1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: So we're gonna have a little fun today. I'm not 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: sure if you guys know, but I went to the 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: University of Tennessee. So I'm going to talk to one 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: of my buddies, Clay Travis. 5 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: You know him. 6 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: He's the founder of OutKick. He's a Fox News contributor, 7 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: a co host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton 8 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: radio show. He's out with a new book too, called 9 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: American Playbook, which we're going to get into. 10 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: But he's a huge Tennessee fan. 11 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk a little sports today, talk 12 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: about college football coming up. You know, will sports ever 13 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: get less woke? 14 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Right? 15 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're all tired of, you know, 16 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: tuning in to NFL games or whatever it is and 17 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: getting politics, you know, shoved down our throats, right? Or 18 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: are we ever going to be able to engage as 19 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: a country again in these sort of activities? 20 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: Right. 21 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: He's also recently challenged Keith Oberman to a debate about 22 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: men playing in women's sports. We'll get into that as well, 23 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: also get into a little bit of politics. What does 24 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: he think about the direction of the country. He's called 25 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: for maximum age limits, So we're gonna get into a 26 00:00:51,800 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: whole bunch of things with my friend Clay Travis. Clay Travis, 27 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: nice to have you on again. I know you've been 28 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: on the roads. You've got to be pretty exhausted right now. 29 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 4: I am excited to be home for Labor Day weekend. 30 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: I been on the road for like the last month. 31 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 4: I think I saw you as part of that in 32 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 4: New York City. I know that you've been traveling a 33 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 4: lot as well. We were in the Fox News studios. 34 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 4: I think on a rainy night you were getting your 35 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 4: hair done spectacularly well, and I was trying to look 36 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 4: not totally just like like draggled, because I've been I 37 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 4: got caught in the rain, so if you remember, I 38 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 4: was soaked. They were using the hair dryer to try 39 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 4: to dry my jacket. So that is the behind the 40 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: scenes of television Joy, The Joy, Yeah, The Joy. 41 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: I always like, I've not gotten married yet, but I 42 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: always joke around that TV is like, you know, all 43 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: my friend's weddings where there's all this chaos going behind 44 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: the scenes, but all anyone remembers is this beautiful wedding 45 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: or this great show. 46 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's like all this stuff going on, you. 47 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: Know, So you're also going to be going to the 48 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: University of Tennessee game this week, and so we are 49 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: both Tennessee fans. How stoked are you about college football 50 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: starting up again? And then also, how are we looking 51 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: this season? 52 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 4: I love college football more than anything that is not 53 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: blood related to me. Probably is the way to to 54 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 4: describe how much I love college football. 55 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: So I am ecstatic that it is back. 56 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: I will be watching Tennessee and Virginia a game here 57 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: in my hometown of Nashville. I started going to games 58 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: when I was five years old. You are in a 59 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 4: lum of Tennessee. I was going to Tennessee games for 60 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: like ten or twelve years before you were born. 61 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: And I think Tennessee's gonna be really really good. 62 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 4: You know, nine or ten win season is my expectations 63 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 4: coming off in eleven win season. 64 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: What year did you graduate? 65 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: Well, O, seven, but I did like a victory lap, 66 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: like an extra half. 67 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 4: So seven the last year that you would have been 68 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: there was the last time that Tennessee went to the 69 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: SEC championship game. They played LSU, and I remember correctly, I. 70 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: Went to seven. 71 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: I had great seats. 72 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to Yeah, I was there at that 73 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 4: game as well. And so that was kind of from there, 74 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 4: things kind of have gone downhill. 75 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: So I think we're returning. 76 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: To the years of glory, like when you were at 77 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: University of Tennessee. So so that is that is how 78 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 4: things are going. I think things are going much better 79 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: there and it's gonna be a fun season. I love 80 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: college I mean I will legitimately put on the television 81 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: at eleven am Central Time my hometown of Nashville when 82 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 4: the first games kick off, and I will watch till 83 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 4: one or two am. 84 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: Every Saturday. I watch college football all day long. 85 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: So I actually almost got beat up at that game 86 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: because I was like running my mouth and LSU fans 87 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: are like crazy, and so she actually almost tried to 88 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: beat me up. 89 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, just kidding, I take it all back. 90 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: Did you see that? That would have been a heck 91 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: of a catch things. 