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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. UM gotta let me on. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball, all hoops, all the time. Sometimes leap that

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Speaker 1: first into other stuff with great guests. Um, all right,

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Speaker 1: this is part three of our talk with Josh Pastor

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Speaker 1: and UM, let me let me do this. There is

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Speaker 1: another pod or which we dropped a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: where me and fran Fichella we talked about got a

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Speaker 1: real quick thought though on these reviews. Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: my thought. Look, you're not gonna do away with the reviews.

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Speaker 1: You do need to put a clock on them, but

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Speaker 1: that wasn't called, that wasn't earned. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: to Part three. We've heard from Josh Pastor if you

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Speaker 1: three of our discussion with Josh Pastor. Take a listen, yea,

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Speaker 1: what is it like to go through what you went

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Speaker 1: Like what forget about the job stuff, forget about any

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Speaker 1: of the other stuff at home with your wife, you personally, emotionally,

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Speaker 1: what is that experience like for you? Yeah, you know, Doug, Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a just in general, I'm I'm a guy that

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Speaker 1: I believe in positivity. Um, you know, I live by

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Speaker 1: I I don't take it for granted. There's not a

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Speaker 1: You're you're you have a sense of like you know,

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Speaker 1: so you're painting the picture perfectly, kind of marrying our

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Speaker 1: two podcasts. Right, So it's eight am. Do you remember

428
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Speaker 1: what high school? What Jim time? Yeah, it was, it

429
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Speaker 1: was that it was at Durrang, It was at Gorman, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and um um and I remember and um I was

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Speaker 1: there and it was eight am. There's not a lot

432
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Speaker 1: of people in the in and they didn't feel like playing,

433
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: but other than one guy, and that was Josie Alvarado,

434
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Speaker 1: And Josie Alvarado got into these guys in his own

435
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Speaker 1: teammates face because they weren't playing hard. They weren't and

436
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Speaker 1: I and I mean, and it didn't matter. He wanted

437
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: to win so bad, like so bad, it didn't matter

438
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: because along winning matter to him more than breathing literally,

439
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: And I saw that, I was like, I have to

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00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: have this kid, because you know why. I in my

441
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: mind and my vision, I said, when we line up

442
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Speaker 1: for the national anthem and We're playing Duke North Carolina Sarracuseta,

443
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: and they have all these McDonald's, all Americans and the

444
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: best players in the country. And you're done with warm

445
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: ups and the sweats coming down. Jose Alvarado is gonna

446
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: look across the line there on the other side of

447
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: the free throw line and be like, man, I'm going

448
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: right for your juggler, Vein, I'm going right at you.

449
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't care about your accuate. I'm gonna

450
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: play with such an edge and a chip. There was

451
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: no fear with him. He had. He wanted to go

452
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: compete against those guys and didn't care about the name

453
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: on their jersey or anything, or the name on the

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00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: back of the jersey of the opponent. He was going

455
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: right at him. And I said, I've got to have

456
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Speaker 1: that guy. And in order for us to be successful

457
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech, we need I needed some guys with

458
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: some chips and edges on their shoulders. And Jose set

459
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Speaker 1: the tone for us on that um you know and

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Speaker 1: um and and he's been an incredible guard during this

461
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Speaker 1: time here. He I said that, and let me just

462
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Speaker 1: say this, the year before when he got there, my

463
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Speaker 1: first year, like I had a great guard. His dad's

464
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Speaker 1: a head coach um now at Eastern Michigan, Josh heath stand.

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Speaker 1: He says, Dad, he was a hard nose playing got

466
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Speaker 1: Quentin Stevens. I had this kid who would not This

467
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Speaker 1: is a this is an incredible story, honest to God,

468
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Speaker 1: true story. I'll go back to Jose. Let me just

469
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Speaker 1: say this story. I know we're running, but so i'm

470
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Speaker 1: we're have we have the pro These the guys the

471
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Speaker 1: programs in Okay, it's called the Program. They're they're military guys.

472
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Speaker 1: They come in and it's a it's you know, they

473
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Speaker 1: put something. It's like a thirty six hour deal. They

474
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Speaker 1: put you through some things. It's kind of team building.

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Speaker 1: And Quentin Stevens, you know, this was the greatest thing

476
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Speaker 1: that happened to Quentin Stevens. And he'll tell you. So

477
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Speaker 1: we're there and people always say Quentin's you know, it

478
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: wasn't real tough and just you know, it wasn't a tough,

479
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: hard nosed player and this and that. So we're in

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Speaker 1: this preseason thing in September at the program and these

481
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Speaker 1: two his neatness is his Navy seal in this marine.

