1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:31,279 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. 2 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:33,719 Speaker 2: Tune in is Matt Smith and Paul Perillo offer in 3 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:36,439 Speaker 2: depth interviews with some of the greatest players and coaches 4 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 2: in New England Patriots history. 5 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 3: Joined by the newitch member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, 6 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 3: Mike Rabol. 7 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 8 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 9 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 10 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 3: hoy Or. 11 00:00:48,319 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 4: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 12 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 13 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 5: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 14 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 2: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 15 00:01:00,279 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: All right, guys, morning. 16 00:01:03,999 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: The coaches said, his message to you, guys will a 17 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 3: strong sense of urgency this week. How does that resonate 18 00:01:10,279 --> 00:01:11,678 Speaker 3: from you guys in the team. 19 00:01:11,919 --> 00:01:14,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's always you always got to have 20 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: a sense of urgency in this league, and you know 21 00:01:17,438 --> 00:01:20,279 Speaker 1: where we are as a team, we need that desperately 22 00:01:21,039 --> 00:01:25,359 Speaker 1: from everybody. So it starts with myself and starts with 23 00:01:25,399 --> 00:01:27,799 Speaker 1: this week of practice. I think trying to attack this 24 00:01:27,839 --> 00:01:30,438 Speaker 1: week head on, and we're playing at really good fotball 25 00:01:30,438 --> 00:01:34,599 Speaker 1: team so and in a really cool environment hostile environment, 26 00:01:34,639 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: so we've got to be ready to go. You know, 27 00:01:44,199 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 1: he's he's doing a great job. He's he's coming along. 28 00:01:46,279 --> 00:01:48,039 Speaker 1: He's doing a lot of good things on special teams. 29 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:52,479 Speaker 1: I think that's really where he started to really show 30 00:01:52,559 --> 00:01:55,039 Speaker 1: up in a lot of ways. He's been great in 31 00:01:55,039 --> 00:01:58,999 Speaker 1: the room, He's learning a ton, ask great questions. Just 32 00:01:59,199 --> 00:02:01,399 Speaker 1: we we love having him in the room. He's he's 33 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:04,439 Speaker 1: a tremendous talent that I feel like we need to 34 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:07,199 Speaker 1: get going in some in some capacity, and he's starting 35 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:09,358 Speaker 1: to show up on the field, show up in good ways, 36 00:02:10,079 --> 00:02:12,039 Speaker 1: be consistent, and that's all you can ask for for 37 00:02:12,119 --> 00:02:14,599 Speaker 1: him right now. I mean, he's just continuing to get better. 38 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: I should be having any. 39 00:02:17,119 --> 00:02:20,918 Speaker 2: Human Austin closer to the same stadionship career in life? 40 00:02:21,358 --> 00:02:24,758 Speaker 1: Is that because of the sort of you just yeah, 41 00:02:24,799 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's crazy out things flipping away. 42 00:02:28,519 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: I feel like it was just the other day I 43 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:32,918 Speaker 1: was on the other side of it with a guy 44 00:02:32,959 --> 00:02:36,319 Speaker 1: like Antonio Gates and you know, me and uh Hoop 45 00:02:36,358 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: are kind of that guy in a way for him. 46 00:02:39,119 --> 00:02:41,439 Speaker 1: So you know, we we me and Hoop have seen 47 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:44,759 Speaker 1: a lot in this league. So if we can, you know, 48 00:02:44,839 --> 00:02:47,879 Speaker 1: pass on wisdom, pass on things that we've seen to him, 49 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: we try to as much as we can. Have a 50 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: lot of plays from scrimmage in regulation we get just 51 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:56,038 Speaker 1: kind of see if I can watch that we're kind 52 00:02:56,038 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: of standing out of bound there to play with that design? 53 00:03:00,839 --> 00:03:04,078 Speaker 1: Was that No, I was not designed. I've got to 54 00:03:04,119 --> 00:03:07,439 Speaker 1: be Uh No, it was I had a you know, 55 00:03:07,679 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: inline route and then try to make the scrambles row. 56 00:03:11,519 --> 00:03:13,479 Speaker 1: He made a good play and uh, you know, I 57 00:03:13,559 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: just lost my balance. We got pushed out of bounce. 58 00:03:15,239 --> 00:03:17,319 Speaker 1: So I got to be better and try to stand balanced. 