WEBVTT - Part Two: The Young, Evil God of Death: Reinhard Heydrich 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:08.320 What's being recorded by this meetings. I'm Robert Evans, hosted 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.160 Behind the Bastards. Zoom, if you're not aware, has recently 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.840 added in a horrible voice that tells you when the 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:19.240 meetings being recorded, and it's very traumatizing. But also because 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.640 trauma has broken my brain, I am now in love 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.040 with the zoom recording lady. We're going to be married. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.760 She sounds hot. I'm not. She sounds fine as hell, right, 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.840 she sounds really good. First of all, I love a 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:37.600 lady who understands consent. Absolutely. 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Every state, Like where 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.760 I live, I don't need to tell people if I 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.080 record them. It's you know, states are either one party 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.200 consent or two party state. It's basically so like either 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.320 just the person recording like needs to know, or everyone does. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:36.200 Um So, Matt Leeb what's us? Comedian funny guy, podcaster 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:43.520 guy who podcasts podcast called Yeah, yeah you do. You 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.480 get him in you you drop it into the p 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.320 zones straight away. And this is of course behind the Bastards. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.160 This is part two of our podcast series about Ryan 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:58.360 Heart Heydrick maybe the worst of the Nazis um which 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:04.200 is saying a lot quite a resume line, like in 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.440 your Hell resume set, like what did you do? I'm 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:12.160 the guy Hitler thought was extra I love the Hell 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.959 entrance interview where you're sitting with the devil and he 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.360 was like, uh, You've got some pretty impressive, you know, 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.639 things that you've done in your life. I see here 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:25.880 you were vale victorian at Nazi you know, yes, graduated 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:30.200 Nazi come loudly and uh fucking you know, yeah, you 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:36.000 got the job burning health for eternity. Uh yeah, what 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.360 an amazing piece of shit. Um So, Matt, you know, 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.120 one of the problems with this episode, Like, right, this 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.000 is the thing we talked. We just did the Dullest 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.000 Brothers episodes. Right, We did a three partner and there 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.360 was like four hours of talking and let out a 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.960 lot you know, um, and it was a lot of 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.360 like we mostly left out the stuff that was was shitty, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.839 but kind of either you know, like the Kennedy assassination 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.560 stuff where I can't really say one way or the 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.080 other what their role was, or stuff like we didn't 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.960 go to detail at in k Ultra because we're gonna 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.600 do it eventually. We preferred, though, to talk about like 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.239 the you know, the coups and the genocides that extended 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.680 from them, so that we weren't leaving out the biggest 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.480 crimes against humanity that they've committed as part of this 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.200 as the head of the you know, the head and 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:17.760 then of the CIA and the head of the State 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.760 Department with Reinhard Heydrich in order to make time, there's 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.560 a lot of crimes against humanity that we're just leaving 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.400 out or wallpre because it's like I can't talk about 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:33.799 all of the epoco crimes against like human nature and 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.480 civilization that this guy did. That's how many crimes against 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.360 humanity he was responsible for. His bio is too big. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.520 You know, you can't read his entire bio. You've gotta 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.000 you gotta, really fucking you gotta find all of the 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.840 ones that you're like this this will work. You gotta 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.640 you gotta like you've gotta rank them, which is hard 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.320 to do in terms of crimes. So if you're I mean, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.560 there's there's going to be numerous people listening to this 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.600 podcast asked whose family members were exterminated as a result 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.280 of something Reinhard Heydrich did, and if we left out 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.520 the particular crime against humanity he committed against your ancestors, 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:13.800 I do apologize. There's too many of them. Yeah, we can't, 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.880 can't go into every single one, which is it just 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.680 goes to show how much of a piece of ship 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:24.400 this guy was. Really tremendous asshole. Um bad dude, bad, 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.440 really bad dude. So we left off Hitler had just 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.680 kind of taken power, you know, um N three was 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.520 the year that Hitler kind of got his not quite 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.920 ultimate power. Yet you know, there's still he's the Chancellor, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.359 there's still Hindenburg in there. He hasn't quite taken everything. 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.880 But this is the year during which he he consolidates 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.200 and and and gets total power. Um and it's a process. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.520 The Nazis don't just get elected and become in charge. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.440 There's a lot of resistance to them at the start, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.440 including a lot of people, a lot of conservatives who 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.000 are like, well, we're compromising by letting Hitler be in power, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.560 but he's not going to get total power, Like, we're 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.520 still going to have all these different checks that against them. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.360 So the first thing the Nazis have to do is 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.000 destroy any chance of their being checks against them, and 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.919 they do this by taking over all of Germany's police 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:12.120 agencies um and this was again there's resistance to this 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.080 in Bavaria and a number of other German states. Elements 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.360 of the police resist Nazi control and they're all unsuccessful. 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.400 Right at the end of the day, most cops just 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.600 go along with it, and none of the cops who 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:28.760 don't go along with it remain cops. Um now uh. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.920 In April of nineteen thirty three, Heinrich Himmler is appointed 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.760 commander of the Bavarian political police. So there's like criminal police, 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.719 there's there's order police, right which you're kind of like 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.960 your traffic cops. Basically cops you're like, you're drunk in 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.760 the street, and there's political police whose job is to like, 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.080 are you seditious? Are you going to carry out treason 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.599 and ship And they've existed before during the Republic, but 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.159 under the Nazis, the political police are going to be 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.560 by far the biggest and most powerful police, because that's 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.480 the Nazis are most concerned with right um and Heinrich 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.000 Himler but comes ahead of the Bavarias, which is one 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.279 state's political police. He makes Reinhard Hydrick the police commissioner. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.440 So Himmler is the big picture guy. Ryan Hart is 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.159 going to be running the day to day behind the scenes. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.200 The Nazis when they, you know, first start taking over 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.960 these agencies, they have themselves a party, and because it's 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.039 a Nazi party, that means they're beating and torturing and 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.360 murdering people that they've had problems with for a while 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.320 but hadn't controlled the cops. Uh Reinhard's wife later wrote, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.160 quote I had to laugh so hard when she found 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.799 out that Hydrick had been made the police commissioner. Quote. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.679 Reinhard said he felt great satisfaction that the same people 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.680 who have been locking up the essay and the SS 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.680 just half a year ago, who beat them down with 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.599 rubber truncheon's could now no longer straighten their backs for 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.599 all the bowing they did. It's correct now, Yeah, it's cool, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.240 it's good ship. Now that he was in charge of 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.560 the political police, Hydrick's job was to arrest every communist 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.920 and social democratic enemy of the Nazi Party and have 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.800 them tortured and beaten. More than two people were locked 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.800 up in the first couple of days. Every one of 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.039 them was beaten badly. Now at this stage, Jews were 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.000 not the Nazi Party's chief priority. Um, so again they're 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.120 rounding up mostly political enemies, mostly leftist. Some of those 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.000 people in Jewish, and they do go after like there's 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.040 especially there's random violence against Jews. But the party is 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.559 not focusing on fucking with Jewish people right now because 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.440 they they still aren't in solid power. The left could 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.160 take things back at this point, so that's going to 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.120 be their focus right. Um. That said, there is a 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.960 lot of violence against Jewish people, and Hydric gleefully related 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.800 to his wife the story of a Jewish man that 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.480 s S officers brought into headquarters. Quote they made short 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.600 work of him. They beat him with dog whips, pulled 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.200 off his shoes and socks, and then he had to 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.400 walk home barefoot in the company of s s men. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.480 That will give you an idea of how they do things. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.360 Many Jesuits and Jews have fled from here. No one 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.400 is dead, no one has been seriously injured. But fear fear, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.560 I tell you, that's really the goal. And this is 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.840 one of the things there was not from the beginning. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.680 This is and this is debated. There's a lot of 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.000 argument as to whether or not from the beginning there 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.800 was a concerted Nazi plan to um to exterminate the Jews. Um. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:10.200 I think there was a concerted willingness to to to 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.760 kill the Jews. I think there was a lot of 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.720 joking and talking about it. I think there were plenty 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.040 of people who didn't have an issue with it, but 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.239 they weren't planning to do it necessarily from the beginning. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.000 There's strong evidence that it's something that kind of evolved 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.560 over time, and particularly in this period. That's not I 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.160 think one of the important things is that it was 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.840 not necessarily inevitable that the Holocaust would go the way 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.320 that it did. It was inevitable that they were going 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.040 to be Jewish people beaten, that there was gonna be 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.440 some sort of apartheid state, probably not necessarily inevitable that 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.880 what happened was going to happen. Right, That's why part 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.000 of the story, that's the final part of the final solution, 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.960 that's what that's kind of you know, it was it 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:49.679 was the logical conclusion of the ideology. You know, it 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.360 wasn't uh, it was talked about and joked about and 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:58.960 you know kind of considered something that people used rhetorically 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.000 as a rhetorical divice, but people didn't actually think this 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.000 is something they would ever try to pull off, like 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.120 not because it just seemed just h not only like irrational, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:15.040 but like I mean just logistically not possible. But boy 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.920 where they are wrong. Yeah, they And it's it's one 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.680 of those things it's important to bring up the phrase 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.600 final solution because people don't think about what that actually 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.840 means enough. The Jewish question. Germans didn't invent that phrase, right, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.720 That's something being asked i'll throughout Europe, and the question 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.240 is like, well, these people aren't like us, but they 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.280 live in our societies. What did we do with them? Right? 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.839 And a lot of that's you know that we've talked 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.520 you see the protocols of the Elder's Zion episode, the 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.840 fact it's the final solution, because the Nazis try a 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:47.160 couple of other solutions. Yeah, the final one is genocide, 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.360 and that's the important part of the story. I think 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:54.080 now proportionally more political enemies were arrested in Bavaria under 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.880 Hydrick than in any of the other German states. By 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.800 April ten, ten tho people had been taken into custody 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.680 by as s D. And again it's not just the 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.839 s D. They're using cops as well, right, Um, there's cops, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.080 and also like they're just kind of like deputizing a 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.120 bunch of Nazis in the s S to act as 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.520 cops so that they can take in people. Um. There 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.800 were protests against these mass arrests, and these protests are 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.760 violently dispatched by the German police. One lawyer, Michael Siegel, 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.160 lodged a complaint to Hydrick against the arrest of a 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.400 Jewish client. Hydrick had him beaten by s S auxiliary 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.920 policeman and then forced march through the city carrying a 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.720 sign that said I will never again complain about the 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:34.559 police man fucking a and that honestly, it's just like 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:40.160 especially where we are now, Hydri says, blue lives matter 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.800 straight up. Yeah, straight up as like blue lives matter. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.440 This is like the fucking the thin the thin blue 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.080 rich you know, yeah, the thin blue Reich. Thank you 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.840 for that. Yeah, it really is. It's God, this fucking 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.520 someone just printing out all your tweets and making you 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.640 walk around barefoot. Yeah. Now, up to this point, Yanhard's 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.040 achievements amount to little more than being a good liar 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.760 and knowing how to do very basic thug shit. But 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.640 it was during this period that he would really distinguish 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.200 himself as an innovator by helping to develop a new 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.400 tool for repression. So German law, when the Nazis came 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:22.400 to power, provided for something called Shultzhoft, or protective custody. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.760 This gave police the power, under certain circumstances, to detain 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.600 a person without judicial review, so without a warrant, without 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.960 it charges, to essentially arrest someone to take them into custody. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.120 And I think the original idea was to allow the 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:37.920 police to take somebody to custody who might present a 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.959 danger to themselves. Who might be in danger, who was 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.000 in a situation, and it was in a situation where 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.559 they couldn't get a ruling for the course at the 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.600 same time. Right, the problem with giving the police any 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.880 powers like this, even if the goal is maybe to 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:54.000 protect people, is that once that power exists, fascists will 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.880 find a way to use it, which is the same 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.920 problem we're we're having and will continue to have with 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.000 our police now. In nineteen thirty three, Hydrick and his 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:05.000 colleagues redefined protective custody in a way that allowed his 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.839 s D and policeman to detain any citizen for any 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.200 reason without involving the courts. This is the start of 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.679 the development of the concentration camp system. This is the 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.440 legal underpinning of why they're able to exist, of how 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.360 they're justified under the law. From this point forward, no 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.880 court cases or warrants were necessary for the police to 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.240 take in someone who was defined by the Nazis as 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.920 quote an enemy of the Reich. Now, all these arrestees 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.440 had to be put somewhere in the existing state prison 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.640 and jail facilities were hardly built to accommodate such numbers. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.319 In March of nineteen thirty three, an abandoned munitions factory 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.000 was converted into a concentration camp. This was not the 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.040 first under the Nazis. There were prior to this what 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.240 we're called wild Concentration camps are basically just like we're 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.080 gonna appropriate a facility to stick people were arresting, right, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.320 But they get and and Hydrick is not the only 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.400 person who's a major driver of this. They get this 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.360 abandoned me asitions factory, they put walls around it, they 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.760 turned it into a concentration camp. Now you want to 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.000 guess with the town this factory is in. It's called 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.480 oh god, guess what the town called summer village. You 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.920 might have heard of called oh doc Yeah, that was yeah, 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.360 this is doc How. Yeah. So the facility is quickly 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.640 put in the hands of the s S. Hydrick is 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.640 not in charge of doc Ou, but he's in charge 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.800 of who goes to Dachau and when they're released. Right, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.600 that's important. There's a separation of powers here. But he's 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.360 a big part of the dock house system because it's 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.199 he who gets to shoes who who gets sent there. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.839 You know, um Dackau is you. Everyone knows the name 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.280 doc How. There's a shifver down the human spine when 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.880 you say it. It was a horrible place. Prisoners were 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.240 relatively regularly beaten to death. Thirteen people were killed in 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.520 one month in nineteen thirty three, and a lot more 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.760 would follow. By early nineteen thirty four, Ryan Hard's police 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.320 had arrested more than sixteen thousand people. Most of these 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.520 people were beaten, arrested and released and given a warning 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.520 basically that you were you were arresting these people, you 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:02.960 beat the ship out of him, and you say, hey, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.440 stay the funk out of politics. From that right, more 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.560 than two thousand though, the people who were like seeing 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.280 as the real threats were interned in dock out. Now, 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.959 it's important to note that the Nazis and him Learn 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.840 in particular. Again, we're big about separation of responsibilities. So 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.280 the guy who actually runs dock out is a fellow 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.520 named Theodore Ike, and we're gonna talk about him for 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.280 just a little bit because, like Hydrick, Ike was a 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.000 former military man who had been dismissed very quickly for 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.520 bad behavior. Um so he'd been disgraced because of like 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.360 fucked up ship he did in the military, kicked out 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.520 of the military. He had actually been arrested in the 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.280 Weimar years and sent to a psychiatric asylum because he 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.720 had illegal explosives that he was planning to do something 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.760 fucked up with He's like, gonna make a kind of 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.720 guy you get um. So he does well under the 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.640 Nazis and they give him They put him in charge 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.120 of doc Out. And part of why I'm bringing ike 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.200 story up is because he and Hydrick have a similar background. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.920 These are guys who had nothing before Nazism, who had 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.920 disgraced themselves, and Nazism gave them a second chance, and 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.000 they really saw it, not just in ideological terms, but 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.720 this is my only chance to matter. Because the Nazi 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.000 regime was fiercely competitive, and because competing within that crew 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.960 often meant being the hardest and most violent, Hydrock and 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.280 Ike would both compete to see who could be the 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.200 most brutal, and that's a big part of why doc 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.200 Ou becomes so horrible. Hydrocs guys are competing to see 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.760 how many people they can arrest, um, how brutally they 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.280 can crack down on descent, how frightening they can be. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.040 Ike is competing with his to make his concentration camp 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.080 the most horrifying place. He possibly can. None of them 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.120 are getting necessarily from most of the stuff. They're not 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.480 getting orders from above. They're interpreting things that their superiors 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.800 are saying and passing and seeing what can I do 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.080 to please them? And that leads them to be as 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.640 extreme as possible. God, it's just like it's just like 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:55.400 spawned from this like fucking petty egoistic competition about who 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.840 could be a bigger piece of ship. It's like exactly, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:03.280 you know, It's like it's like fucking John Lennon writing 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:08.320 Strawberry Fields and Paul McCartney writing, uh, you know, Penny Lane, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.040 but like the dark side of that. You know, it's 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.800 like they both made themselves better at what they did, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.880 but but at murder, but it but but it murder. Yes, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.880 you could call Ryan Hart Heydrick Theodore I. Kinder came 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.920 the Beatles of genocide. That's what what I'm trying to 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.400 do is tie the Beatles into Nazism. So can you 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.800 get a T shirt that's like the cover of Abbey Road, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.200 but with the Nazis walking across the street? Can we 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.680 You think it's gonna go over? Well? Yeah, I think 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:40.600 that will be really useful merch. Alright, I'm gonna make 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.600 it on my own. Yeah, I mean conceptually I get it, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:49.080 but probably not something that I would walk around. Yeah, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:55.040 it's not a joke people passing on the street. I 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.640 still I still get. I still get strange looks and 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.400 I where the maybe leaders are a bad idea emerge. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:06.000 M it's it's not Rushmore but with all the worst 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:10.280 bastards ever. Like, Okay, I could see how that's hard 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:16.040 can be misinterpreted family events, though you bring the shirt. Yeah, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:17.919 you bring it the family events, and you mostly just 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.639 keep it inside. I have I have a shirt, an 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.119 entire T shirt that's just a giant close up of 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.479 a butthole, and I don't wear it outside, you know, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.480 but I enjoy that I have it. Yeah, I have. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.840 I have a T shirt from the band Millions of 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.920 Dead Cops, which I wear when I'm not driving anywhere. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.360 When I get pulled over in that shirt, I mean 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:45.560 behind the police shirt is strictly for the house. Yeah, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.320 all of your merch are just shirts no one wears. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:55.359 Don't don't wear these if you might be over please um. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.920 So again, it's important to understand kind of the way 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.560 this These guys are kind of independent at Lee trying 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.159 to top each other. And that's how a lot of 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.439 these that's how a lot of the worst crimes of 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.000 the Nazi regime are committed. And I'm gonna quote from 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.239 Robert Gervat again. Hydrick's actions cannot simply be understood as 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.159 those of a bloodthirsty sadist playing a preconceived role in 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.440 building a totalitarian police state. Since joining the s s 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.760 and nineteen thirty one, he had immersed himself in a 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.879 political milieu which thrived on the notion of being locked 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.360 in a life and death struggle. Winning that struggle required 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.159 decisive action against enemies in respect of whom even the 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.280 most unimaginable cruelty was justified. As his future deputy vern 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.359 are best observed, Hydrick tended to project his own proclivity 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.720 towards intrigues and violence onto his real or imagined enemies. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.760 Finally free to move against an ideological enemy who had 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.240 supposedly enjoyed the upper hand until nineteen thirty three, he 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:50.160 considered terror a justifiable weapon, in fact, the only adequate 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.000 weapon against such evil. We can talk about Q and 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.840 on here we could talk about the modern Republican Party. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:00.280 The way that framing your enemies as like demonic, like 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.840 inherently destructive, omniscile foes justifies any kind of terror you 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:10.680 can dream of, both in human and also uh, the 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:15.000 perception that they are just constantly on top, even in 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.000 moments in which you are literally on top. Yeah, So 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.160 if you happen to get you have to murder them 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.000 as soon as you get the chance, because you know 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.040 they're they're always winning otherwise because you're trying to be 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.119 in the playing field. Yeah, because they would murder me 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.240 if they were if they if they had the chance 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.480 to do it, then it's like, well they've ben't had 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.719 the chance to do it. They never did, so they 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.880 actually didn't. Uh yeah, yeah you notice here it's still 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.199 alive and they never did that. But yeah they noticed that. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:48.399 Um anyway, so uh. While Hydric used terror as a weapon, 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.239 he also spent a lot of his time in this 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.600 period and throughout actually his early career in the as 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.960 a Nazi. As much as he is arresting dissidents, having 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.520 them tortured, having them sent to concentration camps, as much 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.720 as he does that, he threatens his subordinates with punishment 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.439 for illegally beating or killing detainees. Um, this was not 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.240 out of any kind of humanitarian desire. This is out 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:11.800 of the fact that he wants to be seen. He 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.320 wants the system he is running to be seen as 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.960 orderly and lawful. He does not want the majority of 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.680 the German population to be frightened of the Nazis, because 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.560 at this point they're still trying to win public support. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.520 And all these guys who will be fine with if 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.480 you say I've put a criminal in a concentration camp, 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.879 they're like, fine, if they see a dude getting beaten 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:37.480 in the street, that's disorder, that's nasty. They don't like that. Um, 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.359 they want every death to be uh, at least have 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.280 some semblance of justification in the eyes of people who 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.679 aren't there, who don't know the reasons why, and who 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.840 are just going to take the story, the general story 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.600 that the fucking that the perpetrators they're gonna it's It's 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.520 like a lot of Republicans were horrified by the George 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.439 Floyd video, but at the same time, as long as 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.400 they don't see a video of it, they're just like, oh, well, 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.960 he had he might have had a gun, right, They 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:05.440 don't care. All they need to know is like, oh, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.239 a cop shot a dangerous man. I don't care about that. 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.359 You see the reality of it, and it horrifies you. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.680 That's the thing Hydrick. He's very savvy. He knows I 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.399 don't want random street violence. I don't want grams. I 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:22.119 want orderly, state sanctioned legal repression and murder. That's Hydrick's 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:27.040 fucking bag, baby, um so. One of Hydrick's most prominent 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.560 victims in this period was the Nobel laureate and critic 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.000 of the Nazis, Thomas Man. Now Man had the fortune 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:34.840 to be out on a reading tour of Europe when 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.080 the Nazis took power, and he had been a vociferous 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.879 critic of the Nazis, very public. He's a very famous intellectual. 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:44.120 He'd been attacking them for uh for years. And he's 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.760 out of Germany when they take power, and he is 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:48.840 a smart guy. So he's like, I'm not going back home. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.399 It seems like this isn't gonna be good for me. 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.080 I'm gonna I'm gonna hang out elsewhere and wait, I'm 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.560 gonna just chill for a minute on this whole going 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.920 back to Germany thing, just kind of see what happened. Yeah, 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:03.520 I think I want to let this play out a 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.679 little bit before I go back Um. And while he 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.280 was away, Hydrick's police rated Mon's home and took his cars, 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.960 bank accounts, and private possessions. He eventually succeeded in having 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:18.120 Thomas Mann stripped of his German citizenship. By nineteen thirty four, 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.479 Himler and Hydroc had created a remarkably effective terror regime 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.080 in Bavaria. Their superiors noted their success and noted that 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.000 Bavaria Nazi control is more complete. Their elimination of political 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.960 enemies had been more effectively carried out than anywhere else 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.159 in the New Reich. And so in April of nineteen 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.359 thirty four, Hydric has given control of the Prussian Gestapo 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.200 as well. And we're not gonna the Gestapo doesn't exist 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.000 before the Nazis. The Gestapo is kind of like unifying 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:47.520 these Nazi intelligence apparatus is with the state political police, 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.560 and that becomes the Gestapo. That's more Gering's bag. But 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.879 Hydric is kind of from the beginning in control of 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:55.960 a lot of it, in control of the practical details 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.560 of what it does at least um. And so he's 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.639 given control of the Prussian Gestapo in ninety four. This 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.119 puts thousands of secret police and multiple states under his hands. 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.600 So now he's basically in charge of repression in Bavaria 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.200 UH and in Prussia UM. It also means that he's 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.359 now officially a big man in the Nazi party and 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.880 this would give him meaningful input during the next critical 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:21.320 stage stage of Nazi development. Now, if you'll remember, Ernst 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.560 Rome and his brown Shirts had been a major locust 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.320 of Nazi power in the early years. These guys are 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:29.199 hitler street fighters, his gangsters, and Rome is a military veteran. 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.640 He's a very tough man. He's good at organizing street fighters. 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:37.320 He's also a revolutionary. Rome isn't satisfied when Hitler takes power. 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.880 For one thing, he doesn't want to rebuild the German military. 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.080 He wants to replace the military with his essay. And 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:45.800 he's a he's a he's a he's a He's not 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.359 someone who's ever going to be satisfied with what the 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.760 Nazi state became, because he's just a lot more radical 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.159 than that. And once you're in power, a guy like 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:58.440 Rome is a liability threat. Yeah, because he keeps doing 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.600 the street terror in random islands and ship and at 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:03.359 this point, the Nazis are trying to play nice with 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.439 the conservatives. They want the center right, the middle class 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.600 majority of Germany to like see like, Oh, these Nazi 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.800 guys are are are safe and normal and we're gonna 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.480 have a stable society under them. Um So they got 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.720 to get rid of fucking Rome. And I'm gonna quote 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.600 from a rite up by Bleaker Street Media here. While 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.440 still fiercely loyal to Hitler, Rome's vision for Nazi Party 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.200 future was increasingly at odds with Hitler's. For Hydrick and Hitler, 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.720 there was a more pragmatic problem with the Essay. Although 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.600 the two men ran the s D in the Gestapo, 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.680 these organizations were officially under the domain of the Essay 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.200 in Rome. To secure their independence, Hitler and Hydric conspired 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.320 with Herman Garring to create a case against Rome. On 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:43.600 June four, Hydrick presented a dussier, a fabricated evidence to 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:45.760 Hitler that detailed the trees in this plot in which 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.400 the French were paying Rome twelve million marks to overthrow 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:51.600 the Reich. Based on Hydrick's trumped up report, Hitler authorized 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.879 a surprise attack against the Essay to take place on 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.160 June thirty, Hydrick's men swooped in, arresting Rome with eight 0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.720 along with eighty five of his top officers, many of 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.360 whom we're intentionally shot to death in the process. When 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.840 the smoke cleared, the Essay had been dissolved. Between a 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.280 hundred and fifty and two hundred people, including Rome, had 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.600 been murdered, and Hydrock and Himler were now free to 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:12.359 run the sd and Gestapo as they saw fit. This 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.320 is the Night of Long Knives. Hydrick is the big 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:19.919 man orchestrating this. Yeah, you gotta you gotta love a 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:24.760 foreign plot. That's just classic. That's a classic tactic. Just 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.679 uh you know, he's uh, he's sucking. I heard him 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:34.080 talking to a Portuguese guy about taking over. So uh 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.679 time the murder all of them. It's really it's it's smart. 