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Speaker 2: We're not exactly sure what this book is about, so

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Speaker 1: With that saga who put on the left turn signal there, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's great to see you guys.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you. That voice is just so soothing.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, read me a bedtime story, Actually, read

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Speaker 2: maca bedtime story. Ladies and gentlemen, Hey, before we get started,

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Speaker 2: and before I fuck up the title of your book, Anal,

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Speaker 3: No, it's Annals Animals.

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Speaker 2: Okay? If I did a left turn, what was that

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Speaker 1: The book covers the history of the NFL, say have

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Speaker 2: And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we make our guests

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Speaker 1: Do you realize that I was doing sports when you

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've been doing this for over forty years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the date you started? We're getting warmer.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how. I don't think I could

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Speaker 1: have done it the way you you have done it.

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Speaker 1: You two have done it. From the standpoint of there's

436
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Speaker 1: so much criticism out there, there's so many people coming

437
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Speaker 1: after you. There's I mean, I didn't have that and

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Speaker 1: the kind of the sweet spot of my career. There

439
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Speaker 1: was no social media on Sports Center, right, we were

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Speaker 1: just able to do imagine.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, you guys wouldn't have cared. You wouldn't have cared.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you would have. I don't think it

443
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Speaker 2: would have altered how you would have done it. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's a story forty five Christy, you're what

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Speaker 2: forty one? Yeah? Whatever, great, Well maybabe, But here's something Dan,

446
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: we're having fun right, and at Fox we have fun

447
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: and we had openly said, which got some attention Taylor Swift,

448
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Speaker 2: you should date Travis kelt We both love Travis Kelce.

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Speaker 2: We've been open with that. I can be very open

450
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Speaker 2: that he's good looking, he smells great because my husband

451
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Speaker 2: thinks he's good looking and he smells great. Carissa got

452
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Speaker 2: a phone call from somebody in the industry that said

453
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Speaker 2: to her, you really shouldn't say that about athletes because

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Speaker 2: you know, you just don't What what are we saying?

455
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Speaker 2: And by the way, we're both basically married. I mean

456
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Speaker 2: Chris is basically married. I have a kid, like you're fine,

457
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Speaker 2: we can have fun with Shita the athletes.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait, hold Onsa Bury the lead.

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Speaker 2: Yes what, I'm not married again. I told you I

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Speaker 2: would never be married again. I love him and I

461
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Speaker 2: basically call him her husband because I'm thinking it into existence,

462
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Speaker 2: and you will love him. Great sense of humor, super

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Speaker 2: fun good hang can like go to the work parties

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Speaker 2: and just be off with my husband. You'd love him.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Then the story there is that Matthew Stafford and Kelly

467
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Speaker 2: were sick of me dating losers and they're like, we

468
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Speaker 2: have a great guy for you. So they were the matchmakers.

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Speaker 2: So it was vetted, and I know the social Security

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Speaker 2: number and the bank account. Now, so all is right?

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Speaker 2: You know, these are questions I should have asked. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of questions, he puts this seed down. Wait, can I

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Speaker 2: ask a really stupid industry question which I was dying

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Speaker 2: when you were talking about your friend who was working

475
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Speaker 2: the prompter? How much did you rely on the prompter?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm not thinking you're Ron Burgundy over here, but

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Speaker 2: come on, I feel like you would just be off script.

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Speaker 2: How much did you rely on it?

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Speaker 1: Very I would say seventy percent of that show was

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Speaker 1: ad libbed. Yeah, like you would have a framework for something.

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Speaker 1: I mean the highlights. The highlights would be cut and

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Speaker 1: come in. We didn't even get to see most of them.

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Speaker 1: I would say at least a half, if not three quarters,

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Speaker 1: of the highlights on any given night. These interns are

485
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Speaker 1: pas are bringing them in, handing you the shotsheet. You

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Speaker 1: got to read their penmanship, and you're just trying to

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Speaker 1: so you're ad libbing, and it was wonderful. That's so fun.

