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Speaker 1: speaking now. The Golf ass Force, you came to my

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Speaker 1: What's going on? How much clay now are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Hi Edwin, how are you doing it? Well? How are you?

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Speaker 1: do that. And I'm a prime example of And at

428
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: that time I didn't really know anyone. I had lost

429
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: contact with the people that I had been telling drugs,

430
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: and so he was very difficult for me to say, Okay,

431
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: well this Joe blow here, you know he's selling drugs

432
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: or you know this is a guy John. You know,

433
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: he's also saying I couldn't say that. I mean, there

434
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: was no way that I could have given him any

435
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: type of information even if I wanted to. So I

436
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: ended up happening is in my ignorance, you know, I

437
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: decided to go to trials, and that was the worst

438
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: decision that I could have made in my life. You know,

439
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the ramifications were going to be.

440
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: My attorney basically didn't present any type of witnesses on

441
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: the witness stand. He told me not to testify. There

442
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: wasn't any evidence that shown, you know, to try to

443
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: demonstrate my innocence. Yeah, no physical evidence. Nothing was found.

444
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, nothing was found. No, of course not

445
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: if anything would have been found, then I guess again,

446
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: you have to understand that I was ignorant to the law.

447
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: I was twenty eight, twenty years old, and I mean

448
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: there was no way I couldn't. I mean, I don't

449
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: know how to um basically believe that they could have

450
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: find me guilty of it. Could have said okay, well

451
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: we're going to convict you based on over the mouth,

452
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: and I didn't understand that. But again I had to

453
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: learn that the hardware, and I have learned that the hardware.

454
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: But most people think of the judicial system, if they

455
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: don't have any evidence, what are they going to hold

456
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: against me? And you know, you were just operating under

457
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: the assumption that I think most people have, you know,

458
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: most Americans have, and so really your only way out

459
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: of the situation was for you to give somebody else

460
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: up and continue this psychic wow exactly. And I couldn't,

461
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean even if I wanted to. I mean again,

462
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: the people, the leaders of the conspiracy, the leaders in

463
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: my case, I wasn't a leader, the leaders in my case.

464
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: Basically I had been arrested and other among others, and

465
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: that this call is from a federal prison operating and trying,

466
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, to try to get their centers reduce. So

467
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: here I come. You know, I'm arrested. I'm not a

468
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: leader of the conspiracy of the or the case, and

469
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm trying to prove my innocence. So

470
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: the government uses all the testimony from them to basically

471
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: label me as the guy that was in charge when

472
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't. And they know that. And even in my case,

473
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: if you read the transcripts of my situation, I mean,

474
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: on my case in my trial, you're gonna basically easily

475
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: come to understand it. That's the case. You know that

476
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't a leader. And it was kind of ironic

477
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: now is that the leaders of the organization, or the

478
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: leaders of the or my case in my case, have

479
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: been released, every single one of them. The actual people

480
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: that were doing this whole thing, making the connections, making

481
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: the deals, doing whatever else intimidating you, are able to

482
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: walk free because they have, you know, higher paid attorneys.

483
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: They understand what's going on, and they had information to

484
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 1: flip on people that were actually less culpable in this

485
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: whole thing. I mean, yes, because of the reason that

486
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't cooperate with them and I couldn't flip you know,

487
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: all the you know, I couldn't flip in his nature

488
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: on other people. And that's one of the main reasons why,

489
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: you know, I received such a harsh sentence. You know,

490
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: I proceeded to trial, and you know, they gave me

491
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: every single type of enhancements that they could have gave me.

492
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: They game me abstructional justice, they gave me leadership role,

493
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: they gave me a gun that they didn't exist because

494
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: I was never found with any type of weapons, but

495
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: people testified and they said, oh, yes, yeah, he had

496
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: he had a gun sometimes. Yeah, and that's and they'll

497
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: use all of that information to basically enhance your sentence. Yeah,

498
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: it's incredible. You know. By now I have already done,

499
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, over twenty four years and two months to

500
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: the day, I have been imprisoned, you know, serving this

501
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: non violent cannabis off you know, for this non violent

502
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: cannabis offense. And I still have ten years left to go.

