1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm excited today because 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: we do have Congresswoman Virginia at Fox from North Carolina's 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: fifth district with us today. I want to talk to 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: her all about education. She is the chairwoman of the 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: House Committee on Education and the Workforce. It's an important 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: conversation because she's done a lot of work to ensure 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: that we are not wasting money anymore. But also she 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: has a lot to talk about what's going on on 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: these college campuses today. You probably saw over the weekend 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: we had students that were screaming and protesting and running 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: out of the commencement ceremony at Duke University. I just 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: want to make it clear it was not the majority. 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: It was well broadcasted across the country. It was not 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: the majority. There were also people who were very supportive 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: of their speaker, Jerry Seinfeld, who came onto the campus 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: to give the commencement speech, and it was very well received. 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: But we do have these few, very loud people who 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: are getting a lot of attention, and really that's why 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: it is so important to support our friends over in 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Israel right now. Remember, since October seventh, the attacks in 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: Israel have increased. Iran and its proxies are continuing to 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,639 Speaker 1: launch attacks against the Israelis. 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Hear us talking 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: about needing to support the folks in Israel, but we 46 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: also need to support people here on the ground in 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: the United States, don't we. 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: Yes, we do. And what's happening on these campuses is 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: just unconscionable to there is. It is terrible, And as 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: you mentioned yesterday at Duke, my understanding was it was 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: only about thirty students, and in many ways I wish 52 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: they didn't get any attention because there's such a small 53 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: group of them, because that takes away attention from the 54 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: people who wanted to be there. And my understanding is 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: that Jerry Seinfeld said nothing about Israel, said nothing political. 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: He has always stayed away from political things. He wants 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: to be a comic and that's what he is. He 58 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: has a child graduating, He had a child graduating yesterday. 59 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: Am I understanding another child there? But I'm really proud 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: of Duke University and how the people handled it there. 61 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: I think it was phenomenal, and I agree with you 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: on the point that these people should not be getting 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: the attention that they are getting. However, on the flip 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: side of that, I will say it doesn't seem to 65 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: be doing well for the Democrats in polling right now. 66 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: You have Joe Biden who can't seem to figure out 67 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: where he stands on this issue, which I think is 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: shocking to me because, like you said, it's a small, 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: loud minority. It's not a majority of people, and it 70 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: should not be getting the attention that it is. And 71 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: I think even as I watched the leftist media, they're 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: a little panic that it is getting the attention, and 73 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: I think they're getting panicked that the universities are getting 74 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: the attention. You have an interesting take on this because 75 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: of your background. Can you get into your background a 76 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: little bit so people understand why education is so important 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: to you. 78 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I grew up in the mountains of North Carolina. 79 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: Moved there when I was six and a half years 80 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: old from New York. My mother's family was from there. 81 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: I grew up in houses and with no electricity and 82 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: no running water, and I knew from early in my 83 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: life that getting a good education and working hard. In 84 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: this country, you could be successful, You could get out 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: of poverty. My husband had a similar situation, even worse 86 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: than I. He was living in a bus when I 87 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: met him tutor, and he was in college. So we 88 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: came from deep, deep poverty. Working hard and getting a 89 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 2: good education is the key to success in this country, 90 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: the working hard part along with the education, and so 91 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: all my life what I've tried to do is provide 92 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: that opportunity for other people. I worked in education. I 93 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: was on a school board for twelve years. I was 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: an administrator at a university, I was an assistant dean, 95 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: and I became the president of community college. So my 96 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: whole life has been devoted to helping people get a 97 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: good education. That doesn't always mean getting a baccalaureate degree. 98 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: My brother told me he didn't want to get a 99 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: baccalaureate degree. He wanted to be a carpenter, and so 100 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: I arranged for an apprenticeship program for him, so he 101 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: got his journeyman license. What people need in this country 102 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 2: is a good education, as I said, and certification most 103 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: of the time. But I'm very interested in that, and 104 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: my whole life has been devoted to that I got 105 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: to Congress. I got a chance to be on the 106 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: Education Committee, and now I'm the chair for the second time, 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: which is a phenomenon. I had to get a waiver 108 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: from the Republicans in the House to do that. But 109 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm working very, very hard on improving what is happening 110 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: in education in our country, lowering the costs of an education, 111 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: and helping more students complete both a baccalaureate degree as 112 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: well as any other degree or diploma or certification that 113 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: they want to get. It's a great honor for me 114 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: coming from where I came from. But Tudor, that's what 115 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: this country's about. It's about anybody being willing to work 116 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: hard and get a good education, they can be successful. 