1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,079 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, d J. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Bucky back with you here, Buck. How you doing, man, man, 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm great. DJ, like the football world keeps giving us presents, 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: and so with the signings, with the franchise tag deadline 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: coming up, there's a lot to talk about. Not to 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: mention that the draft is only a couple of months away. 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Oh man, I am. I am cranking on guys. Uh, 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: just trying to get all these guys watch. I've got 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: a conference call next Tuesday, I believe. So I'm just like, 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of a deadline I've set for myself. Um, 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: I have the combine list of players, which is like 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: three thirty guys. I don't think i'mnna be able to 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: get quite finished with that. Um, you know, hopefully to 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: be getting there. Um, we're gonna have a fun show today. 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna have Bruce Fellman visit us and talk about 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: the change in technology. We've talked about this over the 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years about where everything's going 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: with scouting. He just has a brand new article up 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: on the Athletic UH, talking about some of the innovation 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: in that space. So how to has to visit with him. 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: We'll let you hear that conversation. I want to get 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: into J. J. Watton his signing with the Arizona Cardinals 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: here in just a moment, Buck, But I've got to 25 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: tell you a story and a little bit of a warning, 26 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of a warning shot for you. I uh, 27 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I went up to Orange County where a bunch of 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: these guys were working out, and one up there to 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: just kind of help him go through like a mock 30 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: pro day. And I thought, you know, probably there just 31 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: like clock a couple of forties, you know, kind of 32 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: be on the periphery, and then we get there and 33 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: end up actually doing basically running kind of a pro day. 34 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: And this is something that I haven't done since like 35 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. And Dre was there, who used to 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: be who used to be with the Chiefs, and he 37 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: told me he's going to be joining you for another 38 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: one of these coming up. I don't know it's in 39 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: the next few days. You're doing, Yes, let me just 40 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: tell you. Let me just tell you. And I was 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you who it was afterwards. But I got 42 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: on the phone because we did some you know, did 43 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: some stuff inside and we went out to the field 44 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: and did the testing stuff out there. So during the 45 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: drive from the facility to the to the field, I 46 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: called one of our mutual friends and I'm like, dude, 47 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: I gotta do the vertex. I haven't done the vertex 48 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: since like two thousand twelve, like for for the vertical jump, 49 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Like remind me again, I gotta with the reach and whine. 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: So he's what He's like, hold on, He's like, dude, 51 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: He's like, that's a young guy's job. Like you can't 52 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: be doing that. We're house cats. We can't be outside 53 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: in the wild anymore. We were like trained house cats. 54 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, it is true. So 55 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: I'm telling you man, like it's gonna all come back 56 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: to You're gonna be like, man, I forgot to do 57 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: half this crap A look, DJ. It is funny because 58 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: it's coming up, uh this week, having a handful of 59 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: guys that I'm working out and kind of assisting in 60 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: terms of running the workout, and I am just trying 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: to figure out, like, hey, how do I even hold 62 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: my fingers on the stop Watch when I'm talking before um, 63 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: what what do I do when I'm measuring out the 64 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: broad jump and those things in haven't forbid. I didn't 65 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: want to do the vertex when I was in the league, 66 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: so I can't even I can't even imagine. Look all that, man, 67 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: I remember the trick where if you get so many blues, 68 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: like you just go by plus six and we would 69 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: already move out eight like eighteen and those things. So 70 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: you just have to do that. But it's it's a 71 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: long time. I'm gonna need someone to be able to 72 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: to really help me when it comes to being able 73 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: to do it, because it is a unique challenge and 74 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: a unique set of circumstances for someone who hasn't done 75 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: in a long time. Yeah, it was nice to be 76 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: outside though everything was safe road, you know, a safe 77 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: distance out there on the field. But it was a 78 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: beautiful day and just man, it was a day of normalcy. 79 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: Buck you know, we we uh they say, you don't 80 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: know what you got till it's gone. But to just 81 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: be out on a football field and watching guys work 82 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: out and and uh man, it was. It was an 83 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: enjoyable day. Had had a blast. You're gonna love it. Yeah, 84 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see, let's see if it makes me 85 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: feel in the stabgic or if I'm like, yeah, I'm good. 86 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back over here in front of the 87 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: camera and kind of do what I do. The house cats, though, 88 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, is that out a great line? I was like, 89 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: that's we are domesticated housecats, absolutely, because we're definitely not 90 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: built for the wild anymore. All right. Thoughts on J J. 91 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: Watt to the Cardinals. Look, I really love the pick 92 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: and I like the fit um. I like the fifth 93 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: because Vans Joseph has coached J. J. Watt before. When 94 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: J J. Watt when his first Defensive