1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you Should Know Episode three. Well, 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying it is so now it's episode episode three 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: something three niner eight or that's good, Josh? Is that 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: your intro? Rocking and a rolling, splihing in the splashing 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: over the horizon? What could it be? Look like it's 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: gonna be a new country? Do you remember that one? Now? 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That idea? That was the 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: the schoolhouse rock for the Mayflower Voyage? Really rocking in 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: a roll and splashing in the splash, and you remember 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: that good coming over the horizon? What could it be? 15 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: Look like it's going to be a free country or 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: new country? Either way, it was both new and probably 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: knew because it was not free for everybody. That's true. 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: So you're talking about this because we're going to talk 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: about the first murderer? Right yeah? And before we start, 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask why has no one ever made 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: a modern film about the Mayflower Voyage. It seems like 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: a no brainer, you know. Yeah, I don't know, especially 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: after gotting around to you yet. Like the awesomeness of 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: Master and Commander. Did you ever see that, the one 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: with um Russell Crowe? Yeah, it was very good, surprisingly good. Yeah, 26 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: it surprised me too. Actually, I didn't get the colon. 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: It made it sound like it was a franchise, but 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: it was like the first of the franchise. It wasn't like, Oh, 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess parts of the Caribbean did have 30 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: a call in the first one, didn't it. I don't know. Huh. 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: But Master, that was Peter we Are Master and Commander, 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: So it makes sense that it was awesome because he's 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: such a great director and related to bobwe right, I think, really, 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think so. I've always suspected. 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: Did he do the Treaman show? Uh? That was written 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: by we did Gattica. I don't know who directed that. 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: That might have been Peter Weir, but he did Gallipoly 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: and U like scores of great movies. Well cool, Well, 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us at this discussion of Peter 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: Weird's films. He should direct the Mayflier movie was what 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. For goodness sakes, Okay, they need to do 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 1: it like a realistic because you know, when you learned 43 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: about it in school at least I did. I thought, 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, you learned about it from Schoolhouse Rock, and 45 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: you get the picture. They sang songs and kind of 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: rock and rolled over the ocean and then ran into 47 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Plymouth rock and shared Thanksgiving with the Indians, and they 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: need to make a real movie about how it really was. Well, yeah, 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: because you know, that whole Schoolhouse Rock impression is pretty 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: widely held even among adults, educated adults. And the reason 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: why is because there's a very small amount of firsthand 52 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: information that left Plymouth call any right um and was 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: allowed to stand. There was a small group of people 54 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: who were controlling all of the info about that place, 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: and they were trying to paint it in as good 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: as light as possible because they were trying to attract investors. 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: And these firsthand accounts that you know, basically painted the 58 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: Puritans as you know, these hard scrapple people who were 59 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: um guided by a divine hand in the wilderness. Has 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: stood all these centuries hard scrapple. So let's talk about 61 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about the Pilgrims the voyage, right, They landed 62 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: in sixty just as a quick primer um. And they 63 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: were Pilgrims. They were Puritans separatists, as they were often called. 64 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: They were people who were so pious that no one 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: in all of Europe was pious enough to contend with them. 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: And they were like, I'm sick of all you sinners. 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Were going to go found a new um, a new 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: republic in the in the name and for the glory 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: of God, and we're going to be really, really good, 70 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: and we're going to do it in the new world. 71 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: And that that's what they did. They sailed over to 72 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: Massachusetts and landed in Plymouth, as it turns out, nice 73 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: place to land, I imagine. And uh, welch, I mean, 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: are we going to get to the murder a guy 75 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: right away or should we just ease into that. Well, 76 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: let's talk about who was there. It wasn't just Puritans, 77 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't just separatists. There's a whole other group of 78 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: people who don't get talked about a lot. Uh. And 79 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: they were called the strangers. Yeah, that sounded really creepy 80 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: when I read it. For some reason, I think it 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: sounds cool. I think it sounds creepy. Like they look 82 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: like they should have been dressed in like like the 83 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: pilgrim black, like with why brim hats that you can't 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: see their eyes. Yeah, what was the deal with them? 85 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: Were they Catholic? They were anything but the separatists of 86 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: the Puritans. So they were Catholics, They were sailors, they 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: were um Africans, they were whoever kidnapped Indians. I don't 88 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: know if all those people were on the main Flower, 89 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: but there it was. There was a bunch of people, 90 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: you know, I got them over there. He went with them. 