92 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. That wasn't wasn't willing to go this far. 93 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: It was just, you know, she was talking crap. So 94 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: I did too. 95 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: And you know, did you see the Morgan Wallen girlfight 96 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: video that has gone viral that's all over the internet 97 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: right now. 98 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: No, I didn't see it. 99 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: Oh well, first of all, there buy the porta potties, 100 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: so all great fights legitimately spill into the porta potty, 101 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: which is a disgusting play to end up anyway, girl, 102 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: there's like four or five different girls. I'm not sure 103 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: which city the Morgan Wall and Fight concert happened, but 104 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 4: it was inside of the porta potty. And I must 105 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: have watched this thing like five different times, Like I 106 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: just could not get enough of the of the chaos. 107 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: So luckily that's not you. 108 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: And it would have been way hard to get video 109 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 4: of the fights back in O seven because everybody didn't 110 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: have super useful iPhones that had you know, perfect cameras 111 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 4: and video taking capabilities on them back in the day. 112 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: No, I didn't want to get no fight. 113 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: I just was you know, when you're younger, you think 114 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: you can like you know what I mean, It's like 115 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: you're you don't really think things through. 116 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 4: Also, it's an SEC football game, so I would imagine 117 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 4: there was a lot of alcohol in all. 118 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: You know, there might have been there might have been clay, 119 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: you know. And then so do you think we're going 120 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: to be good this season? Good enough to buy SEC 121 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: tickets halfway through and then not be able to offload them. 122 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot what you did last year. 123 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, For people who don't know, Lisa went and bought 124 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: SEC Championship tickets, good ones for the game. Thinking when 125 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 4: Tennessee right after the Alabama game, right, is that what 126 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: you mean? Yeah? 127 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it's so excited and I just pulled 128 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: the trigger like an idiot. 129 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 130 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 4: Tennessee was eight to zero going down to Georgia, I 131 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: think if I remember correctly, and Lisa was bragging about 132 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 4: how good a seat she had for the SEC Championship game, 133 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 4: and then the reels came off because it ended up 134 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: Georgia against the LSU, and the demand was nowhere near 135 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 4: what it would have been, for instance, if Tennessee had 136 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 4: been there for the first time in fifteen or sixteen years. 137 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: Both those teams have been a lot. 138 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: Georgia fans obviously spoiled right now and so but the 139 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 4: end result is that you and I were able to 140 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 4: give it to Was it an LSU fan? 141 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: I think yes, But you were kind enough to buy 142 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: them for me and then give them away to a 143 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: veteran and he took his son, which actually ended up 144 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 1: being a really beautiful thing because they had the best 145 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: time and they were sending us photos throughout the game, 146 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: and it was really cool to just see them enjoy it. 147 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 4: You're gonna kill my reputation by sharing too many positive 148 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 4: stories there, but yeah, it was. 149 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: It was pretty awesome. 150 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: It was cool and they really appreciated it, and that 151 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: was so nice of you. 152 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: So I probably won't make that mistake again. But well, 153 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: I guess it wasn't. 154 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: You know it, I didn't end up being a mistake 155 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: because it actually ended up being something really beautiful. But 156 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: as we get into sports season, or football season rather, 157 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: because I guess it's kind of always sports season, there's 158 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: always something going on. 159 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: But will sports ever get less woke? 160 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 4: I think it's starting to already, honestly, And I spent 161 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: a lot of time about this, and this is why 162 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: people say, like, how did you end up? 163 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: You know, I love sports? I just told you guys. 164 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: I mean, I'll spend thirteen fourteen hours watching college football 165 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 4: on Saturday, and I love you know, all sports pretty much. 166 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: But I saw it happen, you know, went from sports 167 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: bringing everybody together, like I've always said, whether you know, 168 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: if you think about, for instance, a hospital and you're 169 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 4: in the break room or the cafeteria in a hospital. 