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Speaker 1: It sounds just like here's our professional voice. We uh

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Speaker 1: if for anybody out there listening. This is the second

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Speaker 1: episode in Depth with Ashley, I can anie myself. We

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Speaker 1: have a very special guest. We've been promising you, I

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Speaker 1: don't know the last month. Sean Booth is in studio

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Speaker 1: with us right now. Sean, thanks for joining us, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. It's good to be back. And just

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Speaker 1: a reminder in Depth in Sean, I'll tell you this

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Speaker 1: is incredible? Right. We we we get to break down the episodes,

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Speaker 1: we get to talk about what's happening in Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 1: But oftentimes these Bachelor contestants kind of come and go

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Speaker 1: is meant to pull back some of Bachelor Nation's favorites

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Speaker 1: Who were you before the show? How did the show

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Speaker 1: affect you? And then what is life looking like? You

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Speaker 1: know now as as we look forward, you're obviously somebody

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Speaker 1: that everybody's very excited to talk about UM and have

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Speaker 1: a bash Caitlin podcast. This is a let's get to

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Speaker 1: know Sean podcast. Uh. And so anybody out there listening

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Speaker 1: this whole episode is going to be just allowing Sean

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Speaker 1: the place to speak truth, to speak from his heart.

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Speaker 1: And and Ashley and I just want to listen. Perfect,

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Speaker 1: have all these friends, right, and then as soon as

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Speaker 1: with a rapid fire question on for Sean again. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we had such a good relationship, um, and we talked

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00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 1: about Caitlin. But it got to the point where there

428
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: was just four of us left and we're still in

429
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: the same room, and like I'd be laying in bed

430
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: and then you'd come home at like one or two

431
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: in the morning and you'd get in bed and like,

432
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't right, and you're already like I was already

433
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: in love at that point, and yeah, you're like, hey,

434
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: I was good. I was like, all right, I don't

435
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: want to hear any more. At that point, it is like,

436
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: holy this is getting pretty crazy. But yeah, there's nothing

437
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: normal about it. Um. But it's not like I have

438
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: regrets because I went in there and um, you know,

439
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: I guess I left it all out there and um yeah,

440
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: it's but it gives everybody out there and myself a

441
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: backstory to how you got to to this point. Right.

442
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: I remember a night in in Ireland. It's Sean Mitge.

443
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a night he's talking about He's I

444
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: got home late and he's still awake and he's laying

445
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: on his bed, on top of the covers um, looking

446
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: up at the ceiling, and he won't even make y

447
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: kind How was it said? It was good good, And

448
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: he goes, all right, that's cool, and he's done and

449
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: he rolls over and sticks his head right in the pillows,

450
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: and I was like, this guy. Absolutely, Yeah, I have

451
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: to say that from the portrayal on the show, I've

452
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 1: never seen it for trade as deep love as it

453
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: has been with you and Caitlin m It's it felt

454
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: like stuff and and Shanna have to ask, now, um,

455
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: is that why this has been so hard? I mean

456
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: just I felt love from this show and this new

457
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: season right this this chapter. Now that you're looking around

458
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: your sayings, No, it's no longer the same as it

459
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: was because of the authenticity and the genius and the

460
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: real love that was felt. Is that why this has

461
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: been so hard to process? Yeah? Absolutely, because it's like

462
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: not only where we engage, but it's like, man, I

463
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: lost my best friend too. We're gonna take another break. Hey,

464
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: what's up. I'm Stephanie Pratt. You may know me from

465
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: the Hills and I'm wells Adams from like Batchroom Paradise,

466
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know I dated someone that's famous. Okay,

467
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: you guys, he's he's well as Autem Sarah Highland's boyfriend.

468
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: Can that not be my moniker? It's no, it should be.

469
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: So when we start the show, you're just gonna be like, hey,

470
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: and Sarah Highland's boyfriend, we're going for it. Enough about Wells.

471
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: This is actually the Pratt Cast and it's going to

472
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: be about the Hills, and we'll be talking about things

473
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: you can't hear anywhere else. Having castmates come on talking

474
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: about Wells his dating life with Sarah. I was looking

475
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: at you my bath. They've locked us in this freaking

476
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: studio together and they won't let us out until we

477
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: have your new favorite obsession. So please subscribe to Pratt

478
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: Cast after we finished this episode, or just do it

479
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: right now because you're probably bored of this episode and

480
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: literally we want to get out. It's lunch time. Yes,

481
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: it's home sweating right now? Can we turn the air

482
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: rose alright on three one two three? You won't regret it.

483
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: I want to say it's therapeutic, like I want to

484
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: say this is good, and I think it is because

485
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: as we process breakups in these pains, I think we

486
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: live not only as we talk about like I think

487
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a second, but we live in

488
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: a generation where, um, there's an incredible amount of visibility

489
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: into some of the hardest things. Now you know, for

490
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: you you have to watch your partner move on. But

491
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: also we live in a generation where vulnerability is um

492
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: quickly uh scene and so hearing things like this, like

493
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: hearing uh you processing through this is is obviously going

494
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: to relate with a lot of people out there. I

495
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: unfortunately to do it on national TV on Winter Games

496
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: when Chris Harrison knew the exact question, asked me, then,

497
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: what's the hardest part? He knew that's what was gonna

498
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: get me. Um, And I can't even say what I

499
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: said because this is this is about you. But my

500
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: point is this is not easy, and so you fighting

501
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: through this is is to be expected for me. I

502
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: just had to do it when I couldn't walk away. Um.

