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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. Zoom, if you're not aware, has recently

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Speaker 1: Um So, Matt Leeb what's us? Comedian funny guy, podcaster

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Speaker 1: guy who podcasts podcast called Yeah, yeah you do. You

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Speaker 1: This is part two of our podcast series about Ryan

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Speaker 1: Heart Heydrick maybe the worst of the Nazis um which

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Speaker 1: is saying a lot quite a resume line, like in

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Speaker 1: your Hell resume set, like what did you do? I'm

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Speaker 1: the guy Hitler thought was extra I love the Hell

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Speaker 1: entrance interview where you're sitting with the devil and he

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Speaker 1: was like, uh, You've got some pretty impressive, you know,

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Speaker 1: things that you've done in your life. I see here

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Speaker 1: you were vale victorian at Nazi you know, yes, graduated

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Speaker 1: Nazi come loudly and uh fucking you know, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: got the job burning health for eternity. Uh yeah, what

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Speaker 1: an amazing piece of shit. Um So, Matt, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the problems with this episode, Like, right, this

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Speaker 1: do it eventually. We preferred, though, to talk about like

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Speaker 1: the you know, the coups and the genocides that extended

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Speaker 1: from them, so that we weren't leaving out the biggest

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Speaker 1: crimes against humanity that they've committed as part of this

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Speaker 1: all of the epoco crimes against like human nature and

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't read his entire bio. You've gotta

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Speaker 1: of something Reinhard Heydrich did, and if we left out

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Speaker 1: I do apologize. There's too many of them. Yeah, we can't,

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Speaker 1: this guy was. Really tremendous asshole. Um bad dude, bad,

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Speaker 1: especially where we are now, Hydri says, blue lives matter

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Speaker 1: walk around barefoot. Yeah. Now, up to this point, Yanhard's

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Speaker 1: in the New Reich. And so in April of nineteen

427
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Speaker 1: thirty four, Hydric has given control of the Prussian Gestapo

428
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Speaker 1: as well. And we're not gonna the Gestapo doesn't exist

429
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Speaker 1: before the Nazis. The Gestapo is kind of like unifying

430
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Speaker 1: these Nazi intelligence apparatus is with the state political police,

431
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Speaker 1: and that becomes the Gestapo. That's more Gering's bag. But

432
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Speaker 1: Hydric is kind of from the beginning in control of

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Speaker 1: a lot of it, in control of the practical details

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Speaker 1: of what it does at least um. And so he's

435
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Speaker 1: given control of the Prussian Gestapo in ninety four. This

436
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Speaker 1: puts thousands of secret police and multiple states under his hands.

437
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Speaker 1: So now he's basically in charge of repression in Bavaria

438
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Speaker 1: UH and in Prussia UM. It also means that he's

439
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Speaker 1: now officially a big man in the Nazi party and

440
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Speaker 1: this would give him meaningful input during the next critical

441
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Speaker 1: stage stage of Nazi development. Now, if you'll remember, Ernst

442
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Speaker 1: Rome and his brown Shirts had been a major locust

443
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Speaker 1: of Nazi power in the early years. These guys are

444
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Speaker 1: hitler street fighters, his gangsters, and Rome is a military veteran.

445
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Speaker 1: He's a very tough man. He's good at organizing street fighters.

446
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Speaker 1: He's also a revolutionary. Rome isn't satisfied when Hitler takes power.

447
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Speaker 1: For one thing, he doesn't want to rebuild the German military.

448
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Speaker 1: He wants to replace the military with his essay. And

449
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Speaker 1: he's a he's a he's a he's a He's not

450
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Speaker 1: someone who's ever going to be satisfied with what the

451
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Speaker 1: Nazi state became, because he's just a lot more radical

452
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Speaker 1: than that. And once you're in power, a guy like

453
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Speaker 1: Rome is a liability threat. Yeah, because he keeps doing

454
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Speaker 1: the street terror in random islands and ship and at

455
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Speaker 1: this point, the Nazis are trying to play nice with

456
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Speaker 1: the conservatives. They want the center right, the middle class

457
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Speaker 1: majority of Germany to like see like, Oh, these Nazi

458
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Speaker 1: guys are are are safe and normal and we're gonna

459
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Speaker 1: have a stable society under them. Um So they got

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Speaker 1: to get rid of fucking Rome. And I'm gonna quote

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Speaker 1: from a rite up by Bleaker Street Media here. While

462
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Speaker 1: still fiercely loyal to Hitler, Rome's vision for Nazi Party

463
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Speaker 1: future was increasingly at odds with Hitler's. For Hydrick and Hitler,

464
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Speaker 1: there was a more pragmatic problem with the Essay. Although

465
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Speaker 1: the two men ran the s D in the Gestapo,

466
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Speaker 1: these organizations were officially under the domain of the Essay

467
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Speaker 1: in Rome. To secure their independence, Hitler and Hydric conspired

468
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Speaker 1: with Herman Garring to create a case against Rome. On

469
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Speaker 1: June four, Hydrick presented a dussier, a fabricated evidence to

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Speaker 1: Hitler that detailed the trees in this plot in which

471
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Speaker 1: the French were paying Rome twelve million marks to overthrow

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Speaker 1: the Reich. Based on Hydrick's trumped up report, Hitler authorized

473
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Speaker 1: a surprise attack against the Essay to take place on

474
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Speaker 1: June thirty, Hydrick's men swooped in, arresting Rome with eight

475
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Speaker 1: along with eighty five of his top officers, many of

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Speaker 1: whom we're intentionally shot to death in the process. When

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Speaker 1: the smoke cleared, the Essay had been dissolved. Between a

478
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty and two hundred people, including Rome, had

479
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Speaker 1: been murdered, and Hydrock and Himler were now free to

480
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Speaker 1: run the sd and Gestapo as they saw fit. This

481
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Speaker 1: is the Night of Long Knives. Hydrick is the big

482
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Speaker 1: man orchestrating this. Yeah, you gotta you gotta love a

483
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Speaker 1: foreign plot. That's just classic. That's a classic tactic. Just

484
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Speaker 1: uh you know, he's uh, he's sucking. I heard him

485
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Speaker 1: talking to a Portuguese guy about taking over. So uh

486
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Speaker 1: time the murder all of them. It's really it's it's smart.

487
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Speaker 1: It always works. Yep, yep. Now, um so after the

488
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Speaker 1: Night of Long Knives. The big thing that this does

489
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Speaker 1: is it removes the s S finally from underneath the

490
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Speaker 1: Essay shadow. And because of this, the Essay is able

491
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Speaker 1: to grow to become the preminent terror organization within the

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Speaker 1: Nazi state. Now, while Hydrick's career was soaring, his income

493
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Speaker 1: began to increase commence. Really as well, he benefited from

494
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Speaker 1: a number of loans from wealthy members of the Nazi Party,

495
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Speaker 1: which he was not expected to repay. He's basically just

496
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Speaker 1: being given money. It's graft, you know. So he's able

497
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Speaker 1: to build a mansion in a summer home and a

498
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Speaker 1: hunting lodge, and despite his new wealth, he could not

499
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Speaker 1: be ours to take care of his family. His parents

500
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Speaker 1: were destitute still, and they begged him for loans, despite

501
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Speaker 1: the fact that he'd begged them for a loan two

502
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Speaker 1: and a half years earlier. He turns them down and

503
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Speaker 1: doesn't give them a fucking dime. Yeah, it's he's cold

504
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Speaker 1: as ice. His sister repeatedly tells him their parents are

505
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Speaker 1: going to starve if he doesn't help, and eventually he's

506
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Speaker 1: able to give. He gives his mom like a little

507
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Speaker 1: bit of money, but he requires her to take care

508
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Speaker 1: of his kids in order to get it. Like he's

509
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Speaker 1: just like, yeah, he's just such a piece of ship. Yeah,

510
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Speaker 1: it's called program, And obviously we're talking about one of

511
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Speaker 1: the worst seas in history. Being addict to his family

512
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Speaker 1: kind of pales, but it's it's useful. It provides some

513
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Speaker 1: con text just because of like this guy wasn't even

514
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Speaker 1: nice to the people he loved. Like he's just a

515
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Speaker 1: real bad person. Yeah, it just it adds color to

516
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: it because you're just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he

517
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: hates the Jews, he's going to kill all the communist

518
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, but his his own mother.

519
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Speaker 1: Fucking Hey, Robert, Robert, you know who will be nice

520
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Speaker 1: to all of our moms? The products and services that

521
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Speaker 1: support this podcast, I mean one would hope except for

522
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Raytheon because you know who likes to show up at

523
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Speaker 1: weddings his mom's and you know what Raytheon likes to

524
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Speaker 1: do to weddings. Ah, here's some ads. We're back and

525
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Raytheon bit that I've been doing

526
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Speaker 1: for like a hearing change now probably our longest running bit,

527
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Speaker 1: and I try to like we've had a number of

528
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Speaker 1: running bits on the show that I try to recycle

529
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Speaker 1: because I don't want to get old. You know, like

530
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Speaker 1: we don't do the dur stuff anymore, we don't go

531
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Speaker 1: through in bagels anymore, and we may I mean when

532
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Speaker 1: when we can go in person again. We'll have a

533
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Speaker 1: redux of throwing ship around the studio. Because it is fun.

534
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Speaker 1: But um, you don't want things to get too old.

535
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Speaker 1: I can't stand up with Raytheon. I can't quit them

536
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: because they're just they just give us material. There's an

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Speaker 1: company whose former executive runs the Defense Department who has

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Speaker 1: like orchestrated a series of who's who's like largely responsible

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Speaker 1: for instigating and continuing to fund violence in a number

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Speaker 1: of international countries in order to like make profit for themselves.

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Speaker 1: And their name is Raytheon. They're calling like fucking hell,

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Speaker 1: it's like a classic super villain name and the And

543
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Speaker 1: I also, you know, I love any any like evil

544
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Speaker 1: corporation social media account during any month in which they're

545
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Speaker 1: supposed to be like uh you know, sort of like

546
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Speaker 1: an ethnic pride or like a pride, and they're just

547
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Speaker 1: we love trans people. Were Theon is asking all of

548
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Speaker 1: our all of our customers to be better. Yeah, love

549
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: it when IBM does ship like that, because like they

550
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: literally built the punch card system that tricks the Jews

551
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: that used in order to to orchestrate the Holocaust. Thanks IBM.

552
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Speaker 1: Surely Ray Theon will never be a part of anything

553
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Speaker 1: like that. They wouldn't let their missile guidance technology be

554
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Speaker 1: used to massacre. I don't know, dissidence against the US

555
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Speaker 1: government or against like a US backed regime in a

556
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Speaker 1: foreign country. That would never be the race, not ray Theon.

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Speaker 1: They support all a A p I people, as you

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Speaker 1: can tell by last month tweet thanks for that ray Theon. God.

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Speaker 1: People keep like telling me that they found out that

560
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Speaker 1: the knife missile, the rn I n X exists and

561
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Speaker 1: they thought it was a joke. I was making it first, Like,

562
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Speaker 1: you can't joke about the funniest thing about the knife

563
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Speaker 1: missile too, is it's they built this missile that is

564
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Speaker 1: just filled with knives so that they can kill people

565
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Speaker 1: who are like they can kill a single target without

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Speaker 1: killing the people around them, right, because a knife missile

567
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Speaker 1: less collateral damage than an I guess it's legitimately the

568
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Speaker 1: fun I think about the knife missile, it's the best

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Speaker 1: idea anyone's had in the war on terror in twenty years, like,

570
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Speaker 1: which just means it's not awful, but it's the only

571
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Speaker 1: good idea ever. And I was like, oh, hey, we

572
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: can actually kill less people with a knife missile. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: And it was invented by a middle schooler in the

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Speaker 1: nineties who like new metal. You know, it's the most

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Speaker 1: new metal idea. This is my band knife missile, oh

576
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Speaker 1: manon anyway, when compared. Yeah, so throughout the rest of

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Speaker 1: the early in mid nineteen thirties, Right and Harder Hydro

578
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Speaker 1: embarked in a project to take control of all political

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Speaker 1: intelligence gathering agencies in Germany. And I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: go into extreme detail about all the politicking and Nazi

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Speaker 1: in fighting here. The book Hitler's Hangman is I think

582
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Speaker 1: it's a very good biography, very readable biography. Goes into

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Speaker 1: a lot of detail about this um. What's important is

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Speaker 1: how he directed the increasingly powerful intelligence ratis he came

585
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Speaker 1: to control. Now, early on, the Nazis had had real enemies,

586
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Speaker 1: you know, communists and social democrats were trying to stop

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Speaker 1: the Nazis, right, they were trying to make a different

588
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Speaker 1: kind of government. They were legitimately enemies of the Nazis.