170 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: There's not a lot of things that a neurosurgeon and 171 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 4: a janitor could sit at the same table and be 172 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: considered completely on even ground with each other. Right, the 173 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: neurosurgeon's been in school forever, makes far more money. They 174 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 4: have a lot of things that are different between them. 175 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: But a neurosurgeon and a janitor could have a completely 176 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 4: even and fair discussion about a football team or a game, 177 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: and they would each look at each other as being 178 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: equally worthy of having an opinion on that issue, and 179 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 4: it would bring them together, even though they're in different 180 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: tax brackets, and even though their educational levels might be 181 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: entirely different, and even though their life experiences might be 182 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: entirely different. Sports brings people together, and it cuts across 183 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: identity politics lines. Because I always like to say, Lisa, 184 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: if you win a game and you're in the crowd, 185 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: notwithstanding your brawl with the LSU girl back in the day, 186 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: if you're on the same team, you will turn in 187 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: high five everybody around you, and it won't matter your tribe. 188 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: If your team is winning, you won't think about their politics, 189 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 4: you won't think about their race, their income. You're all 190 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: brought together in fandom and unity, and I think it's 191 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: important to have these common human experiences that bring us 192 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: together as opposed to always tearing us apart. 193 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: And so I have. 194 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: Seen sports basically be riven and torn asunder by identity politics, 195 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: and you could see it happen where all of a sudden, 196 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: instead of arguing whether someone was better or not, which 197 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: is a totally human sports argument, it's like, oh, this 198 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 4: guy's getting treated unfairly because of his race, or this 199 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: guy is a hero because he's pretending to be a 200 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: chick and winning women's sports, and it's just politics by 201 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: another name. And I think it really Lisa went crazy 202 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 4: about twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen is where I suddenly 203 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: saw it go from hey, let's talk about who's going 204 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 4: to win a game to man, America's awful, look at 205 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: how unfairly we treat our athletes. And I think it's 206 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 4: slowly coming back to sanity, but it's been like seven 207 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: or eight years of madness, which. 208 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: Is hilarious because they're treated like king. So it's kind 209 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: of like, oh yeah, So speaking of the. 210 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: You know, men playing in women's sports, you have a 211 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: challenged Keith Olberman to a debate, which I actually think 212 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: would bring people together because I would have to imagine 213 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: there's more people who dislike him than like him, since 214 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: he's crazy. Have you has he responded, What do you 215 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: think the probability of this would be? 216 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: How do you think you would approach the debate? 217 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is what's funny about it, Lisa to me, 218 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: when I grew up, I used to start my morning. 219 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 4: I would sit down in front of the television and 220 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: I would eat my cereal as I was getting ready 221 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 4: to go to like middle school or high school, and 222 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: I would watch ESPN Sports Center with Keith Olberman and 223 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 4: Dan Patrick as the two hosts. And if you had 224 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: told me when I was fourteen, thirteen, fifteen, whatever, Hey, Clay, 225 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 4: one day, Keith Olberman is going to know your name, 226 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 4: I would have been like, no, this is unbelievable, right. 227 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: I would have been like, this is the cool Like 228 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: I would have. 229 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: Been walking on air just thinking, I can't believe that 230 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: this guy that I watch every morning as I get 231 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 4: ready for school and is so fun and engaging and 232 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: makes sports even more fun than it otherwise would be, 233 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 4: He's gonna know my name. And unfortunately he knows my 234 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: name and he's gone crazy. And now I would say 235 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 4: I have amazingly a better career than he did and 236 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 4: does because I'm just not crazy. And what he argued 237 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 4: for people who don't know is Riley Gaines, who is 238 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 4: a former University of Kentucky swimmer that had to swim 239 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 4: against Leah Thomas aka Will Thomas, who is a man 240 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 4: who decided to identify as a woman and became a 241 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: women's champion. 242 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: He's definitely a dude. 243 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: Definitely a dude. 244 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: He has a penis still you know the funniest line 245 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: and you may have to edit this out, but I've 246 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: seen the memes where it's like, yeah, I just won 247 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: this women's championship and if you don't like it, you 248 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 4: can suck my dick. That to me is one of 249 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: the one of the funniest memes that I have seen. 250 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 4: You can leave it, you could take it out, but 251 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 4: it's he won a championship in the five hundred meter 252 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: and Riley Gaines was swimming against him in one of 253 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 4: the races and they tied. And she was otherwise going 254 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: to go to veteran there sorry to dental school. She's 255 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 4: a smart UK grad. Is one a bunch of SEC championships, 256 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: very talented women's swimmer, and this directly impacted her and 257 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: she spoke out about it and said this is not 258 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 4: right then, and I'm paraphrasing