482
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Speaker 1: They're they're going to put us through the things, said,

483
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Speaker 1: can anyone not go through the um the training? Quentin

484
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: Stevens raises his hands and I'm like, man, they all

485
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: told me when I got the driver, this guy has

486
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Speaker 1: got a lot of know it's not tough and you know,

487
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Speaker 1: once you get out of things. He raised his hand,

488
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Speaker 1: he's and so he stands up and Quentin's a phenomenal

489
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Speaker 1: young man and he says, yeah, my big toes bothering me.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, and what he did,

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Speaker 1: he had a big toe deal. You know, big toes

492
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Speaker 1: bothering him. And so the marine and the seals, okay,

493
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Speaker 1: they weren't gonna make him do anything. I could see

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Speaker 1: that kind of like I could see the marine the

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Speaker 1: guy was like, you know, I mean this guy, this

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Speaker 1: marine guy was like he was he had getting like

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Speaker 1: he he he was telling stories where he like he

498
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Speaker 1: enjoyed like wrestling with like lions and tiger. He was

499
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Speaker 1: doing like it was just you know, it was great

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Speaker 1: and so like he did things like that on his

501
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Speaker 1: spare time, like he want to go, and like, so

502
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Speaker 1: we're walking out, I'm walking with Quinton the guy and

503
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Speaker 1: he grabs Quintin says, hey, let me just tell you something, dude.

504
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Speaker 1: I just gotta tell you this, because I was on

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Speaker 1: the battlefield and I had a teammate who got his

506
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Speaker 1: who got snipered and his entire leg got blown off.

507
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Speaker 1: And the guy is laying there his legs blown off,

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Speaker 1: and his legs like you know, you know, ten fifteen

509
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Speaker 1: feet away from his body. He's getting shot at while

510
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Speaker 1: he's bleeding out. He he scrambles to his gun without

511
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Speaker 1: a leg and he starts pick him his gun and

512
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Speaker 1: shooting back at the people to to to to help

513
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Speaker 1: his teammates, to give them cover. He was. And so

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Speaker 1: the marine turns and don't you ever tell me that

515
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: your big toes bothering you and you can't perform um?

516
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, And the guy's eyes were like you should

517
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Speaker 1: have seen his eyes. He was so locked in when

518
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: he was telling Quintin this. I'm just telling you this.

519
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: Quentin like looked at him. He performed the entire thing.

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00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Quentin Stephens became. He he was. He was the fifth

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Speaker 1: the best fifty fifty ball and and defensive rebounder for

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Speaker 1: in the A c C that year. He played so

523
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Speaker 1: hard every pos you've ever seen those players or Dennis

524
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: Rodman like lanes out that that was Quentin. He gave

525
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: his body like you wouldn't believe. He had more toughness

526
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Speaker 1: of rebounds, getting hit dot flipping in the air to

527
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Speaker 1: get balls. And it was all because of what that

528
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Speaker 1: marine told him. It changed his mindset. And I was

529
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Speaker 1: so proud of Quinn. He helped us win so many games.

530
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Speaker 1: But because because of that, that instant changed his his

531
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: trajectory of his career, and so he was. But I

532
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: say that going back to Jose Alvarado, and I'm so

533
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: proud of when I love he's such an incredible but

534
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: he won us so many games because of how hard

535
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: he played. But and a guy's like Josh Heath the

536
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: same way, Corey, I just kid coming off the bench,

537
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: Corey Hayward Man, this kid played so hard, so hard

538
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: it was incredible. And Josh Akoge is a hard playing guy.

539
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: You know, he his his Twitter handles NonStop, you know which,

540
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: he is a high motor. But Jose Alvarado I sail

541
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Speaker 1: that to say, I believe Jose Alvarado is the greatest

542
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Speaker 1: fifty fifty ball guy in Georgia, tech and U and

543
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: here and and then's the reason he's the two time

544
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: all time back to back years led him and led

545
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: the a SEC and steels. The only the player ever

546
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: do that was Chris paul a SEC Defensive Player of

547
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: the Year. The guy was tough as nails and worked.

548
00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: Aren't Again I understand here in the bottom line business, Okay, right,

549
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I understand, like you're a nice human being and you

550
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: treat people well, and you're having an amazing life because

551
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: of those things, and and and you're judge based on

552
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: wins and losses. But you talk about a kid who

553
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: had reputations being a little soft and he becomes this

554
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: incredible teammate and hard playing dude, Like, isn't that kind

555
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: of what it's all about? Like didn't that Like that's

556
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: like that's really what what the what the job is

557
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And again I under and and generally

558
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: if those guys change from boys to men, if they do,

559
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna win more games because of it. But like,

560
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: isn't that the core of what you're doing, right is

561
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: teaching stuffing because that those lessons, Like that's why I think.

562
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's there's medical sales people that

563
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: they love to hire athletes because most athletes, like you're

564
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: not gonna be good unless you get up and work

565
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: out on days you don't want to work out, right,

566
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: unless you've dealt with the that you gotta get up

567
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: and get in practice. No, it's gonna suck because you

568
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: guys just lost the game you should have won. Like,

569
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: those are the things that help you for the rest

570
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: of your life. And I would, I do think that

571
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: we sometimes get lost in what is this actually all about?

