1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday and Holly 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Fry And I'm Tracy B. Wilson. So this week we 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: dallied with pie a little bit. We did. You want 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: to know why I ended up doing this episode. I do. 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: I have a very close friend who I love more 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: than most humans on earth, who is adamant that if 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: it is savory, it should not be called pie. Okay, 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: had this debate for many years, and I'm like, no, 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: my love savory pies were here first, like everything was pie, 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: and so I just, uh, I love savory pie. Hello, 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: savory pie. I love all the pies. Our Christmas dinner 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: this year, in the throes of all macron covid spike 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: when we saw no one, uh was um a chicken 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: pie that I got as a pickup order from a 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: local bakery. Um, along with some sides that we had 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: to go with it, And it was so good. I 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: love a I love a savory pie. I love a 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: chicken pot pie. I am less enthused than people would 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: think about shepherd's pie. I love a shepherd's pie. I 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: like it, but I want it in a crust. Yeah, 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: like I love the mashed potatoes on top, but like 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: a crust would is really what I'm after in a pie. 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: It is kind of uh, and it doesn't follow some 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: of the rules of what you would call a pie. 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: It's more of a cast role. Yeah, just fine. That's 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: another thing from like the the first long stretch of 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: the pandemic, when we, you know, we were not eating 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: in restaurants or really for a while ordering food from 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: restaurants at our house. I had this stretch where I 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I what I just really 32 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: want to do so bad is just go to a 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: bar and have a Shepherd's Pie and a beer. And 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't even need to be good. Shepherd's Pie can 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: be adequate, mediocre, adequate, medio. It was just like that 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: whole experience I missed so much. Um And none of 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: the restaurants since we did start ordering more take out, 38 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: none of the restaurants near us had Shepherd's Pie on 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: the menu. UM. One did for St. Patrick's Day the 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: other day, and I did get some St. Patrick's Day 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: Shepherd's pie. Nice. Do you have a favorite pie? Oh? Man? 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: So that would be really hard to narrow down in 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: terms of a sweet pie. I really do like cherry pie. Um. 44 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: I also like pumpkin pie a lot, except I will 45 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: often treat the pumpkin pie as a vehicle to get 46 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: the whipped cream into my mouth. Oh no, pumpkin pie 47 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: for days. Um. I like a lot of different uh, 48 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: a lot of different savory pies. Chicken pot pie is 49 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: really good. Chicken and dumplings is not really a pie, 50 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: but sometimes in the wintertime, my spouse makes chicken and 51 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: dumplings and it's so good and so comforting. I um, yeah, 52 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: pumpkin pie forever, I love it. My husband's favorites are 53 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: pecan pie and key lime pie. Key lime pie is delicious. 54 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: It is very good. I've never managed to get one 55 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: exactly right, but I His beloved Aunt Beth, who is 56 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: now no longer with us, used to make him a 57 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: pecam pie anytime he visited, and he would talk about 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Aunt bess amazing pecam pie. And I finally was like 59 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: Aunt Beeth, who I loved that woman? Um, she was 60 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: like walking history. She knew everything about everything. Um. But 61 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: I had asked her about it, she was like, I 62 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: just got it off the bag and it was whoops up. 63 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: So so I, UM, I have since made many pecompies 64 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: for him, um, which I also love. Yeah. Um. On 65 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: the very first Jonathan Colton Cruise, one of the first nights, uh, 66 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: they had key lime pie on the menu for as 67 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: one as the one of the dessert options, and almost 68 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: our whole table ordered that. And then we saw the 69 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: table behind us send their key lime pie back in 70 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Unison and we were like what we We were like, 71 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: what what was up with your pie? Um? And it 72 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: it blessed whoever was working in the kitchen. They had 73 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: not made a good key lime pie and and somebody 74 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: said it tasted like sadness, and sadness pie then became 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: like a cruise and joke. But after that it was 76 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: like for a while, anytime I saw Keilim pie on 77 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: the menu, I ordered it to try to erase the 78 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: memory of a one that just it just had no flavor. 79 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if they actually used key lime in it 80 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: or not, because that will like a regular lime juice subout, 81 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: is not acceptable. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Um. 82 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some chemistry related reason of like the 83 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: acidity of each different one or something, but it doesn't 84 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: taste right. Um. Qui li pie I could eat. So 85 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: when I was a child, Um, when we needed to 86 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: take it assert somewhere and my mom just did not 87 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: have time, she would make this pie called hershey Bar pie, 88 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: which you took uh, five of the six Hershey Bars 89 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: in a six pack of Hershey Bars. You melted them 90 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: and folded them into a container of cool whip. Now 91 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: put that into the fridge, bouh in a in a 92 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: crust like in a Graham cracker crust, I think is 93 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: what it would go in. Extremely that's way more delicious 94 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: than it has any right to listen. Sometimes it's magical. 