1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, walcome to move the sticks? 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: DJ? 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Bucky back together again, Buck, How you doing, man. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: Man, I'm great. DJ. You may not know this, but 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: in southern cal Monday. 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: July twenty fourth was the official kickoff date for practices 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: for high schools. I don't know if your son, I 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: don't know if y'all kicked it off down there, but 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: today was the official day. Guys have been doing a 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: bunch of different things, seven on seven, running around, but 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: today is the official clock and DJ. Much like NFL 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: training camps, it happens fast. I think I counted maybe 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: fifteen practices. You got a scrimmage next week, you're playing, 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: and before you know it, Man. 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: In the the middle of the hamster wheel. You know 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: it's going. Man, it's already here. I think we are. 18 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: We start. Maybe a tiny bit later, we're still they're 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: still doing their you know, their workouts, conditioning. I think 20 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: they call it like acclamation. Oh yeah, this we're this 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: is something like that. 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: You get a three day acclamation, then you can helmets 23 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: and shower padge on, and then the sixth day you 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: can begin to clack clack and do all the other stuff. 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go off and run it, and I'm 26 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: excited about it. Man. High school football is the best. 27 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: We've got college football around the corner. NFL training camps 28 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: have started to open up. We mentioned it the other day. 29 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna be out on the road hitting some camps. Buck, 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: refresh me again. Where you're gonna be for the first day. 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: So I have a few different I'm gonna go see 32 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings two times. I'm gonna double back nice 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 3: on Saturday, then I'm come back again and go another Saturday. 34 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: In between there I'm head of the Niners, and then 35 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: I also we'll see the Seattle Seahawks. 36 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I'm going to I'm gonna be at the 37 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: Colts for the first day. Then I have hit Cowboys, 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: Chargers in there, and then I'm also gonna do Steelers 39 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Eagles I believe are the ones I'm hitting back east. 40 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: So be fun, get in, check in with some people 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: and check out some training camps, and we'll have updates 42 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: for you as we report back in here on the podcast. 43 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: How was last week? By the way, my boy Marcus 44 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: was in filling in for me, I was out in Alaska. 45 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: We let's tell you more about that in a minute. 46 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: But how was it? It was actually great DJ. I 47 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: got a chance to ask all of my fun fantasy questions, 48 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: nice how to build a fantasy football. 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: Team, how to do it, what has changed the landscape, 50 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: and those things. 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: Marcus was great, like you obviously can can see why 52 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: he's one of the best experts in the biz, and 53 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: so it was fun to have a little bit of 54 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: a crossover podcast where we talked about team building, but 55 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: in a different sense. 56 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: I love it, and look, fantasy football is huge. I 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: think people would be shocked to know how many people 58 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: in personnel departments actually play fantasy football. Because you've played 59 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: it with your high school buddies, your college buddies, and 60 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: even though you've ascended through the National Football League, it's 61 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: kind of a nice little thing you do on the side. 62 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: Now they can't dedicate the kind of time to their 63 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: team management that maybe some others in the league can, 64 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: but it's still a fun way to keep in touch 65 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: with your friends. 66 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: Man, it's a fun way. 67 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: It's a great game, and I feel like the NFL 68 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: has continued to increase in popularity a lot of it 69 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: is due to fantasy. You know, it's due to everybody 70 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: being able to get into it. Whether it's a man's league, 71 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: women's league, you have work leagues, you have all these 72 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 3: different things. I have high school kids talking about their 73 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: fantasy teams and all that. It's just been a great 74 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: way to increase the popularity because you have more eyeballs 75 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: on the sport because everybody wants to know where their 76 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: favorite players are. 77 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: Doing, no doubt. All Right, Today on the show, we're 78 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: gonna hit up a little bit of this running back discussion. 79 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: Jump in on that. Also going to talk about these 80 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: quarterback contracts that could be coming shortly, and maybe if 81 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: we have time, we'll delve into some college stuff and 82 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: a couple of college players. But I do want to 83 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: start off buck my trip. Just got back from Alaska. 84 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: Do this trip with my dad. He's a you know, 85 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: he's a pastor. He has he has a couple of 86 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: these cruises he does every year and they've gosh, he 87 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: has like a thousand people on there to kind of 88 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: hear him speaking. On this one. They had a little 89 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: football element, so I was on there, did some stuff 90 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: with James Brown shoot Legendary Hall of fame broadcaster at 91 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: CBS and then and Tony Dungee coach. Dungee was on 92 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: there as well, so it was cool to kind of 93 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: have some football conversation as you're on vacation. But I 94 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: wanted I wanted to hit you up with two little 95 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: stories that I heard from Tony Dungeon and get a 96 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: chance to visit with him and get your thoughts on him. 97 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: You're ready, yeah, do it all right. So, always trying 98 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: to figure out the quarterback position. We talk about on 99 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: the pod all the time. We're going to talk about 100 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: a couple quarterbacks here in a little bit, but kind 101 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: of what makes those guys great? How do you evaluate him? 102 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: It's one of the most difficult things to do in 103 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: this job is to evaluate these quarterbacks. Try and get 104 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: him right. If you hit on one, you're set for 105 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: a decade. Plus. We've seen organizations wander in the desert 106 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: for twenty years trying to find a guy that can't 107 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: find him. So when you get a chance to talk 108 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: to somebody who's been around greatness, I love to kind 109 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: of pick his brain a little bit. So I wanted 110 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: to get some more Peyton Manning info and nuggets, and 111 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: we've heard so many stories over the years, but this 112 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: one was one that actually, I'll give you a couple 113 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: Peyton stories that stood out to me. Number one, remember 114 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: when Anthony Gonzalez was picked, took the wide receiver out 115 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: of Ohio State. Yeah, so he was telling the story 116 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: about when he got picked. Ohio State was on the 117 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: quarter system. So, in other words, for the off season 118 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: work when you come in for mini camps, he couldn't 119 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: come in because he hadn't graduated. You know, their school 120 