1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Well, come on in to off the edge with Cam Jordan, 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: I have the privilege to sit with. I'm learning the 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: hierarchy of things, right. There's always levels to life with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the executive vice president of Football Operations at the NFL. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: But I've known him as Troy mister senior, Troy Vincent, 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: a man who's played in the league for fifteen years. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I know him from the Philadelphia time, been with a 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: few different teams. A man who's been an All Pro 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: man who's been a pro bowler, man who has you know, 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: his accolades speak for himself. And on the opposite side, 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: which now he's the enemy of where he started because 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: he started off an NFLPA and then not an enemy. 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: For me, it was always a partnership. It was always 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: a partnership and just making sure that we kept the 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 2: game on the table. Treat the players right. You can 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: make money, but you got to do right by the players. 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: That was always my position as an elected official. You're 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: familiar with that. So my thirteen of my fifteen years 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: I served as an elected officer. Yeah, to serve the 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: player in the locker room, making sure the players understood 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: his rights, his hours, wages, working conditions, and then you know, 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: I had the opportunity also to I think I did 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: four CBA extensions. But anytime, we're going to have some 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: things that we disagree on. But the one thing we 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: can't disagree on it's the game and the players. Right, 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: best coaches in the world, best players in the world. 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: We can make money, but you got to do right 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: by the people. 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: I see you left the refs out, But okay, I 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: appreciate that. We're not going to talk about it because well, 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, like they affect you know, while you're in it. 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: They affect the game, and sometimes what you'd say, non 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: non bias ways seemingly non biased ways. 34 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: I don't think they're intentionally doing that to affect the game. 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: I think now with technology now, with the expansion of 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: a few rules, I think some of those things that 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: worry people, I think we can fix some of those things. 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: We still want the game to be played on the 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: field and officiated on the field, and then tweaking a 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: few things that technology allows us to lean into. But 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: I don't think any player I know I wouldn't. I 42 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: don't want another eye in the sky determining a play 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 2: inside of my stadium. 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: I was like let's eyes, so we can actually play 45 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: the correct, correct, right correct, and then you have a 46 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: you have a good old zebra striper. Just throw one 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: of those flags. If we play corner the way you 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: played back in the day couldn't be played now. 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: I get asked that question often, Absolutely not as the answer, 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: I would have had to adjust. And I just think 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: you all today. I just love watching you all play. Yeah, 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 2: your phenomenal athletes. The adjustments that we I'm gonna say, 53 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: we we ask the players to make and watch them 54 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: make it. Is it extraordinary. I do believe there's some 55 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 2: play type that occurred years ago that some of those 56 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: players probably couldn't adjust. But the vast majority, the few tweaks, 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: but they gave me. They always gave me warnings. Hey, 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: hey twenty you know twenty three, get your hands off, Hey, 59 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: ease Up's so you had that progression, but even yeah, 60 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: just think about that, just as a dB, you're back pedaling. 61 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: You got to come off of a cover two with 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: the run coming into the outside, and next thing you know, 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: you got to face the office of lineman. Used to 64 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: be able to chop them. That's gone now and now. 65 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: So it was interesting. I was in a competition committee meeting. 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: I have to full transparency here. I've been in one 67 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: of those when that discussion came up about removing the 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: cutting in space and the dB or the offensive lineman 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: because they would cut two out in space. I just remember, man, 70 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: I learned how to really hurt somebody. Yeah, you know, 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: I was taught how to go getting and make sure 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: that he didn't get up. But that's what I was taught. 73 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: And now and now then I when I see it, 74 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: I know better. And I was that was celebrated on 75 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: Mondays and Tuesdays. All right, you know he gonna pull 76 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: you know he's gonna do this brown baby. Yes, and 77 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: you get that. You get you get that inside need 78 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: the right way with the inside part of your helmet. 79 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: You're gonna tear everything up. 80 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: YEA. Fear me, that's the part of but that's part 81 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: of the defense. 82 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: Though I understand imposing your will fear me to intentionally, 83 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: but to intentionally harm. He wants the same thing you want. 