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Speaker 1: By five right Hard largely rein Hard, But he and

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Speaker 1: his colleagues have wiped out the communist underground. There is

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Speaker 1: no more political opposition to the regime that has any

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Speaker 1: kind of meaningful power. Those guys have all been killed,

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Speaker 1: put in concentration camps or frightened outside of political activision activism.

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Speaker 1: This presented a problem because the Reich Interior Minister, a

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Speaker 1: guy named phil Helm Frick, who was a conservative more

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Speaker 1: than really a Nazi. Um. He doesn't uh, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: really want a totalitarian state, right, he wants a right

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Speaker 1: wing dominated state where the left is illegal. But he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want like, he doesn't want to live in what

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Speaker 1: Nazi Germany becomes. UM And he's on paper Himler's boss.

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Speaker 1: And now that the regime has wiped out the left,

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Speaker 1: he's like, well, we should probably get rid of these

603
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Speaker 1: extra judicial powers we gave the s S to allow

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Speaker 1: them to wipe out the left. Otherwise this could get bad.

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Speaker 1: We don't want this to get weird. Yeah, well does

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Speaker 1: it get bad? Frick giant piece of shit. So Frick.

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Speaker 1: There's a fight between him and Uh and Himmler and Hydrick,

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Speaker 1: and Frick loses this fight in June of nineteen thirty six,

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Speaker 1: when Hitler formally appoints Himmler head of all German police.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote from the book Hitler's Hangman here.

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Speaker 1: The victory of the s S and the power struggle

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Speaker 1: with the Reich Interior Ministry was primarily the result of

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Speaker 1: Hitler's decision to favor a more open ended definition of

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Speaker 1: Nazism's enemies, a definition which Hydric had crucially contributed to

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Speaker 1: and which went far beyond the persecution of the political

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Speaker 1: opposition that is typical of all dictatorships. In late nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty four, Himler and Hydric came to the conclusion that

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Speaker 1: the justification of a permanent police state required a carefully

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Speaker 1: elaborated scenario portraying an all pervasive and subtly camouflaged network

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Speaker 1: of enemies who made necessary and extensive and sophisticated security

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Speaker 1: system to detect, expose, and defeat them. In nineteen thirty

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Speaker 1: five and a series of articles for the s S

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Speaker 1: journal Dash Schwartz Corps and republished in nineteen thirty six

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Speaker 1: as the Transformations of Our Struggle, Hydric publicly defined such

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Speaker 1: threats and the means to combat them, indicating the need

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Speaker 1: for a momentous reorientation of the Gestapo's activities. His central

627
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Speaker 1: argument was that even after the successful elimination of the

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Speaker 1: KPD and the SPD, the Communists and the Social Democrats,

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Speaker 1: the enemies of the German people were by no means defeated.

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Speaker 1: After achieving the immediate goal of Hitler's appointment as chancellor

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Speaker 1: in January nineteen thirty three. Many Germans wrongly assumed that

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Speaker 1: Nazi rule was now permanently secured. Hydro consisted that the

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Speaker 1: battle was by no means over. Instead, the struggle against

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Speaker 1: Germany's enemies now faced its most difficult and ultimately its

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Speaker 1: decisive phase, which would require quote years of bitter struggle

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Speaker 1: in order to repulse and destroy the enemy once and

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Speaker 1: for all. According to Hydric, the driving forces of the

638
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: enemy always remained the same world jewry, world freemasonry, and

639
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: political priests who abused the freedom of religious expression and

640
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: spirituality of large portions of the population for political reasons.

641
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: First of all, I love that this is just like

642
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: the foreign plot is now coming from inside the house. Uh.

643
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: It could be anyone specifically, the Jews and the Freemasons

644
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: and the Jesuits. The Jesuits, yes, which uh? And the

645
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: fucking they weren't these guys freemasons. Wasn't he a Freemason?

646
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: His dad was? His dad was? Yeah? No, wonder that

647
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: this is why he's letting his dad starve, Like I

648
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: think he believes only parts of what he's said. Of course,

649
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: now this is where we get into because again he's

650
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: saying this because it justifies his power. Right. This is

651
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: one of the most important things you have to understand

652
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: about the Nazis. First off, even when Hitler came to power,

653
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: it was not a foregone conclusion that Nazi Germany would

654
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: become the kind of tatalitarian state that it did, or

655
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: that the Holocaust would happen. We can argue over whether

656
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: or not Hitler had a grand scheme or a desire

657
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: to do that from the beginning, but it was not

658
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: foregone that he would have the power even once he

659
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: was in charge, because once he became the chancellor, there

660
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: are still a lot of people in the government, people

661
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: in the military, who could overthrow him, who could kick

662
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: him out, and who didn't agree with most of what

663
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: he was saying. Um And the evidence we have shows

664
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: that Hitler did not pursue genocide in an organized and

665
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: cohesive manner from the beginning of his time in power.

666
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: The pivot from left wingers as enemies to Jews and

667
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: other internal enemies, which was orchestrated by Hydrich and justified

668
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: by him in his public columns, was a key part

669
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: of why the Holocaust came to pass, and while Reinhard

670
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: was surely an anti Semite by this period, he did

671
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: this for fundamentally careerist reasons. If the Reich's new enemies

672
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: were elusive racial and religious enemies, the police were clearly

673
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: ill equipped to handle such a threat. He was able

674
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: to increase his personal power and his personal clout by

675
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: pitching the s S his SS as the ideological shock troops,

676
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: which is what he called them of Nazism. Man. So

677
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: it's just like, uh, you know, it's completely void of

678
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: any ideology beyond your own personal power. Void because I

679
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: think he probably tells himself and believes elements of what

680
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: he's saying, But the ideology is secondary to the desire

681
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: from exactly, yeah, it's secondary to it. It's like, you know,

682
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: because you can take any German off the street and

683
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: uh in this period and they have you know, a

684
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: cultural fucking anti Semitism, right, But like this guy is

685
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: actively organizing a mass genocide because he wants a better

686
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: title and he wants more people to work under him.

687
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean just like this is like this is the

688
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: logical conclusion of anyone in like a PMC class. It's like,

689
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: I want to be the biggest baddest middle manager of

690
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: all time. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's kind of hydra Yeah, yeah,

691
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: he's a general side. Yeah. Now, Reinhard saw Freemasonry and

692
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: communism in fact, and also the political church right, which

693
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: is the Catholic church here you said Jesuits earlier. That's

694
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: a big part of he goes after the Catholics. He

695
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: does have to be very careful going after the Catholics

696
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: because a lot of Germans are Catholics. And he and

697
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, he is too, um so he One

698
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: of the ways he frames is that like Freemason's communists,

699
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: these political clerics are agents of Judaism. So Judaism is

700
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: just one of a couple of internal enemies, but it's

701
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: the one that's behind the others generally, and in fact,

702
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: all social justice movements and they do frightenness is like

703
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: they call it. Social justice movements are part of a

704
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: scheme to weaken Germany by the Jews. In order to

705
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: combat this scheme, Hydrick and his men would need quote

706
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: utter hardness. He acknowledged that the cruelty his men would

707
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: have to display in order to do what was necessary

708
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: would be difficult for them, saying at one meeting quote

709
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: it is almost too difficult for an individual. But we

710
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: must be hard as granite or else our viewer's work

711
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: will be in vain. Much later people will be grateful

712
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: for what we have taken upon us. God, it's just

713
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: like we all have to just stick together, just a

714
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: bunch of men, hard as a rock, hard, a hard dude,

715
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: just hard dudes, just fucking Oh, I'm talking vaining and hard.

716
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: That's what we have to be in order to accomplish this.

717
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: Hidrick was a major reason why the German police operated

718
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: throughout the Reich in a permanent state of emergency. That's

719
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: his a big part his doing. He's the guy who

720
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: suggests this. At least he's like, we have extra powers

721
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: because of a state of emergency. If the state of

722
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: emergency is over, because you've purged all of your political enemies,

723
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: you lose those powers. So he's like, no, no, no no,

724
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: because of all the Jews in the Freeman, there's still

725
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: an immer ergencies, so we need these powers, though they

726
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: never leave this state of emergency. Um now, to help

727
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: develop new plans to deal with this new threat, he

728
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: brings experts into the s S. One of these experts,

729
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: his Jewish expert is a guy you might have heard

730
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: of named Adolph Aikman. Now later on in the sixties,

731
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: when he goes to trial and is eventually executed by

732
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: the State of Israel. Um Hannah rent Will famously right

733
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: of Aikman that he embodied the banality of evil because

734
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: he's he's a middle manager type guy. He's his dude

735
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: who looks like someone you might see in lying at

736
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: the fucking elementary school picking his kid up in a minivan. Um,

737
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: and he's a big He's like Hydrick and that he's

738
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: a he's an implementation guy. You know, he's not the

739
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: guy out they're giving the speeches. He doesn't get anybody like.

740
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't he doesn't fire up the masses. But in

741
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: a meeting when you've got like multiple different government agencies,

742
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Hydrock and Eichmann are the guys who are capable of

743
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: wrangling everyone together. They're like whips in the Senate, right,

744
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: they whip votes, they whip support together, and they organize

745
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: and figure out how to carry out plans of action.

746
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: Adolf Eichman is hired to the s S as his

747
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: Jewish expert, and his experience for being a Jewish expert

748
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: is that Um not not. At that point he eventually

749
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: does learn Sebieish. He had been a salesman um and

750
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: he liked crime books. He liked he liked, he liked

751
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: detective novels. He liked the same books that Hidrick did.

752
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: That's why he gets the job. You're the jew expert.

753
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: You like the same books, and you you used to

754
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: go to that deli all the time. You know what

755
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: locks one skin? You've had aer Dill? Tell us about them?

756
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: What are they like? The articles Hydric wrote about the

757
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: internal Jewish threat played a direct role in bringing on

758
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: what scholars called the second anti Semitic wave in Nazi Germany,

759
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: which began in nineteen thirty five with mass spontaneous violence

760
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: against Jewish people in businesses. Hydrock did this because it

761
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: was bad for the economy and for the sense of order.

762
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: He knew that the German middle class, center right families

763
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: did not like seeing that ship. The Nuremberg laws. Then

764
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: we're a response to street anti semitism. The Nuremberg laws

765
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: existed to stop people from beating and murdering Jews in

766
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: the street and destroying their businesses. Because that ship is

767
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: bad for business. Right, there were like no, no, no, no, no, listen,

768
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this through the state. We're gonna have

769
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: this state put they're they're metaphorical boot on their neck. Yes,

770
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: we need to oppress the Jews with law, not with

771
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: random street violence, exactly exactly. And we need to know

772
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: you know what constitutes did you? We need to know

773
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: how much blood you need to have, you know how

774
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: many how many times you know you've been to the theater.

775
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, we need to know all this stuff first

776
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: before we can categorize you exactly. And that's a big

777
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: part of the Nuremberg Laws. We're not going to go

778
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: into nearly enough to tail. I mean, there's whole just

779
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: about the Nuremberg Laws, and there's this process of determining

780
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: what a Jew is because this is and this is

781
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: a big misconception. The Jews are not targeted by the

782
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Nazi state for their religion. They are targeted for their ethnicity.

783
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: If you're a someone who had a Jewish mom and

784
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: you're a hardcore Protestant or a Catholic, you're a Jew.

785
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: To ryanhard Hydrick. If you're an atheist and you marry

786
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: a fucking bohemian woman who's a Catholic, you're a Jew.

787
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: To Ryan Hard Hydrick, it didn't even matter if it

788
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: was within Jewish law, like if you had a Jewish

789
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: father but not a Jewish mother, like you know, that's

790
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: not haloic lee Jewish. But and it depends because like

791
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: the under the Nuremberg laws, I think that guy wouldn't

792
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: be a Jew. He changed, Yeah, he he liked the

793
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: Nuremberg Laws, but he thought they didn't go far enough.