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: year had not ended, so you weren't allowed to come 121 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: to the facility at that point in time. So he 122 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: is frustrated Peyton to no end, like, here's a first 123 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: round receiver. We got to get him plugged in, we 124 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: got to get him going. So he's in Columbus, Ohio, 125 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: which is two and a half hours away, and he 126 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: had to finish his classes so he couldn't leave Columbus, 127 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: so it's not he'd go on his free time and 128 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: come try and find Peyton and do a one on 129 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: one workout. So Peyton would do the off season day, 130 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: go through the whole day, go through the practice. He 131 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: would get in. He did all this on his own, 132 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: got in his car, drove two and a half hours 133 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: to Columbus Wow, gave him the install for that day, 134 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: and then went through the full workout with him, get 135 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: to get their reps in, to get their chemistry done. 136 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Then would drive back to Indianapolis, get up the next day, 137 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: do the same thing over and over again. So you're 138 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: talking about six plus hours round trip as a Hall 139 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback just to get on the same page 140 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: as your rookie wide receiver in the spring. So when 141 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: we talk about these guys like there's a difference between 142 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: there's a difference between committed, dedicated, and obsessed. Like that 143 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: is a level of obsession is the reason why he 144 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: goes down as one of the greatest of all time. 145 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: It's funny to you said that, because last week we 146 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: had the NFL Summit and Tim Grover legendary training of 147 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: Kobe MJ Dwayne Wade. He stood on stage and he 148 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: talked about obsession, and he talked about the greats are 149 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: not interested, they're obsessed with the process of winning and 150 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: all the other things. So when you just talk about 151 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: that little story on Peyton Manning, it pulls the curtain 152 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: back on his obsession. His obsession when it comes to 153 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: I want to be great, I want my team to 154 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: be great. I'm gonna pay attention to the details. This 155 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 3: guy can't get here, so you know what I'm gonna do. 156 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna take training camp to him. And that's how 157 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: important it is. And then DJ, people are going crazy 158 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: about the Quarterback Series and what Pat Mahomes did. We 159 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: talked about what Pat Mahomes did, basically a a mini 160 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: camp install away from the facility. 161 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: DJ. 162 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: That's the difference to great ones. They know, man champions 163 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: do extra and so that is a great example of 164 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame quarterback, a championship level quarterback in 165 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: what they do. 166 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: That's what they do all the time. 167 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: They obsessed with m h It's it's just a different 168 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: level of obsession. And one of the other stories he 169 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: told that I thought was pretty funny. Who is the 170 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: tight end with the Colts Pollard? What was his first name, Marcus, 171 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Marcus father. He now works with the Jaguars as a 172 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: play development There you go, Marcus Pollard, So you have 173 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: to you have to hit him up on this story 174 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: and get confirmation from one coach. Dungee told, but he said, 175 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of easy, young tight end and 176 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: they're out in the field and Peyton just starts going 177 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: off on him, just going off on him. You're not here, 178 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be there, Dad, coach him up on 179 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: where you're not where you're supposed to be against this 180 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: look blah blah blah. And he said he kind of 181 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: looked at Peyton and he's like, well, the tight end 182 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: coach told me opposite da going to this whole thing. 183 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: So he goes to coach Dunjie comes over and talks 184 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: to him and says like, Hey, what's the deal. He's like, 185 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Like my 186 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: tight ends coach told me, I'm supposed to do this. 187 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: Peyton's yelling at me, telling me I'm supposed to do that. 188 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: He goes, well, if you want the football, I probably 189 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: go with the quarterback on that one. 190 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: I mean, he's not wrong. I mean that's that's how 191 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: it goes. 192 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: But you know, the other thing that this has light 193 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: on is the ownership that a quarterback has and how 194 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: at the highest levels when you have a franchise quarterback, 195 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: the head coach and some of those guys they defer. 196 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: You know, you defer in terms of some things like, hey, 197 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 3: well in the playbook he says this, Yeah, but the 198 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: quarterback likes it this way, and that's not uncommon. We've 199 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: been at organizations and franchise where you have an elite quarterback. 200 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he dictates the terms. 201 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: DJ. 202 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen some of the stuff 203 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: that's buzzing in New York. Look, I wasn't buying into 204 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: the air Rodgers of New York thing, but I'm not 205 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 3: going to these clips jump. I'm not jumping all the 206 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: way on board, but I may stick my tour in 207 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: to water a little bit. But look the clips that 208 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: I'm seeing with Garrett Wilson, the way that he is 209 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: like showing up, just the way that the teammates are 210 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: all in. Look, man, it's eerily similar to the way 211 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: that the Buccaneers were all in on Tom Brady the team. 212 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: And so we'll see if his body can hold up 213 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 3: and he can last. But I will say they are 214 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: certainly hanging on his every word. He is the pie 215 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: piper up in New York. And you can just see 216 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: the energy. And I know it's social and they edit 217 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: what but you can see there's a different energy. And 218 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard, but some of the 219 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: reports they're talking about Zack Wilson might have been the 220 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: best thing that happened to Zack Wilson. He not only 221 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: gets a chance to have a veteran play in front 222 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: of him, but he gets a chance to sit behind 223 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: a guy that he idolized. And if it's open and 224 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: sharing Aaron, well, yeah, Zach Wilson's gonna have a chance 225 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 3: to rebuild his career and become a better player because 226 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: he got a chance to sit behind a great one 227 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: and the great one is willing to share nuggets that 228 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: can help. 229 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: Him be a better player. 230 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it would be a legacy play for Aaron Rodgers, 231 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, for you know, oh yeah, ten fifteen years 232 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: after now, if it does work out for Zach Wilson, 233 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: Aaron can take some credit for that. So, no, it 234 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: does look like a lot of positivity, a lot of 235 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: positive news coming out of Jets Camp. I'll give you 236 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 1: one more story from Coach Dungee and we'll kind of 237 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: jump in. We'll stay on that quarterback discussion here in 238 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: just a second. 239 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: But the other. 