572
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. Well, and that's where you're you're

573
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: you know the the mission of the n C two A. Yes,

574
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: do you got you want to win? Who doesn't want

575
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: to win? That's what's great about sports. It's the best

576
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: reality of the best reality TV show because you don't

577
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: know the outcome. It's what makes the n C Double

578
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: A tournament great, what makes just college athletics great. Um,

579
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: But that's what's the mission of the n C two A.

580
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: That's the mission of of college, of high school, whatever

581
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: it may be. The mission is to help the the

582
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Speaker 1: the young person and to help the student. Yes, as coaches,

583
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: we all get paid a lot of money. We do

584
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: have responsibilities to to to have success on the court

585
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: because that helps everything. Um. But but as a coach,

586
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: One of the great satisfactions is is when you go

587
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: to graduation and you see the guys walk across the

588
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Speaker 1: straight age and graduate and knowing that you know, um,

589
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, four years because like like Georgia Tech, they

590
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: ain't no hiding majors in Georgia Tech, No no question

591
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: and and and so and and and um you know.

592
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: And when I was like, I was having like like

593
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: at Memphis and and I feel like you might have

594
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: this feeling that why you feel so close to Eddie

595
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: coach Sutton, um, you know, and and just because you know,

596
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: like when I was at MEMPS, I had some guys

597
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: who maybe had you know, had like a second chance,

598
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: and they had an opportunity where where where they they

599
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, they had some struggles early and I could see,

600
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: man that the time, you know, I invested to see

601
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: these guys change their life. Yes, I wanted to win

602
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: and help them basketball, but through basketball gave me such

603
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: satisfaction see them to to to understand about discipline and

604
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: opportunities to really change their life. Or maybe they had

605
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: a previous mistake or they had some tough issues prior

606
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: to and then you see them change their life and

607
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: then become you know married and have you know, kids

608
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: are working and doing great things and and because of basketball,

609
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: maybe because of a coach or because of environment allowed

610
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: him to change and change their trajectory of their life.

611
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: And and Darryl Darryl Walker, Darryl Walker tells anybody who

612
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: listen that he would end up on the street dead

613
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: if not for coach set in Arkansas like you, he

614
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: would have And um, you know, I just that that's

615
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: what in many ways we we get lost in the

616
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: so many things that don't matter. And what does matter

617
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Speaker 1: is that having and that's where the power. That's where

618
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: the power of a coach can come in. And how

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00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: and and and and and when you really look at it,

620
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: because you know, look but see I think and again

621
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Speaker 1: I understand that Like if you say, I don't like

622
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: the transfer portal and all these things as a coach,

623
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: and you've got to take kind of you gotta do

624
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: it right. But I think the transfer thing hurts it,

625
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: Like I just the ability to go and and not

626
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: have to sit out like Okay, why didn't you play him? Well,

627
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't play him because he didn't practice herd.

628
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: He just didn't or he wasn't doing what he was

629
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: all these little things I wanted him to do he

630
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: didn't do, and so I can't reward him with playing time,

631
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: and what happens. I'm trying to coach the kid. He

632
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: can't coach him if there's no punishment for leaving. And

633
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: people you hear the word punishment and you're like, wow,

634
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: that's just unfair. You're you're doing like, no, that's there's

635
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: a there's a process then, right, and if you trust

636
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: the person in the process and trust that by year

637
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: three and four they'll be a grown up and they

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00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: come in and I just I think we're ruining that

639
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: with with some of the recent policies which are so

640
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: in favor of the player that it takes away the

641
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: ability for the coach to actually do his job. Yeah

642
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, um, well look, I mean the recording a

643
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: transfer portal doug um um. You know that that that

644
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: has you because lot of people ask me about it.

645
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: You know that train has left the station is not

646
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: going back, no question, it's it's so so you're gonna

647
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: have to adapt to that, just like you're gonna have

648
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: to adapt to the n I L name image likeness.

649
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: The college athletics has changed and it will continue to change,

650
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: and we'll see how the n i L changes things.

651
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Will see how you know, the transfer portal has changed

652
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: things obviously, and Doug your you know, you can't complain

653
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: about it or be upset. You're you're you have to

654
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: be flexible. You've got to be able to adapt. You've

655
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: got to be willing to change, because if not, you'll

656
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: get left behind because those things have Like the train

657
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: is left the station, whether people agree or disagree with it,

658
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: it's not going backwards. Right, Um, what was it like?

