1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Buddy Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I'd have to say 2 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: that probably my favorite group would have to be strawberries. 3 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: I love strawberries. I love fresh strawberries, and I haven't 4 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: always loved them. But there's a place that's very near 5 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: and dear to my heart where I came to love strawberries, 6 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: and it's a little town called Potchitula, Louisiana. Ponchitula has 7 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: just finished up their annual Strawberry Festival. And you know, 8 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: Louisiana is renowned for festivals. I mean, you've got everything 9 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: from gumbo Festival, crawfish Festival, a catfish festival, and they've 10 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: been doing it for years and years, and I like 11 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: going to all those things, but for me, there's nothing 12 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: that beats the strawberry Festival. I have seen strawberries there 13 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: the size of apples, and it is a joyous occasion. 14 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: They've got strawberry jam, jelly, They've even got strawberry wine, 15 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: and it is just a fantastic time. You know, you 16 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: got Cajun music, people are dancing around. And today I 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: want to talk about a case that unfortunately originated in 18 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: one of my favorite places in Louisiana. Paunch Toola Louisiana. 19 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: But the subject here is not going to be about strawberries. 20 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: It's actually going to be about another plant, a flowering 21 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: plant that many times people associate with death. Today we're 22 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: going to talk about a nurse who was seemingly attacked 23 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: with a blunt object in her punch tool home left 24 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: or dead, and we're going to try to understand how 25 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: somebody could have gotten rid of the evidence involved in 26 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: the case. I'm Josep Scott Morgan, and this is body 27 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: Bags Dave my wife, and I know this because I've 28 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: tested it over the years. My wife loves to get flowers. Now, 29 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: some people will say that it's money. You're throwing away 30 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: money when you do it. I don't believe. I see 31 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: it as an investment, Okay. I see it as an 32 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: investment in or relationship. If I get into a fight 33 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: with my wife, which we rarely do, are disagreement, let 34 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: me put it that way, I don't go out and 35 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: rush out and buy her flowers to try to make everything. 36 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I just will randomly send her flowers, and I love 37 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: the expression I see on her face. It brings me joy, 38 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: and flowers commonly do bring me joy. I like growing flowers. 39 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: I like growing wildflowers. Actually some people might know that 40 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: about me. I hope you think nonetheless of me as 41 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: a result of that. But as a matter of fact, 42 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: our first date that we ever had. 43 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: By the way, not talking about his first date with me, 44 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 2: talking about his wife. 45 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: I cut fresh wildflowers out of my garden at home 46 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: and took those to her on our first date. And 47 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: you know, after that, a new hatter. So uh, yeah, 48 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: flowers have always played a big role in my life. 49 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: But so you're admitting you were stuck in your futures. 50 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: It was a blond date. It was I wasn't you know, 51 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: we were before the days where you could really cyber 52 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: stock anybody. So yeah, it was I've always loved flowers. 53 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, Dave, the this case 54 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: is very troubling today because it does involve it does 55 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: involve lilies, and you know, we've I think commonly people 56 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: have associated lilies with with death. There's imagery out there 57 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: of you know, bodies, even I think going back to 58 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages, where you have bodies that are casketed 59 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: and they're laying there where their hands crossed and their 60 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: lilies across their chest. It's always symbolic of that. I 61 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: find this case very disturbing. 62 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: And I'm glad you brought up the funeral with the 63 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: hands crossed with the lilies, because that actually was part 64 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: of the break in this case. Today we're talking about 65 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: the death of Lisa Hernandez, talking about a forty five 66 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: year old woman who accomplished. She's a nurse, accomplished woman. 67 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: She's the person everybody liked to work with. You know, 68 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: you you always think about what are people going to 69 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: say when you're gone, and you know, we don't get 70 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: to hear those things because we're gone. In this respect, 71 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: that was the first thing I thought of, is everybody 72 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: has these wonderful nice things to say about her, and 73 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: she's not here to enjoy them. She was found by 74 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: her daughter. Daughter comes in, calls nine one one because 75 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: she finds her mom. She's not risk responsive, she's got 76 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: blood everywhere and doesn't know what happened. It looked like 77 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: maybe there was a robbery of some sort going on 78 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: in here, but calls nine one one. They come out 79 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: and sadly Lisa Hernandez is dad. When everything was said 80 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: and done, Joe about her body and the damage that 81 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: had been done. I wrote this down because I had 82 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: to ask you. This says cause of death, blunt force 83 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: instrument and a sharp edged instrument. How do you, as 84 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: somebody investigating a death and you've got these, how do 85 