240 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: One, you know, I talked about all the great players 241 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: he's been around and in the other great coaches he's 242 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: been around. But when you hear him talk about Chuck Knowle, 243 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: who he played for with the Pittsburgh Steelers, there's like 244 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: a reverence there. I mean, Tony Dungee is very classy. 245 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: He's always gonna you know, he's always going to be 246 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: impressive the way he talks about people. But this one 247 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: just is a different tone in his voice. When we 248 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: talked about Chuck Knowle, and I was trying to ask 249 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: him about describing his style as a coach, and he said, 250 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: you know, it's a different, little bit different era when 251 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: you had guys like him and Tom Landry, weren't those 252 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: guys were not yellers and screamers, he said, like the 253 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: most and this is something I was thinking about you 254 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: as a coach. The most common thing that coach Noel 255 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: would say to him was what did you see? In 256 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: other words, you make a mistake? Instead of what are 257 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: you doing? No, no, no, you're supposed to hear you're there, 258 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: you would supposed to do this, You dropped it, concentrate 259 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, he would just put his arm and say, 260 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: what'd you see? And I think that is that's a teacher, 261 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: right that's okay, you made the mistake. You know you 262 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: made a mistake. I don't need to yell at you 263 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: and tell you you made a mistake, but just tell 264 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: me what were you looking at? Why did you do 265 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: what you did? And then when guys can explain that, 266 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: I think if you don't understand the mistake that you've made, 267 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a hard time getting better. But I 268 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: think it's got to be encouraging. And I love your 269 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: thoughts on this, even just at the high school level, 270 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: it's got to be encouraging to you when a guy 271 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: knows what was wrong and what he saw. I say, Coach, 272 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: I saw this, but it wasn't that you know I 273 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: was wrong. Blah blah blah. 274 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: No, those are the great moments. 275 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: And so it's funny you bring up a Tony Dungee 276 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: story because I have others who had been close to 277 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: Tony Dungeon. I'm always asking them like, what did he 278 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: do or whatever? And Chuck No would always come up. 279 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: So DJ then when you start studying Chuck knowing those 280 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 3: guys teachers and simplicity and repetition and those things, and 281 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: so it is that and when you talk about a 282 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: different time yes, it was a different time, but man, 283 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: great coaches transcend every era. And so when you think 284 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: about this game, the game is really one where it 285 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: has to be taught, and so no matter how much 286 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: you've played, you still have to be taught the nuances 287 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: of the game. And I think what Tony Dungee, what 288 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: Chuck know. What those guys are able to do is 289 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: to take the complex and make it simple. And by 290 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: having that two way conversation, they're getting buy in because 291 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 3: it's about, hey, man, we want to get this right, 292 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: so how can I help you understand what it is 293 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: that we're doing. I would say this, and we've seen 294 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: it when I watched Doug Peterson interact with Trevor Lawrence. 295 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: He's those guys, but the tone with which he delivers resonates. 296 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence talks about, man, I'm being taught those things. 297 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: I think as much as I love like the old school, 298 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: macho or whatever, I think the best coaches have the 299 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: ability to teach the game, and they teach it in 300 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: a way that it resonates with the players. And sometimes 301 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: that's a taking your voice down, not being distracted by 302 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: the yelling, and being able to simply explain it, because 303 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 3: no one wants to go out there and mess up 304 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: on their own unless they're a thing done, Like nobody 305 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: deliberately goes out to bus cover. So okay, well, maybe 306 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: as a coach I can do a better job of 307 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 3: explaining it and meet them at their level. 308 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: The other thing that was mentioned and talking about the 309 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: bucks and think about the defenses that they had there 310 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: and how dominant they were, he said that the big thing, 311 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: one of the big things for them was just loafs, 312 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: and that was like there was such pride in not 313 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: getting a loaf. And he said to the point where 314 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: there was a play where Robert Smith breaks out into 315 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: the open field and Warren Sap tracks him down and 316 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: tackles him about sixty yards down the field. So they 317 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: get to the film and uh, I don't know if 318 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: it was Tierlink who was the D line coach, whoever 319 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: the D line coach was at that time for them. 320 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe was Marrionelli just as kind of the DC 321 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: in the or no, he would have been the D 322 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: line coach. Then you had Kiff, and Kiffin would have 323 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: been the DC. But he got a loaf on the 324 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: play here he tacked he went Robert Smith's a track star. 325 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: He tackles him sixty yards down the field, they said. 326 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: Warren was livid, like, how can you give me a loaf? 327 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: I just ran this dude down. He goes, well, watch 328 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of the play, so you're not getting up 329 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: the field. So then you turned it on. He said, 330 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: if you'd have been playing hard the whole time, you'd 331 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: have caught him at forty yards instead of sixties. Then 332 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: Warren couldn't say anything. He said, there was so much 333 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: pride in how hard they played. And then it got 334 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: me thinking of man, another example, if you want to 335 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: look at the great, potentially the great defenses in this 336 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: league going into this upcoming season, look and see who 337 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: has not only talent at the D line position, who 338 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: has depth so that those guys can play one hundred 339 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: miles an hour at all times. 340 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: So it's funny that you bring up that, like Rob 341 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: Mary Nelly and the Tampa defense and all those things. 342 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: So I don't know if I ever told you the story. 343 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: So it this is my first year as a head 344 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: coach coaching high school, and I watched the Cowboys play 345 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: forever and I'm just like, man, they play so hard, 346 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: so part of NFL Network duties. I have to go 347 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: up to training camp and I'm watching them and they're 348 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: just flying to the ball. I mean like, I mean, 349 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: like that out of hell, just going. And so at 350 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: the end of practice, Rob Mary Nelly's walking into the 351 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: parking lot and I pull them up. 352 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: I said, hey, coach, I got to ask you this stuff. 