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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for clicking in to the Move the six podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bucky Brooks here with a man Lance Z to

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Speaker 1: recap the events that we've seen throughout the weekend. But

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Combine workout number three. We had

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Speaker 1: a chance to see the big guys go, the d

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Speaker 1: get to that, man, how are you doing. I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm tired, but you know, I got this

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Speaker 1: caffeine right here ready, and I'm ready to get back

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Speaker 1: already know she's going crazy already got that phone call

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Speaker 1: this morning. When you get back, Oh boy, here we go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try and get not a Hello or anything,

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Speaker 1: So look, man, there's a lot of stuff that went

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Speaker 1: I tweeted this out you're not supposed to see big

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Speaker 1: men run like the way that we've seen these big

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on? Every position is setting

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Speaker 1: That's why we're seeing these records. However, with that said,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's make adjustments in so Jordan Davis instead

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Speaker 1: In his fast you talked about Jordan Davis running to time.

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Speaker 1: The defense was dominant the entire year from beginning to end. George,

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Speaker 1: talk to David a job earlier and he talked about

427
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Speaker 1: he kind of got in your pocket and tried to

428
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Speaker 1: mimic everything that you did. Was it like having a

429
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Speaker 1: teammate that is also talented that you compete with on

430
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: a daily based basis. Yeah, it was great having him, uh,

431
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we were side by side since

432
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,400
Speaker 1: January of last year, and we were just getting after

433
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: it every workout, every uh, every practice. I mean, we

434
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: were just getting after it. And it's great because we

435
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: push each other in uh in ways you wouldn't even know.

436
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: And um, you know it was uh you know, you

437
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: can you can never have a bad day, you know

438
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: when you're when you're competing alongside your teammate like that.

439
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 1: So so I gotta, I gotta. I'm trying to get

440
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: behind the curtain understand the secret sauce that the Michigan

441
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: football program. We see you hear a lot of things

442
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: about Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh had a lot of success

443
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: in NFL level, He's had success at the collegiate level.

444
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: What have you learned from him and the way he's

445
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: built the program that will help you succeed at the

446
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: next level. Um, yeah, I think he really treats us

447
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 1: like NFL players, and I think he runs the program

448
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: like like it's uh, like it's the NFL. You know,

449
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,479
Speaker 1: he is very professional and um, you know you can

450
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: tell that he came from the NFL just just just

451
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: by how he does things. So, um, you know, he's

452
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 1: a great coach and I'm glad you know, there's a

453
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: lot of rumors about him this year, so I'm glad,

454
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: you know we can we can end those and you know,

455
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 1: he got that new contracts, So I'm happy for him

456
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm I'm excited to watch Michigan football next year. Okay,

457
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,959
Speaker 1: So there's the son of a defensive line coach. When

458
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: I watched you, I'm always paying attention to the vast

459
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: array of moves that you bring to the table. Where

460
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: do you develop those? How do you continue to refine

461
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: your technique? Um, when so many people are trying to

462
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: be on you and those things, how you continue to

463
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: get better and better at this stage of your career.

464
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think this year I simplified it. I

465
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: gave myself just just a few moves to do, and um,

466
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Speaker 1: I mean I worked him very hard in the off

467
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: seas in and you know in the once I got

468
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: to the games, I just trusted my game plan and

469
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: I rolled with it. And um, I mean every year

470
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: I get so much better. So I'm only twenty one too,

471
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,479
Speaker 1: So I mean, I I know I got a very

472
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: long way to go as well. All Right, so we

473
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Speaker 1: have pro day on the horizon. What are some of

474
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Speaker 1: the things you want to accomplish at your pro day.

475
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: What can you work on, how you can get better,

476
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: how you can kind of finish it, finish the last

477
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: part of the evaluation process the right way. Yeah, so

478
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: I did. I mean I did everything here but the bench,

479
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: So probably pro day. I'm just I'm just throwing up

480
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: a good number on bench and um saying hi to

481
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: old teammates and saying hi to scolets or whatever that

482
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: may be. So that's the plan. Well, look, man, we

483
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: look forward to watching you walk across the stage, shake

484
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Speaker 1: the commissioner's hand. Get drafted. Is one of the first

485
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Speaker 1: guys to go. Thanks so much for joining the six podcast.

486
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: So appreciate, appreciate you last the dude as a pro

487
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: he gets it. You know what um I wasn't able

488
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Speaker 1: to share on that interview is afterwards we talked and

489
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: I asked him um about how he turned it up

490
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Speaker 1: in term of his past fresh plan. He talked about

491
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: keeping things really simple, and he kind of spoke to

492
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: that in the interview, but he said he kind of

493
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: goes in with three pitches. You know, he has three

494
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: moves that he's gonna use. He's gonna work those moves

495
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: over and over again, and um, he's gonna trust the

496
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: plan even in the heat of the moment that he

497
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 1: knows he's trying to set up his fastball and at

498
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: the end and in those critical moments, he's gonna go

499
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: to it. And I think it's really smart. But I

500
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: think it's also something that all the great pass rushers have.