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: you put this together? And what is something that could 86 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: be a blunt for instrument as well as a sharp edge? 87 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: Is there is there something that could be both? 88 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's a couple of things that 89 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: come to mind, And I've had desks involving both of 90 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: these instruments. I'm gonna mention and these are just off 91 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: the top of my head. The first one, obviously, is 92 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: going to be a hammer, a claw hammer, you know, 93 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: where you've got the blunt leading edge that is used 94 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: to hammer nails into a surface, and then you flip 95 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: it around and you've got these two and they look 96 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: like big buck teeth that are coming down that have 97 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: leading edges that are very sharp, and that of course 98 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: traditionally has been used pride nails up with. But it 99 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: is one heck of a fatal instrument. The other thing 100 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: that I've had, and I don't think that's what we're 101 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: dealing with here, is a mall. A mall looks like 102 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: a sledge hammer with a blade on the other side, 103 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: and you can split wood with it because it's got 104 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: so much weight to it, and so that weight is transferred, 105 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, down onto a block of wood. It has 106 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: a bit more utility than a standard axe, for instance, 107 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: and you can flip it around and use it as 108 00:06:59,400 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: a sledgeham. 109 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: I've got one of those. I did not know what 110 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: it was called. It's just something that somehow ended up 111 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: in my garage. You know, a u l Yeah, it's 112 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: real heavy, it's got yeah, so it's a weird word. 113 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: But yet hey, you know, mall itself is used to 114 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: describe the individual was maulled, So that gives you an 115 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: indication that there in the past there's been violence associated 116 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: with it. I mean, whi elst would you name this 117 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: instrument that I'm probably you know, I'm sure that some 118 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: some linguistic person that's out there will probably you know, 119 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: catch me in the lurch here some way. But that's 120 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: that's my assessment. 121 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: I've got one, and I didn't Again, I don't know 122 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: how I ended up with it. I'm sure somebody passed 123 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: away and I ended up with it. 124 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: It's one of the best instruments she can have in 125 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: your toolshit. The only thing about it is it'll wear 126 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: you out, I mean real quick. I used to get 127 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: in shape for football during the off season by felling 128 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: trees with a family member and we would split wood, 129 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, we'd cut it into sections, and I had 130 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: a mall to do that with. Also had a sledge 131 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: hammer and a couple of steel wedges and all that 132 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But the mall will get the job done. 133 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: But just understand it would wear you out. But in 134 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: this set of circumstances, Dave, I cannot necessarily see someone 135 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: coming into this house. And by the way, she was 136 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: found actually on the floor between the bed and the dresser, 137 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: I think, And there's blood everywhere. When you're at a 138 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: death scene and you've gotten matted, coagulated blood about, you 139 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: have to be very very careful in handling the body 140 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: and making any kind of injury assessment at that time 141 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: because you will be super encrustive with blood. That's been 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: my experience, and you're not going to be able to 143 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: appreciate everything at the scene relative to trauma. So you 144 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: can say that, yeah, there is what appears to be 145 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: copious red substance at the scene. Of course, that translates 146 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: into blood once you've confirmed it scientifically, and you can 147 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: do that at the scene, you can do an on 148 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: the spot test to say that this is in fact 149 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: blood and that it's human blood and all this sort 150 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: of stuff. But until you can get a body back 151 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: to the morgue under the white hot surgical lights, it's 152 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: best that you don't jump to any conclusions. Because I've 153 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: seen gunshot wounds to the head that have generated tremendous 154 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: amounts of blood. But I've also seen blunt force trauma 155 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: as well, and when you get a combination, Dave of both, 156 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: what they're saying is blunt force and sharp force, it 157 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: gives you a sense of probably, unfortunately, God bless her, 158 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: what this poor daughter saw once you got there. I mean, 159 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: I can't imagine walking in and someone seeing their mama 160 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: laying on the floor and she's encrusted with blood. It 161 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: would confuse the investigators out there unless they're very very 162 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: careful and be very painstaking to get the body to 163 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist so they can document it with the 164 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: crusted blood. Then at the more you bathe the body, 165 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,479 Speaker 1: not with soap, but you just kind of rinse it down. 166 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: We have a sprayer that's hooked to the autopsy table, 167 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: and it kind of looks like a sprayer you would 168 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: have on your sink. It's a bit more robust than that, 169 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: and it forces water into these crusted areas and you 170 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: kind of have to wipe it away to reveal any 171 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of injuries. And as a matter of fact, from 172 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: one of the things we do that I may have 173 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: mentioned before is that, particularly with injuries to the head, 174 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: we actually shave the head, we shave the area you 175 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: know around there. So you got to be real careful, Dave, 176 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: when you're you know, when you're funding assessments. It seems 177 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: because when you. 178 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: Go to a funeral, I mean that, I'm sure when 179 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: you're trying to figure out how a person died, what 180 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: took place, you're not really concerned with what are they 181 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: going to look like in the casket for their family. 