Keith Olberman. She's been talking 259 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: about it for the last year or so. Keith Olberman 260 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 4: came out and said, get over it. 261 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: You just suck. 262 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 4: That's why you lost. And it's like, no, she beats 263 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 4: almost every woman. She lost to a six foot four 264 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: dude who decided that he was a woman. And this 265 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: is what everything that's wrong with what I think is 266 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 4: the political nature of sports. And I would have never 267 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 4: believed that we would be in a situation where people 268 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: would be arguing, yeah, if a guy wants to pretend 269 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 4: to be a girl, he should be able to be 270 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 4: a women's champion. And that's where we are. And that's 271 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: what I challenged Keith Olberman on. I said, hey, let's 272 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 4: just debate this. You name the at any time, any place, anywhere, 273 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 4: I will show up. You make the argument that this 274 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 4: should happen. I'll make the argument against it, and let's 275 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: have that conversation. Let's have that debate. 276 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: I think she actually tied him, but that's right. 277 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love when like South Park makes fun of 278 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: it because they just have this like beat like it. 279 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: They'll like, do I think there, I'm trying. 280 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of like one of the episodes and they're 281 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: i think doing an interview and someone's like, yeah, I 282 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: think we should just be accepting, and then they show 283 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: the guy and it's just this like beast of a 284 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: dude that's rid it out. 285 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: It's the macho man Randy Savage that they use, Lisa. 286 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 4: It's the macho man Randy Savage who pretends and decides 287 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: for the old school wrestling fans out there that he 288 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 4: is now a woman, and they just ridicule the idea 289 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 4: that you could be a dude decided to be a 290 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 4: woman and become a women's champion, and that is what 291 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: now is occurring, which is absolutely insane. 292 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: Well, the only thing I know about wrestling is when 293 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: my older brother would watch it and then try to 294 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: practice the moves on me, like jump off the couch 295 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: and try to like closeline me and all the different things. 296 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, so that that's my familiar. 297 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: Well you survived at there's a lot of sisters that 298 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 4: have gone through that. I've got three boys and they 299 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: do the wrestling moves on each other. I like, I 300 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 4: told my wife because like recently they were all the 301 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,239 Speaker 4: boys wanted. 302 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: To do was just go get snacked and watch sporting events, 303 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 3: and like are upstairs was just a total disaster. 304 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: And my wife is like, this is I was like, 305 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 4: this is what living in a frat house is like, 306 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 4: Like you've grown up. You now have three boys and 307 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: you obviously are married to me, and they're becoming teenagers, 308 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: and they're filthy, and they're dirty, and they fight with 309 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 4: each other and they watch sports and uh and they 310 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: stink and this is the house that you live in now. 311 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: Her wife, she's just hopefully. 312 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 4: Basically I'm not kidding, she lives in a frat house 313 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 4: effectively with three boys in me. 314 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: Well, hopefully she can get some time to herself and uh, 315 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna take a quick commercial break. More 316 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: with Clay Travis. I saw you talking on Twitter about 317 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: the need for maximum age limit for presidents. That would 318 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: eliminate a lot of people. You said, after the age 319 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: of sixty five, who would be left in Congress or 320 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: running for president. 321 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: So my analogy on this is, what would you think 322 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: you travel a lot if you walked onto an airplane 323 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: and someone who looked like Joe Biden. 324 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: Was the pilot, I would get off, yeah, yeah, and. 325 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: I would do the plane lady. I would be like, 326 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: this guy is not real. You know what I'm talking about? 327 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: The crazy plan lady. 328 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: I think a ton of people would and that plane 329 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 4: lady would be totally with the rights because they won't 330 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: allow you to fly a major commercial airliner if you 331 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: are over the age of sixty five, because they don't 332 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: think you have the mental and physical faculties to be 333 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 4: able to be responsible for that many people's lives, as 334 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: every airline pilot is every time they take off, end 335 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: until they land. Joe Biden, we have a thirty five 336 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: year You have to be at least thirty five, as 337 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: most people know, to be president of the United States. 