501
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: As much as we talk about having um a deep

502
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: bag or moves, a full repertoire or slate where you

503
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: have all these moves. When you look at the best ones,

504
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 1: the best ones kind of keep it simple and when

505
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: they come off the edge, they have a few, they

506
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Speaker 1: have a look, they have a fastball to have a

507
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: change up, and then they have a mix you know,

508
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: a curveball today through and every now and then. But

509
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: I mean you have to have an a level pitch

510
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: and he has that. Yeah, you you know, it's really about, Okay,

511
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: what's your go to move, what's your second move, what's

512
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: your your second go to approach and attack? And then

513
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: you want to have you really only need like one

514
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: counter off that as you mentioned, it's like changing speeds.

515
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: You got your fastball and then you're gonna throw it

516
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: ten to twelve miles an hour slower on a changeup.

517
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: And so that's what you don't really need, as you mentioned,

518
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: a ton of moves. You just need to really fine

519
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: tune the ones that you have. You need him to

520
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: be efficient. You don't want waste of motion. And uh,

521
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: and he's got he's got some of that. I think

522
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: his teammate, Davi with a Jabo, has some really splashy moves.

523
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: He's got inside span, outside spin. He's got fake bull

524
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: to the outside world, fake a bull and then try

525
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: to hit a and edge. And these are all things

526
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: that that he learned from watching, he said, just observing.

527
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: He'd watched josh uj go off in the on the

528
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: side of the indoor facility. Anytime he wasn't actually in

529
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: the field, he'd be out there working on moves. And

530
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Speaker 1: so David a Jabo told me he would study him.

531
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Speaker 1: He just watched him and mimic everything he did. He'd

532
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Speaker 1: go back to his room after practice and work on that.

533
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: He he said, he worked on quitty pay stutter step.

534
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: And so I think that's something for all the love

535
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna give Trayvon Walker. You know, he's gotta he's

536
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: got to develop that rush that rush toolbox and and

537
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: when you watch highlights of him, there's a lot of

538
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: great stuff on there. But one thing you don't see

539
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: is that edge burst coming off the edge and rushing.

540
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: And what I hear is, well, he can learn that

541
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: he's got all the he's got all the traits in place,

542
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: he can learn how to rush from the edge. Well,

543
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: that is going to take some time, and it's also

544
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: not a guarantee because some guys have the instincts and

545
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: some guys don't. So that's why you see some guys

546
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: like you know you talk about you talked about Trey Hendrickson.

547
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: I remember looking at him at East West Shrine game Bucket.

548
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember watching him there when

549
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: we were there. He had some freaky stuff like he's like, man,

550
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: this dude just gets to the quarterback a lot in

551
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: these one on one trails and he doesn't look like

552
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: it's hard for him. No, you know, he doesn't look

553
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: like it's hard for him. And I would say the

554
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: skill that we underrate and we don't talk enough about

555
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to evaluating pass rushers, uh relentlessness, the

556
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: ability to to get to the quarterback home second and

557
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: third effort not quitting secondary rush man secondary and rush

558
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: just for real. It's a big, big deal. Yeah, and

559
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things we always talk about,

560
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: first step quickness, snap, connticipation, bending bursts. Uh. We described

561
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: the moves that they used, whether it's a two hand

562
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: swipe or the long arm through the chest where they

563
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: kind of drive them back, or just a different rip.

564
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: But one of the things that the great rushers do

565
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: is they never quit on the play. And that may

566
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: lead to some what I call ugly sacks whereas a man,

567
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: I'm up the field, I'm stymmy, but then the quarterback

568
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: steps up, I kind of swim up under the tackle

569
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: and I get to it. He has that the one

570
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: thing about a Jobo. When I had a chance to

571
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: talk to a job Bo, he he gave Hutchinson so

572
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: much credit for helping him take his game up a notch.

573
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: He said, literally, he got in his hip pocket and

574
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: he did everything that Aiden Hutchinson did um from January

575
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: on last January, and he said he knew that the

576
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: guy was great. What I think is funny about that

577
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: is he recognized that Hutchinson was great before the numbers.

578
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: The production suggested that he was great, because you gotta

579
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: remember four last year he didn't really have great production.

580
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: He was a guy that flashed. He had some injuries

581
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: and those things. So for me um Ojabo get into

582
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: his pocket speaks volumes to him wanting to learn. But

583
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: it also speaks to man how good Hutcheson must have

584
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: been on the practice field for those guys to recognize

585
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: him as the guy that you kind of want to

586
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: pat on your game out. You know, it's a good

587
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: time to transition to caveon Thibodeau because Thibodeau is a

588
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: guy with a lot of the explosiveness. I think he's

589
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: got some great get off. He's got the ability when

590
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: he rushes with secondary rush, it's really tough to stop

591
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: him because as you mentioned, I mean he can he

592
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: can separate. He's got the strength to punch and kind

593
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: of separate. And if you can't let it's an offensive tackle.

594
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: You want to get into a guy and then send

595
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: him up like a trash bag. You know those red

596
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: those red ties where it's trying to take the trash out.