659
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: Like you take the Georgia Tech job and I think

660
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: that many people is like he just had to take

661
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: a job because he because because the Memphis job at

662
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: Gonsdale right to go from that place? Will you take

663
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: a job if you're like, hey, george Tech has got

664
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: great history, but you ain't when there you know you

665
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: got it? Ain't it ain't just the old days that

666
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: you got Duke from Caroline. You got Duke, you got Caroline,

667
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: Virginia just wont to ask the championship Syracuse Louisville, right,

668
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: like real unbelievable, unbelievable. I don't even get into the

669
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: other Florida state right to go from taking the job

670
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: winning thirteen games in year two to winning the a

671
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: c C. What is that feeling like? Yeah, no, it

672
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: was an incredible First of all, again, all you know,

673
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: it's just three things. One, thank god I had great bosses,

674
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: you know who one gave me an opportunity and also

675
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: stuck by me. Um, So you know, a mix of

676
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: of of of at the time, you know, um um

677
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: to get hired, and then and then to be able

678
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: to continue to to see that, just to see it

679
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: all the way through to I've had great assistant coaches

680
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: and great staffs, that's what you interesting. And then three

681
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: and most importantly, and you can't do it. I'm is

682
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: We've had great um young men, and and I've been

683
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: very fortunate on that. But Doug um, Yeah, to win

684
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: the a c C. And and and you look back

685
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: because you know when I took over Memphis, I took

686
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: it over. I've seen it from both spectrums. I mean

687
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot. I've been through a lot. And

688
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: um see something where you're taking over at the very

689
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: highest of high levels and then you're taking something over

690
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: where you're you're kind of starting from the ground zero

691
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: to build it up. I've seen it from both directions.

692
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: But to say you've you've done it both ways, you've

693
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: been successful. You know, we've had good success in both ways,

694
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: and then to uh to too in the end to

695
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: win the a c C Championship. Um, it's it's beyond

696
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: to to you know. You as time has evolved going

697
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: into this summer, you look back and say, man, that's

698
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: just an amazing accomplishment in this league. And because I remember,

699
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: and I got a little flak for this, and and

700
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: I understand looking back, why why I could get flat

701
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: After my first year we finished eleven and we had one,

702
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: we were eight and or we were nine and eleven

703
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: in the league. Excuse me, eight and ten in the league.

704
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, I mean eight wins in

705
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: this league. And I was like, I don't know if

706
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: we'll get the eight wins again, I don't know if

707
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: we'll get I mean we might not be we might

708
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: not get you know, hard is to get to eight.

709
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: And I would say we should have to get eight

710
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: wins in this league. And then I remember and some

711
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: people saying, well, how could you say? I was like, yeah,

712
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't have said that, but I was. I

713
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: said it because I knew how hard. It was to

714
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: get eight wins and then to go back and and

715
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: and the back to back years here to finish you know,

716
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: uh in the top five in both years, and and

717
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: to have the wins. You know, it was it was

718
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: the first time in over thirty years for Georgia Tech

719
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: to have back to back winning records in a CEC play.

720
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: I mean it's been a long time back. I mean

721
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: this year we set the record for the most consecutive

722
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: a CC home wins UM, first time in the history

723
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: to have back to back double digit a c C

724
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: wins or yeah, over five hundred UM. And so we've

725
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: had We've had a lot, you know, obviously over a decade,

726
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: get back to the tournament over you know, twenty years,

727
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: twenty three years, you know, to win a UM for

728
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: twenty eight years, to win the SEC TUCH Championship. So um,

729
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, there's just there's been a lot of great things,

730
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: and you know, the the challenge can you try to

731
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: sustain that because this is the monster and it's what's

732
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: so what's that that's the next question. Yeah, what's realistic? Right?

733
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: Because you lose, you do not only lose two times

734
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: Deals Leader, Defense Player of the Year, but he's befour

735
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: years starting a point guard and when Georgie Tech has

736
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: been great and this is why I almost went there

737
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: point guard you I mean, unbelievable of point guards. But

738
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: like this is a hard landscape. Now. The good thing

739
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: is coach k last year at Duke right North Carolina

740
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: will see whether there's turn over there, you know, the league.

741
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some there, some changing, some evolution of

742
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: some of these programs. There's youn me some change, like

743
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: for John's hire, like you think filing John Caliberias at Memphis,

744
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Like that's to try and following Mike she yees can't do?

745
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: Good luck bud um So okay. With with that in mind,

746
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: what is the plan in terms of sustainability and and

747
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 1: the realistic kind of plan in terms of sustainability? You know, um, look,

748
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: you want to you want to sustain and keep it

749
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: at the highest of high levels that you can and

750
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: and and and let me just say this, there's multiple

751
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: blue bloods. That's what makes this leak so amazing. Makes

752
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: blue blood you know, I Carolina, Louisville, Syracuse. I consider

753
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: Virginia blue blood. You know when you think about it,

754
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: from what Tony Bennett has done. I mean it's it's

755
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: off the charts. What what what? What Florida State has done?

756
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: What Leonard Hamilton has done? I know they you know,

757
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean over the last decade, look at

758
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: his success, you know. I mean I could go on on.

759
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, heck, Mike Gray is the winning is coaching

760
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: his story of Notre Dame, um um. You know, look

761
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: Jim larinege at Miami, I mean, you know, think about it.

762
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't have to tell me in the league.

763
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: So I don't know what plan now, what's the realistic?