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:44.040 It always works. Yep, yep. Now, um so after the 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.960 Night of Long Knives. The big thing that this does 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.679 is it removes the s S finally from underneath the 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.240 Essay shadow. And because of this, the Essay is able 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.440 to grow to become the preminent terror organization within the 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.919 Nazi state. Now, while Hydrick's career was soaring, his income 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:01.600 began to increase commence. Really as well, he benefited from 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.160 a number of loans from wealthy members of the Nazi Party, 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.119 which he was not expected to repay. He's basically just 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.640 being given money. It's graft, you know. So he's able 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.600 to build a mansion in a summer home and a 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.919 hunting lodge, and despite his new wealth, he could not 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.280 be ours to take care of his family. His parents 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.320 were destitute still, and they begged him for loans, despite 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.359 the fact that he'd begged them for a loan two 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.639 and a half years earlier. He turns them down and 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:29.320 doesn't give them a fucking dime. Yeah, it's he's cold 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.040 as ice. His sister repeatedly tells him their parents are 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.440 going to starve if he doesn't help, and eventually he's 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.000 able to give. He gives his mom like a little 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.119 bit of money, but he requires her to take care 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:41.880 of his kids in order to get it. Like he's 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:48.439 just like, yeah, he's just such a piece of ship. Yeah, 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:54.200 it's called program, And obviously we're talking about one of 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.760 the worst seas in history. Being addict to his family 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.600 kind of pales, but it's it's useful. It provides some 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.120 con text just because of like this guy wasn't even 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:07.760 nice to the people he loved. Like he's just a 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.919 real bad person. Yeah, it just it adds color to 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.040 it because you're just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.040 hates the Jews, he's going to kill all the communist 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.320 blah blah blah blah blah, but his his own mother. 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.040 Fucking Hey, Robert, Robert, you know who will be nice 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.960 to all of our moms? The products and services that 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.399 support this podcast, I mean one would hope except for 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:30.840 Raytheon because you know who likes to show up at 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:34.119 weddings his mom's and you know what Raytheon likes to 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:47.520 do to weddings. Ah, here's some ads. We're back and 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.120 we're talking about the Raytheon bit that I've been doing 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.760 for like a hearing change now probably our longest running bit, 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.480 and I try to like we've had a number of 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:57.560 running bits on the show that I try to recycle 0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.199 because I don't want to get old. You know, like 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.119 we don't do the dur stuff anymore, we don't go 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:03.640 through in bagels anymore, and we may I mean when 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.439 when we can go in person again. We'll have a 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.200 redux of throwing ship around the studio. Because it is fun. 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.720 But um, you don't want things to get too old. 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:12.959 I can't stand up with Raytheon. I can't quit them 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.879 because they're just they just give us material. There's an 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.600 company whose former executive runs the Defense Department who has 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:24.840 like orchestrated a series of who's who's like largely responsible 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.400 for instigating and continuing to fund violence in a number 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:32.080 of international countries in order to like make profit for themselves. 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.600 And their name is Raytheon. They're calling like fucking hell, 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:42.560 it's like a classic super villain name and the And 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:46.320 I also, you know, I love any any like evil 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:50.000 corporation social media account during any month in which they're 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.800 supposed to be like uh you know, sort of like 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.440 an ethnic pride or like a pride, and they're just 0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:02.760 we love trans people. Were Theon is asking all of 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:07.160 our all of our customers to be better. Yeah, love 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.440 it when IBM does ship like that, because like they 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.280 literally built the punch card system that tricks the Jews 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:17.080 that used in order to to orchestrate the Holocaust. Thanks IBM. 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.320 Surely Ray Theon will never be a part of anything 0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.320 like that. They wouldn't let their missile guidance technology be 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.200 used to massacre. I don't know, dissidence against the US 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.480 government or against like a US backed regime in a 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.080 foreign country. That would never be the race, not ray Theon. 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.640 They support all a A p I people, as you 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:44.640 can tell by last month tweet thanks for that ray Theon. God. 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.120 People keep like telling me that they found out that 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.280 the knife missile, the rn I n X exists and 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.080 they thought it was a joke. I was making it first, Like, 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.800 you can't joke about the funniest thing about the knife 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.360 missile too, is it's they built this missile that is 0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.560 just filled with knives so that they can kill people 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.200 who are like they can kill a single target without 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.160 killing the people around them, right, because a knife missile 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.480 less collateral damage than an I guess it's legitimately the 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.880 fun I think about the knife missile, it's the best 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.360 idea anyone's had in the war on terror in twenty years, like, 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.440 which just means it's not awful, but it's the only 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.440 good idea ever. And I was like, oh, hey, we 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.800 can actually kill less people with a knife missile. Yeah, right, 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.520 And it was invented by a middle schooler in the 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.240 nineties who like new metal. You know, it's the most 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.920 new metal idea. This is my band knife missile, oh 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:38.920 manon anyway, when compared. Yeah, so throughout the rest of 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.160 the early in mid nineteen thirties, Right and Harder Hydro 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.600 embarked in a project to take control of all political 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.240 intelligence gathering agencies in Germany. And I'm not going to 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.840 go into extreme detail about all the politicking and Nazi 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.040 in fighting here. The book Hitler's Hangman is I think 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.480 it's a very good biography, very readable biography. Goes into 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.640 a lot of detail about this um. What's important is 0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:00.640 how he directed the increasingly powerful intelligence ratis he came 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.040 to control. Now, early on, the Nazis had had real enemies, 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.960 you know, communists and social democrats were trying to stop 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.400 the Nazis, right, they were trying to make a different 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.840 kind of government. They were legitimately enemies of the Nazis. 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:17.360 By five right Hard largely rein Hard, But he and 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.120 his colleagues have wiped out the communist underground. There is 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.440 no more political opposition to the regime that has any 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.680 kind of meaningful power. Those guys have all been killed, 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:32.440 put in concentration camps or frightened outside of political activision activism. 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.720 This presented a problem because the Reich Interior Minister, a 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.160 guy named phil Helm Frick, who was a conservative more 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:43.040 than really a Nazi. Um. He doesn't uh, he doesn't 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:47.000 really want a totalitarian state, right, he wants a right 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:50.040 wing dominated state where the left is illegal. But he 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.320 doesn't want like, he doesn't want to live in what 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.400 Nazi Germany becomes. UM And he's on paper Himler's boss. 0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.520 And now that the regime has wiped out the left, 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.880 he's like, well, we should probably get rid of these 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.320 extra judicial powers we gave the s S to allow 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.840 them to wipe out the left. Otherwise this could get bad. 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.920 We don't want this to get weird. Yeah, well does 0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.880 it get bad? Frick giant piece of shit. So Frick. 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.440 There's a fight between him and Uh and Himmler and Hydrick, 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.840 and Frick loses this fight in June of nineteen thirty six, 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:25.440 when Hitler formally appoints Himmler head of all German police. 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.560 And I'm gonna quote from the book Hitler's Hangman here. 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.320 The victory of the s S and the power struggle 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.800 with the Reich Interior Ministry was primarily the result of 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.680 Hitler's decision to favor a more open ended definition of 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.680 Nazism's enemies, a definition which Hydric had crucially contributed to 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.400 and which went far beyond the persecution of the political 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.520 opposition that is typical of all dictatorships. In late nineteen 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.920 thirty four, Himler and Hydric came to the conclusion that 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.520 the justification of a permanent police state required a carefully 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:56.440 elaborated scenario portraying an all pervasive and subtly camouflaged network 0:32:56.480 --> 0:33:00.640 of enemies who made necessary and extensive and sophisticated security 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.440 system to detect, expose, and defeat them. In nineteen thirty 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.440 five and a series of articles for the s S 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.240 journal Dash Schwartz Corps and republished in nineteen thirty six 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:14.240 as the Transformations of Our Struggle, Hydric publicly defined such 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.240 threats and the means to combat them, indicating the need 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:21.560 for a momentous reorientation of the Gestapo's activities. His central 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.520 argument was that even after the successful elimination of the 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.440 KPD and the SPD, the Communists and the Social Democrats, 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.240 the enemies of the German people were by no means defeated. 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:33.800 After achieving the immediate goal of Hitler's appointment as chancellor 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.160 in January nineteen thirty three. Many Germans wrongly assumed that 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:40.440 Nazi rule was now permanently secured. Hydro consisted that the 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.680 battle was by no means over. Instead, the struggle against 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.640 Germany's enemies now faced its most difficult and ultimately its 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.160 decisive phase, which would require quote years of bitter struggle 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.360 in order to repulse and destroy the enemy once and 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.480 for all. According to Hydric, the driving forces of the 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:59.800 enemy always remained the same world jewry, world freemasonry, and 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.560 political priests who abused the freedom of religious expression and 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.920 spirituality of large portions of the population for political reasons. 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.520 First of all, I love that this is just like 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:15.640 the foreign plot is now coming from inside the house. Uh. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.799 It could be anyone specifically, the Jews and the Freemasons 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.960 and the Jesuits. The Jesuits, yes, which uh? And the 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:27.279 fucking they weren't these guys freemasons. Wasn't he a Freemason? 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.320 His dad was? His dad was? Yeah? No, wonder that 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:37.520 this is why he's letting his dad starve, Like I 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.440 think he believes only parts of what he's said. Of course, 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.600 now this is where we get into because again he's 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.680 saying this because it justifies his power. Right. This is 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.880 one of the most important things you have to understand 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.560 about the Nazis. First off, even when Hitler came to power, 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.960 it was not a foregone conclusion that Nazi Germany would 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.480 become the kind of tatalitarian state that it did, or 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.399 that the Holocaust would happen. We can argue over whether 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.360 or not Hitler had a grand scheme or a desire 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.960 to do that from the beginning, but it was not 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.279 foregone that he would have the power even once he 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.120 was in charge, because once he became the chancellor, there 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:12.879 are still a lot of people in the government, people 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.200 in the military, who could overthrow him, who could kick 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.279 him out, and who didn't agree with most of what 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.600 he was saying. Um And the evidence we have shows 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.000 that Hitler did not pursue genocide in an organized and 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.240 cohesive manner from the beginning of his time in power. 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.640 The pivot from left wingers as enemies to Jews and 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:35.120 other internal enemies, which was orchestrated by Hydrich and justified 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.680 by him in his public columns, was a key part 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:41.160 of why the Holocaust came to pass, and while Reinhard 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.080 was surely an anti Semite by this period, he did 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:48.560 this for fundamentally careerist reasons. If the Reich's new enemies 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.760 were elusive racial and religious enemies, the police were clearly 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.680 ill equipped to handle such a threat. He was able 0:35:55.719 --> 0:36:00.239 to increase his personal power and his personal clout by 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:05.040 pitching the s S his SS as the ideological shock troops, 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.120 which is what he called them of Nazism. Man. So 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:13.040 it's just like, uh, you know, it's completely void of 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:18.279 any ideology beyond your own personal power. Void because I 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.799 think he probably tells himself and believes elements of what 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.200 he's saying, But the ideology is secondary to the desire 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:28.000 from exactly, yeah, it's secondary to it. It's like, you know, 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.399 because you can take any German off the street and 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.000 uh in this period and they have you know, a 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:39.880 cultural fucking anti Semitism, right, But like this guy is 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:47.680 actively organizing a mass genocide because he wants a better 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.080 title and he wants more people to work under him. 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:55.000 I mean just like this is like this is the 0:36:55.080 --> 0:37:00.440 logical conclusion of anyone in like a PMC class. It's like, 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.200 I want to be the biggest baddest middle manager of 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:10.160 all time. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's kind of hydra Yeah, yeah, 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:17.160 he's a general side. Yeah. Now, Reinhard saw Freemasonry and 0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.520 communism in fact, and also the political church right, which 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:22.759 is the Catholic church here you said Jesuits earlier. That's 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.600 a big part of he goes after the Catholics. He 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.680 does have to be very careful going after the Catholics 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.680 because a lot of Germans are Catholics. And he and 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.759 I mean yeah, he is too, um so he One 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.160 of the ways he frames is that like Freemason's communists, 0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:40.200 these political clerics are agents of Judaism. So Judaism is 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.200 just one of a couple of internal enemies, but it's 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.840 the one that's behind the others generally, and in fact, 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.800 all social justice movements and they do frightenness is like 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.600 they call it. Social justice movements are part of a 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.319 scheme to weaken Germany by the Jews. In order to 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.280 combat this scheme, Hydrick and his men would need quote 0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:01.560 utter hardness. He acknowledged that the cruelty his men would 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.600 have to display in order to do what was necessary 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.640 would be difficult for them, saying at one meeting quote 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.480 it is almost too difficult for an individual. But we 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.799 must be hard as granite or else our viewer's work 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:18.400 will be in vain. Much later people will be grateful 0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.920 for what we have taken upon us. God, it's just 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.640 like we all have to just stick together, just a 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:29.520 bunch of men, hard as a rock, hard, a hard dude, 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:33.880 just hard dudes, just fucking Oh, I'm talking vaining and hard. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.480 That's what we have to be in order to accomplish this. 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:42.440 Hidrick was a major reason why the German police operated 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.319 throughout the Reich in a permanent state of emergency. That's 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.520 his a big part his doing. He's the guy who 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.760 suggests this. At least he's like, we have extra powers 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.680 because of a state of emergency. If the state of 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.240 emergency is over, because you've purged all of your political enemies, 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:57.759 you lose those powers. So he's like, no, no, no no, 0:38:58.080 --> 0:38:59.719 because of all the Jews in the Freeman, there's still 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.120 an immer ergencies, so we need these powers, though they 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:06.399 never leave this state of emergency. Um now, to help 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.040 develop new plans to deal with this new threat, he 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.160 brings experts into the s S. One of these experts, 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.200 his Jewish expert is a guy you might have heard 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:20.040 of named Adolph Aikman. Now later on in the sixties, 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.440 when he goes to trial and is eventually executed by 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.799 the State of Israel. Um Hannah rent Will famously right 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.000 of Aikman that he embodied the banality of evil because 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.160 he's he's a middle manager type guy. He's his dude 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.120 who looks like someone you might see in lying at 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:38.400 the fucking elementary school picking his kid up in a minivan. Um, 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.560 and he's a big He's like Hydrick and that he's 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.000 a he's an implementation guy. You know, he's not the 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.799 guy out they're giving the speeches. He doesn't get anybody like. 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.520 He doesn't he doesn't fire up the masses. But in 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.840 a meeting when you've got like multiple different government agencies, 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.520 Hydrock and Eichmann are the guys who are capable of 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.920 wrangling everyone together. They're like whips in the Senate, right, 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.200 they whip votes, they whip support together, and they organize 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.880 and figure out how to carry out plans of action. 