353 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: I said, Look, it's my. 354 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: First year coach in high school and man, I'm looking 355 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: at you your guys, and how did they play? So? 356 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: How are you getting the play so hard? 357 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: He said, you demanded, he said, and hept because the 358 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: old military guy, he said, buck, you demand the effort 359 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: every play and anytime that's not up to park you 360 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: make them do it over. And the funny thing that 361 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: you said about Loavest, I wish I could show you 362 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: my script. 363 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: My script says that DJ. It says exactly what Oh, I. 364 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: Got it right here, It did DJ, because I said, righty, 365 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: so so period you see effort right, And it talks 366 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: about eleven defenders running to the ball at all time. 367 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: Love that. 368 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: Max effort a loaf by definition, And this came from 369 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: Rob Mary Nelly and those guys. 370 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: Any defender passed up by another defender on the way 371 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: to the ball, or any change in speed by defender 372 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: before getting to the ball mining you're running and you're like, oh, 373 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: I got a good You had more to get So 374 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: that story ties into it. 375 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, like Rob Mary Nelly talked about that and DJ, 376 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: there is just something too if you can get a 377 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: defense to just play hard. It ain't always gonna be great, 378 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: but those things And so when you hear Tony Dunee 379 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: talk about it, when you see Rob Mary Nelly and 380 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: those guys love E Smith and all those guys that 381 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: come from that tree, the common denominator is their defenses 382 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: play hard and good things happen when you run to 383 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 3: the ball. 384 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: And so it's just that that high standard. 385 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 3: And when Warren Stap used to work with us at 386 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: NFL Media, he used to talk about their pursuit drill 387 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: and how they always started practice with a pursuit drill. 388 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 3: Run into the corner and it would be like Gladiator 389 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: thumbs up, thumbs down. But it's you're thinking about pros pros, 390 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: but they still demand the kind of effort that you 391 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: would demand from Pop Warner kids. And so it look, 392 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: it works it you know it. It's something that has 393 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: been passed on. You talk about Chuck no telling Tony 394 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 3: Dungee telling all those other guys, but it continues to 395 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: work in this league. 396 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: No, it's uh, it is really interesting. The other thing 397 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: you talked about, you know, kind of the Steelers defense, 398 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: the greatest defense of all time, all the Hall of 399 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: Famers that they had house. It was an unselfish and 400 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: unselfish group. You know, so do your job. How many 401 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: times it's like you hear Belichick say it, do your 402 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: job and like, no, I'm gonna dominate. You donate your role, 403 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: You do everything one hundred miles an hour, but you 404 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: don't get outside of that. You know what I mean? 405 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: You kind of do your job. 406 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 3: It really is that, and it's about getting everybody to 407 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: buy in. It's about trying to avoid the hero plays, 408 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: but just being one eleventh of the defense. And if 409 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 3: everybody just does their part, the defense is gonna play well. 410 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 3: Bring effort, bring toughness, know exactly what to do. You're 411 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: gonna have a chance to play a good defense. And 412 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: the depth that you talk about is really critical because 413 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: in today's game, you can't just play with those four 414 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 3: guys up front all the time. You gotta have seven, eight, 415 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: nine guys that can play, because then you know I 416 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: can play hard, and I can tap my helm and 417 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: get a blow, and somebody else is gonna come and 418 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: play just as hard as I play, no doubt. 419 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: All Right, Football's back. Celebrate by watching as teams across 420 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: the league take the field for training camp Back Together 421 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: Weekend presented by YouTube with two full days of practices 422 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: and player interviews, miked up moments, and fan fests across 423 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: the league. It's a can't miss and reunion. 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All right, Buck, 431 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: let's let's jump into this quarterback chat here real quick. 432 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: The two out there, I think everybody kind of knows 433 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: the ones that we're waiting on. We think about Justin 434 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: Herbert with the Chargers, think about Joe Burrow and you 435 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: already had the Jalen Hurts contract that came down. Those 436 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: seem to be the next two that are on the horizon, 437 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm curious to see which which one 438 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: gets done first, first of all, but then to see 439 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: the personnel department and the challenge that's issued, because I 440 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: almost I believe once that happens, you know, because of 441 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the chunk of the pie that's going to be taken 442 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: up with this contract, because either these are gonna be 443 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: massive deals. Man, the number is gonna be huge. It 444 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: changes as we've been as has been well documented, how 445 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: you function, how you build your team going forward. But 446 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: I almost wonder if there's an immediate change in that. Hey, 447 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: coaching staff, guys, we better be spending our time in 448 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: developing our fifth, sixth, seventh round picks are undrafted free agents, 449 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: the guys that we can. We have to unearth some 450 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: cheap starters here over the length of this next contract, 451 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: hopefully for both those guys. You're talking about the next 452 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: fifteen years having these guys so teaching, developing, finding young 453 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: cheap starters. They might not have to do it this year, 454 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: you know, but going to next year, you need to 455 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: have those guys developed in right a role? 456 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to develop them, and the game changes 457 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 3: because if you're going to pay let's just talk about 458 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: fifty million plus for the quarterback, now, DJ, your resources 459 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: are still going to the quarterback to to make sure 460 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: that quarterback plays at that level. So we've always talked 461 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: about the p's right, So we talked about the playmakers 462 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: and pass protection and all that other stuff. But DJ 463 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: the past rushers. So when I think about like your 464 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: situation with the charges right and Tom to LESCo, Tom 465 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: to LESCo learned at the knee of Bill Polian when 466 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: you watched how those Colts teams were constructed back then, 467 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: because you always influenced by what you were around. 468 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: It was Peyton Manning who they paid big money to. 469 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: The first round picks that they normally expended wide receivers. 470 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 3: Think about Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison, both first rounders. 471 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: Dallas Clark, I think was a first round pick, the 472 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: left tackles Tarrik Glenn and those guys were first round picks. 