764
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: I could go on about multiple more coaches in this league,

765
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: like you sound like Dick oh a brain and well, no,

766
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: the coaches in this like I get it. The coaches

767
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: in this league are all all coaches. But so with

768
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: all the coaches in this league are amazing and and

769
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: but I will say the reality moving forward of really,

770
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you want to compete and challenge

771
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: for the you know, for the a c C regular

772
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: season and tournament championships. That's what you want to do.

773
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: But we're all striving for that. Does it happen? I

774
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: mean that's gonna be the you know that We're we're

775
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna do all we can to try to continue into

776
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: that into that ap new But I know it's not easy.

777
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: I know how hard it is and the challenge it is.

778
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: But we're up for the challenge. We'll see if we

779
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: can continue to moving forward. I believe we can. But

780
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to get it done on the floor,

781
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, Doug, you gotta get a little lucky. You

782
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: gotta you knock on what. You gotta stay healthy. You

783
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: gotta continue to recruit well and continue to develop, and

784
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to. You know, it's a it's

785
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: a it's a maker miss game. It's a fine line.

786
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: You gotta put the ball in the basket. Yeah, Yeah,

787
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: I know what I mean. It's it's gonna be. It's

788
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: giving incredible. Um, you win the a SEC. You've done

789
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: this incredible job at Georgia Tech. But it didn't feel

790
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: like you got a shot at Arizona. And like, I'm

791
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: that kind of saw it coming because of the other stuff, right,

792
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, that had to be your dream job.

793
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: And it's not like you have im proven yourself, like

794
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: you win thirty games in Memphis, you in the a

795
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: SEC at Georgia Tech. Okay, and again, please please mind

796
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: anybody a Georgie Tech. I wanted to go to jo Detech,

797
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: like we could do a pod on what happened with

798
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech when I transferred out out of Notre Dame.

799
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: So I love and respect your Tech and think it's

800
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: an amazing place. But to win the A c C

801
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: is an amazing accomplishment. Amazing, But to not really get

802
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: deep into the Arizona job, how do you how do

803
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: you process that one emotionally? Well, let me just say this, Um,

804
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love my time at Arizona You

805
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: kidding me? I mean I was there for thirteen years

806
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: as a player, staff member, assistant coach par a team

807
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: that won the national championship. Some of my best friends

808
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: are my teammates and I and they. I mean I

809
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: loved I love Tucson. I loved everything about it. I mean,

810
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: you know you're I could listen you guys. You don't

811
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: have to go on. Just okay, so so I but

812
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: but no, But I say all that to say that

813
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: I've been I haven't been there in a long time.

814
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: And so we finished. Let me think, So, okay, I understand,

815
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: but but let me just say this, but I draw

816
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: them up. I understand and and and I love Arizona

817
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: and I always have it, you know. But at the

818
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: but I also have a you know there was as

819
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: time as evolved, I just kept it like I recognize, man,

820
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm at Georgia Tech. I'm I'm I'm in a great position.

821
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm in the a c C. Let me let me

822
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: finish your an emotional human being, and truth be told,

823
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: you're a very normal human being, right, you have positivity.

824
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: But when you're like, oh, I gotta do here, you

825
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And it's and and look, I

826
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: I wish nothing but success for tom. Tommy has been

827
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: good to me. But you hired a guy with no

828
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: Arizona ties, never called a time out before, and you

829
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: had a guy who went there, played there one last

830
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: champiship coach there just in the A c C. And

831
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: like that has to on some level like piss y'af

832
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: like disappointed, like you had to there. There has to

833
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: be something other than I haven't been there a long

834
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: time and it's changed a lot. I know. I Look,

835
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: I haven't lived in Oklahoma in twenty years or whatever. Okay,

836
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: and Mike has been incredible to me, incredible. Hey, and

837
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: I interviewed there and they give it to him and

838
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, that one that hurts, right, it hurts,

839
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: and he's been great, like I have no It was like,

840
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I think I want my boyten to succeed, just like

841
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: you want Tommy to succeed. Right, Nobody wants to mon

842
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: to be shitty. Nobody. You want your own mother to

843
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: be good. So they go like, hey, you're good. Now. Wait,

844
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: remember back we won the national championship. But how do

845
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: you how do you deal with with that emotionally and

846
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: mentally that you didn't get what anybody would consider a

847
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: fair shape. Well, let me just say this first of all,

848
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: and um one is you look at the Arizona Uh,

849
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: former players like and and and and and I've known

850
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: Tommy Lloyd for a long time. He's at you know,

851
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna do a great job at Arizona. He did

852
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: an incredible job with Mark Few Gonzaga. Um Uh, he's

853
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: gonna have tremendous success. Um. You know, Jack Murphy Stick

854
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: is there with him, Jason Terry's with him. He's going

855
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: to be extremely successful there. Um. So you know that's

856
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: just part of the job people. You know, when you

857
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: when presidents and a d S higher, they have someone

858
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: and that's just part of the profession. And Tommy Lloyd's

859
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: gonna be great. But I'd also say take me out

860
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: of it, like I as an Arizona guy, but no,

861
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: it has an Arizona guy. Like I'm just saying that.

