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Speaker 1: See you March twenty second, and once again, it's been
Speaker 1: ever so long, ever so long, twenty four hours. Not
Speaker 1: even what am I looking for? Oh shadow? You know
Speaker 1: it's a show about a girl and a bunch of
Speaker 1: other shadow hunters. And no it wasn't. When I watched
Speaker 1: it. It It was about really love this young shadow. On
Speaker 1: two is life destroyed by this irritating redhead? Came out?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that happens sometimes. It happens maya Maximum Coppa,
Speaker 1: which happens to be the name of this episode. Very good,
Speaker 1: so here we are at the second half of This
Speaker 1: is our our mid season premiere of season two, Season
Speaker 1: two episode eleven, Maya Maximum copa air date originally June
Speaker 1: Fish Fish Fish. I didn't even know that was a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't know. June fifth, twenty seventeen. Written
Speaker 1: by Michael Yay, director Matthew Hastings. Also Yea starring Katain McNamara,
Speaker 1: Dominic Show, What, Albert Rosetti, math Aarabia Isamastafa and Harry
Speaker 1: Sham Junior guest starring Alan Ben Sprang, Alexandra Ordolus, Alicia Wainwright,
Speaker 1: Brett Donahue, David Castro, Mimi Cusic, I think, Will Tutor,
Speaker 1: Noah Dalton, Danby, Ryan Graham, Chris George, and Jacob Skiba.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we are getting into the nitty gritty.
Speaker 1: Oh a favorite people ever on the show. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: is a new a whole new phase, the whole new world.
Speaker 1: This is Alex's first episode. Yes, it's Alex's first episode.
Speaker 1: It's Will's first episode's first episode. No, it's maybe second. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we met me she could when she tried Isabelle. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and we it's also who is Bretnis episode. No it
Speaker 1: was Noah's first episode. I think yea, it was Noah's
Speaker 1: first episode. Maybe. Well, let me tell you what we're
Speaker 1: in for shadow Hunts and down World is a picking
Speaker 1: up the pieces off of Valentine's attack on the Institute.
Speaker 1: Down World and numbers are down, and the different packs
Speaker 1: and clans debate on what they must do to survive.
Speaker 1: With Valentine and Custody the Institute on high alert, but
Speaker 1: Jas carries the heaviest burden of all due to his
Speaker 1: part in igniting the Soul Sword and the secrets he
Speaker 1: is keeping from Clary but Jason, the shadow Hunters don't
Speaker 1: have much time to mourn as the Greater Demon is
Speaker 1: loose in Manhattan. Meanwhile, Izzie struggles on the road to
Speaker 1: recovery when she encounters Sebastian, a mysterious yet very handsome stranger.
Speaker 1: As Simon tries to understand his new daylight to status Wow,
Speaker 1: lots to unpack, lots to unpack, dive on in this
Speaker 1: was This episode starts with one of my favorite five
Speaker 1: scenes we ever did. I was just about to say
Speaker 1: that I loved this fight scene with you and Matt.
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite plan and Matt's such
Speaker 1: a like athlete. Although so we did introduce the twin
Speaker 1: hatchets in this episode, which was very good fun. Guy,
Speaker 1: I got to spread my wings with some different some
Speaker 1: different martial arts with these in potution. But they have these.
Speaker 1: So there's the blade on this side, like on the
Speaker 1: front side, the semicircle, the half moon blade, and then
Speaker 1: there's a pointed section on the back of it, and
Speaker 1: there's one cross block in this an overhead. So he
Speaker 1: comes overhead and I crossed the two axes behind each
Speaker 1: other and block the thing coming in. And every time
Speaker 1: the little back blades would just jab into my knuckles
Speaker 1: and just break the skin, which we didn't really think of,
Speaker 1: but we very rarely did that block again, I can
Speaker 1: tell you that much. Was there ever a fecting where
Speaker 1: you didn't get hurt on the show? Done? No? Not many. No.
Speaker 1: Look at the sort, did you see There's a tight shot,
Speaker 1: a tight profile of your face where the blade is
Speaker 1: in as well, and you can see how beat up
Speaker 1: the blade of the sort is hard. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: then see it once again another fight where you drop
Speaker 1: the blades and then you just start going at it.
Speaker 1: Get to go hand to hand which is good fun. Again,
Speaker 1: this was another level of martial arts the Matt and
Speaker 1: I weren't particularly familiar with. But this was really good fun.
Speaker 1: It was a fun thing to to play around with.
Speaker 1: You actually see the backs of my knuckles at one point,
Speaker 1: like like the penultimate move, you can see the backs
Speaker 1: of my knuckles are still bleeding. But this is an
Speaker 1: interesting one where there's a motion where my right leg
Speaker 1: is behind his head and I slam his face into
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, and there's some real trust that has
Speaker 1: to go into that one. We talk about trust all
Speaker 1: the time, but that's a concrete floor, Like you get
Speaker 1: it wrong and you're gonna you're gonna split something open.
