WEBVTT - Devil Coons (with Langston Kerman and David Gborie) 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.160 I was like, Yo, all my friends say God is cool, 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.440 and I want to find out if God is cool too. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:13.080 I was a loser dog, You're I checked our mountain 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.319 to like, we gotta go to church, somebody. I gotta 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.239 figure out where this ship came from. Come on, man, 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:24.279 if something, if this, if this nectar of the Gods exists, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.800 I simply must serve at his foot. The creator who 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:58.040 made this quas are racists, money stuff, I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.520 there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.800 to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.399 podcast where we die deep, deep deep into the pockets 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.959 of black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.480 the theories that you the listener have at home. This 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.520 is This is a bit of a twist of an 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.880 episode because we're doing many episodes. Shit on on a 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:29.080 Maxi day, You know what I mean? Yeah, MAXI pats, Yeah, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.520 that's exactly what I meant. I mean, you got a 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.160 heavy flow, sis got it got its super max jumbos, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.920 which makes you feel gorgeous. You wanted to hear how 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.600 how jumbo it is, and and boided your tampons delivered. 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.200 I'm one of your host Legs and Kerman, and I'm 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.760 your other host, David Boy and it's just us two 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:03.640 and then maybe one other person ever. Yeah, something you 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.320 and you played it smooth, baby. You brought us right 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.280 into it. And that was something Olivia wanted us to mention, 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.240 is that that there will be times where it's just 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.639 David and I for episodes, and then other times we 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.200 will have more of those those wonderful guests we've had 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.600 in the past. Yeah, we nailed it. I thought that 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:26.000 was a great implement of notes. Yeah, so so suck that, Olivia. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.200 I didn't. I didn't say that. I respect you as 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:34.919 a producer, not me. Suck on it, suck on on 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.239 us effectively delivering what you what you asked for. I'm 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:44.760 excited today because I guess today's episode was originally prompted 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.520 and this is why it's a mini Maxi episode. But 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:51.480 today's episode was originally prompted by an email that I 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.480 received from one of our listeners who was very excited 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.640 loves the show. But before we get into that, I 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.560 want to say that that and maybe it's better to 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.959 just start with the email. Maybe that's how we begin, 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.800 and then I'll introduce the broader idea that sort of 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.959 came of it. But the the listener named John sent 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.880 us a message. John said, peace David and Lankston David. First, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.079 I like that. I wanted to share a conspiracy theory 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.440 I heard not from my mama, but from her childhood 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.400 friend who was later my eighth grade teacher. Since this 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.760 was at a school where the teachers were tacitly allowed 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.600 to whoop us like they were our mama's, I figured 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.920 it would count. Damn. How old is John? Yeah, John's 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.120 got to be old as funk, right, I hope. So 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.160 he's either old as fun or from Alabama, and that's 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:48.120 what I was going to. Deep South. Yeah, this feels 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.120 like in Arkansas kind of Yeah, you can hate kids. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.840 You could just hit other people's kids in Arkansas. Yeah, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.360 you can funk up a stranger's kids in Arkansas, like 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:04.800 ershop just being Yeah, he called me sir, he kept 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.920 his he kept his hat on in my Penny candy shop. 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.560 And that child had the nerve to look me in 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.680 my eyes. And I beat that out of me. You know, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:21.599 I'm not accepting that and not in nineteen seventy two. No, no, no, no, no, 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.560 I beat all these dirty kids. As in Arkansas. I 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.600 like to believe in Arkansas they still think it's nineteen 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.320 seventy two, you know, like they don't they don't have 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.920 the Internet, so they don't really know what year it is. No, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:40.360 they're getting ready for the bi centennial down there, and 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.320 what a fireworks show that's gonna be. Oh boy, Yeah, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.760 that's that's the old fireworks before the Internet. I think 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.400 fireworks were better before the Internet. Oh, tell me more 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.479 about this. I think all entertainment was better than the Internet. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.560 We weren't all blessed out, you know what. Oh, meaning 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.080 like we we've seen too much ship so now fireworks 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.400 in the field ain't enough. Yeah you've seen like a 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.960 you know, like a five way gang bang. What's fired 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.880 in the sky. Yeah, that's fair. I you. I remember 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.000 tuning into the Bomb's World. I was a big subscriber 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.520 to The Bomb's World. And maybe that dates me the 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.120 same age as John, but I remember they were like 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.920 there was an entire like sect of the Bomb's World 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:27.360 that was just dedicated to like drone footage murdering like 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:32.880 people overseas. Like it was just like constant, like sort 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.599 of like uh fucking night vision goggle footage of people 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.440 getting like gunned through, like from up above from like 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.600 planes and drones and ship and that. No, no no, 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.880 I didn't go said no no no. I liked the 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:55.120 bombs world. I minded my business as far as drone 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.880 footage goes. Now, if it was somebody getting kicked in 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.720 the dick, your boy was over, there's your that's your 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:06.080 personal drone footage. That's don't look like a victim to me. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.920 That looks all I see is a joking progress. I 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.240 don't feel nothing for nobody on the dig videos, the 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.880 drone footage. I I feel terrible. That's is that even legal? 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.360 Can you do that anymore? I can't imagine that you can, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.960 nor should you. I think all of it went real wrong. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.080 I remember when I was a kid, they used to 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:32.320 have these videos like Banded America or whatever, and it 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.640 would be like the kid we would go to the 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.279 kid whose apartment, whose parents like cared the least about him, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.719 rent for him, and then we would watch these videos 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.520 and it would be like people killing people and stuff 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:49.320 like that. Yeah, yeah, no. I I remember working at 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.440 a company that my dad got me hired for a 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.480 job on was was working as basically a spammer for 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.960 this website called digital FunTown dot com where I had 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:06.000 to like promote their they're very off color fucking animated videos. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.080 It was like adult animation, but it was just without 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.640 good writers. So it was like a big man's in 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.320 prison and he prisoned stabbed some squirrels, and the squirrels 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.120 there in jail too, and what and like that was 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.960 the whole vibe over there. And I had to spam 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.440 for them. I had to go on websites and just 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.480 send out fucking blasts trying to get people to go 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.440 to digital FunTown dot com. You're shaking your own huh? 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.640 Would that pelve? It was? It was up there. It 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.000 was pretty high at the time. I mean, can I 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.560 tell you this is gonna this is gonna blow your 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.840 fucking mind. Oh. I used to write for the bombs World. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.160 I'm completely serious, did you really? Yeah? Me and Alison Stevenson. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.280 It was made me bailing for bailed for so long. Oh, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.880 I didn't go on the website. Oh, this was this 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.520 was It was like I was like writing their meme January. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.160 They had meme generator software, so I had to make 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.680 like ten memes every time, and then I was doing 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.520 all kinds of ship. I didn't I didn't go on 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.880 it ever. Oh that's smart. Yeah. It didn't heal me. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.640 It didn't make me better, but I did I did 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.680 have I did make one move meme that went pretty big. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.360 It was Michael Sarah and that young pregnant white women 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.440 woman and it said, don't be silly, Juno, I don't 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:32.040 wear condoms. It was my big bombs world credit. Yeah 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.839 that did numbers. Oh yeah, I don't go on the site, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.400 but I'm hearing good things. You know you're not. I 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.360 don't wear condoms big yeah, yeah, no, it was. That 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.880 was my entrance into the game. Well, I'd say all 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.080 that to say that the thing that ended up happening 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.720 was you go on different website spamming. Sometimes you watch 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.520 the videos. I'm watching this video of a kiddie cat 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.920 and a dog playing together. They're just playing. It's harmless fun, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.480 and and then it immediately switched it cut to a 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.680 video of a dude getting his head sawed off by 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.200 another man. And then I just had to go to 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.200 a boss and be like a bro, I can't I 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:17.600 can't do this. No. That was it that you were like, No, man, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.200 I don't think this is this is gonna keep happening 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.760 for very long. Yeah, call me when they're kicking people 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.760 in the dick again. Yeah, this is this is not fun. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.000 That's awful. You had to see that at work. It 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.360 was the worst day I think I've ever had a workplace. No, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.960 we're both laughing, but this is trauma for you for sure. Yeah. No, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.160 I haven't let it go. And this was many, many 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.680 years ago. No, you gotta you gotta talk to somebody. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.840 That's like a bad thing that happened. I hope that 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:56.920 this cuts out and then it's online. Uh, psych, did 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.360 you see did you see an Arab dude chop another 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.400 Arab dudes it off work? I don't know if they 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.120 were Arab. That was not. I don't know either, But 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.120 you know I didn't keep the video up. I didn't 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.640 finish it. It was it was pretty bad. Yeah, that's awful. Man. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.559 Well I'll look at you now. You got a kid, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.160 you'll be all right. Yeah, and i'd know I transferred 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.400 this down to another person. No, No, you kept it 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:25.800 all inside like a good black man. So our our 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.960 friend John goes on to say, one day while we 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.599 we could have been learning history or social studies or 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.280 anything related to the curriculum. She told us referring to 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.680 this woman who used to beat him at school. She 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.880 told us about how much she used to love the 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.480 band Earth When and Fire. Then she found out that 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.080 they worshiped the devil. That was a Christian school, so 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.080 I'm sure she meant it as a warning to us 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.320 kids about our enjoyment of worldly music. She went on 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.920 to talk about how she heard they would pray to 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:01.280 Satan over their record shipments whoa before they were sent out, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.040 and sacrifice an animal I think a goat to consecrate 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.320 their pact and ensure good sales. I'd love to know 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.319 if you heard anything similar, and to hear you talk 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.840 about anything you learned. Love the show. Ben a fan 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.760 from the beginning. I've liked, subscribed and reviews, So please 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:21.959 don't threaten my knees by bitch. John. Well, thank you John, Yeah, John, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.520 thank you for saying this. Oh man, this is so 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.600 complimented because I don't want to be like I don't 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.600 want to be rude to your dusty teacher ass Auntie, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:40.640 but that bitch is lying. Yeah, Earth When and Fire 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:48.040 being being the source of Satan feels wild. It is man. Listen, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.160 if it was a bad group, then I would be like, Okay, granted, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.160 maybe that's it, right, it's a bad group. The Devil 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.319 used his power Earth then winning. It's incredible. What the 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.240 fund are you doing? Millie Millie, Millie Vanilli goes and 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.959 they're secretly devil worshippers. That makes perfect sense. They're German already, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.720 it's right there. They didn't even sing their songs, so 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.360 it's like, oh, you just found shells to take on 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.320 the voice of Satan for spreading his word. But Earth 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.920 One and Fire also they're from Tuskegee, Alabama. I don't 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:27.160 feel I feel like that's not devil country. I've been. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.560 I've been several times. Why you've done a skin so much? 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.160 My mom had a friend who grew up down there. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.800 It's a good town to go to. You can go 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.000 to George Washington carference house. They have a there's a 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.480 drag racing track outside town. Yeah, you know, don't worry 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:51.679 abou why I'm into I got I got roots points 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.560 like that. That that that that that's who told her 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.560 about the goat. That's also what I don't understand that 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.080 means they did that goat ship and somebody was like, oh, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.679 I'm telling yeah, it's it's weird, like the goat in 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.120 particular is like okay, So they're first of all, they're 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.199 in charge of their own shipments. Earth Wind and Fire 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.679 is packing up their own crates to be she is 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:23.040 going to the fucking warehouse. Vinyl Wait wait, is not 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.120 in earth Wind and Fire. I'm thinking about the Commodore. Yeah, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.760 they're from They're from Tuskegee. I don't know where earth 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.960 Winding Fires from. I don't know either wherever you do 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:36.080 dreads and shaved heads at the same time. But they're 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.079 also not going They're not going to the They're all 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:46.040 dressed like wizards. They're not in packing warehouses, blood everywhere. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.480 I don't, I don't, I don't. And what I feel 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.559 like this lady is just said, you know what happened? Oh, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.000 I think that she got I think because it's very 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.880 excitable music. I think that she maybe got two ex 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.960 side it over some earth When and Fire committed some 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.280 actions that she's not proud of. Uh, you know what 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.800 I'm saying, earth When Fire in sex and then she water, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.200 which is what she screamed when she came with water. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.480 She she she yeah, I think she I think she yeah. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.960 I think she might have given some somebody some sloppy 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.080 toppy or something like that. And then you know, and 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.400 then felt terrible. And then she was like, that's devil music, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:37.360 y'all love the devil. Yeah, that's what I think. It's 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.280 not a bad theory. I will say that that this 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.560 was in part of where this Macro episode starts to 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:48.680 kick in this Maxie episode, is that this conversation led 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.360 me to a larger questioning, I guess, of whether or 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:58.280 not secular music is a sin? Right? That that my 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.800 mama told me secular music is a sin? Is really 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.960 the conversation we're having at large. And do you feel 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.120 that way? It's definitely something that I learned when I 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.320 was a kid, Like I when I was like in 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.440 my teens, I advocated that we go to church just 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.520 because I was like you, yeah, it was weird. I 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.200 got our family going to church. So you advocated for 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.000 your family go to church? Were you so you weren't 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.080 like you obviously were not afraid to go to church 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:32.240 at that age, Like you weren't or anything like that. No, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.600 And this was my early teens. Don't get it wrong. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.280 I got busy pretty soon after. I didn't even I 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.920 didn't know David look at me. I got pussy pretty 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.840 soon after let's just all be cool. I don't know 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.520 about a year and then I I figured out that 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.960 some of this felt very false. But to that the 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.040 larger thing that that sort of broke me, I guess 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:59.640 out of my dedication to religion specifically was going to 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.560 church which one day and being sent to a basement 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.640 for Bible study. And in that basement they played like 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.000 an hour and a half long video where they accused 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:16.080 literally every artist of being a devil worshiper, like literally everybody. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.400 There was the and literally the part that broke me, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.720 I'll never forget it is they that there was a 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.520 part of the video where they were like, and now 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.440 we're gonna talk about John Lennon And then they pulled 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:32.080 up a uh clip of Imagine, the song Imagine where 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.360 his entire purpose and the song is calling for peace 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.720 amongst men, and they go this motherfucker said, God ain't 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.680 real and it's like, I don't, I don't know, bro, 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.080 I think if I think this is different than what 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.440 you're pitching to me, this is crazy because like, first 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.760 of all, what was the time stand? What Era did? 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:59.160 Was this video produced like eighties seventies? It felt like, uh, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.360 if I were to guess, it was like mid to 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.600 early nineties, so they were incorporating grunge and like a 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.440 lot of ship. But like for me, I wasn't I'm 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.920 not a that wasn't my ship when I was a kid, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.760 you know what I mean. So I didn't None of 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:20.919 this music meant anything to me. But the fucking imagine 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:25.560 it's so clearly a song about harmony that it was 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.520 like I'm reading the lyrics as they're calling it devil 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.280 worship that I was like, look, man, I don't funk 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:37.400 with John Lennon, but god damn, this feels false. Right, Okay, 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.000 that is I get that. But there is other music 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.720 where you're like, maybe this is from the Devil, like 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.879 when like when the hot boys are like, I like 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.840 the funcker in the ass while he beat up the pussy, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:59.239 Like that's not from God, you know what I'm saying. Like, 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.400 there is some music that I listened to and sometimes 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.440 in my head I'm like the Devil. But but I 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.480 guess somebody could argue, and this isn't my argument, but 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.600 I'll play the game. Is that is that maybe God 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.600 gave us all them holes. Maybe them boys are just 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.760 filling holes God. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're connecting 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:24.520 to Satan as much as making choices. Okay, you're right, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.480 so sex out of it. What about just like violent 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.960 I'm Gonna kill you music? And that's I think there 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.439 are things and and truly we I don't know that 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.040 I have a hard formed opinion about sin or not 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.600 sin or whatever the funk it is, but I do 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.000 think that there are a bunch of artists who know 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.840 that devil worshiping is a thing, and they play into 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.480 the ship because that's that's part of the fun. I 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:55.200 guess that's part of the good time. I worry more 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.840 about idolatry than devil worshiping, at least if we're talking 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:04.840 about Black Guard, is say more about that, like us 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:10.399 idolizing them? Yeah, and just like you know, commitment of 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.520 life to the pursuit of money and material wealth and 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.640 designer and all these things, it does come off as worship. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.040 Mm hmm, you know what I mean? Like the idea 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.560 of the of like design of being uses currency and 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.720 stuff like that, so that I would worry about, but 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:35.760 like directly developed directly worshiping the devil is a heavy line, right, Yeah. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.800 I think there's a to me that feels more like 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.520 what you're describing ego and sort of like toxicity that's 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.000 sort of consumption and capitalism does to all of us. 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:51.240 But it doesn't feel like they're like burning fucking candles 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.879 in their like you know, living room and being like 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.640 love you devil and then going and performing at their shows. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.479 You know what I mean? I mean, which one is worse? Also, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:05.480 I honestly I would rather you commit to the ship. Yeah, 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.919 I'd rather you just wear some horns, go down to 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:14.200 the warehouse kill a goat, than like a leather vest 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.600 and kill a goat. I want you to dress up 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:23.879 like a black Hebrew Israelite, but fun but fun, fun, 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:29.720 like brighter colors, go kill a goat and then sing 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:34.000 September it's worth it. Then it's worth it. Then I'm 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.720 not afraid of the devil like that. Maybe I should 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.000 show Oh man, that was a statement if I've ever 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:44.560 heard one, are you? I don't. I'm I'm afraid of 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.359 people who really like them, are you? Though? Yeah, I 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:53.400 genuinely am. I see it in your face. I don't 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.280 think it's one of those where it's like I'll beat 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.639 a devil worshiper's ass. I don't think I would. I 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.240 think whatever they like makes them like have a weird 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.760 strength that I don't. I don't know that I'm gonna 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.879 go te for toll was so No, they make me 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.560 uncomfortable for sure. I've never met one that wasn't skinny. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:16.840 First of all. Yeah, that scares me more. Oh you okay, 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.000 because you know it's like we all know skinny motherfucker's 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.760 who can secretly fight. And you're like, why you ain't 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.520 got no muscles? How is this that is true? Like 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.360 I have seen I knew a few skinny guys who 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:33.600 like almost like they're possessed. H Okay, that's fair. Come on, 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:36.879 what is the devil? Ever? Like, you know, what have 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.800 you done for me lately? Like? I don't know, Man, 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.879 you're missing the old devil I missed. I mean I 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.640 missed like a concrete enemy. I feel like the new 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.560 new school devil. Why whoa what a bunch of white 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.440 ladies got crystals in their titties? That's I'm scared of that. 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.480 That's fair. I was like, new school Devil feels much 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.760 closer to Troll. An effective leader, That's what I'm saying. 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.879 I don't see him. I don't see him galvanizing the 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.800 people to like, what, like, what major moves have you made, Devil. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.159 I'm I'm gonna be honest. It sounds like you're calling 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.800 the Devil out and I'm excited to see where it lands. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:22.280 I'm not not damn you heard it here first, Devil 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.359 versus David Bori. I just feel like I stuck up 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.120 for that guy a lot and he never really did 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:31.840 anything for me. A fight to win it all, and 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.560 apparently there's a backstory that will cover eventually because because 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.080 he's stuck up for you, Devil, and you're you're going down, buddy, 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.960 I got you. Well, we're gonna take a break. I 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.320 think that's the most appropriate way to end this. We're 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.280 gonna take a break. We'll be back with more, David 0:22:48.280 --> 0:23:05.240 boy And my mama told me we are back. I'm 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:09.600 not gay, no more, I am delivered. Yeah, we're back 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.359 here with with more David Bory more. My mama told me, 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:17.320 we're still talking about the possibility that that secular music, 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:21.680 the music of the everyday man is sinful and and 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:26.960 harmful to God. Are they hurting God? Is that the fear? Well, 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.560 I think that we hurt God when we turn away 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.600 from him. So I guess, like technically right, because the 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:38.360 Devil's all about temptation is the whole thing, right? Yes, yeah, 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:40.719 it's this big thing is trying to tempt us into 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.919 I guess turning our backs on God, be it uh 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:49.720 temporarily or permanently, right, yeah, So I guess God don't 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.120 like seeing your back. No, no, it's like, uh, it's 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.200 like the way I treat kids in Arkansas. You know 0:23:55.240 --> 0:24:02.240 what I mean. You show back, I would be I'll 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:10.160 hit you close fisted like a man. So I, upon 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.400 hearing this earth wind and Fire Satanism question, I want 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.880 to get back to John's original question about earth wind 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.080 and Fire. I did, in fact do some research, and 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:24.760 specifically I stumbled into a forty five minute Facebook documentary 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:30.080 called Satan Minutes. That's just a video a dude put up. 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.760 Oh no, no, no. They They had two different interviews, 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.800 one of which was with a brother named uh Watchman 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:43.879 Yahoo is reel and uh yeah, yeah, why a h 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.840 you and I'm probably not Yahoo, but it's Yahoo. That's 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:49.359 the only way I will respect you if it was 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:54.560 h Oh, I'm not going first name watchman, you're fine 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:59.119 with that? Yeah, yeah, I get that happens. But who's 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:04.040 gotta be get? But he produced this along with a 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:08.240 woman who, despite introducing himself at every interview segment of 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:13.560 his own, he never introduces hers. Is like a much 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.320 grainier footage that they film in a park. He's in 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.960 like a full studio set up, and they never even 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.119 mentioned who the funk this bitches for forty five minutes. 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.720 And yes, you goddamn right, I watched all forty five 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.160 minutes of this ship. Can you do you have a clip? 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.240 You got to show me a clip. I absolutely have 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.119 a clip, But I couldn't wait for you to ask 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.400 that question. Let me pull up some of my favorite 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:42.720 moments from self produced. Right, it's absolutely self producing, and 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.560 that won't even be a question you'll have to ask. Shortly. 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.320 You're gonna see it and you'll know without a doubt 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:52.160 that this is self produced. Oh man, I'm excited. So 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.600