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: And the Puritans were pretty rigid. Obviously they didn't like 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: Catholics at all. They were indeed extremely rigid. But to 93 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: this degree is we'll see, um. They they they found 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: that like, no nobody's this rigid. And there were a 95 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: lot of strangers who broke a lot of laws. But um, 96 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: there are a lot of Puritans who did too, um 97 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: and they just kind of glossed it over. They kept records, 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: but these things just didn't get promoted. Right. Yeah, Mort's relation. Yes, 99 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: so you're talking about mort relation. Written in sixteen twenty 100 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: two by William Bradford, who was clearly the governor, longtime 101 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: governor of Plymouth. His cousin George Morton wrote he was 102 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: a separatist and he wrote this book or an account, 103 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: and that was that sort of looked at as the 104 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: account of Plymouth. But as it turns out, as you 105 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: point out, because you wrote this um works relation was 106 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: written to attract funding, right for Plymouth. So it was 107 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: basically like a lengthy, in depth brochure to attract investors. 108 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: And what are you going to say. You're not going 109 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: to say, we're starving to death over here, we're having 110 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: a really hard time, we're probably not going to make it. 111 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: People are committing bestiality, yes, buggery is what they call 112 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: the huh And we'll get to that and then okay, um, 113 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: And they're not going to say this. They're going to 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: say things are great, we're really you know, living and 115 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: by God's will, we're really just making it over here, 116 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: and we need some more money. Yeah. Yeah, so that 117 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: means take take it with a grain of salt. They 118 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: but they didn't just pretend like the strangers weren't there, 119 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: but they painted some of the strangers in possibly less 120 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: than flattering light, right, Yeah, I mean, are we at 121 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: the Billington's Inn, might as well be the Billington's the family, 122 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: John Billington's, his wife um eleanor his son's little John 123 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: John Jr. And Francis who was a boy his other son. 124 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: They were sort of painted as like reading your reading 125 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: your article. They sort of seem like, on one hand, 126 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: like the first white trash, you know, that's one way 127 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: to put it, and then they also sort of seem like, no, 128 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, they might have been kind of cool and 129 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: just rabble rousers. Yeah, or yes, I think that that's 130 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: very accurate. But they definitely weren't any friends of Bradford 131 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: that he did not like these people. No, he didn't. 132 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: He called um He wrote in a letter to a 133 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: Mr Cushing I believe uh that who had some sort 134 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: of authority I guess in the over the colony in 135 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: back in England. But he basically says that Billington's still 136 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: rails against you and that he's a nave, which means 137 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: a scoundrel, and he'll always be a nave. He'll live 138 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: and dies so and and as so he'll live and die. Yeah, 139 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: that was Cushman. By the way, they cute same thing. 140 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: And uh he also said he quote he said they 141 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: were one of the profanest families to come to the colony. 142 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just John, I mean they didn't. He 143 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: didn't like any of them. His kids were a bit 144 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: of a handful too, well, one of them. It doesn't 145 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: say who in the records, but on the way over, 146 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: Um decided that he was going to shoot off his 147 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: father's musket, right gun in a cabin filled with people, 148 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: which is bad enough, but he did it right next 149 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: to a open, half filled keg of gunpowder, right, so 150 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: he almost just blew the whole Mayflower up and history 151 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: would have changed forever probably. So that was the first 152 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: thing that happened with the Billington's and the rest of 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: the people on the Mayflower. Yes, no, actually it wasn't. 154 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: There was part. There was a mutiny that John Billington's, 155 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: the father was involved in Um and he was he 156 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: was let off the hook because it was his first offense. 157 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: But he uh he that that started. Tensions were already high. 158 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: And then one of his sons, either Francis or John Jr. 159 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: Shot off the gun in the camp. So you start 160 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: to get an impression of this family, especially when you 161 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: look at you know when you think of them bristling, 162 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: not just the average persons, you know, right, ire, Yeah, yeah, 163 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: but a puritan's hire, right, because you can screw up 164 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: like innumerable ways in the eyes of a Puritan, especially 165 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: if you're not a Puritan, That's right. And then once 166 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: they got to the New World, Uh, they continue their shenanigans. 