862
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I know that. You know, Look, you had Steve Kerr,

863
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: who's you know, gonna be in the Hall of Fame

864
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: for coaching. You got Luke Walton, one of the you

865
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: know best coaches, Damon Stodomeyer, you know who's you know.

866
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: So I wasn't thinking me during that time. Yes, I know,

867
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: I've had some success both at Memphis and Georgia Tech

868
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: Um and so I again keeping things in in perspective, Doug,

869
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean so so I I always I felt all

870
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: along that um that it was probably gonna be a

871
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: guy like Damon or Luke Walton. And I obviously Luke

872
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: and Steve kerb probably didn't want to come back to college.

873
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: But obviously what Damon's done at Pacific. But that's just

874
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: part of the that's part of college athletics. A president

875
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: and an athletic director, you know, they're gonna you know,

876
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: they might feel comfortable so and they might have a

877
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: vision with someone else. That's just part of it. That's

878
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: how things work. Listen. I could say the same thing

879
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: about when I got the job at Memphis, or even

880
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: got the job at Georgia Tech. People could be saying

881
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: those are part of it. I get it, um and

882
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: um and and and and so. In that whole time,

883
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. But I also had a

884
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: perspective that I'm in the A c. C. And that

885
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. I love atlant I'm in a great spot.

886
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: And the whole time I was really thinking, you know, again,

887
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: like I said, whether they hired Tommy Lawyer, and I

888
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: was thinking, maybe, you know, Damon Stole to Myron Man,

889
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: he's been so good at Pacific, or obviously Steve Kurrent,

890
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: Luke Walton probably weren't gonna leave the NBA. But David

891
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: Stottmeyer has done a great job. But but Tommy Lloyd

892
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: is gonna do a great job. I mean, I've known

893
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: tom he's been I mean, look at Gonzagua. You can't

894
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: you can't deny their success. They've been extremely successful and

895
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: and and part of that reason they've been that successful

896
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: because of Tommy Lloyd. Okay, two more and I gotta go,

897
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: I gotta go to okay um first one is recruiting

898
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: the super elite guys right the now. It's one of

899
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: the things Jay Wright used to talk about this all

900
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: the time, back when the first time I went to

901
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: the phone four they had the number one recruiting class

902
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: and then they were bad, and then he said, they

903
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: come up with this. Okay, G's right, are kind of guys.

904
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: You gotta recruit your kind of guys. Now, you've had

905
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: success at Georgia Tech and you're in Atlanta where there's dudes. Plus,

906
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: George Teck is always recruited New York City. Well, Jose

907
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: is from New York City. You have connections everywhere. How

908
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: do you manage that? With success, you can get into

909
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: homes that you couldn't get into previously. Yet you might

910
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: recruit you might not like Josh is the kind of

911
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: guy that Georgia Tech has to get in order to

912
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: be sustained success. Right, a little under the radar, academic

913
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: minded and comes in and just becomes a great player. Right.

914
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that you can't take a higher level, But

915
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: how do you balance out the do I go after

916
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: the top fifty, top kids that have to play right away,

917
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: and it's harder to win with them right away versus

918
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: the guys that are more your kind of guys that

919
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: you've been successful with at Georgia Tech. Well, look, Doug,

920
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: I think it's part of it is UM. You know. I,

921
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: as we talked about previously, a lot of it's evaluation.

922
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: You gotta do a great job evaluating UM, and then

923
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: you gotta do at Georgia Tech. You gotta do a

924
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: great job of player development. UM. That's important to us.

925
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time on that and and

926
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: guys better because they're probably not going to get the

927
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: guy that's instantly ready to to go right to the NBA.

928
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: So I think you've got to do it. You've got

929
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: to really And I've heard coaches speak about this when

930
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: they've had success, they may be tried to go in

931
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: a different direction than what's got them successful and it's

932
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: ended up backfiring on them. So I think we've got

933
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: to stay to who we are, and we understand who

934
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: we are at Georgia Tech. UM, I you know, with

935
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: what makes us as as our athletic director likes to

936
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: say kind of the secret sauce of of what makes

937
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: us UM, what makes Georgia Tech special. And we've got

938
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: to continue staying in that UM, in that realm and

939
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: UM and we've got to continue doing that and uh

940
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: and so keeping keeping discipline, keeping focus. Look, we all

941
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: want to get the best players we can get. Who

942
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: doesn't UM, But it's finding the right fit. And I

943
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: think just because you're having success, yes, more doors open

944
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: for you for for student athletes, but that doesn't mean

945
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: it's the right fit for the program or were the

946
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: right fit for them, vice versa. So I think staying disciplined.