Speaker 1: So to time that correctly. So there's enough pressure that
Speaker 1: looks like it's he's being forced to the ground, but
Speaker 1: also for him to restrain himself and do it. M Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I worked well together. This was good fun. Yeah. It's
Speaker 1: another one of those things where I remember how dark
Speaker 1: alexcited Darren was about this fight too, and just the
Speaker 1: way that he was building. You know, as the scene
Speaker 1: built and as the sort of debate progressed between the
Speaker 1: two of you, so did the fight. And it's about
Speaker 1: that you know, constant getting getting a fist above the other,
Speaker 1: very brotherly. Yeah, it's great, it's great fun. And then
Speaker 1: we progressed to this. So this was another scene that
Speaker 1: we did on our three sixty blue screen. Well, this
Speaker 1: was the I guess two hundred and seventy degree one
Speaker 1: or not. It wasn't quite Yeah, it wasn't quite. It
Speaker 1: was it was a little little what do you call that,
Speaker 1: like a promenade stage. Yeah, sure, I don't called that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but lovely little park in Brooklyn. This
Speaker 1: was one of the only there are very few scenes
Speaker 1: in this show where we get to have Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just just a nice, normal date. It's just a nice,
Speaker 1: normal afternoon. And they always felt so odd because it
Speaker 1: felt like a different show almost, because some people just
Speaker 1: on a park bench having a conversation. There's a hot
Speaker 1: dog vendor, and it's just it just feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: normal mundane life. There's a kid in the back with
Speaker 1: balloons like he's having a good time. Everyone's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and as always, you know, when a relationship is in
Speaker 1: a good place, we are going to go south. It
Speaker 1: is nice, though, to see Simon and Clary just be
Speaker 1: able to enjoy a moment of peace. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: that since the pilot. Really Yeah, and not even all
Speaker 1: the way through the pilot, just like bits of the pilot,
Speaker 1: this hug we finally got in. This was fun. We
Speaker 1: were toying with this idea for like ages, Alberta and
Speaker 1: I and I think we tried to get this hug
Speaker 1: in like ten different times, and they finally let us
Speaker 1: do the fake hug thing, which was really good. It
Speaker 1: was a really cute, cute moment. Yeah. Again, it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you find those little moments of
Speaker 1: physicality that that only happened after working together for years. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is the first time we get to see the
Speaker 1: catacombs jail cell mhmm. Yeah. They built this for this
Speaker 1: for this scene, and then we kept them for quite
Speaker 1: some time. Yeah, this is a cool scene watching Mimi
Speaker 1: and Alan like Canadian like acting royalty go off for
Speaker 1: each other's like a master class of ability. Like these
Speaker 1: guys are so good with each other. It's unreal when
Speaker 1: I'm such huge bands of both of them, you know,
Speaker 1: pre the show, just from watching their passwork and it's
Speaker 1: it was always my favorite thing to get to just
Speaker 1: sit on set and watch them do their thing. Another
Speaker 1: fun fact about this set that viewers may or may
Speaker 1: not know is that all of the tombs and all
Speaker 1: of the names on the catacombs are our crew. So
Speaker 1: the big ones on the floor are our directors of
Speaker 1: photography and our producers and things like this, and then
Speaker 1: all of the catacombs is the hair and nake up department,
Speaker 1: in the grips, in our ad department, and our you know,
Speaker 1: our entire crew all got their names somewhere in the catacombs.
Speaker 1: If you look closely, might fail to catch it. In fact,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of cool little set pieces here,
Speaker 1: So one an interesting thing. Someone decided at some point
Speaker 1: down the line that the floors not in this episode
Speaker 1: because the floors are dry, but in the at some
Speaker 1: point during using this they decided that the floors looked
Speaker 1: better wet than they did dry. Yeah, which was a nightmare.
Speaker 1: I think Will has a fight scene, like a pretty
Speaker 1: intense fight scene the Darren doubled him for in this,
Speaker 1: and the floors are wet like it's a nightmare, and
Speaker 1: it's a slick floor anyway, I definitely had a couple
Speaker 1: where I had to run on it. And you guys
Speaker 1: are in heels the whole time like it was. It
Speaker 1: was actually really hard work. And then the glass, the
Speaker 1: glass window to the jail cell was actually three or
Speaker 1: four pieces of glass that sat into each other and
Speaker 1: they would angle it depending on where the shot needed
Speaker 1: to avoid the season one fiasco of the reflections feelings,
Speaker 1: so they would they would tilt them, but we were
Speaker 1: forbade from touching it so to leave fingerprints, to avoid
Speaker 1: leaving fingerprints on the glass, because there was constantly someone
Speaker 1: there with windex and a rag, just like making sure
Speaker 1: they were spotless. Yeah, because every time somebody would walk
Speaker 1: by or Lenardo don't have to step out of the
Speaker 1: way that those fingerprints show up so much, or anytime
Speaker 1: it would get angled just the slightest dish, they'd have
Speaker 1: to come in and completely reset the whole thing. But
Speaker 1: on the note of the floors, I am. You know
Speaker 1: they when you're walking through a set, shoes are allowed,
Speaker 1: and sets are often not. The floors are kind of
Speaker 1: hollow because they're built up, so you make a lot
Speaker 1: of noise when you walk sometimes, so they'll put foam
Speaker 1: on the bottom of your shoes to dampen the sound
Speaker 1: a bit for so you don't have to readr the
Speaker 1: entire scene of dialogue. So often I would have old
Speaker 1: patches of foam on the bottoms of my boots, and
Speaker 1: then when I would come into this set that had
Speaker 1: the wet floor, it would just become ice skates. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and number of times I fell down just trying to
Speaker 1: walk across the floor. It was absolutely insane. But let's
Speaker 1: see what these folks are. These kind folks are talking
Speaker 1: about as we we just I love that we just
Speaker 1: stroll in in the middle of an interrogation. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's mid getting tortured and we're like, hey, how's it going? Like,
Speaker 1: oh hey, dad, what's up? How's it going? I do
Speaker 1: love how much they use the reflections though, and when
Speaker 1: they do when they have this set just using our
Speaker 1: reflections there with me, me and Allen. It's just this
Speaker 1: is torture scene, so I guess it's like a torture run.
Speaker 1: But it's showing him, like it's called is he causing
Speaker 1: him a lot of physical pain, But it's also showing
Speaker 1: him a past, like a past that he's that hurts him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The assumption here, of course, being that it's me. It's
Speaker 1: a younger version of me, although no, we know that
Speaker 1: that's not the case. Now, so who is this kid
Speaker 1: supposed to be? No, he did still raise me, Yeah
Speaker 1: he didn't. It's not his son. So fucking making sense now.
Speaker 1: When she does the ruin, he has flashes to a
Speaker 1: little blond kid. No, that's not you, that's not me.
Speaker 1: That one's not you, because that is what that is
Speaker 1: is that's him sending Jonathan to eat him. No. I
Speaker 1: know that the audience doesn't know that now, but I
Speaker 1: think it's supposed to be portrayed that that is potentially
Speaker 1: me because we haven't been introduced to the person who
Speaker 1: that is, right, Yes, potentially you in this moment, in
Speaker 1: this moment, yes, And then Mimi's pissed. Yeah, it's like, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: we're not doing you how to do your job. Just sorry.