794
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: And his big issues is that, well, this doesn't define

795
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: enough people as Jewish, right, there's too many ways for

796
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: someone with Jewish ancestry to slip into the people's racial community.

797
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: And that's a problem for me. But he sees still

798
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: this is a big step forward, right, the Nuremberg laws,

799
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: because now there's this is the first real legal justification

800
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: for for sustained persecution of the Jews under the Nazi regime. Now,

801
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty four, Hydroc had suggested in an internal

802
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: memo that quote the aim of Jewish policies must be

803
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: the immigration of all Jews, and he urged that voluntary

804
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: immigration could be achieved by creating a legal climate so

805
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: oppressive that Jewish people could no longer stand to stay

806
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: in the Reich. To further this end. In nineteen thirty five,

807
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: he had the Gestapo start keeping track of all Jewish

808
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: German residents. In nineteen thirty six, he started monitoring their

809
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: financial transactions to stop them from putting their money in

810
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: foreign banks. They had to leave, but he wanted most

811
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: of their wealth to remain. Now. Hydrock supported to an

812
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: extent the Zionist movement in Palestine UM and in fact

813
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: he had we have these memos from him where he's

814
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: saying like, I want to crack down on any sort

815
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: of organizations supporting jew Is assimilation into German culture when

816
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: we should support the Zionist movement UM. And in fact,

817
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: he actually sends Adolf Eichman to Palestine in the thirties

818
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: to talk with a member of the Haganah UM which

819
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: becomes the I d F, to discuss how they could

820
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: further urge further immigration. And this there's we should go

821
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: into more detail about. There's some wild ship at this meeting,

822
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: including the fact that this this UH, this emissary of

823
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: the Zionist movement tells Aikman that the German like they're

824
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: having problems with the German Jews who were leaving Germany

825
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: and coming to Palestine because number one, they don't plan

826
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: to stay. They want to go back to Europe. And there,

827
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: in his words, workshy, which is also what the Nazis described.

828
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: It's it's really a lot of interesting history. They're very

829
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: interesting internal anti Semitism amongst the kind of like right

830
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: wing class in Israel. Yeah, and it it doesn't like again,

831
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: as soon as the war starts with the vast majority

832
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: of the Zionist movement, like is not just anti Nazi

833
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: is like actively shooting Nazis of course, the but there's there's,

834
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: as we talked about in some other episodes, there's a

835
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: chunk of them that are willing to work with these

836
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: guys because they both think Jews shouldn't assimilate. Um. Now,

837
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 1: even the Nazis were not uniform in their attitudes about

838
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: what should be done to the Jews. And again, this

839
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: is actually a thing that there's a lot of debate

840
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: over because there's large chunks of the Nazi party who

841
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: want the street violence, who think that the programs are

842
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: the way to go about achieving their wins. Gebel's is

843
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: a big chunk of this. Gebel supports kind of a

844
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 1: calodic melange of Boycott's street violence and vandalism against Jews.

845
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: That's why he and his propaganda arms are trying are

846
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: stirring up a lot of this street violence, right, That's

847
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: their goal is to get Germans out in the street

848
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: doing violence and destroying Jewish property and hi like, there's

849
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: a big competition between these two wings of the of

850
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: the German Party, both of which are essentially proposing different

851
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: answers to the Jewish question. Gebel's is saying, you know,

852
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: we beat them and kill them in the street force

853
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: and that will force you know, the ones we don't

854
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: beat and kill to leave. Hydrick is saying, no, no no, no,

855
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: we is the law to in an orderly way oppressed

856
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: them so that they leave. Those are two different answers

857
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: to the Jewish question. In late nineteen thirty five, these

858
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: various sides of the Nazi Party kind of came together decided, like,

859
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: we can't keep arguing over this, we have to have

860
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: a concerted strategy um and they held a big how

861
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: to racism meeting. Now, the impetus of this was a

862
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: massive program in nineteen thirty five that did millions of

863
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: dollars in damage to the German economy, because again, when

864
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: you run through the streets, destroying businesses and departments. It's

865
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: bad for business, right, Yeah, it's these these economies don't

866
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: exist in a vacuum. Like you're actively hurting the German

867
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: economy as well when you're doing this. Yeah, and so

868
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: in this like this meeting is actually is called because

869
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: the German economic minister a guy named Hilmar Shocked Um

870
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: who's a friend of the Dullest brothers and also I

871
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: think a friend of of the Koch brother's dad. Um.

872
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: He's an anti Simon, but he's I'll just tell you,

873
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: I am Shocked Shocked. That's good. So he felt that

874
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: the economic consequences of this were unacceptable, and so he

875
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: holds this meeting to be like, we have to figure

876
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: out a better way to do this. And Hydrick is

877
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: very much in agreement with Shocked in this, and he

878
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: takes this meeting as an opportunity to try to whip

879
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: again the thing he does best. He tries to whip

880
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 1: everyone in line behind his strategy. Um. He says during

881
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: the meeting quote the only way to both get the

882
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Jews out and avoid violence is a concerted campaign of

883
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: economic marginalization Um. He also suggested a ban on mixed marriage,

884
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: the prosecution of sexual intercourse between Jews and Arians, and

885
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: restrictions of Jewish freedom of movement. His suggestion in this

886
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: meeting led directly to the Nuremberg Laws, which were formulated

887
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: that September. So again that's why this all happens. So

888
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: the Nuremberg Laws are the legal basis for all organized

889
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: Nazi persecution of Jews and the first concrete step towards

890
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: the Holocaust. And Hydrick's performance in that meeting, his ability

891
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: to wrangle his fellow Nazis towards his desired plan of action,

892
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: establishes him as the leading Nazi authority on the Jewish question. Now,

893
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: the mid nineteen thirties are also the height of the

894
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: weird Nazi period. This is the time when the occult

895
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: wings of the party where at their strongest. The ship

896
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: you see in Hell Boy, right, elements that were real.

897
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of weird like Heinrich Kimler thinking

898
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: he's the reincarnation of a Danish prince. Right, Hitler's best

899
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: buddy who Rudolph. I think it was Rudolf hess Um

900
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: who was like super into the occult and was like

901
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: doing like seances and ship. Yeah, this is when they

902
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: went like doing like full nerd ship, just learning out

903
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: on paganism. And that's not a big factor once the

904
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: war starts, even right before the war starts, and in

905
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: fact Hess's flight to Europe because he kind of loses

906
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: his mind and floors to England to try and that's

907
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: like a big part of like because he had been

908
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: such an advocate of this, and because he had so,

909
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Hitler saw it as like a kind of a betrayal

910
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: like that that kind of spells an into the influence

911
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: of that. But there's always a level of it in

912
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: the s S um and this has talked about a lot.

913
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: It's probably over emphasized now. It's fair to say Heinrich Kimler,

914
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: hit or the other big Nazis didn't trust his Christianity,

915
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: particularly Catholicism, and they wanted to minimize its influence, both

916
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: in the Reich and in the s S. To this end,

917
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: Hitler replaced marriage ceremonies for s S men with the Huy,

918
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: which was a new fascist wedding ritual. He replaced Easter

919
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: celebrations with Midsummer celebrations, and he brought in a whole

920
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: host of pagan rituals. He claimed were ancient German old

921
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: time religion. Now this new quasi faith that Himler kind

922
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: of cobbles together for the s S is called gout

923
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: glaubit Kite and it was not popular. Again, this gets

924
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: over emphasized and its height. About two of the s

925
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: S follows this whatever you want to call it, religion

926
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: about are Protestant and the rest are Catholic. Hydrick is

927
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: one of the who buys into Himler's weird neo pagan

928
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: Nazi thing, although this is more todying. He's trying to

929
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: impress his boss by doing this. After the war, Lena

930
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: Hydric would claim that she and her husband made fun

931
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: of Himler's weird religion in private, so he's not very

932
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: committed to this. It does. He's doing virtue virtue signal

933
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: those Nazi is Nazi overlords. But you know who won't

934
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: virtue signal to their Nazi overlords, Matt is that the

935
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: products and services. That's that is right. It is the

936
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: products and services that support this podcast. None of them

937
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: our believers in German pagan SS philosophy. Yeah, they will

938
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: never do weird Nazi weddings unless you want them to. Yeah,

939
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean well, Okay, let's just let's just all the

940
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: ads at this point. Ah, we're back. So in nine six,

941
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: Hydric launched a systematic torture campaign against the Jehovah's Witnesses

942
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: and the Jehovah's Witnesses. This is important to note in

943
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: terms of like absolute numbers, not a lot of these guys,

944
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: not a sizeable chunk of the Holocaust, although a lot

945
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: of them get killed relative to their population. But the

946
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: Jehovah's Witnesses are only group in the Third Reich who

947
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: was persecuted purely on the basis of their religion. Um.

948
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: And that's because Jehovah's Witnesses refused to swear allegiance to

949
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: governments um. And that makes them enemies of the state

950
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: under the Nazis. Hydrick's crackdown would eventually lead six thousand

951
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: witnesses being arrested and interned in concentration camps. Hundreds died

952
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: in camps who were executed straight away. I think they

953
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: wore a purple triangle in the concentration camps. Um. Now,

954
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: Hydrick's prosecution of Freemasonry was, by comparison, a lot less brutal,

955
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: mainly because Freemasons didn't hold that much power, and like

956
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: none of them are willing to die for their dumb clubs.

957
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: So once the Nazis take power, they all just kind

958
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: of leave and he confiscates their stuff and he puts

959
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: it in a museum. In subsequent years he establishes another

960
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: similar museum which is filled with Jewish artifacts. And that's

961
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of his idea, is like, we need to have

962
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: these museums to show people the dangers of this ideology

963
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: and like how how but also how silly it is,

964
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: and like how like that's that's the and what do

965
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: you put in museum? But things that no longer exist

966
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: and are now in the past exactly the shadowing fucking

967
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: scumbag shit ever, m it's good ship um. In ninety seven,

968
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: Hydroc had his criminal police launched a massive dragnet operation

969
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: against what he called habitual criminals and A socials. Now,

970
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: these were people who didn't work or didn't work enough,

971
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: or lived on the street, or made their living in

972
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: a less than legal manner. By the end of nineteen

973
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: thirty eight, nearly twenty thousand A socials were in preventative detention.

974
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: These people were also sent to concentration camps, mostly as

975
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: a scare tactic. The Reich was in the midst of

976
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: a labor shortage, and the point of this particular campaign

977
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: was to force people to work, not to kill them. Now,

978
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: all these different crusades in the late thirties tax the

979
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: concentration camp system, which had not been well planned from

980
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: the beginning. In late nineteen six to thirty seven, the

981
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: s S re organized the camps, shutting down most of

982
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: the old ones and building new ones modeled off of

983
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: Dachau from Hitler's Hangman quote. The Dachow model, designed to

984
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: regiment the prisoners and dehumanize their relations with the guards,

985
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: was based on a system of graded punishment for various offenses,

986
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: which ranged from denial of food to execution. To dehumanize

987
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: relationship with prisoners, the guard's behavior was regulated to maintain

988
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: distance and eliminate human contact. The first of these camps

989
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: was Saxonhausen, north of Berlin, and if you're ever in Berlin,

990
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: I really recommend taking a tour of Saxonhausen Um. The

991
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: German government is a very good job of of doing

992
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: has done a good job of making these places into museums.

993
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: And when you get a tour at one of these places.

994
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: It's not just like some dude who's doing a summer job,

995
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: some kid. It's somebody with like a degree like they

996
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: they the people who work there. I've talked with a

997
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: number of them. I did this tour. You can have

998
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: long converse about Hannah Rent, about the nature of fascism,

999
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: about the development. They're very knowledgeable. Um. I walked away

1000
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: very impressed, and we did. The tour I went on

1001
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: was in like the dead of December, so you know,

1002
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: you're covered in snow, it's freezing outside, and everybody is

1003
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: like you're bundled up. It's the German winter, you know,

1004
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: and you're walking around you're seeing this concentration camp. You're

1005
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: seeing that. I think one of the things that really

1006
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: stuck with me is they had these concrete pits, which

1007
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: are like these square pits like ten or fifteen feet

1008
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: deep with a great on top of them that people

1009
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: would be stuck in for days at a time, and

1010
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: you could look in and you could see the marks

1011
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: where they'd clawed at the concrete. Um you're like fingernail

1012
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: marks still in it. And you would walk around like

1013
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: freezing your ass off, just utterly miserable in this cold,

1014
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: and you would go inside and the first thing you

1015
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: would see was one of the concentration camp uniforms, which

1016
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: is this threadbare black and white unitard thing. And it's

1017
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: just like this immediately oh oh yeah, yeah, certainly uh.

