. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel great about it identifying the gun.

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<v Speaker 6>Luxury surveillance for health, luxury surveillance for air recognition. Also

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<v Speaker 6>like they had it in litter boxes and shit, don't

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<v Speaker 6>need that, really don't fucking need that. Why does the

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<v Speaker 6>letter box need to be connected? To the internet, and

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<v Speaker 6>why does he need a camera in it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know that does maybe think of a better world

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<v Speaker 2>where we have exactly as much money and focus on AI.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's all integrating it into cat focused products like

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<v Speaker 2>fifty dollars being poured into cattle.

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<v Speaker 5>Translate whatever your cat is saying into French perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>Your cat can make deals with Chinese and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we've hooked him up to venture capital. We have an

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<v Speaker 2>open line soft bank.

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<v Speaker 6>Siri, why you know that I would love this translation.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's help my cat make some deals. Let's help me

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<v Speaker 6>figure out why or how he learned to open my door.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, things like this, But what we get an

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<v Speaker 6>am bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see a guy a dressed as Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Jobs be like ladies and gentlemen. We have finally done it.

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<v Speaker 2>We have gotten across the concept of death to a cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Stand there mortality? Actually that like common ad where he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about AI. But he's like, we.

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<v Speaker 5>Taught proofs to a dog, got turtle back on what

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<v Speaker 5>a dog would think.

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<v Speaker 2>About It was just a dog sitting at a table

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<v Speaker 2>smoking a cigarettes. The future. Mm hmm, Garrison, you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Up best of ces. I think was definitely the VLC

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<v Speaker 3>media booth the park where they they had like they

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<v Speaker 3>had big big traffic cones on their head, wearing them

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<v Speaker 3>like wizard hats with with huge cloaks.

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<v Speaker 2>They were dressed a wizards. They were dressed as wizards.

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<v Speaker 3>And we walked up to them and they said.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's start VLC folks. If you if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know this, this was especially relevant to those of us

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<v Speaker 2>who pirated a lot. It's a media app that allows

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<v Speaker 2>you to basically play any kind of like any video,

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<v Speaker 2>idiophile yes, or audio file, and now it will automatically

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<v Speaker 2>give you subtitles to using local AI. That's not like

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<v Speaker 2>reaching to the cloud or anything to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Because putting some titles on pirated media can sometimes be

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<v Speaker 3>really hard. So they said, we have something that analyzes

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<v Speaker 3>the audio that's being spoken in whatever media you're watching,

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<v Speaker 3>and we will.

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<v Speaker 2>Put some titles up for you.

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<v Speaker 3>We walked up and we're like, so what do you

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<v Speaker 3>have here? Like, we are not selling anything, We have

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to sell.

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<v Speaker 2>You in this beautiful they're fringe. So it was in

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<v Speaker 2>this like yeah, yeah, wonderful accents. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>take the degree of like I don't give a fuck

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<v Speaker 2>about anything else of this stupid goddamn show that they

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<v Speaker 2>gave off. They exuded it.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're they're they're by far the coolest because of

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<v Speaker 3>something Robert you said to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked up and I was like, Velc's a very

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<v Speaker 2>popular app. They just crossed six billion downloads. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>using them for almost as long as you've been alive.

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<v Speaker 2>And I walked up and I was like, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>using your product for fifteen years in order to pirate media.

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<v Speaker 2>And they said, very nonchalantly, keep.

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<v Speaker 3>Going, keep it, keep going, keep doing that, keep doing that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm obsessed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>All sad about this too, because, like I, it's a

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<v Speaker 5>good app. I have also used it. I saw the

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<v Speaker 5>guy in the hat and I was like, Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 5>the VLC from you know, from on your desktop. And

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<v Speaker 5>then I was like, that's that's stupid. I don't need

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<v Speaker 5>to talk to the man. He's wearing a hat and

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<v Speaker 5>a cape. And I'm glad that you followed through. As

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<v Speaker 5>a journalist. Pushed aside your instinct to be like, do

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<v Speaker 5>not approach stranger in a cape.

