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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal, Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Stealer Nation, how we doing well? That's good

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Speaker 2: us too. It is our number two of the drive

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Speaker 2: here on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 2: Black and Gold. Into the phone lines we go to

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Speaker 2: catch up with the Queen of the Sideline, Missy Matthews,

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Speaker 2: Steeler's sideline reporter here on this Thursday. Missy normally joins

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Speaker 2: us on Fridays, but was kind enough to call an

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Speaker 2: audible and join us today. Thank you for being light

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Speaker 2: on your feet as always, Missy, and for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: And hey, it's been a pretty quiet week or so

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Speaker 2: since we last spoke to you. Not much going on,

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Speaker 2: So let's kind of start in chronological order here. Steelers Hire,

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy over the weekend Saturday, you know, the news

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Speaker 2: and everything, the reports and over the weekend and then

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Speaker 2: down there at the press conference. Just what was kind

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Speaker 3: I was slightly you know, surprised how quickly the process

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Speaker 3: I do feel like the Steelers did what they said

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Speaker 3: they were going to do. Specifically, what Arruni the second

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Speaker 3: not go in saying Okay, this is what has been

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Speaker 3: And clearly this is not the same, you know, prototypical

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Speaker 3: But I do think when you book now at the

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Speaker 3: candidates that were out there for various head coaching jobs

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Speaker 3: a pattern in a way, and a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: interviews for multiple jobs and whatnot. I think even you know,

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Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel going to be an offensive coordinator in LA

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Speaker 3: and I just think, you know, when you really sit

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Speaker 3: back and look a Mike McCarthy's resume, what he's been

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Speaker 3: able to do. I jokingly say this, but also mean it.

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Speaker 3: Like to work in Dallas under Jerry Jones, I cannot

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Speaker 3: imagine is an easy thing. Specifically as a head coach,

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Speaker 3: a prominent person like that, you know, before you were

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Speaker 3: winning seasons there, I think says a lot. And you

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Speaker 3: just the little things that Aaron Rodgers would say about

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Speaker 3: a lot of people in the press conference, which I

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Speaker 3: know Art said, you know to Bob Larila, like we're

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Speaker 3: not interested in winning the initial press conference, like it's

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Speaker 3: when we play games. But I think just seeing how

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Speaker 3: like there's no way this guy is taking this opportunity

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of changes, the staff

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Speaker 3: he jumped right in. It was you know, exciting for

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Speaker 4: So Missy, I don't know if you agree, but there's

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Speaker 4: two things that absolutely stand out above all else, trying

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Speaker 4: he would make this decision compared to the other candidates.

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Speaker 4: And number one is kind of what you mentioned, identifying

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Speaker 4: you know, the march for arch or any of that nonsense.

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Speaker 4: You know, do you think that's very much in and

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Speaker 3: For sure, But I do think you know there they

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Speaker 3: did a number of virtual interviews clearly, I mean, why

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Speaker 3: And then, like you said, you still have so many

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Speaker 3: And I think when you look at this higher it

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Speaker 2: No, it certainly does. And that is you know, I

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Speaker 4: We've joked about this so West like it's their typical,

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Speaker 4: Like they do this all the time. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: every couple, every couple of years, every few decades they do.

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Speaker 2: It's like they're every week swiping on a dating app

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Speaker 2: to imagine though, with a guy like Mike McCarthy, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we we all saw it. It felt like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he probably thought there was not a chance

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Speaker 3: And it reminds me of you know, after the team

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Speaker 3: for the interview process. I think he said this. There

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Speaker 3: were three interviews he went on. But it all just

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Speaker 3: seems to make perfect sense now that we've started the

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Speaker 4: So the Steelers have two guys that are elder statesmen,

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Speaker 4: NFL terms, No matter what your round players much much

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Speaker 4: more than I am. During the course of the season.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a hunch on either? How do you

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Speaker 3: Mean they could for a low fee.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, you know the contract.

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Speaker 3: Right like you know, I take less than like a

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Speaker 3: Just feel like Cam has continued to beat father time

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, I have absolutely no idea. Do I think

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Speaker 3: Like he could still want to play though and say hey,

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Speaker 3: You know that that is something he was looking forward

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Speaker 2: great stuff as always. Thank you, And if you are

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Speaker 3: Come on, no, no, it's horrible, it's horrible.

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Speaker 2: There she goes. Great stuff as always from Missy Matthews.

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Speaker 2: There's my bad joke of the day, Matt. A lot

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Speaker 2: We'll do that when we return, Euler Williamson. It's the

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Speaker 1: Your teams about drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here on this Thursday, and let's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've done that in a while, and you change.

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Speaker 2: A lot has changed. And you actually sent me this

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Speaker 4: One of those three teams does that way too often.

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Speaker 2: and Matt I think the biggest thing for them this offseason.