947
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: And you've heard many programs when they've had great success,

948
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: they've gone away from what's made them successful and it's

949
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: end up backfiring on them. So I think us staying

950
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: the course on who we are and what we're about

951
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: and what's important to me and us as a staff

952
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: in a program, we gotta stay in that, in that

953
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: in that, in that direction. The face mask, who who's

954
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: who is your wife? Who gave you the face mask? Well,

955
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: the face shield. What happened was was I was struggling

956
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: coaching with the face with the with the mask, because

957
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: you just took it on and off all the time,

958
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: and I felt like when I was yelling, you know,

959
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: I was yelling at the guys through the face mask

960
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: when they understanding, they couldn't understand me. They couldn't see

961
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: my facial expressions. And then three, I felt like I

962
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: was suffocating, you know. And so it was just so

963
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: I said, I can't it's hard for me to coach

964
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: and this, so I had to use the face shield.

965
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was, you know, and you

966
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: didn't feel like you're a suffocating because they're you know, two,

967
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: they could see your facial expres missions. And three, um um,

968
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: it was just you know, I wasn't touching it. How

969
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: many times would you see coaches with the mask touching

970
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: your face all the time, on and off, on and

971
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: off with the face shield. Yeah, I lifted up a

972
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: few times, but the majority of time I kept it

973
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: down and it and it was just became one of

974
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: those things. You know, people are calling me the welder

975
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: because I looked and I told people, please don't call

976
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: me the welder. It's it's totally disrespectful to the to

977
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: that profession. I can't even change a lightbulb for crying

978
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: out loud. So I felt awful for anyone that's a

979
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: true welder. People are calling me a dentist, you know,

980
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: because the dentist. Whereas that I says, please don't. I say,

981
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: these dentists go to school for eight years to become

982
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: a dentist. You know. I said, that's not fair to

983
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: the dentist. I said, you know, I said, I feel

984
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: awful for the dentists that they're they're comparing me to

985
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: a dentist. So I was being called all kinds of

986
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: different names. But I like the face shield. It was

987
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: it was simple, it was easy and um and if

988
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: we have to wear mask again next year, I'll wear

989
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: the face shield again. I don't foresee us having to

990
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: do that, but if we were, if we were mandated

991
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: to do so, I'd be wearing the face shield again.

992
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: And you've gotten a haircut between part one and part two,

993
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: by the way, I did I have gotten during the season.

994
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: I've gotten zero haircut because I was just trying to

995
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to have any issue where

996
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: it could have got possibly contracted COVID, so I really,

997
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: you know. And then and then after seeing I got

998
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: a haircut which was in March and I just got

999
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: a haircut just recently, so it's been about a three

1000
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: month window, three to four months I can go and

1001
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: I didn't get a little while, but I had to

1002
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: get a haircut. It was you had that you had

1003
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: the jufro going like, yeah, it was, it was, it was,

1004
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was Jonah Jonah Hill level.

1005
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: It was getting wild. There was no doubt about it. Um. Okay,

1006
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: So this was actually the last question. One thing that

1007
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: you had to do or you did during the pandemic

1008
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: did during COVID with all these protocols, are you like,

1009
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'm gonna do this even

1010
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: when the world opens back up, the restrictions are going away,

1011
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: God willing will be out of it. But there are

1012
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: some like working at work from home a bunch these

1013
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: things for you. One thing that you you did during

1014
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: COVID that you're going to try and continue to do that. Um,

1015
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: what is the what was the expression? It's necessity is

1016
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: the mother of all invention. That necessity became the invention.

1017
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: I can just you know, there's three things just top

1018
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: off my head. Number one is, you know I used

1019
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: to be a big meeting guy to to make sure

1020
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: that we met as a staff to be organized. So

1021
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: we need to all be in the office to meet.

1022
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: What time did you used to always meet? I mean

1023
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: weally met, right, you know, maybe be about like noon

1024
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: or you know, like a let's gave us time in

1025
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: the morning to watch the previous day's practice or the

1026
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of get our thoughts together and

1027
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: do it. So we're about eleven thirty noon, we would

1028
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: meet and then and just to kind of be organized

1029
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: going into the day of practice. You know. But but

1030
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: you know from this we've met a lot through Zoom

1031
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: or Microsoft team, like we don't have with meetings now,

1032
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: like hey, let's just get on a team's call, Like

1033
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: we don't have to all be in the office to

1034
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: meet so we can get accomplished. That's one. Two. We

1035
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: don't need to be in the film room, um, to

1036
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: all close together to watch film. We did film all

1037
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: year long on our in the in the gym and

1038
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: are and sitting in the stands, spread out with a bit.

1039
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: We just rolled in a big TV and we just

1040
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: had space to me. I think we'll just continue to

1041
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: do that. I like that better, you know, I mean

1042
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: instead of being all you know, uh, right next to

1043
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: each other in a smaller film room. And three. Um,

1044
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: I hope we continue this. I don't see and nothing

1045
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: against sportsmanship because I think sportsmanship is so important. But

1046
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, I think we should keep fist bumping or

1047
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: elbow bumping before the games. Um, and even after the games?