1018
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: Not taking the cold of the German winter into account

1019
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: with the universe well, or you could argue taking it

1020
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: very much into account and you to tell people, you know.

1021
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: Um So, Hydrick was one of the major drivers and

1022
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: backers of the Dacow model, and it's worth noting that,

1023
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: unlike him, Heinrich Hemmler, Himler has trouble visiting and the

1024
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: concentration camps. He faints at Auschwitz, he does repeatedly. Here's

1025
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: the thing, though he repeatedly visits these camps to see

1026
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Um Hydroch almost never does. Now. This

1027
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: is probably not because it was too horrifying for him.

1028
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: In fact, his biographer thinks it was because he wasn't

1029
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: actually in charge of the camp, right he decides who

1030
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: goes there and who's released from there. Once he's inside

1031
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: the camps, he's in somebody else's domain. And Theodore Ike,

1032
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: who we talked about earlier, the guy who's running the camps,

1033
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't like Theodore Um. They're both political enemies and

1034
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: they both are competing for Himler's favor Um, and so

1035
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to go to the camps because

1036
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: he's he's putting himself basically in someone else's territory. I

1037
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: love it. It's like, why don't you go to these

1038
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: camps that you built to murder millions and millions of people? Oh,

1039
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to be rude to a coworker. Yeah, well,

1040
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I will say at this point, these are not camps

1041
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: to murder people. Murder happens, but the German concentration camps

1042
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: at this point he could argue no worse than the

1043
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: British concentration camps for the Bowers, no worse, certainly no

1044
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: worse than some of the things that the Spanish camps did,

1045
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: No worse the British themselves had done. At this point,

1046
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: there's a difference. And the thing is Hydrick, with these

1047
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: concentration camps is stealing an idea from people and it

1048
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: becomes more brutal than what it existed before. When they

1049
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: transition to the Daco model, that is an escalation from

1050
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: what concentration camps had been. He certainly didn't invent it,

1051
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: nor did they invent the race science used to just

1052
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: what they invent are the death camps. That is an

1053
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: innovation that Hydric gets. Um. Yeah, well, and again that's

1054
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: what this episode is about. So by the late nineteen thirties,

1055
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: Hydrick is on paper a member of the upper middle

1056
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: class and in reality he's basically a millionaire. This happens

1057
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: to all of the big Nazis, and the way it

1058
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: worked for them is that they would receive allowances from

1059
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: the Gestapo, gifts and loans from prominent men and the

1060
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: Reich Um and his his rough income on paper like

1061
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 1: what he would legally admit to having was about seven

1062
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: times with a middle class German made um, and despite

1063
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: the fact that they're now rolling in cash have multiple

1064
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: home Lena constantly complained that his salary was quote barely

1065
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: sufficient to live on in When his salary was increased

1066
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: yet again to eight times a German middle class income,

1067
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: he cut the salaries of his two domestic servants, again

1068
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: minor compared to the death camps. But it shows you,

1069
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: like this guy is comprehensively I mean, yeah, he's going

1070
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: through a checklist of like fucking bullshit behavior of just

1071
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: but now evil ship, like fucking cutting the income. And

1072
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: also I love I love that his his wife is

1073
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: like still being like, you know, you don't make enough

1074
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: money and he just has to be like the women.

1075
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: Am I right? He always complaining about not having enough money.

1076
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: Was the shopping Oh my god, my mind got mine,

1077
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: got god. So Heidrick and Hitler first met at a

1078
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: birthday reception or the fewer in the early nineteen thirties,

1079
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: and Hitler was impressed by Hydrick's aryan looks and impressed

1080
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: by the fact that he and his wife are both

1081
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of like arians, and in fact, when he sees them,

1082
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: he says, what a beautiful couple. I am most impressed.

1083
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: I just I love every reaction to uh, to this

1084
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: guy is just like other Germans going, wow, he's very attractive. Yeah,

1085
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: you're just like vow you look like just supposed to look. Yeah,

1086
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: like none of us actually look. Yeah you look. This

1087
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: is what she's saying into propagandas as we look like

1088
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: I love, I just want the world field with Zach

1089
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: Morris is normal, screaches, normal, screech just Zach Morris. Now. Um.

1090
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: Despite that, Hitler, you know, is impressed with him from

1091
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: early on, especially kind of just likes the way he

1092
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: looks um. Reynhard is never really in Hitler's inner circle.

1093
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: They're not personally friends, but the fewer increasingly by the

1094
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: late thirties, cames to trust him and see him as

1095
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: loyal and talented, and he gives Hydrick increasing sponsibility for

1096
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: settling the Jewish question. Now in the late nineteen thirties,

1097
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: this is a fun little aside story, we gotta tell it.

1098
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: This is part of his establishment of the Nazi security state.

1099
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: In the late thirties, Ryanhard becomes aware of a woman

1100
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: named Kitty Schmidt who operated a brothel in Berlin now

1101
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: is Germany's had a cop. His job is technically to

1102
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: arrest her, but he had a better idea. He had

1103
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: the s S take over the brothel and fill it

1104
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: with wire taps. Kitty still ran everything. He allowed her to,

1105
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: allowed her to keep running her brothel as long as

1106
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: he could use it. There's kind of it's kind of

1107
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: like the Nazi best little horhouse in Texas and his

1108
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: fascist Burt Reynolds, My god, what a visual. So yeah,

1109
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: So the SS Kitty like they basically re evamped this brothel,

1110
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: and they do it for a specific reason. They want

1111
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: to collect intelligence using prostitutes. So they first off kind

1112
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: of let go a lot of like the staff. They

1113
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: see his lower class, and they hire high class German ladies.

1114
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: Most of the women working here are like the wives

1115
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: or at least mistresses of wealthy, upper class German men.

1116
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: We have a recruitment profile for women who work at

1117
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: the brothel which reads, quote, wanted our women and girls

1118
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: who are intelligent, multi lingual, nationalistically minded, and furthermore, man crazy.

1119
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: We want the most boy crazy. We want horny fascist bitches.

1120
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: That's give me all your horny fascist pitches, just like

1121
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: radio commercials are your horny fascist bit where Hi, I'm

1122
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: just laying maxwell. And so the targets of this information

1123
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: gathering operation were German military officers. So a lot of

1124
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: them weren't Nazis. Right, most people aren't Nazis even in

1125
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: the Nazi regime at this point. Um, so German military

1126
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: off users who might not be loyal to Hitler, but

1127
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: also other Nazis and visiting foreign dignitaries. Right, So Reinhard

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01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: and his men, would you know they would sit down,

1129
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: they would a meeting with some guy. You know, maybe

1130
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 1: they're having a meeting about some security matter. Maybe they're

1131
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: having a meeting with a foreign ally and they would

1132
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the meeting be like, hey, you

1133
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: know you're in Berlin for another day or two for

1134
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: this meeting. Here, here's a special code word. If you

1135
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: go to this brothel, they'll give you the special menu

1136
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: with this code word. And the menu did entitle them

1137
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: to the special menu of these like super you know,

1138
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: from what the Nazis point of view, high class prostitutes.

1139
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: But the menu when you came in and told Kitty

1140
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: Schmidt this password, it also told her, okay, turn on

1141
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: the recording equipment. They want to eavesdrop on this guy

1142
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: while he's fucking. I should have known when the passwords

1143
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: they gave me was honey popped, but I didn't put

1144
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: the pieces together. So one of the customers of this brothel,

1145
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: it was the son in law and foreign minister of

1146
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: Fascist Italy, who repeatedly insulted Hitler while he was fucking.

1147
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: Hitler's a chip. I hate a little bad I can

1148
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: never do this. He can't fuck this good. He's kind

1149
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: of a funk like me. Look at the size of

1150
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: my penny. He has a one ball, single meat. The

1151
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: ball he has the only nay, I want to meat

1152
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: the ball and it's not the spicy one. Oh boy.

1153
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: Another who didn't give away anything evidently when he was

1154
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: there was s S. General Sep Dietrich, who is a

1155
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: terrifying man in some ways. Sep Dietrich is the founder

1156
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: of the idea of special forces. Um like, he's a

1157
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: really legitimately frightening man. Um and Sept Dietrich when he

1158
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: goes into this brothel heet he gets the code word.

1159
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: He seems to know he's being recorded, but he just

1160
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: wants to fuck. So he goes in and demands all

1161
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: twenty of the women on the menu and has an

1162
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: all night orgy with these ladies. Beautiful. You know, I mean,

1163
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: I hate this guy on principle, but you know, if

1164
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, you know, live it up and

1165
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: just shut yeah. Gebbels was also a frequent customer. He

1166
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: was said to enjoy lesbian displays. Another big customer was

1167
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: a major German tank ace who liked to drink toilet

1168
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: water after women use the bathroom. Um yeah, classic German

1169
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: shies upon yeah. Hydric himself also regularly visited the brothel,

1170
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: although the microphones were turned off for his visits. Oh yeah, yeah,

1171
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: well yep, I mean, that's an amazing, amazing aside. You know,

1172
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: just like the levels of evil of this person, they

1173
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: just run the gamut. He's real piece of shit. So

1174
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: when Germany annexed Austria, Hydric's job was to put together

1175
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: a team of s S men to go into the

1176
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: stolen country and arrest political prisoners. In addition to putting

1177
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: two thousand people in camps, Hydrick's men launched a targeted

1178
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: operation to confiscate Jewish property. He announced that anyone caught

1179
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: stealing from Jews though during this period would be punished

1180
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: mercilessly because their wealth was property of the Reich. So both,

1181
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: we're going to take everything that Jews have, but if

1182
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: random citizens start taking their ship, you're stealing from the government. Um. Now.

1183
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: There was, of course, a wide gulf between rhetoric and reality.

1184
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: The kind of men who joined the s S were thugs,

1185
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: and they were never able to help themselves from beating

1186
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: and murdering and robbing no matter what Hydric said. A

1187
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: big part of his job was putting out the pr

1188
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: fires started by his subordinates. Much of the violence of

1189
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: the Angelus came from Austrian Nazis who took the end

1190
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: of their old government as an opportunity to let loose.

1191
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: They burned and looted businesses. Jews were forced by crowds

1192
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: to kneel and scrub the streets. One observer later recalled quote,

1193
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: the underworld had opened up its gates and set loosed

1194
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: its lowest, most disgusting hordes. The city transformed itself into

1195
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: a nightmarish painting by Hieronymous Bosch. Demons seemed to have

1196
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: crawled out of filthy eggs and risen from marshy burrows.

1197
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: The air was constantly filled with a desolate, hysterical shrieking,

1198
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: and people's faces were distorted, some with fear, others with lies,

1199
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: still others with wild hate filled triumph one star review,

1200
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: one star for the Angels Now. When the violence prompted

1201
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: an outcry, and again an outcry even from some people

1202
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: who were in within the German government, Hydric blamed the

1203
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: Pegram on disguised communists. It's the left, it's anti always,

1204
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: it's always that oh man. He said. They were trying

1205
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: to make Germany look bad and create propaganda for her

1206
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: foreign enemies. After the initial uncontrolled violence, Hydrick ss was

1207
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: able to push a more orderly terror. He established a

1208
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: central office in Vienna which would take in catalog Jewish

1209
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: property at the same time as it produced thousands of

1210
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: exit visas to allow Jewish families to leave the country.

1211
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: And basically the idea was that we're taking the property

1212
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: of the rich Jews to a for the process of

1213
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: get of of immigrating the other ones out of here,

1214
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: getting the exit vas is sending them elsewhere. Now, this

1215
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: system would become a model used by other Nazi annexations,

1216
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: but it did not go quickly enough for many Germans.