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Speaker 2: They have the most expensive quarterback room entering the NFL

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Speaker 4: Is the most expensive quarterback room in the league. It

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Speaker 4: They got draft pick, but they don't have cap space.

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Speaker 4: Miles Garrett tweeted something that was a little out there. Yes,

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Speaker 4: And frankly, why wouldn't you trade? I know that the

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Speaker 2: Get an a He just turned thirty in December. Okay, yeah,

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00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 2: so yeah, by the time if you're Cleveland and you

437
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 2: make all the right moves and you hired the right

438
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: staff and all this, and you're.

439
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 4: A year away from being a year away if you hit,

440
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 4: if you hit perfect.

441
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Speaker 2: And he's thirty three by this.

442
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and he's probably still good.

443
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Speaker 2: Good, But is it a defensive player that you're wrecking

444
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Speaker 2: for us?

445
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Speaker 4: The two first round picks or whatever else? You could

446
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: get for him would be more valuable than you know.

447
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: I completely agree, and he might want to do that too.

448
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: It might be an easy conversation to have now that

449
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz is gone.

450
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Speaker 4: Think may sacsually get on like the Lions with actually

451
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 4: had the Lord, you know right?

452
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about Denzel Ward as a potential cap casualty busy.

453
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: They would save twenty million dollars against the Cats.

454
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Speaker 4: They're gonna have to start making space. I only read

455
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Speaker 4: the Steelers portion of that this morning, so I didn't

456
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: I didn't look at some of the other cap casualty stuff.

457
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 4: I like the cap casualty section there.

458
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Speaker 2: I do too. Yeah, team needs for the Browns offensive

459
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Speaker 2: line and quarterback. I mean obvious the wide receiver listed

460
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Speaker 2: to which makes a lot of sense.

461
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Speaker 4: But sure they're gonna probably lose the Djoku but Fannin's fine.

462
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 4: The old line is a disaster.

463
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Speaker 2: Disaster. And you want to know a crazy stat. Yeah,

464
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Speaker 2: in the last five NFL drafts, they have drafted just

465
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Speaker 2: one offensive lineman in the top one hundred and now

466
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: I know they didn't have that may pay picks because

467
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Speaker 2: the watching trade, but still in the last.

468
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Speaker 4: Five drafts, you can't do. They can't live that way.

469
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Speaker 2: Zach Zen eighty fifth overall two years ago. That's the

470
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Speaker 2: only offensive lineman they've taken in the top one hundred

471
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Speaker 2: the last five years, and he was eighty fifth over all.

472
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Speaker 4: I was late. Yeah, yeah, I mean they have no

473
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Speaker 4: investment whatsoever. I mean I've said this eight thousand times.

474
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 4: But when they made the Travis Hunter trade, I'm like,

475
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Speaker 4: take Membo and Mason. Graham's fine. It's part of it

476
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 4: because it wasn't re Ohio Mason Sam. But this was

477
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Speaker 4: the opportunity with the extra picks, take a tackle, take

478
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Speaker 4: your pick of tackles, which to me would have been

479
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Speaker 4: Membo and frankly, I would have.

480
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Speaker 2: Been right if you could get the you would have

481
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: been right. Hashtag validation for Matt Williamson. They should have

482
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Speaker 2: still kept you around there in Cleveland. They'd be doing

483
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: much better.

484
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Speaker 4: I think five of their top six offensive linemen are

485
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Speaker 4: free agents. That's yes, they can't even feel the line.

486
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: And they're all set the hit free agency at the

487
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: absolute worst possible time for them.

488
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Speaker 4: Yeah. The only because Wad Jones is a huge Ohio

489
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: State dude who missed the whole year is like the

490
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Speaker 4: only guy that's definitely.

491
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Speaker 2: Back, right, And when you're a new coach, new coaching

492
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Speaker 2: staff with a new organization. Yeah, if you were to

493
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Speaker 2: list the things that you would like to inherit, I

494
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Speaker 2: think a franch gus quarterback would be number one. Yeah,

495
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Speaker 2: if you can do the mic ar the yes or

496
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: like the Mike Tomlin and you know, here's Ben Roethlisberger

497
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Speaker 2: in his fourth or fifth season or whatever it was

498
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Speaker 2: type thing. Number two is probably an offensive line.

499
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the worst nest on the plane.

500
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: And it's it's not even a nest because they're all

501
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Speaker 2: free agents.

502
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: There's nothing there right right right.

503
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Speaker 2: I mean I rarely start building the nest.

504
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Speaker 4: I rarely say this, but I mean tanking I put

505
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Speaker 4: that in quotes for them in Miami might be the move.

506
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Speaker 4: I mean, just totally nest build play Chador, even if

507
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Speaker 4: you don't think he's the guy. Because you throw a

508
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Speaker 4: quarterback in that situation, it's overdraft Simpson or something like that,

509
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 4: and throw them in there, you're begging for disaster.