95 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: We mentioned that we were going to talk about this 96 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: abolitionist thing in pumpkin Pie. Yeah, And what people often 97 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: reference is that, Um, several abolitionists that also wrote about 98 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: cookery wrote about pumpkin pie, which is true. Sarah Hale 99 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: is often brought up as she wrote about a lot 100 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: of food. Yeah yeah Um. She also did have an 101 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: anti slavery novel which was called Northwood, and it had 102 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: pumpkin pie in it, and his referenced as being the 103 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: best dish on the table or the most distinguished dish 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: on the table. And so I think people have made 105 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: those connections that it might be a clue because Lydia 106 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: Mariah Child also talked about pumpkin pie of course in 107 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: her um New England Thanksgiving poetry. Um. But again, those 108 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: are all kind of like you're connecting dots, but it's 109 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily like clear to me. Yeah. I remember also 110 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: seeing some discussion of there were a lot more people 111 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: growing pumpkins in their little home farm plots, and it 112 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: was more of a like small garden kind of crop 113 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: rather than the sort of like much larger crop that 114 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: would be that would have an enslaved workforce, and like 115 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: people making a connection there, and it it just it 116 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: all felt like to me when I was reading all 117 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: of that that it was sort of pulling together some 118 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: things to build a story. And I was like, I'm 119 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: not I would like this a lot more if somebody 120 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: had unearthed an essay that someone had written about how 121 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: we should all eat uh pumpkin pies the symbol of 122 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: our abolitionist feelings. Yeah, I mean, like you, it's like 123 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: it seems like they're interesting things going on that then 124 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: have a lot of additional meaning ascribed to them, when 125 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: it is just as likely that because pumpkins grow all 126 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: over North America pretty readily and and are pretty easy. 127 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean, a pumpkin pie is actually quite easy to make. 128 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Um that you know, to me, it seems natural that 129 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people would have adopted pumpkin pie and 130 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: really loved it, because I certainly do. Um. So, yeah, 131 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: it's a little it's a little bit of a stretch. 132 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: It feels to me perhaps some piece of information will 133 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: be unearth that will change all of our minds and 134 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: be like, Nope, it really was a secret code, but 135 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: not so far, especially because it's still involved sugar. Yeah, 136 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: which most there were abolitionists that were like, no, I'm 137 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: not baking sweet things because I don't want to be 138 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: part of that. Um, but pumpkin pie. I didn't. Ever, 139 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: I didn't stumble across any that were like, don't you sugar, 140 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: which would have supported that idea a little bit more. Yeah, 141 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: but no, but I sure want to bake pie. I 142 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: know it's springtime. I'm ready for a pumpkin pie. May 143 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: have to happen. I will tell you one of the 144 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: saddest things that ever happened to me. This is like pathetic. 145 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: You know how when like you go to someone else's 146 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: house for a holiday and you have those things you 147 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: love about the holiday, and then they're not the same 148 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: at that. I will not say who, but I had 149 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: gone to someone's house for the first time for a 150 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: holiday and I had said something about will there be 151 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: pumpkin pie beforehand, and they were like, oh, yeah, we 152 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: can do that. And what I didn't know was that 153 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: in their head they said, we'll go buy a frozen 154 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: pumpkin pie and throw it in and like not to 155 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: dog on anybody that does that, but like, pumpkin pie 156 00:09:50,240 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: is so easy to make. Oh man, gave me the sads. Yeah, 157 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm very pro pumpkin pie. That whole like pie is 158 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: addictive and is a monster, was shocker to me. Yeah, 159 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: that was very strident and its arguments against pie. And 160 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people in that camp that 161 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: were like, no pie is there were there was like 162 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: a significant number of physicians that were like, we gotta 163 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: get Americans to stop eating pie, which again, like nutritionally, yes, 164 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: you should not be eating pie all the time for 165 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: every meal, but that's like true of any balanced diet, right, 166 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: But um, it was I'm fascinated by the tug of 167 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: war over pie. And of course now everyone is like 168 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: as American as apple pie, and I'm like, that's English, 169 00:10:43,880 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: but right, all right, let's go bake pies. Let's be 170 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: on the show. We talked about the gallat at eleven. 