1048
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: Is there necessary to continue to shake hand? You know,

1049
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: I know that we're going against each other, tell me,

1050
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: tell me why? But because I yes, we all talked

1051
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: about COVID, but let's talk about colds and flues and

1052
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: strep through oats and sore throats and you know all

1053
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: kinds of other stuff that not that, not that you're

1054
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: not the some guys are anti handshake because you know

1055
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: the idea of fight happening or no, not that I

1056
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: know nothing with that. I was thinking more more germ wise. No,

1057
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: it's smart. I mean, like, look, nobody got the flue

1058
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Speaker 1: this year. Like no, I mean, I mean, I mean,

1059
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking more health and safety. And people said

1060
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: Willis Wilson. Willis Wilson comes back, and Willis Wilson, Yeah,

1061
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: what's the difference. They're saying, Well, what's the difference of

1062
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, you're banging against each other. Yeah, I get that.

1063
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: But sometimes when you're going, you know, your hand, everyone's

1064
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: shaking the hands after and then all of the stud

1065
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: hugg touching the face, you know, and then you touch

1066
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: the face and that and you and what we've all

1067
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: learned that's very true. That's how a lot of things

1068
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: get transmitted. Of Again, we're not not just COVID, but

1069
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: colds and flues and and that can maybe how to

1070
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: eliminate some of those things, and so that that those

1071
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: are some things. So I'm more cautious about that, Like

1072
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: I've looked about that, Like, um, you know, even on

1073
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: the road, we need to have everyone certain, you know,

1074
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: in a in a when we have a buffet. I

1075
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: like the fact that year we had one server wearing gloves.

1076
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: None of our players could touch the things the person

1077
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: served the food to them because that way we all

1078
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: weren't touching the handles. Um I I thought that was smart.

1079
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, how about there's a lot of things that

1080
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: I think we could learn from this to maybe continue

1081
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: to keep us healthier moving forward, to avoid little things

1082
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: that you know, because look, COVID is a big thing,

1083
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: but little things of like nobody likes to get a

1084
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: cold or sore throat or signus headache or things or that,

1085
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: because but it's it's also it goes hand in hand

1086
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: with the meetings, right, Like you're you're being smarter about

1087
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: your time, being smart about your health, like like really

1088
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: smart people look back at things and you're like, look, overall,

1089
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: it sucked, right, sucked, but you know early on you've

1090
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: got more time with your kids than you ever had before. Yeah.

1091
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: So it's it's little things, really, right, Like that's it's

1092
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: those little things and it's not any It's not different

1093
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: from learning from bad seasons or learning from good seasons,

1094
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: learning from jobs that didn't work out, being being really

1095
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: really smart about it. Um okay, this this officially becomes

1096
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: the last one. Where do you see yourself in five years? Well, Doug,

1097
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: I love my job. And I'm not just saying that.

1098
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean if you as I love what I do.

1099
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: I have tremendous enthusiasm, excitement, um, passion, um. I love

1100
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: being around people. UM. I love Georgia Tech. I I

1101
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 1: love the people I work for and to work with

1102
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: and and everyone in the athletic department. I love Atlanta.

1103
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm also a realist. I know you you know there's

1104
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: you know can you ever stay somewhere so long. I mean,

1105
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: I get all that, but for five for me, I

1106
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: hope I can continue to be a head coach as

1107
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: long as the Good Lord allows and the athletic directors

1108
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: of schools allowed me to continue to be a head coach.

1109
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: I I love, I love being I love doing what

1110
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: I do, and so I hope in five years i'm

1111
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: whether it's Georgia Tech, I hope this Georgia Tech. I

1112
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: really do that means we've had some good success or

1113
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: elsewhere that I'm still I want to continue to be

1114
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: a head coach as long as I can UM because

1115
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: I love my I hope I can be a head

1116
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: coach when I'm seventy five and I and I don't

1117
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: want to be a guy that's can. I hope I'm

1118
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: how long that is. I hope that means you've been

1119
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: a head coach in thirty one, like you be behind character,

1120
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: and I hope that's the case. I would like that

1121
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: to be the case, and I really I can. I

1122
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: love what I do and I'm forty three now, if

1123
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Speaker 1: I could get another thirty years as a head coach,

1124
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: or go to seventy five, go another thirty two years.

1125
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Speaker 1: It would be It would be really cool. I would

1126
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: have no I I really enjoy what I do. Now,

1127
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: you want to beat Coach K. Last time you playing

1128
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Speaker 1: Coach K. That would be very cool. That would be

1129
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: cool too. That would be cool. I hope that. I

1130
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: hope we can get a lot of wins this upcoming

1131
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: season or in year five. We've had a lot of

1132
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: wins going five years and now we've had a lot

1133
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: of wins and some more ACC championships too. That would

1134
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: you also would be cool too. You've been more than

1135
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: generous with your time. I really appreciate it. Hopefully I'll

1136
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: see it Peach Jam. In the meantime, have a great time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Thanks Doug, all right, my thanks

1138
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: to Josh Pastor. I thought that was as deep and

1139
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: thorough as anybody can be on the entirety of their careers.

1140
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Speaker 1: Pretty awesome stuff. Remember the Doug got Leap shows daily

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,120
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