117 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: You know, I hear in your background. I love what 118 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: you're saying because you have sort of this good reputation 119 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: in Congress for being a no nonsense, get down to business, 120 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: hardcore congress woman, and I love that about you. You 121 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: recently had an interaction at the elevator. I want to 122 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: play that and then I want to talk to you 123 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: about that. So here it is. 124 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: Thinking about I've got things to do, and why do 125 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: you think aunt symtism. 126 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: Is the problem, and not Auntie Islamophobia. 127 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: You're not welcome on this elevator. It's a members of 128 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: sorrying a lot of so many young people. Why are 129 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: you attacking children and teachers who are just trying to 130 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: speak to all Why are you having that. 131 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: Appreciate that about you because you have You've lived what 132 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: you what you just said about coming from poverty. You 133 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: have lived a no nonsense life where you had to 134 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: fight to get to the point where you can ride 135 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: that elevator. And I appreciate what you've done, but I 136 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: also think it's important for us to sometimes just say this, 137 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: it's not your place. 138 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: Correct. That was a group from Code Pink. They had 139 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: already disrupted our hearing that we were having. They most 140 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: of them wear pink clothes, but they're known all over 141 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: Congress for coming in and disrupting meetings. The police have 142 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: to take them out, They stop hallways. They're nothing but obstructionists, 143 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: and it's just unfortunate. We have about one out of 144 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: every twenty elevators in the buildings are there for us 145 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: because we're always in a hurry. I was late for 146 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: a meeting. I was leaving one meeting going over to 147 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: the floor to speak, and so I didn't have time 148 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: for that foolishness with them. And all they want to 149 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: do is ask you gotcha questions, and it's not what 150 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: we need to be wasting our time on. There were 151 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: police around the corner, but they didn't hear me, But 152 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: fortunately the young man took them off elevator so that 153 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: I could go on with my work. 154 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: We've become a society where we think this is okay, though, 155 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: where we allow people to come up, and I think 156 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: too often there are people that are willing to engage 157 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: because they like the notoriety, they like getting out there 158 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: on social media and being that person. And I think 159 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: you have such a valuable lesson to teach that it 160 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: is time to buckle down, get to business, forget about 161 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: all of the noise, all of the Twitter fame, and 162 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: focus on getting things done. When you look at these 163 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: college presidents, because you've been a community college president, and 164 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: when you see what's happening on these college campuses, why 165 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: aren't they doing that same thing. Why aren't they saying 166 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: we don't have time for this. Get out? 167 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know that's what I said to the college 168 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: president that we've had in for hearings. I met for them. 169 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: I have a time, and I told all of them 170 00:09:53,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: get a spine. Why understand and explain moral larity to people. 171 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,359 Speaker 2: What these students are doing in their protests, stopping classes, 172 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: threatening Jewish students, keeping them from going to class is wrong. 173 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: And I even asked one of the presidents, do you 174 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: have children. If you have children, you know how to 175 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: handle these people. They are children, basically, you know, and 176 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: you have to teach them the difference between right and wrong, 177 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: and you know, Tootor When we had the press conference 178 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: up at Columbia, I had a one minute speech to make, 179 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: and I knew I had better stick to the script. 180 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: But when I looked out at those students down below 181 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: us and at the encampment, what I wanted to say 182 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: is what a bunch of juvenile delinquents you people are 183 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: And your parents are paying ninety thousand dollars a year 184 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: for you to attend this institution, which is supposed to 185 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: be quote an elite end quote institution, and here you 186 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: are just acting like a bunch of again juvenile delinquents. 187 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 188 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Well, and the other thing that 189 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: I keep hearing from these college presidents and from local 190 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: news stations is these aren't the actual students. Some of 191 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: them are students, but they're being organized by these people 192 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: who are in their late thirties early forties who are 193 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: coming on the campus. This is shocking to me because 194 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm in Michigan. Just a year ago or a little 195 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: bit over a year ago, we had the horrible shooting 196 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: at Michigan State's campus by someone who wandered onto campus 197 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: who was not a student, and students have said, we 198 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: haven't heard from the state government about what they're going 199 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: to do to make Michigan States campus more safer, to 200 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: make sure that we don't have this situation. And now 201 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: here I see college campuses across the country who are 202 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: allowing people to organize students and who knows what they're 203 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: going to do. Why is there not a safety issue 204 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: with these people who aren't students living on the campus 205 00:11:59,360 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: in a tent. 206 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's what should have happened at all these schools. 