473 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: And then the pass rushers, Dwight Freeney. Now they found 474 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: Robert Mathis later, but they paid him. They paid him, 475 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 3: and so let's just think about the premium positions you'll 476 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 3: spend the first round pick on. They would draft cornerbacks 477 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: because you remember they took Marlon Jackson and those things, 478 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: but everybody else. Hey, coaches, we got to get the grass, 479 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 3: we gotta develop them. We're gonna play young guys. We're 480 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 3: gonna do it. And sometimes DJ, if you're high powered 481 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 3: on offense, then maybe what you want is a little 482 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: more simplistic defense where you can play young players and 483 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 3: get it going. And so when we talk about team building, 484 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: a lot of times you hear us in games talk 485 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: about complimentary football. Well, team building is complementary reconstruction. How 486 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: do I compliment what we have franchise quarterback, Well, I'm 487 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 3: gonna devote the resources to offense with the exception of 488 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: two or three more key positions on defense, got to 489 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: have multiple pass rushers. Then I got to determine do 490 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: I want to have the premier corner or a premier 491 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 3: second level player. But it has to be that because 492 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: it can't. All the other stuff has to go to 493 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 3: the offense. 494 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you can schedule your vacations now 495 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: for the first week of free agency. Set that one out. 496 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: Those are premium prices. We're not paying premium prices. No, 497 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: no need to. 498 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 3: No, we're gonna have to do it, and we're gonna 499 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: have to have a plan to get the young guys 500 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: on the field. 501 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: And at that point we've talked about it. 502 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: When the quarterback is young and playing on the rookie deal, 503 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: I will pay whatever I need to pay this around 504 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: them with big time playmakers. However, when I write that 505 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: check for him, now we might have to. 506 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: Sku He's got to elevate some of these guys. 507 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: Because now he's a de facto wide receiver coach. He 508 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: got to develop the younger guys. He got to get 509 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: him on the same page. We now need to take 510 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: some of that capital that might be going to the 511 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: wide receivers. Now, we got to put that in the 512 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: past rush because if my quarterback is what I think 513 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 3: he is, we're going to be. 514 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: Playing with leads. 515 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: And so if I'm playing with the lead, I need 516 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: closers that can finish the game. 517 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: And one thing to keep an eye on with these 518 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: two deals and we'll see again how they how they 519 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: turn out. I'm curious. I know the number is going 520 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: to be big. I'm curious on the length because one 521 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: of the things that Mahomes did. He did the Chiefs 522 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: a tremendous solid by going so long in his deal, 523 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: which allowed them to move money around, which allowed them 524 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: to take care of a lot of other guys in 525 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: their roster. You know, I think I think it hurts. 526 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: What hurts four years? 527 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: I think so? 528 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I think so. 529 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 530 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: I mean most of these guys, you're confident you're playing well. 531 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: You want shorter, not longer, because you think the market's 532 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: going to keep taking off. So from a player's standpoint, 533 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: you're going to probably lobby and fight for three four years. 534 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: From a team standpoint, man, you're like, I'll write the check, man, 535 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: but you got to help me out with the years 536 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: here so we can continue to build up the rest 537 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: of the roster. 538 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you got to have some flexibility. And 539 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: when you're the quarterback, I mean you're in essence the bank, 540 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: meaning when the team has to resign somebody, they're always 541 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: going to restructure to quarterbacks deal because that's the biggest 542 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 3: thing that you can do when it comes to getting 543 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: the money to pay other people. And so it needs 544 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: to be team friendly, but have some things in there 545 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: that allows you to kind of bar against it taking 546 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: a second mortgage out so you can get some of 547 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: these other players. Yeah, but it's a huge deal. It 548 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 3: is important that you do have the quarterback locked up 549 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 3: long enough to allow you to flexible to do some 550 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: of those things well, knowing that he's going to fight 551 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 3: for a shorter term because he wants to get paid. 552 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: And look, in the end, if I got a marquee quarterback, 553 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: no one, no one haggles for paying for greatness. Is 554 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 3: that mediocre the mediocrity that you don't want to pay for. 555 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, nobill put the contract for Hurts in 556 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: the chat here. So that was a five year contract, 557 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: not a four year. It was worth two hundred and 558 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: fifty five million, just over one hundred and ten million 559 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: of fully guaranteed money at the point of signing, one 560 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy nine million. Uh and for injury. So 561 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: those numbers are going to get way passed up as 562 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: these next two deals come in. So I think it 563 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: might have been Dak Prescott. Maybe that's why I was 564 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: thinking of with the four year deal. 565 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think was that four year one 566 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 3: sixty So that's what it seems like. 567 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: I think that's that was the deal back. 568 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, four year bucks sixty you're right, one hundred 569 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: and twenty six million guaranteed. So there you go. That 570 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: was the That was the deal. So keep an eye 571 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: in the years. Don't just keep a eye on the money, 572 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: keep an eye in the years when these come down. 573 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: A couple more things before we get out of here. 574 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: Buck running backs. It's it's obviously been the discussion. I 575 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: know you wrote about it, but just love to get 576 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: your thoughts on where we are as the position. I understand, 577 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, Austin Eckler's kind of been the driving force 578 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: trying to get these guys organized, get them together. I 579 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: just I mean in Saquan's you know, I think Josh 580 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: Jacobs just left Vegas so he might not be out 581 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: there in time. Saquon's going through his deal, He's had 582 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: a lot to say. Austin's been incredibly frustrated. I just 583 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's not saying we 584 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: don't think running backs are important, or running backs have 585 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: a tremendous role on their teams and they can win 586 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: games for you. They have no leverage. I don't know 587 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: how else to say it. I feel bad for them, 588 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: I do, But if you're a team. No, there's no 589 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: reason for you to nudge. You have every ounce of 590 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: leverage on your side. 591 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have every ounce of leverage. And I underst standard. 