Player of the 95 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: Year Ward Vance, Joseph was the defensive bass coach on 96 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: that staff, and so he certainly understands what J. J. 97 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Watt is at his best. Now He's not the same player, 98 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: being a thirty two year old player, but he understands 99 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: what J. J. Watt has been exposed to. He understands 100 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: how people have used him in different spots. I think 101 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: the big challenge will be who is the guy that 102 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: moves around more? Is it Chandler Jones or is it 103 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: J J. Watt? Because when I look at the numbers, 104 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: J J. Watt spent about seven hundred of his eleven 105 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: hundred snaps on the left edge, and so that's also 106 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: where Chandler Jones plays. So does J. J. Watt kick 107 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: inside maybe to the five technique in a three or 108 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: four defense? Does he go to the other side on 109 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: the right side and do something that is really different 110 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: for him? How does Van's Joseph elect to use J. J. 111 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Watt to take advantage of his versatility but also his 112 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: past rushing prowess, Because now you have two guys who 113 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: ranked one in two in terms of the number of 114 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: sacks two twelve. Yeah to me, I'm gona let him 115 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: rush on guards man, kick him in and let him 116 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: rush next to to Chandler Jones. That will be fun. 117 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: And we gotta see what they do with Ussan Reddick, who, 118 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: even though he was really productive and it's it was 119 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: a great fit in this defense. I don't think he 120 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: fits everybody in terms of having a place for him 121 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: to call home on first and second down. So the 122 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: production might you might think, man, he's just he's gonna 123 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: price himself out of Arizona. I think he's more valuable 124 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: to Arizona than most other teams. So hopefully they can 125 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: find a way to get him back, um, and then 126 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: now you can really have some fun with those three rushers. Yeah, 127 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: I think that's that's really important because I I do 128 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: wonder what are they going to do with us On Reddick, 129 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: who had eleven and a half sex I want to 130 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: say five and a half of those came in one game. 131 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: And when we've talked about positionist ball and deft flexibility 132 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: that you want to have on your defense, when now 133 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: you look at J. J. Watt and Chandeler Jones maybe 134 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: being able to move around because Chandeler Jones has certainly 135 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: done that, Hassan Reddick if he comes back his flexibility 136 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: and versatility to play a hybrid position, Isaiah Simmons being 137 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: another versatile player, and then Buddha Baker. You're talking about 138 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: really being able to cobble a bunch of different combinations 139 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: to come after defenses in an NFC West that is 140 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: loaded with quarterbacks. Man, you're talking about giving Vantage Joseph 141 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: a lot of ammunition to play with. I like what 142 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: they're trying to do. If they can assemble and keep 143 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: has On Reddick to go with the crew that they 144 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: already have in place and I'm still jilted after our 145 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: pinky swear we were in on the Cardinals and they 146 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: they screwed us last year, didn't finish up the way 147 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: they needed to. So I'm still a TV D wait 148 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: and see here on how this team comes together, see 149 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: what they do here with their off season, big one 150 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: for Steve Kim in the Arizona Cardinals. All Right, had 151 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: a chance to to sit down with our Bruce Feldman 152 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: to talk about his recent article on The Athletic, which 153 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: is a fantastic read. And uh, I think you guys 154 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: are really going to enjoy this conversation about where everything 155 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: is headed in the world of scouting and development. All Right, 156 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: excited to have our good friend Bruce Feldman from Fox. 157 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: You know him, they're from college football. You also read 158 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: his work on The Athletic, and Bruce, I appreciate you 159 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: joining us today. I guess, uh, you know, first thing 160 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about is is this article 161 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: that you just put up on The Athletic about where 162 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: scouting is kind of heading and and really overall development 163 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: is heading with the influx of all this new technology. Yeah, DJ, 164 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: I felt that you scooped me a little bit On Saturday, 165 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: I think Saturday morning, I saw you two meet out 166 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: about the fact that because of no combine, who was 167 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna kind of force some people maybe into an uncomfortable 168 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: space for them, which is, oh, we can't do the 169 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: forty and and look, nobody loves the forty more than me. 170 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: I've been doing the Freaks List for twenty years. But um, 171 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of folks in the data space, and 172 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: it's it's this performance science category that I think has 173 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: really emerged a lot, and it's really emerging now. It's 174 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: something that a lot of people have GPS stuff. Obviously, 175 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: the NFL has really embraced it was Zebra in the 176 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: next gen UH stuff they do, But in terms of 177 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: college football, it's really really been minimal. Indiana was kind 178 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: of one of the first schools to really jump full 179 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: in and then Nick Saban hired UH their performance science 180 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: guy as well as their head of of of development, 181 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: and both those guys last year had a huge role 182 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: for Alabama was their first year and one of the 183 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: things that I heard from people in the industry was that, 184 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: you know what college football coaches have really been given 185 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: this just lip service. I'm like, yeah, we do that too, 186 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: and they have their their data people in the basement 187 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: basically and this you know, pop their head out every 188 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: three months and okay, this guy, this guy's top end 189 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: was one two miles prow and that's about for the 190 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: most part. Maybe they'll they'll use it some strength coach. 