59 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: But once you go out of bounds, you can't be 60 00:03:19,079 --> 00:03:21,439 Speaker 1: the first to touch the ball. So I just try 61 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: to eliminate myself from the play. I probably should have 62 00:03:23,758 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: even got out of even more. Is pretty I was, 63 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:29,478 Speaker 1: I don't People were like praising it for but I 64 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: don't think it was very smart of me. Actually, I 65 00:03:31,999 --> 00:03:33,599 Speaker 1: need to be better in that situation so I can 66 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: be alive for the for the team. 67 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,039 Speaker 3: So you had a obviously unique perspective of that play. 68 00:03:38,119 --> 00:03:40,039 Speaker 3: What's it like going back and watching the film and 69 00:03:40,079 --> 00:03:41,479 Speaker 3: watching Drake on that play. 70 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:45,559 Speaker 1: I mean, it's special that's the number one thing I 71 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:47,799 Speaker 1: could say. I mean, to keep a play alive that 72 00:03:47,959 --> 00:03:50,359 Speaker 1: long is tough. And then for him just to have 73 00:03:50,399 --> 00:03:53,039 Speaker 1: the to be able to see remondering in that aspect 74 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: was pretty remarkable. So, I mean, it was a incredible play, 75 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:00,119 Speaker 1: and honestly I had a front row seat to it, 76 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:02,039 Speaker 1: so it was pretty pretty crazy. 77 00:04:02,519 --> 00:04:04,399 Speaker 5: You're you shouldn't have had. 78 00:04:04,279 --> 00:04:06,959 Speaker 4: It front for yourself like that ninth row. 79 00:04:07,839 --> 00:04:10,599 Speaker 1: I probably should have stepped out a little bit more. Yeah, 80 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:13,479 Speaker 1: I did communicate to Drake in a way to make 81 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:17,879 Speaker 1: sure to not throw it. But yeah, it can be 82 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: confusing because you know it's happening it so fast and 83 00:04:20,039 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: I'm just standing there and there's no one on me. 84 00:04:21,678 --> 00:04:23,438 Speaker 1: It can you know, you can be confusing. It's kind 85 00:04:23,438 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: of hard to actually see if I'm out of bounds. 86 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:26,639 Speaker 1: I probably should have stepped out a little bit. 87 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 3: More to realize you were out of policy. 88 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:30,319 Speaker 5: Oh. 89 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:32,398 Speaker 1: I kind of communicated to him in a way my 90 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:41,199 Speaker 1: own way, like do not throw your aspect of GM. 91 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 3: Bel what have you seen from Jack west Over in five? 92 00:04:42,919 --> 00:04:47,198 Speaker 1: Since Jack's doing a great job, you know, he gives 93 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,519 Speaker 1: us great looks and practice, He's working hard, coming along, 94 00:04:50,599 --> 00:04:54,079 Speaker 1: getting better he's also a great guy. Like our whole 95 00:04:54,159 --> 00:04:56,319 Speaker 1: room is is a is a joy to be around. 96 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:58,118 Speaker 1: So we have a lot of great guys in the 97 00:04:58,159 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: room and that starts with Bob our tight end coach 98 00:05:00,599 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 1: as well. We just we have a we have a 99 00:05:02,799 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: fun room to be in. 100 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:06,879 Speaker 4: Especially it's like a soldier field. We talk about the 101 00:05:06,999 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 4: history from the NFL. It's not a stadium atmag played 102 00:05:10,198 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 4: at breaking have been the Chargers in the past. How 103 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:17,519 Speaker 4: much do you appreciate those opportunities and do as especially 104 00:05:17,678 --> 00:05:20,199 Speaker 4: get later Gred you can think about that coaching three 105 00:05:20,239 --> 00:05:22,998 Speaker 4: game more, how much of working from the stadium time 106 00:05:23,039 --> 00:05:23,558 Speaker 4: to look around. 107 00:05:23,678 --> 00:05:26,959 Speaker 1: So yeah, you definitely get excited to go play in 108 00:05:26,958 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: a place like that. I and there's a lot of history, 109 00:05:29,239 --> 00:05:31,878 Speaker 1: a lot of rich history. So I played there once 110 00:05:32,359 --> 00:05:34,278 Speaker 1: with the Chargers, so this will be my second time 111 00:05:34,318 --> 00:05:37,999 Speaker 1: to go back. But I you know, once the balls kicked, 112 00:05:38,039 --> 00:05:40,118 Speaker 1: you're you're just in game mode and you're rolling. You're 113 00:05:40,159 --> 00:05:44,079 Speaker 1: not really thinking about all those exterior things. But still 114 00:05:44,078 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a special place to play. There's a 115 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: lot of history, so it's exciting for everybody in this 116 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: locker room. 117 00:05:53,119 --> 00:05:55,439 Speaker 5: He was the only one said in these interviews, you 118 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:56,199 Speaker 5: stay let. 119 00:05:56,198 --> 00:05:57,879 Speaker 2: Him know that you're also in that twelve. 