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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're talking Star Wars News, DC News,

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Speaker 1: Double O seven, Brocco League, Family News, Shocking News, It War. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I am It's Jason Catepcio and I'm mesday Night and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x Ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep but to your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 1: and pop culture. Coming to you from my our podcast

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Speaker 1: where we'll bring you three episodes a week.

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Speaker 2: Every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, plus news like.

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Speaker 3: This episode that you're listening to right now. And in this.

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Speaker 4: Previously on bit, we are going to be catching up

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Speaker 4: on the biggest geek news of the week, as we

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Speaker 4: always do, including Kathleen Kennedy is allegedly leaving Lucasfilm at

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Speaker 4: that end.

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Speaker 5: Of the year.

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Speaker 3: But guess what, Kathleen Kennedy's got.

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Speaker 4: Something to say about that, and I'm happy to hear

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Speaker 4: it because she is truly one of the bravest out there.

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Speaker 3: And also a lot of a new DC news to

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Speaker 3: catch up with, so let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: First up, we got the Indoor season two trailer. It

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Speaker 1: is very exciting, very fun. It has me lathered up

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Speaker 1: to watch the show. They also put a lot of

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Speaker 1: the critical praise for season one because as as we know,

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Speaker 1: this is and Or, it is one of the best

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Speaker 1: shows on television, and nobody watched it exactly, so hopefully

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Speaker 1: people will watch season two.

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Speaker 4: I think that this is very much award season add

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Speaker 4: hilariously before the show has come out, reminding people the

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Speaker 3: Look at the show. It's bright, it's colorful, which.

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Speaker 4: Is kind of funny because that is not the dance

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Speaker 4: having a dance party. But yeah, unhinged music choice kind

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Speaker 4: of diabolic or first trailer in my opinion, because it's

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Speaker 4: so FYC heavy. Also, if you're wondering why and Or

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Speaker 4: is being dropped in an over four week period in

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Speaker 4: three episode chunks, Reddit has a theory that I'm quite

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Speaker 4: believing in at this point, which is that it is

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Speaker 4: to make sure it fits in for Emmy contention, which

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Speaker 4: I believe will end after that. Also, each group of

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Speaker 4: episodes is set one year apart. Very interesting, but you

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Speaker 4: know what, you could do nothing to dispel my excitement

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Speaker 4: for this show, especially now. It's the most expensive Star

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Speaker 4: Wars project of all time, running about six hundred and

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Speaker 4: ninety million dollars I believe before marketing, So that's very interesting.

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Speaker 4: And yes, the first ten seconds is just pure swag,

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Speaker 4: so I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: To see it.

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Speaker 4: It looks great, And don't do a trailer like this again, though, please,

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Speaker 4: it already exists. I want to see a trailer where

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Speaker 4: everyone's looking sad and talking about fascism.

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Speaker 3: Because that's why we watch this shit.

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Speaker 5: That's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Up next Kathleen Kennedy, for who and or is one.

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Speaker 1: Of the jewels in her Star Wars Crown. She of

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Speaker 1: course is the boss of Lucasfilm and Star and the

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Speaker 1: in Variety earlier this week that she was planning to

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Speaker 1: exit at the end of twenty twenty five, and that

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Speaker 1: current conversations were underway to see who would succeed her.

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Speaker 1: She was, of course handpicked by George Lucas in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, during and around the acquisition by Disney.

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Speaker 2: Then, days later, when all.

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Speaker 1: Of these articles and podcasts had come out about who

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Speaker 1: can succeed Kathleen Kennedy? Could it be Folony, Could it

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Speaker 1: be Favre, Could it be Kevin Feigey, Could it be

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Speaker 2: Who could it be?

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Speaker 1: Then came out and clarified in Deadline with a mic

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Speaker 1: drop a series of comments in which she says, quote,

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Speaker 2: I will never retire from movies. I will die making movies.

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Speaker 1: What's happening at Lucasfilm is I have been talking for

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Speaker 1: eventual succession might look like. So here is what is

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Speaker 1: clear to me, Rosie is the knives are out for

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Speaker 4: Whatever, and also there hasn't been a movie since Rise

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever is going on with her with her obsecurity,

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Speaker 1: You don't put a statement like this out unless nobody

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Speaker 2: And exactly, I don't think anybody can get her out.