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.279 Adolf Eichman is hired to the s S as his 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.720 Jewish expert, and his experience for being a Jewish expert 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:18.280 is that Um not not. At that point he eventually 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:22.400 does learn Sebieish. He had been a salesman um and 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.160 he liked crime books. He liked he liked, he liked 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:28.200 detective novels. He liked the same books that Hidrick did. 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.960 That's why he gets the job. You're the jew expert. 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.480 You like the same books, and you you used to 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.880 go to that deli all the time. You know what 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:43.080 locks one skin? You've had aer Dill? Tell us about them? 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.000 What are they like? The articles Hydric wrote about the 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.000 internal Jewish threat played a direct role in bringing on 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:53.960 what scholars called the second anti Semitic wave in Nazi Germany, 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.280 which began in nineteen thirty five with mass spontaneous violence 0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:00.719 against Jewish people in businesses. Hydrock did this because it 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.239 was bad for the economy and for the sense of order. 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.520 He knew that the German middle class, center right families 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.960 did not like seeing that ship. The Nuremberg laws. Then 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:15.280 we're a response to street anti semitism. The Nuremberg laws 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.640 existed to stop people from beating and murdering Jews in 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.799 the street and destroying their businesses. Because that ship is 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:25.360 bad for business. Right, there were like no, no, no, no, no, listen, 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.920 we're gonna do this through the state. We're gonna have 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:33.080 this state put they're they're metaphorical boot on their neck. Yes, 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:37.000 we need to oppress the Jews with law, not with 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.640 random street violence, exactly exactly. And we need to know 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.920 you know what constitutes did you? We need to know 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.640 how much blood you need to have, you know how 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:50.240 many how many times you know you've been to the theater. 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.000 You know, we need to know all this stuff first 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.120 before we can categorize you exactly. And that's a big 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.120 part of the Nuremberg Laws. We're not going to go 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.680 into nearly enough to tail. I mean, there's whole just 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:04.920 about the Nuremberg Laws, and there's this process of determining 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.360 what a Jew is because this is and this is 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.440 a big misconception. The Jews are not targeted by the 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:15.680 Nazi state for their religion. They are targeted for their ethnicity. 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.680 If you're a someone who had a Jewish mom and 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.560 you're a hardcore Protestant or a Catholic, you're a Jew. 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.280 To ryanhard Hydrick. If you're an atheist and you marry 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:30.560 a fucking bohemian woman who's a Catholic, you're a Jew. 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.120 To Ryan Hard Hydrick, it didn't even matter if it 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.440 was within Jewish law, like if you had a Jewish 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.120 father but not a Jewish mother, like you know, that's 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.839 not haloic lee Jewish. But and it depends because like 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.440 the under the Nuremberg laws, I think that guy wouldn't 0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:48.320 be a Jew. He changed, Yeah, he he liked the 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.120 Nuremberg Laws, but he thought they didn't go far enough. 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.040 And his big issues is that, well, this doesn't define 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.640 enough people as Jewish, right, there's too many ways for 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.880 someone with Jewish ancestry to slip into the people's racial community. 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:02.360 And that's a problem for me. But he sees still 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.960 this is a big step forward, right, the Nuremberg laws, 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:08.720 because now there's this is the first real legal justification 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:14.480 for for sustained persecution of the Jews under the Nazi regime. Now, 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.960 in nineteen thirty four, Hydroc had suggested in an internal 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.680 memo that quote the aim of Jewish policies must be 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.879 the immigration of all Jews, and he urged that voluntary 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:27.920 immigration could be achieved by creating a legal climate so 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.840 oppressive that Jewish people could no longer stand to stay 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:34.239 in the Reich. To further this end. In nineteen thirty five, 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.960 he had the Gestapo start keeping track of all Jewish 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.440 German residents. In nineteen thirty six, he started monitoring their 0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.279 financial transactions to stop them from putting their money in 0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.520 foreign banks. They had to leave, but he wanted most 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:50.680 of their wealth to remain. Now. Hydrock supported to an 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.879 extent the Zionist movement in Palestine UM and in fact 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:55.480 he had we have these memos from him where he's 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.160 saying like, I want to crack down on any sort 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:02.120 of organizations supporting jew Is assimilation into German culture when 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.960 we should support the Zionist movement UM. And in fact, 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:10.600 he actually sends Adolf Eichman to Palestine in the thirties 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.120 to talk with a member of the Haganah UM which 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.160 becomes the I d F, to discuss how they could 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:18.759 further urge further immigration. And this there's we should go 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:20.719 into more detail about. There's some wild ship at this meeting, 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:24.120 including the fact that this this UH, this emissary of 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:28.439 the Zionist movement tells Aikman that the German like they're 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.440 having problems with the German Jews who were leaving Germany 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.879 and coming to Palestine because number one, they don't plan 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.239 to stay. They want to go back to Europe. And there, 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.400 in his words, workshy, which is also what the Nazis described. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.439 It's it's really a lot of interesting history. They're very 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:47.640 interesting internal anti Semitism amongst the kind of like right 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:51.080 wing class in Israel. Yeah, and it it doesn't like again, 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.440 as soon as the war starts with the vast majority 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.080 of the Zionist movement, like is not just anti Nazi 0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:01.000 is like actively shooting Nazis of course, the but there's there's, 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.000 as we talked about in some other episodes, there's a 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.640 chunk of them that are willing to work with these 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:10.920 guys because they both think Jews shouldn't assimilate. Um. Now, 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.479 even the Nazis were not uniform in their attitudes about 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:15.880 what should be done to the Jews. And again, this 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.680 is actually a thing that there's a lot of debate 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.680 over because there's large chunks of the Nazi party who 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.120 want the street violence, who think that the programs are 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.080 the way to go about achieving their wins. Gebel's is 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.360 a big chunk of this. Gebel supports kind of a 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.959 calodic melange of Boycott's street violence and vandalism against Jews. 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.560 That's why he and his propaganda arms are trying are 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.879 stirring up a lot of this street violence, right, That's 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:40.080 their goal is to get Germans out in the street 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.919 doing violence and destroying Jewish property and hi like, there's 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.640 a big competition between these two wings of the of 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.520 the German Party, both of which are essentially proposing different 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.680 answers to the Jewish question. Gebel's is saying, you know, 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:55.719 we beat them and kill them in the street force 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.439 and that will force you know, the ones we don't 0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.600 beat and kill to leave. Hydrick is saying, no, no no, no, 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.080 we is the law to in an orderly way oppressed 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:05.040 them so that they leave. Those are two different answers 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.799 to the Jewish question. In late nineteen thirty five, these 0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.000 various sides of the Nazi Party kind of came together decided, like, 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:13.840 we can't keep arguing over this, we have to have 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.120 a concerted strategy um and they held a big how 0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.839 to racism meeting. Now, the impetus of this was a 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.560 massive program in nineteen thirty five that did millions of 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.439 dollars in damage to the German economy, because again, when 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.600 you run through the streets, destroying businesses and departments. It's 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:34.319 bad for business, right, Yeah, it's these these economies don't 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:38.280 exist in a vacuum. Like you're actively hurting the German 0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.759 economy as well when you're doing this. Yeah, and so 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:45.320 in this like this meeting is actually is called because 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:48.960 the German economic minister a guy named Hilmar Shocked Um 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.440 who's a friend of the Dullest brothers and also I 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:55.520 think a friend of of the Koch brother's dad. Um. 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:57.960 He's an anti Simon, but he's I'll just tell you, 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:07.680 I am Shocked Shocked. That's good. So he felt that 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.840 the economic consequences of this were unacceptable, and so he 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:12.600 holds this meeting to be like, we have to figure 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.920 out a better way to do this. And Hydrick is 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.200 very much in agreement with Shocked in this, and he 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:19.279 takes this meeting as an opportunity to try to whip 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.160 again the thing he does best. He tries to whip 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.479 everyone in line behind his strategy. Um. He says during 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.719 the meeting quote the only way to both get the 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.120 Jews out and avoid violence is a concerted campaign of 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.640 economic marginalization Um. He also suggested a ban on mixed marriage, 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.080 the prosecution of sexual intercourse between Jews and Arians, and 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.640 restrictions of Jewish freedom of movement. His suggestion in this 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:45.160 meeting led directly to the Nuremberg Laws, which were formulated 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.759 that September. So again that's why this all happens. So 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.280 the Nuremberg Laws are the legal basis for all organized 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:53.040 Nazi persecution of Jews and the first concrete step towards 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.240 the Holocaust. And Hydrick's performance in that meeting, his ability 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.960 to wrangle his fellow Nazis towards his desired plan of action, 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:04.440 establishes him as the leading Nazi authority on the Jewish question. Now, 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:06.759 the mid nineteen thirties are also the height of the 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.480 weird Nazi period. This is the time when the occult 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.359 wings of the party where at their strongest. The ship 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.520 you see in Hell Boy, right, elements that were real. 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.399 There was a bunch of weird like Heinrich Kimler thinking 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:19.520 he's the reincarnation of a Danish prince. Right, Hitler's best 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:23.759 buddy who Rudolph. I think it was Rudolf hess Um 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.000 who was like super into the occult and was like 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.759 doing like seances and ship. Yeah, this is when they 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.759 went like doing like full nerd ship, just learning out 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.799 on paganism. And that's not a big factor once the 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.080 war starts, even right before the war starts, and in 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:40.400 fact Hess's flight to Europe because he kind of loses 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.960 his mind and floors to England to try and that's 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:44.400 like a big part of like because he had been 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.640 such an advocate of this, and because he had so, 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:48.920 Hitler saw it as like a kind of a betrayal 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:51.640 like that that kind of spells an into the influence 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.400 of that. But there's always a level of it in 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.520 the s S um and this has talked about a lot. 0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.640 It's probably over emphasized now. It's fair to say Heinrich Kimler, 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.799 hit or the other big Nazis didn't trust his Christianity, 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:06.040 particularly Catholicism, and they wanted to minimize its influence, both 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:08.960 in the Reich and in the s S. To this end, 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.800 Hitler replaced marriage ceremonies for s S men with the Huy, 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.600 which was a new fascist wedding ritual. He replaced Easter 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.600 celebrations with Midsummer celebrations, and he brought in a whole 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:22.160 host of pagan rituals. He claimed were ancient German old 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.759 time religion. Now this new quasi faith that Himler kind 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.920 of cobbles together for the s S is called gout 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:31.280 glaubit Kite and it was not popular. Again, this gets 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:34.279 over emphasized and its height. About two of the s 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.880 S follows this whatever you want to call it, religion 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:41.200 about are Protestant and the rest are Catholic. Hydrick is 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:45.000 one of the who buys into Himler's weird neo pagan 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.799 Nazi thing, although this is more todying. He's trying to 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:52.280 impress his boss by doing this. After the war, Lena 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.520 Hydric would claim that she and her husband made fun 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.319 of Himler's weird religion in private, so he's not very 0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.960 committed to this. It does. He's doing virtue virtue signal 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.919 those Nazi is Nazi overlords. But you know who won't 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:09.920 virtue signal to their Nazi overlords, Matt is that the 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.799 products and services. That's that is right. It is the 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.879 products and services that support this podcast. None of them 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:25.480 our believers in German pagan SS philosophy. Yeah, they will 0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:30.319 never do weird Nazi weddings unless you want them to. Yeah, 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.680 I mean well, Okay, let's just let's just all the 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:43.960 ads at this point. Ah, we're back. So in nine six, 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.880 Hydric launched a systematic torture campaign against the Jehovah's Witnesses 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.239 and the Jehovah's Witnesses. This is important to note in 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:53.280 terms of like absolute numbers, not a lot of these guys, 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.239 not a sizeable chunk of the Holocaust, although a lot 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.759 of them get killed relative to their population. But the 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.000 Jehovah's Witnesses are only group in the Third Reich who 0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:05.440 was persecuted purely on the basis of their religion. Um. 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.640 And that's because Jehovah's Witnesses refused to swear allegiance to 0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:11.080 governments um. And that makes them enemies of the state 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.960 under the Nazis. Hydrick's crackdown would eventually lead six thousand 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:18.839 witnesses being arrested and interned in concentration camps. Hundreds died 0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:20.759 in camps who were executed straight away. I think they 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:25.799 wore a purple triangle in the concentration camps. Um. Now, 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:29.920 Hydrick's prosecution of Freemasonry was, by comparison, a lot less brutal, 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.520 mainly because Freemasons didn't hold that much power, and like 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:35.280 none of them are willing to die for their dumb clubs. 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:36.880 So once the Nazis take power, they all just kind 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.600 of leave and he confiscates their stuff and he puts 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.840 it in a museum. In subsequent years he establishes another 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.719 similar museum which is filled with Jewish artifacts. And that's 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.560 kind of his idea, is like, we need to have 0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:50.759 these museums to show people the dangers of this ideology 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:52.960 and like how how but also how silly it is, 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:56.239 and like how like that's that's the and what do 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:59.000 you put in museum? But things that no longer exist 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:02.520 and are now in the past exactly the shadowing fucking 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:08.520 scumbag shit ever, m it's good ship um. In ninety seven, 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.880 Hydroc had his criminal police launched a massive dragnet operation 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:16.160 against what he called habitual criminals and A socials. Now, 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.480 these were people who didn't work or didn't work enough, 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.400 or lived on the street, or made their living in 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.560 a less than legal manner. By the end of nineteen 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:26.560 thirty eight, nearly twenty thousand A socials were in preventative detention. 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:29.759 These people were also sent to concentration camps, mostly as 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:32.319 a scare tactic. The Reich was in the midst of 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.080 a labor shortage, and the point of this particular campaign 0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:38.400 was to force people to work, not to kill them. Now, 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.960 all these different crusades in the late thirties tax the 0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:44.000 concentration camp system, which had not been well planned from 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:47.000 the beginning. In late nineteen six to thirty seven, the 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:49.719 s S re organized the camps, shutting down most of 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.840 the old ones and building new ones modeled off of 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:56.239 Dachau from Hitler's Hangman quote. The Dachow model, designed to 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:59.040 regiment the prisoners and dehumanize their relations with the guards, 0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.920 was based on a system of graded punishment for various offenses, 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:05.400 which ranged from denial of food to execution. To dehumanize 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.560 relationship with prisoners, the guard's behavior was regulated to maintain 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.520 distance and eliminate human contact. The first of these camps 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.320 was Saxonhausen, north of Berlin, and if you're ever in Berlin, 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:18.719 I really recommend taking a tour of Saxonhausen Um. The 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.760 German government is a very good job of of doing 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.080 has done a good job of making these places into museums. 