503
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: But but I you know, Sean, I want you to

504
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: just talk as you feel, um you need, will take

505
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: breaks as we need. But but yeah, I mean I

506
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: think that leads us into that question before, is is

507
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: what is the hardest part? Um? Yeah? Well, first off,

508
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: thank you asked for being patient with me, and I I

509
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: actually think it's gonna be uh this difficult. I knew

510
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: it would be hard, but I guess once you actually

511
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: start opening up about it a little more, UM makes

512
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: it that much harder. Um. It just feels like everything

513
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: is just like completely gone like that, like Caitlyn and

514
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: Shawn like gone, like everything we've had, Um, everything we've

515
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: been through. UM. You know, we were this team that

516
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: we got through a lot of stuff together, but then

517
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: just like in an instant, it's all gone. And so

518
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: it's just trying to move on from that and then UM,

519
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: stay positive about it and not let the outside noise

520
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: take you down too much. UM, because you know, living

521
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: in a world where everything is on social media, and

522
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's nerve racking every time I pick up

523
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: my phone. I haven't been on Twitter and months just

524
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: because I don't want to scroll the mentions. And then

525
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: going on Instagram, you know I do that for business purposes. UM,

526
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: obviously get caught with scrolling, and that's always tough because

527
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: I just you know, you have a bit in your

528
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: stomach and then you know this and you know this

529
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: don't discover page. I do not go to the discover page.

530
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: I learned that pretty quick. I haven't been there in

531
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: a while. UM, so yeah, that that's that's the hard part.

532
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: And I think just with her and moving on so quick. UM,

533
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: I just have a tough time understanding why she would

534
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: be putting this out everywhere or blasting it all over

535
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: the place, knowing, um that it could hurt. UM. There's

536
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: a lot of confusion about the timeline at the end

537
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: of the ever your relationship. When did everything? When did

538
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: you start taking a break? Um? We were working through

539
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: things during the summer, but we weren't officially like we

540
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: were still together, like when you guys spent like a

541
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: month apart and people on Instagram respective breaking out Now

542
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: we were still together. Um, we are ended up, I

543
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: would say, officially breaking up September and then um announcing

544
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: it in November. Yeah, that's also around the same time

545
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I learned about Caitlin and Jason in November. Yeah. I

546
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: want to I want to definitely get into Caitlin and

547
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: Jason in a second, because I know it's gonna be hard. Um.

548
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: But when you I think looking back on my time too,

549
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to pull back those those emotions.

550
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: I honestly try to block him out. But um, when

551
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: you broke up m hm. And it was officially done

552
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: in September, right, and you don't, you know, you take

553
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: some time to announce it because it just wise and

554
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: smart and it's it's about you two anyways. And did

555
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: you expect it to be this hard? No? I didn't.

556
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: I think we're at a point in our relationship where

557
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: we were like, all right, this has to happen, and

558
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: it was just like, all right, we're doing it, and

559
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: just kind of went a hundred miles an hour and

560
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, Um, I think it really hit

561
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: me hard the day it was announced. That was tough.

562
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: But I never thought, I guess in the back of

563
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: my mind, and I probably shouldn't have thought this. I

564
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: didn't think it was maybe completely over. I thought that maybe,

565
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: all right, there was a part of us that kind

566
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: of wanted to announce it to kind of get everybody

567
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: off our backs because we were trying to work on

568
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: it behind closed doors and doing what we need to do.

569
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: And then just the pressure from everybody speculating and a

570
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: lot of rumors starting, and um, that started affecting our

571
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: relationship too, So it was almost like, all right, we're done,

572
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: and then, UM, I guess in my mind, I thought

573
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: maybe there was still some chance, you know, after we

574
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: announced it, that we would, you know, stay friends, and

575
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. Um. Maybe I'm naive

576
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: for thinking that, but I did tell her that I

577
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: wanted to work through this as a team. That was

578
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: my main thing. Like, we only have each other for this,

579
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of people who have been

580
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: through this situation and going through breakups are extremely difficult,

581
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: but then having to deal with everything else, you know,

582
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to work with each other and kind of

583
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: support one another and be there for each other. And

584
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: then that just didn't happen. So why did you decide

585
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: you couldn't be friends? Um? Because I found out about

586
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: her and Jason. Let's let's dig into that then. UM,

587
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Um? How much? How

588
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: much time do we have? Well, we have we have,

589
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope a long life ahead of us. Yeah,

590
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I feel the the whole array of emotions, pain, anger, confu,

591
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: usuon um everything else. Yeah, it's tough. Well, we got

592
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: an email from Elizabeth and she asked a question on

593
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: this topic. She goes, once you go public with a breakup,

594
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: and you are expected, you're you're obviously two people expected

595
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: to move on eventually. She says, I love both Shawn

596
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: and Caitlin, and Shawn's feelings should of course be taken

597
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: into consideration. But once you've broken up with someone, do

598
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: you really get to say on how fast your X

599
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: moves on? No? And I'm not saying I don't. I

600
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: don't have a saying anything that she does. And that's

601
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: her life and um, obviously what they had was strong

602
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: enough to pursue that and to run with it. Its

603
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Does it hurt Hell yeah, it hurts, um, But she

604
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: can do what she wants and I'm not going to

605
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: stop her from you know, like that lady asked or

606
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: said that do we have to say? No? Absolutely, I

607
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: don't have to say we are. Sean and I were

608
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: able to speak a couple of times it's a break up,

609
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: and one of those was that we asked that question

610
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: to me, what was do I even have to stay here? Like?