191 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: I know l s U and Tommy Moffatt were really 192 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: good about how much wear and terror guys were getting 193 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: from practice, so they could kind of dial it down. 194 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: But this part of it. Uh. David Anderson, who a 195 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of folks will remember as a 196 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: slot receiver with with the Texans, he's really become a 197 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: a big name in the data side of things. He 198 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: went to do on t usc for his NBA and 199 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: then worked for Second Spectrum, which is really a pioneering 200 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: um analytics folks who are with the NBA. And one 201 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: of the things he pointed out I heard a lot 202 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: from this was that it's basically not knowing the right 203 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: questions to ask and the what the what the data 204 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: you need to get is what makes it relevant. So 205 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, Afford, he can definitely be relevant 206 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: for for certain player is on the field, but is 207 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: it how relevant for for most of the guys who 208 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: are actually on the field and how much does it translate. 209 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: So UH and Dave Anderson's group now Breakaway Data, who 210 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, by by the way, have bought all in 211 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: on and they're really supporting it. UM have really talked 212 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: about They took a lot of the things that they 213 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: beta tested and did through the XFL Combine, created their 214 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: own combine drills and you can see one of the 215 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: drills that we we linked to in the story on 216 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: the Athletic And it's fascinating to see where this is 217 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: going because there's just so much information that, as Dave 218 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: was pointing out, that people already have at least the 219 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: teams have that they don't know that they really have 220 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: or don't know how to access. The one aspect of 221 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: this I thought was interesting. With a lot of it 222 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: is interesting, but you know, not just from the evaluation standpoint, 223 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: which would benefit UM, you know, the college coaches as 224 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: well as benefit the NFL personnel departments is trying to 225 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, sort and rank players. But it was the 226 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: feedback to me that you're giving UM two players to 227 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: be able to help them and even to motivate them 228 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: in some instances, And I was thinking of UH, you 229 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: know baseball where that is, and you you know, you 230 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: see the exit velocity, and so a hitter can kind 231 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: of know where he is if he's in good form 232 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: because his exit velo was where it needs to be. 233 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: Or the spin rate for a picture is maybe a 234 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: little bit off and so we need to work to 235 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: refine that. But to me, I think it was Naja 236 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: talking to the story about Naja Harris about kind of 237 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: what output he was having in practice, and it's like, WHOA, 238 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: I just hit this number. Okay, now let's try and 239 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: move the bar a little bit further. But almost in 240 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: some ways like a motivational tool exactly. So Charles Huff 241 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: was the running back coach at Alabama and really Naja 242 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: really blossomed under him the last couple of years. You 243 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: look at I think he had twenty touchdowns in thirty 244 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: touchdowns this year this past year. And um one of 245 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: the things that I think Huff has been really good 246 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: at because he was also say quans running back coach 247 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: at at Penn State. And I was like, Okay, he's 248 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: going to be interested in talk to you for this. 249 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: Because when se Kwon was a freshman at Penn State, 250 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: he obviously was a terrific debut season, but they talked 251 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: about how did they get him better? One of the 252 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: things he needed to work on, and I think they 253 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: work with specific coaches in the in the track program 254 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: to come up with some drills so he wouldn't get 255 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: ever get walked down by anybody or certain things. And 256 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: obviously he flourished with Najie Harris. One of the things 257 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: that Huff was saying is Okay, this guy. Now, it's like, okay, 258 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: you hit twenty one miles per hour. What does that 259 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: really mean? And what does that feel like? And I 260 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: think for an elite athlete, especially a highly motivated guy 261 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: like like Harris and like what you have a lot 262 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: of players were talking about is they are so wired 263 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: um for certain things. And so he said, you know 264 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna try to Let's try to get when 265 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: you break open, try to hit twenty one to today, 266 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: try to hit twenty one three, and all of a sudden, 267 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: it's like get to five. And Huff's point, which I 268 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: thought was a intest thing one was he was like, look, 269 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: he's a really this day and age, kids are very tangible. 