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<v Speaker 2>Garrison does not have that Answerry no, No. At some

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<v Speaker 2>point the contrary I feel a magnetic attraction. This is

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<v Speaker 2>why I keep an air tag on them. Great way

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<v Speaker 2>to get abducted.

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<v Speaker 3>I think similarly, obviously, all of the AI stuff for kids,

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<v Speaker 3>all of like the AI slop is like obviously bad.

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<v Speaker 3>We've talked about that a lot already. The other thing

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<v Speaker 3>that's like kind of like the worst is so much

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<v Speaker 3>what you said ed like a level of surveillance tech.

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<v Speaker 3>I tried out multiple a systems that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>like detect and predict behavior based on facial expressions or gesture,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is really tricky. There was one at Eureka Park.

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<v Speaker 3>It's creating company that's powered I believe b Samsung with

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<v Speaker 3>money and also they've access to like their training data.

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<v Speaker 3>They're called Visomatic And specifically why this exists. It is

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<v Speaker 3>a camera that you can put on a put on

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<v Speaker 3>a computer. It will it will detect where your face

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<v Speaker 3>is pointing and where your eyes are paying attention to.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason why this exists is for online test taking.

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<v Speaker 3>It so people don't like look at their phone to

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<v Speaker 3>like to like cheat, So it at tracks where your

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<v Speaker 3>eyes are moving and if your eyes look down too much,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna flag it as someone's possibly cheating. So this

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<v Speaker 3>was obviously like introduced after the pandemic. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of online test taking. Samsung uses this tech

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<v Speaker 3>themselves for any kind of like online exams that they

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<v Speaker 3>as a company will put on, you know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>like for people, students, employees. But they also had like

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<v Speaker 3>other features where you could switch it. I assume it's

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<v Speaker 3>doing all the same work, it just is placed differently

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<v Speaker 3>on the monitor and instead of can you know, do

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<v Speaker 3>like object detection you know what you're wearing, and the

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<v Speaker 3>general like behavior analysis if you seem like you're behaving suspiciously,

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<v Speaker 3>which is something that we tried at the K booth,

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<v Speaker 3>which also a South Korean company, for their own like

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<v Speaker 3>like surveillance detection. But I asked Visomatic, like like what

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<v Speaker 3>kind of use cases do you see for this beyond

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<v Speaker 3>test taking? You know, like yeah, general surveillance, Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we want to learn how to like predict or like

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<v Speaker 3>analyze potentially suspicious human behavior. As we were walking by

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<v Speaker 3>the s K version, one quite funny thing is as

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<v Speaker 3>I walked by it first, it first identified me as

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<v Speaker 3>a blonde woman holding a cup. It then changed and

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<v Speaker 3>said blonde person, which I think is pretty it's pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Deep, very progressives, doing the opposite of a Facebook.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it could sense the pronouns. It's like hmm, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>maybe not maybe not a woman, maybe not a blonde person.

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<v Speaker 3>But but yes, that was you know, something that was

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<v Speaker 3>like quite well done. Specifically the visomatic stuff, like very functional.

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<v Speaker 3>It could tell when I was looking at the screen,

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<v Speaker 3>when I was looking at my phone. It could tell

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<v Speaker 3>from like various various angles, like what what I was holding,

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<v Speaker 3>what I was looking at, where my attention was being directed.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very well done. It was very accurate. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, possibly scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, speaking of possibly scary, the sponsors of this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>your noble service on our nation's roads. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that because I got pulled over the other week and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really trying to fight a case right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>would never do that anyway. Thanks guys, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it my turn? It is your turn?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I'm going to introduce our special white woman

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<v Speaker 3>correspondents to give us some exciting breaking news in the

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<v Speaker 3>white woman tech development world.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so the first one is positive sure contexts. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a transwoman.