611
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Is there any timeline that we can because it hurts right, like,

612
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: no matter what, you're human, you see it. The worst part,

613
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: I think one of the worst parts about a breakup,

614
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: not only is the finality of it sometimes and the

615
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: idea that you know, as Sean I talked about earlier,

616
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: like you look around, you go, this is done, moving on.

617
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: But the second part is the band aid being ripped

618
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: off and seeing that person with somebody else, like sharing

619
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: that intimate moment. Because and and and Shan, you know,

620
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: thank you for giving us opportunity to ask you these questions,

621
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 1: and thanks for coming in here and talk to us.

622
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: But I do have to clarify that when you're engaged,

623
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: you're setting up boundaries, and you're you're in it, Ashley,

624
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: you're setting up boundaries in your head now to say,

625
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna kiss another person, I'm never gonna lay

626
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: next to another person. I'm never gonna look at another

627
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: person with the trust in the honesty and the vulnerability

628
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: that I'm doing to this partner. And so when you

629
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: see that then end that's one thing. And then when

630
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: you see that start to happen with somebody else, that's

631
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: a whole another. And so what Sean and I came

632
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: to conclusion, which this guy is exactly what he said.

633
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: It hurts, it can hurt, it should hurt, it will hurt.

634
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: But no, we don't have any say, and that's what

635
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: hurts maybe the most as you can't control it. That's

636
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, you have no say in it. It's like, yeah,

637
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: they're together, and if she's happy, she's happy that's what

638
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: she wants to do, then that's what she wants to do.

639
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: I think that is the finality of it all though.

640
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: You know when I when we broke up and announced it,

641
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: and we're still talking, um, still talking as friends. Yeah,

642
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: still talking like texting and we're still um. I was

643
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: still bringing over Tucker to see her, and um, that's

644
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: what's something we were going to continue to do. And yeah,

645
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: just kind of helping one another out. But then it

646
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: just it ended. So then then when all this stuff

647
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: comes out and um, you find out these things, that

648
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: was kind of like, all right, I guess this is

649
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: really done. We we have a question from Maggie relating

650
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: to the topic, and I do think this is interesting,

651
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: uh and I do want to hear sean your your

652
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: opinion on this. It says the double standard from Maggie,

653
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: I think we while we obviously want both parties to

654
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: be happy and I love Jason and Caitlin for each other,

655
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: if the rules were reversed and Sean was being this public,

656
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: you'd be crucified, as says, I mean, there is talk

657
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: of him just hanging out with a girl from the

658
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: gym that probably isn't even a relationship, and people were outraged.

659
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: I think the relationship has probably been over for a

660
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: while and it's Caitlin's right to move on. But there's

661
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: a double standard that was from Maggie. I will say this,

662
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: I was very frustrated. Um, there were tabloids that came

663
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: out that I was spot had with some girl at

664
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: a fitness event. Um. I was also spotted at that

665
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: fitness event with probably fifty four other people as well.

666
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: They didn't put that in there. Um. And then, Um,

667
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: I was getting attacked really bad, and I was getting

668
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: very mean emails, messages, comments, and people were just out

669
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: from my head because they thought that I was dating

670
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: somebody which I wasn't and there was no relationship there. Um.

671
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: And then I had heard that Caitlin talked about on

672
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: her podcast, and that was something that also frustrated me

673
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: because at that point I already knew that she had

674
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: been with Jason, and it was with Jason a couple

675
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: of weeks prior to that, and talking to him, So

676
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: that hurt. Why do you think that is? I mean,

677
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: there there is this It feels like, you know, I

678
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: remember remember when when the headlines came out about you

679
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: and somebody from some fitness event and no matter what here,

680
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: let's take even Caitlin out of the conversation here and

681
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: like let's say, yeah, at that point, it wasn't public

682
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: with her and Jason just for you. You You come out

683
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: and you're spotted with one girl at a fitness event,

684
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: and it becomes, you know, the headlines of negativity. This

685
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, now comes into play, the Caitlin and Jason thing,

686
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: and we add that in it says this is being

687
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: supported in and encouraged. Why is that? Well? I think

688
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: it's also because he's from Bachelor Nation, right, He's a

689
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: well liked guy from Bachelor Nation, and people look at

690
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: our lives sometimes as being these people on TV. So

691
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I really like Jason on his season.

692
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: I was rooting for him. I really liked Caitlin on

693
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: her season. Oh it's so cool that they're together. I

694
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: like both of them. Um that's one theory that I

695
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: have or where I think that's probably why that is

696
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: very supported. Um. I don't know. I don't know if

697
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: there's a double standard, but I didn't think it was

698
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: fair the way I was being treated, just knowing what

699
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: I knew. But then again, I keep reminding myself what

700
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: my dad has told me since I'm a little kid,

701
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: that life is not fair and there's and it's never

702
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: gonna be fair. Um So it's just rolling with the punches.

