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Speaker 1: then you're right. The UFO community has gotten pretty darn

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Speaker 1: people that are into this stuff have educated themselves a lot.

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Speaker 1: And Um, when when I do a lecture, I like

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Speaker 1: So um, that's really encouraging, I think because when I

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Speaker 1: And another example, I talked to an old friend, Jordan Maxwell,

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Speaker 1: what got you involved in this and the first place?

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? Well? I had always been interested

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Speaker 1: by William Milton Cooper, Bill Cooper, the late great Bill Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Still some of the best photographs ever taken. I think

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Speaker 1: or whether or not they're like from a Jacques Fel

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