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<v Speaker 7>And one of the boosts that was pretty interesting it

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<v Speaker 7>was this group were they French, Garrett, you remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I I you know they're they're They're European. They're called

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<v Speaker 3>el E ell E Health. It's ELI.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyways. This is a at home hormone tester, so it

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<v Speaker 4>is saliva base. It's like a little disposable package. Currently

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<v Speaker 4>they only advertise cortisol and progesterone, but they have plans

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<v Speaker 4>for estrade, isle and other hormones as well, testosterone as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry and yeah, So you swab your mouth in the

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<v Speaker 4>morning or evening and then you wait, what was it like,

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, and then you scan this little

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<v Speaker 4>like QR thing on the device and your phone calculates

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<v Speaker 4>what your levels are. And this has very interesting implications

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<v Speaker 4>for like the DIY hormone market or use case. I

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<v Speaker 4>started DIY and did my own like blood tests, but

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of like trans kids don't have access to that.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is a it's a good idea if it's

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<v Speaker 4>actually effective, Like we alln't have hands on yet, we

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<v Speaker 4>haven't tested it yet, but I would love to do

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<v Speaker 4>a comparison of like testing my own levels and then

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<v Speaker 4>trying this very interesting, very intriguing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we will certainly as soon as possible test this

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<v Speaker 3>compared to the regular like mail in blood tests, which

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<v Speaker 3>is like the current way to do it, but that

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<v Speaker 3>requires shipping your blood to a laboratory and that's maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not always the best or even like convenient. So being

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<v Speaker 3>able to test this just at home without shipping any

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<v Speaker 3>of your DNA to some random laboratory would be really

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<v Speaker 3>really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, There's no insurance involved. This is completely supposedly close source.

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<v Speaker 2>From what y'all were telling me earlier today, when you

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<v Speaker 2>explained this to me, it sounded kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>people making this have an understanding of the dangers inherit,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly to the trans community, and why they might want

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<v Speaker 2>to use this, and a focus on privacy. For that reason,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Press them on that because I don't know, I follow.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, wide variety of Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we tried to expect as much intel as possible

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<v Speaker 3>about kind of what their future plans are, but but

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<v Speaker 3>not specifically like in that level.

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<v Speaker 2>But privacy, like they seemed like they had of coursably good.

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<v Speaker 3>Understand of course, because it's because it's because it is

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<v Speaker 3>your own, like DNA and hormones, you know, like I,

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<v Speaker 3>I do not know this company is even thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>trans people if it is trans friendly, but it could

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<v Speaker 3>be used by trans people regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, much like a glock exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>The potential is great.

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<v Speaker 7>And then probably my least favorite goofs I have to

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<v Speaker 7>call out some other white women, my so cal boho

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<v Speaker 7>white women. It's evjects and has that spelled e V

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<v Speaker 7>E V J e C t okay?

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<v Speaker 4>And what this is?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh god, yes, this is a special plug for your

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<v Speaker 7>charging port of your EV. So the idea is a

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<v Speaker 7>nefarious party sees you and your fancy EV and approaches

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<v Speaker 7>you and you need a quick getaway their words, their words,

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<v Speaker 7>their words, by the way, like they see your fancy

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<v Speaker 7>car and your targets. So this device will like e jacks,

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<v Speaker 7>you can just drive away from the charge.

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<v Speaker 2>Leaving broken pieces of plastic both yes, the charger.

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<v Speaker 7>Like this is not single use. Yes, so yeah, all

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<v Speaker 7>those all those people targeting so caw white women.

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<v Speaker 5>This is finally someone is serving the community of people

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<v Speaker 5>that think that if you find a zip tie on

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<v Speaker 5>your car door handle, MS.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the first thing I said as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as we walked away, I was like, this product

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<v Speaker 3>wins the Crulson Media Award for the most white Woman's

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<v Speaker 3>specificly right, like, if you see a slice of cheese

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<v Speaker 3>on your windshield.

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<v Speaker 2>You're already targeting right away.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is that exact demographic of people who

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<v Speaker 3>think they're going to get trafficked in like your local

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<v Speaker 3>like olive garden parking lots.

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<v Speaker 8>Gang stalked Americans in the Tesla charging station in Brentwood, California,

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<v Speaker 8>where the average income is like in the eight figures.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, though, you're being very unfair to them.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so nice of them to put down the

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<v Speaker 2>phone where they were doom scrolling TikTok, to look at

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<v Speaker 2>all of the different reasons their kids are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be abductive. They're talking about this.