703
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: And in a sense right now, I'm kind of just

704
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: getting all of it out of the way, like all right,

705
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: going through the breakup that's painful, And then, like you said,

706
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: I think the hardest thing that anybody has to go

707
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: through is seeing their um X or something they're in

708
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: love with with another person. So I'm kind of all right,

709
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: we're getting this over with now, like just dealing with it,

710
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: and I just know that it's all gonna make me

711
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: stronger and I'm gonna come out of this a better person.

712
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: So I try and stay positive as best I can.

713
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, I can't. I'm not gonna sit here and

714
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: complain about my life. Like I know, I'm a lucky guy,

715
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: Like I get to wake up every morning and I

716
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: do what I love most with phenomenal people. I have

717
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: my health, I have a loving and care and family,

718
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: great friends, and every day I come home and I

719
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: have the best dog in the world that greets me

720
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: when I opened the door. So I realized, I'm a

721
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: lucky guy. And um, I know that this is just

722
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: a relationship. So I don't want to sit here and

723
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: be like, oh, poor me, like pity me. You know,

724
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through it. It's gonna hurt like hell.

725
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: It does hurt like hell, but it's just gonna make

726
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: me stronger. And I know that down the road, I'm

727
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna be able to look back at this and I

728
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: know that down the road, I'll be really happy again

729
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: in a relationship. So okay, So Sean, what are your

730
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: feelings on Caitlin right now? Caitlin is someone that I

731
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: obviously care about and somebody that I was in love with,

732
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: and she was somebody that I experienced all um crazy

733
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: things in life with and went through a lot with her.

734
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: So it's tough for me to sit here now like

735
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: try and go going through the thick of everything and

736
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: have an honest opinion about her. And I don't want

737
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: it to be negative because even though we've talked about

738
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the tougher things in our relationship here.

739
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, I don't wanna discredit all the good things

740
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: that we had in our relationship, and there were a

741
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: lot of them, and we did have a lot of

742
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: good times together, and obviously I will look back at

743
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: this um part of my life and cherish it. Um.

744
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: So I guess at the end of the day, I

745
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: do want her to be happy. And now I suppose

746
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: that the reason you maybe have a bad taste in

747
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: your mouth is just because how fast she moved on. Yeah,

748
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: I think that just it stings, um, and I think

749
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: that's normal to have those feelings. UM. But again, I'm

750
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say, hey, I was this

751
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: perfect guy in this relationship, and I know there are

752
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: things that I could have been better with and UM,

753
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm not putting the blame on her for the relationship

754
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: or why it ended. I think it just, um hurts

755
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: seeing somebody that you were in love with move on

756
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: and move on quickly. But um, she's allowed to do

757
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: that and it is what it is. But yeah, it's

758
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard. You mentioned a couple of times

759
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: through the podcast, and so I gotta ask, um, is

760
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: there a chance or do you foresee yourself ever getting

761
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: back together. No, was the answer to that different like

762
00:41:50,320 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: a month ago. Yeah, yes, we weren't taking the break.

763
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: So when you guys did officially split in September, you

764
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: didn't have this any sort of negative connotation. No, I

765
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: don't think it was really negative. It was just sad.

766
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: I think we're both sad, and I think we were

767
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: both at a point where it had to happen. So

768
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: it was we were being friendly and um, but she

769
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: had moved on, which is fine. So I think that's

770
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: kind of when the communication stopped. I feel like Caitlin

771
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: may have started mourning the end of your relationship before.

772
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Possibly it was even over, saying like July, when things

773
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: started really going down south and you're trying to work

774
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: on things, when do you think you started nothing. I

775
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: don't want to like just say for a fact, she

776
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: started board to get in July. I have no idea

777
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: when she did. This is just ibes I'm getting. But Wendy,

778
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: you think you started mourning the end of the relationship. Yeah,

779
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: that could be a true statement. Um, I think it

780
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: was probably after her and I think everything just kind

781
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: of hit really hard and really quick, and so maybe

782
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: that is why I'm having a little bit of a

783
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: tougher time because I'm going through the morning process now

784
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: where she could have been earlier. So, UM, I guess

785
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: people more in things differently, And I would definitely say

786
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: that announcing the breakup was extremely tough, and then seeing

787
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: her move on it was extremely tough. And I'm kind

788
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: of just mourning all of it right now. So possibly

789
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: it was maybe she was mourning the end of the

790
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: relationship and then when you guys announced it, she kind

791
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: of felt a weightlifted, and then you kind of the opposite.

792
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: That's when everything started to feel real. Um. I don't

793
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: know if I felt the opposite, like there was a

794
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: weight lifted from me too, I felt, but I guess

795
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: I just think, Um, I don't know. Maybe I just

796
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: didn't prepare myself. I don't think that's something I can

797
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: prepare for. I guess it's in the back of your mind,

798
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: like all right, maybe this thing won't work, um, And

799
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: we did a lot to try and make it work. UM.

800
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: So I think when it actually did come to an end,

801
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: it was like, holy cow, it's actually done. And then,

802
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: of course, even when we broke up and from September

803
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: to November still kind of just you know, um going

804
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: along day to day, And like I said before, I

805
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: think it just really hit once it was announced, and

806
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: then hit again when I found out everything with Jason.

807
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: So I want to be really clear about the timeline.