338 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: I wish that we had an upper age limit as 339 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 4: opposed to a lower age limit, because I'd be far 340 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: more comfortable with a thirty year old president, even though 341 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: that might be a little bit scary to some people 342 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: because thirty year olds and twenty five year olds can 343 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: make bad decisions. I trust their mental faculty, Lisa, far 344 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 4: more than I do someone of Joe Biden's age or 345 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: someone of Mitch McConnell's age, or someone like certainly Dane Feinstein, 346 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: who's just a total mess. 347 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: It's just sad that we're here. 348 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: When you look at how bad Joe Biden is at 349 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: being I mean it's intentional, Like, you can't be that bad. 350 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: You can't do this much wrong without it being intentional. 351 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 4: Right, So my analogy on this would be a sports 352 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 4: analogy whatever, and so, like, imagine if you spent your 353 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: whole life trying to make it to the super Bowl 354 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: and then you finally made it to the super Bowl 355 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: and you were the starting quarterback and you were sixty 356 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 4: five years old, be a disaster on the field. However 357 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: good you might have been at your peak at thirty 358 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: five or twenty five or whatever, age you were the 359 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 4: best at what you do, you would now be a disaster. 360 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: And I feel like Joe Biden is a good example 361 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: of that. I don't think he would have ever been 362 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: a great president, or even a very good one, or 363 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: even an okay one, but I think he would have 364 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 4: been infinitely better than he is now. And I feel 365 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 4: like if he had done it at fifty five or 366 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 4: sixty as bad as he is now, just go back 367 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 4: and listen to him talk even when he started his 368 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 4: campaign or certainly when he was vice president. He doesn't 369 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: have the ability to communicate now like he did when 370 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: he started his term, but certainly not when he was 371 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: VP for Obama. And I just think it's profoundly sad 372 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 4: that we're in this place as a country where there's 373 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 4: not a like I OutKick. 374 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: There's not a single. 375 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: Job that Joe Biden could do at OutKick, and we 376 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 4: have like, I don't know, sixty employees. If I owned 377 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: a gas station, Joe Biden couldn't do any job at 378 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 4: a gas station other than Walmart. 379 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: Greeter. 380 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that Joe Biden hardly could do any 381 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 4: job in America now, and he's got the most important 382 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 4: job in America. 383 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: And I just find that profoundly sad. I really do. 384 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: But he might even get fired from being a Walmart reader, 385 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: because I'm pretty think you're right, But Clay, I'm pretty 386 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: sure that sniffing hair would be frowned upon. 387 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: And probably you know, hugging little girls for too long 388 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: would also be frowned upon, probably inside of Walmart. But yes, look, 389 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: he can't do if I told you, hey, I've got 390 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 4: a gas station, and you're like, okay, I love it, 391 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 4: I'll sell it to you, and you're like, okay, it's 392 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 4: a good deal. And then I was like, there's only 393 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 4: one catch. Joe Biden has to manage it for an 394 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 4: entire year, and he can't get help from anyone else. 395 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 4: Like the gas station, I firmly believe would go bankrupt. 396 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 4: And I think that's basically what he's doing to the country. 397 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 4: And it's just it's such a disaster that we find 398 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 4: ourselves in this position. 399 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: Quick commercial break, stay with us. 400 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: But I also think sometimes the age is an excuse 401 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: in the sense of, you know, for instance, he had 402 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: said that he got recently said that he got strom 403 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: Thurmond to vote for the Civil Rights Act of I 404 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: think it was an eighteen sixty five. But he's just 405 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: a liar, Like I mean, he's been lying about being 406 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: the civilights rights icon, you know, dating back for forever. 407 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: Right. 408 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: This isn't an age thing, Like he's just a bad human. 409 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't have character. It's a character thing, not an 410 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: age thing. And my favorite lie that he's told, or 411 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: at least one of them, is when he said he 412 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: got arrested trying to visit Nelson Mandela in South Africa 413 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: back in the nineteen seventies, and it turns out that 414 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: he just got separated from his black colleagues at the airport. 415 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: That was the lie. 416 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when you go to Maui and you 417 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: see all of this awful devastation, and your attempt to 418 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 4: connect with people is to say, nineteen years ago, my 419 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 4: house kitchen got on fire and my nineteen sixty seven 420 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 4: corvette got threatened, so I can kind of understand the 421 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 4: dangers and ravages of a wildfire that killed over. 422 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: One hundred people. 423 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I think what happens is so many politicians 424 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: are not that good at their jobs, and they're desperate 425 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 4: to try to make a connection. 