WEBVTT - Is Margaret Josephs Vindicated? RHONJ Finale Recap 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.640 Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. That's right. 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:10.799 You can buy your Allegedly and my Boys mugs, T shirts, 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:16.000 rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on Carlos Kingshop 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:17.200 dot com. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:18.119 That's right. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.320 Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and your mugs all 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:29.160 on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome to Reality with the King. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.239 It's me Carlos kings the King of Reality TV and 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.040 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.479 television with over ten years a production experience. 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Did 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.880 you guys listen to Carlos's last episode like they love 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:58.480 listening to it? 0:01:58.520 --> 0:01:59.919 You have to say, I think. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.360 It's actually recently you said something like about Dolorous and 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.600 it was like, I'm Carlos's thing about Delorius was amazing, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.200 and they just kept coming to us and we're like. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.639 Yeah, our listeners always encourage us to listen to Carlos King. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.120 They always say they're like, have you listened? You need 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.560 to listen to this episode, listen to it now, So 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:16.440 we always. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.200 Do, well listen. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.280 I appreciate you to You two are like the Jersey 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.920 experts as well, and I could not think of doing 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.680 this episode with anybody. I've been in your podcast before. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.880 You guys are such supporters of mine. I'm support of yours, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.480 So let's get right into it. I mean, girls, that 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:41.480 finale was insane. In the membrane, I'm physically shaking, like 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:46.640 I'm Lisa Barlow on the sprinter bus in my fur 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.880 calling Vita Liquor sponsors so that I won't get arrested 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.160 by the US Marshalls. So let's just get right into it. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.440 What did you two think about that finale? And did 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.359 it live up to this moment that we've all been 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:04.919 waiting for? 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:07.000 You know? 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.240 I actually I. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.560 Was very invested, and I think that's good because I 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.680 haven't been invested the entire season, so I do think 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.240 it was really intense. It was kind of needed to 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.680 have everyone together. And I get why there's no reunion. 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.800 I mean I literally had butterflies in my stomach watching 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.680 it because I was like nervous shaking because I was like, 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.840 what is happening? Because like I had to rewatch it 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.919 three times just that like you know, scene. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.560 Of them getting up, and I loved it. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.280 I thought it was a great finale and it just 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.240 showed it goes to show that like the production and 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.440 Bravo is probably going to say goodbye to most of 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.040 them and they made they edit. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.720 Yeah, I definitely feel like not only like a season finale, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.520 but like a series finale in the sense of you 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.080 won't see half of these girls ever. So let's just 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:54.640 give us as proper like good Fellas, you know, you know, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.800 sort of like you know, finality in terms of what 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.080 we've been seeing. You know, there was some men, explosive moments, 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:06.120 so many explosive revelations. Let's get into the Dolores and Margaret. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:11.760 Josephs up it all so I need to know who 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.000 you guys believe, Margaret or Dolores. So here they are 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.720 sitting on the couch and listen. Margaret, this finale had 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.280 no fucks to give, she said, if I'm going down, 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.400 all you bitches are going down with me. I refuse 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:32.960 to continue this season without exposing everybody in my way. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.520 So her first victim. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:42.039 Was Delores, where she revealed that Delores was invited to 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.520 this meeting where they were pretty much going to listen, 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:47.600 take down Louie. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.120 You know, let's just call it what it is. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:56.840 Delores reaction when she called her the C word see 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.800 you next Tuesday, I'm like, what is going on? 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:02.240 A pardon me? 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:08.560 Felt like, okay, do I believe Dolores or is Dolores 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.880 not admitting to it because she doesn't want the rap 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:17.479 of Teresa nor the tree huggers. Because Dolores's loyalty has 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:22.440 been very questionable. You know who do you, ladies believe? 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.120 Do you believe Margaret or do you believe dolor Dolorus 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:26.560 all day? 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.479 Yeah, I think if you look at Margaret, she looks 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:34.160 very questionable, you know, where she didn't anticipate Dolores to 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.720 go that crazy, so and then she backs down. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.240 A little bit. So because she backs out. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.520 I'm like, I believe Dolores, because why would Dolores be 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.479 like she's looking at her like bitch, Like, don't even 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.000 go there, don't even start this shit with me, Like 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.039 I know how you work. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.760 You're not playing with me. So I do believe Dolores here. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.960 I believe that Margaret is making that up because Margaret 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.800 wants problems with Teresa and Dolores. But I know a 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.320 lot of people are questioning her. I think Dolores is like, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.400 I have to keep my enemies closer, and that's what 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:05.880 she does with Margaret. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:07.920 But I also I've been telling Raxcy and I think 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.840 Dolores downplays her relationship with Margaret because they call each 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.000 other best friends, they call each other sisters after they're 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.680 apologizing after. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.120 The little blow up. But I still think Dolores is 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:17.799 telling the truth. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.039 And I think that Margaret just wants to make Teresa 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.719 Dolores not friends and she can have Dolores alter herself. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.440 Yeah, And I think that's the reason why I listen 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.800 as a housewives connoisseur, as somebody who started Jersey, you 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.640 know who started Atlanta. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.080 This isn't what. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:37.000 I produced, do you know what I mean? It's still 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.600 like Hunger Games is you know, Jersey and a lot 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.440 of housewives. Because I said on my own podcasts before, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.279 it's no longer about friendships. It's more about alliances. It's 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.159 more about who cannot align myself with in order for 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:58.559 me to secure another season. Jersey is definitely a show 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.200 that is not at all about friendships. Is truly about 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:09.040 picking aside, sticking to a side, and then investigating their 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.160 quote unquote friends or their cast members to dick of 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:15.400 so much dirt about them. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:16.600 And that's not. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.680 What I produced. Early on this season, we got the 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.400 drama and all that stuff. I mean, hello Teresa chasing 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.320 down Danielle stop as she pulling her hair, like we 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.120 have some wild moments, but none to where somebody is 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:35.120 being investigated to the degree of your involving husbands and children. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:36.640 I'm with you too. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:43.280 Dolores immediate reaction to me displayed that Margaret was lying. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:48.800 And the way Margaret sort of clocked Jackie's tea, which 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.600 will get to later, the way she stood up with 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.240 her bob looking like Nicki Minaj back in two thousand 0:07:55.240 --> 0:08:00.920 and one, you know, Starships era. The way she kind 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.880 of like stood up, it was like, no, bitch, I 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.280 know for a fact you did it. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.120 She did not have that same energy with Dolores. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.840 And the fact that de Laura's called her, I mean 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.400 the C word in front of her face sort of 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.920 showed me that Dolores is not the bitch to play with. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:24.840 Do you say Margaret underestimated that Delores is not somebody 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.840 that she can scare the way she does these other women, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:28.480 I e. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:29.080 Melissa. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.520 Yeah, she got so scared. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.680 Absolutely, she didn't expect Dolores's reaction, and she's like, I 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.079 need Dolores because, just like you said, it's all about 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.080 alliances here. So she's like, I need Dolores to have 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.760 my back to be on my side to pick me, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.880 you know, over Teresa if it comes down to it. 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.680 So she really backed the hell down and that told 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:48.400 you everything. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.360 She wouldn't have backed down, just like you said with 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:50.920 the Jackie thing. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.680 But I have a question because you're a producer, and 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.840 when you were producing New Jersey, didn't they have like 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.120 a couple of year contracts, not like a one year contract? 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.520 Because I feel like there's so much pressure to deliver 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.960 and do the dirtiest thing so you get another season. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.160 So you kind of have to understand where they're coming from. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.280 But when you were on the show, didn't you guys 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.119 give Housewives like a couple of years. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.320 Yeah, So listen, anybody who's on the show, they have options, right, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.280 So no one does a one season deal, not one 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.440 person on any reality show. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:21.760 Right. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.120 Well, let me just say docuseries. Right, if you're on 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.559 like The Bachelor, obviously that one season. But when you're 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.079 on a docu series like this, you're signed up for 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.080 multiple seasons. But the thing is this, the network has 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:36.800 the right to get rid of you. They don't have 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.440 to exercise their option, right, So you could be signed 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:45.840 on for like four years, but if your first season 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:47.440 is then spectacular. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:49.200 Every network has. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.319 The right to let you go wow. That's the way 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.600 it goes. And what happens with these housewives is this. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.800 It's not often that a middle age woman is able 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:05.960 to be famous and on television because unfortunately, in our business, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.880 middle aged women don't have a lot of options to 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.200 have a leading role on the television show, right, and 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.200 that's primarily actresses. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.280 When you are reality star, you. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.800 Can have a second life, a second win post forty. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:28.200 And what that means is you are immedially famous, you're 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:34.080 immedially successful. You me deally have all this wealth, and 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.920 it's not every day that you have those opportunities, and 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.319 it reaks U desperation to keep it. Listen, I have 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.840 no issue with Jackie Goldschneider. She's great television. But I 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.760 think Jackie is listen to me, it will get to 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:56.240 the finale dinner in a second. Jackie Goldschneider to me 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.480 is the perfect example of I will do whatever it 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:06.160 takes to be to remain relevant. You know, I will 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.920 disregard my friendship of five plus years with Melissa and 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.319 Margaret and befriend Teresa if that means I get more 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.280 camera time. You know, I think Jackie's loyalty is to 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.000 her fame. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.120 I do think though, that Jackie did realize she was 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.800 treated way differently when she got cast as a friend 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.400 of the people like Melissa and Margaret who called her 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:31.240 every single day. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.080 They stopped calling her, they. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.160 Stopped being loyal, and she was like, wait, is this 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.120 friendship actually genuine? And that's why she was so comfortable 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.760 flipping because they stopped giving a shit about her once 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.040 she got demoted. So the you know, for her, she's like, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.559 this was never authentic, Like I. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.520 Thought, that's a good point. That's a good point. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:51.400 But I see your. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.240 Point too, Like I see your point, and I'm like, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.520 but then I also see her side of it as well. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.320 But it's also like if she was someone too, you know, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.360 at that dinner for we will get to it, I guess, 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.720 but at that dinner, it's if like she really wants 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.240 to be on that show and secure her spot, Like 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.880 she has so much shit on Margaret that she could say, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.960 like I know she does. So it's like, why don't 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.720 you say it, Like why are you backing down? Like 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.200 why aren't you telling your truth that probably you have 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.839 on her? So that's what bothers me because it's like, 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.560 let's let's let's do it. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.560 Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think Jackie. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:27.439 Listen, Jackie did not expect to get exposed. And Honey, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.400 I mean if if I wanted to see how her 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.840 chair looked, I needed to see the seat because I 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:39.480 needed to see if there were brown doodoo stains. Because literally, yeah, sorry. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.000 For the mental picture. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.680 Rank drops hot, hide your wives and hib the kids. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.400 I felt like she shit at her pants. I mean, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:52.680 talk about bubble guts, not butterplasmia stomach like literally bubble guts. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.079 But I want to talk about this before we get 0:12:55.160 --> 0:13:01.600 to that part. What do we think about the Louis 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:11.040 Teresa's conversation juxtaposed against Joe Gorgas and Melissa's conversation as 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.640 they were getting ready to have this finale dinner. So 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.600 we got a chance to get two point of views 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.199 from let's call it what it is, the two families 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.680 who are the anchors of the show. Right to me, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:32.880 it was evident that the network, the production knew that 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.760 these two families will never appear on the same show 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:44.800 ever again. And from the flashbacks to the conversations about 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.640 their parents, look, everyone knows. Teresa's my friend in real 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.920 life and I love her dearly. It saddened me to 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.160 see the flashbacks of her parents because, and I said 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.840 this in nauseum, I know for a fact that her 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.280 parents adored her, and I know for a fact that 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.360 Teresa lived to please her parents and to take care 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.680 of them when they were ill. And to sort of 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.520 see how Joe Gorga said out of his own mouth 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.000 that his father said, to take care of your sister. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.760 That was pretty much your father's dying wish. And to 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:30.600 know that you could not even live up to your 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:36.160 father's wishes to me, explain the type of man you are. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.240 And I know that everybody. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.840 Has these feelings about Louis, and I want to ask 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.640 you ladies your thoughts on him. But I feel like 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.760 no one thinks about the fact that at the end 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.760 of the day, at the end of the day, Joe 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.600 Gorga is blood related to Teresa. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.200 That's her only sibling. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.440 He said, out of his own mouth, My father said 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.040 to take care of my sister, and you have I 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.520 failed that assignment. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.160 You. I think it's I think it's super sad and 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:08.960 super gross. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.880 I think too, it's like a lot of people's relationships 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.760 can be like you don't like your in law, so 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.120 like he might not like Louis, But why does it 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:18.960 have to be like the be all end all for 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.320 your relationship with your sister, Like there should have still 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.520 been some sort of communication after before the wedding, after 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.560 the wedding, like him still trying if like that's what 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.000 you told your father that you're going to do, and 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:30.960 that you're going to take care of her and her 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.440 daughters and making sure that they're okay, and like making 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.080 sure that their headspace is okay, like if if you 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.320 heard like the way Melissa told him in that conversation, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.800 is that that house is so stressed, Like how do 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.240 you not want to pick up the phone and call 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.160 Gia at least or call somebody and say, are you 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:45.040 guys doing okay? 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.680 Are you guys doing something? It's something that do I 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:48.040 need to know? 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:49.520 And if they say no, don't worry about it, then 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.200 at least you know you did your job. But how 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.360 do you not have that feeling to do that with them? 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:54.920 It blows my mind? 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:57.880 Yeah, I think Joe. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.560 One thing that bothered me about him is you can 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.040 tell in the last year he doesn't look happy if 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.320 you see photos videos. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.240 He doesn't have the same energy he used to have, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.320 but you know, he still. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.000 Tried to throw shades, so he doesn't care about what 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.280 his dad said, his mom says anything, because he still. 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:12.760 Tried to throw shade. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.440 And he said, if my sister was really going through something, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.680 she would never want everyone to know about it. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.760 And it's like, well, what about you, Joe. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.400 We've never heard anything that you're going through, so why 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.280 are you throwing shade at Teresa? 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:27.520 Like this is a real thing. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.280 They brought a dangerous person who's been harassing Teresa's children 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.160 onto this platform for no reason. It's like they take 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.000 it too far and then it gets so ugly and 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.280 now it's like, what was it worth it? 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.040 Everyone? Look where everyone's at now. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.800 Yeah, it's saddest me because look, I think that if 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.400 you look at the cast, okay, and let's look at them, 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.000 let's look at them silo. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:50.960 Right. 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.680 I will go on the record saying I think each 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.560 of them individually are great housewives, but what they bring 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:02.040 to the show, right, I think Melissa is a great housewife. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.920 I think Margaret is one. I love Rachel and Danielle Honey, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:07.679 Jennifer Aiden. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.719 I mean, hello, we'll get to that a second. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.280 I mean, please find me the black version of Jennifer 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.600 Aiden for my lover Mans franchise, because Honey, Bunny, she's everything. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.199 As individuals, they're all great housewives. It's saddest me that 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.199 nobody felt the need to say, Okay, bitch, let's figure 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.679 out how to make this show work, how to not 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.320 make it dark. Let's not investigate each other. Let's not 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.520 even run the gamut of like trying to expose each 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:41.320 other husbands. The thinking that I'm getting the most I've 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.879 had people texting me about Louie. I literally received the 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.800 text last night from a friend of mine who said 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:52.440 to me, you should be concerned about Louie. And my 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.480 response was, I can only base somebody off of me 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.639 meeting them, and I'm sorry, guys, He's a nice person. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.960 He's been nothing but sweet to me. Teresa looks happy. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:10.480 I've always said this in nauseum. Teresa's children have great 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:15.480 discernment and at the end of the day, they love him. So, guys, 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.199 I get what it may appear based on what we 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.760 are fed courtesy of the show of the blogs or whatever, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.840 but I can only base Louie character off of what 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.000 I know him to be, and if I'm wrong, I'm 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.960 wrong in the end. But as of today, I like Louis. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.960 I love Teresa's happiness. It's primarily because of him. Her 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.800 daughters love him. I don't know what you guys want 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.800 from me. I don't see it when I'm around him 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.879 in real life. But you two, what are your thoughts 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.200 on Louie. Should Teresa be concerned? Because that's the biggest 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.720 feedback of people saying, well, it's Louie's fault he ruined 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.080 the show, And I'm like, well, bitch, what. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.560 Show are you watching? Because I don't think it's Louie's fault. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.720 I think we've met Louis twan like, like everything you 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.600 said is like how we feel we've met him. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.480 He's been nothing but great to us as. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.920 Well, and like he's and what we were at Brava 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:10.679 Khan and we saw him. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.240 How he interacted with the fans is too. He was awesome. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:14.720 I think a lot of people met him are like, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:16.040 we didn't expect that from him. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.679 So I really don't understand like the hate, but I 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.720 also think that he was thrown into this not really 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.359 understanding how it works, So I think he doesn't know 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.720 when he talks like how people are going to spend things, 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.919 and I think he's being genuine and like trying to 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.240 like just he's very emotional guy, it seems like, so 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.120 he's trying to show his emotions. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.280 A lot, and it doesn't. It doesn't. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:35.960 The way they edit it or the way he comes 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.119 out doesn't portray what he's really trying to, like say. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.360 And I think he loves Teresa, like you said, the. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:41.040 Girls love him. 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:45.320 Why are people still obsessed with trying to like dethrone him? 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:46.600 Almost? 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.400 Yeah, I think everyone on the cast has come from him, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.160 come for him from the very beginning. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.040 So it's like you can only take so much where 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:55.640 you don't. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.240 Like say something off the wall, especially if you're not, 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.600 like you know, used to the show of things. So 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.080 you know, I know he said that thing about Margaret's son, 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.399 and you know, I think, what like when I think 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.880 about it, He's just been through so much with everyone 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.800 coming for him, for his businesses, for his children, for 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.600 Teresa's children. They gave again a very dangerous person a platform, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.600 so he doesn't know how to handle it. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.280 And I feel very bad because he didn't sign up 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.120 for this. He just really loves Teresa. 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.320 But like you guys are saying, his you know, their 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.280 kids adore him, so that tells you everything. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.160 If they have no concern no one else, should they 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:34.000 live with him? 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.080 And his own kids too, Like you think that they're 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.040 old enough now, you think they can't decide if they 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.120 don't want to be like have a relationship with their father. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.360 If their father was such a bad guy, they live 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.080 with him too. They see him all the time too, 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.280