808
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: You guys broke up officially in September, you remained for endly,

809
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: then Jason and Caitlin met while recording her podcast in October,

810
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: and then they started dating in January, or at least

811
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: we're public about dating in January. You're not intinuing it

812
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: at all that they were like going behind your back

813
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: before the official breakup. I want to make that like

814
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: super clear. Yeah, I'm not saying that she was cheating

815
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: on him, are cheating on me with you. I'm not

816
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: saying that because I know that she loves you unconditionally. Still, yeah,

817
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't want to say that. I

818
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: don't want people to think that. Um, the whole timeline thing,

819
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: like you said, broke up September, announced in November. Um,

820
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: I just I just found out about the Jason and

821
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: Caitlyn thing back in November. So UM, I know they

822
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: are publicly going on and talking about it right now

823
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: and saying they're going on their first dates and the

824
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: second dates and putting all over social media. Um, but

825
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: I knew the US for a couple of months now,

826
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit I've been dealing with it

827
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, so it's kind of a little

828
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: fresher to the public. Um. The only thing that I guess, um,

829
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're afraid to announce it prior

830
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: to them and maybe when they say they're going there,

831
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: they're going on the first date. I'm assuming that that's

832
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: public because obviously they spent time together before then. So

833
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that I was just like, Oh, okay,

834
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: why are they trying to um tell everybody they're just

835
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: starting to date now. That's why I'm like, are they

836
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: hiding something? But I don't think they are. That's where

837
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm confused. The public really perceived you guys not being

838
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: married after being engaged for three years as a stressor

839
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: as maybe that was why you guys broke up because

840
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: you just you just didn't want to get married and

841
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: she wanted to get married. Was that an actual issue

842
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: in the relationship or just a perceived issue from the

843
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: pop Like, yeah, that was that was definitely more perceived

844
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: by the public. It was never a big thing with us.

845
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: Since day one, we realized that the way we met

846
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: was definitely a little different, and we always said we

847
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: wanted to take our time. But there was never any

848
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: point where I was like, let's get married now, or

849
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: she was like, come on, let's get married. We we

850
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: both were just kind of going with the flow, and um,

851
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: we really didn't let that outside noise get to us,

852
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: like the whole marriage thing. We kind of laughed off,

853
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: like when we're ready, we'll get married. And we just

854
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: never got to that point. And I think we both

855
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: felt that. So that's why we never really discussed it

856
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: or started planning it, because I think obviously, deep down

857
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: she knew and deep down I knew that we just

858
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: weren't there. Okay, so you don't think that your relationship

859
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: was ever stable enough for you to sign the papers

860
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: and commit it forever, right, Yeah, And at least that's

861
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: how I felt. I mean, I can't talk on her behalf,

862
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: but I know, like she was never like, come on,

863
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: let's get married, let's do this, like and she she

864
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: never and she has always said that she's never been

865
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: a girl that's you know, crazy about planning her wedding

866
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: or or getting married, and I think it's just for

867
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: her being in that stable relationship. And if marriage happens,

868
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: it happens, I mean I would I would have to

869
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: imagine for you. And as a friend, I sit there

870
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: and I read this stuff, and I see all these

871
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: things right come out on in tabloids and magazines, on

872
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, Twitter or whatever it is. I see all

873
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: these things. I see your picture pop up, and I

874
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: see them and I know, no matter what, neither you

875
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: or Caitlin here want these things to be spread because

876
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: they're not true. And so sitting silent feels paralyzing. It

877
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: almost feels like it would hurt more than coming out

878
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: and talking about it. Yeah, And I think, uh, a

879
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: lot of people just think I'm this guy who only

880
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: cares about his gym and working out and his dog.

881
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: And you know, because everybody looks at social media as

882
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: an end all be all right, They're just like, oh,

883
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: this guy does not give a crap about anything. He

884
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: doesn't care about a relationship or Caitlin or any of that,

885
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: which gonna be farther from the truth. And I also

886
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: I want to help maybe hopefully this helps somebody get

887
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: through this because as tough as this was to sitting

888
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: here and talk. Obviously, we've come a long way in

889
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: the last hour. M it does. It has helped me,

890
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: and hopefully this helps somebody if they're sitting in their

891
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: car right now, because probably somebody's going through a tough breakup,

892
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: and all three of us sitting at the stable have

893
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: been through very tough breakups. Since you wanted to come

894
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: here and tell your side of the story, I just

895
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: want to clarify. I have a few more things before

896
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: we move on from all the serious stuff. Was it

897
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: a mutual split? Would you say? I would say that

898
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: it ended up being mutual, ended up getting to a

899
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: point where we both realized that we couldn't keep going

900
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: on the way we were. We just weren't giving each

901
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: other what we both needed, and it was a constant

902
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: back and forth and we just couldn't get on the

903
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: same page. And so I guess the reasoning behind the

904
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: split was just not being able to see eye to

905
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: eye on a lot of things. And he specifically you

906
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: want to open up about no, just um, you know,

907
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: things that she needed she didn't feel that I was

908
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: able to give her, and then vice versa, and it

909
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: was kind of just this um never ending cycle of

910
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: did you feel like you were giving that and that

911
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: she that she thought that she was giving what you needed?