597
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: You got those red ties on my bag and zip

598
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: you zip them up and it's a wrap. It shuts

599
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: down and it's over. It's the same thing with offensive

600
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: lineman and pass bro. They get their hands on you

601
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: and they send you into that that that into the

602
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: pads are to the jersey and it's over. Well. Thibodeau

603
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: has his strength and explosiveness to separate, stay separated and

604
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: use his explosiveness. But what he doesn't have right now

605
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: is that rush inste the rush instincts and to go

606
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: to moves. And so that's something that you know, right now,

607
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: all of us are projecting him. We're projecting what he

608
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: could become because his productivity was just okay. It was

609
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: just okay relative to some of these guys. But you know,

610
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: we're projecting Trayvon Walker too. I mean we're you know,

611
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: there's not a bunch of rush productivity in terms of

612
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: you turn the tape on and he's just beating guys

613
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: with outside rush. So um, you want to see those

614
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: traits because it means they have the ability to do

615
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: that in the future if they take the coaching and

616
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: it clicks with Thibodeaux. I don't have any doubt that

617
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: Thibodeau could become a really good NFL rusher. I really don't.

618
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of is he going to lock

619
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: in on his craft because Jadeveon Clowney. I watched him

620
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: in Houston Buck and he it was always a phenomenal athlete,

621
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: but he just relied on that inside move, right, He's

622
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: just he's gonna hit you with the inside move. And

623
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: once offensive tackle started playing him for that, he never

624
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: really developed his game as a pass rusher. And so

625
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: what happens is you get a certain amount of sacks

626
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: just based on the fact that you're a great athlete.

627
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: But Clowning never hit double digits in sacks. He's never

628
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: hitting double hit double digits one time. And I think

629
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: that speaks to, you know, not developing your craft. And

630
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: that's one thing that the Cavon Thibodeau people want to

631
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: make sure that he locks in and and and makes

632
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: learning the rush important and not just relying on the

633
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: explosive athleticism. Yeah, you know, it's funny because, um, you

634
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: know he's heard that and you can't kind of hear that.

635
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: So before even talk about Tibodeau, let's let's listen in

636
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: on on his thoughts of his workout and just everything

637
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: leading him to the draft. His Cavon Tibodau excited to

638
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: be joined by top prospect from Oregon, Cavon Tibodau. How

639
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: you how you doing man? How's combin Bucky? I'm doing

640
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: well man. It's it's finally over. It seemed like it

641
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: came in a flash. I mean, does a dream come true?

642
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Being able to compete, being able to be here with

643
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: all these guys. I mean, I don't think I could

644
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: I ask you anything better. So look, man, you you've

645
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: got a long journey to get here. Man, being the

646
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: number one overall recruit. I remember seeing you way back

647
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: at the opening years and years ago. But let's talk

648
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: about that journey. All the fresh is the expectation that

649
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: would be in the number one overall recruit, having to

650
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: live up to that during your time in Oregon to

651
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: now you're here at the combine. What are some of

652
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: the things that you've learned along the way to better

653
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: prepare you to exceed at the next succeed at the

654
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: next level, to just do me. You know, I've been

655
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: doing the things to help me get here. Obviously, I've

656
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: been able to learn and being able to grow, and

657
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I know I have to grow even more and take

658
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, even bigger jumps. But you know, just thinking

659
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: of what got me here, you know, keeping my head down, focusing,

660
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: not really buying into the media and not really buying

661
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: into the to what everyone's saying, but just really staying

662
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: true to me and staying true to my goals and

663
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, stand on track. So I'm I'm glad you

664
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: brought it up because it has to be hard, right.

665
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: You're you're kind of like a big fish in a

666
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: small pond. Everyone knew who you were, and so the

667
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: the criticisms and stuff begin to come. I know you're

668
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: talking about not hearing that, but how do you deal

669
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: with like the buzz and the outside noise that. I mean,

670
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: it's entertainment. I mean not to say I love it,

671
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: but you know, all publicity. It's not really bad publicity,

672
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So as long as they're

673
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: they're talking about me, I'm fine with it, right and

674
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm I'm more blessed to be in this

675
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: position than not, you know what I mean. So honestly,

676
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: I look at it as a good thing and and sometimes,

677
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to feed into it, but

678
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: sometimes there are things that I can work on now,

679
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: I can get better on, and I just gotta stay

680
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: honest with myself, right, because some stuff is just clickbay

681
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: and some stuff is real. So me just being able

682
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: to filter through and know what I gotta work on

683
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: and what I gotta grow at, and then just keep

684
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: pushing forward, right, because nothing really matters until you know

685
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: my name is called at the end of the day.

686
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: So I thought it's interesting because you brought this up

687
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: and I hadn't thought about it um until you mentioned it.

688
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: You said you kind of made the comparison to Jeviyevi

689
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: and clown And when Jevie and Clowne was coming out,

690
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: there were maybe similar criticisms about like some of the motors,

691
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: that stuff or whatever. Now when you make the Harrison,

692
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: when you're talking about using him, what do you mean

693
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: by now that comparison? I meant what he did at

694
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: the combine, right, And I talked about, you know, looking

695
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: at him, he was he was uh six six five

696
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: fifty five. He ran he ran a four or five

697
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: three and and he he did bench press a little low.

698
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: But I knew that as long as I exceeded him,

699
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: he was able to be the number one pick. That's

700
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of where I saw myself that if I was

701
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: able to match those numbers or you know, uh succeed,

702
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, do better than he did, then I'll, you know,

703
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: I'll be better off. But as far as the comparison

704
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: of who I look to, as as you know, who

705
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: I compare myself to in the league is von Miller.