167 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: John Jr. Kind of wandered off one day twenty miles 168 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: worth and wandered into a Native American village, and then 169 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: he was taken to another village by those Native Americans. 170 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: And eventually they sent out a group to go find 171 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: him and took him a little while they set sail, 172 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: actually ended up on Cape Cod what is now Cape 173 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Cod and uh said, you know you're gonna have to 174 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: come back, yes, And they found him because of Massa Swat, 175 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: who was the great statum of the Wappanoag Wapag. Yeah, 176 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: well panel Wag or get an email for that one 177 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: um who was involved in the first Thanksgiving with these 178 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: same people. So he might have had something to do 179 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: with that, then, Uh, well he did. He was already 180 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: like he he basically was um trying to use the 181 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: Englishman against his rivals. I think the Abenaki um to 182 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: basically run them out rather than consolidate with the other 183 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: Indians against the English, and basically that turned over the 184 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: whole continent to Europe. Like that one act is largely 185 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: considered as the the turning point. So he was already 186 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: pals with him, um and uh so he helped him 187 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: find the boy. And if you're from Plymouth, if you 188 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: live in the Plymouth area, then you might know Billington see, 189 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: which is a pond and that's name for John Jr. Yeah, 190 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: who wandered off right. Yeah, I think that he might 191 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: have found that. I mean, you know, he discovered the pond, 192 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: but he may have discovered it on his wander right, 193 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: his sojourn. Yeah, but they found him and he was 194 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: quote be hung with beads. So apparently they you know, 195 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: kind of adopted him a little bit like he was 196 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: the mascot and yeah, and then they gave him back. Yeah, 197 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: and then the I think that the colonists gave the 198 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: Indians and a couple of knives and said thanks and 199 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: went back to Plymouth, thanks for the beads and the guy. 200 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: But you have to imagine that mounting a ten man 201 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: sailing expedition into Indian country. Um, because your kid wandered off, 202 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna you're gonna You're gonna rub the back of 203 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: your neck and be like a lot. Uh yeah, you know, 204 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: if you're a Billington and she like, thanks for getting 205 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: my kids back, you know, can I do I owe 206 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: you anything? Or you know? Not so though, because Billington 207 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: uh had a bad reputation and that he scoffed at 208 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: Captain Miles Standish and you don't scoff at Standish Miles 209 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: Standish proud Miles Standard was trying to get people to 210 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: uh to you know, serve in the military, and Bill 211 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: and was like, no, dude, I'm not doing that. He 212 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: was a part of anti government groups. Government subversion, well 213 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: there was in sixty four there was called what's called 214 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: the Old woman Lyford Conspiracy. That was the name of 215 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: the two main conspirators. He was named as a co conspirator. 216 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: And reading his history and then this, you know, the 217 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: the actual history of this conspiracy, which is a lot 218 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: of secret meetings about how they should overthrow this Puritan 219 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: regime and start governing this colony the right way. Um, 220 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: he was probably a part of it, but he denied 221 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: it and and was let off the hook again. Well, 222 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: and he he was also apologized for the UM for 223 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: standing up against Standish, and they said they threatened him 224 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: with hog tyme, which can actually kill you. I didn't 225 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: realize that I could see that could what you're all 226 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: your weights on your chest right, Well, it's they tie 227 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: your legs together, they tie your arms behind your back, 228 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: and then they tie your ankles to your neck around 229 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: your neck. What So, unless you stay completely arched like that, 230 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna start cutting off circulation. Like it's a form 231 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: of torture. It's not just how we're gonna tie you up. Well, 232 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: the that whole second step has been kind of lost 233 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: to history as I understand it. Well, now is it 234 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: just tying the hands and tie your your hands and 235 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: your ankles, your wrists and your ankles together behind your back, 236 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, you're arched, but I don't know anything about 237 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: tying the ankles around that. That's horrible. Apparently the old 238 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: hog tie is a little more brutal. Yeah, which makes 239 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: total sense. Which also makes sense why he's described as 240 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: basically like pleading for mercy not to have that happened 241 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: to him, and which is why they let him go. Yeah, 242 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: Miles Stands is like, all right, but get out of 243 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: my sight Billington, And I mean, like