1217
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: The Anschluss brought two hundred thousand more Jews into the

1218
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: German Reich, which more than canceled out the hundred and

1219
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand who had left by the end of

1220
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven. The most racist Germans were frustrated by this,

1221
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: and Hydrock responded with a crackdown on Polish Jewish immigrants

1222
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: in Germany. So one of the problems is they're trying

1223
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: to get these people out as fast as they can,

1224
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: and they're even to the point where if you're rich,

1225
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: they take some of your money, they'll leave you with

1226
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: some of it, because otherwise you're not going to be

1227
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: taken anywhere. Um. And it's in general the biggest problem

1228
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: they have is and this is one of the things

1229
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: you do have to point out when you talk about,

1230
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: for example, Jewish immigration to Palestine during this period, that

1231
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: was one of the only places they could go. That

1232
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: was the number one place that Jewish refugees were able

1233
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: to go. Everywhere was close to them. Everywhere else. Yeah,

1234
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: the United States would not take any Jewish. We let

1235
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: boats full of Jewish refugees drowned in the ocean because

1236
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: we wouldn't let them onto our shore. So and this

1237
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: is a problem for the Nazis, right, because they're trying

1238
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: to get these people out, but it's difficult. They're not

1239
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: taking it. And the places that are taking them are

1240
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: places like Czechoslovakia, which then the Germans take more places

1241
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: like Poland, which they want, and like the Polish the

1242
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: Polish state is as racist almost as the German state.

1243
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: So the Polish state, these Jews who had fled Poland

1244
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: because there were programs in the early nineteen hundreds into

1245
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: Germany and had become German residents, get kicked out and

1246
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: forced into Poland, who denies their citizenship. So They're like,

1247
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: it's a whole fucking mess. No, it's the Earth. Earth

1248
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: in the thirties, real bad place, real bad place for

1249
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: the Jews. Nobody wanted him, and uh yeah, it's it's

1250
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: not fun for us. And in nineteen thirty eight, one

1251
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: of the families who gets caught up in this, Hydrick

1252
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: is pushing the Polish refugees out of Germany. Um Poland

1253
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: doesn't want to take them. One of the family leads

1254
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: who gets sucked over in this are the green Spawns

1255
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: g r y n s z p a n s

1256
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: but I think it's pronounced green Span or something like that.

1257
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: Their son, Herschel lived in Paris, and he was outraged

1258
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: by his family suffering by the fact that they've gotten

1259
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: kicked out of Germany after barely building a life there.

1260
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: And you know this, he's kind of goes mad with grief.

1261
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: And because everything seems fucked up, nothing seems nothing. The

1262
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: Nazis aren't facing any consequences for their actions, the international

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: community isn't doing ship to stop it. He can't think

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01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: of anything better to do that to get a gun

1265
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: and go shoot a Nazi politician living in Paris, a

1266
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: guy who he did nothing wrong. Herschel Greenspan did nothing,

1267
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. Yeah, he shoots this guy Ernst von Roth

1268
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: um and and von Roth eventually dies of his injuries.

1269
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: And then, to quote from a write up in Bleaker

1270
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: Street Media here about what came next. Three days later,

1271
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: Hydrick sent out a memo with the subject line measures

1272
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: against the US Tonight, a communication that directed the police

1273
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: to maintain a hands off policy to the spontaneous national

1274
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: riots that Joseph Gebel's and he had orchestrated. All night long.

1275
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: Jewish businesses were destroyed, homes vandalized or destroyed, and families

1276
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: rounded up and arrested, if not killed. In London at

1277
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: the Times calculated the damage quote no foreign propagandists bent

1278
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: on blacketting Germany before the world could outdo the tale

1279
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: of burnings and beatings of blackguardly assaults on the fenceless

1280
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: and innocent people which disgraced that country. Yesterday, more than

1281
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 1: a thousand synagogues and seven thousand Jewish businesses had been attacked,

1282
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: more than ninety people had been murdered, and thirty thousand

1283
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: Jews were arrested and sent to concentration camps. To add

1284
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: insult to injury, the Jewish people whose property had been

1285
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: destroyed were charged by the state with its clean up.

1286
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: This is the Night of Broken Glass. This is Christal

1287
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: Knocked and Hydrick is not the only one behind it,

1288
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: but he's one of the organizing forces behind Christal Knocked.

1289
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: And maybe that seems a little bit odd considering his

1290
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: attitude towards street violence. But just wait for what comes next.

1291
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: There's a reason why this is not the worst thing

1292
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,879
Speaker 1: in the world for him. No, yeah, you're slowly becoming

1293
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: more and more okay with this. Well, it's even more

1294
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: subtle than that. It's even shittier than that. So the

1295
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: Night of Broken Glass. A lot of people don't know.

1296
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: This was a disaster for the Nazis and seen by

1297
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: Hitler and Gering in particular as a horrible idea because

1298
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: it brings them all this really bad international pr It

1299
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: makes Badya in the international community. Um, and it fucks

1300
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: the economy. It does millions and millions of dollars to

1301
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: damage the economy. It sets back their five year plan.

1302
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: It's a real big problem for a lot of Nazis.

1303
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: And because they're so unhappy about what has happened during

1304
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: the Night of Broken Glass, they have a second big

1305
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: meeting of all the Nazis to be like, guys, we

1306
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: gotta get on the same page about this. So because

1307
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: there's another that Hydric helps to instigate and ensure won't

1308
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: be stopped by his police, because there's another mass violent

1309
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: pagrah that creates enough negative thought towards street violence that

1310
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: there's another meeting. And what is Hydrick really fucking good

1311
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: at taken control of meetings like this and getting everyone

1312
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: on board with his ideas. He's a big meeting guy. Yeah,

1313
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: So Hydric uses the opportunity to make the case again

1314
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: that yeah, of course street violence is bad. It's bad

1315
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: for the economy and makes people not like us. It

1316
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: makes us pariah's. We need to attack Jews through the

1317
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: law in an orderly manner. So he suggests an expansion

1318
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 1: of the restrictions that have been put in place at

1319
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: the Nuremberg Laws. For one thing, Jewish people should be

1320
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: restricted from using buses, from going to hospitals, from going

1321
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: to theaters, from visiting public parks and other public places.

1322
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: He also suggested forcing Jewish citizens to wear a yellow star.

1323
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: Now during this when he suggests this, even Hitler is like, well,

1324
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: that's a bit far Yeah, that's that much. Ran Hard

1325
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: calmed down. You're going to you're going to Ryan Hord

1326
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: in the paint right now, going to need you to

1327
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: chill act be Ryan saw like, yeah, this would be

1328
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: done eventually. But in Reinhard is the guy who kind

1329
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 1: of he's the first big dude to suggest this. Um.

1330
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: But Reinhard, the thing that he had that he succeeds

1331
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: in doing is he kind of very methodically. During this meeting,

1332
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: he lays out, um, how during the occupation of Vienna

1333
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: in his central office that he established had facilitated the

1334
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: expulsion of at least fifty thousand Jews. So he points out,

1335
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: like he walks them through, here's how we got We

1336
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: got fifty people in a in a matter of weeks

1337
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: out of out of Austria to leave for other countries. Um.

1338
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 1: No one else has gotten so many Jews to leave

1339
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: so quickly, and so you know, without so peacefully, without

1340
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: disruption to the state as I have. Um. And he

1341
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: claims that I can, I can set up offices like

1342
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: this all throughout the Reich. I can generalize this process

1343
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: and it won't cost us a dime because we'll pay

1344
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: to expel them with funds confiscated from wealthy Jews. And

1345
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: he does a good enough job of laying this out

1346
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: that by the end of the meeting, everyone agrees to

1347
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: put Hydroc in charge of purging the German Reich of Jews,

1348
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: do racism and balance the budget at the same time.

1349
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: Whatever exactly exactly he's able to get, he's able to

1350
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: marshal everyone behind. He's able to get them on the

1351
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: same page. You can answer to questions, the Jewish question

1352
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: and who's gonna pay for it? Questions. Now, by the

1353
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: end of the meeting, everyone agreed to put Hydroc in

1354
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: charge of purging the German Reich of Jews. He estimated

1355
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: this would take ten years. But for the first time

1356
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: since Hitler took power, the Nazis had a serious, actionable

1357
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: game plan to purge Central Europe of its Jews. And

1358
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 1: this brings us back to the question, the core question,

1359
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: one of the core questions of Holocaust studies was the

1360
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: Holocaust planned from the beginning or did it evolve over

1361
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: time out of the circumstances that that you know, presented themselves.

1362
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: The real any of the situation seems to be that

1363
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler was an idea man, not a logistics man.

1364
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: He would give speeches, he would get excited, he would

1365
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: talk about the Jews being the eternal foe. He would

1366
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: talk about needing to purge them. But he didn't come

1367
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: out with policy on his own to do that. See

1368
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: Hydrick job exactly. Hydrick and everyone else under Hitler, there

1369
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: was a policy and this is what they called it

1370
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: in the Nazi state, working towards the fewer. And what

1371
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: that means is that Hitler doesn't come up with plans

1372
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 1: and there doesn't say this is how we're gonna do,

1373
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do next. Hitler comes up

1374
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: with ideas, and it's up to Nazis if you want

1375
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: to impress Hitler, if you want to make a place

1376
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: for yourself in the party, to figure out what you

1377
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: think Hitler wants you to do, and then to do

1378
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: it right. Because the Nazi government was so competitive, this

1379
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: process evolved in increasingly extreme directions. Hydrick success came from

1380
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he was a genius when it came

1381
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: to taking the racist rants of his boss and translating

1382
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: them into action. His job was turning ideology into policy.

1383
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: That's what Hydrick does. Hitler and the others talk flippantly

1384
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: about getting rid of the Jews. There's a lot of

1385
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: talk in the yellow Nazi press about exterminating the Jews.

1386
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: Hydrick figures out how to make that ship happen. He's

1387
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: the Steve, wasn't Hitler Steve. He's an architect. Hitler describes

1388
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: his dream house. Ryan Hard figures out where the load

1389
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: bearing walls need to go. You know, that's the guy

1390
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: he is. When Germany next annexed Czechoslovakia, Reinhard organized special

1391
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: task groups of the s S and the German word

1392
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: for special task group is ininseets grouping. Their job was

1393
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: to arrest politically dangerous and undesirable people, and they arrested

1394
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: between ten and twenty people in a matter of days.

1395
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: Many were sent to Dachau or other concentration camps. I

1396
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: think about seven thousand in this period. Now, when Germany

1397
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: invaded Poland, which is what comes next, and I know

1398
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: we are YadA, YadA, ng at that's going on at

1399
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: the time, because he's he's got his hand and all

1400
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: of it. When Germany invades Poland, Hydric expands the ranks

1401
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: of the Einsetz Group and they eventually just initially just

1402
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: been like a like eight hundred dudes. I think, you know,

1403
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: during the annexation of Czechoslovakia, there was a lot more

1404
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: They're like, they're like military units right during the invasion

1405
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: of Poland, and their task is much more ambitious. Hitler

1406
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: didn't just one undesirable and political enemies rounded up. Hitler

1407
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: hated the idea that Poland would be a nation. The

1408
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: concept of Poland as a country was repellent to Hitler

1409
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: in the Nazis, and he had just inked a secret

1410
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: deal with Stalin to split Poland up after the invasion,

1411
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: and he needed to kill any conception of Polish identity

1412
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: and the Poland that he was going to conquer. He

1413
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: needed to destroy any any sense that Polish culture existed. Right,

1414
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: So before the invasion, Hitler tells Hydrick that his job

1415
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: is to organize his Innsets group and to exterminate entire

1416
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: classes of Polish societies, specifically the classes that were, in

1417
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: Hitler's words, quote carriers of Polish nationalism. And he means

1418
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: carriers isn't like carriers of a virus. Carriers is of

1419
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: a disease. That's very much how Hitler frames this, and

1420
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: that's very much how he talks about the Jews to

1421
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: they're a plague. Bacillus is the literal term he uses. Yeah,

1422
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that's he's uh, he's just trying

1423
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: to he's trying to get rid of any other ideological

1424
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: virus and German nationalism. Now, before the invasion, Hitler's men

1425
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: created a mass or Hydrick's men, I should say, created

1426
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 1: a massive index card library of sixty one thousand people

1427
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: who they would have to arrest and in most cases

1428
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: execute immediately upon taking over Poland from Hitler's Hangman quote.