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<v Speaker 5>Product, you know, they're like, some finally someone's gonna do

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<v Speaker 5>something about it, create a disposable piece of plastic.

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<v Speaker 6>You notice that guy is always sitting down in the

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<v Speaker 6>gym and the coffee shop and the gas station. This

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<v Speaker 6>is how he doesn't get it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I could have upsold them, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>what if we put some explosives in this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really like keep off of the car, like a flashbacks

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<v Speaker 2>inside of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Called the police station and took a picture of him.

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<v Speaker 2>And someone scared. A lady driving a Vibe. That's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the electric cars.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's like a crocodile tail. As as it a jects,

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<v Speaker 3>it whips around, mobilizing anyone in the vicinity.

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<v Speaker 2>We're calling it the Iguana, and it does with enough

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<v Speaker 2>force to break a grown man's tyle. Yes, okay, David Roth.

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<v Speaker 5>So there's a lot of I guess I gathered less

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<v Speaker 5>than in years past that this was at one point

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<v Speaker 5>like basically a car show. There is not a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of transit stuff this time around. I didn't get to

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<v Speaker 5>see very much of it, but I did have. I

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<v Speaker 5>guess this is both my best and my worst experience,

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<v Speaker 5>the most powerful transit experience of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So I live in New York City.

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<v Speaker 5>I take the subway pretty much everywhere I go, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it has its ups and downs. For the

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<v Speaker 5>most part, it's good. It moves like twelve hundred people

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<v Speaker 5>through a tunnel of thirty odd miles an hour, and

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<v Speaker 5>for the most part, everybody, everybody else alone or you know,

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<v Speaker 5>watch its videos on their phone and stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 5>knew that there had to be a better way, and

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<v Speaker 5>at the Las Vegas Convention Center I got to experience it.

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<v Speaker 5>You're familiar Elon Musk, serial entrepreneur. Yeah, so he invented

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<v Speaker 5>something called the hyper loop, which is a car that

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<v Speaker 5>goes through a tunnel that's the exact same size as

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<v Speaker 5>the car at eleven miles an hour and it takes

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<v Speaker 5>there's someone has to drive it, and also someone has

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<v Speaker 5>to help you get into the car, but you can

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<v Speaker 5>fit up to three additional people into the car, so

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<v Speaker 5>that ratios everyone, I know, Yes, right, so yeah, you

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<v Speaker 5>got two people moving three people two hundred yards at

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<v Speaker 5>the speed of like a brisk walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, David, this kind of technology wasn't possible just a

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<v Speaker 2>few decades, right exactly. I mean this was the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Though there had been tunnels, they were mostly used by animals,

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<v Speaker 5>voles miners, yes, right, and thought yeah, and that was

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<v Speaker 5>mostly for pirates in at least one movie I saw recently, Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>but no one had thought about it as a transit

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<v Speaker 5>sort of thing. It was more of a like a

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<v Speaker 5>place where you would go if you needed to get

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<v Speaker 5>copper and of course, but in this case, so this

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<v Speaker 5>is like where it's good to have and this I

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<v Speaker 5>guess every ces is like this. This was my first

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<v Speaker 5>to be reminded that there are visionaries out there who

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<v Speaker 5>are like, what if you put car through hole? What

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<v Speaker 5>if instead of a thing that moves multiple people at once,

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<v Speaker 5>you had a thing that took exactly the same number

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<v Speaker 5>of people to move that number of people slightly more

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<v Speaker 5>than Yes, Yeah, so that was cool. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 5>just like fun to see like where this stuff is going.