270 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: They need to see it. And when you can show 271 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: them this is what this is, what this feels like, 272 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: this is what this is is what we're working to. 273 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: You're making it a game within the game, and you're 274 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: really helping them because as you know, guys get better 275 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: on Monday through Friday and especially in college. And so 276 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: that was a key part about again, uh Dr Matt Ray, 277 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: who is really the guy who heads this program at 278 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Alabamah next Stateman hired a year ago. A lot of 279 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: the stuff he brought really resonate with people. What's interesting 280 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: is the Dodgers have been out in front on this 281 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: field and performance science of anybody in American sports. And 282 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: the head of their program, Brandon McDaniel, he actually uh 283 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: got his Masters under Matt Ray like eleven years ago, 284 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: and so the Dodgers have a ton of resources. As 285 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: I said, the Dodgers really backed um Breakaway eight. It 286 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: was this is with Dave Anderson and Steve Garrett who 287 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: also I think the one of the key things with 288 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: these guys is they worked in the NFL. I mean Dave, 289 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, as I mentioned in the story, you know 290 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: Dave was is in the Colorado State Hall of Fame 291 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: as a receiver. He goes to the NFL and He's 292 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: in the same receiver room with Andre Johnson and Jacobe 293 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: Jones and and uh Trendon Holiday and some freaky athletes, 294 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: and you kind of realize, where do I fit in 295 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: the hall of this and what do I do? And 296 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: Anderson's point even back then before he he kind of 297 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,479 Speaker 1: he was very always, very curious. But he said, Kyle Shanahan, 298 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I had my best years when Kyle Shannon was the 299 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, which was oh eight, No. Nine in Houston, 300 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: And he said, Kyle Shanahan was really good and knowing 301 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: what each player did and and hatering it the things 302 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: they did. And if you look back at Anderson's numbers, 303 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: I think, uh, he was like third or fourth in 304 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: the NFL in catch percentage that year where they were 305 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: putting up, you know, really big numbers in two thousand 306 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: eight and two. I was and nine relative to to that, 307 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, that time of football. And I think it's 308 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not necessarily sure how far along 309 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: Kyle was in in studying all that stuff. But Dave 310 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: was talking about the specific kind of routes and then 311 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: he goes even further with it where he will say, listen, 312 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: if you know this information then you can specialize how 313 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: you train athletes where it's like, you know what, maybe 314 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: we need to redevelop these secondary muscles because this is 315 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: how this why I know because I was a slot receiver, 316 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: I know what my body needed was different than what 317 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: somebody on the outside or what's say Reggie Wayne or 318 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison. The kind of the kind of load that 319 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: they were taken on. I think for people inside football, 320 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: it's been interesting because I've gotten a ton of feedback 321 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: from people in football in the last day because I 322 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: think they kind of get where this could go. Whereas 323 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: if you're a fan, I'm not sure if you pick 324 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: up on on load as as like you know, the 325 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: foreign science people talk about it are certain in the 326 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: routes or the routes that they wanted to test people 327 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: in for the XFL, or the kind of drills they 328 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: wanted to do with with edge rushers or offensive alignement 329 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: based on what they could chart and track because of 330 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: the because of the data and the chips that are 331 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, basically in what they're wearing. Yeah, I'm I 332 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: just wrote down some common um draft phrases you'll see 333 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: in reports, right, and these are things that they're somewhat nebulous. 334 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: It's just kind of based off of a field when 335 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: you watch a guy. And what intrigues me is that 336 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to quantify some of these things. 337 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: So we'll say a corner is always in position. Well, 338 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: once we have the same GPS data on both teams 339 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: on the field, like we have in the NFL, which 340 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm hoping eventually get to the point where it's uniformed 341 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: by conference because there's different companies you can use. If 342 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: you had it uniformed by conference, then we'll have that 343 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: data relevant for both teams on the field. So you say, oh, 344 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: this corner is always in position, Well, we'll be able 345 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: to actually gauge that once you know, once the ball arrives, 346 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: where are they in terms of where they are in position? 347 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: This this guy is always around the ball, Well you 348 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: can you can what some teams are already doing, as 349 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: you can have at the end of the play, you 350 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: can you can sort the distance between where the ball 351 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: carry is and where the defender is. So say you've 352 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: got a defensive tackle and you say this guy plays 353 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: his butt off and he's a great athlete, Well, I 354 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: can quantify that and say he's in the nineties percentile 355 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: for proximity to the ball at the end of a 356 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: play over the entire season among his position. Um, guy's 357 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: got a second gear when the ball is in the air, well, 358 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: you'll be able to actually track that. Once the ball 359 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: goes up, you can see, can a guy find a 360 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: little extra speed? Um, And you talk about just the 361 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: range of a linebacker, the amount of time and distance 362 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: he can cover on tackles. You can take to me, 363 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: the best way to do it is not like the 364 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: number one overall output, but if you average the top 365 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: five outputs over an entire season, I would think that 366 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: would give you a pretty good feel for some of 367 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: these things, right, And so according to you know, Dave 368 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: Anderson said, the potential here is you can sort a 369 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: lot of things into what you're saying. And one of the 370 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: the things that he's stressed to me, which as an 371 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: all Scott, I know you know this is how critical 372 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: it is in the game or football is about space. 