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Speaker 4: And she said, like the deadline, she basically said, we

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Speaker 4: So she was basically saying, don't do any more of

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Speaker 1: Uh, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right

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Speaker 1: back after this. Yeah, DC news now, Okay, Warner the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, canceling Wonder Woman is kind of crazy because the

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Speaker 1: We got our first look this week at the New

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Speaker 3: I just watched Rebel Ridge again. I love Kyle Chandler.

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Speaker 4: What does Kyle Chandler mean to us? But what does

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Speaker 4: Chandler is wearing the the twenty eleven Green Lantern ring, which,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like true crime esque.

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Speaker 1: James Gunn and Saffron have communicated that their plan is

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Speaker 1: And I think there clearly was a conversation because if

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Speaker 1: The most shocking news in Hollywood entertainment history recently?

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Speaker 1: the way that they're talking about it. But essentially James

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is crazy. I don't think I think

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Speaker 1: The Broccolis called called like streamers, temporary people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like Amazon, like Barbara Broccoli.

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Speaker 4: So Amazon bought MGM in twenty twenty one, which was

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Speaker 4: Broccoley was calling them fucking idiots, like she called Amazon

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Speaker 3: Amazon was in charge of Nothing to Die.

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Speaker 4: As in they put it out they they did not

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Speaker 4: have creative control. The Broccoli still had the creative control.

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Speaker 4: Now the creative control will be given over to Amazon

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Speaker 4: and they essentially own it, while I'm sure the Brocolis

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Speaker 5: I think they.

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Speaker 4: Allegedly gave her one billion dollars for this ip. Now

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Speaker 4: that's not surprising because James Bond is a huge ip.

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Speaker 4: Though I have seen a lot of hilarious kind of

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's very up and down. But I

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Speaker 4: Can we give Barbara broccoly to like stop fucking bothering

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Speaker 3: And the price they landed on apparently was one.

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Speaker 2: Billion dollars shocking.

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Speaker 3: Also, okay, so this is it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: How speaking of aggressive, how many like James Bond TV shows?

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Speaker 4: Do you think we're gonna get very quickly Young James Bond.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll do a couple of spinoffs. No, I

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Speaker 1: do like a young James Bond, like a training James Bond,

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Speaker 4: They did a Young James Bond comics, so that's kind

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Speaker 4: of what I was thinking.

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Speaker 4: Also, okay, do you see are they gonna bring on?

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Speaker 4: It's funny, this is like a thread at the moment.

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Speaker 4: I guess James Gunn and Peter Saffranz really inspired kind

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Speaker 2: I would have to really know.

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Speaker 1: It's such a huge question, right, Gosh, I think about it.

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Speaker 3: I think you go to go it's I think you need.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need a creative person. And which

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Speaker 1: is why it's hard. I think it's a management job,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think that's.

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Speaker 1: More of a that's more of a managerial issue and

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Speaker 2: And so I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think it's an exact position

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Speaker 1: Joelle says Tony Gilroy, which is very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Would he want to do it? I like it a lot.

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Speaker 4: I think I would bring in Gareth Evans, who did

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Speaker 3: Be our next James Bond. Who the next James Bond is?

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Speaker 4: I think that's where you need that exec and managerial

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have the Russo's in house, okay, okay, agbo,

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Speaker 1: And I have four favorite Hackmans online and then I

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Speaker 1: and then they are in no particular order, The Royal,

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Speaker 1: Tenenbaum's Enemy, the State, the French connection of the Poseidon Adventure,

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Speaker 1: and producer Carmen is like, what about the bird Cage.

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Speaker 2: It was hard to leave off.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to pick unforgiven. But the reason I left

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Speaker 1: Hackman vehicles like he's the bad, He's the big bad

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Speaker 1: It's not you're not spending like a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, he's the guy. He's the guy.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, French Connection, great pick, Posidon Adventure. Very I'm

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Speaker 4: a fan of the French Yeah, I love I'm a

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Speaker 4: and it's I'm kind of unbelievable that Gene Hackman came back.

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Speaker 3: But then he just it's a set in Marseille.

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Speaker 1: Gene Hackman and Michelle Trachtenberg on the next week's episodes

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Speaker 1: of X ray Vision. We're diving into the astonishing seventh

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Speaker 1: episode of Severance and also the first two episodes of

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Speaker 1: daredvil Board. Again, what an incredible television week.

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Speaker 2: That's it for news.

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Koufman.

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Speaker 4: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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