426 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: And Biden is a liar. 427 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 4: I think he lies all the time, and I think 428 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 4: he lies a way to try to make himself sound 429 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 4: more like the people that he's speaking to, even when 430 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 4: his life experience there's zero in common for them. And 431 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 4: I think that's sadly kind of the result of what 432 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 4: I would say, the Clinton era of empathy. You remember 433 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 4: back in the day, like I feel your pain. Like 434 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 4: some presidents are good empathizers and do do a good 435 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 4: job of trying to think about what it might be 436 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 4: like for other people, I might point out that Clinton 437 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: didn't do that when he was getting his blowjob from 438 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: an intern. But you know, like that's another story, maybe 439 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 4: not the greatest, maybe a little bit of a failure 440 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 4: of empathy there, I might I might submit, or maybe not. 441 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. 442 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 4: He probably felt that pretty well too, But I would 443 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: say in general that that, to me, is what Biden's 444 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: trying to do. 445 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 3: He's just really bad at it. 446 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: Let's get into your book first. 447 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: So you're out with a new book called the American Playbook, 448 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: A Guide of winning bath the Country from the Democrats, 449 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: which you've been out on the road, you know, going 450 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: to these book tours and that sort of thing. What 451 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: does that playbook look like? As we as we discuss 452 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: politics here, I. 453 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 4: Get it that people get uncomfortable, but I think you 454 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 4: have to just tell people what you exactly believe, and 455 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 4: if you do that, I think that they will. 456 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: Give you a large. 457 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 4: Space, so to speak, because I think there's a desperate 458 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: demand for authenticity and it's not being realized in America today. 459 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 4: So like I have all sorts of laws, every politician 460 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 4: has all sorts of laws, Every human has all sorts 461 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 4: of laws. I actually think people tend to like you 462 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 4: for your flaws more than they do for your talents. 463 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 4: And that sounds strange, but when you really break it down, 464 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: it speaks to honestly acknowledging who you are and what 465 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 4: you are about on a day to day basis. And 466 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: so we mentioned earlier. To me, a perfect jumping off 467 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 4: point is what we talked about earlier, the idea of 468 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 4: women in men's sports are men and women's sports. Because 469 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 4: right now you probably don't have to remember this very much, 470 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: but let's pretend you were back in your days of 471 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 4: the University of Tennessee. You were probably a pretty sorority girl, 472 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: so you probably didn't have to stand in line that 473 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 4: much to get into bars. But as a guy, guys 474 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: stand in line all the time to get into bars, 475 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 4: and a lot of times you eventually get up there. 476 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 4: And there's a big cover charge. And the analogy that 477 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: I would make is the cover charge to be a 478 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 4: Democrat right now is you have to be willing to 479 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 4: admit to a lie, which is the idea that biology 480 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: is not real. Right there is a profound difference between 481 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 4: boys and girls. Right now, Democrats would argue that when 482 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 4: a baby is born that sometimes doctors get the sex 483 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 4: of the baby wrong. That doesn't happen. That's a lie. 484 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 4: Men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women. That's why 485 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 4: sports are separated. It doesn't mean that women are inferior. 486 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 4: It just means that the reason why women compete against 487 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 4: women and men compete against men is the same reason 488 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 4: I coach twelve year old baseball because there is a 489 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 4: difference between a twelve year old baseball player and a 490 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 4: sixteen year old baseball player. There is a reason, Lisa, 491 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 4: why one hundred and twenty pound boxer does not fight 492 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 4: against a two hundred and twenty pound boxer. It's not 493 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 4: because one boxer is better than the other one necessarily, 494 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 4: it's because the two hundred and twenty pound boxer would 495 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: kill the one hundred and twenty pound boxer. We try 496 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: to create evenness of competition within the larger rules. Democrats 497 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 4: right now, as a condition to be member of their party, 498 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 4: require you to say things that are fundamentally untrue. And 499 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: so that is a jumping off point in the book 500 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 4: where I say, I think that Republicans are the party 501 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: now of the First Amendment. We are the party that 502 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 4: likes jokes. We are the party that is anti cancel culture. 503 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: We are the party of personal freedom and responsibility that 504 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: believes in bodily autonomy. And then I also, and I 505 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 4: don't know what your personal opinions are on abortion, but 506 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: I go head on with abortion, and I think you 507 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: have to be willing to just tell people exactly what 508 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 4: you believe, explain it, own it, and let them make 509 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 4: their own determinations. 510 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: Now, I have found myself probably as far right on 511 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: abortion as you can get these days, as I've gotten older. 