592 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: Here's what I say, because there are a couple of 593 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 3: different things when it comes to the running back stuff, 594 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: and I think it's important to make distinctions when it 595 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: comes to it. Okay, so you have a faction of 596 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: folks that never want to pay the running back, and 597 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 3: I actually understanding get that. But then what you have 598 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: is people that not only they don't want to pay him, 599 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 3: they don't want to draft him early. 600 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: And what I would get I disagree with that. 601 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 3: And so what I would contend is if you tell 602 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 3: me that I can get a b Jon Robinson in 603 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: the draft right and I could take the SA Kwon 604 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: Berkley approach. 605 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: I have him for five years on his original deal. 606 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: I have two franchise tags in my pocket, which now 607 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: takes me the seven years DJ. I can't really think 608 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: of a running back that has been elite in years eight, nine, 609 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: ten at the position. It just doesn't happen in the game. 610 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 3: So my thing would be take the most talented player high, 611 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: knowing that this is a seven year deal and at 612 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: the end of seven years, I'm not going to pay him. 613 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 3: I'm not going to go above and beyond that. The 614 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: issue that can come about is when you take lower 615 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: round guys. I'll say this, you may get a lesser talent, 616 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: but they also come up sooner and so you have 617 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: to kind of do that if you're gonna take a 618 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 3: later round. Pick to me is, hey, I'm gonna take one, 619 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna draft one every year and I just 620 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 3: know I'm never gonna pay him, and everyone in the 621 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: building has to be okay with that. So my thing 622 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: is just the nuances between the approach. I'm not saying 623 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: that you have to pay them Todd Gurly one. What 624 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: I'm saying is take a really good one in the 625 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: first round and do it. And I've seen this because 626 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: people brought this up. I think Tyler Algiers and Christian McCaffrey. 627 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 3: I think the rushing yards were the same people saying like, hey, 628 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 3: you're paying X million per rushing yard for McCaffrey in 629 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: such and such styles and for that. The only thing 630 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: I would say in terms of stat gazing, be careful 631 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 3: because it's a bigger impact. 632 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: That also goes on when you're looking at the position. 633 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: When Christian McCaffrey breaks the huddle, you treat him differently 634 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: than you would a child. 635 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 3: I hear. So some of that is that now you 636 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: can debate whether you want to pay that much premium 637 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: for how the defense reacts. But there is a difference 638 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: between some of those guys that we're talking about with 639 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: the numbers and other guys that may be putting up 640 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: comparable statistics. 641 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think to your earlier point, I mean 642 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, this was he came off his seventh year 643 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: and he had fifteen hundred yard season. Now, two things 644 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: on that. His first two years he did not get 645 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: a ton of carries, so he didn't have I mean, 646 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: obviously tremendous tread on his tires coming out of college, 647 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: but his first two years in the NFL, he didn't 648 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: get worn down. And the other thing is he's a 649 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: physical freak, like he's he is Calvin Johnson, whatever you 650 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: want to say, Like those guys don't come into the 651 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: league but every ten years that are that much different 652 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: physically than everybody else that plays their position. He's a unicorn. 653 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: But the vast majority guys, once you get beyond that, 654 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: time that's seven years. It doesn't go great. So those 655 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: are just kind of the facts. It's like, hey, I 656 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: don't want to why buy, I can lease. I can 657 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: lease a running back for six or seven years, and 658 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: then I'll just I'll turn the car in, I'll get 659 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: another one. It sounds pallous. I hate saying it, but 660 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: that's just the way teams are looking at it. 661 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: That is it. 662 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: And then the only thing that I would say to 663 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 3: the running backs that are I would say complaining about that. Right, 664 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs Saquon Barkley were drafted in the first round, 665 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: those deals based on like comparatively to other rookies are 666 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: significant deals because they were first round picks. Now it 667 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: wasn't like top of the market, you know, quarterback money whatever, 668 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 3: but it was that and then you get back to 669 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 3: back franchise tags, but still top of the market stuff. 670 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: I would say. 671 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: The issue that I would have if I'm a running 672 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 3: back is people go hard at the running backs, but 673 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 3: they don't talk about the complimentary receivers. And so I 674 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: could see where if you're the Las Vegas Raiders and 675 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: you're Josh Jacobs looking at that team and you look 676 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 3: into your right hold and Hunter renfro is making fifteen 677 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: million dollars and you're stuck at ten. Yeah, that would 678 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: be the part that I was like, hold on, wait 679 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 3: a minute, why are we so quick to give out 680 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 3: all the money to the receivers. 681 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: I think that's where it is. It's about the playmaker. 682 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: You want to play the offensive playmakers significant money, and 683 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 3: so everyone just needs to make sure that the money 684 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: that you're given out, you're giving it out to the 685 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: right guys that can produce and produce over time. 686 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe with you know, the advances we've seen 687 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: and being able to take care of yourself, take care 688 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: of your body, that we'll see more longevity. But I 689 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: think there's too many examples. 690 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: It's killed. 691 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: They can be mad, but the people that they needed 692 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: to be mad at are not the general managers, per 693 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: se it should be Todd Gurley. 694 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: If Todd Gurley Girly worked out Elli Levon Bell. 695 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: Like those deals in secession. 696 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: Kill the market because it didn't. 697 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: It didn't play out right, it didn't age. It aged 698 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: like bad milk. 699 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: And so that's that's the issue, and that's why it's 700 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: going to be really really difficult for them to do 701 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: it because until you're able to pay somebody and they play. 702 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: Even Christian McCaffrey, who I love like after he got paid, 703 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: he had two injury more seasons. He had been injured 704 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: like that before when it was when it was time 705 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: to pay him. And so it's just one of those 706 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: things with the position. 