912
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: Or is it something like you guys were just two

913
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: people that were never meant to give and take from

914
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: each other. I think we're both stubborn people, and I

915
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: think we've tried. There's not like one issue or one

916
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: thing that's just like, well, that's what caused. It was

917
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: just stuff that continued to develop and just kind of

918
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: uh get piled on one another. And then I just

919
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: got the point where we're gonna do it, Sean, I

920
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: want to pause here, uh and just say thanks. I

921
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: do think your your intention of saying, hey, maybe somebody

922
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: out there listening to this could could feel I think

923
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: the the feeling of pain and vulnerability is never easy

924
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: to share. I think, especially for for minutes, it seems

925
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: to be hard. And you've done that today, and so

926
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: somebody out there listening, I guarantee goes out like I'm

927
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: not alone. And that's that's really why we started this

928
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: podcast two years ago, uh, is to talk about the

929
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: Bachelor um and somehow through that use it as an

930
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: avenue for that people to watch The Bachelor enjoy The Bachelor,

931
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: to know that the people that do The Bachelor are

932
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: are still human, and then as a result, we can

933
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: share that we're not you're not alone. As as you

934
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: watch this and you see people cry and you see

935
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: people feel pained, I want to lighten it up for

936
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: a second. Um, before we end with a couple final

937
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: questions for you, I want Ashley to do what she

938
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: does best, because as I guarantee you, she has some

939
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous questions to ask you first. So um, Sean,

940
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: before we end this kind of on a more somber note,

941
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, I want to take some time

942
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: for Ashley to take it away. I only we've ever

943
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: gone from this sad to like questions. No, No, I'm

944
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: not depressing at all. I think I think the I

945
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: don't know, you know everybody in this room. There's there's

946
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: five of us in the room right now. I think vulnerability, authenticity,

947
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: genuine nous and that like rawness is attractive to so

948
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: many and I think it's very rare that we're able

949
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: to share in those moments with each other and and

950
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: and so as a result, No, I don't think it's depressing.

951
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: I actually just think it feels like life. It just

952
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: feels like life in here. It feels like we can

953
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: all just take a deep breath and be like, yeah,

954
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: things are sometimes really great. We can we can become

955
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: numb to the pain and numb too to the things

956
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: that hurt. But sometimes life just max us in the

957
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: face and we have to talk about it. And and

958
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: it's moments like that now, Um, that I think I'm

959
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: most attract to as I get older is the moment

960
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: that we can say no, like, sometimes life just hurts,

961
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: and so no, not depressing, I just think it. It

962
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: feels really heavy in here in a really relatable way. Um.

963
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: And on that note, what was your man crush? I'm

964
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: standing right next to him. No, I know that's not

965
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: true my man crush. Um, that's a good one. When

966
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: I watched movies Aberty crushes, Lamb. That's a lamb question. Cushes,

967
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I really thought you were gonna just

968
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: say Ryan Gosling. I do like the goss A big

969
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: fan of Jake Jillen hall it too. He's Jake the Snakes.

970
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: The Man Leo. Leo is another one of them. They're

971
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: all three really fantastic choices. What was the last movie

972
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: that made you cry or move to you just watch

973
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: one recently? I think Marley and Me. All right, yeah, yeah,

974
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: I remember when I first saw that movie. I had

975
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: ended at one o'clock in the morning. I just watched

976
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: it for the first time a couple of years ago,

977
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: and then my sister and I had to wake my

978
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: dad up with the FaceTime and be like, let me see.

979
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: I have to say, LUSI, um, real quick, can you

980
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: imagine being the father of Ashley Lauren? How much fun

981
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: that's got to be. I've met Lauren, but I need

982
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: to seem I mean, just unbelievable. Ashley's they're crying it

983
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: to in the morning. He's nice to be like, all right, um,

984
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: what is the worst movie you've ever seen? Um? Paul

985
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: Blart The Mall Coup. I never saw it, but it

986
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: looked really bad for me. It's the Love Guru. Yeah,

987
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: that's I walked out to like Paul Bart three or four.

988
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: I was shocked that they were able to make a

989
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: sequel to that. And lastly, your first concert? What was that?

990
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews Band, Hartford, Connecticut. I'm se my surprised by that.

991
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 1: That was like a big smoke weed at that concert. UM,

992
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: no comments. I think I was pretty young. I think

993
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: I was probably like fourteen. My buddies just went to

994
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: a Dave Matthews concert. It's his eighteen and he never

995
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: smokes ever, he hates smoking. He smoked at this concert.

996
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: He faced timey. His eyes are red and he's just

997
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: having a panic attacking. He said, Well, lesson learned. Don't

998
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: try to be cool, buddy. UM, drugs aren't cool. Hey, Uh,

999
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: Sean again, thank you. UM. This is more in general

1000
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: for anybody listening, and also I want to invite anybody

1001
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: listening to please e mail us. It's been in Ashley.

1002
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. Uh. Any of your questions, UM

1003
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: for Sean, questions for us, UH, stories of breakup, stories

1004
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: of pain. Um. You know, if we're gonna be vulnerable

1005
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: with you, we we want to also offer the arena

1006
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: and the opportunity for you, for you to be vulnerable

1007
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: with us, And so email us and Sean to end here. UM.