171 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: We sure did contributions to the Space program. I when 172 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: I saw that conversation on Twitter that we talked about 173 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, I was like, that 174 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: sounds really cool and interesting, and it seems clear that 175 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: a lot of folks have been trying to make that 176 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: story more widely known. Sounds awesome. And I wasn't totally 177 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: aware when I got into it how much motion sickness 178 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: I was gonna be reading about motion sickness a thing 179 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: I am susceptible to and feel like over the course 180 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: of the pandemic, when I was not doing as much 181 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: travel by any means other than my own feat, I 182 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: feel like I've become more susceptible to it. It's like 183 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: I lost I lost my adaptation to being in a 184 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: car or on a train or a subway or whatever. 185 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that's actually though common, right, most people get 186 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: more own emotion sickness as they get older. Is that 187 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: just an old wives tale? It would not surprise me. 188 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: It seems likely. I mean, there's a lot of stuff 189 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: that happens in your ears as you ate. Right, I 190 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: will say this, I can't handle roller coasters that I 191 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: used to be able to handle, no problem. The same 192 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: way that Brian and I have both discussed, like when 193 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: we go to amusement parks, there's like a well we've 194 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: reached let's sit on the bench and wait for the 195 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: kids age like yeah, so our younger friends will go right, 196 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: and we're like, no, thank you. I have no problem. 197 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: I don't think, or had not until maybe recently, with 198 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: any inner ear stuff. I can read in a car 199 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: that I'm not driving, no problem. I can do. Tummy 200 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: is a different deal though, Like if you get a 201 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: sugar shuka shook a going on with my stomach contents, 202 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: there might be some nausea. Yeah you were. You were 203 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: with me for one of the most dramatic and sudden 204 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: experiences of motion sickness in my whole life. I feel 205 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: some degree of guilt because I feel like I caused it. No, 206 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: you didn't cause it. I was super excited about this 207 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: experience until moment one of its starting, which was on 208 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Star Tours. I was very excited about Star Tours, and 209 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: we say in the episode that that motions sickness is 210 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: still not entirely known. It is, there's still unanswered questions 211 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: about motion sickness, but like the most widely accepted explanation 212 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: for what causes it is like a mismatch between what 213 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: your eyes are seeing and what's happening in your vestibular system. 214 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: And that's definitely what was happening in this case, because 215 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: immediately the slight difference between what I was seeing and 216 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: the gimbal rig in Star Tours, just instantly it was like, Oh, 217 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend my entire remainder of this ride 218 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: focusing the entirety of my being on keeping my contents 219 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: inside my body. It's very funny too. I wonder, and 220 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: I would hate. I don't want to put you through 221 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: it to test it, but I do wonder what some 222 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: of the newer rides, and of course something you specifically 223 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: of Star Wars he rides would do to you, like 224 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: I think probably um Smugglers Run, which is the Millennium 225 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: Falcon ride. I think that might be problematic. Maybe. Yeah. 226 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't know about Rise of the Resistance though, because 227 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: there's less of the VR stuff you're more like in 228 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: in it. In it Um, so that would be curious, 229 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: but I would not want to be like Tracy get 230 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: on this. Let's see if you borrow. No, well, that's 231 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: I just pretty much don't. Uh. The only the only 232 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: VR thing I think I've tried that I did not 233 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: have an issue with was when we were on our 234 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: honeymoon and Iceland and there is a whale museum in 235 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: Iceland that had like a VR headset look at the 236 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: ocean and see whales, and it was like a soothing 237 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: enough experience without a ton of detail, and like like 238 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: you would just sort of be panning through the ocean 239 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: to look for whales and nothing was very sudden or jerky, 240 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: and like also like I was in control of the 241 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: whole thing, which I think helped. Um. So anyway, that's like, 242 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: that's the one. Otherwise I see the VR headset and 243 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, thanks, I'd love it. Um. This made 244 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: me think so much about balance and nausea. Um. Like 245 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: I thought about spotting in ballet. I don't know if 246 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: you've ever taken a dance class where you had a 247 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: warm spotting, which for anybody that hasn't, it's basically how 248 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: you teach dancers to be able to do many turns 249 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: without getting dizzy, where you keep your head kind of 250 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: focused on one thing and you turn it at the 251 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: last possible minute in relation to your body so that 252 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: you whip right around to look back at that thing again. Um. 253 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: I never had an issue with dizziness doing turns, but 254 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: I definitely knew people it did. But then, what I 255 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: really thought about, as you talked about everybody getting sick 256 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: on various apparatus, was going deep sea fishing with my dad, 257 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: where you kind of get the lecture at least on 258 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: the boat. We used to always charter of if you 259 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: get sick, that's fine, but get sick and keep fishing, 260 