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<v Speaker 5>And I really wonder if we're not going to start

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<v Speaker 5>seeing things like cars on the streets of American cities,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like it could be okay, David, I mean

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<v Speaker 5>most of the obviously this is something we'd going last

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<v Speaker 5>there was like three or four good things you all

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<v Speaker 5>said them. I thought the accessibility tech stuff was the

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<v Speaker 5>the stuff that made me feel good about what was

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<v Speaker 5>going on here, and there was a great deal of

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<v Speaker 5>stuff that made me feel like pretty bad about what

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<v Speaker 5>was going on. Yeah, you're up to and including like

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<v Speaker 5>the survey and stuff beyond the you know, like advanced

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<v Speaker 5>Samsung powered snitch tech so that nobody whatever your boss

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<v Speaker 5>can tell if you're really looking at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Zoom that you're on.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't really love that personally, But for me, the a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of the smart home stuff is a real drag,

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<v Speaker 5>like just in the sense that.

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<v Speaker 2>It clearly, first of all, beyond being.

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<v Speaker 5>Like sort of unnecessary, there's a level of just willingly

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<v Speaker 5>giving over your agency over the small moments that make

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<v Speaker 5>you know human life human life, and just being like

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<v Speaker 5>I would really love it if just like an artificial

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<v Speaker 5>intelligence could pick my pants out for the day. I'll

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<v Speaker 5>simply stand here waiting for that to happen. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 5>fucking grim actually, like didn't really care for it. I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like you gotta like, what are you using that

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<v Speaker 5>time to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What are you getting? What are you optimizing from

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<v Speaker 2>yourself by not having like pieces of like the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that a human being does, which is like pick your clothes, right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how you feel about this because you and

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<v Speaker 2>I have been going to cees from and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>a broadly similar number of years. Like I've never been

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<v Speaker 2>to CEO.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh really this is your no, I'm a fucking sports

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<v Speaker 5>writer man, like this is out here because Ed got

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<v Speaker 5>me a folding head.

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<v Speaker 2>I have like the dead eyedes veterans. Oh yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very tired. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the thing with like I think, as far

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<v Speaker 5>as I can tell, it seems like it's a loop

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<v Speaker 5>where you more or less like you start out it's

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:22.959
<v Speaker 5>too much, you get big I right away, and then

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.160
<v Speaker 5>you just sort of feel zombie fined. But then we

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 5>have talked to people over the last few days that

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.679
<v Speaker 5>are like, you know, I remember like fourteen ces as

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 5>ago that was pretty good, like and they're also tired

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 5>and also deranged by this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the first time someone showed me a tablet computer,

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh man, science has given me everything

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.439
<v Speaker 2>I want, like and I guess it's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember like when the last one was that

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:52.160
<v Speaker 2>you felt like even sort of that stirring Yeah, uh twenty,

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 2>like eleven or twelve when they did I got to

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 2>see inductive charging of a car for the first time,

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 2>and it like was so big. The Las Vegas Convention

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Center is like as the size of a city, and

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>seeing like the lights in that whole convention center dim

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 2>as they were doing it was very inefficient because yeah,

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>but that was just like that was like, oh wow,

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of like amazing that this is even possible,

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.920
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, not really sense, not really sense. That's why

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm really glad that there's lights in the hyper loop tunnel. Yeah,

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>otherwise it'd be unless something goes wrong. It started to seem

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of grim otherwise. Well, I the smart home stuff

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 2>is interesting because that that has been as long as

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<v Speaker 2>I've been going to these they've been trying to sell

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 2>people on smart homes, and I don't think I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>gotten a good idea of what a smart home is

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<v Speaker 2>that I think a person would want. I can think

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of two things a person would want right. One of

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.200
<v Speaker 2>them is, it would be nice if like I didn't

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.199
<v Speaker 2>have to think about playing music. I could just like

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>tell my house to play the music I wanted and

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 2>it would play the music and I could hear it

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 2>everywhere and I didn't have to fuss with a bunch

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>of shit. And the second is what a I'm coming

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.640
<v Speaker 2>home from vacation and my house is cold, it would

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>be nice to turn on the heat or like an

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>hour before I get home. And one of those things

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 2>you'd use every day. And one of those things is

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 2>not really a viable to base a business off of.

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 2>But like they keep trying to find new ways to

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 2>stick computers in my house. And I don't know, does

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>anyone else have anything they want out of a fucking

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 2>smart home? No?