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: I want to take home that paragraph five just like 85 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: you do. You're gonna have to earn a difference, I know, 86 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: but I just think the unnecessary risk that's associated with it. 87 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: It was the part. 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: That that's that's what the game I grew up to love. Though, 89 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: when you saw most what when you when you saw 90 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: somebody come down like Ray Ray what Ray Lewis bit 91 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: when he was first in the lead coming down smacking people. 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: Dante Hitner. When I first got to lead, I said, Oh, 93 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: they're different, Dante Whitner, He's Hittner. 94 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: So here we go. So what did you think about 95 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: the hip drop? 96 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up because I was gonna 97 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: let you live the hip drop if it happens once 98 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: a game, right, I'm not understanding the effects of the game. 99 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: Now do I get it from from a fans view 100 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: of Oh, it's a it's what you said, a malicious 101 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: intent tackle, is it? No, it's a smaller person normally 102 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: trying to tackle. 103 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: A bigger It's not in the research shows that, the 104 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: video shows it's not a smaller person on the big 105 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: it's actually a bigger person on a smaller person. I'm 106 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 2: happy you referenced those guys, Dante Whitner. Yeah, play with 107 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: Dante Navar Boweman. So I'm just gonna start with the 108 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: defenders because I had to. I was just sharing this 109 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: conversation with Takio Spikes. Yeah, and him and London Fletcher 110 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: were two of my teammates, but were just like you, man, 111 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: what are you? What are you thinking about? TA like 112 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: you done lost your mind? This help us? Then I 113 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: started thinking about I said, in Miami played with Brian Cox, 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: Lewis Oliver, in Philly, Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Bobby Taylor, 115 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: Hugh Douglas, some great tacklers. I go to Buffalo to 116 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: Keyo Spikes, London Fletcher, Lawyer Molloy, Nate Clemens, I forget 117 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: Fletch started over it, go to Washington, Sean Taylor and others. 118 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: I've never seen any of those great tacklers tackle someone 119 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: this way, the unwaiting of their body on the back 120 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: of the leg trapping. 121 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 122 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: So I had to put it in context. Tea. I've 123 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: seen you made a thousand tackles in the season. I've 124 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: never seen you in London ever tackle anybody this way. 125 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: And once I said that, you go, you go. DK. 126 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: I've never seen you tackling. I've seen you do some 127 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: crazy things, crazy things, but I've never seen you do that. 128 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: But the A twenty to twenty five X injury rate, 129 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: I just think as a gatekeeper of the game, I 130 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: can't walk out of any room and go, wait a minute, 131 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: we're not going to do nothing about this is a 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five x injury rate on that tackle. Yeah, 133 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: come on, coaches. So I don't know if the officials 134 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: then tent was not to throw more flags, but today 135 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: I didn't have anything to even address it. And we've 136 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: been watching it for three years, literally studying it, watching 137 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: it showing up at the college level now, the high 138 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: school level now, and it's when the player is down, 139 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: he down for weeks, if not the entire seaton. So 140 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: that was that was the entire season. 141 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, that's that's sort of you know again, 142 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: that's just a different era of football. Grow up. You know, 143 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: girl watching in the eighties. So you know, Pops played 144 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: in the eighties, early nineties. I was born what you 145 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: got out of college. 146 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: In eighty ninety two. 147 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: I was born in eighty nine. 148 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not. I watched Hip Hops, no doubt. 149 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: I didn't play with him. I watched it. So, I mean, you. 150 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Know what you got into the league ninety right, Pops 151 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: are still in there. 152 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: There was there was a there was a year or 153 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: two in Minnesota. 154 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he got out ninety four. Think about like, I 155 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: just think about that different era of football, speaking up 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: with watching the John Randles, the Chris Domans. Anyways, getting 157 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: off getting off something, it's fine, but the progression of 158 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: the game, you know where we've gone to. Now we 159 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: are the you know, we've always in my mind, we've 160 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: always been in the premiere sport, but we're the most 161 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: watched sport if you just look at our ratings whatever 162 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: that is. 163 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: Heara domestically. 164 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we're not going to bring international into it 165 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: because then we got work there. We we're breaking in 166 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: and later about this. I've got I've got ideas. 167 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: See, that's what I need is your ideas. 168 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's just in my mind. There could 169 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: be like an American got talent meets NFL clearly for overseas. 