706
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: And why I say that is because of the technician

707
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: that he is in the passion right. Of course he's

708
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot more flexible. Of course he's a Hall of Famer.

709
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: But I know that with with time and with with

710
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: the work that I'm gonna put in, I can eventually

711
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: get to that level. So on one of the words

712
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: that I appreciate you saying is like being able to

713
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: be honest when it comes to the critiques. And so

714
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: when you look at your tape, what is one area

715
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: that you want to improve upon when you get to

716
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: the next level? Just those second or third moves? You know.

717
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: I feel like when people talk about motor they must

718
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: make it right. My motor I chase, I run to

719
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: the ball, I have pursue, I do everything to to

720
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: to stop a play that that I'm able to write.

721
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: But what what they mean by motor right is that

722
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: second and third move right, being able to not be stalemated. Right,

723
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: if if somebody gets their hands on me, I can

724
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: have a move, a counter, you know, a second counter, right,

725
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: because you can do two moves, but you still might

726
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: need a third one. You might need to be able

727
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: to come off of it and and and continue to

728
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: get that sacking at the next level. So we're talking

729
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: about possibly being drafted at the at the top of

730
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: the board. Not necessarily a team, but if you could

731
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: pick a situation, won't be the ideal situation for you

732
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: to come in and thrive right away. Um, I want

733
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: to say, at three or four, you know, somewhere where

734
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: I could play linebacker, somewhere where I could put my

735
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt and and really be that Swiss

736
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: army knife. I don't want to come off the field,

737
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: obviously if I get picked on the top five, I

738
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: won't come off the field, but just a team that

739
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: really looks to me to not only you know, be

740
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: a leader early, but then come in and uphold the

741
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: culture and really, you know, be a guy who's gonna

742
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: learn it, who's gonna grow constantly. So we're talking about growth,

743
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: constantly growing. I thought it was interesting that you mentioned

744
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: Von mill It when you watch Von Miller, What is

745
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: it that you want to take from his game to

746
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: put into yours? Man, See, Peop, when people ask me this,

747
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: I know, I always I'm reluctant to tell him because

748
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to give out all the secret sauce.

749
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: But you know, one thing that you know I learned

750
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: from the jump was the lean right, go with the ball,

751
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: not on the ball, And that was something I learned

752
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: quick And if you look at my highlights, I mean

753
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: I literally implemented that into my game instantly, right, And

754
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of times I'm the only

755
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: guy moving after when the ball is being moved. Also,

756
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: just being a technician, right, knowing that if you're not

757
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: the biggest, you're not the strongest, you're not the fastest,

758
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: your hands and your moves are gonna or what's gonna

759
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: take you to that next level, you know, as far

760
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: as execution, as far as getting to the quarterback. But look, man,

761
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: we're excited. There's so much buzz about you and what

762
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: you potentially could do at the next level. We're just

763
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: excited to be alone for the journey and the rod um.

764
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: I look forward to watch you at your prode forward

765
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: to seeing you get hear your name called. I look

766
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: forward to your family and stuff living out. Best of

767
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: luck to you going forward. Thank you, Buckey, I appreciate you.

768
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: Gotta bless you guys. So so Lance. I love how

769
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: um he's able to articulate all of the things that

770
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: he's gone through, how he prepares and that stuff. But

771
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: I think um my conversation with him off the camera

772
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: was interesting because it was enlightening to hear him talk

773
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: about um, keeping the main thing the main thing, and

774
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: how like a lot of the outside noise and all

775
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: that other stuff. He kind of understands because he's a

776
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: prominent name. He's been he was the number one overall

777
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: recruit in his class, so he knew that there's a

778
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: lot of attention that comes with it. But he said, look, man,

779
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: I understand like some of the critiques about my game,

780
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: but he said he was dogly determined to be a

781
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: dominant player at the next level. He talked about kind

782
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: of keeping it. It's very similar because he ad Hudson

783
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: said the same thing privately. Uh, they just said it

784
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: in different ways. He said, look, man, it's about simplicity

785
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to the pastoral stuff. It's not about

786
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: having fifty moves. It's about understanding, um, what your go

787
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: to is and and having a counter or two off

788
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: of that. Uh. He talked about admiring what von Miller

789
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: does coming off the edge and how he kind of

790
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: jumps off the ball and does that stuff. So look,

791
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: I know I have been hard on him, but I

792
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: still think it's important to keep it in perspective. Dude

793
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: is super talented and if it does click, I mean,

794
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: he he has rare, rare things that he can bring

795
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: to the table. Yeah, he's gonna get lost a little

796
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: bit now on the shuff. I mean, at first Aidan

797
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: Hudson was the top dog and then people wanted to

798
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: shoot bullets. They're always gonna shoot at the top. Guys

799
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: try to find where there's holes and uh so, hey

800
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, this kind of step back. Trayvon Walker is

801
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: going to be the next up, and Cavon has gotten

802
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know. I mean, I don't know

803
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: if he slept on because everyone was talking about him

804
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: in the lead up right before before we got up