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.560 And when you get a tour at one of these places. 0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:29.719 It's not just like some dude who's doing a summer job, 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.280 some kid. It's somebody with like a degree like they 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:35.320 they the people who work there. I've talked with a 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:37.359 number of them. I did this tour. You can have 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.080 long converse about Hannah Rent, about the nature of fascism, 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.520 about the development. They're very knowledgeable. Um. I walked away 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.319 very impressed, and we did. The tour I went on 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:47.960 was in like the dead of December, so you know, 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.840 you're covered in snow, it's freezing outside, and everybody is 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.360 like you're bundled up. It's the German winter, you know, 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:57.799 and you're walking around you're seeing this concentration camp. You're 0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:59.120 seeing that. I think one of the things that really 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.440 stuck with me is they had these concrete pits, which 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:03.800 are like these square pits like ten or fifteen feet 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:06.200 deep with a great on top of them that people 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.000 would be stuck in for days at a time, and 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.040 you could look in and you could see the marks 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:13.600 where they'd clawed at the concrete. Um you're like fingernail 0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:15.920 marks still in it. And you would walk around like 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.839 freezing your ass off, just utterly miserable in this cold, 0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:20.880 and you would go inside and the first thing you 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.040 would see was one of the concentration camp uniforms, which 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.759 is this threadbare black and white unitard thing. And it's 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:34.320 just like this immediately oh oh yeah, yeah, certainly uh. 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:37.720 Not taking the cold of the German winter into account 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:40.640 with the universe well, or you could argue taking it 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:43.120 very much into account and you to tell people, you know. 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:47.040 Um So, Hydrick was one of the major drivers and 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.520 backers of the Dacow model, and it's worth noting that, 0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:54.120 unlike him, Heinrich Hemmler, Himler has trouble visiting and the 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:59.759 concentration camps. He faints at Auschwitz, he does repeatedly. Here's 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:02.520 the thing, though he repeatedly visits these camps to see 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:08.480 what they're doing. Um Hydroch almost never does. Now. This 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.520 is probably not because it was too horrifying for him. 0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.319 In fact, his biographer thinks it was because he wasn't 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.560 actually in charge of the camp, right he decides who 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.560 goes there and who's released from there. Once he's inside 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:22.719 the camps, he's in somebody else's domain. And Theodore Ike, 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:25.160 who we talked about earlier, the guy who's running the camps, 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:28.680 he doesn't like Theodore Um. They're both political enemies and 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.399 they both are competing for Himler's favor Um, and so 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:34.080 like he doesn't want to go to the camps because 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:37.680 he's he's putting himself basically in someone else's territory. I 0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:39.960 love it. It's like, why don't you go to these 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:42.960 camps that you built to murder millions and millions of people? Oh, 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.560 I don't want to be rude to a coworker. Yeah, well, 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.360 I will say at this point, these are not camps 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:54.279 to murder people. Murder happens, but the German concentration camps 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:56.560 at this point he could argue no worse than the 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.880 British concentration camps for the Bowers, no worse, certainly no 0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.120 worse than some of the things that the Spanish camps did, 0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.680 No worse the British themselves had done. At this point, 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:08.600 there's a difference. And the thing is Hydrick, with these 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:11.799 concentration camps is stealing an idea from people and it 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:14.200 becomes more brutal than what it existed before. When they 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:17.399 transition to the Daco model, that is an escalation from 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:21.160 what concentration camps had been. He certainly didn't invent it, 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:25.279 nor did they invent the race science used to just 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.600 what they invent are the death camps. That is an 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:33.440 innovation that Hydric gets. Um. Yeah, well, and again that's 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:35.680 what this episode is about. So by the late nineteen thirties, 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:38.040 Hydrick is on paper a member of the upper middle 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:41.640 class and in reality he's basically a millionaire. This happens 0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:43.160 to all of the big Nazis, and the way it 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.520 worked for them is that they would receive allowances from 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:48.120 the Gestapo, gifts and loans from prominent men and the 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:51.920 Reich Um and his his rough income on paper like 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.280 what he would legally admit to having was about seven 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:57.480 times with a middle class German made um, and despite 0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.760 the fact that they're now rolling in cash have multiple 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:03.560 home Lena constantly complained that his salary was quote barely 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:07.520 sufficient to live on in When his salary was increased 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:10.040 yet again to eight times a German middle class income, 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:14.640 he cut the salaries of his two domestic servants, again 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.000 minor compared to the death camps. But it shows you, 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:21.360 like this guy is comprehensively I mean, yeah, he's going 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:26.040 through a checklist of like fucking bullshit behavior of just 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:30.640 but now evil ship, like fucking cutting the income. And 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.160 also I love I love that his his wife is 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.720 like still being like, you know, you don't make enough 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.320 money and he just has to be like the women. 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:42.520 Am I right? He always complaining about not having enough money. 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:47.160 Was the shopping Oh my god, my mind got mine, 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:58.800 got god. So Heidrick and Hitler first met at a 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.840 birthday reception or the fewer in the early nineteen thirties, 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.960 and Hitler was impressed by Hydrick's aryan looks and impressed 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.320 by the fact that he and his wife are both 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.160 kind of like arians, and in fact, when he sees them, 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.920 he says, what a beautiful couple. I am most impressed. 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:16.880 I just I love every reaction to uh, to this 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:21.960 guy is just like other Germans going, wow, he's very attractive. Yeah, 0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:24.640 you're just like vow you look like just supposed to look. Yeah, 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:28.240 like none of us actually look. Yeah you look. This 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:30.960 is what she's saying into propagandas as we look like 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.720 I love, I just want the world field with Zach 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:41.880 Morris is normal, screaches, normal, screech just Zach Morris. Now. Um. 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:44.800 Despite that, Hitler, you know, is impressed with him from 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.120 early on, especially kind of just likes the way he 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:50.240 looks um. Reynhard is never really in Hitler's inner circle. 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:53.920 They're not personally friends, but the fewer increasingly by the 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:56.160 late thirties, cames to trust him and see him as 0:58:56.160 --> 0:59:00.880 loyal and talented, and he gives Hydrick increasing sponsibility for 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:04.520 settling the Jewish question. Now in the late nineteen thirties, 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:06.760 this is a fun little aside story, we gotta tell it. 0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:09.720 This is part of his establishment of the Nazi security state. 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.120 In the late thirties, Ryanhard becomes aware of a woman 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:15.920 named Kitty Schmidt who operated a brothel in Berlin now 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.720 is Germany's had a cop. His job is technically to 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.560 arrest her, but he had a better idea. He had 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.160 the s S take over the brothel and fill it 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:27.520 with wire taps. Kitty still ran everything. He allowed her to, 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:29.760 allowed her to keep running her brothel as long as 0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:31.160 he could use it. There's kind of it's kind of 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.960 like the Nazi best little horhouse in Texas and his 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:43.480 fascist Burt Reynolds, My god, what a visual. So yeah, 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:48.160 So the SS Kitty like they basically re evamped this brothel, 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.360 and they do it for a specific reason. They want 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:54.680 to collect intelligence using prostitutes. So they first off kind 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:56.920 of let go a lot of like the staff. They 0:59:56.960 --> 0:59:59.560 see his lower class, and they hire high class German ladies. 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:01.720 Most of the women working here are like the wives 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:04.840 or at least mistresses of wealthy, upper class German men. 1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:08.000 We have a recruitment profile for women who work at 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:11.120 the brothel which reads, quote, wanted our women and girls 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:20.240 who are intelligent, multi lingual, nationalistically minded, and furthermore, man crazy. 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:24.560 We want the most boy crazy. We want horny fascist bitches. 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:31.240 That's give me all your horny fascist pitches, just like 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:41.560 radio commercials are your horny fascist bit where Hi, I'm 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:49.280 just laying maxwell. And so the targets of this information 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:53.040 gathering operation were German military officers. So a lot of 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:56.320 them weren't Nazis. Right, most people aren't Nazis even in 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:59.800 the Nazi regime at this point. Um, so German military 1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:02.280 off users who might not be loyal to Hitler, but 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:06.600 also other Nazis and visiting foreign dignitaries. Right, So Reinhard 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:08.640 and his men, would you know they would sit down, 1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:10.120 they would a meeting with some guy. You know, maybe 1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:12.439 they're having a meeting about some security matter. Maybe they're 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:14.560 having a meeting with a foreign ally and they would 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:15.680 at the end of the meeting be like, hey, you 1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:17.680 know you're in Berlin for another day or two for 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:20.120 this meeting. Here, here's a special code word. If you 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:22.520 go to this brothel, they'll give you the special menu 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.320 with this code word. And the menu did entitle them 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:27.560 to the special menu of these like super you know, 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:30.560 from what the Nazis point of view, high class prostitutes. 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.840 But the menu when you came in and told Kitty 1:01:33.920 --> 1:01:37.880 Schmidt this password, it also told her, okay, turn on 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.880 the recording equipment. They want to eavesdrop on this guy 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:43.840 while he's fucking. I should have known when the passwords 1:01:43.840 --> 1:01:48.040 they gave me was honey popped, but I didn't put 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:51.840 the pieces together. So one of the customers of this brothel, 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:53.800 it was the son in law and foreign minister of 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:59.720 Fascist Italy, who repeatedly insulted Hitler while he was fucking. 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:05.400 Hitler's a chip. I hate a little bad I can 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:08.320 never do this. He can't fuck this good. He's kind 1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:11.360 of a funk like me. Look at the size of 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:18.480 my penny. He has a one ball, single meat. The 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:20.880 ball he has the only nay, I want to meat 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:24.920 the ball and it's not the spicy one. Oh boy. 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:29.360 Another who didn't give away anything evidently when he was 1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:32.120 there was s S. General Sep Dietrich, who is a 1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:35.080 terrifying man in some ways. Sep Dietrich is the founder 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:39.600 of the idea of special forces. Um like, he's a 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:43.440 really legitimately frightening man. Um and Sept Dietrich when he 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:46.200 goes into this brothel heet he gets the code word. 1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:47.880 He seems to know he's being recorded, but he just 1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:50.240 wants to fuck. So he goes in and demands all 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:52.400 twenty of the women on the menu and has an 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:57.320 all night orgy with these ladies. Beautiful. You know, I mean, 1:02:57.360 --> 1:03:00.960 I hate this guy on principle, but you know, if 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:02.560 you're gonna do it, you know, live it up and 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:07.920 just shut yeah. Gebbels was also a frequent customer. He 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.840 was said to enjoy lesbian displays. Another big customer was 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:13.240 a major German tank ace who liked to drink toilet 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:19.160 water after women use the bathroom. Um yeah, classic German 1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:23.800 shies upon yeah. Hydric himself also regularly visited the brothel, 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:28.360 although the microphones were turned off for his visits. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:03:28.760 --> 1:03:34.120 well yep, I mean, that's an amazing, amazing aside. You know, 1:03:34.360 --> 1:03:37.600 just like the levels of evil of this person, they 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:42.640 just run the gamut. He's real piece of shit. So 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:46.400 when Germany annexed Austria, Hydric's job was to put together 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:48.200 a team of s S men to go into the 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:51.880 stolen country and arrest political prisoners. In addition to putting 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:54.600 two thousand people in camps, Hydrick's men launched a targeted 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:58.680 operation to confiscate Jewish property. He announced that anyone caught 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:01.280 stealing from Jews though during this period would be punished 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:04.680 mercilessly because their wealth was property of the Reich. So both, 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:06.680 we're going to take everything that Jews have, but if 1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:12.760 random citizens start taking their ship, you're stealing from the government. Um. Now. 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:15.520 There was, of course, a wide gulf between rhetoric and reality. 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:17.800 The kind of men who joined the s S were thugs, 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:19.800 and they were never able to help themselves from beating 1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:22.680 and murdering and robbing no matter what Hydric said. A 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.080 big part of his job was putting out the pr 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.320 fires started by his subordinates. Much of the violence of 1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:31.720 the Angelus came from Austrian Nazis who took the end 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:34.080 of their old government as an opportunity to let loose. 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:37.280 They burned and looted businesses. Jews were forced by crowds 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:41.200 to kneel and scrub the streets. One observer later recalled quote, 1:04:41.760 --> 1:04:45.040 the underworld had opened up its gates and set loosed 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:49.400 its lowest, most disgusting hordes. The city transformed itself into 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:53.080 a nightmarish painting by Hieronymous Bosch. Demons seemed to have 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:56.240 crawled out of filthy eggs and risen from marshy burrows. 1:04:56.600 --> 1:04:59.960 The air was constantly filled with a desolate, hysterical shrieking, 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:03.960 and people's faces were distorted, some with fear, others with lies, 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:10.760 still others with wild hate filled triumph one star review, 1:05:12.480 --> 1:05:19.040 one star for the Angels Now. When the violence prompted 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:21.600 an outcry, and again an outcry even from some people 1:05:21.720 --> 1:05:24.400 who were in within the German government, Hydric blamed the 1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:30.920 Pegram on disguised communists. It's the left, it's anti always, 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:35.520 it's always that oh man. He said. They were trying 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:38.560 to make Germany look bad and create propaganda for her 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:43.400 foreign enemies. After the initial uncontrolled violence, Hydrick ss was 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:46.400 able to push a more orderly terror. He established a 1:05:46.440 --> 1:05:49.880 central office in Vienna which would take in catalog Jewish 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:52.160 property at the same time as it produced thousands of 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:55.640 exit visas to allow Jewish families to leave the country. 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:58.480 And basically the idea was that we're taking the property 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.400 of the rich Jews to a for the process of 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:04.680 get of of immigrating the other ones out of here, 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:07.960 getting the exit vas is sending them elsewhere. Now, this 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:11.040 system would become a model used by other Nazi annexations, 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:13.400 but it did not go quickly enough for many Germans. 