512 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: I just think a life is a life, and so 513 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you can discount that for any reason. 514 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: But that puts me how to step with, you know, 515 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: probably the bulk of America. 516 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: But I'm okay with that. 517 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 4: So and I appreciate that, and you can have that position. 518 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: My position would be, in the way that I break 519 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: it down in the book is the data reflects that 520 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: ten percent of people believe that you should be able 521 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 4: to have an abortion basically up to the ninth month 522 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 4: of pregnancy. I think that's crazy, okay. And the data 523 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 4: reflects that there are ten percent of people who believe 524 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 4: that life of the mother rape incests that there should 525 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 4: be an abortion right that means eighty percent of the 526 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 4: America is between those two positions. Republicans have to answer 527 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: for the rape incests, life of the mother's side of 528 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 4: the party all the time. 529 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 3: Media is on it all the time. I thought Nikki 530 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: Haley did a good. 531 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: Job of illustrating this, and this is certainly what I 532 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 4: write in the book. Democrats never get answered about asked 533 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: about why thirty eight or thirty ninth week abortions should 534 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: be permissible. 535 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 3: That to me, is the way the conversation has to shift. 536 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 4: We can agree or disagree on where exactly the line 537 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 4: should be drawn. Every state can make its own determination 538 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 4: thanks to Roe VWA being overturned. But I think most 539 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 4: people have both pro life and pro choice impressions when 540 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 4: you give them particular fact patterns, and I don't think 541 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 4: our countries politicians address the vast majority of the American 542 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 4: population on that issue. I think it's a good example 543 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 4: of just say exactly what you believe and also acknowledge 544 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 4: that there's a wide variety of opinions and people can 545 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 4: have their own position, but tell them what you believe. 546 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 4: I think again that desperate craving for authenticity. I don't 547 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 4: think the Republican position is the radical one because a 548 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: wide variety of Republican abortion opinions exist. The democrat one 549 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 4: is the radical one that believes that nine month abortion 550 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 4: should be allowed. 551 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: Well, I also think that people trust you more if 552 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: you are willing to take a stand on as long 553 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: as it's authentic to your point, you're not just manufacturing it. 554 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: But if you're willing to take the hits for what 555 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: you believe, I think that even people who disagree with 556 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: you the position could be won over because they're like, Okay, 557 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: at least respect this person for being honest as opposed 558 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: to you know, telling you something in a primary and 559 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: then shifting your position or you know or whatever it is. 560 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: No, I think that's true. 561 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 4: And I also think, like one of the issues that 562 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: I have in general, I single issue voters. If you 563 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: are no matter in my opinion, what you care about, 564 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 4: If you only care about one issue, I think, frankly, 565 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: you're not spending enough time thinking about issues. Right, Like, 566 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 4: there are so many things I care about, and I 567 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 4: don't presume that every politician is going to have the 568 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 4: same opinion on every single one of them with me, 569 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 4: but I think everybody should rank, you know, like these 570 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: are the four or five things that matter the most 571 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: to me, and I'm going to try to find the 572 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 4: politician that most accurately reflects my overall worldview and then 573 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 4: go support that person. But the idea of like, you know, 574 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 4: I always think about this. I'm sure you've seen it 575 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: the more radio you've done. The moment that I started 576 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 4: doing radio, do you know what one of the first 577 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 4: things I got was an email, an email from the 578 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: listener saying, and I've been doing radio like fifteen, sixteen 579 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 4: years whatever it is now, I will never ever listen 580 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 4: to you again because you said X right. Doesn't matter 581 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 4: what the opinion is. Everybody who's ever done audio, especially 582 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 4: everybody who's done live radio, it's one of the first 583 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: things that happens to you in your career. And the 584 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 4: first few times you get those emails like a little 585 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 4: bit sober, and you're like, wow, I mean, like, man, 586 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 4: that person's never going to come back. And then you 587 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 4: know what happens. That person writes you again, and then 588 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: they write you again, and then they write you again, 589 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 4: and every time they're like, I will never listen to 590 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 4: you again. You're like, wait a minute, you just told 591 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 4: me six months ago that you were never going to 592 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 4: listen to me again, and here you are listening again. 