1429
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: In mid August, at a conference in Berlin, leading members

1430
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: of the Einsets Group and received further oral instructions from

1431
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: Hydric and Best, instructions which even by Hydric standards were

1432
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: quote extraordinarily radical, and which included a quote liquidation order

1433
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,839
Speaker 1: for various circles of the Polish leadership, affecting thousands. According

1434
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 1: to post war trial testimonies of leading Task Force officers

1435
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: present that day, Hydroc opened the meeting by conforming the

1436
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: men of the atrocities being committed against ethnic Germans in

1437
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: Poland's noting that he expected heavy partisan resistance against the

1438
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: German invasion. It was the responsibility of the Einsetz group

1439
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: and to neutralize these threats, particularly those posed by saboteurs,

1440
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: partisans Jews in the Polish intelligencia, an area is conquered

1441
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: by the German army and to punish individuals who had

1442
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: committed crimes against Poland's ethnic Germans in the preceding weeks.

1443
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: Although carefully guarded in his language, Hydroc consisted that in

1444
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: carrying out their difficult tasks, quote everything was allowed free

1445
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: for all. Is goddamn Nazias murder, free for all. This

1446
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: is when the real Nazi ship starts. This is when

1447
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: the Nazis truly distinguished themselves as worse than the other

1448
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: hell regimes that existed in this period. This is the

1449
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: start of the not just being a dictatorship, not just

1450
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: being you know, fascist or whatever. This is the start

1451
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: of them being the fucking Nazis. We could do a

1452
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: whole series of episodes on German war crimes during the

1453
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: invasion of Poland, um to focus just on one group

1454
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: of Hydrick's men. A single Ironsets group, a unit near

1455
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: the demarcation line for Soviet Poland, was tasked by Hydrick

1456
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: with inducing Jews to flee into Russian territory. Right, we

1457
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: want them to go into what the Russians are going

1458
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 1: to control so we don't have to deal with them.

1459
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: They did this by going on a mass killing spree

1460
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: which included burning down a synagogue filled with Jewish women

1461
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,520
Speaker 1: and children and massacring roughly five hundred people in mass shootings,

1462
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: and one week in September, members of Ironsetz group of

1463
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: four killed roughly dred Polish civilians. Now, while Hydrick's men

1464
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 1: massacred thousands, he followed behind them and ensured the job

1465
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: was done properly. He remained concerned about destruction of valuable

1466
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: property and repeatedly investigated and punished s means suspected of

1467
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: stealing from Jewish own shops while they were burning down

1468
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 1: synagogues filled with people. Yeah, you wouldn't want them to

1469
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: commit any crimes because you don't want the property crimes.

1470
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: That's the problem is property, with the right wingers loving

1471
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: fucking property more than people. Is it you burnt down?

1472
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: All of the targets was the economy? M So a

1473
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: truly accurate catalog of just hydricks crimes up to this

1474
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: point would go far beyond the time we have to

1475
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: discuss him. Books have been written about just the conquest

1476
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: of Poland and the crimes in its wake. Right, more

1477
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: books will be written in the future. I'm afraid we're

1478
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: going to have to YadA YadA a lot of other

1479
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: crimes against humanity. Just to move along here now, I'm

1480
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: sure you all know the broad basics of the war.

1481
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: From this point on. The Nazis conquered Poland, they conquered

1482
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,839
Speaker 1: the Netherlands, France, they conquer a bunch of places in Europe.

1483
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: They bombed the ship out of Britain. Things are going

1484
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: great for the Nazis. Hydrick continued to direct his forces

1485
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: to end up Jewish property as well as political enemies.

1486
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: And his job is in all of these places, arrest

1487
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: political enemies, take Jewish property, catalog all the Jews and

1488
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: the territory. They're not yet putting them in camps. They're

1489
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: not yet. The death camps don't exist yet, um, but

1490
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 1: they're there. They're they're laying the ground for that. Although

1491
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: that said, even in nineteen forty, it was not a

1492
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: foregone conclusion that there would be death camps. Because in

1493
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: nineteen forty Hydric becomes the head of what is called

1494
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: the Madagascar Plan, which is an ultimately abandoned attempt to

1495
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: take the now millions of Jews and conquered territories and

1496
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: relocate them off the coast of Africa. This had existed

1497
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: prior to the Nazis. Racists had been talking about pushing

1498
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: forcing all the Jews in the Madagascar for a while.

1499
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: And Hydric again, I think there's people who will argue like, oh,

1500
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: he always wanted to do the death camps. The Madagascar

1501
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: plan was just sort of like am for show. He

1502
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: puts a lot of effort into trying to plan this out.

1503
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 1: He spends a lot of time thinking how this will work,

1504
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: trying to organize it. I don't think I think this

1505
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: was something they thought they might be able to do

1506
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: for a certain point. And it's important to understand, like

1507
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: this is a process of gen getting yourself ready for genocide, right,

1508
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: even the genocide committers have to amp themselves up. It's

1509
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a series of steps. It's zero to genocide, right,

1510
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: That never happens. There's always a ramping up period. Yeah,

1511
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: And it's like with these guys especially, it's like the

1512
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing was going too slowly for them, and they

1513
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: were just ramping up and ramping up all to this

1514
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: end conclusion. Yes. Um. Now, during the same time, Hydrock

1515
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: trains as a fighter pilot. He wants to get in

1516
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: his combat time, right. He missed a chance to fight

1517
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: in World War One. Um, So he becomes a fighter pilot.

1518
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: He flies like twenty combat missions. He's a gunner. Actually,

1519
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: he's not really a pilot. He doesn't like work as

1520
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: a pilot. He's a gunner. Um. And he flies some

1521
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: missions that are non combat over England with like a

1522
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: spy plane. Um. And this is a matter of vanity again.

1523
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: He wants to he wants to have done his time

1524
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: as a soldier for the Reich so that he can

1525
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: stand up proud. And his time as a pilot kind

1526
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: of comes to an end because his plane has a

1527
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: landing accident and he hurts his wrist and he gets

1528
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: an iron cross and then goes back to his desk job. Um. Now.

1529
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: On the domestic front, hydris marriage to his wife is

1530
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: consistently rocky from the late thirties forward, mainly due to

1531
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 1: the fact that he cheated on her fucking constantly. It

1532
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: was such a workaholic that she was basically abandoned with

1533
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: her children. After the war, Lena would admit that there

1534
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: were quote always other women in my marriage, and that

1535
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: Reinhard would go after anything in a skirt. Now, at

1536
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: one point one of his subordinates, a guy named Shellenberg,

1537
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: started having an affair with Lena, with Reinhardt's wife. Now,

1538
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: she denies that. She claims they never fucked, that she

1539
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: was just kind of playing around with this guy to

1540
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: make her has been jealous because he was cheating on

1541
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: her with Furio. There's a lay exactly some soprano ship

1542
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: a bay over this. There's one possibly true story that

1543
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: they were fucking each other. And Hydrock found out about this,

1544
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: and so he takes Shellenberg out drinking and in the

1545
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: middle of this like night drinking and talking. In mid conversation,

1546
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: Hydric's like, I just poisoned you, by the way, and

1547
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: I'll give you the antidote if you'll tell me what

1548
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: you've been doing with my wife. Um. And according to

1549
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: this story, Shellenberg admits that he's been sucking around. He

1550
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: promises to end the relationship, and Hydric gives him the antidote. Umh,

1551
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: we actually did poison him. That wasn't just maybe, I mean,

1552
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: we can't. I I don't know, you know, I think

1553
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: Shellenberg tells this story. Also, Shellenberg survives the war and

1554
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: has sevested interest in making hydroc seem even first because

1555
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: he's trying because it makes him seem less bad by comparison,

1556
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: you know. And also it's very embarrassing if he was

1557
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: like I was just I was kidding. Of course, I

1558
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: don't have any fucking poison and an antidote, right, Yeah,

1559
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: and then that would have been a fake antidote to

1560
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: who knows. It would make him feel very stupid if

1561
01:24:54,600 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: he fell for that. Yeah. So on June tw Nazis

1562
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: commenced their invasion of the uss Are. This is Operation Barbarossa,

1563
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: the largest war thing that has ever happened in the

1564
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: history of the human race. Um. Just impossible to overstate,

1565
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: Like every war the US has ever fought would fit

1566
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: into the Eastern Front battle between Germany and Russia, with

1567
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 1: a lot of space left over for dead people. Um.

1568
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: Now within this territory. Uh. And again the initial that

1569
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: the Nazis are wildly successful. They conquer more territory faster

1570
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: than anyone ever has, and they take hundreds of thousands

1571
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: of military prisoners, and they bring in millions of new

1572
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: citizens into their their greater German Reich or whatever, I

1573
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: don't know, citizens is not the right thing to call them.

1574
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: There's but in addition to all these people, they get

1575
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: millions of new Jewish residents, to add to the several

1576
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: million already brought in by Germany's other conquests. Now, even

1577
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: hydricks well oiled immigration machine could not handle this many people.

1578
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: And also, because they're conquering everything, where else are the

1579
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: Jews gonna go? You know? Um? So this was you

1580
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: know again, no one else is willing to absorb them,

1581
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: the Nazis ki conquering stuff that they have this real problem, um,

1582
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: And this problem becomes and this is where we get

1583
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: to the kind of complicity of the German leadership. Because

1584
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: again a lot of people will say, there's nothing that

1585
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: directly connects Hitler to giving the orders for the Holocaust.

1586
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:24,759
Speaker 1: Right now, that said, you can see where the orders

1587
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: came from. Because Hitler and Guring have a conversation right

1588
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 1: around the time the Germans invade Russia about the Jewish question,

1589
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: about all these Jews they're capturing, And in July thirty one,

1590
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: Herman Gerring writes a note to Reinhard Heydrich and orders

1591
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: him to quote submit to me as soon as possible

1592
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: a general plan of the administrative, material and financial measures

1593
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: necessary for carrying out the desired final solution of the

1594
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: Jewish question. And Hitler absolutely ordered him to do this.

1595
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: That's like or it came about as a result of

1596
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: the conversation. Hitler definitely wanted the genocide to happen at

1597
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: this point. Um. The thing on paper we have is

1598
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: you have Gearing tells Hydric to start figuring this ship out. Yes,

1599
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: and Hydric his you know this is again they still

1600
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: don't jump right to death camps Um, because there's again

1601
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 1: a process of figuring out how this is gonna look. Now,

1602
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: the process of genocide, now that they're committed to genocide,

1603
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: starts with simple extensions of what Hydric had already done before.

1604
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: The Einsts group had been enlarged significantly for the invasion

1605
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: of Russia, and in the wake of the inasial and

1606
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 1: initial invasion, they're killing political enemies, they're killing commissars Um,

1607
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: but they're also they start massacring Jews, and in fact

1608
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: they start carrying out mass shootings on a scale never

1609
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: equaled before or since in human history. These are the

1610
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: biggest mass shootings of civilians probably that there will ever

1611
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: be we we fucking hope. The first of these shootings

1612
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: is the Bobby Yard massacre, in which thirty three thousand,

1613
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy one Jewish civilians were shot to

1614
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,799
Speaker 1: death and ravine outside of Kiev in two days. Bobby

1615
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: Are was followed by the Odessa massacre later the same year,

1616
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 1: in which more than fifty thousand Jews were shot to

1617
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: death and again roughly two days. There were hundreds of

1618
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: other smaller massacres, from a couple of dozen people to

1619
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: a thousands of people, and a lot of the killing

1620
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: is also it's not just shooting. Shooting is probably the

1621
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: biggest death toll here, but they are also killing people

1622
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: with mobile gas fans, which they had developed initially to

1623
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: execute the mentally handicapped. Now at least one and a

1624
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: half million people and perhaps as many as two million

1625
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: Holocaust victims were killed this way, just being gunned down

1626
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 1: or gassed in small vans um by numbers of people. Now,

1627
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: this is still too slow for the number of Jews

1628
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: that there and other undesirables that the Nazis are acquiring

1629
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: in their conquests, and worse than being slow, it's bad

1630
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: for the men doing it. The Germans have limited manpower,

1631
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: they have limited ammunition, um and they find that. You know,

1632
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: Hydra had called his as ideological shock troops, right, he'd

1633
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: made a big deal about how hard we have to be,

1634
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: how willing to do terrible things we have to be

1635
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: in order to save the Reich. But these guys, the

1636
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: hardest and worst of the Nazis, couldn't handle the mental

1637
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: strain of what they were doing. They're traumatic for them,

1638
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: which is they are. There are stories of them skeet

1639
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: shooting babies by the dozen, and it it destroys these people.

1640
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: The suicide is rampant alcoholism becomes endemic to the einsets

1641
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: group of men. It creates a problem with morale, a

1642
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: problem with orderliness, and it's a problem for the r mocked.