207 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: And when they did arrest these people, two thirds of 208 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: them and in most cases are not affiliated with the universities. 209 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: You mentioned thirty forty year olds. There's one woman at 210 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: Columbia in her sixties, and she's being paid three hundred 211 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: dollars a day for going out and organizing them. And 212 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: if you look closely at the videos there at Columbia, 213 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: you can see her directing all of the activity. And 214 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: there's a big article that has just come out in 215 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: a magazine called Tablet that I read last night about 216 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: the interaction of all of these foundations and different groups 217 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: that are fomenting this aggression on these campuses. And it's wrong, 218 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: and it's the students. You know, Rush Limbaugh used to say, 219 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: they have brains of mush and they need to be developed, 220 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: and they don't know in many cases what they're doing. 221 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: They're easily influenced. I don't excuse them. I do not 222 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: excuse them for doing illegal things, but they're easy to 223 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: be influenced by these other people who have been educated 224 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 2: in these Marxist tactics over the years. This has been 225 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: going on for a long time. The preparation for these 226 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: encampments have been happening for a long time. Toodor. This 227 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: is nothing that just happened overnight, And you can trace 228 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: it back again to the nineteen sixties in many cases, 229 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: but even before that, we've got Marxists doing this. 230 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: The brains of mush are the easiest ones to form 231 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: and determine how they're going to move forward. And I 232 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: think that if you look back at history, as you're saying, 233 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: the sixties, but I mean even if you're looking at 234 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: other countries and empires that take over in communist dictator 235 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: that rise up, they always go for the youth. And 236 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: it's interesting if you talk to some of the people 237 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: who have seen the changes in China over the last 238 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: several decades, they will say that even the youth, we're 239 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: turned against their parents, which we are seeing today, the 240 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: youth turned against their parents and saying no, if you 241 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: don't comply, we're going to cut you off. I mean, 242 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: how do we not see what's really going on? How 243 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: do people continuously choose to not look back at history 244 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: and not see this. 245 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: Well, As we've said, there's an old saying if we 246 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: don't understand history, we are condemned to repeat it. And 247 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: that's important that people do make the connections between what's 248 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: happening in other countries and what's happening here and what's 249 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: happened in the past. And as always followed, the money, 250 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: who is paying for this and you will see that 251 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: there are people with nefarious reasons for doing all of 252 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: these things. They want to tear down our country. The 253 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: sad thing about it is they don't really have a 254 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: good replacement for it. This is the greatest country in 255 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: the world. I'll say that over and over and over again. 256 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: There has never been a place where people have had 257 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: so much opportunity, and there's never been a country that 258 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: has done so much good across the world. We have 259 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: made inventions, we have cured diseases, We've done all of 260 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: these things found in the United States, and we've exported 261 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: them to other countries, in most cases free of charge. 262 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: We are a wonderful country, and for the most part, 263 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: people here are wonderful. You know. I come home every 264 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: weekend and I'm out and about with the people I represent. 265 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: I gave a Lincoln Day speech, Lincoln Reagan Day's speech 266 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: Saturday night to a group of people just over the 267 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: border in Tennessee, and I'm so glad I did, because 268 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: I was in vigorated by them and by their down 269 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: to earth philosophy and their commitment to doing good. 270 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: Well, and what you said about the country and people's 271 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: commitment to doing good when you are doing good, and 272 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: when you are the one bastion of protection and goodness 273 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: across the world, the enemy is at its strongest and 274 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: that's when the knives are out to take you down. 275 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: And like you said, there is no other country that's 276 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: stepping into this role. There's nobody else. Once the United 277 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: States goes down, which I don't believe it will, but 278 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: that's the goal, is to take it down, and it's 279 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: not a good, beautiful place anymore. There's nobody standing in 280 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: the way. And that's what President Trump has said so 281 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: many times. They're not after me, they're after you. I'm 282 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: standing in the way. I mean, that's the entire country 283 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: right now. We need people who are standing like yourself, 284 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: like President Trump, who are standing in the way and 285 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: saying no. One of the things that I think is 286 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: so alluring from the left is that they're willing to 287 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: give you free things. They're willing to buy your vote. 288 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: And right now we see Joe Biden doing that with 289 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: the student loan program, which he's already been shut down on, 290 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: and I think people weren't really understanding this's like why 291 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: he got shut down, but he's doing it again. So 292 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about HR. Six ninety 293 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: five one and what you're doing there. 