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:16.040 The Anschluss brought two hundred thousand more Jews into the 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:18.560 German Reich, which more than canceled out the hundred and 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:20.320 twenty eight thousand who had left by the end of 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:23.960 nineteen thirty seven. The most racist Germans were frustrated by this, 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:28.280 and Hydrock responded with a crackdown on Polish Jewish immigrants 1:06:28.320 --> 1:06:31.000 in Germany. So one of the problems is they're trying 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:32.520 to get these people out as fast as they can, 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:35.280 and they're even to the point where if you're rich, 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:36.880 they take some of your money, they'll leave you with 1:06:36.880 --> 1:06:38.720 some of it, because otherwise you're not going to be 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:42.080 taken anywhere. Um. And it's in general the biggest problem 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:43.880 they have is and this is one of the things 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:45.360 you do have to point out when you talk about, 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:48.720 for example, Jewish immigration to Palestine during this period, that 1:06:48.840 --> 1:06:50.600 was one of the only places they could go. That 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.600 was the number one place that Jewish refugees were able 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:56.760 to go. Everywhere was close to them. Everywhere else. Yeah, 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.800 the United States would not take any Jewish. We let 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:03.640 boats full of Jewish refugees drowned in the ocean because 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:06.680 we wouldn't let them onto our shore. So and this 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:09.520 is a problem for the Nazis, right, because they're trying 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:12.720 to get these people out, but it's difficult. They're not 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.080 taking it. And the places that are taking them are 1:07:15.080 --> 1:07:18.480 places like Czechoslovakia, which then the Germans take more places 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:20.960 like Poland, which they want, and like the Polish the 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:23.680 Polish state is as racist almost as the German state. 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:26.240 So the Polish state, these Jews who had fled Poland 1:07:27.120 --> 1:07:29.960 because there were programs in the early nineteen hundreds into 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:32.960 Germany and had become German residents, get kicked out and 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:36.560 forced into Poland, who denies their citizenship. So They're like, 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:40.600 it's a whole fucking mess. No, it's the Earth. Earth 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:44.760 in the thirties, real bad place, real bad place for 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:49.080 the Jews. Nobody wanted him, and uh yeah, it's it's 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:52.160 not fun for us. And in nineteen thirty eight, one 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:54.320 of the families who gets caught up in this, Hydrick 1:07:54.440 --> 1:07:58.120 is pushing the Polish refugees out of Germany. Um Poland 1:07:58.160 --> 1:08:00.200 doesn't want to take them. One of the family leads 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:02.760 who gets sucked over in this are the green Spawns 1:08:03.320 --> 1:08:06.520 g r y n s z p a n s 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:09.360 but I think it's pronounced green Span or something like that. 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:12.440 Their son, Herschel lived in Paris, and he was outraged 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:14.240 by his family suffering by the fact that they've gotten 1:08:14.320 --> 1:08:16.599 kicked out of Germany after barely building a life there. 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:19.679 And you know this, he's kind of goes mad with grief. 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:23.840 And because everything seems fucked up, nothing seems nothing. The 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.639 Nazis aren't facing any consequences for their actions, the international 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:29.360 community isn't doing ship to stop it. He can't think 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:31.000 of anything better to do that to get a gun 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:34.320 and go shoot a Nazi politician living in Paris, a 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:41.559 guy who he did nothing wrong. Herschel Greenspan did nothing, 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:46.840 nothing wrong. Yeah, he shoots this guy Ernst von Roth 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:51.080 um and and von Roth eventually dies of his injuries. 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:52.880 And then, to quote from a write up in Bleaker 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:56.240 Street Media here about what came next. Three days later, 1:08:56.320 --> 1:08:59.080 Hydrick sent out a memo with the subject line measures 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:03.400 against the US Tonight, a communication that directed the police 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:06.519 to maintain a hands off policy to the spontaneous national 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:10.479 riots that Joseph Gebel's and he had orchestrated. All night long. 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:14.400 Jewish businesses were destroyed, homes vandalized or destroyed, and families 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:17.160 rounded up and arrested, if not killed. In London at 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:20.800 the Times calculated the damage quote no foreign propagandists bent 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:23.519 on blacketting Germany before the world could outdo the tale 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:26.559 of burnings and beatings of blackguardly assaults on the fenceless 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:30.280 and innocent people which disgraced that country. Yesterday, more than 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:33.719 a thousand synagogues and seven thousand Jewish businesses had been attacked, 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.040 more than ninety people had been murdered, and thirty thousand 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:38.920 Jews were arrested and sent to concentration camps. To add 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:41.720 insult to injury, the Jewish people whose property had been 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:44.000 destroyed were charged by the state with its clean up. 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:47.160 This is the Night of Broken Glass. This is Christal 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:50.360 Knocked and Hydrick is not the only one behind it, 1:09:50.400 --> 1:09:53.439 but he's one of the organizing forces behind Christal Knocked. 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:56.920 And maybe that seems a little bit odd considering his 1:09:56.960 --> 1:10:00.360 attitude towards street violence. But just wait for what comes next. 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:03.559 There's a reason why this is not the worst thing 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:07.879 in the world for him. No, yeah, you're slowly becoming 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:11.920 more and more okay with this. Well, it's even more 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:14.840 subtle than that. It's even shittier than that. So the 1:10:14.920 --> 1:10:16.400 Night of Broken Glass. A lot of people don't know. 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:19.160 This was a disaster for the Nazis and seen by 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:22.719 Hitler and Gering in particular as a horrible idea because 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:25.200 it brings them all this really bad international pr It 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:30.360 makes Badya in the international community. Um, and it fucks 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.000 the economy. It does millions and millions of dollars to 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:35.840 damage the economy. It sets back their five year plan. 1:10:36.280 --> 1:10:39.439 It's a real big problem for a lot of Nazis. 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:44.320 And because they're so unhappy about what has happened during 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:47.559 the Night of Broken Glass, they have a second big 1:10:47.600 --> 1:10:50.160 meeting of all the Nazis to be like, guys, we 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:53.920 gotta get on the same page about this. So because 1:10:53.960 --> 1:10:56.960 there's another that Hydric helps to instigate and ensure won't 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:59.479 be stopped by his police, because there's another mass violent 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:03.200 pagrah that creates enough negative thought towards street violence that 1:11:03.280 --> 1:11:06.599 there's another meeting. And what is Hydrick really fucking good 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:10.200 at taken control of meetings like this and getting everyone 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:13.200 on board with his ideas. He's a big meeting guy. Yeah, 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:17.280 So Hydric uses the opportunity to make the case again 1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:19.160 that yeah, of course street violence is bad. It's bad 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:20.960 for the economy and makes people not like us. It 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:23.880 makes us pariah's. We need to attack Jews through the 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:27.600 law in an orderly manner. So he suggests an expansion 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:29.600 of the restrictions that have been put in place at 1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:32.240 the Nuremberg Laws. For one thing, Jewish people should be 1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:35.240 restricted from using buses, from going to hospitals, from going 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:38.639 to theaters, from visiting public parks and other public places. 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:43.040 He also suggested forcing Jewish citizens to wear a yellow star. 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:48.040 Now during this when he suggests this, even Hitler is like, well, 1:11:48.080 --> 1:11:51.599 that's a bit far Yeah, that's that much. Ran Hard 1:11:51.760 --> 1:11:56.960 calmed down. You're going to you're going to Ryan Hord 1:11:57.000 --> 1:11:59.240 in the paint right now, going to need you to 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:04.800 chill act be Ryan saw like, yeah, this would be 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:07.160 done eventually. But in Reinhard is the guy who kind 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:10.759 of he's the first big dude to suggest this. Um. 1:12:10.800 --> 1:12:13.160 But Reinhard, the thing that he had that he succeeds 1:12:13.160 --> 1:12:15.479 in doing is he kind of very methodically. During this meeting, 1:12:15.479 --> 1:12:20.000 he lays out, um, how during the occupation of Vienna 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:24.280 in his central office that he established had facilitated the 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:28.479 expulsion of at least fifty thousand Jews. So he points out, 1:12:28.520 --> 1:12:30.000 like he walks them through, here's how we got We 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:32.519 got fifty people in a in a matter of weeks 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:36.160 out of out of Austria to leave for other countries. Um. 1:12:36.320 --> 1:12:38.760 No one else has gotten so many Jews to leave 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:42.160 so quickly, and so you know, without so peacefully, without 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:45.720 disruption to the state as I have. Um. And he 1:12:45.760 --> 1:12:49.320 claims that I can, I can set up offices like 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:52.760 this all throughout the Reich. I can generalize this process 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:55.280 and it won't cost us a dime because we'll pay 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:59.559 to expel them with funds confiscated from wealthy Jews. And 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:01.800 he does a good enough job of laying this out 1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:04.200 that by the end of the meeting, everyone agrees to 1:13:04.200 --> 1:13:07.040 put Hydroc in charge of purging the German Reich of Jews, 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:11.040 do racism and balance the budget at the same time. 1:13:11.120 --> 1:13:15.439 Whatever exactly exactly he's able to get, he's able to 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:17.559 marshal everyone behind. He's able to get them on the 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:21.080 same page. You can answer to questions, the Jewish question 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:28.599 and who's gonna pay for it? Questions. Now, by the 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:31.280 end of the meeting, everyone agreed to put Hydroc in 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:34.639 charge of purging the German Reich of Jews. He estimated 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:37.000 this would take ten years. But for the first time 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:41.280 since Hitler took power, the Nazis had a serious, actionable 1:13:41.360 --> 1:13:45.960 game plan to purge Central Europe of its Jews. And 1:13:46.000 --> 1:13:48.799 this brings us back to the question, the core question, 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:52.479 one of the core questions of Holocaust studies was the 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:56.040 Holocaust planned from the beginning or did it evolve over 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:59.280 time out of the circumstances that that you know, presented themselves. 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:01.360 The real any of the situation seems to be that 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:03.960 Adolf Hitler was an idea man, not a logistics man. 1:14:04.000 --> 1:14:05.920 He would give speeches, he would get excited, he would 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:08.080 talk about the Jews being the eternal foe. He would 1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:10.479 talk about needing to purge them. But he didn't come 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:13.639 out with policy on his own to do that. See 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:18.640 Hydrick job exactly. Hydrick and everyone else under Hitler, there 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:20.519 was a policy and this is what they called it 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:24.519 in the Nazi state, working towards the fewer. And what 1:14:24.600 --> 1:14:28.080 that means is that Hitler doesn't come up with plans 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:29.640 and there doesn't say this is how we're gonna do, 1:14:29.680 --> 1:14:32.160 this is what we're gonna do next. Hitler comes up 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:35.680 with ideas, and it's up to Nazis if you want 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:37.360 to impress Hitler, if you want to make a place 1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:40.280 for yourself in the party, to figure out what you 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:43.000 think Hitler wants you to do, and then to do 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:48.680 it right. Because the Nazi government was so competitive, this 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:53.640 process evolved in increasingly extreme directions. Hydrick success came from 1:14:53.680 --> 1:14:55.960 the fact that he was a genius when it came 1:14:56.000 --> 1:14:59.000 to taking the racist rants of his boss and translating 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:04.559 them into action. His job was turning ideology into policy. 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:09.880 That's what Hydrick does. Hitler and the others talk flippantly 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:12.400 about getting rid of the Jews. There's a lot of 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:15.679 talk in the yellow Nazi press about exterminating the Jews. 1:15:16.320 --> 1:15:20.519 Hydrick figures out how to make that ship happen. He's 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:25.680 the Steve, wasn't Hitler Steve. He's an architect. Hitler describes 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.639 his dream house. Ryan Hard figures out where the load 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:31.439 bearing walls need to go. You know, that's the guy 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:37.000 he is. When Germany next annexed Czechoslovakia, Reinhard organized special 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:40.080 task groups of the s S and the German word 1:15:40.120 --> 1:15:44.360 for special task group is ininseets grouping. Their job was 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:48.240 to arrest politically dangerous and undesirable people, and they arrested 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:50.559 between ten and twenty people in a matter of days. 1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:53.400 Many were sent to Dachau or other concentration camps. I 1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:56.360 think about seven thousand in this period. Now, when Germany 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:58.439 invaded Poland, which is what comes next, and I know 1:15:58.520 --> 1:16:01.160 we are YadA, YadA, ng at that's going on at 1:16:01.160 --> 1:16:03.760 the time, because he's he's got his hand and all 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:07.479 of it. When Germany invades Poland, Hydric expands the ranks 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:10.080 of the Einsetz Group and they eventually just initially just 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:12.360 been like a like eight hundred dudes. I think, you know, 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:15.920 during the annexation of Czechoslovakia, there was a lot more 1:16:16.000 --> 1:16:19.200 They're like, they're like military units right during the invasion 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:23.000 of Poland, and their task is much more ambitious. Hitler 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:26.559 didn't just one undesirable and political enemies rounded up. Hitler 1:16:26.640 --> 1:16:29.559 hated the idea that Poland would be a nation. The 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:33.360 concept of Poland as a country was repellent to Hitler 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:36.280 in the Nazis, and he had just inked a secret 1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:39.600 deal with Stalin to split Poland up after the invasion, 1:16:39.960 --> 1:16:43.320 and he needed to kill any conception of Polish identity 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:45.240 and the Poland that he was going to conquer. He 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:49.120 needed to destroy any any sense that Polish culture existed. Right, 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:53.320 So before the invasion, Hitler tells Hydrick that his job 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:57.920 is to organize his Innsets group and to exterminate entire 1:16:58.080 --> 1:17:01.760 classes of Polish societies, specifically the classes that were, in 1:17:01.880 --> 1:17:06.960 Hitler's words, quote carriers of Polish nationalism. And he means 1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:10.000 carriers isn't like carriers of a virus. Carriers is of 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:13.680 a disease. That's very much how Hitler frames this, and 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:15.360 that's very much how he talks about the Jews to 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:19.479 they're a plague. Bacillus is the literal term he uses. Yeah, 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:22.599 I mean, you know that's he's uh, he's just trying 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:26.720 to he's trying to get rid of any other ideological 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:34.280 virus and German nationalism. Now, before the invasion, Hitler's men 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:36.880 created a mass or Hydrick's men, I should say, created 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:40.759 a massive index card library of sixty one thousand people 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:43.360 who they would have to arrest and in most cases 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:48.599 execute immediately upon taking over Poland from Hitler's Hangman quote. 1:17:49.120 --> 1:17:51.679 In mid August, at a conference in Berlin, leading members 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:54.559 of the Einsets Group and received further oral instructions from 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:57.680 Hydric and Best, instructions which even by Hydric standards were 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:02.320 quote extraordinarily radical, and which included a quote liquidation order 1:18:02.360 --> 1:18:06.839 for various circles of the Polish leadership, affecting thousands. According 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:09.719 to post war trial testimonies of leading Task Force officers 1:18:09.760 --> 1:18:12.720 present that day, Hydroc opened the meeting by conforming the 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:15.400 men of the atrocities being committed against ethnic Germans in 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:18.720 Poland's noting that he expected heavy partisan resistance against the 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:21.920 German invasion. It was the responsibility of the Einsetz group 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:25.840 and to neutralize these threats, particularly those posed by saboteurs, 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:29.320 partisans Jews in the Polish intelligencia, an area is conquered 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:31.439 by the German army and to punish individuals who had 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:34.640 committed crimes against Poland's ethnic Germans in the preceding weeks. 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:38.280 Although carefully guarded in his language, Hydroc consisted that in 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:44.559 carrying out their difficult tasks, quote everything was allowed free 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:49.960 for all. Is goddamn Nazias murder, free for all. This 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:53.040 is when the real Nazi ship starts. This is when 1:18:53.040 --> 1:18:56.800 the Nazis truly distinguished themselves as worse than the other 1:18:57.080 --> 1:19:00.240 hell regimes that existed in this period. This is the 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:04.320 start of the not just being a dictatorship, not just 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:07.240 being you know, fascist or whatever. This is the start 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:10.800 of them being the fucking Nazis. We could do a 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:13.160 whole series of episodes on German war crimes during the 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:16.280 invasion of Poland, um to focus just on one group 1:19:16.320 --> 1:19:19.559 of Hydrick's men. A single Ironsets group, a unit near 1:19:19.600 --> 1:19:22.639 the demarcation line for Soviet Poland, was tasked by Hydrick 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:25.360 with inducing Jews to flee into Russian territory. Right, we 1:19:25.360 --> 1:19:26.760 want them to go into what the Russians are going 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:28.680 to control so we don't have to deal with them. 1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:31.080 They did this by going on a mass killing spree 1:19:31.320 --> 1:19:34.080 which included burning down a synagogue filled with Jewish women 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:37.520 and children and massacring roughly five hundred people in mass shootings, 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:41.160 and one week in September, members of Ironsetz group of 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:47.400 four killed roughly dred Polish civilians. Now, while Hydrick's men 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:50.759 massacred thousands, he followed behind them and ensured the job 1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:54.360 was done properly. He remained concerned about destruction of valuable 1:19:54.360 --> 1:19:58.640 property and repeatedly investigated and punished s means suspected of 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:01.559 stealing from Jewish own shops while they were burning down 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:04.560 synagogues filled with people. Yeah, you wouldn't want them to 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:08.160 commit any crimes because you don't want the property crimes. 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:12.639 That's the problem is property, with the right wingers loving 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:17.080 fucking property more than people. Is it you burnt down? 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:24.400 All of the targets was the economy? M So a 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:28.400 truly accurate catalog of just hydricks crimes up to this 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:31.080 point would go far beyond the time we have to 1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:34.960 discuss him. Books have been written about just the conquest 1:20:34.960 --> 1:20:37.599 of Poland and the crimes in its wake. Right, more 1:20:37.640 --> 1:20:39.760 books will be written in the future. I'm afraid we're 1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:41.760 going to have to YadA YadA a lot of other 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:44.840 crimes against humanity. Just to move along here now, I'm 1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:47.400 sure you all know the broad basics of the war. 