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: I like that. I'm just saying, so, when you're sitting 171 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: on something like that, why would you wait? Why wouldn't 172 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: you just pop me, pop me a text or an 173 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: email to say I. 174 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: Don't know how to I don't know, I don't know 175 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: how to email like an adult, and I don't need anybody, 176 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: but you can text. Absolutely, absolutely I'm gonna get on 177 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: that the fact, because it just sort of popped up 178 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: last week. I was like, why don't. I went to 179 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: Liberia with the Alva Kamara, a great teammates, and I always 180 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: told him if he ever went back to the Motherland, 181 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm going too. So I got a double dip. I 182 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: had Ghana with the NFL commercial and then I hit 183 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: Liberria with with my dog ak And I said, this 184 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: is untapped because these mugs look NFL rad is. 185 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: Because of that experience and because of the exposure. If 186 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: you don't come back and share. 187 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: How would you know? 188 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: How would I know? 189 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: Speaking of exposure, a lot of these kids walking into 190 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: the walk to you know, to the Draft hotel, I 191 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: saw a couple kids that I've heard about. The kids, 192 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: they're they're men, I guess, and especially with the COVID years, 193 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: some of these kids is like twenty five men as 194 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: A's wild. But you know walked in, you know, saw 195 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: you what I think is a potential number one overall 196 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: pick saw probably in my mind four or five, you know, 197 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: saw a defensive end Latu. I'm never going to say 198 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: that last name out of UCLA. And I was just like, 199 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: I was just thinking knowing the career that you had 200 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: on the field and off the field, what would be 201 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: the advice that you would give them after they get drafted. 202 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: So I started this conversation with those that will be 203 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: virtual that the destination is not being drafted. Absolutely, the 204 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: destination is making a roster and sustaining yourself because there's 205 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: a there's a mindset today as I arrived, but I 206 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: got here, I made it, and there's a loss of 207 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: the fight. There's a loss of the hungeredness that that. 208 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: I feel like and takes a part of that too, 209 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: no question. 210 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: But that is that's our new lands that's the new landscape, 211 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: and I and I share with them. You will literally 212 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: you're starting over, and your ability to retain information, your 213 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: your ability to show up every single day, and you 214 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: will be measured every single day. And because of the 215 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: Rookie Wade scale, we didn't have a Rookie way scale 216 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: when we came in. Who didn't you didn't. I didn't 217 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: have a rookie waist, You didn't have a rookie wag. 218 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: Was the first year after that was so the first 219 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: hated on the I. 220 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 2: Was giving you more. I was giving you a few 221 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: more that I don't want it. No, but the rookie 222 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: Wade scale. They'll move on you now because you're not 223 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: They're not paying you a ton of money, so they'll 224 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: move on you don't. 225 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: We just saw what happened in Chicago, which was crazy 226 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: with the top three overall. 227 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: Pick I am. 228 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: I do have Conner too, which is even crazy. The 229 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: league is not afraid to get what they want. 230 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: Know they will move on you quickly. It's a business. 231 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: We saw it with San Francisco with the Trey Lance 232 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 2: and if things aren't working out, they'll move on. You 233 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: could be the first, second third pick. I do have challenges, 234 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: not challenge, but concerns because today's current athlete, everything is 235 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: so transactional. It's not a pureness of a relationship. Where 236 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: do you find the loyalty exactly? 237 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: But that's always been the case from the team side 238 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: as well. 239 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: But I do believe in the past Cam, I think 240 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: there was a way to evaluate that Cam love the game. 241 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know there's a it was it was dry, 242 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: it was cut and dry. 243 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, does he love the game? 244 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: Before social media you can read out does he love 245 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: the game or does he love the lifestyle? 246 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: Correct? 