294 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, let me say something about the 295 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: student loan issue, and then I'll come to the College 296 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: Costs and Reduction Act. The Supreme Court told President Biden 297 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: he could not pay off those loans as he had 298 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: said he was going to do. But they're ignoring the 299 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. This is another situation that people have to 300 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: understand too. There's never been an administration that has been 301 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: so lawless as this one. They completely defile the law. 302 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: They say that words in laws mean one thing that 303 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: can never had any re wanting to be Those words 304 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: were not meant to be used the way the administration 305 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: is using them. You know, when we file a bill, 306 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: we file committee reports and we explain what we mean. 307 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: And so what they're doing is they're twisting words. Of 308 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 2: course they're very good at that. So what we're doing 309 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 2: with the College Costs and Reduction Act, and it's a 310 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: great bill. It does so many good things that the 311 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: people in this country are interested in. Number One, it 312 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: stops the Department of Education from paying off loans that 313 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: they're not authorized to pay off. We will maintain a 314 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: loan program at the federal level. Now, if I had 315 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 2: my way about it, let me state, I would get 316 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: the federal government completely out of education. The word education 317 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 2: is not in the Constitution as a responsibility for the 318 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: federal government. However, I know I can't do that, So 319 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to do everything I can to make the 320 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: federal government transparent and accountable to the American people. So 321 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: the College Cost Reduction Act will first of all, stop 322 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: the Department from doing lawless things. Then what we do 323 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: is we put a focus on the colleges and universities 324 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: and we force them to give parents and students information 325 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: about college and what it's going to cost, how long 326 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: it's going to take to get a degree, what is 327 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: the likelihood that you will get a job with the 328 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: major that you came into, And it shares with them 329 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: their financial aid in a very understandable way. Right now, 330 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: many schools are misleading students about their financial aid. They're 331 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: not presenting their financial aid situation to them properly, and 332 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: so they get fooled into borrowing money thinking that they're 333 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: getting grants. So it's all about transparency and accountability. We 334 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: know this will bring down the cost of college, and 335 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: we know that it'll make the colleges more accountable. And 336 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: by the way, if the colleges don't do what they're 337 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: supposed to do, they'll be on the hook for some 338 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: of the debt that the students incur if when they 339 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: graduate they can't get a job with their major and 340 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: pay off their debt. So it's a really, really good bill, 341 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: and I hope to pass it in the House before 342 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: the August three, says I now have ninety six co 343 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 2: sponsors for the bill, which is a lot post sponsors 344 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: for a bill like this coming in out of the 345 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 2: Education Committee. But the American people have awakened to the 346 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: problems in the colleges and universities, and so have members 347 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: of Congress. 348 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I mean the fact that we've just kind of ignored this. 349 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: But there's no other situation in the world or in 350 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: this country where you can take a loan with no 351 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: prime have been able to pay it back. I mean, 352 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: you are scrutinized all of your income everything. If you 353 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: take this loan, you have to be ensured that you 354 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: are going to pay it back. But this has gotten 355 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: out of hand and instead we just want to gift 356 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: it over to students. Oh yeah, we're going to let 357 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: this go Joe Biden doing this right now. To me, 358 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: I think that this is also a critical mistake in 359 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: his campaign because the young people are turning against him, 360 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: The people he's paying their education off are turney against him, 361 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: and the people who have paid their own education off 362 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: and are going to have to pay for these young 363 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: students are not happy about this. 364 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: Well, and to let me just say, some of these 365 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: people are young, but some of these people are in 366 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: established position and established professions, and a large segment of 367 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: them make over three hundred thousand dollars a year. What 368 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: Biden is trying to portray is that these are all 369 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: struggling young people straight out of college. That's not true. 370 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: Some of these people have been out of college ten 371 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: twenty years and they have not paid back their loans, 372 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: and they're capable of paying back their loans. But that's 373 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: and you're right, people are turning against him because what 374 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: he's doing is transferring that from thirteen percent of the population. 