Speaker 1: I lost the sword. I didn't know what did it
Speaker 1: do to it. It damaged it, but we don't know
Speaker 1: what it did. It just deactivated it. You know, I
Speaker 1: have a feeling it just it's sort of breaking it
Speaker 1: enough not to destroy it, but enough to so it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. You know, it disconnected the second maybe as
Speaker 1: it were, I'm putting some kind of buffer on the
Speaker 1: magic as Reel. Is that as Reel? Yeah, Asaizel, that's it.
Speaker 1: So something funny about this that I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember Asazel wasn't his original name in the script. No,
Speaker 1: originally his name was Originally it was Reman. And there
Speaker 1: came a point during the beginning of this episode where
Speaker 1: I went, does anyone realize that we have that we've
Speaker 1: set up this guy as rem and the Demon from Edom? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that on purpose? So do we want to change that?
Speaker 1: Because I knew at some point during the episode, I'm like,
Speaker 1: somebody's going to have to say rem and the Demon
Speaker 1: from Edom, and then that's going to be what the
Speaker 1: episode's about is. Yeah, it's it's less badass for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this wonderful like stillness to the way he was so brutal,
Speaker 1: which I think is fantastic. Yeah. Again, there's so many
Speaker 1: incredible actors in Toronto that we got to use. They
Speaker 1: just brought them in and they just completely owned the
Speaker 1: moments that they had and just fully committed to what
Speaker 1: it is that they were doing while drinking a whiskey. Man,
Speaker 1: while drinking a whiskey, I don't think we ever went
Speaker 1: to this bar like as people like, why didn't we
Speaker 1: ever go to this bar? I did once with them,
Speaker 1: with Isaiah and some folks. Yeah, during the when he
Speaker 1: was shooting it. We went there with a bunch of
Speaker 1: folks and I think you guys met us for ping
Speaker 1: pong after Got It, Got It, Got It? Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: dear is he's in withdrawals? Yeah, this is the episode
Speaker 1: where they put the camera on her or no, they
Speaker 1: give her the rega. I can't remember. She does such
Speaker 1: a good job. Oh yeah, she's in it right now.
Speaker 1: She just sat up into it. Can Shadow Hunters get
Speaker 1: the flu? Though? Because Alec, you know, Alec covered for
Speaker 1: her by saying that she has the flu. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you would think that the Nurazi would probably take
Speaker 1: care of it, although I'm sure there's sort of down
Speaker 1: world disease that's equally terrible. That's true. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: with anything that we've seen in the last three years,
Speaker 1: diseases tall the time. Yeah, yeah, that was clever. There's
Speaker 1: we should have talked to John about this. That was
Speaker 1: a clever transition through the doors of the Jade Wolf
Speaker 1: because that is set on the inside, which actually is
Speaker 1: almost directly behind that door that the camera panned into.
Speaker 1: But the jade wolf set was oriented this way and
Speaker 1: the door was oriented this way, so there's no way
Speaker 1: you could have done that. So they matched the two
Speaker 1: shots together so it looked like you went through the door,
Speaker 1: which was very clever. But they were they were oriented,
Speaker 1: they were perpendicular to each other, so you couldn't have
Speaker 1: done it any other way. Tricks of the trade. M M.
Speaker 1: I feel like the kitchens knew as well. We've had
Speaker 1: the kitchen a couple of times because I had a
Speaker 1: conversation in there about clear Fusum a few episodes ago.
Speaker 1: But I do love that they've just hired a kitchen staff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just it's not a function restaurant, but it's a kitchen
Speaker 1: staff that just like just feed the food for the
Speaker 1: wear wolves all day. I wonder if they know that
Speaker 1: they were wolves? Yeah, do you think they know? They
Speaker 1: might be like like um werewolf wannabes, like like familiars
Speaker 1: for vampires, you know what I mean. Maybe if they
Speaker 1: make good duck pancakes they get turned into a werewolf.
Speaker 1: They're just wearwolf grouppies. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh the man.
Speaker 1: There's an uprising within the down world. So Russell, played
Speaker 1: by the lovely Noah. This is this always got me.
Speaker 1: Noah was the sweetest, most just such a zen softly dude,
Speaker 1: and he plays this absolutely aggro. But no, he's just
Speaker 1: he's like a big teddy bear. No, he's big old softy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This crime scene is fun because another little like in
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes thing. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: in the episode or not. When Ali comes in, I
Speaker 1: think it's Matt and I together step out of her
Speaker 1: way because she technically can't see us. Yeah, so if
Speaker 1: she physically hit us, then that would look weird. So
Speaker 1: we we just take a step back like it's nothing,
Speaker 1: keep doing our job. But it was. It was a
Speaker 1: fun like addition to be able to sort of flourish
Speaker 1: these parts of the world that makes sense to us,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, well, and yeah, you guys just move
Speaker 1: around her. I feel like there was no body there either,
Speaker 1: because the body was blamored as well, not on the floor,
Speaker 1: but the rest of them would have been there because
Speaker 1: there's only two shadow Hunters obviously the rest of them
Speaker 1: are all gone as there's a lot of dead people there.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, both just kind of do a little lean.
Speaker 1: There's the little lean. Yeah, because otherwise the air would
Speaker 1: be disturbed as well, so you know she would feel
Speaker 1: something you feel, somebody moved by you. Oh, here we go,
Speaker 1: as well as trying to put herself together. You can
Speaker 1: do a baby girl. Where does she go? Where is she?