373 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: How much can I how much can I separate at 374 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: the top of my route? How much can I separate 375 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: or how much can I take away whether you're a 376 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: defender or how I do how I operate as a receiver. 377 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: You know, I asked him about Antonio Brown, because Antonio Brown, 378 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: you know, obviously his measurables in terms of he's not 379 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson size wise, He's not John Ross, you know, 380 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: forty time wise. So what is it that that would 381 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: have made him so good when he was so good? 382 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: And the things are, you know, similar to a change 383 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: of Chad Johnson, how you can separate. But also he 384 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: was talking about how good you are when you don't 385 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: have space, right like an Jan Bolden was phenomenal where 386 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: I remember Cam Cameron once telling me something where he 387 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: was out working with Mike Evans and Johnny Manziel the 388 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: same you know. It was down by you in in 389 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: San Diego, and I remember him trying to get Johnny 390 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: to throw the ball. He goes in the NFL that's open, 391 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: and I remember he was like, come over here, and 392 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm standing next to him. He's literally I'm like, oh, 393 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: I can know the toothpaste you have on today because 394 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: I can smell it, you know, like open. And he 395 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: said with you know, an kon Bolden and I think 396 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: he had Jarvis slander at L L. S U. And 397 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: I feel like that was like a comparison to those guys. 398 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, that's something where we know when you're 399 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: talking about comparisons, we're talking about evaluation about this is 400 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: something we can work with, what's really good about it? 401 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: And so when you drill down deeper in that change 402 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: of direction, certain things that they can really UH tests 403 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: were engaged. Now what I think what you said um 404 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: a minute ago about the different companies and what is 405 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: what is something I hadn't thought of until Dave pointed 406 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: it out in the story was in college, a lot 407 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: of schools have GPS data in the NFL because of 408 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: the deal with Zebra, which is a different UH technology 409 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: company which has the chips and the shoulders, but everybody 410 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: has them on everybody on the field, and so it's faster. 411 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: It's twenty five frames per second as opposed to the 412 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: GPS I think is fifteen. But also his point to 413 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: me was it's a little like in college, if you're 414 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: watching film, you're only watching film of the eleven guys 415 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: on your team. You don't because you don't have the 416 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: data on the other guys on the field. So he said, 417 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: it's like you wouldn't watch film and just watch the 418 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: eleven guys on your team. It without the defense to 419 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: know really how people are reacting, and in the NFL 420 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: you already have that. He said, I think it would 421 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: be great if if you're the Pack twelve and you 422 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 1: want to be built as the Innovation League, go do 423 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: that deal because you can get a competitive advantage. Now, 424 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: he goes, I think the SEC would be the first 425 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: ones to kind of do this because it's gonna cost money, 426 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: but they can be able to sell it to It's 427 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: it's going to give us a competitive advantage, but it's 428 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: also going to help us because we're gonna drill down 429 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: deeper into the numbers and we can develop players better 430 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: based on the science that we're getting. Yeah, I love 431 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: the fact of being able to be watching the game, 432 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: and whether that's SEC, the Pack twelve, or what have you, 433 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: but being able to watch a punt return er take 434 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: off and then you know, maybe it's the replay you 435 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: want to do it. But then you see the real 436 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: time GPS numbers right underneath him, and you see the 437 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: guy chasing him with his real time GPS numbers, and 438 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: maybe he catches him because you can see how much 439 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: faster he's going. But it would make to me, it 440 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: would be more entertaining just from a fan standpoint, as 441 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: well as all the information that the teams in the 442 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: league would be able to get as well as UH 443 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: as well as evaluators. Evaluators will be able to get 444 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: at the next level. I mean, it's it's fast to 445 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: ask you. One of the better players I've seen in 446 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: the last couple of years was Salino, who found a 447 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: USC safety. You know, you can get into a bunch 448 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: of wear and tear on him. But I remember they 449 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: played Arizona UM and I don't remember the receiver. It 450 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: wasn't like Arizona had a bunch of great receivers this 451 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: past year. But you watch some of the USC defenders, 452 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: You're like, Wow, these