375 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: It's only thirteen percent of the population that has these debts, 376 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 2: and he wants you and me and the other eighty 377 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 2: seven percent of the population, most of whom did not 378 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: go to college. You know, only about thirty percent of 379 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: the people in this country have college degrees, and yet 380 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: they're asking the people who chose. Some chose not to 381 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: go to college because they wanted to go into other professions. 382 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: And I call every working person in this country a professional, 383 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: because if you are working and you're making a living, 384 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: you're a professional. And I think that's important to talk about. 385 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: But those people chose not to go to college for 386 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 2: many reasons. Some went to college, maybe for a short time, 387 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: some and didn't borrow money. Some are like I am. 388 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: It took me seven years to get my undergraduate degree 389 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: because I worked full time and went to school part time. 390 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: And then there are many who paid off their loans, 391 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: or many whose parents worked two jobs to have enough 392 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 2: money to pay for their college. But those are the 393 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: people who are being shafted by what Biden wants to do, 394 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: and those are the people we hope will vote against 395 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: him this fall. But we have to understand this is 396 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: going to be a very tight election. It's not going 397 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 2: to be easy for President Trump to win again, and 398 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: it's going to be very important that everybody remember how 399 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 2: they've been treated by the Trump administration. 400 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: Well, and that's why we do this. Let's take a 401 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: quick commercial break. We can continue next on a Tutor 402 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: Dixon podcast. I think it's so important to continually educate 403 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: people and remind them of what's happening, because I think 404 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: that people don't necessarily have all the information right at 405 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: their fingertips. Before I let you go, you've talked a 406 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: lot about the educate the Department of ED. You've called 407 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: on the Education Secretary to resign a couple of times 408 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: now because you say that he is mishandling tax dollars. 409 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: He hasn't taken care of this situation with colleges in 410 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: title nine is just ridiculous. What's happening there. Tell us 411 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: a little bit about that before we let you go. 412 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: Sure, the whole department has been totally incompetent, and he's 413 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: the head of the department, so it's his responsibility. We 414 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: haven't even talked about the FACA. The FACA is the 415 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 2: application form that students fill out for financial aid. It 416 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: was supposed to be Congress simplified it over three years ago, 417 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: gave it to the department to implement, could not implement 418 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: it right now. It looks like as many as thirty 419 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: percent of students who were planning to go to college 420 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 2: this fall won't be going because they have no idea 421 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: what their financial aid situation is. The Face is a 422 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: disaster and people all over the country know it. Another 423 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: thing is the department has failed its audit two years 424 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: in a row. KPMG has gone in and said they're 425 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: in such a mess, we can't audit them. My goodness, 426 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: this apartment have done nothing right. I went through a 427 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: litany of things. I think I gave the secretary five 428 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: f's in our hearing last week. And you know, I 429 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: am a former teacher, and when you get five f's, 430 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: that's pretty bad. That means you should If you're in college, 431 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: you probably should should get out, or if you're the secretary, 432 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: you should resign. 433 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I one hundred percent agree with you, and I 434 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: agree with you on making sure that we know people 435 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: need to get out there and vote, because this is 436 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that will continue if you don't 437 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: get out there and vote. And I see every day, 438 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: like even over the weekend, I saw everybody talking about 439 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: look at all the people that came out to the 440 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: rally in New Jersey, and I said, you know what, 441 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: they did it the last time too. You still have 442 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: to have a ground game. You still have to get 443 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: people out, make sure you take advantage of voting early, 444 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: getting those absentees back, and making sure people get to 445 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: the polls that I just can't say that enough. 446 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: Well, we have a great country again. I always want 447 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: to emphasize that, and I agree with you. I don't 448 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 2: think it's going to be destroyed, but it's up to 449 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: the people to keep that from happening. I can do 450 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: my part, you can do your part, but educating the 451 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: public is so important and that's what I try to 452 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: do every day, and I appreciate you doing that too. 453 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Virginia Fox, thank you so much for being on today. 454 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me toutor God continue to bless you. 455 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thank you all for joining 456 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 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