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: which is many people did. I never got sick. I 261 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: had a couple of moments in particularly lurchy water, where 262 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: again it was the stomach thing where I was like, 263 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: if I could just stare at a point, I'm fine 264 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: and I don't think about my tummy too much. But yeah, 265 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: I watched my dad throw up in fish many times. Yeah, 266 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: my I didn't. I didn't know this until. Um, the 267 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: first the first cruise I went ever went on, I 268 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: was totally fine the whole time. The second one that 269 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: I went on, we went through this place called the 270 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: windward passage way or the In addition to the motion 271 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: of the ship, the ship was being buffeted by winds 272 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: that were making it have this like side to side motion. 273 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: I had to leave during dinner and like try a 274 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: variety of places to be like, do I feel better here? No? 275 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: In fact I do not. Oh that is the worst feeling, 276 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: just trying to find some soulless yeah in in in 277 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: other circumstances, if I had gone out onto the deck, 278 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: I probably would have felt better. But it was extremely 279 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: hot and muggy on the deck, and so it was 280 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: like walking out and just feeling hot, wet washcloth air 281 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: hit my face and I was like, nope, that's worse. 282 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: So I told I told my dad the story, and 283 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: he was like, your grandfather was the same way and 284 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: also loved deep sea fishing, and so what he would 285 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: do is he would go and he would set his 286 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: line and just lie down on the deck wait for 287 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: something to happen. Uh. I think the only time of 288 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: emotion sick was in a very small plane, like truly 289 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: motion sick, and I didn't throw up, but I was 290 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: close enough that Brian grabbed one of the motion sickness 291 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: bags and was like, you are green. You are literally 292 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: the color green. Yeah, it's like okay, yeah. As far 293 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: as the actual subject of this episode, I hope that 294 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: there will be a book about them at some point. 295 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: I know there are a couple of people that have 296 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: have you know, done interviews with the folks who are 297 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: still living, which since this research took place in the 298 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: fifties and sixties, a lot of people have passed away. 299 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: At this point. There are a lot of documents that 300 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: people have donated to NASA. The fact that the one 301 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: way that people could communicate with their families back home 302 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: was through letters means that there are a lot of letters, uh. 303 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: And because this was how people were used to communicating 304 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: with each other, these letters, a lot of them are 305 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: really descriptive, UM and so you know, there's a potential 306 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: resource for that also. So hopefully at some point there 307 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: will be a book about all of this, all of 308 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: these folks and their contributions. A lot of people have 309 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: made uh comparisons to the women computers who were um, 310 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, became known as the hidden figures of the 311 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: Space program UH and who have become way more better 312 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: known UM in the last several years. We didn't get 313 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: into at all how these were all men and all 314 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: the research was being done on men, and at the time, 315 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: men were the only people who were allowed to go 316 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: to space, but that kind of felt like a whole 317 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: additional topic. Layer. Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad you did this 318 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: one because it is fascinating. It's also just fascinating to me, 319 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: like to think about human physiology and how seemingly minute 320 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: differences between people can cause huge differences in how they 321 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: react to various stimuli. That's just a fascinating thing. Yeah. 322 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: I hope by the time this episode comes out, I 323 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: have figured out a better way to share a transcript 324 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: of it with people. And in fact, I wish we 325 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: had transcripts of every single episode of our show. That 326 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: has been something I've been advocating for for so long, 327 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: and like so much of what we do because we 328 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: are not independently employed, right, We've always done this as 329 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: part of our jobs, and our jobs are part of 330 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: our company, like something we've advocated with with companies. UM. 331 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: I really liked how much effort Radio Lab seems to 332 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: have gone to you with making this episode of their 333 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: show accessible, and honestly, I would love it if the 334 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: whole podcast industry took that kind of accessibility steps at 335 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: all times. I mean, we should be for sure. It's 336 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: so like you said, it's it's a little bit tricky 337 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: when you're not running independently and can't make all the 338 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: decisions quickly, and it just comes with the package. Um hopefully, 339 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's my hope. As long as people keep 340 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: raising those questions and poking at it, that helps you 341 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: know we're doing it on our end. So if everybody 342 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: does it in their end, eventually, hopefully we will get there. 343 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: I hope. 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