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I like, it's not an accident that my

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:24.880
<v Speaker 5>apartment is basically going to be in the year two

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 5>thousand and five forever. Like, I mean, it's it's expensive

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:28.679
<v Speaker 5>to do all this stuff. This is the bit that

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 5>with so many of these demos, like just you start

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 5>to notice how incredibly grandiose the residences in which all

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.199
<v Speaker 5>of this stuff is being sort of like postulated as

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 5>being useful. Is it's like the like Lexus December to

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 5>Remember sales event type.

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Energy just a big fuck what lives do you live? Yeah?

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 5>This also we've talked about this on Ed's show that

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 5>like there's a lot of stuff here that feels like

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 5>like the first fifteen minutes of a George Romero movie,

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 5>like just getting you set for eventually there's going to

0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 5>be a lot of like, you know, disembowelings and hideous

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 5>shambling zombie. Yeah, and smart home not a bad horror

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:06.120
<v Speaker 5>movie concept. I don't think it's a great consumer concept.

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of great consumer concepts, the ads for this podcast,

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 2>all right, we're back and I want to close this

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 2>out by asking everybody a question, which is, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel about where tech is going?

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<v Speaker 6>I think we're going to hell.

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I think we are getting wrapped it up.

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 6>Very fast into the sweet abyss. I'm worried about the

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 6>fact that so much of the tech is oriented around surveillance,

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 6>around precursor forms of prepping, around very soft forms of

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 6>like perfection and optimization that rhyme with eugenics. I'm like,

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't like the direction that a lot of this

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 6>stuff is going. But also there I don't know what

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 6>to do about it because so much of it is

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 6>driven by private interest, right, It's like venture capitalists, well

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 6>capitalized individuals and firms that they're connected to decide what

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.880
<v Speaker 6>we get to get pushed and these corporations, you know.

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the nature of like you can you can really

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>tell that a lot of like the health products are

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>very optimized for like rich tech executives. Like there's a

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of sleep products that all relied on you being

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.679
<v Speaker 2>willing to like bathe yourself in speakers, playing benaural beats

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>while you slept, and like a different devices measure you're

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 2>like do an ECG And it's like I don't know.

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>My aunt's not going to do that.

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, you know, like I was, you know, I was.

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 6>I took with my partner about this. They have type

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.439
<v Speaker 6>one diabetes, they have a CGM, They use it constantly,

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 6>and they're We've been talking about and thinking about writing

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 6>about how there've been a crop of devices that are

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 6>like trying to push onto this idea that you need

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 6>to have close monitoring of it to preempt if you

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 6>are going to be prediabetic, or to optimize what you're

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 6>eating throughout the day, but that you know, when you

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 6>actually dig into what they're doing, it's like part of

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 6>this track of rhetoric where it's like whoa, you know,

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.479
<v Speaker 6>if your sugar slightly goes out, it's because you're being

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 6>a bad person. It's because you're eating the way that

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 6>you shouldn't. It's because there's a moral failing or character

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 6>failing there that this tech can help purify you of

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 6>and you can be your best self, which is really

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 6>just like not large.

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, And.

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 6>I feel that sort of rhetoric lurking behind a lot

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 6>of the biometric surveillance stuff, even though there are applications

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 6>that are not that.

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's kind of focused on like the sin,

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the health sins that you're committing. We spend a decent

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 2>amount of this week hanging out with a Catholic priest,

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and I do feel like several tech companies were the

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>ones trying to sell us indulgences.

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, yeah, all right, gare There's small improvements for

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 3>consumer tech, right this is a very consumer base where

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 3>it's supposed to be a consumer based tech show. There's

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 3>products like these shocks, headphones, which every year get a

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 3>little bit better. I try to conducting headphones last year,

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 3>which are very good.

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>They work underwater if you're deaf in an air music

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the way you used to be able to.

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very cool stuff. This year they have what they

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 3>called air conductive. I don't quite know how it works,

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 3>but it does work. I can hear it if you're

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 3>standing like two three feet away. There's no sound bleed,

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 3>but I hear music in the middle of my head

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 3>despite having to not put an earbud actually like in

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 3>my ear. They're super useful. They work greatly, really good

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 3>sound quality, durable.

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm on year two of the same pair that I

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>run with every single day, like sweat rain. Great products.

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 2>It's like small improvements.

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, It's not necessarily like revolutionizing hearing, but it's it's

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 3>very very small improvements. Where As the other kind of big,

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 3>big trend, which isn't necessarily like holly consumer based. It's

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 3>kind of what these larger companies are trying to move towards.

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Is I feel like they're trying to replace friendship with

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 3>this form of like technology and like AI enable technology.

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 3>You used to have friends to get recommended new music.

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 3>You used to have like friends to like tell you

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 3>about new stuff that they're interested in.

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>No longer.

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Now now you have an AI agent that.

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Can do that for you.

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 3>You you don't need you don't need friends to help

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of talk about you know, you had you had

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 3>a rough breakup. Instead, you can have a short term replacement.

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Using AI, you can have a friend replacement of a

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 3>girlfriend replacement. It's all these things that are trying to

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 3>like replace the core concept of friendship, even as like

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 3>an as even as like a baby, even as a toddler.

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Your first friend doesn't need to be people you meet outside.

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 3>It can be this little hovering robot you have in

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 3>the living room that can also organize your fridge, tell

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 3>you what to tell you what you'll roll around your

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 3>house the middle of the night with with cameras and

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 3>that could be your first friend. It's replacing the core

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 3>concept of friendship. It's this move towards complete optimization of

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 3>every aspect of human life, because as smooth as possible,

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 3>that completely ignores like what it means to be human.

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>It's the fast saying difference between that elder care robot

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 2>el e Q, which was clearly a man with a

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.120
<v Speaker 2>tremendous amount of empathy trying to design a device to

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>help people, and what I usually see with AI, which

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>is trying to design a device to remove the need

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>for human empathy. Like I went to a there was

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 2>a VET app called Laika that's like chat GPT for veterinarians,

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, yeah, you know what, most of

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>it we focused initially on like technical questions, so like

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.719
<v Speaker 2>if I have these symptoms, what can that mean? But

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>what Vet's kept asking us is like, we would really

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>like advice on how to talk to people that their

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>pets are going to die. And I was like, do

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you are vetts not getting out of vet school because

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that's like that's a big part of being a vet,

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Like do they need chat GPT for this.

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 3>I saw this other company that was like it was

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 3>designed to help you get over the loss of your pet,

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 3>where you could you could pump tons of photos of

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 3>your pet AI into this AI generator and it will

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 3>generate new images and this is proven to help you

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 3>move on from loss. Which is literally a Nathan Fielder

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 3>from like seven years ago, seven years ago, and like, no,

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 3>you should talk with your friends about that. That's why

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 3>you are a human. That's how you can move on

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 3>from loss. You have to make new connections. Poorly AI

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 3>generated images of your cat aren't going to help you

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 3>move on, Like what why? Anyway, Replacing friendship is the

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 3>thing that I see a lot of the tech world

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 3>wanting to do, maybe because they don't really understand real

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 3>human relationships that aren't like innately transactional. I'm not sure,

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 3>but that is like a huge trend that I've seen

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 3>multiple multiple people mention.

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 7>All right, Zi, So I've worked in this industry for

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 7>like three years now, and this is my first big convention,

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.719
<v Speaker 7>and I would say this is just affirmed pretty much

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 7>all of my disillusions with the tech world, and most

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 7>of it's just nonsense. And maybe the postive people are

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 7>onto some stuff.

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Well you say that, but I really do think vera

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 2>dox is gonna revolutionize the way in which mysterious fogs

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 2>kill large numbers of Maybe, but don't name it something

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>so sinister. Yeah.

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you were to be like, this is the

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 5>thing that keeps your apples fresh for a long time,

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 5>that would be great.

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I would just don't call it apple fresh. Yes, but

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>call it apple fresh.

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 3>By the way, you should listen to You should listen

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 3>to Better Offline to hear context for veradox, which we

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 3>discussed in the last episode of our daily Cees coverage

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 3>over there with the wonderful Edixitron. But essentially, evera dox

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 3>is this missed. They get sprayed on produce, which allegedly

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 3>helps it stay shelf stable for a few more days exactly.

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>So maybe that shelf stable myst will also translate to

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 2>waking up the dead.

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 5>Possibly, But you don't know that it's gonna do. You

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 5>don't know that it's not going to do right right areas.

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 2>We as a journalist, that's sorry job to ask these questions.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 3>And we discussed that way more in depth on Better Offline.

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we do discuss whether the ability to bring leaf

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 5>led us back to life does have any repercussions in

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 5>a pet cemetery sort of way for your possibly dead

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 5>loved ones.

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 2>David, it's me sorry. A lot of good points.

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think Gary never both made the point

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 5>about the sort of sociopathic like thread of a lot

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 5>of this just sort of like an inability to understand

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 5>not just what people might want from a technology, I think,

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 5>which is to feel not I mean, there probably are

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.439
<v Speaker 5>people I imagine that. It's like if you were the guy,

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<v Speaker 5>the dude that's like trying to age himself backwards. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's like Brian Johnson, Brian Johnson, we love Brian, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>but he like I feel like he would have been

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<v Speaker 5>walking through this clapping his hands with delight.

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<v Speaker 2>Day king his son's blood yeah, time for Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's I drink his son's blood pretty Ray's And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not bad the.

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<v Speaker 5>High quality plot, but that it felt like it was

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<v Speaker 5>that that there was a lot of this sort of

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<v Speaker 5>like an optimization unto like trans sending being human at all.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't think I mean again, there probably are

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<v Speaker 5>people that want that. They certainly have money. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>imagine that I think what most people would like. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>then you don't expect technology to make you feel more human.

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<v Speaker 5>But something I've been thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>About a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>We're talking about this a lot on a better offline,

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<v Speaker 5>but there's a passivity that a lot of this sort

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<v Speaker 5>of seems to be forcing onto people where you're just like,

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<v Speaker 5>sort of things are happening to you that make your

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<v Speaker 5>life more efficient and convenient. And I don't think that

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<v Speaker 5>I want that. I mean, I'm older than and poorer

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<v Speaker 5>than the you know, market that I think they're aiming

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<v Speaker 5>for with this, But it's certainly old enough to remember,

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<v Speaker 5>as you said, like finding music, like that's a thing

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<v Speaker 5>that yeah, you know, your friends tell you about it.

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<v Speaker 5>And in my case, I mean again just being in

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<v Speaker 5>my middle age, you like go to a store and

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<v Speaker 5>you flip through shit, like there's a distinction between finding

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<v Speaker 5>something and being given something or being fed to something

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<v Speaker 5>like you're a foa grag goose and it's just getting

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<v Speaker 5>sort of piped into your brain and life and being.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think it's an important distinction. I think that

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of agency of having some sense of doing

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<v Speaker 5>the things that you want to do, like I would

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<v Speaker 5>imagine that well, I don't have to imagine technology that

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<v Speaker 5>helps you do that as opposed to doing it for you.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that I don't want stuff that makes me

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<v Speaker 5>feel less human. I don't want stuff that makes me

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<v Speaker 5>feel more like I'm in a fucking matrix pod. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that a lot of the stuff that was

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<v Speaker 5>out there seemed targeted towards the matrix pod dwelling community.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's that's about the best line we could

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<v Speaker 2>go out on, Like, that's that's yeah, enailed it. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I crushed that one. Yeah you did. You did,

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<v Speaker 2>great job, Dave.

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<v Speaker 3>Where can people find your work day?

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<v Speaker 2>Defector dot com? Why let me do that without crushing

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<v Speaker 2>my want? No, no, no, no, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a load bearing piece of content. Defector dot com

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<v Speaker 2>is the website, and at.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, do you want to tell people how to

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<v Speaker 2>find you?

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<v Speaker 4>zeros for.

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<v Speaker 2>Neo zeros All right, everybody, Well, uh, that's going to

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