503
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: But it doesn't defeat me, you know, because for the

504
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: simple fact is you know, yes, I mean when I

505
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: first came into a prison, I was extremely depressed, and

506
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: I was distraught, and I still struggling with drug addiction.

507
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: And you know, the demons that I was dealing out

508
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: in the streets. I was still dealing with them in prison,

509
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: and to the point that it became very unbearable. You know,

510
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: there was a time, you know, the first year and

511
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: a half two years was extremely difficult that I even

512
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: tried to commit suicide, you know, I try to take

513
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: my own life. I couldn't face the fact that I

514
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: was looking, you know, to my release date that was

515
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: going to be thirty five years later. I mean, my

516
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: mother was suffering, you know, and my children, my ex

517
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: wife were left out on the street. I mean it

518
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: was horrible. I mean, and there was nothing I could

519
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: do about it. I mean, all I could do was called,

520
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, them on the phone for fifteen minutes, just

521
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: as I'm doing that, as just as I'm doing that

522
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: right now, you know, and talk to them. And I

523
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: didn't really do much for them. Yeah, and this all

524
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: costs significant money. You know, I work in criminal justice policy,

525
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: so I'm aware, you know, you know, commissary items. It's

526
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: the phone calls, it's the video chats, it's emails. They

527
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: call them stamps where you have to buy stamps just

528
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: to send an email. If you want to send an

529
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: attachment to an email that's another stamp. And so you know, I,

530
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, we read about how you were trying to

531
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to better yourself in there, and

532
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to go through college courses and all these

533
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: different things, but you had to essentially choose between you know,

534
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: eating sometimes um or sending an email or um getting

535
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: tuition bits and things like that. Can you talk a

536
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit about some of those kind of struggles that

537
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: you've had with that whole area of the prison system.

538
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I'm just I'm about to play break

539
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: down crying because you know, it's just it's so hard,

540
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, at the times that I have found myself

541
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: going through that in and I had to make a choice,

542
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, to either you know, purchase some things, or

543
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, or purchase my college books. And but again,

544
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: I haven't given up, you know, I haven't allowed my

545
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: circumstances to defeat me. M You know, I have tried,

546
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, through my face and my perseverance to try

547
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: to make something of myself. You know, despite being behind

548
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: Edwin is we got people listening here. What is something

549
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: we can do to help? What is something that people

550
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: listening at home can do to help in any capacity.

551
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: The thing that I request for people is to sponsor me.

552
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: But our request is for people to raise a race,

553
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: a voice, to basically to say, enough is enough? Why

554
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: are you keeping this man behind prison bars? When this

555
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: man has been truly rehabilitated. This man has accomplished more

556
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: than anyone could accomplish under those dire conditions. Yes, that's

557
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: what I want people to basically know. This call is

558
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: from a federal prison. I mean, it's unfair. I mean,

559
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, people don't really have a clear

560
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: picture of what a prisoner actually goes through behind the fence,

561
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't. Of course, we have different

562
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 1: programs that show up in the violent um you know,

563
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: notion or angle of what takes place behind prison walls

564
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: that you know, they never really demonstrate the emotional turmoil,

565
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: the anguish, and the mental anguish that our prisoner goes

566
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: through when he's being deprived of having that affection of

567
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: hugging their loved ones, of having that social connection with

568
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: the people that he loves. You know, those are the

569
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: things that they don't demonstrate, and those are the things

570
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: that I believe affects a lot of people behind prison walls.

571
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: You know you have people in here suffering from PTSD.

572
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: You have people are here taking medication, and you know

573
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: you have people here breaking down sometimes and going to

574
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: suicide watch. That happened to me when I first came

575
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: into prison, and like I said, I wanted to take

576
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: my own life. I just couldn't fathom the notion that

577
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in prison for forty years and

578
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: it was just insane. And that's probably compounded by the

579
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: fact that you're innocent for most of the things, the

580
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: gun and the hearsay, and they caught you with no evidence,

581
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: so or you're you're doing you did something that other

582
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: people are making millions of dollars off of right now.