805
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: to the quote unquote draft season, it was a lot

806
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: of Tipodeau talk. So it's not like he hasn't had

807
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: any talk. But I'm wondering. I'm hoping that the way

808
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: this process is gone that it fuels his fire. That's

809
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: you want him to take this as an affront to

810
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: who he is as a potential prospect. You want him

811
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: to say, oh, Okay, I got all these people down

812
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: in me because he's heard it. We've all seen the

813
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: clips of people asking them questions about not working well,

814
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: that that's coming from NFL people. NFL people are are

815
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: concerned with that kind of thing. So, um, you know,

816
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: you wonder how much of that came from inside the

817
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: Oregon program. Did they say anything? So all these things

818
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: have to be going through his head. So now you

819
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: want to see, all right, we'll internalize them and use

820
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: them as fuel. And if that can't fuel you, then

821
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna happen. If you if the disrespect

822
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: quote unquote disrespect of this process does not fool you,

823
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: does not fuel you, then that's just not who you are.

824
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: You're just never gonna be that dude. So we'll see

825
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: what he does. But I'm with you, Bucky. I mean,

826
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm still explosive off the edge. Is explosive off the edge,

827
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: and that means jump off the snap, that means exploding

828
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: into the tackle. That means the ability to to to

829
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: close and sack. Um. I see it all on tape.

830
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: It's all there. It's just a matter of getting there

831
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: quickly and more consistently. Yeah, it is all there, and

832
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: it Lance. You're right. It's one of those things that

833
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: it's almost this thing we used to say back in college,

834
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: study long steady wrong. Sometimes you have so much exposure

835
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: to a player that you over analyze who he is

836
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Johnny come Lately who we get

837
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: excited about, because then we talked about the Johnny come

838
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: Lately's upside, where we rarely do that about the guy

839
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: who's an established player. So to be interesting to see

840
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: um how that plays out. Let's move on to these linebackers. Man,

841
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: what do you think about the linebacker group? I liked it.

842
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I thought I was expecting Devin

843
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: Lloyd to run faster, but I thought Channi Tendall had

844
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: a monster, monster workout. The Georgia guys looked looked really

845
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: good like I expected im and Malcolm Rodriguez had a

846
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: great testing day. It's a short arms though, that are

847
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: gonna you know, that are gonna bother some teams. But

848
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: he he was fast, and he jumped high and and

849
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, um boy mathe wow. Yeah, man, I try

850
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: to tell you somebody makes money. Well, now that's a

851
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: Now he's an edge. You know, he's an edge. So

852
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: they've broken this down to into you know, you've got

853
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: d line and you've got edge and the edge. I

854
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: don't know if edges with linebackers. I'm trying to remember,

855
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: but in terms of true linebackers, see, Brandon Smith to

856
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: me doesn't play like he tests. But there was no

857
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: doubt he was a five star tester coming out height, weight, speed,

858
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks pretty with him. So you know

859
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: he helped himself. But um, I think Christian Harris I

860
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: knew would run fast and that joker Troy Anderson Montana State.

861
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: If you don't know his background, so here's the deal.

862
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: He went to he played all these positions in high school.

863
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: So he went to Montana State. As a sophomore, He's

864
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: first team quarters, first team all our French quarterback. Then

865
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: he changed his positions and two years later he is

866
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year a linebacker. Now when I

867
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: watch the tape, I'm like, okay, his instincts aren't quite

868
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: in place. And but because he runs a four or

869
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: for two, let me see what you think of this, Bucky. So,

870
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I got a guy who's only played linebacker for two years.

871
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: He's already defensive player of the Year in his conference

872
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: after coming over from quarterback, which is not a normal

873
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: switch from quarterback to to linebacker, and he's only played

874
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: two years. There's some stuff I don't love on tape,

875
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: but from the processing and you know, in terms of recognition.

876
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: But when you run this fast and you are this athletic,

877
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that a lot of evaluators just say give me,

878
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: just give me all the tools, will figure out the position.

879
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's just gonna take a little time. Yeah, No,

880
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: I think that's it when you have a guy that

881
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: is like that, because I'm understand this last one thing

882
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: that you can do with the guy that's talented like that.

883
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: You know, you can make him a core special team

884
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: until he figures it out there. That gives him. They

885
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: gives him an opportunity to get a uniform each and

886
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: every week, and then as he's thriving in that role,

887
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: you can help him developing the other role where he

888
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: can jump onto the field and eventually maybe work his

889
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: way into being a starter if he can do it.

890
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: But what he displayed that absolutely gives him an opportunity

891
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: to do it. And when you think about those things, man,

892
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: you can't have enough of those guys because special teams

893
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: are important. We saw in this in the playoffs how

894
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: important special teams are. Man. That that makes him a

895
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: high commodity in my mind. Yeah, And and one of

896
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: the things that I've you know, I always study trends

897
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: in the way teams draft and where guys who look

898
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: and run and test a certain way where they get drafted.