1643
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: The guys not doing the killing are aware of it,

1644
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: and they have there are we the baddies moments in

1645
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: a lot of cases like oh boy, you know what,

1646
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem good. I've always like imagined killing babies

1647
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 1: is being a bad guy thing. Yeah, but it sounds

1648
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: like not a defensive maneuver. Yeah, I mean, I guess

1649
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: I get it. Excuse me, all, but Stumban fura, what

1650
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: is the self defense motive for shooting babies with a

1651
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: shotgun after throwing them in the air, And you at

1652
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: least lie to me and says the baby is actually

1653
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: a time bomb robot. It would make me feel better.

1654
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: And again, these guys feel bad. It breaks a lot

1655
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: of them. It's bad from a raw Almost none of

1656
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: them stopped being Nazis. Yeah, they all keep fighting for

1657
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: the Reich, even though they're aware of it. There's a

1658
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: big myth of the clean r marckt of the fact

1659
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: that most Nazi soldiers, you know, they fought well and

1660
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: they didn't really know what was going on. They fucking did.

1661
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: Every one of them at least new enough to the

1662
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: numbers alone indicate that, like just a huge portion of

1663
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: them had to have been involved directly in these atrocities. Yes, um,

1664
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: And like, yes, obviously a lot of the Vermacht was

1665
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: involved directly in atrocities, more than any other individual military

1666
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: on a per capita basis in the war, other than

1667
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,759
Speaker 1: maybe the Japanese UM. But also they were all aware,

1668
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: broadly speaking of what was being done in their name, um.

1669
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: And there were some of them who spoke out. There

1670
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: were some of them whom who went a wall you know. Um,

1671
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: and good good on those very few dudes. Yeah, thank you,

1672
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: all three of you. Yeah, not a lot of them,

1673
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: but some of them did. And and yeah I'll tip

1674
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: my hat to those fellows because of how few fucking

1675
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:46,839
Speaker 1: did it. Now. Yeah, Um, so again this becomes a problem.

1676
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: It's bad for the s s. They need a better

1677
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: solution to the final solution. And on January nineteen forty two,

1678
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,839
Speaker 1: Ryanhard Hydrick convenes a third meeting of top Nazi officials

1679
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: from across the Reich. This meeting was held at a mansion,

1680
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: a mansion that had been confiscated by a Jewish businessman

1681
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: in a suburb of Berlin called von Say. Um, you

1682
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: can go to the Vance House today. I've I've been there. Um,

1683
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: you can see if there's a very good museum there.

1684
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: The actual houses used in the movie we discussed at

1685
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,799
Speaker 1: the start of this conspiracy, which is basically based directly

1686
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: on the minutes of the meeting. They have to plan

1687
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: the final solution. Um. I'm going to quote from a

1688
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: summary of that meeting in history dot com. Quote. The

1689
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: agenda was simple and focused to devise a plan that

1690
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: would render a final solution to the Jewish question in Europe,

1691
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:40,520
Speaker 1: Various gruesome proposals were discussed, including mass sterilization and deportation

1692
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: to the island of Madagascar. Hydrick proposed simply transporting Jews

1693
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: from every corner of Europe to concentration camps in Poland

1694
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: and working them to death. Objections to this plan included

1695
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: the belief that this was simply too time consuming. What

1696
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 1: about the strong ones who took longer to die, What

1697
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,919
Speaker 1: about the millions of Jews who were already in Poland.

1698
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,799
Speaker 1: Although the word extermination was never uttered during the meeting,

1699
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: the implication was clear. Anyone who survived the egregious conditions

1700
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 1: of a work camp would be treated accordingly. Months later,

1701
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 1: the gas vans in Helmo, Poland, which were killing a

1702
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: thousand people a day, proved to be the solution. They

1703
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: were looking for the most efficient means of killing large

1704
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: groups of people at a time, and the rest is

1705
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: unfortunately history. The Vans conference led directly to the creation

1706
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: of death camps, which exterminated some four million Jews and

1707
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: five million other undesirables. These were, and still are today,

1708
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: the fastest and most cost effective method of genocide ever developed.

1709
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 1: Reinhard Hydric gets rightful credit as architect of the Holocaust,

1710
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: but the vast majority of people killed in the death

1711
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 1: camps died after he died. He would not live to

1712
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: see what he brought into being. And I'm gonna quote

1713
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: from a write up by the United States Holocaust Museum

1714
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: here to explain why Hydric gets taken out of the picture.

1715
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 1: After the invasion of the Soviet Union spurred a previously

1716
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 1: dormant communist resistance move meant in Bohemia and Moravia Czechoslovakia

1717
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: into acts of sabotage, Hitler dismissed reich Protector Constantine von

1718
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Neuroth and An appointed Hydric acting Reich Protector in September

1719
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one. Hydric first ordered a narrow wave of

1720
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: terror targeting real and perceived leaders of the opposition in

1721
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 1: Czech Lands. In October and November nineteen forty one, Protector

1722
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: at Special Courts sinence three hundred and forty two people

1723
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: to death and turned twelve hundred and eighty nine over

1724
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: to the Gestapo. Hydric also established the Teresan Stack Camp

1725
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: ghetto in November. Under his rule, fourteen thousand Germans and

1726
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Austrian Jews and more than twenty thousand check Jews were

1727
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: deported from Theresan stat to the Lord's Ghetto, to the

1728
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Government General in Poland into the Reich Commissary at Austland,

1729
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 1: which is where they were exterminated. Hydric Is, acting Reich Protector,

1730
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,759
Speaker 1: then corded Czech industrial workers and farmers whose productive capacity

1731
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: was necessary to the German war effort, with wages and

1732
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: benefits packages equivalent to those of their German counterparts. The

1733
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: result of his policies was a seventy three percent reduction

1734
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: and acts of sabotage within six months. By spring of

1735
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: nineteen forty two, German authorities could boost of a pacification

1736
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: of the Protectorate. Some have speculated that Hydric aim next

1737
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: to assume a newly created top civilian position and occupied

1738
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: northern France and Belgium, but he never got the chance

1739
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 1: to do this. The Allies were well aware of Reinhard

1740
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: hydrick Um and they needed a win, right two not

1741
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: a great time for the Allies. There's some early signs

1742
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: that the Nazi ship is going to turn around for them,

1743
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: but they're not winning at that point um now. The

1744
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: so the British train and equip a two man cheam

1745
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: of team of Check soldiers because Check has a government

1746
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Czecho Slovakia has a government in exile, right, they have

1747
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: soldiers who flee the company in the country, and the

1748
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: British government trains two of these guys up and air

1749
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: drops them into Hydrick's territory. They ambush him during his

1750
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: daily commute home from work, but one man's machine gun jams, right,

1751
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 1: so they try to shoot him. Their gun jams Hydrick,

1752
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: who's driving in an open topped vehicle very stupidly Um

1753
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 1: sees that their gun has jammed, and again, think about

1754
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 1: everything about this guy. He's desperate to prove himself as

1755
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: a warrior, right, so his driver wants to drive the

1756
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: funk away right, get out of there, get his boss

1757
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: to safety. Hidrick has his driver stop. He pulls out

1758
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: his handgun and he attempts to attack both assassins. One

1759
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: of them throws a grenade as he's trying to do

1760
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: his hero ship and it fucks reinhard right up. He

1761
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: gets horribly wounded. He's a vacuated hospital. Um. His wound

1762
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: turns septic and he spent seven days in in the hospital,

1763
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: slowly ding like really the only of the really bad

1764
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: Nazis who gets exactly the death he deserves, his body rotting,

1765
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 1: they pull his spleen out of him, like yeah, all

1766
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: death because he was a fucking idiot, and like, oh,

1767
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking shoot these guys when keeping it real

1768
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: goes wrong. Yeah. It's believed, although not certain, that the

1769
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: reason his wounds got infected and he died was because

1770
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 1: the upholstery in his his car was made out of horsehair,

1771
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: and the horse hair gets forced to do his wound

1772
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,839
Speaker 1: by a grenade blast and it gets him. It causes

1773
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: a deadly infection. Very funny. Yeah, it was either that

1774
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: or he spend too much time around the you know

1775
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: the Germans who are going to the horhouse who like

1776
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: to eat the doodoo v D and his gut wound exactly, dude,

1777
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:33,480
Speaker 1: you know it's one of the other I love it. Publicly,

1778
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: the whole Reich mourns, and actually his funeral is one

1779
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: of the last really mass public events that the whole

1780
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Nazi leadership attends because right the war doesn't go so

1781
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: well for them after this point, he's mourned as a

1782
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 1: hero of Germany. Privately, though Hitler thought him a fool

1783
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: for throwing away his life for a chance to look heroic,

1784
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,839
Speaker 1: saying such heroic gestures as driving in an open unarmored

1785
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: vehicle or walking about the streets unguarded are just damn

1786
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: stupidity which serves the country. Not one wit you shouldn't

1787
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,759
Speaker 1: have done. See me, I'm going to just shoot myself

1788
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 1: in the head as soon as we're surrounded by the

1789
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: Red Army. Yeah, solid, solid shade Hitler, cradical support to Hitler,

1790
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: for Queen Hitler. Why why can't he be smart and

1791
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: die cowardly like I like me after I shoot my

1792
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 1: dog and poison my wife, or die heroically like Joseph,

1793
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: like Joseph Gerbel's grenading his children to death like a

1794
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: hero of the Reich. Why did he do it with

1795
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,759
Speaker 1: the grenade? I don't know. It was all he had.

1796
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: It was just like you kill your children now, Yes,

1797
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 1: when you have so many children, a grenade is just efficient.

1798
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I think they actually poison them. Whatever fuck it I needed? Well,

1799
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: we watched Downfall, the documentary, So yeah, both assassins are

1800
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: caught and executed, and the Nazis carry out a horrific

1801
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: series of reprisal prop populations. Actually, the check underground in

1802
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 1: this period and argued strenuously against assassinating Hydric because they

1803
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: knew it would lead to them being wiped out. And

1804
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 1: they are. They're just annihilated as a result of this,

1805
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: as are a lot of people not even involved in

1806
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: the underground. The village of Lettuce, which was falsely implicated

1807
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: in sheltering the assassins, paid the brunt of the price.

1808
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: All one d ninety nine men in the village are executed,

1809
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:24,719
Speaker 1: women are sent to a concentration camp. Eighty one children

1810
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: are gassed to death, and the remainder are sent out

1811
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: to other families. We don't really know. The surviving women

1812
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: of Lettuce go back to the destroyed side of the

1813
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: village and it's been the rest of their lives waiting

1814
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 1: for their children to come home. And I never do. Um. Oh,

1815
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: it's it's fucking heartbreaking. Um. The check village of Lezaki

1816
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 1: was also destroyed because the radio transmitter belonging to Partisans

1817
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 1: was found there. Across the territory, more than thirteen thousand

1818
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: people are arrested and roughly five thousand people are murdered

1819
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: in reprisals for Reinhard's assassination. Um. And that's more or

1820
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: less the end of the story of Reinhard hydric A

1821
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 1: be a piece of ship. Oh man, So I gotta say,

1822
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:09,480
Speaker 1: you're right. He is a bastard. He really sucks. He's

1823
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: so bad. He is not a good guy, not chill.

1824
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: In fact, he is sketch. And I do not appreciate it.

1825
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: If you're making a short list of like guys for

1826
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 1: the that you're nominating for the title of like worst

1827
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: person in history, he's got to be in the running.

1828
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah he's Yeah, he's not top five, he's definitely top ten.