Speaker 1: She's in her to see Raphael? Yeah, she's in her
Speaker 1: room right, hiding out and then she goes to see Raphael. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to get another six. Girl, you were almost you're
Speaker 1: going through withdrawals. Just just push through, man, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: needs to push through. But then the reality is like
Speaker 1: the door should have been locked or something like. It's
Speaker 1: not a nice way of doing it, but like you
Speaker 1: do have to I think sweat it out, like based
Speaker 1: on my very brief medical knowledge of how this works,
Speaker 1: she does. Ah, she's so like entrancing in this. Like
Speaker 1: I think it's always so interesting to see the powerful
Speaker 1: characters fall from Grace, or not even from Grace, just
Speaker 1: to see them like fallen broken. Yeah, And Isabelle is
Speaker 1: arguably like our strongest character from the beginning. She's so
Speaker 1: strong willed and she knows what she wants and who
Speaker 1: she is and what she's going after. And see her
Speaker 1: in this state is really something special. And I said
Speaker 1: it a thousand times before. But she does such a
Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, Isabelle so unflappable. And then to see
Speaker 1: just the lengths to which she goes and she's the
Speaker 1: one who always carries herself and has this kind of mask,
Speaker 1: and to see that fall, it's really interesting. Oh, I
Speaker 1: forgot she tried to stab In. She tries to. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: look at that. She wouldn't do it. She's too much
Speaker 1: of a good guy. She can't do it. She can't
Speaker 1: do it. She loves him, she loves him. Tragic gas leak,
Speaker 1: you know, happens in New York. It makes people's brain explode.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if that in New York would be
Speaker 1: like the biggest the biggest city disaster, like internally within
Speaker 1: the city since like the blackouts exactly? Oh man, See,
Speaker 1: we so rarely get to see this um the projections
Speaker 1: up out of the table, Yeah, big war table. You
Speaker 1: never get to see any of these other greater demons. Nope,
Speaker 1: just a great job by the art department. Someone drew
Speaker 1: these awesome greater demons and that's all we see of them,
Speaker 1: although one of them I think was like the worm
Speaker 1: thing that we see in season three. Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1: You're right, I would really love to. I've already lost count.
Speaker 1: But the number of times that somebody references me as
Speaker 1: your sister in front of you and you don't say
Speaker 1: anything in this episode because we're just having a conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, listen, let's talk. I know something's off.
Speaker 1: I'm your sister, and you're like, hm, I go by,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to these guys over here? Is
Speaker 1: this is Azel again? This is isabel No, it's Isabelle
Speaker 1: and Sebastian of the water. Only will Tutor here we go? Oh, Izzie,
Speaker 1: shouldn't it be the Cadillac in the stem she's outside
Speaker 1: like a grutty vampire. Then okay, hey, Azazel, she's not.
Speaker 1: She's not the shadow hunter you want. This poor cyclist
Speaker 1: is about to not do very well. The cyclist and
Speaker 1: the chef, the well meaning cyclist and the chef who
Speaker 1: are popping out just to save the day. Nah, and
Speaker 1: a pedestrian behind the cyclist. Oh man, all three of them.
Speaker 1: But here he comes to save the fricking day. Don't don't, don't, don't,
Speaker 1: don't don't nice? What does he turn into? Is that moths? Uh?
Speaker 1: I think it was meant to be like maggots or
Speaker 1: moths or you know, some kind of way to go.
Speaker 1: Who are you? Yeah it is Sebastian had a boy.
Speaker 1: My name is Sebastian. Yeah, I had a boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who does Maureen come back into the show? She just
Speaker 1: got referenced. Yeah. I don't think she ever comes back. Honestly,
Speaker 1: she was on another job, so she was. But in
Speaker 1: the books, Maureen actually comes back, and it's a version
Speaker 1: of the Heidi character because she she tries to find Simon,
Speaker 1: gets obsessed, gets turned into a vampire, and becomes this
Speaker 1: like creepy vampire child kind of um towards the end
Speaker 1: of the books. Who kidnapped Simon and such? Later on?
Speaker 1: But I don't think we ever get to see her again.
Speaker 1: He almost slips up here. Simon. Come on, pal, you've
Speaker 1: got to be better than this. You can't just go
Speaker 1: to the pub in the daylight when you're trying to
Speaker 1: keep this a secret. Come on, man. Oh, he does
Speaker 1: just give away the fum. He just didn't say it
Speaker 1: was Jason. I'll bless his heart. He kept Jase's secret. See,
Speaker 1: good guy. Jason knows he's a good guy deep down,
Speaker 1: deep deep, deep down. Oh yeah, and see it's it's
Speaker 1: Maya that goes hey more to the from one down
Speaker 1: world or to another. Probably don't yeh. Don't let the
Speaker 1: world know that you've got the golden ticket, literally, because
Speaker 1: then everyone's gonna, you know, start drinking shadow hundred blood.
Speaker 1: M that would be if you think about it, if
Speaker 1: all the vampires found out that if you drink a
Speaker 1: certain kind of shadow hundred blood you can walk in
Speaker 1: the daylight, that then it would just be all at war. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seen the vampire there's nothing that would stopped them. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: to find that one shadow hunter. Yeah, m and then
Speaker 1: they just keep me alive with my blood flying for
Speaker 1: as long as possible. Oh that sounds dreadful. Yeah, oh okay,
Speaker 1: So this it's the moths turned into the sand. And
Speaker 1: then so it's that sand is from a specific realm
Speaker 1: of Edom that's dud Waddle. That Yeah, it's um because
Speaker 1: I remember we went from him and the Deanamon from
Speaker 1: Edom to Azazel from Dudowaddle, Asaizel from Doodwaddle. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's the worst dimension of how been shackled? Do we
Speaker 1: ever figure out how he got out? I believe it
Speaker 1: had something to do with when Sebastian couple snuck out
Speaker 1: with Sebastian. Mm hmm interesting interesting, Well, spoilers for later
Speaker 1: Sebastian might not be baby they kyears. Oh, come on, Alec,
Speaker 1: Rafael is trying to help, don't be better. Raphael has
Speaker 1: kind of a tough time as well. Like I say,
Speaker 1: every time, it's he's trying to be a hero. He's
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing, but he just is
Speaker 1: always in the wrong place the wrong time. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: always often, Yeah, but like even the first time we
Speaker 1: meet him, he's trying to sort of help in his
Speaker 1: own way. Well that's not true, not right when we
Speaker 1: meet him, but then he does kind of the first time.