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:50.200 From this point on. The Nazis conquered Poland, they conquered 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:52.839 the Netherlands, France, they conquer a bunch of places in Europe. 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:55.280 They bombed the ship out of Britain. Things are going 1:20:55.479 --> 1:20:59.639 great for the Nazis. Hydrick continued to direct his forces 1:20:59.640 --> 1:21:02.559 to end up Jewish property as well as political enemies. 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:05.439 And his job is in all of these places, arrest 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:09.680 political enemies, take Jewish property, catalog all the Jews and 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:12.960 the territory. They're not yet putting them in camps. They're 1:21:13.000 --> 1:21:16.040 not yet. The death camps don't exist yet, um, but 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:19.799 they're there. They're they're laying the ground for that. Although 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:23.080 that said, even in nineteen forty, it was not a 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:25.160 foregone conclusion that there would be death camps. Because in 1:21:25.240 --> 1:21:28.760 nineteen forty Hydric becomes the head of what is called 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:32.160 the Madagascar Plan, which is an ultimately abandoned attempt to 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:35.080 take the now millions of Jews and conquered territories and 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:38.680 relocate them off the coast of Africa. This had existed 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:41.960 prior to the Nazis. Racists had been talking about pushing 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:44.639 forcing all the Jews in the Madagascar for a while. 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:49.000 And Hydric again, I think there's people who will argue like, oh, 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:51.120 he always wanted to do the death camps. The Madagascar 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:54.439 plan was just sort of like am for show. He 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:57.000 puts a lot of effort into trying to plan this out. 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:00.719 He spends a lot of time thinking how this will work, 1:22:00.720 --> 1:22:02.880 trying to organize it. I don't think I think this 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.720 was something they thought they might be able to do 1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:07.439 for a certain point. And it's important to understand, like 1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:15.479 this is a process of gen getting yourself ready for genocide, right, 1:22:15.680 --> 1:22:18.679 even the genocide committers have to amp themselves up. It's 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:23.640 it's it's a series of steps. It's zero to genocide, right, 1:22:23.840 --> 1:22:26.840 That never happens. There's always a ramping up period. Yeah, 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:29.680 And it's like with these guys especially, it's like the 1:22:29.760 --> 1:22:33.120 ethnic cleansing was going too slowly for them, and they 1:22:33.120 --> 1:22:36.280 were just ramping up and ramping up all to this 1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:42.280 end conclusion. Yes. Um. Now, during the same time, Hydrock 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.280 trains as a fighter pilot. He wants to get in 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:46.240 his combat time, right. He missed a chance to fight 1:22:46.240 --> 1:22:48.960 in World War One. Um, So he becomes a fighter pilot. 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:51.439 He flies like twenty combat missions. He's a gunner. Actually, 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:53.240 he's not really a pilot. He doesn't like work as 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:55.479 a pilot. He's a gunner. Um. And he flies some 1:22:55.600 --> 1:22:58.120 missions that are non combat over England with like a 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:02.080 spy plane. Um. And this is a matter of vanity again. 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:04.519 He wants to he wants to have done his time 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:07.000 as a soldier for the Reich so that he can 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:09.720 stand up proud. And his time as a pilot kind 1:23:09.720 --> 1:23:11.240 of comes to an end because his plane has a 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.519 landing accident and he hurts his wrist and he gets 1:23:13.520 --> 1:23:18.040 an iron cross and then goes back to his desk job. Um. Now. 1:23:18.080 --> 1:23:20.920 On the domestic front, hydris marriage to his wife is 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:24.400 consistently rocky from the late thirties forward, mainly due to 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:27.600 the fact that he cheated on her fucking constantly. It 1:23:27.760 --> 1:23:30.400 was such a workaholic that she was basically abandoned with 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:33.000 her children. After the war, Lena would admit that there 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:35.439 were quote always other women in my marriage, and that 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:39.400 Reinhard would go after anything in a skirt. Now, at 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:42.280 one point one of his subordinates, a guy named Shellenberg, 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:46.320 started having an affair with Lena, with Reinhardt's wife. Now, 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:48.559 she denies that. She claims they never fucked, that she 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:50.439 was just kind of playing around with this guy to 1:23:50.520 --> 1:23:52.800 make her has been jealous because he was cheating on 1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:58.960 her with Furio. There's a lay exactly some soprano ship 1:23:59.400 --> 1:24:03.400 a bay over this. There's one possibly true story that 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:06.240 they were fucking each other. And Hydrock found out about this, 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:09.120 and so he takes Shellenberg out drinking and in the 1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:11.840 middle of this like night drinking and talking. In mid conversation, 1:24:11.960 --> 1:24:14.479 Hydric's like, I just poisoned you, by the way, and 1:24:14.520 --> 1:24:16.559 I'll give you the antidote if you'll tell me what 1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:20.400 you've been doing with my wife. Um. And according to 1:24:20.439 --> 1:24:23.360 this story, Shellenberg admits that he's been sucking around. He 1:24:23.400 --> 1:24:27.400 promises to end the relationship, and Hydric gives him the antidote. Umh, 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:30.120 we actually did poison him. That wasn't just maybe, I mean, 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:32.760 we can't. I I don't know, you know, I think 1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:35.960 Shellenberg tells this story. Also, Shellenberg survives the war and 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:40.240 has sevested interest in making hydroc seem even first because 1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:42.439 he's trying because it makes him seem less bad by comparison, 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:45.000 you know. And also it's very embarrassing if he was 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:47.240 like I was just I was kidding. Of course, I 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:50.479 don't have any fucking poison and an antidote, right, Yeah, 1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:52.360 and then that would have been a fake antidote to 1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:54.599 who knows. It would make him feel very stupid if 1:24:54.600 --> 1:25:00.479 he fell for that. Yeah. So on June tw Nazis 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:04.080 commenced their invasion of the uss Are. This is Operation Barbarossa, 1:25:04.200 --> 1:25:06.840 the largest war thing that has ever happened in the 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:11.800 history of the human race. Um. Just impossible to overstate, 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:14.479 Like every war the US has ever fought would fit 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:18.360 into the Eastern Front battle between Germany and Russia, with 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:21.639 a lot of space left over for dead people. Um. 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:25.280 Now within this territory. Uh. And again the initial that 1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:29.200 the Nazis are wildly successful. They conquer more territory faster 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:33.360 than anyone ever has, and they take hundreds of thousands 1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:37.000 of military prisoners, and they bring in millions of new 1:25:37.040 --> 1:25:40.600 citizens into their their greater German Reich or whatever, I 1:25:40.600 --> 1:25:42.439 don't know, citizens is not the right thing to call them. 1:25:42.439 --> 1:25:45.160 There's but in addition to all these people, they get 1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:47.439 millions of new Jewish residents, to add to the several 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:51.160 million already brought in by Germany's other conquests. Now, even 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:55.000 hydricks well oiled immigration machine could not handle this many people. 1:25:55.040 --> 1:25:57.400 And also, because they're conquering everything, where else are the 1:25:57.479 --> 1:26:02.280 Jews gonna go? You know? Um? So this was you 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.040 know again, no one else is willing to absorb them, 1:26:04.080 --> 1:26:07.599 the Nazis ki conquering stuff that they have this real problem, um, 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:09.960 And this problem becomes and this is where we get 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.320 to the kind of complicity of the German leadership. Because 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:15.000 again a lot of people will say, there's nothing that 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:19.360 directly connects Hitler to giving the orders for the Holocaust. 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:24.759 Right now, that said, you can see where the orders 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:29.599 came from. Because Hitler and Guring have a conversation right 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:34.799 around the time the Germans invade Russia about the Jewish question, 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:38.840 about all these Jews they're capturing, And in July thirty one, 1:26:38.960 --> 1:26:42.200 Herman Gerring writes a note to Reinhard Heydrich and orders 1:26:42.280 --> 1:26:45.120 him to quote submit to me as soon as possible 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:48.519 a general plan of the administrative, material and financial measures 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:51.320 necessary for carrying out the desired final solution of the 1:26:51.400 --> 1:26:55.160 Jewish question. And Hitler absolutely ordered him to do this. 1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:57.760 That's like or it came about as a result of 1:26:57.760 --> 1:27:01.200 the conversation. Hitler definitely wanted the genocide to happen at 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:04.439 this point. Um. The thing on paper we have is 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:10.960 you have Gearing tells Hydric to start figuring this ship out. Yes, 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:16.120 and Hydric his you know this is again they still 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:18.840 don't jump right to death camps Um, because there's again 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:21.519 a process of figuring out how this is gonna look. Now, 1:27:21.560 --> 1:27:25.160 the process of genocide, now that they're committed to genocide, 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:28.840 starts with simple extensions of what Hydric had already done before. 1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:33.320 The Einsts group had been enlarged significantly for the invasion 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:35.040 of Russia, and in the wake of the inasial and 1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:39.600 initial invasion, they're killing political enemies, they're killing commissars Um, 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:42.479 but they're also they start massacring Jews, and in fact 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:45.320 they start carrying out mass shootings on a scale never 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:48.439 equaled before or since in human history. These are the 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:53.080 biggest mass shootings of civilians probably that there will ever 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:57.800 be we we fucking hope. The first of these shootings 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:01.120 is the Bobby Yard massacre, in which thirty three thousand, 1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:04.160 seven hundred and seventy one Jewish civilians were shot to 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:07.799 death and ravine outside of Kiev in two days. Bobby 1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:10.960 Are was followed by the Odessa massacre later the same year, 1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:13.600 in which more than fifty thousand Jews were shot to 1:28:13.640 --> 1:28:18.439 death and again roughly two days. There were hundreds of 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:21.360 other smaller massacres, from a couple of dozen people to 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:24.559 a thousands of people, and a lot of the killing 1:28:24.640 --> 1:28:26.960 is also it's not just shooting. Shooting is probably the 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.280 biggest death toll here, but they are also killing people 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:32.920 with mobile gas fans, which they had developed initially to 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:36.320 execute the mentally handicapped. Now at least one and a 1:28:36.360 --> 1:28:39.559 half million people and perhaps as many as two million 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:43.960 Holocaust victims were killed this way, just being gunned down 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:48.679 or gassed in small vans um by numbers of people. Now, 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:53.000 this is still too slow for the number of Jews 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:56.479 that there and other undesirables that the Nazis are acquiring 1:28:56.520 --> 1:29:01.240 in their conquests, and worse than being slow, it's bad 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:05.360 for the men doing it. The Germans have limited manpower, 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:10.160 they have limited ammunition, um and they find that. You know, 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:13.439 Hydra had called his as ideological shock troops, right, he'd 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:15.080 made a big deal about how hard we have to be, 1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:17.800 how willing to do terrible things we have to be 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:22.640 in order to save the Reich. But these guys, the 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:27.120 hardest and worst of the Nazis, couldn't handle the mental 1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:30.400 strain of what they were doing. They're traumatic for them, 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:33.880 which is they are. There are stories of them skeet 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:39.240 shooting babies by the dozen, and it it destroys these people. 1:29:39.360 --> 1:29:43.240 The suicide is rampant alcoholism becomes endemic to the einsets 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:46.040 group of men. It creates a problem with morale, a 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.360 problem with orderliness, and it's a problem for the r mocked. 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:51.400 The guys not doing the killing are aware of it, 1:29:51.520 --> 1:29:54.920 and they have there are we the baddies moments in 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:59.559 a lot of cases like oh boy, you know what, 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:05.479 this doesn't seem good. I've always like imagined killing babies 1:30:05.640 --> 1:30:08.719 is being a bad guy thing. Yeah, but it sounds 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:13.920 like not a defensive maneuver. Yeah, I mean, I guess 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:18.080 I get it. Excuse me, all, but Stumban fura, what 1:30:18.320 --> 1:30:21.439 is the self defense motive for shooting babies with a 1:30:21.479 --> 1:30:24.720 shotgun after throwing them in the air, And you at 1:30:24.800 --> 1:30:27.519 least lie to me and says the baby is actually 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:30.639 a time bomb robot. It would make me feel better. 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:34.320 And again, these guys feel bad. It breaks a lot 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:37.000 of them. It's bad from a raw Almost none of 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:41.200 them stopped being Nazis. Yeah, they all keep fighting for 1:30:41.240 --> 1:30:43.360 the Reich, even though they're aware of it. There's a 1:30:43.360 --> 1:30:45.960 big myth of the clean r marckt of the fact 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:49.200 that most Nazi soldiers, you know, they fought well and 1:30:49.560 --> 1:30:52.360 they didn't really know what was going on. They fucking did. 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:56.320 Every one of them at least new enough to the 1:30:56.400 --> 1:31:02.000 numbers alone indicate that, like just a huge portion of 1:31:02.040 --> 1:31:06.280 them had to have been involved directly in these atrocities. Yes, um, 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:09.160 And like, yes, obviously a lot of the Vermacht was 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:13.000 involved directly in atrocities, more than any other individual military 1:31:13.040 --> 1:31:14.960 on a per capita basis in the war, other than 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:18.759 maybe the Japanese UM. But also they were all aware, 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:23.280 broadly speaking of what was being done in their name, um. 1:31:23.320 --> 1:31:24.680 And there were some of them who spoke out. There 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:27.320 were some of them whom who went a wall you know. Um, 1:31:27.360 --> 1:31:32.120 and good good on those very few dudes. Yeah, thank you, 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:34.760 all three of you. Yeah, not a lot of them, 1:31:34.840 --> 1:31:38.360 but some of them did. And and yeah I'll tip 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:41.000 my hat to those fellows because of how few fucking 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:46.839 did it. Now. Yeah, Um, so again this becomes a problem. 1:31:46.880 --> 1:31:50.080 It's bad for the s s. They need a better 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:54.240 solution to the final solution. And on January nineteen forty two, 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:58.839 Ryanhard Hydrick convenes a third meeting of top Nazi officials 1:31:58.840 --> 1:32:02.200 from across the Reich. This meeting was held at a mansion, 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:05.000 a mansion that had been confiscated by a Jewish businessman 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:09.360 in a suburb of Berlin called von Say. Um, you 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:12.320 can go to the Vance House today. I've I've been there. Um, 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:14.240 you can see if there's a very good museum there. 1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:16.800 The actual houses used in the movie we discussed at 1:32:16.800 --> 1:32:19.799 the start of this conspiracy, which is basically based directly 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:22.080 on the minutes of the meeting. They have to plan 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:25.280 the final solution. Um. I'm going to quote from a 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:28.840 summary of that meeting in history dot com. Quote. The 1:32:28.840 --> 1:32:31.360 agenda was simple and focused to devise a plan that 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:34.519 would render a final solution to the Jewish question in Europe, 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:40.520 Various gruesome proposals were discussed, including mass sterilization and deportation 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:44.360 to the island of Madagascar. Hydrick proposed simply transporting Jews 1:32:44.400 --> 1:32:47.080 from every corner of Europe to concentration camps in Poland 1:32:47.080 --> 1:32:49.920 and working them to death. Objections to this plan included 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:52.360 the belief that this was simply too time consuming. What 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:54.720 about the strong ones who took longer to die, What 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:56.919 about the millions of Jews who were already in Poland. 1:32:57.040 --> 1:32:59.799 Although the word extermination was never uttered during the meeting, 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:03.360 the implication was clear. Anyone who survived the egregious conditions 1:33:03.360 --> 1:33:06.559 of a work camp would be treated accordingly. Months later, 1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:09.720 the gas vans in Helmo, Poland, which were killing a 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:12.320 thousand people a day, proved to be the solution. They 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:15.240 were looking for the most efficient means of killing large 1:33:15.240 --> 1:33:18.439 groups of people at a time, and the rest is 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:22.439 unfortunately history. The Vans conference led directly to the creation 1:33:22.520 --> 1:33:25.760 of death camps, which exterminated some four million Jews and 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:30.479 five million other undesirables. These were, and still are today, 1:33:30.840 --> 1:33:35.160 the fastest and most cost effective method of genocide ever developed. 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:39.720 Reinhard Hydric gets rightful credit as architect of the Holocaust, 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.280 but the vast majority of people killed in the death 1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:45.680 camps died after he died. He would not live to 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:49.040 see what he brought into being. And I'm gonna quote 1:33:49.040 --> 1:33:51.280 from a write up by the United States Holocaust Museum 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:54.439 here to explain why Hydric gets taken out of the picture. 