593 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 4: People love to be outraged and love to emotionally react, 594 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: but upon reflection, most people realize that emotional reactions, while gratifying, 595 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 4: aren't actually the best way to govern your life. And 596 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 4: so what I find is the more time you spend 597 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 4: talking to people, the more rational they get. And sports 598 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: is a perfect example of that because as you well know, 599 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 4: you know, every time you pick the winner of Alabama 600 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: Auburn and it's not decided that somebody likes, they want 601 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: to murder you. So like people are like, oh, you 602 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 4: talk about politics now. It must be like somebody's like, no, 603 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 4: have you ever picked in the Alabama Auburn and the 604 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: Iron Bowl or Ohio State Michigan or Boston Red Sox 605 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 4: against the Yankees. Like it's just a tribe and the 606 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 4: tribe is angry if you're not on the tribe side. 607 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 3: But you can't really get that worked up about it. 608 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 4: Because ultimately I can't control what somebody else thinks about 609 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 4: my opinion. 610 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: That's not my job. 611 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to learn the hard way at the 612 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: LSU game. 613 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, you're lucky to be a lot. 614 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: I really am OHSU fans are crazy, except for that 615 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: one guy that you gave the tickets to. 616 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: He was amazing at a sign. 617 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: Do you remember the LSU fan who tea bagged the No, 618 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 4: So that was an Alabama fan who ta bagged the 619 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: LSU fan. 620 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 3: Do you remember that story? No, After Alabama beat LSU. 621 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 4: In the National Championship Game. I want to say, this 622 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 4: is like twenty twelve. I'm sure you've been out on 623 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 4: Bourbon Street at some point, right. 624 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: Yes, wait, no, I'm not really. Yeah, the Bourbon Street. 625 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: Is in New Orleans, like the main drag, and I've 626 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: never been. 627 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: I can't believe you went to an SEC school and 628 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 4: you haven't been out on Bourbon Street. So Bourbon Street 629 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 4: like wild crazy. It's all Alabama LSU fans. So Alabama 630 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 4: wins the National Championship Game, there is a monster. I 631 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 4: think it's still there. A monster Crystals. I bet you've 632 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 4: been to Crystal before if you went to. 633 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: Ut oh, absolutely one. 634 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: So I think that it's still there. 635 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: It's like the world's biggest crystal and they're open like 636 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: twenty four hours and everybody gets drunk on hurricanes and 637 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 4: you know, like at four am you can go get 638 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 4: as many Crystal Burgers or Crystal Chick or whatever you want. 639 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 4: And this Alabama fan, this this LSU fan passes out, 640 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: and this Alabama fan decides, with massive crowds there, to 641 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: put his balls on top of this guy's head while 642 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 4: he's passed out, and and it turns into a major 643 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 4: criminal investigation and everything else. And my point is, maybe 644 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: you got off easy given that you just almost got 645 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 4: a fight with an LSU girl. 646 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: I got very lucky because I didn't think that it 647 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: would escalate like that. I was just like, you know, 648 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: like whatever Tennessee is the but you know, like just 649 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: stupid stuff, and she like, you know, turned it up Tomcats. Yeah, 650 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: I was like just kidding, take it back, all right? 651 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: So where can people find? You're on the road with 652 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the book? Where can people are you still on the road? 653 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: Can people find you out on tour? 654 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 4: I'll probably be on the road quite a bit this 655 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: fall for games. But the book is up at Amazon 656 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 4: American Playbook. I think they'll enjoy it. Look, the goal 657 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 4: was to write a easy, engaging, fun read that you 658 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 4: know it's not. I don't think it's going to revolutionize 659 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 4: the field of political science or anything, but I do 660 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 4: think it'll be entertaining. I think it makes an argument 661 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 4: for how to win a landslide victory and just the 662 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 4: power of logic triumphing over what is very often an 663 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: emotional environment for our country. I feel like everybody's kind 664 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 4: of like a fourteen or fifteen year old adolescent at 665 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 4: times right now, and while that can be fun, everybody 666 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 4: remembers that you typically, as an ager, make a lot 667 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 4: of stupid decisions, and I think that's kind of the 668 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 4: way our country is behaving right now. 669 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to summarize it. Clay 670 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Travis American Playbook, always going to talk to you, my friend. 671 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate you making time. 672 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: No doubt, have a good Labor day. 673 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: And Govalls, Yes, go falls. 674 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: That was Clay Travis out with his new book, American Playbook. 675 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: Go check it out. Appreciate him making the time. Appreciate 676 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: you guys for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you 677 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week. I want to think John 678 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: Cassio for putting the show together Until next time.