247 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: But now at this point it's so blended. If you're 248 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: not a part of the game, how can you be 249 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: part of lifestyle? And if you're not a part of 250 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: the lifestyle, you can still be a part of the game. 251 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: And that's the intersectionality of it all. You can blend 252 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: both of those so quick you I'm not sure if 253 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: he's working out because he wants to, because he keeps 254 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: posting it and I love that he's on the grind, 255 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: but also is he just doing it for the likes 256 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: or is he doing it for himself? There's twenty times 257 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: I was like, bro, I was like, I had to 258 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: kill a workout where somebody would have captured this crazy 259 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: shit that I just did. Also, I don't. 260 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: Need the people in my business like that, but I 261 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: do have concerns. It is a different era of what 262 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 2: makes him tick. Yeah, and now this is happening when 263 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: you're fourteen fifteen and with your parents. No question, sit 264 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: down with your parents. If I'm not talking about signing bonus, 265 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: they're not having a conversation with me. I'm gonna repeat 266 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 2: that at fourteen and fifteen to walk into our household. 267 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: If I don't say, we can frame up to signing 268 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: bonus later missus Jordan and mister Jordan. We can talk 269 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: about some other things. We will get to the signing bonus, 270 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: because if I don't reference that, they're gonna ask already 271 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: out to help. 272 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: They already turned that off. You're not talking about that money. 273 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: So think about the love that you got to have 274 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: to compete here, as you well know, week in and 275 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: week out a loss, how you're going to show back up, 276 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: get yourself together, pick up the pieces, go evaluate the tape, 277 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: stay off social media because someone's disliking you or they 278 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: got thumbs down. And where does all of this go? 279 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: I go to the Pro Bowl. I see the young men, 280 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: which I completely appreciate. They're showing up with the trucks 281 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: and cars of production crews, like getting out the car. 282 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: So those are like the different where before you show 283 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: up you put some work in. Now they're not showing 284 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: up without their team capturing content. Is this about the 285 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: game or is this about you? And where do we all? So? 286 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it wasn't about the game until the 287 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl is the very much time to 288 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: be yourself and be able. 289 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but think about it with your first 290 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. 291 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Oh I was there first Pro Bowl Hawaii. 292 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: But you can't coming with you didn't have no cars. 293 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: It was you. 294 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: It was a big fan. Everybody invited. First Pro Bow, 295 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: everybody come in. 296 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying, but you didn't have a whole production crew 297 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: behind you. 298 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: We didn't have we didn't have filters like we had 299 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: filters now, Like Snapchat was really was really hinge at 300 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: the time, and you know, like Instagram was the new Facebook, Twitter, 301 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: Twitter was something that you got on, but it wasn't 302 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: like that. And now before you go you used to 303 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: go to like Yahoo for your information for your finance, 304 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: or Gmail, you know, Google or whatever it is. Now 305 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: you're going straight to Twitter. In the morning, you're like, 306 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: all right, what's trending, what's what's what's the what's the 307 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: hot icon? Like I'm good morning America. The TV show 308 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: used to be like, all right, my mom watches that, 309 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: so we're gonna catch some information. You know, Grandpa always 310 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: got the news on. Now everything's made ready available. 311 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: The resiliency, the grit, I feel like that part right has. 312 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say diminished, just cover differently. 313 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: It's cam cover different I came in the era with 314 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: three of days every day in facts today, you can't 315 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: have two padded practices in a row. 316 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. For longevity speak purposes, I appreciate that. 317 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: And honestly, let's just be real, Okay, So is that 318 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: the reason why you have poor tackling on game day? 319 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just feel like in terms 320 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: of in terms of in terms of star players, they 321 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: were never seeing three days anyways. And you could say 322 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: they did. 323 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: That's not Cam. I'm not sure that I know for 324 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: sure Caam and Philly Washington. I would just say we 325 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: did not win the big one. 326 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Chris Carter ever saw three 327 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: day and I didn't play with Chris. 328 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: No, I'm saying when I was going, okay, I'm just 329 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: but there was some two A days there, right, definitely 330 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: two A days on a very light prep. Eleven padded 331 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: practices in a single season. 332 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate that this last, like this last like with 333 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: seven or eight years, that that was part of that. 334 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: I said, look at this, it's like look at us. 335 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: I appreciate them absolute, but there's some unintended consequences that 336 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: come with it, for sure. So people say, hey, some sloppiness. Yeah, 337 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: it takes a little bit of time week four, week 338 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: five for people to hit their rhythm. People are good 339 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: tacklers because they tackle all the time. So people are 340 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: good catchers because, as you know, because they catch all 341 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: the time. Now it's just I thought it was. 342 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: Good catchers because they're protected over the middle at every chance. 