899
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: I'd say the latest he gets drafted in the fourth

900
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: round because when you have special traits on linebackers who

901
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: are course, who are core you know, four face special

902
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: teams guys, teams just value those traits. And we saw

903
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: we're called whole coom was drafted. I remember, and there's

904
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: been a variety of of of players who in up

905
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: going or third or fourth round if they test a

906
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: certain way. Because like you said, Bucky, teams value special

907
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: teams more more than you know, more than the average

908
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: draft fan is is going to get into a special

909
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: teams player. That's the third phase and so you know,

910
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: if a guy goes out there on all the cover teams,

911
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: all the kick off from the punt teams, if he's

912
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: a four, if he's a complete core special team player,

913
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: that has tremendous value. So Troy Anderson will not go

914
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: any later than the fourth round. I mean guys who

915
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: look like him, and who run like him, and who

916
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: tests like him, and who can step out as you

917
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: mentioned and play special teams immediately. Those guys just don't

918
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: fall beyond a certain point, especially if they have some

919
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: ability to develop at their actual position. And uh, I

920
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: mean all he did was put it out there and

921
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: he said, okay, move me up your boards. Now I'll

922
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: see it. I'll see in April seeing may look. That's

923
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly what took took place. Um, special teams Ability's

924
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: fun that you said fourth round. In my head, I

925
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: was thinking third round. But you're right, fourth run And

926
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: is the safety that because when you get a big

927
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: guy that runs fast like that, that has some special

928
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: team's ability, he is going to have a chance. Uh

929
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: to his name called maybe sooner than some people would

930
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: would say suggest based on the evaluation of his tape. Um,

931
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: let me say this did you get a chance to

932
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: like see Nikobe Dean up close and personal. I did

933
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: not the first time. I wanted to get on the

934
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: field and and check him out because he felt small

935
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: on tape. Did he feel small in person? Land He

936
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: felt really small when we interviewed. He feels really small.

937
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: And I was trying to look at him as not

938
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: only like Nikobe Dean the Georgia player, but I'm trying

939
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: to look at him and like, man, if he isn't

940
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: the huddle in NFL huddle like does he does? He

941
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: looked apart and I had a hard I had a

942
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: hard time saying, like, man, when he comes in and

943
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be like, hey, man, let's do it, because

944
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily that he's short. I don't know how

945
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: thick he is, Like it's one thing being short, like

946
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: London Fletcher was right, like we've seen short compact linebackers

947
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: like do it. They were just like right at six

948
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: ft or under. But man, I guess he clocked he

949
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: checked in it at T twenty But man, it was

950
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: a it was a light looking to twenty just based

951
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: on him being around me. So I don't know, Like, look,

952
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He was the leader of that defense.

953
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: He's the alpha male, the traffic cop and all that.

954
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, that that size thing might

955
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: might bug me a little bit. So it's interesting because

956
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, you see, you see the early discussions, and

957
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: I when I watched him, I did not My grade

958
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: is more back into the first just because it's a

959
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: six four. Oh so he's right on the border of

960
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: a six four, which would be like a first round pick.

961
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: And the problem I had was exactly everything you're saying, Bucky.

962
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: Plus he tends to he tends to find blocks a

963
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: little more than you want a smaller guy to find blocks,

964
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: like you don't want you want small guys to get

965
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: away from him. So I give you an example, my

966
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: guy from Oklahoma State, Malcolm Rodriguez. He is to thirty something,

967
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: but he's thick, like you can. You can see it's

968
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother you him being uh five ft eleven

969
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: and having the short arms. He's he's thick, he's strong.

970
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: But the other thing is he avoids the traffic. He

971
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: knows he's got his GPS, so he's got his ways

972
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: out there and he knows the best pathway to the football.

973
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: He's he's taking all the shortcuts zoom zoom zoom zoom

974
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: around this guy. Dean is a good player with great speed,

975
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: but um, he finds blocks too much. And I was

976
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: talking to UH pro personnel director who has a strong

977
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: opinion on the linebacking CORP. We're talking linebackers and he said,

978
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, he said, honestly, my guy of that whole

979
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: group is he said, as kway Walker, He said, quite

980
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: a smart. He's big, he's strong, and he's a guy

981
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: that I would trust out there to do the right

982
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: thing on a consistent basis, because A it's on tape

983
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: and be he's built like an NFL linebacker like he

984
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: We're used to seeing a guy like him, He said,

985
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, Dean is Dean's not normal. You don't see

986
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: guys built like him. And uh. But then another guy

987
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: in the same in the same conversation said, who cares.

988
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: He's fast and he's gonna get to a ton of plays.

989
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: And so ultimately, Bucky, we get to what you always

990
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: talk about the flavor of ice creams. Okay, so he

991
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: doesn't look the part that you're used to seeing a linebacker.

992
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: What if he's what if he's got the athletic traits

993
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: to get to a ton of plays. And I think

994
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: that's the real selling point for the Kobe Dean to

995
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: some teams. Some teams are not Some teams are gonna

996
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: look at m and say he falls below our standards.

997
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: We're not taking it in the first and that's that. Yeah,

998
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's something to it because when I mean,

999
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: if you're a smaller, shorter, old linebacker, you've gotta be

1000
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: exceptional kind of working through traffic or as you say,

1001
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: like having your GPS said on it. And I don't know.