Speaker 1: The first time, he's kind of a dick. Magnus pain p. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't do it. Yeah, you see him with his
Speaker 1: like outdoor closed. We don't see Magnus outdoors as often
Speaker 1: as I would like, No, But he's got like a
Speaker 1: Sherlocky trench coat on it. I into it. Yeah, Clary
Speaker 1: I thought, as he was had the flu, why would
Speaker 1: she leave? What's going on? I don't understand, Oh, Clary, Clary,
Speaker 1: we had big board table and mini war table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did have We had, Yeah, we had hollow table
Speaker 1: and war table. Oh no, we used yeah, we used
Speaker 1: both as the war table. You're right, yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 1: remember this scene in particular. You two could not stop
Speaker 1: laughing at each other. Yeah, this happened. This is one
Speaker 1: of those days. It was. I think we'd spent all
Speaker 1: day in that room and it was just one of
Speaker 1: those moments where we're like, just put us somewhere else. Okay,
Speaker 1: this this is one of my favorite scenes. Maybe that
Speaker 1: turns out. Yeah, I didn't realize it came out this
Speaker 1: quickly after me finding out a few episodes of it,
Speaker 1: but it felt longer because there was the mid season break,
Speaker 1: you know, so there's a long time between airing. Um
Speaker 1: let's just the kiddo's face and off against Valentine. Anytime,
Speaker 1: getting to work with Alan and doing one of these
Speaker 1: cat and mouse scenes, it's just the most fun. Oh,
Speaker 1: because Valentine still has the mortal cut somewhere somewhere, and
Speaker 1: Asaizel won't give Izzy back until or so we think
Speaker 1: we think Asaizel has Iszebelle. Yeah. I just love that
Speaker 1: Valentine goes yeah, you know, being in in the custody
Speaker 1: of a demon of hell would be better than Yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, that's got to tell you what shadow Hunter
Speaker 1: torture is. Like, Chase is your son? You hurt him plenty.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, here comes the question mark and the smile. Alan, Oh,
Speaker 1: be still my beating heart. That's not my father. What
Speaker 1: a punch was really something as well, Like having someone
Speaker 1: get that close to your face with a fist while
Speaker 1: you're shackled is terrifying. Like it's a really horrifying experience.
Speaker 1: You could just tell a girl, Oh, it's happening. Now.
Speaker 1: We'd started using slow motion a lot more of the
Speaker 1: high speed cameras. We used those a lot more in
Speaker 1: this season. I think Matt Hastings had some new toys
Speaker 1: and was having fun. It's the same, It's it's always.
Speaker 1: This is something we talked about a lot in season one,
Speaker 1: and it comes back into play this season with the
Speaker 1: Morgan Sterns versus the light Woods and kind of the
Speaker 1: different ways in which they were raised and the different
Speaker 1: ways in which their powers can be utilize, specifically emotions
Speaker 1: clouding judgment versus emotions fueling your powers and serving a purpose.
Speaker 1: And it's this constant thing that Jason Clary are at
Speaker 1: odds about and we haven't we haven't seen that in
Speaker 1: a while. Ah, yes, Sebastian Vlac and his swanky apartment,
Speaker 1: another beautiful New York apartment. Yeah, must becauseing them God
Speaker 1: damn fortune. It was so awesome having Will just come,
Speaker 1: you know, he did this so beautifully, and he came
Speaker 1: to Toronto and dove right in with the story with
Speaker 1: He was so excited because he gets to do so
Speaker 1: much in this episode, as we get to see in
Speaker 1: a few minutes, but in diving in with you guys
Speaker 1: and figuring out the whole what it meant to be
Speaker 1: raised by Valentine and that physicality and everything, and then
Speaker 1: and diving into the mythology of the story and the
Speaker 1: whole world. It was great. Well. I also, i'd known
Speaker 1: Will for like ten something years at this point. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: probably not quite when he joined the show, like six
Speaker 1: or seven years. I've known well, Will and I work
Speaker 1: together in London those many years ago, so I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know from personal experience, having a semi
Speaker 1: friendly face on sets it's very useful when you're joining
Speaker 1: something new, you know, it's so fortunate to have a
Speaker 1: mysterious stranger just whisk you away to his lovely apartment
Speaker 1: and give you the cure to your addiction and also
Speaker 1: be addicted to the same thing. It's almost like it's
Speaker 1: too good to be true. Make you a lovely meal.
Speaker 1: I know what. Look at that face. I'd trust him
Speaker 1: to see. That's the thing with Well is is that's
Speaker 1: why this worked so well, I think. And with Luke too,
Speaker 1: it's um got a trusting face. Do you think Luke
Speaker 1: has a trusting face? Oh? Maybe it's just because I
Speaker 1: know Luke. I don't know. Yeah, there's no way, no way.
Speaker 1: Him and I have spoken about this so many times.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way, Like, and he'll say this when
Speaker 1: he comes on like this, zero chance I would trust
Speaker 1: him from a distance. No way. We'll have to reach
Speaker 1: out so Well and Luke and get them on the
Speaker 1: show soon. Definitely we should get them on together. I'd
Speaker 1: love it. I'd love to do each of them separate.
Speaker 1: Believe then, I think Morgan stern Sibling Roundtable would be
Speaker 1: a fun bonus up play like family feud games. And
Speaker 1: here we have let's get to know the new uh,
Speaker 1: the new sidekick. The new sidekick. She's one of those
Speaker 1: characters that you see just getting on Luke's nerves just enough,
Speaker 1: being just slightly charming enough to just get under his game.
Speaker 1: Is she's and Alex was very charming as well, like
Speaker 1: she was such a wonderful woman to work with, but
Speaker 1: she died Like she she actually is very much like
Speaker 1: this character. She's very very likable. I just love how
Speaker 1: she immediately thinks that Maya is Luke's girlfriend, and Maya
Speaker 1: this is going what it's It serves similar to when
Speaker 1: Irish thought Alec and Clary were dating it. Yeah, m
Speaker 1: m no, definitely not. So what's happening here is because
Speaker 1: of Luke's actions during the Soul sort of it all.
Speaker 1: There's a little unrest in the werewolves and Russell is
Speaker 1: trying to form his own pack and they've asked my
Speaker 1: eye again and she, you know, it's it's a tough
Speaker 1: spot to be in because you want to have the
Speaker 1: security and the safety being in a pack because that's
Speaker 1: you know, by nature of what they do as wolves.
Speaker 1: But it's um, it's her dad kind of you know.
Speaker 1: Oh see there's this balcony again. Yeah, so this was
Speaker 1: that So maybe the last time we saw it when
Speaker 1: they were disabling the power source was the first time
Speaker 1: we'd seen it, and then they expanded it to this
Speaker 1: for the scene. I think that's what it was. Oh,
Speaker 1: were fun scenes as well, like this is such a
Speaker 1: Matt thing, like he Matt's very good at sensing when
Speaker 1: you're down, and he's very good at comforting you by
Speaker 1: doing very little. Yea, and this I think the original
Speaker 1: version of this scene had a lot of had quite
Speaker 1: a bit of dialogue back and forth, and it all
Speaker 1: just got scrapped and became just this silent moment between
Speaker 1: the two of them, like they both know what's going on.