343 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: Now they're seen as defensives receivers at every time they 344 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: touch the ball. But that's my gripes. 345 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't wait to come work work with me. 346 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: I can't. 347 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: I just became an NFL p rep, you know. 348 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: So it's awesome this last year or so. 349 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: And uh, it's very interesting, interesting in general just to 350 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: see hierarchies and or positionings of what I see now, 351 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: Like you know, without rendering anybody ineffective, I see both 352 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: sides like things clear, clear up. 353 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it's about the game. 354 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: That's all I wanted to be. 355 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: So you don't like the body weight the body weight. 356 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: Foul, Come on, I don't like half the fouls out 357 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: on a quarterback. But we've already been moving on. But 358 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: you know, like there's hey, that that's you know, I 359 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: get it. Protect your franchise, make it, make make the 360 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: make the picture perfect kid Still be picture perfect just 361 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: because he took a slow read and let his receiver. 362 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: If you don't have a quarterback, this season is done. 363 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: Sir Covid took out two quarterbacks and we had to 364 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: play with with a rookie quarterback against one Miami. 365 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: And every player though, week in and week out, if 366 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: you have a chance to win or not based off 367 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: of who's under the center, absolutely you. 368 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: Can still win. In spite of the Raiders did it 369 00:18:45,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: this year. Next question, what's the one thing about the 370 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: game that still gives you joy? Beyond you, of course 371 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: being in this position looking at it. How do the 372 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: fans enjoy it? What do you still enjoy about the game. 373 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: I enjoy watching just a beauty and the athleticism, because 374 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: sometimes I still have a I have a hard time 375 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: remembering that I used to do that like fifteen years baby. 376 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: When I watch what you all do, I'm amazed. I'm 377 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: looking at Coach Fuel who I work with, and Coach Still, 378 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: I was like, did you see that catch or did 379 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: you see that past Russia? Whoa that part? There's an 380 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: excitement that I see that I just enjoy and I'm 381 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: constantly reminded of just how special you guys are, but 382 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: I can't picture myself unless I see a video or 383 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: somebody you know, showed me something. I just some of 384 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: those things. I'm just like, man, I used to do that, 385 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: but I don't remember that part. But when I watch 386 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: you all, it's just a thing of beauty. That's the 387 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: part that I enjoy the most, the intensity level, some 388 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: of the rivalries. But then watching y'all do some special stuff. 389 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 2: I can look at the coach and go, WHOA did 390 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: you see that run that back? Put that in way 391 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: to play? You know. 392 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: So on the opposite spectrum, what sort of like wakes 393 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: you up in the middle of the night, Like, you know, 394 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: I didn't see my pops who've only played thirteen years 395 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: compared to your fifteen or my hopefully head end of 396 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: the year fourteen knock on withoo there, you know, wake 397 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: up and it looks like he's catching a ball in 398 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, you know, like he'll be 399 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: sleep and hands come out. I'm like, bro, it's not 400 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: your heyday anymore. Befe, Like what keeps you over the night? 401 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: It could be good or bad. It was like, just 402 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: what is there specific play? Like you know, my mine's 403 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: going to be forever haunted that a referee didn't get 404 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: the right call when when we played the Rams in 405 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. 406 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: And you know what I think about, Well, there will 407 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: will a death occur, and how would we actually respond 408 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: to that as a people? 409 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: And hopefully that never happens. 410 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: But we're in a we're in a sport that has 411 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: some of those levels of contact we can use the 412 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: term violence. How would we actually respond if that occurred. 413 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 2: The closest we had was a Tomorrow hamblin. Yeah, absolutely, 414 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: and you see how we responded, some of us. Some 415 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 2: people were paralyzed, some people, So it was that is 416 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: what that is? What is just like, Lord, what do 417 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: we do? And are we actually truly prepared to have 418 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: those discussions? You know, you can put some some things 419 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 2: and plans in place, but what if this occurs? And 420 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: then I also think about not just real time, but 421 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: you know what if there's a tragedy that happens in 422 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: a team, right is is wiped out? You know, what 423 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: are the what are those calls? So those are the 424 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 2: kind of things not to be But. 425 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you an adult, I'm like a kid. I've never 426 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: thought about. 