1002
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I think he's a great leader. I think he does

1003
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: a lot of good things size wise when you look

1004
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: at him compared to some of the other guys. Uh,

1005
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: it may be tough. And this is the challenge that

1006
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: some people are going to have been trying to think

1007
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: about Channing Tendall, maybe even a Quate Walker. What if

1008
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: those guys go ahead into Kobe Dean. People are going

1009
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: to say, well, Dean was a better player in college.

1010
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: But the pros are about prototypes and so it'll just

1011
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how this all plays out. You

1012
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: talked about Devin Lloyd. You talked about Devin Lloyd run

1013
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: a little slower than you thought. You know the thing

1014
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: about Devin Lloyd running, it didn't necessarily bother me. Dave

1015
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: was in the four six ranch. I think he's a

1016
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: really good player. I think he does a lot. I

1017
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: believe watching him on tape, he plays much faster than

1018
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: that time suggested. Uh, it might hurt him, but I

1019
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: think he's just such a really good football player. I mean,

1020
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: let's tell the whole story. But he also jumped thirty

1021
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: five inches that had a ten six broad jump and bench. Yeah.

1022
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's a good work Listen, four six six

1023
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: is that's fine at linebacker. The rest of that workout

1024
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: is really good. It really is. It really was a

1025
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: fairly impressive workout. Like before, the time wasn't what he wanted,

1026
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: but I think it's good. It doesn't change my opinion

1027
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: on it much. But let's let's hear Devin Lloyd. Let's

1028
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: hear his thoughts on his workout. Joined the movie The

1029
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: sixth Podcast. One of the best defensive players in all

1030
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: of college football. One the top linebacker prospects in this draft.

1031
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd from the University of Utah. Man, how you

1032
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: doing good, Man, I'm good, happy to be here. You know,

1033
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: blessed for this experience. And I mean really I thought

1034
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: overall was a pre holiday. So look, man, obviously it's

1035
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: a solid day. This is what everyone talks about. It's

1036
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: a big part of the evaluation. Posing when you came

1037
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. What were some of the things you want

1038
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: to get a conference? Yeah, UM, definitely wanted to you know,

1039
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: display my athleticism. Um, you know, show everybody that I'm

1040
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: a well rounded athlete. You know, I'm a versatile athlete,

1041
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: And um, I thought I did that, you know, aside

1042
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: from you know, the forty, which wasn't the best, wasn't

1043
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: what I was expecting. But ultimately, um, you know, something

1044
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: that you gotta live past and you know, hopefully I

1045
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: can make it ready. Um pro day. But I thought

1046
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: the field work was really solid. Um, you know, I

1047
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: PRD and a couple of events, and I mean overall,

1048
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, I thought, you know, it was I accomplished

1049
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: the mission. So I'm sure you heard this a lot

1050
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: from scouts. They talked about like the film being everything

1051
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: more so than the drills are just played. And the

1052
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: guy that I watched on tape was all over the

1053
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: field a bunch of different things, A bunch of different

1054
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: roles you were asked to do. When you look at

1055
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: yourself phone tape, what are the best things that you do? UM?

1056
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: I would say being versatile, being able to do everything

1057
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: at a high level, UM. Something. I pride myself on

1058
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: being well rounded and not just being able to do it,

1059
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: but being able to excel at it. UM. So that

1060
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: and then I mean really just my ability to play

1061
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: aggressive downhill UM and powerful. I think UM explosion and

1062
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: you know powerful um is the name of the game really,

1063
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, aside from speed, aside from strength, you know,

1064
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: you definitely want to be explosive and so UM. I

1065
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: just pride myself on being a game changer. And you

1066
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: know that's why I try to put on film. So

1067
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: going to amount of going back to my scouting days,

1068
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: we always had to feel that guys that came from Utah,

1069
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna find a way to have success in the

1070
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: national football Like I don't know what's in the sauce there.

1071
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: I don't know account with him, but it's always rough

1072
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: and rugged, tough guys. What is it about the culture

1073
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: at Utah? They've really prepared you to play well at

1074
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: the next level. Yeah, first of all, I think the

1075
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: coaches do a great job of recruiting hungry people. Um,

1076
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they recruit guys who are highly

1077
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: recruited or not highly recruited, but really they just get

1078
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: guys who love football and our ballplayers and work hard

1079
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: and they're mentally tough. And from there, um, the culture

1080
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: is set, and I think everyone buys into the culture.

1081
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: Everyone comes in with the mentality that we're gonna get

1082
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: better today and we're gonna compete at a high level

1083
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: on and off the field. And so I think whenever

1084
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: you have a large group of guys who think that way, um,

1085
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: it produces nothing but results and success. So the results

1086
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: has certainly have been there. So when we think about

1087
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: you're the next level, Um, what do you think that

1088
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: the best fit not in the terms of team, but

1089
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: role in scheme. What would be the best to maximize

1090
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: your towns to the next level. Yeah, Ideally, like I said, um,

1091
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, I myself will being a versatile athlete, So

1092
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: someone who can rush the pastor or someone who can

1093
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: play in the box, someone who could come off to ed,

1094
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: someone who can cover. Um, ideally, I want to be

1095
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: able to do it all. You know, I know I

1096
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: can do it all at a high level, and you know,

1097
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: areas of every area of my game, I'm improving it.