guys are I don't know what 453 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: they run in the forty, but I know on that 454 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, like on some of these plays, they have 455 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: guys who are getting you know, people are running away 456 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: from them. And if I was a coach I'm evaluating 457 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: some of these guys, I would I'd be very curious 458 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: to see some of those things, because then you have 459 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: you would have access if you did have that data 460 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: of what what the numbers crunched. And it doesn't mean 461 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: that those guys aren't gonna be good players. But I 462 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: just think it gives you a better picture than Okay, 463 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: this guy. You know. One of the things that I 464 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: think has come up a little bit when you talked 465 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: to two people inside the industry is these drills that 466 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: happen in Indie. Are people are training for specifically for 467 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: the drills for weeks and months, right to run a 468 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: better forty time, to run a better three cone, you know, 469 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: whatever it is. And that's great, and I'm sure you 470 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: know that can help you. But if you were doing 471 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: the same, if you were, you know, using the model 472 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: or the standard to be what are these things that 473 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: really are truly relevant in the game. I think it's 474 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: a little different than because it's not to say you're 475 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: cheating the drills. If you got faster to get faster 476 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: in the forty for your any time, you wouldn't think 477 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: that that all of a sudden you're to go back 478 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: to being not so fast after the combine ends. But 479 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: I think when it's in real time, when it's when 480 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: it's stuff that's relevant, directly relevant on the field, um, 481 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: I think you guys can can take a lot more 482 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, I think I don't think the forty 483 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: is going anywhere anytime soon. But I do think what's 484 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: going to happen is you're going to um, you know, 485 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna have these percentiles, right, so you're gonna have 486 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: is all this data which a lot of these teams 487 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: are collecting on these college kids and say, Okay, based 488 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: off the GPS information, this kid's in the eighty five 489 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: nine percentile for corners. So I'm not really worried about 490 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: his speed. Now, if he goes out and runs a 491 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: really runs a four six eight forty, then it's like, okay, 492 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: let's make sure that we you know, let's let's do 493 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more homework on him. It caused you 494 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: to go back a little bit. But if he runs 495 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: four or five flat and I've got him in the 496 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: ninetieth percentile, I'm gonna say, you know what, this guy 497 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: plays more four four than four or five flat, I'm 498 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: not gonna you know, I'm not gonna put anything into that. 499 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: I think it's just a nice cross check you're gonna 500 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: be able to use. Yeah, And I be curious to 501 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: see for some of those guys who you look back, 502 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: I felt like they were like raider players all up. 503 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: You know sometimes where they would draft the fastest guy 504 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: at a at a position years ago, if you'd look 505 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: back and say, if you had this data and some 506 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: of these things that Dave is talking about specific to 507 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: the position, and if they had those to say, Okay, yeah, 508 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: this guy ran a four for eight at at this weight. 509 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: But when you know when he ran the who this 510 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: is what his numbers were and how it was different. Um, 511 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: because I think sometimes and this is when I worked 512 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: on that meat market, the book, the recruiting book, like 513 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. I remembered like in my head, this 514 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: is now, this is two thousand and five, two thousand 515 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: and six. You know, at Ozaron was at an old 516 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: miss and they would do their you know, their workouts 517 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: at at at summer camps or whatever, and they try 518 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: to get their value. They're verified numbers. But sometimes you'd 519 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: see a kid and you're like, okay, this guy's number measurable, 520 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: seemed like they're really good, and then they get them 521 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: and he'd go, yeah, he's stiff. That like the immediate 522 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: like when you see somebody who's who's like numbers are 523 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: really good in the production isn't really good? Um, It's 524 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: like what where was the where was the where did 525 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: we missed? Right? If it would come back to that 526 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: where stiff and I remember thinking back, like you know, 527 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, Taylor Mays was like an all time freak 528 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: athlete and maybe he would have been a great bobs 529 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: letter or something. But like you know, you like you 530 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: wonder what the guy on paper at used on paper 531 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: just in terms of like height, weight, speed and some 532 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: of the other numbers measurables. Um, if you put it 533 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: through a this kind of evaluation, would you get a 534 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: different um? Would you get a different gauge on him, 535 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: or at least a better gauge on Yeah? To me, 536 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: what with the speed thing has always been for me, 537 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: it's just thresholds, right, so you know whether or not 538 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: the guy ran four three two or four four two. 539 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: Like to me, it's like, okay, if I put the 540 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: threshold it, I want corners to be four or five 541 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: flat is kind of the number that you want to 542 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: hit as long as you're four or five flat. To me, 543 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: you don't get any bonus points for being four three 544 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: eight versus being you know, four or four five, But 545 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: can you play? You know, I just want to make 546 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: sure he meets those standard thresholds, and now you're gonna 547 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: have a lot more information to create those thresholds to 548 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: get to whether that's change the direction, whether that's acceleration. 