1829
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: Like he's up there with Hitler, because again, without a

1830
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 1: guy like Reinhard, I don't know that Hitler is at

1831
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: least able to carry out the Holocaust in the same way,

1832
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: because you need the implementation man. Yeah, yeah, you need

1833
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 1: the guy who's able to engineer the whole thing. You know,

1834
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 1: you gotta get someone to execute it. And there's the

1835
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 1: peanut butter. Heydrick is the jelly exactly. The other lying

1836
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: centuries of anti Semitism are the white bread, and he

1837
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 1: needs all of it to make your Holocaust peb and j. Yeah,

1838
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:06,759
Speaker 1: this is why I'm allergic to peanut butter. Yes, because

1839
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm Jewish. All Jews a peanut butter right, yes, yes,

1840
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: the most anti Semitic sandwich is of course the P

1841
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: and J. We've all been saying that for years. Oh man,

1842
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 1: that is uh, yeah, he's he's a bad dude, and

1843
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 1: uh and I don't like him. And I think that's

1844
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: the point of this podcast is to find more people

1845
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 1: who I'm like. I don't like him, you know, because

1846
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I like most people, but not that guy. That guy,

1847
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that Hardy. It's rad that he died

1848
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: in horrible pain, seventy days sepsis. He's he's literally the

1849
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 1: one Nazi who gets what he deserves. Terrific lingering death

1850
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: caused that. And then and he's you know, he's thinking

1851
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: the whole time. Shit, if I just drove it, driven away,

1852
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: i'd have I'd have avoided all of this agony. Yeah, yeah,

1853
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad he got to think about his death as

1854
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 1: he really did. Like, fuck you reinhard Hydric, you piece

1855
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 1: of fucking trash. I'm glad your death was horrible. It

1856
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: is okay to luxuriate in the nightmarish agony of the

1857
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 1: architect of the fucking Holocaust. There should be a seven

1858
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: day celebration all over the world. We should celebrate the

1859
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 1: day he got shot by this check part of a

1860
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Hard Hydrick started dying today, we should have seven

1861
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 1: days of gifts and dances. We think painful sepsis is

1862
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 1: everyone fucking just like marking in the streets. He is

1863
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 1: the closest to the pure embodiment of human evil. I

1864
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 1: think it's it's like he's he's like Leopold of Belgium.

1865
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:46,560
Speaker 1: He's that kind of monster which are the worst to me.

1866
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways, he's worse than

1867
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 1: a guy like Hitler. Um because again Hitler, if there

1868
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 1: had been resistance to Hitler, if there had been a

1869
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 1: solid block of conservatives who are like, we're gonna have

1870
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: Hitler be empowered, but we're not going to let him

1871
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: do this in this and we're gonna organ as the military,

1872
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 1: We're going to make sure which was a thing that

1873
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: was happening, there was a chance that that would happen.

1874
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 1: Hitler could have been a quasi dictator for five or ten,

1875
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and then like which happened in other countries,

1876
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: right which happened, he could have been like Franco. That

1877
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: was not necessarily impossible. If there's the way he was

1878
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: a pragmatist. He would have preferred that to being forced

1879
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: out of power or assassinated. If that had been like that,

1880
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 1: that was not an impossible thing. From the beginning, Ryan

1881
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 1: hard Heydrick is Um, I don't know, he's he He

1882
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 1: might be worse. He might be worse than Big Age,

1883
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Speaker 1: you know what, dude, Well, you know, and at the

1884
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Speaker 1: end of the day, he got what he always wanted,

1885
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Speaker 1: which was a really big gold star on his report card.

1886
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Speaker 1: You know, he got he got to be bigger than Hitler's.

1887
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean not, you know, in a way

1888
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Speaker 1: that most people know you there's no point. Really, it's

1889
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: stupid to be like, well, who was a worse person?

1890
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: Like they're all like, it doesn't doesn't matter, they're all

1891
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: a's such a level of human evil. Trying to parse

1892
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: out differences between them is is silly. Um. But but

1893
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: he is I what I should the way I should

1894
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: frame is not that like, oh, I think he's worse

1895
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 1: than Hitler. He is the Nazi I find most personally offensive. Yeah,

1896
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Speaker 1: and frightening. He's the one who's scariest to me, especially

1897
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 1: because like if you now, I haven't seen a picture

1898
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Speaker 1: of him yet and so this whole time, I'm just looking,

1899
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm picturing yeah, blonde ken brauna, and it's like part

1900
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Speaker 1: of what's pissing me off about him mostly is just

1901
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 1: this like this fucking Zack Morris looking motherfucker committing the

1902
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: worst atrocities and executing atrocities, going above and beyond beyond

1903
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: Hitler even to like execute these mass you know, this

1904
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: mass genocide, the Holocaust and U and just yeah, just

1905
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 1: like I this is why I hate hot people, you know,

1906
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 1: anyone who's attractive. Yeah, I wouldn't call him. He's definitely

1907
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: not as good looking as Kenneth Branda, but he is

1908
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: the most like Aryan looking of the Nazi leadership for sure. Yeah.

1909
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm looking him up right now. You're gonna

1910
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Speaker 1: look him up. I was just gonna send you that

1911
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Speaker 1: in the chat. Yeah, No, he's he's not. You're right,

1912
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Speaker 1: he's not that hot, but he's not hot, but he is.

1913
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Speaker 1: He is, Like, he's blonde haired, blue eyed, he's got

1914
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Speaker 1: and he's tall, he's in very good shape. He's an athlete.

1915
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Speaker 1: You know, he's the most Nazi looking motherfucker I think

1916
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. He really is the most Nazi looking

1917
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Speaker 1: of the of the of the high up nazis, right, Girbels.

1918
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: You look at gering Um, you look at fucking um Hess,

1919
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 1: you look at um Hitler, you look at Himler. Yeah.

1920
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Speaker 1: Ryan Hard is the one who looks like they say,

1921
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Speaker 1: an arian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's the one. He's the

1922
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Speaker 1: one that they all draw when they're trying to be like,

1923
01:45:56,680 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 1: this is my perfect man. Okay, he's just superman. He's

1924
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 1: very tall, blonde, blue eyes, very sharp cheekbones, he's got

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Speaker 1: naked more yeah yeah, yeah, and I'm not so obviously

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Speaker 1: like Kenneth Brannah. One of the criticisms. Actually, the first

1927
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: time I watched Conspiracy, so I dropped out of college

1928
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: obviously because fun that. But the last two years or

1929
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,600
Speaker 1: so I was in college most of my classes and

1930
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 1: the thing that I was thinking I might get when

1931
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: I thought I might get a degree was UTD offered

1932
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,720
Speaker 1: like a Holocaust studies program, and there's a series of

1933
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 1: classes on Holocaust and remembrance that I took, which is

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Speaker 1: where I watched Conspiracy. And like one of the criticisms

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Speaker 1: that people have of that movie, it's a very good

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Speaker 1: and I think very accurate depiction of how the Vance

1937
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Speaker 1: conference was handled right. It does a very good job

1938
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Speaker 1: of laying out the way these people talked, the way

1939
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: they actually in the way that you see the way

1940
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: the thing we talked about repeatedly in this episode, the

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01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 1: way Hydrick orchestrates gets people on board, the way he

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01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: whips support between different agencies to make them do what

1943
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: he wants. You see that in the movie. I think

1944
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: they do a good job of it. Um, they make

1945
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: him hot, which you know, Kenneth Brann is a very

1946
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 1: good actor, and I think he very ably plays at

1947
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: the evil but also you cast Kenneth Branna, he can't

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01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 1: not be hot. He's Kenneth Branna. He's he's hot. He's

1949
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 1: fucking hot as hell. Um. But people criticize it because

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01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 1: they're like, why are you going to make him to

1951
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 1: make him hot? Which I think that's a fair casting though,

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01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:31,160
Speaker 1: especially given the fact that, like this was one of

1953
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: the reasons that he rose up so high. Yeah, well

1954
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 1: it is, it is. I think there's an argument to

1955
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: him made that, like, well, Nazis saw him as good

1956
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 1: looking because he looked like a Nazi. Yeah, he was

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01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 1: like a you know, front facing Nazi guy, someone you

1958
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: could like point to and go this is this is

1959
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: what we look like. In Hollywood. People are always better looking,

1960
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 1: So you've got to have the Nazist looking guy in

1961
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 1: the Hollywood movie be extra and Kenneth Branna looks like

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01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: a fucking Hollywood Nazi. And yeah, I think it was good.

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01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 1: Casting is my my fame. It's a controversial movie again

1964
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:07,719
Speaker 1: from people who are Holocaust nerds, which is a horrible

1965
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 1: way to describe it. But no, but there are Holocaust

1966
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,560
Speaker 1: nerds out there are Holocaust Yeah, and I am on

1967
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: the side of I think it's and it's a movie

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01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I show people when we went to Saxonhausen. Um, it

1969
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: was me and a group my my, my partner at

1970
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,760
Speaker 1: the time and like some Australian kids that we met

1971
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: while just like chilling out and getting wasted in Berlin together.

1972
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 1: We all went together and we watched Conspiracy afterwards. Um

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01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 1: it's a good movie to watch too. Um. Uh, yeah,

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01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I I recommend it to people again.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's some controversies around it. It's very good.

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Speaker 1: It's very good, and it's also uh and this is

1977
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 1: not so much a historical note. Uh, it's a great

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01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 1: example of a movie uh that can be compelling and

1979
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: only be in two or three different settings. Like most

1980
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 1: of it takes place in a meeting and a meeting,

1981
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 1: and they ever leave the grounds of this fucking house.

1982
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: No they don't. Yeah, there's like a scene in the bathroom,

1983
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: there's a scene in the hall, and most of it

1984
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 1: is in this meeting room. And it's very compelling. And

1985
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 1: also it shows the I think the banality of evil

1986
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: is like a perfect you know, like that's that's what

1987
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Speaker 1: especially Aikman's portrayal by I think that Stanley Tucci, who

1988
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 1: was just like, yes, oh, he's so good in this

1989
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,560
Speaker 1: Stanley Tucci, who plays Aikman in that Yeah. Yeah, And

1990
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Speaker 1: and he's like, uh, you know, he's basically doing notes,

1991
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 1: he's taking it out, he's taking notes, and the fact

1992
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Speaker 1: that he's taking notes enables the slaughter of eleven million people, right,

1993
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 1: Like his notes are a key aspect of the machinery

1994
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Speaker 1: of death. Um, which is what the case was, right,

1995
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 1: that's that's that is Aikman, that is who he was. UM.

1996
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Speaker 1: And there's this um there's a wonderful scene in the

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Speaker 1: movie where they're all quibbly because a lot of people

1998
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 1: this was a real problem. Again, we talked about her.

1999
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: There's different chunks of the Nazis. They have different arguments. Uh.

2000
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: Some of the guys who had written the Nuremberg Laws

2001
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:02,600
Speaker 1: are angry because Hydric is basically throwing out the restrictions

2002
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: on the Nuremberg Laws because he doesn't think they go

2003
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 1: far enough. And they're arguing about like this isn't legal,

2004
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 1: you're going outside the downs of the law. And there's

2005
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 1: a moment where Hydrick, I think its asks raise your

2006
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: hand if you're a lawyer, and everyone in the room

2007
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 1: raises their hands, which are almost all of these guys

2008
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: were fucking lawyers. Yeah, it's yeah, and and you know

2009
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 1: it's like I remember that specifically when we were talking

2010
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Speaker 1: about the Nuremberg Laws and like Kenneth Braun as you know,

2011
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: changing of them. I'm just gonna call uh Reinhardt Hydrick

2012
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Speaker 1: Branda boy. Uh No. It's like, you know, kind of

2013
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 1: like just going, hey, let's stop quibbling over how much

2014
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,599
Speaker 1: blood if you have any blood, like he went one

2015
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 1: drop rule and that that always stuck out to me

2016
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: is like kind of like uh you know that that

2017
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 1: in the end was like, yeah, this is about ethnicity.

2018
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 1: Let's stop pretending this is about religion. Let's stop pretending

2019
01:50:57,160 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 1: this is about Christ in any fashion, like this is

2020
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: about d n A racial makeup and and just it's

2021
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: totally fake race pseudo science. Yeah, anyways, you know again

2022
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:17,759
Speaker 1: he pluggables to plug. No time to plug your plug doubles,

2023
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:21,479
Speaker 1: like discussing the machinery that was built in order to

2024
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Speaker 1: enable the fastest mass extermination of an ethnic group in history. Yeah, yeah,

2025
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Speaker 1: you know. I always like to plug my podcasts about

2026
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Speaker 1: the Sopranos right after talking about the Holocaust. Think about

2027
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Speaker 1: those rooms filled with human hair and empty shoes. And

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Speaker 1: check out this podcast. Check out this great podcast in

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Speaker 1: which we rewatch Sopranos and talk about it with wonderful guests. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's called Pod Yourself a Gun. Uh, and season five

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Speaker 1: podcast and the Fraud Cast, uh, which is the same

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Speaker 1: So check that out and follow me at Matt leave

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