427 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: They can happen. I mean, think about you know, we 428 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: we're on planes and stuff every day we see stuff happening. 429 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: What if something happens to a club. I know we 430 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: have some policies and place too, like. 431 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: Real life, like you're saying, like a martial situation, no 432 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: question back in the day, Well. 433 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: How are you going to how are we having that truth? 434 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: Now? 435 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: The conversation is real with the with the family, So 436 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: you know, how do we respond to that publicly? 437 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: Is there an answer for that? You got that? You 438 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: got that if you started formulating an answer for that. 439 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: I don't have an answer because there's you've got process. 440 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: But but I have to think about it absolutely because 441 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: there's a human element that we saw that played itself 442 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: out two years ago. 443 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: It was over, but like we can't play with one 444 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: of the brotherhood goes down for real, for real, Like again, 445 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: there's injuries that happen, and honestly, defensive side off the side. 446 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: You know, going into a game, you say a quick prayer, Lord, 447 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: protect both sides of the field. Don't let anybody get 448 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: injured for real real. 449 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: So but those things, when I say, because everything else, 450 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: I feel confident. Yeah, good about we got good practices redunding, 451 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: We got good policies, you got best practices across across 452 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: the organization. But then the thing that happened that there's 453 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: no one's expecting to happen, and now you have to 454 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: have a real it's a it's a true conversation, right, 455 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: and it's not in the manual. It's not something that 456 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: you studied. You know, how do we handle how do 457 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: we handle those things? 458 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, as trong as the NFL is, 459 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's a certain sort of guidelines to 460 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: get back because I mean, at one point. 461 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: I'm not saying we don't get back, yeah. 462 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: But I mean to be able to overcome. I mean, 463 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: we've we faced COVID where guys were you know, we 464 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: at one point we flew in two guys the night 465 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: before the game just to just to catch it. We 466 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: played Denver with the with the kid against a kid 467 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: who's playing quarterback who's bagging groceries two weeks before, you know, 468 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: like the NFL. 469 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: But machine, no, no, but listen, Cam, Yeah, you're. 470 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: Right, we forgo the human element aspect that person is 471 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: still alive, correct, So you can bring it. 472 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm talking about can't come back, can't come back. 473 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 474 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: So those are the kind of things I know. People like, 475 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: why why would it be think? Because those are things 476 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: I think about. Right, we're traveling all over the world, 477 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot that can happen. Germany game, Now, 478 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: what what can happen? What what happens if this happens? 479 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: The what ifs? 480 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what if this New Orleans Saints win the 481 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl? And Super Bowl fifty nine and New Orleans? 482 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: That's all I'm dreaming about these. 483 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: But it happened. We saw Tampa do it right? Could 484 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: New Orleans? Could New Orleans make that happen right? 485 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans. 486 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that Super Bowl. 487 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: Fifty nine in New Orleans. Are we getting excited about 488 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: it just yet? Like? When when do you get excited 489 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: about it? I got excited about it knowing it was 490 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: coming because it got pushed off for like two years 491 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: in our way, three years, New Stadius popped up, we 492 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: kept get we got we got rolled back, and then it. 493 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: So I started thinking about it the night that Kansas 494 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: City closed out fifty eight because immediately go to next cycle, 495 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: next cycle, literally you literally go all right, we're out 496 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: of Vegas. Here's where we are next year, and then 497 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: you just begin, you know, thinking about what are we 498 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: going to do differently? I'm thinking operations, officiating, What are 499 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: we going to do differently from that stadium to now 500 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: going down to New Orleans? 501 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: Right, well, I'll be there, you know what I'm saying. 502 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: I hope so hey, I'm gonna be there. Yeah, I'm 503 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: always I'm always there every Super Bowl week, you know, 504 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: and I would love to be on the field and playing. 505 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: That could be well, that'll be three actually home teams 506 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: in the last five. 507 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: Years in the Super Bowl in the Super Bowl? 508 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 2: Could that? Would that be? Right? 509 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: Tampa? I don't know, Lil Wayne's a green Bay charge 510 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: of green Bay fan. But that's fine. We'll get We'll 511 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: get robbed for nine division our division right now before 512 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: the draft. Absolutely after the draft, most likely. 