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Speaker 1: I feeling is just well. I mean, I would get

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Speaker 1: through with work and I'd be fired up. It'd be

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Speaker 1: like I felt like I played, but you had to

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Speaker 1: be on your game. And I remember I got a

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Speaker 1: shot sheet one time. It was at the end of

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Speaker 1: the show and you know, this intern or pa brought

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Speaker 1: it in and she just kind of handed it to

495
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Speaker 1: me and I'm looking at it and we're in commercial

496
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Speaker 1: break and they're counting me down in my ear like

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Speaker 1: all right, coming back in ten, and I go, wait, Ben,

498
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Speaker 1: Ben Blowdoll, Wait this guy. This picture for the Tigers

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Speaker 1: is Ben Blowdoll five four overman goos.

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Speaker 3: It's Ben bloom dogg bloom Doll, not blow.

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Speaker 1: Dof And I go Tigers in Anaheim, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: Ben bloomdall on the mountain.

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Speaker 3: I'm going, holy shit. But you did it.

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Speaker 1: And you would have blown it, I would literally but

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Speaker 1: I but you were able to and even if you

506
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Speaker 1: made a mistake, you made a mistake, you just set

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Speaker 1: out my bad and then that was it.

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Speaker 3: You just moved on with it.

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Speaker 1: But I just I love that feeling of if live

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Speaker 1: ad lib And they trusted us to a certain degree,

511
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Speaker 1: and we figured this out that management would stay till

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Speaker 1: around six thirty maybe seven o'clock, and then they'd go home.

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Speaker 1: You know and have lives, and we wondered if they

514
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Speaker 1: were watching because they'd always say, hey, great show last night. Hey,

515
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: and you know they didn't. They weren't watching. Hey, yeah, man,

516
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Speaker 1: good highlights last good energy, and I'm going, you know

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Speaker 1: what we should test and see. So we had a boss,

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Speaker 1: Bob Eaton, and Bob would always come out as he's

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Speaker 1: getting ready to go home, and he was running sports

520
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Speaker 1: at the time, and he'd always walk out and we'd

521
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Speaker 1: be all typing away and you go, who do and

522
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Speaker 1: then we.

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Speaker 3: Go, oh, hey, Bob, how are you?

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Speaker 1: And that would be it, you know, he'd talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit and they go home. So that night, I

526
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Speaker 1: think it was the Cleveland Indians and their ball went

527
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Speaker 1: through Jerry Dibzinski's legs shortstyved for the Indians, and Oberman

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Speaker 1: goes and I'm thinking, oh boy, we're going to find

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Speaker 1: out something tomorrow. Well we went in the next day,

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Speaker 1: Bob came out of his office and when and we

531
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Speaker 1: went nobody's watching us at night. We could do whatever

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Speaker 1: we wanted to do. I mean, we took liberties, we

533
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Speaker 1: took liberties, We had fun. We got scolded one time,

534
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Speaker 1: really bad. Why And they thought we were making it

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Speaker 1: a bit banking it about ourselves, and we might have been,

536
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Speaker 1: but I remember whenever you get called into a meeting,

537
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Speaker 1: and the more wood paneling, the more trouble you're in,

538
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Speaker 1: it just feels.

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Speaker 5: Like the bigger office. Yes, yes, yes there was wood

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Speaker 5: paneling on this feeling. Yes there was wood paneling. And

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Speaker 5: I said, we're in trouble. And all of a sudden

542
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Speaker 5: they start banging on the desk, our bosses, and they said,

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Speaker 5: you will not make this about you going And at

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Speaker 5: the time I had three children.

545
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking I can't get fired.

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Speaker 1: And so they said, from now on you must go

547
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Speaker 1: to commercial break and say this is Sports Center.

548
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Speaker 3: And I go, all right.

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Speaker 1: So we walked out of the meeting and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it's like five o'clock. We have to

551
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Speaker 1: do a show. And then Oberman goes, fuck them. I

552
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Speaker 1: go what, He goes, fuck them, No, and he goes,

553
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Speaker 1: We'll say this is Sports Center. So that night, you know,

554
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Speaker 1: they didn't want us to call it the Big Show.