707 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: So to summarize kind of my feelings on it, I 708 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: don't blame the running backs at all for trying to 709 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: push and bully their way into an extension. I don't 710 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: blame them. You can push and you can bully. We 711 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: saw it work with Kyler Murray. We saw Kyler Murray, 712 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: Eric Burkhard's agent put out the All Caps remember that 713 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: the All Caps letter, and he got and you know what, 714 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: they had some leverage because if your quarterback doesn't show up, 715 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to win games. And you know they they 716 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: had some leverage there. Now it ended up being the 717 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: right move because we've seen the stock for Kyler Murray 718 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: due to injury and other reasons, completely tank. So they 719 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: were smart to push them to get a deal done now. 720 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: But they had some leverage. As a quarterback. You just 721 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: do not carry that same leverage as a running back. 722 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. It doesn't work that way. 723 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: It doesn't work that way, and it's one of the 724 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: things that you have to understand it. Also, like I 725 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: don't think people pay close attention to the new CBA 726 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: and what the CBA did when it came to holdouts 727 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: and all that can't do it. 728 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: It wiped away all the leverage. 729 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 3: Even Chris Jones is not a running back, but Chris 730 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: Jones won to can't see the chiefs like, man, it's 731 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: great you're going withhold your services, but you're in the contract. 732 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 3: It's fifty k a day and we no longer have 733 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: the ability to wipe away your fines. So whatever you find, 734 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 3: you're having to write that check. And so it's one 735 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 3: of the things it's in the CBA when you have 736 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: a collective bargaining agreement. Great general managers understand all of 737 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 3: it and they will use their vehicles to the advantage. 738 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: And so for running backs, Look. 739 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: Man, you can let us on the media side do 740 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: all the kicking and screaming for you, but when it 741 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: comes down to it, there is nothing that Josh Jacobs 742 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: in say que Barty can do to make the Giants 743 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 3: or the Raiders pay them what they want. 744 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: There's nothing they can do. It's done. 745 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 3: You got to take the deal when the deal was 746 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 3: on the table. It's unfortunate, but we all sometimes have 747 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 3: to make concessions. They didn't do it, so now they 748 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: have to play on the tag. There's not another option. 749 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. So it's been a popular 750 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,959 Speaker 1: topic of conversation of late for sure. Two quick things 751 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: on the college front, Buck, as we come to a 752 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: close here, I've got the First Look series is out. 753 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: I've got gosh, there's Jared Verse. You can find that 754 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com. That is right up from Florida State. 755 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, talented quarterback from USC. That one's out. Marvin 756 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: Harrison Junior is out, the wide receiver from Ohio State. 757 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: I just finished up Brock Bowers. I think that'll come 758 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: out tomorrow and then I have Drake May left, so 759 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: kind of kind of wrap up that little mini series 760 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: I do on some of these top college guys. A 761 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: couple we haven't talked about yet with Marvin Harrison and 762 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: Brock Bowers. Marvin Harrison as good as what you had thought. 763 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: You know, when you will catch cash watch a guy 764 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: you never know. Then you really dig in and see Okay, 765 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: what does this look like? Elite elite ball skills. He's 766 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: a lot stronger and a lot bigger than his dad. 767 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: He's not quite as shifty and as quick as his dad. Obviously, 768 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: he's a bigger guy, but graceful when the ball is 769 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: up in the air, and then he's physical and strong 770 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: after the catch. There's one there's an adjustment. I can't 771 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: remember the game, Buck, It's a back shoulder throw. He's 772 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: up in the air, he twirls around and catches it, 773 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: and then he's in a three sixty hits with his 774 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: feet pointing towards the end zone, hits the feet, hits 775 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: the ground and goes. I'm like, okay, that's just that's 776 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: some freaky, some freaky ball skills stuff there. I still 777 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: think you could see him from throughout the season. He 778 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: got more polished as a route runner as the year 779 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: when along, he's just getting better and better and better. 780 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: And from all the stuff I get out at Ohio State, 781 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: he's a maniac worker who's obsessed. I don't see how 782 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: this kid's not a great player. 783 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 2: I got even more for you. 784 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 3: So you would think that a guy who has a 785 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame dad at the same position that he plays, 786 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: would spend a lot of his time working with his dad. 787 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 3: The guy who has really helped Marvin Harrison junior. You 788 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: remember Kevin Johnson, the former quarterback of Syracuse. They played 789 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: for a long time in the league with the Cleveland Browns. 790 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: Evidently he has been the guy that has worked with 791 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 3: them for a long time. Years ago, when Marvin Harrison 792 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 3: was coming through the Nike tour, I remember it might 793 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 3: have been at the Jets facility. He comes through whatever, 794 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 3: Kevin Johnson's there because he's in Jersey, so they've always 795 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 3: done it, and because Kevin has the ability to do 796 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: the talking. You know sometimes like you know, like your 797 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 3: kids don't come to you for advice and certain things 798 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: even though you're like, dude, like you know, this is 799 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 3: my wheels, but whatever, Kevin Johnson has played a pivotal 800 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: role in kind of helping them with the training. 801 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: This is it, man. 802 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 3: He's a really good kid, a great player and DJ man. 803 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: You just see the size difference between he and his dad. 804 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 3: But you know, all that Hall of Fame talent is 805 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 3: right there in the bloodlines. I mean, to me, he's 806 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 3: an easy evaluation. He is terrific as a playman. 807 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: He is absolutely now the one thing if you look 808 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: at all those recent Ohio State guys in terms of 809 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: just like suddenness and quickness in and out of breaks, 810 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 1: like Garrett Wilson can do some things in that department 811 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: that he can't do Smith and Jigba is really quick too. 812 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: Different style receiver. He is a kind of play above 813 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: the rim, go down the field attack type type player. 814 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: He's going to be good after the catch because he's 815 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: fast and he's strong. He doesn't have quite as much 816 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: wiggle as those as those other guys. 817 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 3: Well, he's different than most of the other Ohio State 818 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 3: receivers that have come out. Most of those guys have 819 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 3: been I mean six foot six y' one right in 820 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 3: that he's a bigger, bigger body. 821 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 2: Different. 822 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 3: But look, this would be a huge year for you him. 823 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 3: I mean we've already talked about him. People haven't pegged 824 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 3: as a top ten talent. If he elects to come out, 825 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 3: I mean he is a number one. It's an easy 826 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 3: evaluation in terms of when we talk about a wide 827 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: receiver one, that's how you want your wide receiver one 828 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 3: to look like. I mean, size, talent, playmaking ability, he 829 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 3: has all those things. 