Speaker 1: With or without their bond, they would know what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so smart to do that because it's you
Speaker 1: know it really we haven't seen these two just have
Speaker 1: a moment and so long and it's such an important
Speaker 1: relationship and just giving again, seeing these characters that are
Speaker 1: so strong have these moments of vulnerability and these moments
Speaker 1: of humanity. That's what makes the show have such resonance
Speaker 1: for people. I think. And he can cook. He can
Speaker 1: cook too, I mean, my goodness, Sebastian, marry me, stop it.
Speaker 1: What's not to love? What's not to love? And again,
Speaker 1: there's just these little moments where watching it you know,
Speaker 1: having seen it and knowing what happens watching it again,
Speaker 1: there's little moments where you go it is that I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a flash behind the eyes. It's
Speaker 1: so well yeah, so well chosen. And again it is
Speaker 1: nice to just as the first scene with you know,
Speaker 1: Simon and Clary on the park bench, it's nice to
Speaker 1: see Isabelle just with her guard down for a moment.
Speaker 1: She's been going through so much and had so much
Speaker 1: to deal with in battle and handle. She just gets
Speaker 1: to be a person. Yeah, she gets to chill out.
Speaker 1: And she shouldn't be She should have a god all
Speaker 1: the way the fuck up. But well we don't know
Speaker 1: that yet. But we don't know that yet exactly. Oh
Speaker 1: finds out that Um, does he say he's an orphan
Speaker 1: or does he say that? Yeah, he just says she's
Speaker 1: gone now, so he knows says anything about his father? Mmm?
Speaker 1: Does he know from the beginning? Does he know? He knows? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows because he's he's the only one of the
Speaker 1: Morgan Stern kids, or the children that were raised by
Speaker 1: Valentine that knows everything right, right right, because he's the
Speaker 1: eldest and he's the one who was put through it
Speaker 1: first and basically had to sit in eat him for
Speaker 1: ten years, right right right, you know, and knowing that
Speaker 1: his father sent him there because he couldn't control his
Speaker 1: demonic abilities. Got it. Boat basin, boat basin, Little Simon
Speaker 1: Raphael action, which is fun. I like that this season
Speaker 1: we got to see more of his musician side. This
Speaker 1: is fun. It just gets me every time Raphael just
Speaker 1: shows up in everywhere because he's such a stealthy vampire.
Speaker 1: It's still scared Simon, even though he has vampiering. And
Speaker 1: it's such a characterful choice that Alberto mode, because I
Speaker 1: think that was an Alberto thing. I don't think that
Speaker 1: was a scripted thing. Yeah, but I wasn't at Hunter's moon.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. It's somebody's smoking something, somebody's
Speaker 1: on the infant. Yeah, come on, buddy, you've got to
Speaker 1: be better than that. He's you've been a vampire for
Speaker 1: two weeks. That's what he just says. You've been a
Speaker 1: vampire for two weeks. The current stage of our story,
Speaker 1: how far we've got so twenty three episodes, twenty four
Speaker 1: after this one of TV has been over two weeks
Speaker 1: a two weeks ban people. That's what's happened, and just
Speaker 1: let's just think about that for a moment. You find
Speaker 1: out you're the supernatural being. You find out that your
Speaker 1: father is evil, your mother disappears, you're you meet this guy,
Speaker 1: your best friend becomes of dies, becomes a vampire. You
Speaker 1: find out your dad's awareable, your other dad's awareable of
Speaker 1: think about everyone else's story. Like Alberto Alberto Simon literally
Speaker 1: did die, comes back as a supernatural being the need
Speaker 1: for blood. Then it, within two weeks has become a
Speaker 1: limited version, seemingly extinct version of this being. Alec discovered
Speaker 1: that he was gay, fell in love, got engaged, tore
Speaker 1: apart his wedding, got engaged, and was about to get married.
Speaker 1: Even that is far fetched enough. That you planned a
Speaker 1: wedding in less than two weeks is fucking nuts. So
Speaker 1: the whole thing apart, fell in love with the love
Speaker 1: of his life, Thank goodness, But a lot fucking happened
Speaker 1: in these two weeks. Jason finds this person, saves her
Speaker 1: life a couple of times, falls in love, finds out
Speaker 1: he's her sister. Jason weeks are really rough. If I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, I feel like his next two weeks get worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think you're it this mask man. Okay,
Speaker 1: can we talk this whole fucking scene. We talk about
Speaker 1: the fucking pussy willows man. So we we this First
Speaker 1: of all, this scene is about to get very intense.
Speaker 1: We've just summoned as as A and tension is high
Speaker 1: as is you know, it's a big mission. We know
Speaker 1: where this is going to go, and it ends with
Speaker 1: a lot of screaming. We all sort of get semi
Speaker 1: torchre and it ends with a lot of screaming. Screaming
Speaker 1: is hard work in general. You hyperventilate, it's bad for
Speaker 1: your throat, it you get torn up, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Probably five six hours, no kidding, like, we screamed for
Speaker 1: five or six hours, and each of those takes was
Speaker 1: at like thirty or forty seconds long because they had
Speaker 1: to do all of the action behind. So we're screaming, screaming,
Speaker 1: screaming at the top of our lungs. You know, we
Speaker 1: ask very often the question is what level of pain
Speaker 1: are we at? And and doctors actually hopefully you haven't
Speaker 1: been unfortunate enough to ever see this scale, but they
Speaker 1: actually have a scale head a doctor's office that says
Speaker 1: one through ten, and they have pictures of your face,
Speaker 1: so like this is a one and your face is
Speaker 1: sort of semi normal, and then a ten is like
Speaker 1: screaming and crying whatever. And everyone was told in this
Speaker 1: senior at ten, this is this is the most pain
Speaker 1: that you're going to go through. Them We're like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: And then they filled the room with these little it's
Speaker 1: for those who don't know the best way to describe them,
Speaker 1: they're called pussy willows, and they're like like a dandelion,
Speaker 1: like that you blow a dandelion. It's like those little things.