120 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: Tea Dru said a few minutes ago to the message 121 00:06:03,799 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: was sense of urgency going into this week? Is that 122 00:06:07,879 --> 00:06:10,118 Speaker 3: any different for you or is kind of what's your 123 00:06:10,198 --> 00:06:11,198 Speaker 3: message to your. 124 00:06:11,159 --> 00:06:13,518 Speaker 5: Teammates that you go about about the same that we 125 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 5: give every week to a team? 126 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: What what is it this week? 127 00:06:20,359 --> 00:06:23,118 Speaker 5: Saying same thing? Since their urgency going to getting the 128 00:06:23,159 --> 00:06:25,638 Speaker 5: play down and executed at a high. 129 00:06:25,558 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 3: Level Monday formation recognition and I think what I or 130 00:06:31,799 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 3: just say, it's if you recognize. 131 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:35,598 Speaker 4: The information though what this might be coming. 132 00:06:36,318 --> 00:06:41,038 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is there like one thing that stood up 133 00:06:41,078 --> 00:06:43,439 Speaker 3: to you from the last game, you know if it 134 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: was an example of that. 135 00:06:49,318 --> 00:06:51,559 Speaker 5: No, it was just it wasn't one thing. It's it's uh, 136 00:06:51,678 --> 00:06:55,038 Speaker 5: it's a plethorough of formations and I guess motions and 137 00:06:55,078 --> 00:06:57,878 Speaker 5: schemes that they kind of end up to so that 138 00:06:57,958 --> 00:07:00,399 Speaker 5: we know when they're in this one whether it's gun 139 00:07:00,438 --> 00:07:02,678 Speaker 5: five or gun gun far y off or a gun 140 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 5: uh near a home. When they're in those type of situations, 141 00:07:06,919 --> 00:07:09,799 Speaker 5: we we know which plays are coming. So that's kind 142 00:07:09,799 --> 00:07:12,079 Speaker 5: of how we always are. I think every team uh 143 00:07:12,119 --> 00:07:15,799 Speaker 5: does something some something similar to that. It's nothing, nothing big. 144 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:18,959 Speaker 5: It's kind of like finding small details that they'll let 145 00:07:18,999 --> 00:07:20,759 Speaker 5: you know, uh, where places are going? 146 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:23,518 Speaker 3: Did you expial like gun your gun far? You know, 147 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 3: it's you don't really know what differences, but is there 148 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 3: certain things that teams will tend to do, whether they are, 149 00:07:28,719 --> 00:07:31,039 Speaker 3: you know, with the running back to the formation when 150 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:31,479 Speaker 3: to work? 151 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:35,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, most likely when wherever I know, it sounds 152 00:07:35,239 --> 00:07:37,799 Speaker 5: very cliche sometimes, but wherever the tight end is, that's 153 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:41,799 Speaker 5: usually what time, what side the run is, depending on 154 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,199 Speaker 5: what type of tight end they have or whatever case is. 155 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:49,038 Speaker 5: And usually usually unless it's a toss, running backs go 156 00:07:49,999 --> 00:07:53,359 Speaker 5: across the formation to to the ball. Oh downhill, you know. 157 00:07:54,119 --> 00:07:56,518 Speaker 5: And that's that's about it, little one on one. So 158 00:07:56,679 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 5: for y'all, did. 159 00:07:57,559 --> 00:07:59,999 Speaker 3: You spend your impression of Caleb Williams so far? 160 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:03,759 Speaker 5: It's a good quarterback. Definitely use his feets, feats, use 161 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,399 Speaker 5: his feet very well. Can't throw the ball. Also pretty 162 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 5: good on the run, but in the pocket and he's 163 00:08:10,119 --> 00:08:13,519 Speaker 5: did he's outstanding. So definitely have to ride at him 164 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,159 Speaker 5: a little bit, get him moving, but not down the field. 165 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:17,799 Speaker 5: Is this a game. 166 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:22,839 Speaker 3: His ability to keep plays alive and also rushly disciplayed 167 00:08:22,919 --> 00:08:24,319 Speaker 3: his report for. 168 00:08:25,999 --> 00:08:28,599 Speaker 2: I know, I've asked past year's big quarterbacks that can 169 00:08:28,799 --> 00:08:31,879 Speaker 2: run like Kaler bullets. Do you enjoy the opportunity to 170 00:08:31,958 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: try to contain a guy like that? I mean, obviously 171 00:08:35,199 --> 00:08:36,879 Speaker 2: keeping the edges critical of the game like this. 172 00:08:37,119 --> 00:08:40,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a challenge, I think. I like I find 173 00:08:40,439 --> 00:08:44,359 Speaker 5: enjoying different challenges every different every week. There's pocket passers 174 00:08:44,359 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 5: who can run, and they're scramblers who can throw out 175 00:08:47,239 --> 00:08:50,039 Speaker 5: the pocket. So we're going against each week finding out 176 00:08:50,078 --> 00:08:52,519 Speaker 5: what their strengths are and the challenges is taking away 177 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,159 Speaker 5: from them. So that's what it is. And pretty cheness 178 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:58,119 Speaker 5: taking on a bigger role in the defense. I'm playing 179 00:08:58,119 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 5: almost every step I think the past two weeks. 180 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 4: What have you seen from him now that he has 181 00:09:01,199 --> 00:09:02,238 Speaker 4: stepped into that bigger role? 182 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 5: Him just being consistent every every time he steps on 183 00:09:05,599 --> 00:09:07,999 Speaker 5: the field. His business is south the past south to 184 00:09:08,119 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 5: run sets at the edge, made great TfL plays and 185 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,799 Speaker 5: run plays and then also be very effective in the 186 00:09:13,839 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 5: past game. Also, he also can drop back too, so 187 00:09:17,199 --> 00:09:21,399 Speaker 5: he's very versatile after the game. 188 00:09:21,439 --> 00:09:25,999 Speaker 3: Then we're getting closer, even though the results aren't there. 189 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:27,479 Speaker 4: Sometimes for you guys, do you feel that. 190 00:09:27,879 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: Do you sense that, then it's gonna click soon. 191 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:33,879 Speaker 5: I think we're doing a great job to pick it 192 00:09:33,959 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 5: back off what he said. I think we're doing really 193 00:09:35,959 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 5: good jobs. I think there's one or two plays here 194 00:09:38,359 --> 00:09:40,999 Speaker 5: that changed the outcome of games. But for the most part, 195 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:44,039 Speaker 5: I think we're staying together, which is very important, and 196 00:09:44,439 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 5: putting good stuff on film. 197 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 4: So yeah, see find the question to you just go 198 00:09:51,359 --> 00:09:54,519 Speaker 4: back to Anthredy who said your high muddles as a player. 199 00:09:54,839 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 4: But this person came to the league in a couple 200 00:09:57,239 --> 00:09:59,639 Speaker 4: of years where it goes out of the field a 201 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 4: lot for us reasons. What have you seen from him 202 00:10:03,599 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 4: the leadership standpoint? Interested in a lot with in the huddle. 203 00:10:08,119 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 5: O course the last couple of years on score, this 204 00:10:10,319 --> 00:10:14,078 Speaker 5: is his mindset. Just to what you said. He didn't 205 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:16,239 Speaker 5: start off the way he wanted to, but every time 206 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:19,359 Speaker 5: he said something in the field, he always gave that 207 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:22,799 Speaker 5: tenacity that teams that coaches look look for, you know, 208 00:10:23,319 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 5: and every I think his I think it was last 209 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 5: year where he just took off. But that's what he's 210 00:10:28,239 --> 00:10:31,479 Speaker 5: always done. He's always been that player. Everything he sells 211 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:34,759 Speaker 5: on the field, made good plays, big plays. But I 212 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 5: think now they are all came and came together that 213 00:10:37,119 --> 00:10:39,999 Speaker 5: one year and ever since since then this has been 214 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:40,479 Speaker 5: going up. 215 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:48,239 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, Patriots Playbook join John Brook as 216 00:10:48,239 --> 00:10:50,519 Speaker 2: he brings you all the latest Patriots Talk an expert 217 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: commentary direct from Patriots HQ. The show features interviews with 218 00:10:54,239 --> 00:10:56,279 Speaker 2: New England and Opponent Beat writers that bring you a 219 00:10:56,359 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: unique media view of the state of the team. 220 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:00,919 Speaker 1: But where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one 221 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:03,759 Speaker 1: thing done, and let's get it done right and then. 222 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:05,159 Speaker 5: We can worry about versatility. 223 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:06,479 Speaker 1: Am I lying to anybody here? 224 00:11:06,719 --> 00:11:08,159 Speaker 2: Let's just get one thing done. 225 00:11:08,239 --> 00:11:10,879 Speaker 5: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 226 00:11:10,999 --> 00:11:11,479 Speaker 5: move along. 227 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,039 Speaker 1: That's kind of my biggest thing. 228 00:11:13,079 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.