555
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: We only called it the Big Show. We mocked our

556
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Speaker 1: six show. We didn't even know if anybody was watching,

557
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: so we were mocking ourselves. And then they said, oh,

558
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Speaker 1: you're making it about yourself. We're like, okay, we go

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Speaker 1: to commercial break and it was like, you know, coming

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Speaker 1: up it'll be d D da da da, and Keith yells,

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Speaker 1: this is Sports Center and I go all right. They

562
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Speaker 1: started it and they started the this is Sports Center

563
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Speaker 1: ad campaign after that, and because you know, the tagline

564
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Speaker 1: was this is Sports Center and it started there and

565
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: then they go, you know, we're going to do commercials.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't get an athletes to come to Bristol nobody

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Speaker 1: because they wanted to be paid. And I'm calling Grant

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Speaker 1: Hill and Jason Kidd, I said, would you please do

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Speaker 1: this promo? I think they gave him two thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: for a charity and you have to come to Bristol,

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Speaker 1: Connecticut where yes, and Grant Hill came, thank god he did.

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Speaker 1: He played the piano in the lobby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I came out. I had a bad show.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, what's wrong, Dan, And I go, huh,

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Speaker 1: you know, bad show, blah blah blah.

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00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: Blah, and he goes, well, this might help done. Done done.

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Speaker 1: So Grant was playing the piano in the lobby and

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Speaker 1: then Jason Kidd flew in a helicopter and he brought

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Speaker 1: in his own highlights and then told us what highlights

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Speaker 1: to put on Sports Center. Those were the first two

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Speaker 1: and to that everybody goes, hey, I want my Sports

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Speaker 1: Center commercial. So it started with us getting yelled at

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Speaker 1: this is Sports Center to you know an ad campaign.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the greatest ad campaigns ever ever.

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Speaker 3: Wally Wally.

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Speaker 2: That's why David Archiez.

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00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: There were they were great, but everybody wanted it. Then

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Speaker 1: after that you had it'd be a normal day and

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Speaker 1: you'd walk around the be Weather's the Syracuse Orange over there,

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Speaker 1: and Michigan State's mascot and George Mirasan is walking around here.

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Speaker 1: It would be like just a typical day at ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's so much a part of the

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Speaker 2: fabric of your career and your life, and still you

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Speaker 2: know you have a love for it. I see the

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Speaker 2: four letters right next to the police, so I don't know,

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Speaker 2: call nine to one one because this isn't emergency.

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Speaker 1: I think Chris Berman or Bob Lee gave me this

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Speaker 1: and it's an ESPN badge that they used to wear.

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Speaker 1: And when we were joined, Yeah, we were doing like

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Speaker 1: the twenty fifth n of her of Sports Center and

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Speaker 1: I remember they gave this to me. And look without

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Speaker 1: those two guys and tom Mee's I mean, they're the

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Speaker 1: founding fathers. They Without them, you know, there is not

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Speaker 1: ESPN the way we know it.

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Speaker 3: It just isn't.

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Speaker 2: It's why I might. I remember I would go to

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Speaker 2: church every Sunday with my mom, and as I started

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Speaker 2: to get older, like six or seven, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go to church anymore. I want

611
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Speaker 2: to stay home with dad and I want to watch football.

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Speaker 2: And so my dad would let me stay at home

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Speaker 2: and we'd watched Chris Berman, but I was not allowed

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Speaker 2: to talk. He's like, I'm going to teach you the game,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you what off sides fall

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Speaker 2: start all these things are. But like that's how that's

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Speaker 2: why I wanted to become a broadcaster, was because watching

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Speaker 2: Chris and being with my dad and just like those

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Speaker 2: those memories. Love that and you'll love what is coming

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Speaker 2: up on Thursday for the Big Show, Big Show. Who

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Speaker 2: knew they called Sports Center? I guess I remember that

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Speaker 2: it's the Big Show. Why shit, I thought we got

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Speaker 2: the trademark for that one still can Yeah, let's try.

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Speaker 2: They didn't call it sports out of the Big Show,

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Speaker 2: did they Who's Keith Oberman and Dan Patrick? Well, we'll

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Speaker 2: tell you who. Check out Thursday's episode as well. Calm

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Speaker 2: Down with Erin and Carissa is a production of iHeartRadio.

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