830 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: He kind of reminded me a little bit of a 831 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: mix of AJ Green with AJ Green's kind of acrobatics 832 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: up in the air. And then but the strength wise, 833 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: now he's not he's probably a few pounds lighter. But 834 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson how he kind of played the game. I 835 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: think he's got some kind of a blend, a little 836 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: nice little mix of those two stud receivers. 837 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 2: Man, that's nice, that's nice comparison. 838 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's that's that's big time dudes. And then bruck 839 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: Bauers again, that one should be out tomorrow. Not you know, 840 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: it's a different body type for a tight end, So 841 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: he's gonna be let's say it's setting six four. I 842 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: think he's probably gonna come in lower low six threes. 843 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: That's what it looks like, eyeballing on tape, you know, 844 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pounds, maybe two hundred and thirty 845 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: five to two hundred and forty pounds, built almost more like 846 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: an h than like a true end ground handing the ground. 847 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: Why tight end but as a player reminds me of Kittle, 848 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: just because how strong he is, how fast he is. 849 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: He's a little even a little bit faster than George 850 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 1: who ran really well. He's ultra competitive as a blocker. 851 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: A lot of it's from you know, he's detached and 852 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: he's kind of comboing up to linebackers. You just see 853 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: him get out in space and get after guys. He's 854 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: not going to be you know, I think some of 855 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: the knocker, the concern is going to be okay as 856 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: an in line why tight end and the run game. 857 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: Is he just big enough long enough to be able 858 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: to domin eight in that area. Maybe not, but he'll compete. 859 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: And to me, you're gonna want to him detached anyways. 860 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: And then what he does after the catch is what 861 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: makes him special. They put him in the backfield buck, 862 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: they give him tight end sweeps, they'll split him out wide, 863 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: give him you know, jet sweeps, you name it. They 864 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: just get the ball in his hands and that's when 865 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: the fun starts. 866 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 3: It's not fair. It's not fair for someone to have 867 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 3: all those tools. The thing that he comes from where 868 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 3: out here goes to Georgia falls into like a starting position. 869 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 3: You look at that tight end room that they had, Man, 870 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 3: how they could hit you with so many different types 871 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 3: of playmakers at the position. Man, he he's that guy 872 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 3: and DJA you think about like what he can do. 873 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 3: He kind of reminds me of you remember how you 874 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 3: used to perceive Jeremy Shockey when he came out of 875 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 3: Miami and how Shocky was. Look he was an in 876 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 3: line tight end, but really, man, he was kind of 877 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 3: like the HVAC type, could get down the scenes, was 878 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: explosive and dynamic, and his first couple of years in 879 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 3: New York he was tearing it up. I can see 880 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 3: Bowers do a lot of those same things. 881 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna pull it up right now, 882 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: just because i was shocking, like six five tallest Jeremy Shocky, 883 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: Jeremy Shacky. Let's pull this up here. Uh he's listed 884 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 1: at six Wikipedia has them at six to five bucks. Yeah, 885 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: so maybe maybe maybe six ' four and change a 886 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: little bit taller. But this guy has some of that 887 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: same type of edge to him, you know, Shocky when 888 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: the ball was in his hands, like kind of that 889 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: refused to go down, refuse to be tackled. Yeah, he's 890 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: got that, this dude. I mean he might he can 891 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: run low for four, he can he can roll. He 892 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: looks like the fastest guy in the field out there. 893 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 2: He's a playmaker. Man, he's so good man. 894 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 3: And you just think about these positions and the tight 895 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 3: ends and just the way the game is changing, and 896 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 3: how these guys can run routes like wide receivers but 897 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 3: still has the ability to block like an offensive tackle. 898 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 3: Such a freaky uh position, and we're seeing so many 899 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 3: of these different body types begin to emerge and have 900 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 3: success immediately in the new. 901 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. All right, well, this has been a 902 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: fun episode. I do want to tell you, uh, I 903 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: cannot remember the gentleman's name, but somebody when I got 904 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: off the ship and Catch a Can Alaska said DJ 905 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: and I came over and say, yeah, how's it going. 906 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: I tell Buck, I said, what's up man? I love 907 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: listening to the podcast or whatever. So we've got some 908 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: podcast listeners that are out and about traveling. We're everywhere, man, 909 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: So we got a fan. You got a Bucky Brooks 910 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: fan and Catch a Can Alaska. 911 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: No, that's fine, man. It's always fun like when you're 912 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 2: out and about. 913 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: I was in Chicago a week and ago and people 914 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 3: coming up talking about the podcast and those things. Those 915 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 3: things always kind of getch me because I always think 916 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 3: podcasts audio, but then the video and I think. 917 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: The reason why it works though, is because we've never 918 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: tried to do anything that was for clicks or downloads 919 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: or shock jock. We look at our pod as just 920 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: me and you buddies who have a connection through football, 921 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: just chopping it up. And there's a lot of people 922 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: out there, as we've learned over the years, that enjoy that. 923 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, take all the other nonsense and all the 924 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: all that fluff and hot takery, that's not us, man, 925 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: But people feel like they know us and they feel 926 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: like they're friends in it, and we feel the same 927 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: way because it is just it's a fun It's a 928 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: fun place for us to chop it up, talk football, 929 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: what's going on, and what we expect to happen. So 930 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: it's why I love this so much. We're coming up 931 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: on a thousand episodes, Buck. I think this is episode 932 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: nine seventy. 933 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 3: It's so crazy, man, it's so crazy. We talked about 934 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 3: like almost ten years in the game. It's banana's to 935 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 3: think about. Yeah, that's pretty well. We'll celebrate one K 936 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 3: when we get there. Shout out to the Bill for 937 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 3: holding everything down. Appreciate Marcus stepping in for me while 938 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 3: I was out last week we are getting ready to 939 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 3: get training camp fully cranked up. We'll be out in 940 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 3: the road, but we'll have you covered here with all 941 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 3: our pods. As we get towards the season, we'll get 942 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 3: back into doing three a week as well, so be 943 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 3: on the lookout for that. In the meantime, we appreciate you. 944 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time. 945 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: Right here on, move the sticks.