1008
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 1: Two final questions. One is as a friend of yours,

1009
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: as somebody that loves you. UM is somebody that also

1010
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: still loves Caitlin. And I know Ashley loves Caitlin. UM,

1011
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: but just as friends in general, How can friends best

1012
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: support people that are going through breakups? Just be there

1013
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: for them no matter what and just listen like you've

1014
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: done for me. I called you. I think you were

1015
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: in the Dominican right, Yeah, I was with David Ortiz

1016
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: was and you took time away probably an hour, hour

1017
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: and a half even with like a three or four

1018
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: second delay when we talk to each other, just offering advice. Yeah,

1019
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: and just being there. I've really learned, Uh, you know

1020
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: who I can count on, and um, that's I guess

1021
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: been a positive through all this. Um, yeah, just be there,

1022
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: be there. One of our mutual friends, nas producer on

1023
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: the show, who is no longer a producer, she created

1024
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: something called Heartbroken Anonymous, and it's basically an a a

1025
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: meeting every month for people who are heartbroken and so

1026
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 1: they can just talk out their feelings with other people

1027
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: in similar situations. Are you trying to get me to go?

1028
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking that if you are here on a

1029
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, she's doing on Valentine's Day. Cool. Um, Now,

1030
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Actually that that group,

1031
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: just let you know, has grown tremendously, so it's it's actually, yeah,

1032
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: it kind of relates really well with this. Just everybody

1033
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: off the Bachelor seasons. They just bill onto. There have

1034
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: been some alums at the meetings, but I think it's

1035
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: gone really well and it's interesting to think that we're

1036
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: communities are connecting over pain. I don't know, I think

1037
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: that's good. I think that's church kind of should be.

1038
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: Um that's another topic. Hey, Uh, final question for you body,

1039
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: how do you move forward? Just continue what I'm doing

1040
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm trying to stay positive and um really

1041
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: just focusing on the good of my life and knowing

1042
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: that there is this whole other side to this that

1043
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: I'll get to. I might take a little bit of time,

1044
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: but um, like I said, I am, I am a

1045
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: lucky guy and a lot of aspects of my life.

1046
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: So it's just powering through it and it's moving on

1047
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: like I've always done, like you've always done, like everybody

1048
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: listening to this is always done. That's all I can do.

1049
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: You go see Sean at the booth Camp Jim in

1050
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: Nashville or uh you goldn't go and download this app

1051
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: at booth camp app dot com. Sean Ben, we appreciate

1052
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: you buddy's coming on by. Uh you know in depth.

1053
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: Was really designed to go deep into topics that typically

1054
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: don't get the opportunity to talk about. And we work

1055
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, closely right now with The Bachelor, and um,

1056
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, the show has been something that we've watched,

1057
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: Ashley and I has. I've watched for years for entertainment

1058
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Speaker 1: and for joy and to take our mind off of things.

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Speaker 1: You drink wine, you eat cheese, and you celebrate with friends,

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Speaker 1: and you watch people pick roses. And then sometimes we

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Speaker 1: have instances like Sean's here, like yours and like mine,

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Speaker 1: and I would say every season and most people that

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Speaker 1: participate in the show, they have a story from the

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Speaker 1: show that transcends reality television. And as I said, we

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Speaker 1: worked close to The Bachelor. And this week, on this

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Speaker 1: week's episode, there is a moment maybe the most real, vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: most difficult moment to ever get through in Bachelor history.

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Speaker 1: It it's sobering, it's it's tough, and and and the Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: you know, sent it to us so we can talk

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Speaker 1: about We want to talk about it with you today, uh,

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Speaker 1: and then we also want to talk about it more

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Speaker 1: in depth on Monday. But but here's the scenario. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna watch on Monday. Uh. It's a topic that

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Speaker 1: we've actually broached a couple of times on this podcast

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Speaker 1: with Ashley Spivey a few a few weeks ago. Um,

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Speaker 1: we've you know, I mentioned and on that podcast that

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Speaker 1: I know somebody very close to me who has been

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Speaker 1: a victim of sexual assault. And uh. And on this

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Speaker 1: week's episode of The Bachelor, Kalin and Colton sit down,

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Speaker 1: um for their after date dinner. And and typically with

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Speaker 1: those dinners, UM, it is the time that you're building relationship,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about things that that make you who you are.

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Speaker 1: It helps the Bachelor Bachelor understand the contestants better, and

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Speaker 1: it helps the audience and understand the contestants better. And

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Speaker 1: we've said it last week actually actually that you know,

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Speaker 1: there was something about Klin that we just weren't getting yet,

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Speaker 1: Like we felt like there was more to this story

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Speaker 1: and we thought that like that we we kind of

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Speaker 1: she had brought up topics about herself. She had said

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Speaker 1: there's more to me, you know, than than when I'm communicating,

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Speaker 1: But we didn't know what that was. And this week

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Speaker 1: we found out what it is. And so Calin sits

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Speaker 1: down with Colton and shares with him that in college,

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Speaker 1: she was at a party. At this party, her drink

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Speaker 1: was drugged um, and the story continues to wear her

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Speaker 1: herself and I think it was three of her friends

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Speaker 1: find themselves naked the next morning without any memory of

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Speaker 1: what happened the night before. With that, she she concludes,

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Speaker 1: through some some very obvious factors that she was a

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Speaker 1: victim UM and also survivor of sexual assault. As I'm

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Speaker 1: watching this, it's obviously d but it's obviously UM a

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Speaker 1: moment that she's sharing now with the world. Colton is

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Speaker 1: listening to her and I and I just felt like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this seems to be a topic once again that continues

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Speaker 1: to get brought up. How often does this happen? How

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Speaker 1: many people are out there saying I am a survivor

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Speaker 1: and I have been a victim of sexual assault? And

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Speaker 1: this is what I found out. According to a study

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Speaker 1: done in this year of women admit to being a

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Speaker 1: victim of sexual assault, eight percent of men of our populace. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but we have the clip from The Bachelor this Monday night.