549 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: You know, out of the break, you're gonna have all 550 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: that data to create new thresholds to say, Okay, he's 551 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: just got to hit this mark. Yeah, and again I 552 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: think some of this is gonna because you will drill 553 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: down so much deeper. Now we're talking to talking to 554 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: Brandon McDaniel, who's that with the Dodgers. One of the 555 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: things that you know he's looked at from a just 556 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: the bigger than football aspect of is if you have 557 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: if we know some of these things about our athletes, 558 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, now, not just can we do it 559 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: in the evaluation, but we can we can hear things 560 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: specifically towards what they do well, but also not just 561 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: what they do well, where we know there may be 562 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: a little deficient and so you know, it helps you, 563 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: It should help you as a coach, not just on 564 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: the evaluation side in terms of okay, you know these 565 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: are these are situations where people aren't balanced in terms 566 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: of they Sometimes people are better to the right than 567 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: they are or their left I'm not talking like an 568 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: NBA player going to his right, but just in terms 569 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: of their body mechanics. And it's like, yeah, we can 570 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: know some of that stuff, but it's like putting people 571 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: truly in the best position to succeed. Um. Now, I 572 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: know in in the NFL, I mean they scout the 573 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: heck out of every detail, so you're gonna know where 574 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: somebody is dominant to one or the other. But I 575 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: think that just gives them a can give them a 576 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: better picture. And one thing that I heard a lot 577 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: from the last week working on this story was just 578 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: which college coaches are really receptive to it, which just 579 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: are very uncomfortable with going too far in that road. Yeah, 580 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: it's it's where it's headed. Man. To me, it's it's 581 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot like the old school baseball guys. Either either 582 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: gonna hop on this train you're gonna get run over 583 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: by it, because it's it's heading. It started with European soccer. Um, 584 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: it's made its way to baseball, and I think football 585 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: really is kind of just in its infancy here with 586 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: this thing. But it's it's where it's going. I find 587 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: it fascinating. Man. I don't think it's it's really one 588 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: or the other, like the old school scouting versus alt 589 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: the new school information. I think if you look at 590 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: the best baseball teams, they've been able to incorporate both 591 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: of them. Um, and I think that's where football is headed, 592 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: which I think it's fascinating. I would encourage everybody to 593 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: go check out this piece. By the way, go to 594 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: the athletic Um. All of Bruce's work on there is fantastic. 595 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: Anything else you're you're working on coming up here, Bruce, 596 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: so we can promote Uh, you know what I don't 597 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: want to see. There's a story I have that I 598 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: think I just realized it would be right up your wheelhouse, 599 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: but I gotta wait a couple of weeks. It's let's 600 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: just say this, this producing story is gonna be your 601 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: heart right. As I more, I thought, okay, now, so 602 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: that's your right. He's looking. I'm looking forward to the 603 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: deep dive on app States football program coming up from 604 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: this filment on the athletics. So be on the look. 605 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: Closer to your heart than that. Oh wow, maybe it's 606 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: the padres. I don't know where else is closer to 607 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: me than all right, well, uh good, that's a good tease. 608 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: That's a good tease from Ruce. Hey man, Bruce, I 609 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: appreciate your friendship over all these years and keep knocking 610 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: out of the park man. It's always musty And when 611 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: when you post something out there, we appreciate you. I 612 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: appreciate you. DJ. Good luck to your padres and uh, 613 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: you know you're the best man. Thanks, Thanks bud Well Buck. 614 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: I feel like this is uh, you know, it's kind 615 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: of an ongoing conversation we've been having on the podcast 616 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: here for the last couple of years. We've talked about 617 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the technology being able to help you in evaluation. UM. 618 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: I think what Bruce has done here is interesting is 619 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: seeing how this technology can help in the development of 620 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: some of these players and and and what I'm really 621 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: encouraged by is that a lot of these guys are 622 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: hungry for this information, similar to the baseball players. Let 623 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: me know what my outputs look like, and let's see 624 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: if we can't ramp those up in practice. Yeah, DJ, 625 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: I think this is fascinating because we're seeing sports science 626 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: come together. For a long time in Europe and soccer, 627 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: this has always been a part of whether they do 628 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: being able to track and measure the amount of output 629 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: the GPS stuff, being able to utilize that, but now 630 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: bringing it to football and being able to get um 631 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: a more accurate read on output and expenditure and those things. 