513 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: Like Tampa owns that division for whatever reason. 514 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: We I mean, we had the same record, and the 515 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: previous years that they won, they won by you know, 516 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: they had a one game split on us own that 517 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: division or like barely coming out of there. You're right, 518 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: but you can't until you knock the fact off. 519 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 2: They either want it or you don't know facts. 520 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: You only good is you only good is the last game. 521 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: I didn't think that was coming. 522 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: From your last conference winch. 523 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you're right, Tom bowls doing something down there, 524 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: but go ahead. 525 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: They made it work with Baker Mayfield and then extended them, 526 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: so you know they got something going on that I 527 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: thought they might do something with Devin White. Devin White 528 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: comes back, I said, okay, it's not that, not that 529 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: they were going to go in the billion owed. 530 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 2: Fan of Cam I am a fan of and I 531 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 2: am a fan of coach Allen. 532 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: I love my guy DAA good people, great people. Good 533 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've got nothing but the highest respect for 534 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: especially dealing with we had to deal with as first. 535 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: Head coach to coming up. Yeah, good people that. 536 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: If that don't show your hard, I don't know what 537 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: does people. So just you know, I know we've talked 538 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: different Pro Bowls and over the years, like I've got 539 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: four kids, You've got you beat me out. You got five? 540 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 2: Right? I have five children and nine grands I just 541 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: had my ninth grand grandson, my ninth grandchild, my fourth 542 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: grand boy. 543 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: See, I got young kids. What does it feel like 544 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: watching your kids play like? You know, because I'm watching 545 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: my man's play t ball like please don't love it. 546 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: He's like. 547 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: I watched with a different eye because my wife's sitting 548 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: next to me and she's really all into it. I'm 549 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: looking at did he take care of the responsibility. I'm 550 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: just looking at it from a different game. But then 551 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 2: I have to be careful about what I say to 552 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: him afterwards because my wife is listening. But it's fun. 553 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 2: At the same time, I think about what I would 554 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: have done differently or differently, like done differently, and I'm 555 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: not trying to be him, but I had because I 556 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to watch our oldest boy, true Troy 557 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: Junior play at n C State and then tront at 558 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: Ohio State, and then but watching the game, like I'm 559 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: watching warm up, I'm like, he don't he got he 560 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: don't have to write intensity level to day, you know, 561 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: like you can't just turn it on, you know, Like 562 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: I'm looking at he's slipping, like he got to put 563 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: his foot in the ground, put his show over his toe, 564 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: Like do you. 565 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: Ever want to come off the stage, off the stands 566 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: and like go really talk. 567 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: I want to go really talk to him. And then 568 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: you know, my wife is looking at me like, no, 569 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: we be a parent today. Let him be, Let let 570 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: him be. So that part has been fun. And now 571 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: he's with the UFL team with Wade Phillips down with 572 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: the United Stamps, no brompt the Bromos, Bramos down to 573 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: San Antonio and. 574 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: Once they merged. Now now I've got to re learn 575 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: the team names I had him down. 576 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 2: So that part has been fun and I'm really looking 577 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: forward to I'm hoping. I'm pushing my daughter to get 578 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: her girls playing. Now that flag done, jumped off. 579 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: Flag, that's what the NFL is turned into. 580 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: But no, can you brought it up. 581 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: I had my daughter played flag and she was like, 582 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: she went back to soccer, and I understood it. My 583 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: oldest son plays play flag. That man asked me. 584 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: If I'm not a navocate for the game of football, 585 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: I love it, So why would you allow your daughter 586 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: to go play another to go play soccer? Because I 587 00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: believe it. 588 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: I believe it freedom of choice, you know, like, at 589 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: this point, tell me what you love, but you have 590 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: to try something now. 591 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: So you're one of those men that don't want women 592 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: to have good opportunities to play the sport, the great 593 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: sport of football. 594 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Are you trying? 