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Speaker 1: I just want to clarify you guys, this isn't a spoiler.

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Speaker 1: This is something that ABC gave to us because they

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Speaker 1: want us to open this dialogue on the topic and

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Speaker 1: for you guys to all watch it so that you

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Speaker 1: can come to us with some of your thoughts and

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Speaker 1: feelings and we can discuss it more on our regular

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Speaker 1: show on Monday night. Thank you, Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: you have it to open up to me too. M hm. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think that's maybe why I feel so safe

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Speaker 1: with you. You're incredibly strong, you know. Thank you. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I've been through hell and back, but I

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Speaker 1: think every time I opened up, it makes me stronger,

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Speaker 1: and I'm able to take a little piece of me

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Speaker 1: back that was broken by I'm way stronger than I

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Speaker 1: ever imagined. H Okay, I wouldn't open up with him

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Speaker 1: about this if I didn't feel so safe with him.

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Speaker 1: Everything about our relationship feels natural and feels real and

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Speaker 1: feels authentic, and it just it feels right. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've ever had like a connection the way that

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Speaker 1: Golden and I have one sounds really sold plight to

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Speaker 1: ourself sort gold lights. This is so beautiful. It just

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Speaker 1: feels like it's us. I know that I can definitely

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Speaker 1: see myself fond in love with him. I'm just do

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Speaker 1: so confident in us. I mean, I don't really know

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Speaker 1: if I have words. You know, it's that was like

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Speaker 1: what probably the deepest moment I've ever watched on The Bachelor. Um,

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Speaker 1: I feel like there is like an amazing amount there's

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Speaker 1: like a there's obviously there's something between them now that

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Speaker 1: is going to be unlike what he has to anybody else,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think you get that vulnerable. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that he's gonna share a moment that vulnerable with

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Speaker 1: another person. So I think they're always going to have

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Speaker 1: like a little special spot for each other. Well. Also,

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Speaker 1: you know we've we've spoken about before and in life

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Speaker 1: in general, let's you know, again, this transcends reality television.

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Speaker 1: Let's not this isn't you know in the vacuum of

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor. Now, let's say in life in general, everybody

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Speaker 1: has a story. You meet Calin for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and you go, there's something more to this woman that

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Speaker 1: I want. I'm understanding. She's beautiful, and she's smart, and

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Speaker 1: she's intelligent, she's she's gritty, but there's something more. And

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Speaker 1: I look at you, Ashley, and I'm saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're the same thing as I would just say about Calin.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, but there's something more. It's our stories behind

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Speaker 1: the layers that pull out who we actually are. This

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Speaker 1: is one of those circumstances we were able to see

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Speaker 1: somebody's story that has now shaped Kalin forever being a

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Speaker 1: victim of sexual soul. I don't want to undervalue or

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Speaker 1: just kind of gloss over what that means, that affects

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Speaker 1: your life forever. I am not a victim, right. I

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Speaker 1: can't claim to understand completely where she's coming from, but

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Speaker 1: what I can say is we can read about it,

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Speaker 1: we can understand it, and we can listen to it.

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Speaker 1: And when we're listening to Calin, we know that shaped

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Speaker 1: everything in her life since then. And I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say that it's nice to hear. I can't find

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Speaker 1: the right word again, but there's something about the way

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Speaker 1: that she told Coulton how because he's a virgin, she

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Speaker 1: feels so comfortable with him. Yeah, um right, because of that,

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Speaker 1: like that he is not a threat to her in anyway,

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Speaker 1: that she just feels cozy. One topic for Monday that

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Speaker 1: I want to discuss his shame. Calin feels an enormous

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Speaker 1: amount of shame coming off of this she brings it

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Speaker 1: up to Colton Um. She holds a lot of regretting

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Speaker 1: her heart about it. She said her friends have kind

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Speaker 1: of covered up. I want to talk to to to you, Ashley.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear or from our listeners. Please email

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Speaker 1: us at been In. Actually I heart media dot com

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01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: about the topic of shame and how much that has

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Speaker 1: affected Calin's life based on a scenario that she did

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Speaker 1: not control that somebody and their wickedness and evilness did

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Speaker 1: to her and now she's talking about it and we

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Speaker 1: want to talk about with you. Make sure you're tune

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Speaker 1: in Monday night to The Bachelor to see uh this

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Speaker 1: for yourself. Um, see the extended clip and have this

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Speaker 1: open dialogue and conversation that Caitlin has helped us start. Um.

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Speaker 1: We know it's been heavy you guys today. It's been

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Speaker 1: a deep episode, but we enjoy you guys being here

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Speaker 1: with us and getting getting to know people on a

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Speaker 1: deeper level. We look forward to Monday night and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you then. Ashley. It's good to see you.