632 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Some of that stuff is already filtered into the way 633 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: teams conduct their practices and when they give guys days 634 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: off and understanding load and load management and all of that, 635 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: but now on the scouting side, also being able to 636 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: utilize it. I think when you have this technology and 637 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: when you have this this data that you can utilize 638 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: to put your players in your team in the best 639 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: position to succeed, I think you have to utilize it. 640 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of the dawn of a new 641 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: era as we talk about NFL football and the way 642 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: that we would utilize these new technologies. Yeah, man, what 643 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't give to have my hands on the information 644 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: that some of these teams have right now with all 645 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: this data, especially in a year with no combine, just 646 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: having all those resources. And again I come back to 647 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: kind of thresholds, right Buck. I mean, I'm not I 648 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: don't need guys to be at the very top, but 649 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: you can kind of set a threshold say okay, this 650 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: is a there's a minimum here to be a productive 651 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: player at this position. And uh, you know, if you're 652 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: looking at let's just take forties for example, if you've 653 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: got a forty that you run four three two or 654 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: four four two, I'm not gonna give you that much difference. 655 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm good you met the threshold four or five. Oh, 656 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of the threshold. Anything below that, I'm straight. 657 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm good, you know. I think that's that's what it is. 658 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: And it's funny because we've always talked about forty times, 659 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: but yet as evaluated, we were asked to estimate game 660 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: speed versus tim speed. And there are plenty of guys 661 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: who have great time speed, but when we put the 662 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: pads on in the helmet and we put the ball 663 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: in their hands, they don't play to the speed. And 664 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: there are other guys who play much faster, whether it's 665 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: the instincts, the reactions, they just play like their hair 666 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: is on fire. And so being able to get these 667 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: these these real time uh the real time information on 668 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: outputs and mouth hour and all that other stuff, I 669 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: think it only will help you make better decisions when 670 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: it comes to the drafting process. Yeah, I mean, I 671 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: go back to the old Ravens things we've talked about 672 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: it forever, speed, toughness, instincts. And if you think play 673 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: speed with that and you can give it a letter, 674 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: you can give it a number. I mean, you can 675 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: just do a through f right and say, okay, play speed. 676 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: He's got a play speed, he's got B play toughness, 677 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: he's got B play instincts. You know, sometimes that is 678 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: is a simple way to go about doing it. It 679 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: really is a simple way of going about doing it. 680 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: In DJ. It takes us back to what we believe 681 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: to be the puriest form of evaluation, which is off 682 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: the tape and how people play. Went Now, when you 683 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: take that and even though the play speed is derived 684 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: off of technology, it is happening in game, and so 685 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: it's less about the Olympics and more about how a 686 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: player plays. I think it makes it easier for a 687 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: scout to stand on the grade knowing that the evaluation 688 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: really is done between the lines, no doubt. Um, anything 689 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: you want to add on to this or any other topics, 690 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: buck before we before we get out of here, I 691 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: do want to remind everybody Thursday, three pm Eastern time, 692 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: the video show is going to be on the network. 693 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: So the movie sticks show, which is gonna be a 694 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: awesome one. We've got, uh. You know, we we've been 695 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: doing comparisons with pro players, um, and so we've got 696 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: a really cool feature. We're gonna be interviewing a pro 697 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: player that we've compared a college player too in this 698 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: draft class and let him almost kind of evaluate him 699 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: and see what he thinks of the comparison. I won't 700 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: I won't give it away who it is, um, but 701 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a fun part of that show. We've 702 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: got some other really cool features coming up on this show. 703 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: So that's Thursday, three pm Eastern time. That will be 704 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Yeah, a lot of fun, man. I 705 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: really love what we're doing. I love how it's all 706 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: coming together. We're really getting ready for all parts of 707 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: the team building process, free agency, the draft. Can't wait 708 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: to see how all of this plays out. Yeah, it's 709 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: gonna be fun. We appreciate you guys hanging with us 710 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: here again. We're cranking through all these players. We continue, 711 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: uh to give you our evaluations on those as we 712 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: marched towards the draft. We're gonna have we're gonna blow 713 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: out the Pro Day coverage this year as well, because 714 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: no combine We're gonna have all kinds of Pro Day 715 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: coverage on NFL network. I believe that's gonna kick off. 716 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: I want to say March eleventh around there, so be 717 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: on the lookout for that as well. Well, that's gonna 718 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: do it for us. We appreciate you guys hanging with us. Uh, 719 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: it's great to be with Bucky. As always, this has 720 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: been moved The sticks presented by Castro Edge