595 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: Are you on record? Saying that you're I'm here. 596 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 1: I'm here to support and whatever that they want to do. 597 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: And my baby girl played played a full season and 598 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: I didn't see the passion that I wanted to see. 599 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: And I said, hey, do you want to play another 600 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: She said, no, Dad, I want to play soccer. And 601 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: we took out to soccer. She scored three goals. She said, 602 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: this is what I meant to do and I said, yes, ma'am, I'm. 603 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. I'm just it's something that during 604 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: the pandemic, she missed one. See, that's why she needs 605 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: to just play. How does she miss the goal? 606 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: The big old goal at five five years old was 607 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: really muddlehudleball. 608 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: Like she's going to return back to football. She's only five, man, 609 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: I tried, you're excited about I'm excited about that opportunity 610 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: to watch potentially my kids or my brand kids hit 611 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: the Olympics. I'm really really excited about that. 612 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: Last question I have for you now that we've talked 613 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: about flag is how how is it knowing that you 614 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: can catch scholarships from flag football from But that's the 615 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: seven on seven like direct relation. Never put pads onto But. 616 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: That's the beauty. That's the beauty of the sport. 617 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 618 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: So so when you think about football, the sport of football, 619 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: and this is when you put it in context, we 620 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: were probably one of the only sports that didn't have 621 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: other other ways of with basketball, you got five on five, 622 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: you got three on three. You know, you can go 623 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: on your driveway. When the pandemic hit, we were forced 624 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: to study who's playing and why they're playing, and there 625 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: was sports that grew inside the pandemic that time period 626 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: when the world was on lockdown, and it was like, 627 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: we need to expand what we do, we need to 628 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: welcome other forms of the game of football. Flag was 629 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: one why not why not young eighties? Why should we 630 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: not support young ladies like us playing seven on seven, 631 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: playing varsity football at the varsity level, earning a scholarship, 632 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: somebody paying for their education and they get a chance 633 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: to play ball and just watching it explode, cam Man, 634 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: it's competitive, absolutely, watching these young ladies get out. I 635 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: saw we was at the annual meeting and Steve Young 636 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: came back and talked about him coaching his daughters, d 637 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: Hot talking about seeing how his Flag leads have exploded 638 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: and brought the community together. Hey, LA twenty eight flag 639 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: football in the Olympics, laxt year in Paris, the World 640 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: Games like this we're going on here. In a few weeks, 641 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: we'll have our twelfth state sanctioned girl's varsity flag really 642 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: with Washington. I mean that's a that's awesome. 643 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: Love that for my kids. I've got three girls. 644 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. That's awesome. Colorado went this week, 645 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: Washington in the coming weeks give us twelve states and 646 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: it just keeps rolling. This August, n C two A 647 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: will be applying for flag football being an emerging sport 648 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: at the n C two. 649 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: A level, I mean, why not? Why not in college? 650 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: You know, Cal has a great field hockey program, But 651 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: I'd rather watch flag football. I'd rather watch rugby. But 652 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm also. 653 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: What do sound like Hardy Nickerson my mentor. 654 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: Cobts Hardy Nixon Junr. Was in the lead for a 655 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: little wile. 656 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: You know, I learned the Rogues. Yeah, as a PA 657 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: rep and as a player, Hardy Nickerson and Reggie White. 658 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: Okay, great, okay, greatness personified. I appreciate you tapping in anyways, 659 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: Big Doug. If anything, just major blessings for everything that 660 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: you've been over the years to the game, and you've 661 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: always been open with me. So I've got nothing but 662 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: appreciation for you, Cam. 663 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for what you do. You're an inspiration to 664 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: many of the young men, and as a veteran of legend, 665 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 2: I love to see young men take advantage of the 666 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: resources You've been intentional about life after the game, of 667 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: developing those skills, the right relationships. I just think you're 668 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: a real model that guys in any locker room could see. 669 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 2: Because it will end, and it's typically going to end 670 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: on somebody else's terms, but your intentionality. 671 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: It all, it all has to come to an end. 672 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: But you've been you've been a just a star man, 673 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: a rock star of both high performance and then the 674 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 2: things that you're doing off the field with you and 675 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 2: the wife and the kids. 676 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, appreciate it. 677 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: Appreciate it, true inspiration. 678 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: Thank you. You don't want to have been married for 679 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: thirty thirty years. I saw the wedding anniversary said thirty. 680 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to ask for seekers off the field, 681 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: but til then, I appreciate you. 682 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.