1098
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: And so from what the player I was last year

1099
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: is not gonna be the player was this year, just

1100
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: like even twenty nineteen player was twenty nineteen was the

1101
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: player I was. It's an ever growing thing. I get

1102
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: better every year, and you know, I plan on doing

1103
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: what I do and at the next level at a

1104
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: at a better rate than I was. Okay, So so

1105
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: just I was gonna let you go, But then you

1106
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: brought up and you talked about being rushed the past,

1107
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: being able to cover, being able to do things. And

1108
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: then it made me think about defensive Rookie of the

1109
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: Year Michael Parsons. And so when you look at the

1110
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: National Football League level, is there a guy that you

1111
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: padding your game after? I watched so many guys, um,

1112
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: and really going back to even the old school backers too.

1113
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: I go on YouTube and find as much, you know,

1114
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: filming them as I can, or even at schools they

1115
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: might have a little bit. But um, nowadays, um, you know,

1116
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: I have a lot of guys that I watched. Uh,

1117
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, definitely Mica, Fred Warner for sure, Darius Leonard

1118
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: Lavonte David, and I mean really the list goes on

1119
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: to Mario Davis. Like I, I really take a lot

1120
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: from so many backers, and I really do my research

1121
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: and just find what fits best for me, because ultimately

1122
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: I played my game, but I take what I think

1123
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: will translate to my game, um, and then I just

1124
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: try to execute it at a high level. Well, one

1125
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: day there'll be a young guy sitting here talking about

1126
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I and Marian want to take pieces of Devin Llowyd's game.

1127
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: So we look forward to you making that journeys to

1128
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Appreciate it so much. Look, man,

1129
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: he's a very impressive prospect. He brings everything to the

1130
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: table that you want at the position. This guy is

1131
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: super smart. He does a great job of playing multiple

1132
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: roles in the defense. He talked about his own versatility.

1133
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: I just love the energy and the effort, the toughness

1134
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: that he displays. And so if I'm going to gamble

1135
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: on a prospect, I'm a gamble on the guy who

1136
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: has those kinds of traits. I think this guy is

1137
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a high level player for a long time.

1138
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: And you know the word you never like hearing about

1139
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: an inside linebacker, linebacker ad als finesse, and there's no

1140
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: finesse in his game. He's not a finesse guy. He

1141
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: attacks everything, he attacks tackles, he attacks, but he attacks tackling,

1142
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: he attacks blockers. Um everything about him just says he

1143
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: is a physical, get after you type of player. Kind

1144
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: of a Steelers linebacker if you will, you know the

1145
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: way that they like to play a little different physically,

1146
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, from a physical style, but he is, uh,

1147
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: He's definitely a guy who plays the game very very physically.

1148
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: And I think that. I think that when you look

1149
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: at him from a side standpoint and you you check

1150
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: him out, it's different, Like he looks like an NFL

1151
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: linebacker for sure. So Devin Lloyd to me, didn't hurt

1152
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: himself before six six. That's not gonna hurt him. His

1153
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: workout was good, so he's he's not hurt by anything.

1154
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: He's he's in good shape and I think he I

1155
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: think he solidified himself if anything. Yeah, I certainly think

1156
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: he did um overall man last at the front. Seven guys,

1157
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: it's a very impressive group. We haven't talked about it

1158
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: because everyone is always just talked primarily about the edge rushes.

1159
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: But now we go back and evaluate what we saw

1160
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: throughout the weekend and go back and match it up

1161
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: to the tape. I do believe that it evaluators and

1162
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: team builders will be excited about what is available upfront,

1163
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, edge rushers, and even these linebackers. These linebackers

1164
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: can move and so overall, I feel like the combine

1165
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: will put some more spotlight on these guys and this

1166
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: will be a draft that we talked about being a

1167
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: defensive laden draft where you really can um fortify the

1168
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: issues that you have on defense by taking some of

1169
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: these guys early in the draft. I mean, just to

1170
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: put a bowl on it. We went into this combine

1171
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: saying it's not a sexy draft. It's not this, it's

1172
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 1: not that. I think we leave the combine and there's

1173
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: a lot more buzz after this combine is over. There's

1174
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot more prospects of people. There's more buzz on

1175
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: Davante White, more buzz on Jordan Davis, more buzz on

1176
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker. I just hit three Georgia Bulldogs. There's a

1177
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: reason they want national championship. But um, you know, the

1178
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: wide receivers, more buzz the running backs, Breeze Hall more buzz,

1179
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: Molik Willis more buzz. Even Kenny Pickett helped himself out.

1180
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: So I think we leave this combine and the draft

1181
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: isn't a better at least from a narrative standpoint, It's

1182
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: in a better place. People are a little more excited

1183
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: about this after this combine. Yeah. Absolutely, So, Look, man,

1184
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: we'll we'll keep it all covered. We have one more

1185
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: day of workouts, then we'll have another pod that will

1186
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: uh wrap it all, put a bowl on it, talk

1187
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: about everything that we saw and how it and what

1188
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: it means going forward. But make sure you come back

1189
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: tune into the mood of six podcast. I appreciate land

1190
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: Zy joining me today. Uh he'll be back soon on

1191
00:55:37,960 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: another podcast. Thanks for tuning in, Guys, you're not