1:33:56.000 --> 1:33:58.439 After the invasion of the Soviet Union spurred a previously 1:33:58.479 --> 1:34:02.600 dormant communist resistance move meant in Bohemia and Moravia Czechoslovakia 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:06.920 into acts of sabotage, Hitler dismissed reich Protector Constantine von 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:11.000 Neuroth and An appointed Hydric acting Reich Protector in September 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:14.120 nineteen forty one. Hydric first ordered a narrow wave of 1:34:14.200 --> 1:34:16.960 terror targeting real and perceived leaders of the opposition in 1:34:17.000 --> 1:34:20.400 Czech Lands. In October and November nineteen forty one, Protector 1:34:20.400 --> 1:34:23.040 at Special Courts sinence three hundred and forty two people 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:25.479 to death and turned twelve hundred and eighty nine over 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:28.960 to the Gestapo. Hydric also established the Teresan Stack Camp 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:32.040 ghetto in November. Under his rule, fourteen thousand Germans and 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:34.400 Austrian Jews and more than twenty thousand check Jews were 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:37.040 deported from Theresan stat to the Lord's Ghetto, to the 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:40.440 Government General in Poland into the Reich Commissary at Austland, 1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:44.200 which is where they were exterminated. Hydric Is, acting Reich Protector, 1:34:44.280 --> 1:34:47.759 then corded Czech industrial workers and farmers whose productive capacity 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:50.240 was necessary to the German war effort, with wages and 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:53.519 benefits packages equivalent to those of their German counterparts. The 1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:56.280 result of his policies was a seventy three percent reduction 1:34:56.320 --> 1:34:59.000 and acts of sabotage within six months. By spring of 1:34:59.040 --> 1:35:02.120 nineteen forty two, German authorities could boost of a pacification 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:05.160 of the Protectorate. Some have speculated that Hydric aim next 1:35:05.200 --> 1:35:08.160 to assume a newly created top civilian position and occupied 1:35:08.240 --> 1:35:12.000 northern France and Belgium, but he never got the chance 1:35:12.040 --> 1:35:14.759 to do this. The Allies were well aware of Reinhard 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:19.120 hydrick Um and they needed a win, right two not 1:35:19.280 --> 1:35:22.559 a great time for the Allies. There's some early signs 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:25.240 that the Nazi ship is going to turn around for them, 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:30.360 but they're not winning at that point um now. The 1:35:30.760 --> 1:35:33.000 so the British train and equip a two man cheam 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:35.160 of team of Check soldiers because Check has a government 1:35:35.200 --> 1:35:37.640 Czecho Slovakia has a government in exile, right, they have 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:40.800 soldiers who flee the company in the country, and the 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:43.519 British government trains two of these guys up and air 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:47.240 drops them into Hydrick's territory. They ambush him during his 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:50.960 daily commute home from work, but one man's machine gun jams, right, 1:35:51.160 --> 1:35:53.559 so they try to shoot him. Their gun jams Hydrick, 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:57.599 who's driving in an open topped vehicle very stupidly Um 1:35:57.880 --> 1:36:00.599 sees that their gun has jammed, and again, think about 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:03.439 everything about this guy. He's desperate to prove himself as 1:36:03.479 --> 1:36:07.280 a warrior, right, so his driver wants to drive the 1:36:07.280 --> 1:36:09.519 funk away right, get out of there, get his boss 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:13.120 to safety. Hidrick has his driver stop. He pulls out 1:36:13.120 --> 1:36:17.000 his handgun and he attempts to attack both assassins. One 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:19.400 of them throws a grenade as he's trying to do 1:36:19.479 --> 1:36:23.920 his hero ship and it fucks reinhard right up. He 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:28.439 gets horribly wounded. He's a vacuated hospital. Um. His wound 1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:33.360 turns septic and he spent seven days in in the hospital, 1:36:33.840 --> 1:36:39.320 slowly ding like really the only of the really bad 1:36:39.400 --> 1:36:45.200 Nazis who gets exactly the death he deserves, his body rotting, 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:51.639 they pull his spleen out of him, like yeah, all 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:54.479 death because he was a fucking idiot, and like, oh, 1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:57.400 I'm gonna fucking shoot these guys when keeping it real 1:36:57.600 --> 1:37:03.439 goes wrong. Yeah. It's believed, although not certain, that the 1:37:03.520 --> 1:37:06.400 reason his wounds got infected and he died was because 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:09.559 the upholstery in his his car was made out of horsehair, 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:11.519 and the horse hair gets forced to do his wound 1:37:11.520 --> 1:37:13.839 by a grenade blast and it gets him. It causes 1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:18.920 a deadly infection. Very funny. Yeah, it was either that 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:22.240 or he spend too much time around the you know 1:37:22.439 --> 1:37:24.360 the Germans who are going to the horhouse who like 1:37:24.439 --> 1:37:29.080 to eat the doodoo v D and his gut wound exactly, dude, 1:37:29.160 --> 1:37:33.480 you know it's one of the other I love it. Publicly, 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:35.760 the whole Reich mourns, and actually his funeral is one 1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:38.160 of the last really mass public events that the whole 1:37:38.240 --> 1:37:40.640 Nazi leadership attends because right the war doesn't go so 1:37:40.680 --> 1:37:43.240 well for them after this point, he's mourned as a 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:46.639 hero of Germany. Privately, though Hitler thought him a fool 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:49.080 for throwing away his life for a chance to look heroic, 1:37:49.160 --> 1:37:52.839 saying such heroic gestures as driving in an open unarmored 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:55.519 vehicle or walking about the streets unguarded are just damn 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:59.519 stupidity which serves the country. Not one wit you shouldn't 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:02.759 have done. See me, I'm going to just shoot myself 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:04.640 in the head as soon as we're surrounded by the 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:10.160 Red Army. Yeah, solid, solid shade Hitler, cradical support to Hitler, 1:38:10.280 --> 1:38:16.920 for Queen Hitler. Why why can't he be smart and 1:38:17.000 --> 1:38:21.040 die cowardly like I like me after I shoot my 1:38:21.120 --> 1:38:27.719 dog and poison my wife, or die heroically like Joseph, 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:31.280 like Joseph Gerbel's grenading his children to death like a 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:34.080 hero of the Reich. Why did he do it with 1:38:34.200 --> 1:38:36.759 the grenade? I don't know. It was all he had. 1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:39.360 It was just like you kill your children now, Yes, 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:43.000 when you have so many children, a grenade is just efficient. 1:38:44.400 --> 1:38:47.120 I think they actually poison them. Whatever fuck it I needed? Well, 1:38:47.560 --> 1:38:53.280 we watched Downfall, the documentary, So yeah, both assassins are 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:56.320 caught and executed, and the Nazis carry out a horrific 1:38:56.479 --> 1:39:00.160 series of reprisal prop populations. Actually, the check underground in 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:04.200 this period and argued strenuously against assassinating Hydric because they 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:06.040 knew it would lead to them being wiped out. And 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:08.680 they are. They're just annihilated as a result of this, 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:10.800 as are a lot of people not even involved in 1:39:10.800 --> 1:39:14.160 the underground. The village of Lettuce, which was falsely implicated 1:39:14.160 --> 1:39:17.160 in sheltering the assassins, paid the brunt of the price. 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:20.120 All one d ninety nine men in the village are executed, 1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:24.719 women are sent to a concentration camp. Eighty one children 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:27.240 are gassed to death, and the remainder are sent out 1:39:27.280 --> 1:39:30.360 to other families. We don't really know. The surviving women 1:39:30.400 --> 1:39:32.400 of Lettuce go back to the destroyed side of the 1:39:32.479 --> 1:39:34.360 village and it's been the rest of their lives waiting 1:39:34.360 --> 1:39:37.800 for their children to come home. And I never do. Um. Oh, 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:42.439 it's it's fucking heartbreaking. Um. The check village of Lezaki 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:45.720 was also destroyed because the radio transmitter belonging to Partisans 1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:49.040 was found there. Across the territory, more than thirteen thousand 1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:52.280 people are arrested and roughly five thousand people are murdered 1:39:52.280 --> 1:39:57.519 in reprisals for Reinhard's assassination. Um. And that's more or 1:39:57.600 --> 1:39:59.840 less the end of the story of Reinhard hydric A 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:04.759 be a piece of ship. Oh man, So I gotta say, 1:40:04.720 --> 1:40:09.480 you're right. He is a bastard. He really sucks. He's 1:40:09.120 --> 1:40:14.080 so bad. He is not a good guy, not chill. 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:17.320 In fact, he is sketch. And I do not appreciate it. 1:40:17.640 --> 1:40:19.960 If you're making a short list of like guys for 1:40:20.000 --> 1:40:22.759 the that you're nominating for the title of like worst 1:40:22.840 --> 1:40:26.200 person in history, he's got to be in the running. 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:32.479 Yeah he's Yeah, he's not top five, he's definitely top ten. 1:40:32.920 --> 1:40:35.720 Like he's up there with Hitler, because again, without a 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:38.439 guy like Reinhard, I don't know that Hitler is at 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:40.599 least able to carry out the Holocaust in the same way, 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:44.920 because you need the implementation man. Yeah, yeah, you need 1:40:45.040 --> 1:40:48.000 the guy who's able to engineer the whole thing. You know, 1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:51.320 you gotta get someone to execute it. And there's the 1:40:51.400 --> 1:40:55.599 peanut butter. Heydrick is the jelly exactly. The other lying 1:40:55.760 --> 1:40:58.320 centuries of anti Semitism are the white bread, and he 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:02.160 needs all of it to make your Holocaust peb and j. Yeah, 1:41:02.600 --> 1:41:06.759 this is why I'm allergic to peanut butter. Yes, because 1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:10.320 I'm Jewish. All Jews a peanut butter right, yes, yes, 1:41:10.400 --> 1:41:12.760 the most anti Semitic sandwich is of course the P 1:41:13.080 --> 1:41:16.320 and J. We've all been saying that for years. Oh man, 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:19.640 that is uh, yeah, he's he's a bad dude, and 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:23.200 uh and I don't like him. And I think that's 1:41:23.280 --> 1:41:25.800 the point of this podcast is to find more people 1:41:25.880 --> 1:41:29.519 who I'm like. I don't like him, you know, because 1:41:29.560 --> 1:41:32.040 I like most people, but not that guy. That guy, 1:41:34.920 --> 1:41:38.519 I'm just glad that Hardy. It's rad that he died 1:41:38.560 --> 1:41:43.400 in horrible pain, seventy days sepsis. He's he's literally the 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:48.240 one Nazi who gets what he deserves. Terrific lingering death 1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:50.200 caused that. And then and he's you know, he's thinking 1:41:50.240 --> 1:41:52.519 the whole time. Shit, if I just drove it, driven away, 1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:55.519 i'd have I'd have avoided all of this agony. Yeah, yeah, 1:41:55.640 --> 1:41:58.240 I'm glad he got to think about his death as 1:41:58.360 --> 1:42:02.360 he really did. Like, fuck you reinhard Hydric, you piece 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:05.360 of fucking trash. I'm glad your death was horrible. It 1:42:05.560 --> 1:42:09.479 is okay to luxuriate in the nightmarish agony of the 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:13.080 architect of the fucking Holocaust. There should be a seven 1:42:13.200 --> 1:42:16.320 day celebration all over the world. We should celebrate the 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:18.720 day he got shot by this check part of a 1:42:19.360 --> 1:42:22.160 Ryan Hard Hydrick started dying today, we should have seven 1:42:22.280 --> 1:42:26.640 days of gifts and dances. We think painful sepsis is 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:32.600 everyone fucking just like marking in the streets. He is 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:38.800 the closest to the pure embodiment of human evil. I 1:42:38.920 --> 1:42:42.439 think it's it's like he's he's like Leopold of Belgium. 1:42:42.720 --> 1:42:46.560 He's that kind of monster which are the worst to me. 1:42:46.720 --> 1:42:48.200 I think in a lot of ways, he's worse than 1:42:48.240 --> 1:42:52.720 a guy like Hitler. Um because again Hitler, if there 1:42:52.760 --> 1:42:54.720 had been resistance to Hitler, if there had been a 1:42:54.840 --> 1:42:57.360 solid block of conservatives who are like, we're gonna have 1:42:57.400 --> 1:42:58.880 Hitler be empowered, but we're not going to let him 1:42:58.880 --> 1:43:00.439 do this in this and we're gonna organ as the military, 1:43:00.439 --> 1:43:01.640 We're going to make sure which was a thing that 1:43:01.760 --> 1:43:03.400 was happening, there was a chance that that would happen. 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:07.400 Hitler could have been a quasi dictator for five or ten, 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:10.320 fifteen years, and then like which happened in other countries, 1:43:10.439 --> 1:43:12.479 right which happened, he could have been like Franco. That 1:43:12.720 --> 1:43:17.960 was not necessarily impossible. If there's the way he was 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:20.559 a pragmatist. He would have preferred that to being forced 1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:24.160 out of power or assassinated. If that had been like that, 1:43:24.520 --> 1:43:27.479 that was not an impossible thing. From the beginning, Ryan 1:43:27.600 --> 1:43:31.840 hard Heydrick is Um, I don't know, he's he He 1:43:32.000 --> 1:43:34.400 might be worse. He might be worse than Big Age, 1:43:34.600 --> 1:43:38.120 you know what, dude, Well, you know, and at the 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:40.320 end of the day, he got what he always wanted, 1:43:40.800 --> 1:43:46.080 which was a really big gold star on his report card. 1:43:46.160 --> 1:43:50.040 You know, he got he got to be bigger than Hitler's. 1:43:50.880 --> 1:43:52.559 I mean, I mean not, you know, in a way 1:43:52.600 --> 1:43:56.519 that most people know you there's no point. Really, it's 1:43:56.520 --> 1:43:58.360 stupid to be like, well, who was a worse person? 1:43:58.439 --> 1:44:00.320 Like they're all like, it doesn't doesn't matter, they're all 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:03.439 a's such a level of human evil. Trying to parse 1:44:03.520 --> 1:44:07.760 out differences between them is is silly. Um. But but 1:44:07.920 --> 1:44:09.360 he is I what I should the way I should 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:10.720 frame is not that like, oh, I think he's worse 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:15.479 than Hitler. He is the Nazi I find most personally offensive. Yeah, 1:44:15.960 --> 1:44:20.439 and frightening. He's the one who's scariest to me, especially 1:44:20.560 --> 1:44:24.599 because like if you now, I haven't seen a picture 1:44:24.640 --> 1:44:28.280 of him yet and so this whole time, I'm just looking, 1:44:28.840 --> 1:44:34.000 I'm picturing yeah, blonde ken brauna, and it's like part 1:44:34.040 --> 1:44:36.960 of what's pissing me off about him mostly is just 1:44:37.160 --> 1:44:43.120 this like this fucking Zack Morris looking motherfucker committing the 1:44:43.320 --> 1:44:50.240 worst atrocities and executing atrocities, going above and beyond beyond 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:54.920 Hitler even to like execute these mass you know, this 1:44:55.080 --> 1:44:59.840 mass genocide, the Holocaust and U and just yeah, just 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:03.439 like I this is why I hate hot people, you know, 1:45:04.120 --> 1:45:06.840 anyone who's attractive. Yeah, I wouldn't call him. He's definitely 1:45:06.880 --> 1:45:09.000 not as good looking as Kenneth Branda, but he is 1:45:09.080 --> 1:45:13.160 the most like Aryan looking of the Nazi leadership for sure. Yeah. 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:17.639 Oh yeah, I'm looking him up right now. You're gonna 1:45:17.640 --> 1:45:19.320 look him up. I was just gonna send you that 1:45:19.400 --> 1:45:22.960 in the chat. Yeah, No, he's he's not. You're right, 1:45:23.040 --> 1:45:25.439 he's not that hot, but he's not hot, but he is. 1:45:25.560 --> 1:45:27.880 He is, Like, he's blonde haired, blue eyed, he's got 1:45:29.439 --> 1:45:32.200 and he's tall, he's in very good shape. He's an athlete. 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:34.960 You know, he's the most Nazi looking motherfucker I think 1:45:34.960 --> 1:45:38.120 I've ever seen. He really is the most Nazi looking 1:45:38.240 --> 1:45:41.879 of the of the of the high up nazis, right, Girbels. 1:45:42.040 --> 1:45:45.559 You look at gering Um, you look at fucking um Hess, 1:45:45.720 --> 1:45:49.080 you look at um Hitler, you look at Himler. Yeah. 1:45:49.920 --> 1:45:51.920 Ryan Hard is the one who looks like they say, 1:45:51.960 --> 1:45:54.320 an arian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's the one. He's the 1:45:54.400 --> 1:45:56.479 one that they all draw when they're trying to be like, 1:45:56.680 --> 1:46:00.960 this is my perfect man. Okay, he's just superman. He's 1:46:01.400 --> 1:46:08.360 very tall, blonde, blue eyes, very sharp cheekbones, he's got 1:46:08.479 --> 1:46:14.400 naked more yeah yeah, yeah, and I'm not so obviously 1:46:14.479 --> 1:46:17.639 like Kenneth Brannah. One of the criticisms. Actually, the first 1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:20.120 time I watched Conspiracy, so I dropped out of college 1:46:20.800 --> 1:46:24.120 obviously because fun that. But the last two years or 1:46:24.120 --> 1:46:26.600 so I was in college most of my classes and 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:28.200 the thing that I was thinking I might get when 1:46:28.240 --> 1:46:30.960 I thought I might get a degree was UTD offered 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:33.720 like a Holocaust studies program, and there's a series of 1:46:33.760 --> 1:46:36.920 classes on Holocaust and remembrance that I took, which is 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:39.520 where I watched Conspiracy. And like one of the criticisms 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:42.160 that people have of that movie, it's a very good 1:46:42.280 --> 1:46:44.240 and I think very accurate depiction of how the Vance 1:46:44.400 --> 1:46:46.880 conference was handled right. It does a very good job 1:46:47.080 --> 1:46:49.439 of laying out the way these people talked, the way 1:46:49.479 --> 1:46:51.320 they actually in the way that you see the way 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:53.080 the thing we talked about repeatedly in this episode, the 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:57.320 way Hydrick orchestrates gets people on board, the way he 1:46:57.439 --> 1:47:00.439 whips support between different agencies to make them do what 1:47:00.520 --> 1:47:02.040 he wants. You see that in the movie. I think 1:47:02.080 --> 1:47:04.200 they do a good job of it. Um, they make 1:47:04.320 --> 1:47:08.040 him hot, which you know, Kenneth Brann is a very 1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:10.479 good actor, and I think he very ably plays at 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:13.880 the evil but also you cast Kenneth Branna, he can't 1:47:13.920 --> 1:47:16.679 not be hot. He's Kenneth Branna. He's he's hot. He's 1:47:16.800 --> 1:47:20.120 fucking hot as hell. Um. But people criticize it because 1:47:20.120 --> 1:47:22.200 they're like, why are you going to make him to 1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:26.519 make him hot? Which I think that's a fair casting though, 1:47:26.680 --> 1:47:31.160 especially given the fact that, like this was one of 1:47:31.280 --> 1:47:34.280 the reasons that he rose up so high. Yeah, well 1:47:34.360 --> 1:47:36.000 it is, it is. I think there's an argument to 1:47:36.040 --> 1:47:39.000 him made that, like, well, Nazis saw him as good 1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:41.600 looking because he looked like a Nazi. Yeah, he was 1:47:41.720 --> 1:47:44.920 like a you know, front facing Nazi guy, someone you 1:47:44.960 --> 1:47:47.160 could like point to and go this is this is 1:47:47.200 --> 1:47:50.320 what we look like. In Hollywood. People are always better looking, 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:52.720 So you've got to have the Nazist looking guy in 1:47:52.800 --> 1:47:56.320 the Hollywood movie be extra and Kenneth Branna looks like 1:47:56.400 --> 1:47:59.080 a fucking Hollywood Nazi. And yeah, I think it was good. 1:47:59.160 --> 1:48:02.679 Casting is my my fame. It's a controversial movie again 1:48:02.800 --> 1:48:07.719 from people who are Holocaust nerds, which is a horrible 1:48:07.760 --> 1:48:11.360 way to describe it. But no, but there are Holocaust 1:48:11.400 --> 1:48:13.560 nerds out there are Holocaust Yeah, and I am on 1:48:13.640 --> 1:48:15.200 the side of I think it's and it's a movie 1:48:15.280 --> 1:48:18.040 I show people when we went to Saxonhausen. Um, it 1:48:18.160 --> 1:48:20.200 was me and a group my my, my partner at 1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:22.760 the time and like some Australian kids that we met 1:48:22.840 --> 1:48:25.400 while just like chilling out and getting wasted in Berlin together. 1:48:25.720 --> 1:48:29.760 We all went together and we watched Conspiracy afterwards. Um 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:35.840 it's a good movie to watch too. Um. Uh, yeah, 1:48:35.960 --> 1:48:38.519 it's it's it's I I recommend it to people again. 1:48:38.680 --> 1:48:41.120 You know, there's some controversies around it. It's very good. 1:48:41.240 --> 1:48:43.760 It's very good, and it's also uh and this is 1:48:44.120 --> 1:48:48.280 not so much a historical note. Uh, it's a great 1:48:49.040 --> 1:48:52.720 example of a movie uh that can be compelling and 1:48:52.880 --> 1:48:56.800 only be in two or three different settings. Like most 1:48:56.840 --> 1:48:59.439 of it takes place in a meeting and a meeting, 1:48:59.520 --> 1:49:01.519 and they ever leave the grounds of this fucking house. 1:49:01.640 --> 1:49:04.439 No they don't. Yeah, there's like a scene in the bathroom, 1:49:04.520 --> 1:49:05.960 there's a scene in the hall, and most of it 1:49:06.080 --> 1:49:08.400 is in this meeting room. And it's very compelling. And 1:49:08.520 --> 1:49:11.960 also it shows the I think the banality of evil 1:49:12.080 --> 1:49:14.720 is like a perfect you know, like that's that's what 1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:18.920 especially Aikman's portrayal by I think that Stanley Tucci, who 1:49:19.080 --> 1:49:21.720 was just like, yes, oh, he's so good in this 1:49:22.760 --> 1:49:25.560 Stanley Tucci, who plays Aikman in that Yeah. Yeah, And 1:49:25.960 --> 1:49:29.639 and he's like, uh, you know, he's basically doing notes, 1:49:29.760 --> 1:49:33.360 he's taking it out, he's taking notes, and the fact 1:49:33.439 --> 1:49:36.840 that he's taking notes enables the slaughter of eleven million people, right, 1:49:36.960 --> 1:49:40.200 Like his notes are a key aspect of the machinery 1:49:40.280 --> 1:49:43.760 of death. Um, which is what the case was, right, 1:49:43.840 --> 1:49:46.920 that's that's that is Aikman, that is who he was. UM. 1:49:47.280 --> 1:49:49.640 And there's this um there's a wonderful scene in the 1:49:49.720 --> 1:49:51.880 movie where they're all quibbly because a lot of people 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:53.519 this was a real problem. Again, we talked about her. 1:49:53.560 --> 1:49:56.519 There's different chunks of the Nazis. They have different arguments. Uh. 1:49:56.960 --> 1:49:59.040 Some of the guys who had written the Nuremberg Laws 1:49:59.080 --> 1:50:02.600 are angry because Hydric is basically throwing out the restrictions 1:50:02.680 --> 1:50:04.439 on the Nuremberg Laws because he doesn't think they go 1:50:04.520 --> 1:50:06.599 far enough. And they're arguing about like this isn't legal, 1:50:06.720 --> 1:50:09.080 you're going outside the downs of the law. And there's 1:50:09.120 --> 1:50:12.120 a moment where Hydrick, I think its asks raise your 1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:14.479 hand if you're a lawyer, and everyone in the room 1:50:14.600 --> 1:50:16.760 raises their hands, which are almost all of these guys 1:50:16.800 --> 1:50:23.120 were fucking lawyers. Yeah, it's yeah, and and you know 1:50:23.360 --> 1:50:26.080 it's like I remember that specifically when we were talking 1:50:26.080 --> 1:50:29.519 about the Nuremberg Laws and like Kenneth Braun as you know, 1:50:30.160 --> 1:50:34.040 changing of them. I'm just gonna call uh Reinhardt Hydrick 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:39.600 Branda boy. Uh No. It's like, you know, kind of 1:50:39.720 --> 1:50:43.479 like just going, hey, let's stop quibbling over how much 1:50:43.560 --> 1:50:45.599 blood if you have any blood, like he went one 1:50:45.720 --> 1:50:48.240 drop rule and that that always stuck out to me 1:50:48.439 --> 1:50:51.760 is like kind of like uh you know that that 1:50:51.920 --> 1:50:54.320 in the end was like, yeah, this is about ethnicity. 1:50:54.439 --> 1:50:57.080 Let's stop pretending this is about religion. Let's stop pretending 1:50:57.160 --> 1:51:01.160 this is about Christ in any fashion, like this is 1:51:01.439 --> 1:51:06.280 about d n A racial makeup and and just it's 1:51:06.320 --> 1:51:13.439 totally fake race pseudo science. Yeah, anyways, you know again 1:51:13.560 --> 1:51:17.759 he pluggables to plug. No time to plug your plug doubles, 1:51:17.840 --> 1:51:21.479 like discussing the machinery that was built in order to 1:51:21.640 --> 1:51:26.559 enable the fastest mass extermination of an ethnic group in history. Yeah, yeah, 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:30.360 you know. I always like to plug my podcasts about 1:51:30.439 --> 1:51:34.040 the Sopranos right after talking about the Holocaust. Think about 1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:37.320 those rooms filled with human hair and empty shoes. And 1:51:37.960 --> 1:51:41.600 check out this podcast. Check out this great podcast in 1:51:41.680 --> 1:51:47.080 which we rewatch Sopranos and talk about it with wonderful guests. Uh. 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:51.000 It's called Pod Yourself a Gun. Uh, and season five 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:54.280 is about to start right now. We're through one through four, 1:51:54.600 --> 1:51:57.639 so check it out wherever you get. 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