Speaker 1: But they filled the rod with like bags and bags,
Speaker 1: like trash bags, giant trash bags of this stuff, and
Speaker 1: then turn the fans on so they were all up
Speaker 1: in the air and it looked, you know, it looks great.
Speaker 1: We were coughing them up, no kidding, because we breathed
Speaker 1: so many of them in. I was coughing them up
Speaker 1: for about a week. I was coughing them up and
Speaker 1: they were in the back of my sinus. You can't see.
Speaker 1: Every time you open your eyes, they go in your eyes.
Speaker 1: It was a fucking nightmare. And I left this scene
Speaker 1: like I don't ever want to see one of these
Speaker 1: ever again. I don't want to see one in real life.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see one on set. This was
Speaker 1: hands down. I don't know why we don't talk about
Speaker 1: this much when people ask what was the hardest scene
Speaker 1: for you to do? Because this is up there. This
Speaker 1: was really hard team to do well. And do you
Speaker 1: also remember that we had to reshoot part of it.
Speaker 1: We did this on Yeah, we did this on a Friday,
Speaker 1: and then on the Monday we had to come back
Speaker 1: and finish it because we ran out a time, and
Speaker 1: I just remember, all, can we can we just go
Speaker 1: another hour or something and just finish it so we
Speaker 1: don't have to do this again. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it ever again. But on the one silly
Speaker 1: it really was. But the one silly bit that um,
Speaker 1: I try and find a silver lining and things, and
Speaker 1: I try and make things fun even when they're not.
Speaker 1: So when we came back to do this scene, Matt
Speaker 1: and I just kind of because our clothes were clean.
Speaker 1: Obviously it had been a few days since we've done it,
Speaker 1: so they'd washed our clothes and all the dirt and
Speaker 1: dust and fluff was all off of them. So Matt
Speaker 1: and I just kind of looked at each other and
Speaker 1: went all right and just rolled around in the dust
Speaker 1: that they'd left on the floor. Just sometimes you got
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, that fits, and this mask. At
Speaker 1: least Alan had the mask. Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it wasn't as bad for him. There they are, here
Speaker 1: come the pussy willows. See them all over Harry's face
Speaker 1: and they like, yeah, they broke down so they didn't
Speaker 1: stay in like chunks. It looks like it does look
Speaker 1: fantastic on camera, but fuck, this was awful. Okay. Can
Speaker 1: we talk just for a second about the when Harry
Speaker 1: does this magic and he starts the summoning, there's a
Speaker 1: bit of a kind of jerky camera situation, and if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, this is something that was new for
Speaker 1: this season for the show. It was they had, wasn't
Speaker 1: it the film camera that they would go forwards and
Speaker 1: backwards and forwards, So they would roll the film forward
Speaker 1: and backwards manually a bunch of times to kind of
Speaker 1: layer it over each other, and then when they play
Speaker 1: it back in this moment, it looks it's sort of
Speaker 1: is that stop motion kind of magic where Magnus is
Speaker 1: in six places at once, which I think it's so characterful.
Speaker 1: I was either Glen or rus idea. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. We'll have to ask Tru about it.
Speaker 1: There's also, I don't know if it's this, there's something
Speaker 1: about this season on to the end of the show.
Speaker 1: There's a weight to the lighting of the show, and
Speaker 1: there's a darkness to it that it's everything is richer
Speaker 1: but darker somehow, and it's Yeah. I remember that was
Speaker 1: our like two fucking buzzwords for all of the press
Speaker 1: for season two and three. It's darker and something else.
Speaker 1: There were two words that we kept repeating, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, convention like four I was like,
Speaker 1: we got to think some fucking synonyms for the ship.
Speaker 1: I can't do another four hour convention where I tell
Speaker 1: people like it's darker and more sinister again and again
Speaker 1: and again. But I think too it's It was a
Speaker 1: great choice because it spoke to kind of the weight
Speaker 1: of the world and the impending darkness that was happening
Speaker 1: around us. And here comes Clary again, storming through the
Speaker 1: doors of the Institute to do something. This is sa funny.
Speaker 1: It's such an interesting like this happens to us A
Speaker 1: bunch of time where you're like, oh, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: just use this run power that I've had for fucking
Speaker 1: seven hours. Let me just yeah, I'll just figure this
Speaker 1: thing out. Like I'm sure that this thing is going
Speaker 1: to work. No, it doesn't. You know why because you've
Speaker 1: used it three times. You've used it three fucking times.
Speaker 1: You have no clue if any of this ship is
Speaker 1: going to work, Like so that you broke the sword
Speaker 1: you this time. It doesn't work later on in I
Speaker 1: think two B or three A, you portal us underwater.
Speaker 1: It's fucking nuts. Yeah, while she's learning, you know she's learning,
Speaker 1: but maybe you spend some time practicing in like we
Speaker 1: have like a super high tech training facility. You didn't
Speaker 1: at any point be like, let me try this thing out.
Speaker 1: Let's see if this is gonna work. I'm just watching us,
Speaker 1: all of us writhe and pain, Yeah, lots and lots
Speaker 1: of pain. Is this where we get to see your
Speaker 1: eyes for the first time? This is where we get
Speaker 1: to see the gold eyes for the first time. So
Speaker 1: this was I think we've mentioned it once before again.
Speaker 1: The guys from folks Weavex did an amazing job with
Speaker 1: both the ruins and this um, but this we were
Speaker 1: leaving a viewing. We were leaving like a watching a
Speaker 1: free form and Matt Hastings was there and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: you got to see just the briefest of flashes of
Speaker 1: my underwear there. I think I'm wearing bright red underwear.
Speaker 1: Does not look correct for the yet to seeing my boxes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there they are there? You go? You never noticed that?