182 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: You've got to solve this crime. But I wondered about 183 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: the shaving. If it was full on, got to shave 184 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: everything to make sure we don't miss anything or. 185 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: No, you'll inspect the area, you'll rense out the hair net. 186 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: Keep in mind, I know some of you guys are saying, well, 187 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: you're watching way evidence. You do this after you have 188 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: gone to great links to collect trace evidence. Okay, that's 189 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: why you don't want to wash the body down in 190 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: any way until you can do things like tape lifts 191 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: and certainly do swabs you're looking for DNA and all 192 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: this sort of thing. You have to be very patient. 193 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: That's why if you get these complex cases out there 194 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: where you've got multiple strikes, you will literally have a 195 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: layering of injuries. And it's a nightmare. I mean, it 196 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: really is. It's a nightmare because sometimes if you've got 197 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: multiple strikes to the head, for instance, you're going to 198 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: have overlying lacerations. And the trick is, first off, when 199 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: you assess us lacerations, are they anti mortem? That means 200 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: that if they struck, you should have surrounding hemorrhage. But 201 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: if they're post mortem, all you've got is a laceration 202 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: and there's no hemorrhage, there's no echmosis, which is a 203 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: fancy word for swelling. You're not going to have that. 204 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: So you have to be very careful when you're doing 205 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: this assessment because as we know, I mean, you and 206 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: I have covered tons of them on body bags where 207 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: we have people that do things to bodies after death 208 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: when you're doing those assessments, and then you throw in 209 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: the sharp edged element too, how do you delineate between 210 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: all of this and with a head strike, the one 211 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: thing that you can count on that you're going to 212 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: see resting just beneath the surface is going to be 213 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: a skull underlying that traumatized scalp, and you will have 214 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: multiple fractures of the external table of the skull, and 215 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: many times it looks precisely like a cracked, hardbolled eck. 216 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: When you're death investigator, you don't always frame things as 217 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: an investigator. When you're the scene, sometimes your humanity will 218 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: take over. And what I mean by that if you're 219 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: working a case in a neighborhood, for instance, just like 220 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: the one that mister Nandez lived in, I've caught myself 221 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: many times with my thoughts drifting to the sight of 222 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: people peeping out of their windows or coming out onto 223 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: their driveway, or even people taking photos and video of 224 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: us working a scene, and they would gather together in clusters, 225 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: and it's always stuck with me. I think it has 226 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: something to do with human behavior and group human behavior. 227 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: It's like you if you have a perception of evil 228 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: or harm that might be coming your way because of 229 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: one of your own in your neighborhood has been attacked. 230 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: People that might not otherwise talk to one another, gather together. 231 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: And I've often thought about, you know, what would it 232 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: be like to live in a neighborhood where you've got 233 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: a woman who is gainfully employed, who was known, who 234 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: had a family. What would it be like to find 235 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: out the news that she'd been literally beaten to death. 236 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: Dave, it would be a shocking, worrisome time in your neighborhood, 237 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: that's for sure. With Lisa and David Hernandez, they actually 238 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: they're both nurses, both in the same medical field, and 239 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: they had hit the end of their relationship rope and 240 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: they were separated. They were not divorced yet from what 241 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: I can gather, but they had been at least separated 242 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: for a year. That's why they refer to them as exes. 243 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: In some states, you actually have to be separated legally 244 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: for a year before a divorce would be granted, and anyway, 245 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: they had been during that year. 246 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: Though. 247 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: It's interesting how investigators have pointed out that it was 248 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: after about a year of separation that David Hernandez started 249 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: stalking his almost ex wife. They didn't say he did 250 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: it right away. It was after, right at the edge, 251 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: when it was time where it looked like the divorce 252 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: was really going to happen. That's when he turns into 253 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: overdrive and he starts following her. He puts a tracking 254 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: device on her car. He sends her flowers, but not 255 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: just any flowers, Okay, David Hernandez knew that his wife 256 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: was highly allergic to Lili's So when he sends her 257 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: a beautiful bouquet of flowers to her place of work 258 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: for everybody to see, and here you've got lilies that 259 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: are referred to as death flowers, and she is highly allergic. 260 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: So you talk about using something you know about somebody 261 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: as it's today. And on top of all that, he 262 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: would randomly pop in at work. He would just he 263 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: knows what a nurse is going through at work, yet 264 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: he would still well just randomly pop up at her 265 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: work basically saying, hey, I'm here, I'm watching I got you. 266 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: And by the way, it wasn't until after her death 267 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: that they found the tracking device on her car. 268 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: That's the wait, hang on that, that to me is 269 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: one of these absolutely terrifying things. I hate this crap. 270 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: I hate the idea of somebody being able to track 271 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: another individual. I think that one of these companies out there, 272 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: I guess it's Apple, you know, has that Apple Tracker 273 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: thing that people can use. And I understand the utility 274 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: of it. I mean, you know, if you've got a dog, 275 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: that's you know, like I've got a yeah, I've got 276 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: my laboratory retriever whom I love. You know, if I 277 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: could put one of those in her collar, perhaps, you know, 278 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: I could see where she is. But it's the idea 279 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: of someone having the ability to do that to another person. 280 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: You know, when we were kids, dave that kind of technology. 281 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: That's something that that's something we would have aught about 282 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: with James Bond movies. 283 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: It was like a video phone, you know, yeah, yeah exactly. 284 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: And now now everybody has access to these things. You know, 285 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: they can track you. And you know, I know Nancy, 286 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: our friend, is very you know, she uses her her 287 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, locate my yeah you know, yeah, my iPhone 288 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: and she uses that with her kids. You know, she 289 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: talks about the twins all the time. I understand that, 290 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: and it does create maybe a level of security but 291 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: there's also a real terrifying element to this that somebody 292 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: that you no longer want to be domiciled with, obviously 293 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: you know, has the ability, that has access to the 294 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: technology and that can use it. Technology is great, man, 295 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what, buddy, it's really got a downside. 296 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: So those track of things you mentioned actually have done 297 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: a couple of stories on this with Nancy about you know, 298 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: people using those in a bar situation, driving in at first, 299 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: things like that to a track of woman's movements, and 300 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: there are ways for you to protect yourself about it. 301 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: If you don't know what we're talking about, please look 302 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: it up. There are ways to protect yourself from somebody 303 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: unknowingly tagging you like that, and you can prevent it 304 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: from happening to you. So now, with regard to her 305 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: having this tracking device on her vehicle, they were able 306 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: to trace it back to her husband, her ex husband, 307 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: David Hernandez, probably by purchasing it online. They're not cheap. 308 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: We'll get into that over the next couple of days. 309 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: I can tell you that I'll be looking it up. 310 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: Some of the rest of you will as well, because 311 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: it is not just spooky, it's dangerous. So as they're 312 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: investigating it, Joe, they're putting these things together. I mean, 313 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: we've talked about how the person you're closest to is 314 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 2: the first suspect and it goes out from there. And 315 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: in this case, you have a soon to be ex 316 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: husband in estranged situation and he has been showing a 317 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: number of behaviors that are very worrisome to probably her friends, 318 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: other members that she worked with, things like that. So 319 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: police have their hands full right away with who they're 320 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: looking at as possible suspects. But again, it was a 321 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 2: scene that had been staged. You know what a scene 322 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: looks like when you go to it, Joe as a 323 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: death investigator. Police know what a robbery scene looks like, 324 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: and they know when something doesn't ring true. Correct, Yeah, yeah, 325 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: you do. 326 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: And sometimes you'll see with the staging staging scenes, first off, 327 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: it's very difficult when somebody has got an open head 328 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: injury and they have obviously bled out, it's very difficult 329 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: to kind of mask that if you're the perpetrator. However, 330 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: when you have a true staged scene, you'll see many 331 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: times these kind of half hearted efforts to open drawers up, 332 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: maybe pull a few things out. That sort of thing. 333 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: It won't be the individual will not necessarily be all 334 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: in on it. Because when you think of like a 335 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: robbery or burglary that turned into you know, a murder, 336 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: robbery murder, when you see that at a scene when 337 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: it's true, you'll see all kinds of crap that's broken, 338 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: turned over, busted into a million pieces, where they're digging 339 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: for something and it looks like they're in a frenzy. 340 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: I've had several cases where you have people that are 341 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: in an addictive phase in their life and all they 342 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: want is to score. They just want to score whatever 343 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: dope that they're addicted to, and it will it looks 344 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: like a madman has gone through the house, and it's terrifying. 345 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: And there have been times I've worked these cases obviously 346 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: where there's somebody that's not i mean, who suspects this, 347 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: who expects it, you know, and you walk into your 348 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: home and there's this raving maniac in there, and they 349 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: kill you with a weapon of convenience. Most of the time, 350 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: but police can kind of understand, I think relative to staging, 351 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: one of the first things we're going to look for 352 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: is and you hear talk about it all the time 353 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: is is there evidence of forced entry at the scene, 354 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: Because forced entry implies that you had to gain access 355 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: where you were not allowed to be accessing an area 356 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: you had a key or maybe familiarity where you can 357 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: knock on the door and somebody's gonna let you in, 358 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: and so yeah, the police have a have a way 359 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: of doing that. But I gotta I gotta tell you, 360 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: David kind of kind of jumped ahead a little bit. 361 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to. I had an idea that kind of 362 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: came to mind. You had mentioned a few moments ago 363 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: about the lilies that she is highly allergic to, and 364 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: both these individuals are also in the medical field. Now 365 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: just give me a little rope here, because I know 366 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: that this might this might run run a field, and 367 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: you know you but I'm really wondering here, if you 368 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: have knowledge that someone is specifically allergic to something and 369 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: you send it to them, are you holding out hope 370 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: that if they hold these things, if they have them 371 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: adjacent to them, they're going to have an anaphylactic event 372 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: where they begin to swell, their airway is going to 373 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: begin to close. You'll see their face turned red. And 374 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, day people might laugh at that I actually 375 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: had a lady years and years ago that committed suicide 376 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: visa vis anaphylaxis, and you know how she accomplished it. 377 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: She was allergic to any kind of shellfish and she 378 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: went to a buffet with her husband and sat across 379 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: the table and just jammed her face with bail trimp 380 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: and he knew. He was like, what what are you doing? 381 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: You know, like this and before you knew it, she 382 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, she didn't have an EpiPen. I don't even 383 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: think there was Bena drill handy, and you get to 384 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: that point. I don't know that Benadryla is going to 385 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: touch the situation. But she went into cardial respiratory arrest 386 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: right there and they ran a code and she died 387 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: at the hospital. And she had been suffering with depression 388 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. So this is interesting. It's 389 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: an interesting thought for me as an investor, Stiga, I 390 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: really want to know was he trying to weaponize lilies. 391 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: I think that that's a fascinating point along this because 392 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: if you have knowledge that she has a reaction to these, 393 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: is that what you're trying to do? 394 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: That boggles my mind. 395 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: I know, it's bizarre, isn't. 396 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: It when I saw the death flower headline on this story. Yeah, okay, 397 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: that's kind of merterious. But I was thinking it was 398 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: one of those stinky flowers that when they open up, 399 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 2: they smell bad and when you feel like you're going 400 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: to die. 401 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think those things. I think they weigh 402 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: like two tons open like every five years or something. 403 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 2: That's that's what I was thinking. So is it like 404 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: feed me seymore in the basement. 405 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: No, And I'm not saying that lilies are fatal, but 406 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: any kind of allergic reaction that you can have to anything, 407 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't. You know, I wonder if. 408 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: Neither of us are lawyers or anything else. But it 409 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: makes you wonder if you know somebody is allergic to 410 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: something and you tried to get it in their face 411 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: to cause them pain and you know whatever. I wonder 412 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: if there is not an assault charge waiting it's happened. 413 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: Hey, That's exactly what I was thinking about, because if 414 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: you have four knowledge and listen, it's hard. You know, 415 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: when you get into the realm of medicine, when you're 416 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: certified a registered nurse, you understand allergic reactions, and then 417 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: on top of that, you're domiciled with this person. You're 418 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: married to them, You're going to know that intimate detail 419 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: so much to the point that this individual may have 420 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: chosen to send it. I don't know. Maybe he thought 421 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: that she liked lily's. But I got to tell you, 422 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: if I was a betting man and I'm working this 423 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: case and she's got a history of allergic reactions to 424 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: these flowers, I think that it would be something worth 425 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: kind of digging into and anything else. I'm very curious 426 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: about this case, which, by the way, at this point 427 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: time has not been adjudicated. This is a recent case, 428 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: so this man is innocent until proven guilty. But I'd 429 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: have to think if I were in the middle of 430 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: this thing working it, I don't want to know if 431 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: he had ever made any other kind of efforts harming 432 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: her anyway. It's almost like kind of a passive intimidation tactic. 433 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, you can imagine what she thought when she 434 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: received these, Wow, I've got flowers. Oh no, they're lilies. 435 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. But you know that at the end 436 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: of the day, that's that's not what it came down to. 437 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: But I really wonder, Dave, I really wonder if those 438 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: lilies we're not a portent of something far more sinister 439 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: and evil. Investigations are. They're not instantaneous. It's not like 440 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: you've got a bowl of ramen and you pour hot 441 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: water in it and suddenly you've got a meal. It's 442 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: not like that. It's not instantaneous. Really good investigations take 443 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: a period of time because they're so intricate. I like 444 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: to compare them in my mind always envision them as spiderwebs, 445 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: and you've got all this directionality, you know, that kind 446 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: of go and it intersects with these things. And when 447 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: you get that vision in your mind, it's actually helped me, 448 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: believe it or not, when I can kind of sexualize 449 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: or compartmentalize investigations because I know what my role is 450 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: in the investigation. I don't have anything else most of 451 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: the time to do with anybody else's roles. So I 452 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: think that that's a valuable thing to keep in mind. 453 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: But Dave, you were telling me that in mister Nandez's 454 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: death that it took a little bit of time before 455 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: they finally settled on a suspect. 456 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 2: Well, they had to figure out, they had to figure 457 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: out what happened. They know they have a dead forty 458 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 2: five year old woman who was beaten to death. They 459 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: know the weapon was that there was a blunt forest 460 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: instrument and a sharp edged instrument. So they're trying to 461 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: put all this together, and you know, they probably had 462 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 2: their eyes on this soon to be x just because 463 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 2: they were able to uncover fairly quickly what he had 464 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: been doing in terms of stalking and the police actually 465 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: terms of that he had been stalking. And again, this 466 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: isn'tn allegation. Now this is a current case, and everyone 467 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: is innocent until they're proven guilty in the court of law. 468 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: But in this particular case, they were able to build 469 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: enough evidence over a couple of weeks to realize that, yes, 470 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: this David Hernandez is our suspect. But that was through 471 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 2: just regular police work. And there was one thing that 472 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: they know, Where's where is the instrument of death? Where 473 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: is this object that we're looking for. They kind of 474 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: thought it was a hammer, They kind of were leaning 475 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: that way, but they couldn't figure out, couldn't find it. 476 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: It was about a month into the investigation when investigators 477 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: were able to get surveillance footage of La Paza train 478 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 2: and I always thought, like I'm mispronouncing that no, okay. 479 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: And I'm sure they were trying to figure out path 480 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: of movement and things like that of where an individual 481 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: would go. But in this particular case, a month into 482 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: the investigation, they get video surveillance video that is around 483 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: Lake ponsa train and they saw David Hernandez pull over 484 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: on the causeway and they actually said they saw him. 485 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: This is what the Jimmy Travis is the chief operating 486 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: officer and the Sheriff's office there, and he said, you 487 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: can see objects being thrown from the car. You see 488 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: it hit the water splashing, So they know he's thrown 489 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: something big enough and heavy enough to create that type 490 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: of reaction in the water. So what do you think 491 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: they did? They called out the dive team up and 492 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: they put divers in the water, and all I could 493 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: think of, Joe, I bet anybody driving along the causeway 494 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: there wanting to throw something would not consider they were 495 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: on surreulance camera. I wouldn't think it. 496 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: They wouldn't. And first off, we're talking about literally the 497 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: world's longest bridge, and that's the Causeway bridge over Lake 498 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Pontchraff spent unfortunately, more time on that bridge over the 499 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: course of my career when I was with the Jefferson 500 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: Parish Corners Office. And is it wide, Joe, Oh, really, 501 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: it's four lanes. It's four lanes. You have two lanes 502 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: southbound and two lanes northbound, and it has guardrails. My 503 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: family has a long history with Lake post Train. Matter 504 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: of fact, my ancestors and my ancestors actually opened the 505 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: very first ferry that ever went across Lake Pontch Train 506 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: in the late seventeen hundreds. They were bringing wood. There 507 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: was no other way to get to New Orleans other 508 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: than coming up the Mississippi River or down the Mississippi 509 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 1: River from Baton Rouge, or coming up through the Gulf 510 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: and through the marshes. And so my ancestors built one 511 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: of the first ferries, Killian's Ferry. And there's a little 512 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: village on Lake Pontrain called Killian is Wow. And so. 513 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go there and say, y'all know, Joe. 514 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: No, they will not. And so and I love Pontcetrain. 515 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: I fished on Potch Train and here's something unique about it. 516 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of our our friends out 517 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: there have have certainly visited it over the years, and 518 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: people love to drive on the causeway to say that 519 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: they've been on the world's long spriadge, like just over 520 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: twenty three miles in length. It takes a lot. 521 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: Goodness, I didn't know it was that long. 522 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's certain points where you can't see either shore. 523 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: But you just see water. 524 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: You see water, yeah, and then eventually you'll see land, 525 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, on the north shore, you know, kind of 526 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: poking up and and everything's flat. Obviously, it's not like 527 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: there's any hills surrounding Lake pots Train everything. But here's 528 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: something interesting about Lake Pontcha Train. Lake Potchtrain is is 529 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: actually an estuary, and it's one of the largest estuaries 530 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: in the world, and that it is a lake. They 531 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: call it a lake, but it's it comes off of 532 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi River has an 533 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: influence on it too, and all the various tributaries. Lots 534 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: of life in this thing, and so you can actually 535 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: find out towards the gulf. You'll find more saltwater species 536 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: out there, redfish and speckled trout and all that sort 537 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: of thing. But you go go back to the west 538 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: and you can start catching things like crappie or as 539 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: the Cajun say, saku lea and largemouth bass and all 540 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: these sorts of things. And so you've got this environment. 541 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: And as big as that lake is, Dave, I'm gonna 542 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: throw some knowledge on you here real quick that you 543 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: might not have ever heard. Jennut Lake averages only thirteen 544 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: to fourteen feet in depth. Oh wow, as big as 545 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: this thing is because it's vast. I mean, it's not 546 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: like the size of Great Lakes, but it's vast, and 547 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: it's got a real muddy bottom. There is a central 548 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: area that's like sixty to sixty five feet and you 549 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: know what that is. That's a shipping channel that was 550 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: actually cut in there. And so naturally it's just it's 551 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: an estuary. It's not like a real deep You go 552 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: to the Great Lakes, you know, and you've got these 553 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: hundreds of feet of depth up there. It's not like that. 554 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: And so you have a hurricane that comes through there. 555 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: It's like the meteorologists and the hydrologists talk about, it's 556 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: like having water in a saucer and the wind blows 557 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: and it'll just blow water. That's one of the problems 558 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: you had with Katrina ponchtrain played a big role in 559 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: the flooding. But when here's the other thing about this 560 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: dive team, which I could never do diving claustrophobic, it 561 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: terrifies me. I've got a good buddy of mine, Bobby Chacone, 562 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: who is ran, who ran the FBI dive team, and 563 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: he he is a he's a beast. I mean he is. 564 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: He'll you know, he's he's done it all, he's seen 565 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: it all. It terrifies me. But you know, when you 566 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: get into poncha train, brother, you can't even see your 567 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: hand in front of your face, you know. So the 568 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: fact that they've got this Hernandez guy on video gives 569 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: him an idea of where to start. And also they 570 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: did this recovery in Jefferson Parish, so he traveled through 571 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: a couple of parishes and on the bridge in order 572 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: to facilitate this. And the fact that he did it 573 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: out there is amazing because you have what are called 574 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: the Causeway Bridge Police, and literally all these people do 575 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: is police the bridge. They run radar there always out there. 576 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: So that gives you an idea of how emboldened he was, 577 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: how confident he was. And there is no room to 578 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: pass on this thing, man, no room to pass. You 579 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: would have to put your flashes on and say a 580 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: Hail Mary and go out there and hope that you're 581 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: not going to get crushed, and go out there quick 582 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: enough to drop it and then scoot back to your 583 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: vehicle and start heading in the opposite direction. And that's 584 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: the other thing. You start heading in the opposite direction. 585 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: You got to find a place to turn around. Dude. 586 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: Let me tell you this though, Joe. Yeah, he stayed 587 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: in his car. He stayed in his car and tossed 588 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 2: the items from the car. 589 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's an interesting, interesting point that he didn't 590 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: get out, And I wonder if he actually came to 591 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: a full stop to do it. 592 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm wondering the same thing. That's why 593 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: I was curious, because I don't know. I'm trying to 594 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: visualize this, and I can't figure out how wide the 595 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: bridge is. So we're not talking about a wide area. 596 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, So we are. 597 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 2: Time he stayed in the car, I'm guessing he just 598 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: thought I'm gonna do it right here and just out 599 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: the door, you go out the window. 600 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he obviously didn't do it in the shipping channel, 601 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: which the causeway has got this big hump. It looks 602 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: like a camel just rising up. It's this gigantic hump 603 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: that's right in the center of it. And that's so 604 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: that larger ships can get through that thing and stay 605 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: in the channel, can stay in the shipping channel. Now, 606 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: he may have had a better shot of them not 607 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: being able to recover this thing if he had stopped 608 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: on top of that. But the problem was stopping and 609 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 1: he knows this. The problem was stopping on the top. 610 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: There are two towers up there and they look like 611 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a little kid, and I 612 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: see them. They look like air control towers, you know, 613 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: with the glass that goes all the way around it, 614 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: so that these guys that are in there can see 615 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: it for miles. You can see the landscape or the 616 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: water skate for miles and miles around. They've got ships 617 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: that are incoming and all that sort of thing. And 618 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: so you know, you're damned if you do. You're damn 619 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: if you don't. If he goes to that portion right there, 620 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: he might hit the shipping channel where this thing's going 621 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: to go down to a depth of you know, sixty 622 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: maybe seventy feet I don't know, and settle down in 623 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: that mud. But they caught it soon enough so that 624 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: these poor souls on this dive team had to go 625 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: down there. And when I tell you this is like, 626 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: this is hero stuff to me because it's something I 627 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: couldn't do. When they're down underwater, they're literally feeling around 628 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: with their hands, and trust me, there's more than an 629 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: item that this guy throughout over the edge of that bridge. 630 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: Lord only knows what you can find down there. I 631 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: see all these kids on YouTube nowadays and they do 632 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: the magnet fishing. Have you seen this where there's TSSA 633 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: And it's pretty fascinating see what they come up with. 634 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: And sometimes they come up with with weapons involved in 635 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: all the sides. But you know, there's it's a heavily 636 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: traveled road. It's and you think that anything that you 637 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: that you toss over is gone forever and ever. Amen, 638 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: And that ain't necessarily the case. And what did they 639 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: wind up finding to David. 640 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: They found exactly what you were talking about earlier, on 641 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 2: a large hammer. Now the they pointed out that because 642 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 2: it was on video, that's what the sheriff actually says 643 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 2: he thought he was throwing away these items someplace that 644 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 2: they would be gone forever, never realizing that the area 645 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: he was in, he was in video surveillance while he 646 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: was doing it, so they knew exactly where he was 647 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 2: on the bridge when he threw the objects in, and 648 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 2: they were because they saw the splash. They knew where 649 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: it entered the water. Now, finding a hammer, a large hammer, 650 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 2: gonna have some weight on it. It's not going to 651 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 2: drift a whole lot. I don't know how the current moves, 652 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: but I'm guessing it's probably not moving a whole lot. 653 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: No, and then and then once it like I said, 654 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: once it goes, once it starts to drift down, it's 655 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: going it's going to land in this silt, right and 656 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: once it gets embedded in that silt, it ain't going 657 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: to where as a matter of fact, on another interesting point, 658 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: down on the far end of the lake, the western end, 659 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: there is an entire I might be wrong. I think 660 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: it's an entire seven O seven that is beneath the 661 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: water there. And it is. When I say beneath the water, 662 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: it took off from what used it's Huey P. Long. 663 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: It's actually the Louis Armstrong Airport now it's what it's called. 664 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: It used to be called Moison plane took off in 665 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, went off the end of that northern 666 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: runway and just nosedived right into the lake. And I 667 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: don't know that they ever recovered all of the bodies 668 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: out of there, and that plane is still there and 669 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: it's buried in that silt, and so that's how sticky 670 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: this thing is. So the fact that they did recover 671 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: it is quite amazing to me. I'm fascinated, but I 672 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: think that look, you know, David Hernandez has only been charged. 673 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: He remains innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 674 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: But just so we understand, Lisa Hernandez God rest her 675 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: soul has her final fatal diagnosis was blunt force instrument 676 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: and sharp force instrument related death. And David Hernandez was 677 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: actually charged with the second Grey murder and obstruction of justice. 678 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Backs