there's really there's 244 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: there's we can't forget. We can't leave out the fact 245 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: that these people were original Plymouth colonists, Like they were 246 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: the first he's on the charter, the first European, the 247 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: first English European Americans, and the first what would become 248 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: one of the first states of America. Like, these are 249 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: important people, no matter what their reputations are. He was 250 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: the signer of the Mayflower Compact, which is the first 251 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: um European based governing law. I guess you would call 252 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: it of laws um. And he was he was. He 253 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: helped Hugh the colony out of the wilderness. He was 254 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: one of the colonists, right, yeah. And there's a pdf 255 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: online I found that traces his family tree and apparently 256 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: James Garfield, the President, was a descendant of Billington and 257 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: it I mean, if you're I wish I would have 258 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: written down some of the last names. I know Witten 259 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: was one of them, but I mean there are people 260 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: that have said, like still alive today, Oh yeah, there's 261 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: an apparently I remember researching this. I couldn't find it 262 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: when I reresearched for this podcast. But there's like a 263 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: whole up of people who are into that kind of thing. 264 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: We're proudly ancestors of Billington's this rabble rous of the 265 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: first like real troublemaker in America. Well, people are proud 266 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: period just to be descendants of the Plymouth colonists for sure. 267 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: So um, but you you, I hopefully everybody has like 268 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: kind of an idea of how Billington and his family 269 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: were regarded. Right, Well, we didn't get to his wife 270 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: and daughter. I know that was after what he could. 271 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: His wife was Eleanor was locked in the stocks and 272 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: whipped at one point. She was also had to pay 273 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: fines of five pounds sterling because she was found guilty 274 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: of slandering her neighbors. And his granddaughter Dorcas. I love that. 275 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: There's only one way to pronounce that, right, yeah, d 276 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: O r c As. I'm gonna bring that one back. 277 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: If I ever had a daughter, she's gonna be Dorcas Bryant. Uh. 278 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Dorcas apparently was sentenced to whipping because she um had 279 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: sexual intercourse. She was twenty two years old, and he 280 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: didn't do that. So um, yeah, the whole family was 281 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: definitely not. They didn't fall in line with with the 282 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: rest of the crowd. Although that's that's not true because 283 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the rest of the crowd was doing 284 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: even worse things. As it turns out, you just didn't 285 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: read it in the brochure, right, So can we talk 286 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: about some of the stuff that people were doing please? Okay. 287 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: So remember by there's still only seven and fifty five 288 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: people in Ploymouth Colony. Okay, so this this stuff is 289 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: happening like twenty fifty years before that the way fewer people. 290 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: And yet there were incidents where people like Thomas Granger, 291 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: who was a servant UM was indicted for buggery which 292 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: we established before it was beastiality with a mayor, a cow, 293 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: two goats, diverse sheep, two calves, and a turkey he 294 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: fell in love with. He he was sentenced to hang 295 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: by Um are sentenced to die by hanging John Walker 296 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: the next year turkey he yes, um, he was. He 297 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: laid with a bitch as it's uh put and of 298 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: course we mean the the well the pilgrims meant the dog, 299 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: the female dog. Um. Another guy was was he was 300 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: held on suspicion of buggery with the beast. Another guy 301 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: had buggery with the mayor, and it just keeps going 302 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: on and going on. So basically somebody would get caught 303 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: sleeping with a dog and would be whipped, put into 304 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: the stocks, pilloried, um, and it was just recorded but 305 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: never talked about. Yeah, there was also rape in sodomy 306 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: against humans. Yeah. The the way they put sodomy was 307 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: that they were um. These John Alexander and Thomas Roberts 308 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: back in sixty seven were caught um and they got 309 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: the hot irons, which wow, is that's rough. So you 310 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: hear about this stuff and you think Dorcas doing you know, 311 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: sleeping with a man, I presume is a very normal 312 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: thing for twenty two year old middle aged woman to do. 313 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: Right at the time. Yes, she's not, she's not laying 314 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: down with the turkeys. No, so Eleanor got put in 315 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: the stocks for slander, right, Yeah, there's no recording of 316 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: what she said or basically we've reached this point here 317 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: where we should probably talk about what John Billington did. Okay, 318 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: because now that we debunk the fact that not everyone 319 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: was super pure and you can't necessarily read uh Mort's 320 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: relation and the brochure and say, you know, everything was 321 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: just hunky dory over there. This maybe actually, maybe this 322 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: is why the movie hasn't been made because he wants 323 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: to see a guy sleeping with the turkey. I don't know. 324 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: I think there's a market that you paid a lot 325 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: for it. You know, it's a market for that, but 326 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: it's not the box office grossing record breaking numbers. Peter 327 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: Weir wouldn't touchdown or not what the didn' football? So, um, 328 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: we should probably talk about how Billington became America's first murderer. 329 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: It took it took place what ten years after he 330 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: got there, So you have to think, like, this guy's 331 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: an original settler and he's been farming and hewing an 332 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: existence out for himself and other people. And as a 333 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: h an original Mayflower compact signer, he got a bunch 334 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: of land parcel to him, like this is probably ten's 335 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: land now. So but while he made an enemy, clearly 336 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: one real enemy. He made quite a few, Bradford being 337 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: one of them. But he made one enemy named John Newcomen, 338 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: who was a newcomer as it turns out, to Plymouth. Um, 339 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: he hadn't been there for ten years and it seems 340 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: like history is a little sketchy because, like you said, 341 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: it's not all like recorded at that point. But one 342 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: thing I read was that it was possibly over hunting rights, 343 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know how true that is. It is true, 344 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, there there's I When I was going 345 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: back and um reading the the source material for this, 346 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, why did I Why was I so vague 347 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: when I wrote this article? Because it did that confirm? 348 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: Did it confirm that? Yeah? Well so in the Bradford's 349 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: version basically is like this, he wayed at Billingtons Waylade Newcoming, 350 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: which we should explain what waylate is. Waylade is like 351 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: basically lying in wait and then murdering, like hiding in 352 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: the bush. It premeditated. It's huge if you read a 353 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: stranger's account. There's an account by a stranger and I 354 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: don't know who. Um it's not in this, not in 355 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: the source I cited, but um it's It talks about 356 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: how Newcoming was already known to Billington's because he um 357 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: he used to steal from Billington's traps, he poached on 358 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: his land and um Billington had chased the kid off 359 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of times newcomers seventeen at the time. He 360 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: was a little jerk basically, and he was what the 361 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: strangers called a saint, which meant you were in good 362 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: with Bradford because you're a Puritan, and compared to a stranger, 363 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: you had exponentially more rights and you got away with 364 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: exponentially more stuff. Okay, So here's Billington, who already has 365 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: a bad reputation, and there's some little seventeen year old 366 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: punk kid stealing from his traps who's chased off time 367 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: and time and time again, and um, he catches him there. 368 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: So he goes after him with his gun, and the 369 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: kid goes and hides behind a tree, and Billington shoots 370 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: at the tree. I don't know if he meant to 371 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: shoot at the kid. Apparently he's a pretty good marks mint, 372 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: but he hit the kid in the shoulder, not exactly 373 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: a lethal shot. Today. Well, the kid died in like 374 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: three days of an infection. That's how the America's first 375 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: murder took place. And it was apparently with a blunderbuss. 376 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of these guns? Is that the 377 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: one with the big sort of like pilgrim hunting with yeah, 378 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, it's not like an elephant gun, 379 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: but if it does flare out at the end, and 380 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: it's sort of, um, what would be considered today, it's 381 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: sort of like a sawed off shotgun. So like it 382 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: was a musket, but it was short and flared, and 383 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: so I imagine it it had a wider spray, even 384 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: though it wasn't well it wouldn't be a spray because 385 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: they didn't use pellets, but they compared it to a 386 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: sawed off shotgun. And what I read hand on the 387 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: pump exactly. So, um, that's how the first murder took place. 388 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: I get the impression. Billington, who was also um described 389 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: as um beloved by many in another account by a 390 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: stranger kind of a satirical take on Plymouth colony. Yeah, 391 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: Thomas Morton in the New English Canaan said that he 392 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: was a beloved dude. He was beloved by many. Basically, 393 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: if you were a stranger, you probably like Billington's He 394 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: sounded like a kind of a fun guy to be honest. 395 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: I know he's the first murderer, but he's a rebbel 396 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: rouser that's into associate with those types. Well, Billington thinks 397 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: that because of the um, the fact that they need people, 398 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: they're still each individual is very important. UM. And that 399 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: this kid had been really it was the kid's fault 400 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 1: that he was on his property. Billington and warned him, 401 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: all warned him all that he would he would be 402 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: spared his life. Well, no, Governor Bradford himself was the 403 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: one who ordered him to death, and he didn't like 404 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: him to begin with. So right, So this is um 405 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: what you could call unfair to a certain extent perhaps. 406 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: And not only did Bradford sentence his longtime enemy or 407 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: somebody he disdained for many years to death, he was 408 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: also the one who literally wrote the history. In addition 409 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: to what is it Morts what mort retort? Uh? Not 410 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: Mort's retort? I was kidding most mort relation, Okay. So 411 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: in addition to Morts relation, the other probably largest cited 412 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: um firsthand account of Plymouth plantation is called of Planmouth Plantation. 413 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: It's Bradford's own journal. So he literally wrote the history 414 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: for Plymouth. And of course he's going to paint it 415 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: in his He's gonna paint himself and his fellows in 416 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: the best light. And that's what we go on and 417 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: Billington in a poor light because he sent him the hang. 418 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: So I think if anything, this um was the episode 419 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: intended to tell you to always take historical accounts of 420 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: the Green Stall, especially the old ones. There's always two 421 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: sides to every story, and the three stooges actually get 422 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: better as you age stuff. You should know you got 423 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: anything else. Nope. If you want to learn more about 424 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: America's first murderer, type America's first murderer America. I'm gonna 425 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: have be trouble saying that. These days you can type 426 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: that in the hand You can type wherever you want, 427 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: but you're gonna get the best result if you type 428 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: it in the handy search bart how stuff works dot 429 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: com uh, and then of course brings up listener mail. Yes, Josh, 430 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this nicotine poisoning from Aaron. A couple 431 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: of years ago, guys who came home from university to 432 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: find my key, we roommate, working away in the kitchen. 433 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: He decided to bake brownies for the first time, and 434 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: I hurried upstairs to try some, because you want to 435 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: support his friend. Quickly, I was overwhelmed by a sour taste, 436 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: which was only mildly canceled out by the cherries which 437 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: were mixed in with the batter. It was very close 438 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: to spitting it out when my roommate walked in and said, 439 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: what do you think. I didn't want to insult them, 440 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: so I popped the rest of it in my mouth 441 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: and said I could use a little more sugar. I 442 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: left the room, and that's when everything got hazy. What 443 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: I do remember is my roommates bursting into my room. 444 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: This is crazy. They found me curled up into a 445 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: ball with my head between my knees, rocking slowly. I 446 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: was covered in sweat and muttering to myself, letting out 447 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: loud moans, which is apparently what alerted my roommates when 448 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: they opened the door. They flooded the room with light, 449 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: caused intense pain in my head and for some reason 450 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: in my stumm I not really thinking. I bolted to 451 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: the bathroom and induced vomiting trying to get all the 452 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: evil out of me. I was exhausted, laying on the 453 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: floor trying to figure out what was wrong. Apparently, there 454 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: were two boxes on the table, did you read this? 455 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: One one containing brownies and one with shisha tobacco destined 456 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: for the hookah that they kept in their house, Clark, 457 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: In my haste, I accidentally consumed about three ounces of 458 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: cherry tobacco mix that was destined for the hookah. I'm 459 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: not sure exactly how much nicotine my body absorbed in 460 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: the hour or so it was in me, but when 461 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: I stood up, I promptly passed out and, according to 462 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: my roommates, started convulsion on the floor. They wanted to 463 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: take me to the hospital, of course, but I refused, 464 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: being the bull headed midwesterner I sometimes can be, or 465 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: the college student who doesn't want to pay for that 466 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: kind of When I did go to the hospital the 467 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: next morning explain the situation to the e R Tech, 468 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: they immediately took my vital sin said I was lucky, 469 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: lucky to have survived without any serious complications, uh that 470 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: it very well could have been a fatal dose. And 471 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: all I can say is, if you're ever in the 472 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: same situation, air on the side of caution, called poison 473 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: control right away. And He's lucky that his roommates one 474 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: of them at e M T training because it could 475 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: have gone the other way. And Aaron might not be 476 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: a fan of our podcast today Man the eight who 477 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: gets tobacco pot it in his mouth and said it 478 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: needs a little more sugar. Wow. So okay. 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