Speaker 1: What can you do? Um? And we were I was
Speaker 1: talking about Hastings and I said, hey man, we're literally
Speaker 1: on our way out in the corridor, and hey man,
Speaker 1: just a quick thought. When these rooms activate we read
Speaker 1: the script, maybe maybe we can do a thing with
Speaker 1: my eyes where they flashed gold as a little sort
Speaker 1: of nod to the to the book fans, because Jase
Speaker 1: has gold eyes in the books. And he was like
Speaker 1: literally just went great, love it, we're putting it in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were like okay, gold. And then it was the
Speaker 1: story point throughout which I was glad that we got
Speaker 1: to do. I was, I'm glad when we get to
Speaker 1: give these a little sort of small book references in there.
Speaker 1: Well that's still alive. Are we just leaving him there? Oh? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: he can just stay there. Yeah. I just thought we
Speaker 1: were just walking away. Oh oh, do you remember what
Speaker 1: happens there? Do you remember what zaisil does? Hm? He's
Speaker 1: because did you see Valentine's help me, help me? I
Speaker 1: do remember, I do remember. Valentine is no longer Valentine. Valentine. Well,
Speaker 1: Valentine is Valentine. It doesn't look like Valentine. Yeah. Well okay,
Speaker 1: just look at the way Harry's walking down this hallway.
Speaker 1: So good, so good. I get to have scenes with
Speaker 1: him whilst he's in this in this position. I remember
Speaker 1: it being like even his vocal quality change and I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, this is good. Oh man, this is
Speaker 1: so good. I remember hearing it at the table road
Speaker 1: for the first time and I lost my mind, just
Speaker 1: because both of them had clearly done their homework and
Speaker 1: put so much effort into the fun that they were
Speaker 1: going to have spoilers. So good for another day. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh I love it when Alex smiles. Yeah, finally getting
Speaker 1: on the phone with Izzie. The softy is what he is.
Speaker 1: He pretends not to be, but he's a big old
Speaker 1: softy matto. He's cooking. He's not eavesdropping on your conversation.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about Yeah, he's definitely not listening to this.
Speaker 1: Just quite a great dam and you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: selling the farm. Come on, is that why they had
Speaker 1: to break the necklace because it would have been flashing
Speaker 1: if it would have been flashing around him? Right? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you send the first time, this is the first
Speaker 1: time we get to see Sebastian's propensity for pain, pain,
Speaker 1: and the sort of enjoyment slash self punishment thereof. You know,
Speaker 1: he's it seems like he's cooking or cleaning the kitchen
Speaker 1: and he turns around and he's just roasting his own
Speaker 1: hand roast in his hand. Oh this is interesting, So well,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a minute. I really, I was
Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite scenes in this episode.
Speaker 1: I remember when I read it the first time. I
Speaker 1: was so happy that it's one of those rare times
Speaker 1: where Jason Clary have an honest conversation and are actually
Speaker 1: able to set all the drama and all the world
Speaker 1: ending events side and go, hey, listen, let's just get
Speaker 1: on the same page here. And it's yeah, nice moment
Speaker 1: and the only time I ever got to wear that
Speaker 1: jacket hotly. Yeah, I was noticing there's a lot of
Speaker 1: frilling on this jacket. I don't know how useful it
Speaker 1: would be to an actual shadow Hunter, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I feel like there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that would be in the way. Yeah. What's one of
Speaker 1: those things that Shelley, our costume designer, did, was could
Speaker 1: ride that line between the artists from Brooklyn and the
Speaker 1: shadow Hunter. And there were moments, particularly when she was
Speaker 1: dating Signon, that it sort of started to steer back
Speaker 1: toward the old Clary that we saw Choker see there
Speaker 1: you go. And also sidebar, what are these angelic abilities
Speaker 1: that we have and how do they work? Why don't
Speaker 1: they always work? I don't think I ever figure it out. Nope,
Speaker 1: because nobody knows that this is like a thing that exists.
Speaker 1: Nobody's had pure angel blood since like the first angel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never happened before. Oh man, well there you go.
Speaker 1: I was really disappointed though, because this so the beginning
Speaker 1: of the next episode starts with a certain moment that
Speaker 1: we'll see later. But there was a scene that kind
Speaker 1: of transitioned it. And there was a lovely scene at
Speaker 1: the end of this episode that they actually released images for,
Speaker 1: like production stills for, but then they cut the scene
Speaker 1: where Clary went to go see Signon and he had
Speaker 1: organized this beautiful date and I think, if I'm correct,
Speaker 1: it's something they pulled from the books, because he'd gotten
Speaker 1: Clary's favorite pizza and had just blood for him and
Speaker 1: had done the whole thing, like set up the whole date,
Speaker 1: and it was just a nice moment again to one
Speaker 1: more time have this their relationship as a whole. But
Speaker 1: then to kind of see Clary Clary fully making the choice,
Speaker 1: knowing that Jas was her brother, knowing all of this
Speaker 1: information to go, No, this is where I'm at, and
Speaker 1: this is where my feelings are at this point, and
Speaker 1: I'm committed to this relationship. God, Harry is so brilliant.
Speaker 1: He is brilliant. Where's it going to go? Who knows?
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to tune in next week or however
Speaker 1: frequent we air these, I don't know, next rewatch to
Speaker 1: find out what's going on man the world. As soon
Speaker 1: as we think we know what's going on in the
Speaker 1: Shadow World, everything changes, yea. But always always seen a
Speaker 1: lot of new mysterious changers and new mysterious friendships. Perhaps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the next episode is there's a lot goes on.
Speaker 1: I also, I like I messed up with the lamest
Speaker 1: of stunts. It was It's like a little why. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even a wire pool. It was a self propelled
Speaker 1: and I have these big, heavy like handcuff chains on
Speaker 1: and as I landed, I was fine when I landed,
Speaker 1: and then I released the tension in my shoulders and
Speaker 1: dropped the heavy handcuffs and just knocked all the wind
Speaker 1: out of me. And Darren and Dean were like you okay,
Speaker 1: and I was like yeah when when we get to
Speaker 1: it as always thank you everyone for listening and tuning in.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to talk to you and hope
Speaker 1: you're having a good week. I love you, See you
Speaker 1: next time. Return to the Shadows is hosted and an
Speaker 1: executive produced by Me, Katherine McNamara, and Dominic Sherwood. Our
Speaker 1: executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes
Speaker 1: and Diego Tapia. Our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermillia,
Speaker 1: and our intern is Sam Kat's. Original music by Alex
Speaker 1: Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara