WEBVTT - White Sox Trade Targets 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.880 Howard, my husband fell at a construction site. 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:04.440 I knew it wasn't safe. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.680 It ain't and law. We're one of the largest filers 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.360 of workers' compensation claims in the state. If you've been 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.760 hurt on the job, in a car accident, or suffered 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.080 a medical mistake, call three one two six million. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.520 From your favorite source for Chicago White Sox talk, delivering news, interviews, 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:38.120 analysis and more. This is The Socks Machine Podcast with 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.440 your hosts Jim Margolis, James Began, and Josh Nelson. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:45.839 Hello, folks, welcome to you a new episode of The 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.320 Sox Machine Podcast, part of the Foul Territory Network. I'm 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.960 your host, Josh Nelson, and this is a special edition 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.760 episode as the twenty twenty six Major League Baseball trade 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.400 deadline is just a few days away, and we are 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.440 expecting the Chicago White Sox, who are still in first 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.160 place in the America League Central, to be active to 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.200 make some type of move before the deadline. In this episode, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.039 I'm going to be pitching some ideas that I have 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.920 the White Sox could pursue before Monday's deadline. Again, the 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.880 deadline is Monday, August third, five pm Central Time, and 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.680 joining me to look over as far as by trades 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:30.959 and hopefully doesn't judge them too harshly. A Sox Machines 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.600 managing editor Jim Margulus, and hello Jim, it's exciting to 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.120 be on the other side. It's been a while contemplating 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.399 how the White Sox could add before the trade deadline. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:47.720 Yeah, it's weird, it's scary, it's frightening. I you know, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:55.480 what is worth? What is value? This context is new 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:56.360 and alienating to me. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.880 Well, we do have some news. So first case for 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.840 the Detroit Tigers has already been scratched from his start. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.280 The Tigers will not start him until after the deadline. Now, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.640 there is some speculation because his fastball velocity was dipping 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.160 in his previous start for the Tigers. So maybe Maz 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.200 gets traded. Maybe it's for injury reasons. Maybe it's both 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.440 to make sure he doesn't get hurt and that really 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.280 hurts his ability to get moved. But the other big 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.239 name right now, and this comes from Joel Sherman out 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.000 in New York. He tweeted that the New York Mets 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.560 are scratching Freddy Peralta. With interest picking up from contenders. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.839 Maybe the White Sox could be one of those contenders, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.320 as many of the contending teams are looking for starting pitching, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.040 and even though Freddy Peralta appears to be having a 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.320 career worst year with the New York Mets and he 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.360 is a free agent after this season, teams will pursue 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.600 Freddy Peralta, and maybe the White Sox would be one 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.959 of those teams, hoping that he catches a second win 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.200 and is just as effective for his new team as 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:05.440 he was for the Milwaukee Brewers last year. But Jim, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.880 before we really get into my trade ideas and kind 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.120 of rip them apart, let's look over the White Sox 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.880 shopping list. It's still starting pitcher and catcher, right, those 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.640 are the two primary needs I think. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.440 So definitely starting pitcher, I think that's at the top, 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:26.040 just with the amount of innings the bullpen has had 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.720 to cover, with Eric Fetti being carefully managed, with Noah 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.560 Schultz not being able to go five innings regularly, Davis 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.840 Martin not being able to go past five all that 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.160 often as of late. Really it's Sean Burke being the 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.520 one starter can go six, then everybody else is more 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.240 or less. Get them past the halfway points, and it's 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.200 more or less where there starts come to an end. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.600 So yeah, I think starting pitching is probably number one, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.320 or definitely number one. I should say they do have 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.080 a couple of stopgap options in the miners. They traded 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.240 for Jose Keaty, who's been on a roll in Triple A. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.720 There's some question about whether his post second Tommy John 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.320 surgery stuff is actually good enough to retire major league hitters. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:11.840 It could be the kind of thing where he's a 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.320 kitchen sing approach that works well against Triple A hitters, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.960 but against major leaguers he's running against the same kind 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.000 of issues that's limiting the other pitchers on the staff 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.600 to like five innings. There's also Jonathan Cannon, who's been 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.920 pitching better as of late, and he's somewhat known, and 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.800 when he's effective, he can go five six innings. You 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.320 have David Sandlin, who's probably more along the lines of 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.360 Noah Schultz when it comes to trying to figure out 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.159 how he can get the lineup multiple times. So yeah, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.919 I think having a veteran starter that will venable doesn't 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.240 have to think about opening four or pulling the plug 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.920 on after eighty pitches because he knows like the t 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.400 top is going to have some ugly in store for him. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.159 I think is probably number one catcher. They did sign 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.080 Eric Haas, who's right now Rake in Charlotte's he drove 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.560 in five or six runs on a Thursday. He's been 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.400 He briefly caused a stir when he left the game 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.760 early because of dehydration. So everybody is champing at the 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.679 bits to get him in the lineup as quickly as possible, 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.560 even though he's bounced around, because he is this classic 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.600 third catcher, you know, he serves a purpose and hes 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.040 of being a veteran guy. But asked too much from 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.560 him and he ends up on the DFA pile. So 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.039 it's kind of the circle of life for him. But 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.719 he is I think a better option, or at least 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.080 a gives you a better sense of what he might 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.840 be able to provide at the plate versus Drew Romo 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.400 or Edgar Carroll, like the combination of Romo and Carrol, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.239 because he can kind of go back and forth between 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.240 which one of those guys is actually doing a worse 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.160 job at a given time. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.520 If the White Sox trade activity is just jose Yerkidi 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.600 and Eric costume, is that sufficient. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.279 It would be disappointing. I think there's a wide range 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.600 of guys who could help, or at least their presence 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.839 could signal we tried something like Freddie Peralta, for instance, 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:13.520 having a terrible season. He would be a rental. You 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.840 don't want to look at what he did with the 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.120 Mets and say we can fix him and rush to 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.440 give up somebody of value. It's more like the trade 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.560 the arrays makeoff and where we'd like we have somebody 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.919 who's blocked three times over. We're coming up on a 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.520 forty man crunch. You know, at most to give up 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.719 that kind of guy. But he if Peralta showed up 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.640 and it was just Peralta, at least the front offics 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.080 say we added a picture who might be able to 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.520 do something. We have one idea for. The idea might 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.360 not work, but if it doesn't, we can at least 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.280 look back and say we tried something. We brought in 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.240 an external possible solution for a known problem. All the 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.719 other prices we balked at because it just wasn't worth it, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.320 but at least we did something. We had something to 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.279 show for our off season. I think it reminds me 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.039 a little bit of twenty two twenty and although the 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.920 circumstances behind that season were considerably different due to the 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.200 pandemic and the shortened season, everything like that White Sox 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.400 got off to a hot start, look like, oh, it's 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.760 everything's coming together earlier than anticipated, and then they started 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.680 tailing off at the end. And over the course of 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.320 the trade deadline that was weird. Rick O Antario wanted 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.400 to starter the front office. They said they convened with 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.440 you know, rick con had this way of saying, like, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.920 we're going to meet with you know, ten people. We're 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.560 going to talk to Dallas Kichel and Yasmani Grandal and 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.800 Josea Bray, you and Ron Kittle, and you're just basically 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.520 bringing in all sorts of people, say we all agreed 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.680 on this. And the the more he'd invoke that, the 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.760 more he was like, he's just kind of differing responsibility, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.560 and you know, it just seemed like he brought in 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.800 so many people that just led to inaction, and in 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.640 this case that deadline, they said, well, you know, we 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.520 talked it over and we have faith with the team 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:57.920 that we have and so we're not going to shake 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.560 it up too much. And they brought in Jira Dyson, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:00.760 and that was all they had to show for. It 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.680 was like a pinch runner, defensive replacement, very specific use case, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.520 and Rick Rentrio wanted a starter. And sure enough, you 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.520 get to the postseason and you have Rick Rentick Rhea 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.080 bent over at the hips with his hands on his 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.200 knease because he's trying to get his team through a 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.400 opener slash bullpen game, which he never practiced because he 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.560 hated openers and hated the idea of bullpen games. And 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.400 he tried to get something more in the front office 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.080 and give it to him. And then you look at, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.840 you know, years later, in hindsight, well that was one 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.439 of two good opportunities they had with the core that 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.560 they had built. And so I think you at least 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.640 want to try to throw something at one of those 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.640 known problems, so you know, years down the line, when 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.559 you're looking at missed opportunities, you can at least say, well, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.800 we tried something which is better than what the White 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:48.800 Sox did in twenty twenty. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.720 That is a very good history lesson to learn from 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.720 for Chris Scats because I think if it's just your 0:08:55.800 --> 0:09:00.760 Kidi and Haas, that's an f for Chris scats. That's 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.600 not enough to add to your team to outlast Cleveland 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.439 and Minnesota. Jim, I just I just don't think it is. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.480 I would call it maybe like a D D minus 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.920 like HAS is something like based on the catchers available 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.480 and depending on the price that they command and Kevin, 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.800 how many teams are looking for catchers. I could see 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.920 HAS being you know, not meaningfully different from you know, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.360 like Freddy for Mean or anybody else we've talked about 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.199 who might you know command next to nothing or you know, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.720 that's that's all you're looking to add to the position 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:34.800 if you have Kyle Teal coming back and you're still 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.400 planning on Kyle Teal being around for you know, three 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.559 or four year window. So I would say HASP qualifies 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.920 as something but for the position of less need or 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.959 like the the you know, if if they're they're one 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.199 basically they're basically one starting pitching injury away from having 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.040 a crisis. So I think that's what you want to do. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.319 You want to throw a body at the situation to 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.839 where your Orkidi is not the your loan hope should 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.520 to go down. Or Jonathan Cannon given the up and 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.040 down season he's had and basically everything's happened since a 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.360 couple of years ago in terms of his staying power. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.000 Yeah, if has is that guy, I would just like 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.199 to see him with Chicago right now. So that's just 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.000 how I feel. So that's where the White Sox are 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.240 listeners as we're recording this, And this is always a 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.880 gamble when we do these types of episodes because of timing. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.599 I have to stop what I'm doing and get it 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.960 published immediately because we don't know if there's breaking news 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.120 and we have to record a whole new episode as 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.880 an emergency podcast. So please play along. As far as 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.959 with my trade ideas, some of them may come to 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.520 fruition and some of them are incredibly long shots, and 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.480 that's where we're going to start with trade idea number one. Jim, 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:52.040 for me, this is the longest shot. And as far 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.560 as trying to figure out a trade package that would 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.920 entice his team to move this particular player, I'll admit 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.120 I'm grasping at straw. So my offer is this is 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.719 the most I'd be willing to offer if I was 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.800 in Chris Gatz's position to acquire this starting pitcher. And 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.040 my trade idea number one is Redebt Merse with the 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.360 Los Angeles Angels. The more I look into Debt mers One, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.439 I forgot that the team that trades for him or 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.320 the Angels hold on to Debt Merse. They have team 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.720 controlled through the twenty twenty eight season. So it's more 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.640 than just through the twenty twenty seven season, which I 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.160 originally had thought. No, this is two years plus the 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.480 remaining of the twenty twenty six season. He's having a 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.920 career year. He's already hit a milestone. This is his 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.839 first three war season. According to vangrafts dot Com, his 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.599 strikeout rate last year coming out of the bullpen was 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.440 very impressive. He was striking out batters at a thirty 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.840 percent clip back to a starter, and he's still striking 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.480 out batters at a twenty eight and a half percent clip. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.319 Only Grant Tailor of all current White Sox pitchers, has 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.920 a higher strikeout rate than Redebt mer Sean Burke right 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.280 now is at twenty seven point seven percent for that 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.400 strike rate strikeout rate, And if the White Sox were 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.760 to acquire Debt Merse on paper, they are starting rotation 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.719 be led by start three pitchers who have three war 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.920 or better. This season, and Davis Martin, Seawan Burke, and 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.040 of course readebt Merse. This is where I'm going. I'm 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.480 expecting a lot of pushback. What I would offer if 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.400 I was in Chris Getz's position, I would send to 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:32.360 the Angels Billy Carlson, last year's first round pick, Hagen 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:38.080 Smith the year previous first round pick, and Jonathan Cannon 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.880 kind of is an extra piece of this trade. So 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.880 if the Angels needed a starting a pitcher to get 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.599 through the rest of the season, Jonathan Cannon can do that. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.920 And this is where I flipped the table around or 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.840 swing it around and Jim share me your thoughts as 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.840 far as this particular trade offer idea for the White 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.120 Sox to get Readdebt Mers. 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.280 I had to think about it for a while because 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.959 there are a few different ways to look at it 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.040 or approach it, depending on your first impression of it. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.080 Like you look at it, you see Carlson and Smith, 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.959 you see, oh, that's two first round picks. That's a 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:17.800 lot for Debt Meers, especially since Debt Meers has He's 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.960 come back a little bit, but he's had an up 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.000 and down season to where like he started off then 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.480 got into a real hot streak, and now I think 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.400 he's leveled off into this, you know, very you know, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.679 credible mid rotation starter. Still, if he's starting game win 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.200 or game two of a postseason, might feel a little 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:34.880 bit itchy, but at least he misses bats and you 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.079 kind of understand why he would be there. The thing is, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.920 I'm looking at it from the angel side, and it 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.200 feels like maybe just a little bit lights or at 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.600 least if they're trying to drum up competition, I wonder 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.679 if they could shop it around and beat it. Just 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.280 because you're looking at Hagensmith right now, is he a starter? 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.400 Like hard to say that he is at this point. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.080 You know, he might be a very good left handed reliever, 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.080 might be a excellent bullpen weapon. And I certainly saw 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.160 him throw a great inning against Nashville, just you know, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.120 right in front of me, a sitting behind home plates 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.600 taking some photos. And yet like the fastball, cutter slider 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.439 combination in short bursts, gets some ugly swings and some 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:19.000 late swings, some tough foul balls. So as a bullpen weapon, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.840 certainly think he's has a lot of attractiveness. I think 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.120 when it comes to him being a starter, and like 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.000 looking at Hagen Smith as a Debtmer's replacement in the rotation, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.360 I don't think you're quite getting that. And then Carlson 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.320 is just he's not a lottery ticket at this point. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.520 I think he's more known than that. He's having a 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.480 decent season, especially around a hand injury. Like I think 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.440 he's been producing pretty well even though he doesn't have 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.560 a homer yet. The defense is as advertised so far, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.520 So I think you look at him and think like 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:51.000 that's a worthy project or a worthy guy to add 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.600 to a pharm system and give a lot of leeway 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.760 too on a lengthy development timeline. You don't expect great 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.720 things from him, don't attach a whole lot of expectations, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.640 as this is the guy we got cut for debt merse. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.880 He has to hit, but you just look at how 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.120 far away he is. He's still in Kannapolis, and it 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.200 just feels it's a lot for the White Sox to 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.200 give up. But it also feels like it could be 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.840 beaten by a team that just has maybe a starter 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.600 that they could give up and feel okay about, or 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.840 a infielder who's blocked maybe at the double A level 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.320 and can ultimately feel okay because they're getting a starter 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:28.200 from next two years. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.800 All right, Well that's the best that I would be 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.080 willing to go. And that's why again, like Redebt Merse 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.360 I think would be a great addition for the White Sox. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.080 I know there's some pushback from White Sox fans. You 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.360 don't think Redebt Merse is all that great, but just 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:50.000 looking at the landscape for controllable starting pitchers, Jim, it's incredibly, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.360 incredibly limited. It's really whatever the Angels have that teams 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.720 think is actually available in Redebt Merse and Jose Siano 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.200 and I feel like as far as the controllable starting 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:07.000 pitchers out there, debtmers is the best option. But maybe 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.440 the White Sox are a little too hesitant because to 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:14.240 your point, giving up our twenty twenty four and twenty 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.480 twenty five first round picks, that's kind of a gut 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.840 punch to the farm system, and they keep preaching about 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.280 long term development. But I do think you make a 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.280 good point. Whoever doesn't win the Trek schoolbul sweepstakes, so 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.000 they turn around and they call the Angels maybe they 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.840 can beat whatever the White Sox offers. So that that's 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.600 why I feel like, ultimately, while this would be a 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.120 good fit gym, it is a very long shot that 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.400 the White Sox and Angels would be able to make 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:40.840 this deal. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.720 Yeah, it feels like if you're the White Sox, you'd 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:49.600 do that just because Deptmers is what you wanted Hagen 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.120 Smith to be for two years good point. Yeah, and 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.800 then so that's kind of you're upgrading over that and 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.240 kind of upgrading over Cannon. You know, Canon's a good 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.920 throwing I think I think a team would be happy 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.040 to have him as a third player, perhaps, like they 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.200 could use him right away given the way he's throwing away. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:04.560 He's throwing right now in Charlotte. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.840 So that was my line of thinking, was like, here 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.440 you lose Debt Merse, here's Can and he can pick 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:10.080 up his starts. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.159 Yeah. So I think like det Meers is, you know, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.400 if you're looking at would you rather have Reaed, Debt 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.640 Mars or Higginsmith on the White Sox the next two years? 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.359 He probably say Dept. Mars just because you need a 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.159 starter for those two years. And then it becomes a 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.119 matter of like how much would you regret giving up 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.520 Billy Carlson? And I think you could get by without him, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.639 given the just drafted Rock Schelowski, given that they have 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.960 Caleb Bonnomer, given that Coulson's again, they have a whole 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.280 lot of infielders right now, and so I think you 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.560 can get by with taking a shot that Carlson won't 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.840 become like the Keith Law projection of just possible twenty 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.639 homers plus gold glove defense being somebody regret missing on 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.000 the other side of the table like three, four or 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:54.760 five years from now. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.960 Yeah, I would not be in the mood to swap 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.280 out Billy Carlson for Caleb Bonnemer. If the Angels came 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.120 back and asked for that package, I would probably pass. 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.359 I think highly of Kleb Bonomer. It looks he might 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.960 hit thirty home runs this year across multiple levels, Jim, 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.159 and we know that the White Sox could use more 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.720 right handed power as Rock Schlawski makes his way or 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.159 starts his way through the White Sox minor leagues. So 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.719 as far as like untouchables, I don't think anyone's untouchable 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.080 for the White Sox, but I would not give up 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.200 Kleb Bonnomer for read Debt Mers. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:28.959 Now. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.240 If the White Sox do make any moves and they 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.440 do trade as far as their prospects or if you're 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.320 interested in what other teams are doing as far as 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.280 trading their prospects. Our friends over at Baseball America they 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.720 are the best place to learn about all the prospects 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.560 of the move this trade deadline season. So now through 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:50.359 Monday August third, Socks Machine podcast listeners and viewers, you 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:55.000 get thirty percent off your first year of any digital 0:18:55.160 --> 0:19:00.399 annual subscription. 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I think ultimately I'm going to 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.760 go with Tyler Stevenson of the Cincinnati Reds, and the 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.120 reason is is the bat he has almost the league 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.000 average weighted runs cread A plus it's currently at ninety nine. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.080 He's batting two fifty one with a three point thirty 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.440 three on base percentage. He's slugging three eighty nine. That's 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.760 perfectly fine for hit her in the bottom of the order. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.840 He walks almost at eleven percent rate. He has eight 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.040 homers and twenty nine RBIs. We can spend an entire 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.720 podcast episode breaking down some of the defensive and game 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.080 calling limitations for Edgar Carrow and Drew Romo. But the 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.480 reason why the White Sox need to upgrade at this 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.320 position with the uncertainty of Kyle Teal's injury is that 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.600 Drew Romo's weighted runs create A plus is forty five 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.960 and despite the to clutch walk off hits from Edgar 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:06.840 Carrow this year, his way to runs cratiplus is thirty five. 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.800 That is so bad for your two catchers right now 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.119 on the team that they really don't merit any at 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.880 bats in the major league level. So that's why I'm 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:21.560 targeting Tyler Stevenson into exchange. For Stevenson. I know a 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.639 lot of White Sox fans like Riku Nashida, and I 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.760 think that he can be a useful utility player in 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.400