583
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: It's an unjust system, to say the least. Is there

584
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: any way do you want people to contact you or

585
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: email or I don't know how ye, any any other

586
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: ways that yeah, we can go out or anything you'd

587
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: like to say before we go here? Yes, um, there

588
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: is there is an email address on my brothers and

589
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: our ministers and it's called Edwin Rubies at a or

590
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: L dot com. Okay, okay, yeah, we'll plug that in

591
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: our podcast link and everything else. We'll we'll put that

592
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: in there and so people can this call it's from

593
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: a federal prison. Really greatly appreciate you're giving me the

594
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: time to be able to speak with you. No, thank you,

595
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: It means it means a lot, you know. In one

596
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: last thing that I would like to say, if you

597
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: will allow me to, yes, please, that the fact that

598
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: you know when I communicate with people, when I speak

599
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: to people over the phone, as I'm speaking to you

600
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: right now, to me, that is oxygen to my lungs.

601
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: That is life given to me because I come to

602
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: think of it as a way of knowing that there's

603
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: a world for me out there waiting on me, and

604
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: that I'm not just here in prison, and that this

605
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: is my life. Because you have to understand the perception

606
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: of living behind personal walls for almost twenty five years

607
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: and not knowing when you're going to be able to

608
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: see society again. You know, by the time I get out,

609
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to be sixty three years old if I

610
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: have to do the remaining of my sentence, and by

611
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: that time, I would have spent thirty four years prison

612
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: for a non violent cannabis offense. And to me, that

613
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: is harsh. I mean, it's inexplicable. So when I speak

614
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: to people like you, and I speak to other people

615
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, from society, it gives me hope and that

616
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: is what keeps me going. It gives me faith to

617
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: know that one day I would be a to speak

618
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: to you personally out there in the streets. Well yeah,

619
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: when when that happens, I'll be there because I would

620
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: love to shake your hand and give you a hug

621
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: for everything you're doing, you know, and hopefully, you know,

622
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: we can get your home a little bit earlier with

623
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: all the you know, support that you're getting out here.

624
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, man, yeah, we see what you're doing.

625
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Love what you're doing, and uh, we're gonna do everything

626
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: we can to get the word out. And thank you.

627
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you would want to tell the

628
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: people out there listening? All right, I love each one

629
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: of you. That's all I want to say. I love

630
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: each one of you. Amen, Thank you, thank you, thank you,

631
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Man, thank you, thank you. We'll

632
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: be right back with the War on Drugs podcast. Well

633
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: it's um it's uh man y yeah, that was that

634
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: was That was That was tough because you hear it,

635
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: but it's different hearing it from somebody in there being

636
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: reminded that they're in there, and then uh yeah. At

637
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: one point while he was talking, I just I felt,

638
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: I can I can see myself in that situation, Like

639
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: nobody would want to do any of those things he's

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Speaker 1: describing for one to two years, let alone twenty four, right,

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Speaker 1: and like the hypocrisy of it all, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: this morning where I'm getting ready to come over here

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Speaker 1: to the studio to record, and we're about to this thing,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I see it's like nine to forty

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, the market's open for the stock markets,

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Speaker 1: like let's see how much money I've already lost, and

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Speaker 1: cannabis stocks I'm looking at them, and how crazy is

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Speaker 1: that that publicly traded entities, right, profiting off of sales

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Speaker 1: of legal marijuana in this country, in Canada and all

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Speaker 1: over the world. And then there's an individual there that's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot um. So that's you know,

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Speaker 1: as we think that we're moving towards a more actual

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Speaker 1: system or legalizing marijuana is going to be you know,

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Speaker 1: everything's all good. There are still thousands of people like Edwin,

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Speaker 1: and cars are at the state and federal level for

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Speaker 1: things that are now completely legal. Right. Um, it's just wrong.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully you know, things can things can change and

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Speaker 1: and folks like him can get home. Yeah, and with

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Speaker 1: people like us and the people listening, maybe we can

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Speaker 1: you know, change the course. Yeah, I mean again, call

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Speaker 1: your congress people, call the free presidents, call the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice, like getting up support for this. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: it does work, um, and it can help. And so

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Speaker 1: it's just a case that um, you know, really really

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Speaker 1: impact me. I know, I know it's impact both of

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Speaker 1: us just talking to him. So I hope that comes through. Um,

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Speaker 1: I hope you. I hope this drives you to want

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Speaker 1: get people like him home, and so you know we

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Speaker 1: positive impact in our lives. I think he'd be a

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