510
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Speaker 2: You you sure are. And yeah, I just cool. It's

511
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: it's weird because they've got they've got draft capital. The

512
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Speaker 2: first round.

513
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: Finally last draft, the first time. They when they the

514
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 4: most last year in the league, and that's first time

515
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: in four years they've been able to inherit anything. But

516
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 4: therefore you don't have any like cheap labor. You don't

517
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 4: have that safety you took in the fourth round Carson

518
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: Quessenger maybe, but no, now you do right before that? Yeah, right,

519
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: at least they got some of it in last year.

520
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: They did. But it's like an off ball linebacker and

521
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: a tight end, a running back, a running back. I

522
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: know you need those things, but it's not an offensive

523
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Speaker 2: line or a quarterback or an edge rusher.

524
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Speaker 4: They're not the concrete and the foundation. They're the curtains,

525
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 4: you know.

526
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Speaker 2: They're the nice They're the the rug that ties the

527
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Speaker 2: room together. With Abowski, let's stay in the state of Ohio.

528
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals, Matt, I don't know. You know, nothing's changed,

529
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: nothing's changed. Joe Burrow once famously said that as long

530
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Speaker 2: as he's there, the Super Bowl window remains open. In

531
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati team game though, man, I don't know. I think

532
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: as long as he's healthy in play sixteen or seventeen games,

533
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: the playoff window is open in Cincinnaty.

534
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Speaker 4: I think that's fair.

535
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: I mean they've they've made they've managed to not completely

536
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: fall apart despite having a terrible defense and a banged

537
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: up Joe Burrow as of late, like they haven't bottomed

538
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: out and won three games, right type thing? Yeah, Yeah,

539
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: but man, they just they're so hard to evaluate because

540
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: it feels like they are if you just hit on

541
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: a couple pieces on defense, you could see them winning

542
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: ten games.

543
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 4: You know, they don't need to be great on No,

544
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: they don't. They need to be the twentieth best defense.

545
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: But they just, you know, they just they just keep missings.

546
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: They just keep missing on that side of the ball.

547
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Speaker 4: I feel like that if we had this conversation one

548
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: year ago, it would be very very similar. You just

549
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: got to put all your resources on defense, maybe sprinkle

550
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: in a little O line. And they did that last year.

551
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 4: They drafted two guards and they drafted everything else was defense.

552
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: And nothing they've drafted on defense is paying off. And

553
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: you're probably gonna lose Hendrickson. Yes, and we start talking

554
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: free agency is the number one agent.

555
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do some of that tomorrow. Potential cap casualties, TJ. Slayton,

556
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: Mike Gieski, BJ Hill.

557
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 4: The world would keep revolving without all those Gatto what

558
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 4: do they save? Geki actually was kind of useful for

559
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: Him's a nice piece, Okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

560
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: TJ. Slayton would save you about six and a half million,

561
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: Uhseki about three and a half million. Bj Hill about

562
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: five million.

563
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: I mean maybe the two d tackles go and save

564
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: you about eleven.

565
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: Team needs edge. Rusher saved these defensive linemen.

566
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: M Corners actually aren't horrible. No, they're not Turner.

567
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: I know you like D.

568
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: I know you like DJ Turner. Genostone is a free agent.

569
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: I think although he hasn't hasn't played well. Yeah, I

570
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: wonder if they could go for like a Caleb Downs type.

571
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 4: Of They've linked him a lot.

572
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: It's not a primary position, but man, just a game

573
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: somebody good. They just need a game changer on defense.

574
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 4: I don't care what they can't miss again, that's the

575
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 4: best way to look at. You can't miss again with

576
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: your first round defensive pick.

577
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Speaker 2: Yes, and then obviously the Baltimore Ravens still a little

578
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: bit of a per curious situation this offseason. Jesse Mentter

579
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: of course hired, but still some questions around Lamar Jackson

580
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: and how committed he is to being there some cryptic

581
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: stuff on social media. I guess yeah, if you if

582
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: you will.

583
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: Some people in the know have hinted over the last

584
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: six months, about three months, Lamar and or Burrow might

585
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: might it's a it's a non zero percent chance.

586
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: Remember, like two weeks ago we went through the Jeremy

587
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: Fowler article of bold predictions from NFL executives, and one

588
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: of them was Lamar Jackson gets traded to the Raiders.

589
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: And then, as TV will recall, like a few days later,

590
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: Lamar retweeted something on the ex Twitter. As Dale would

591
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: have called it, Lamar shared something, retweeted something that was

592
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: joking about him playing for the Raiders next year. Yeah,

593
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: so there's at least there's smoke. Yeah, say the same thing.

594
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: There's a non zero chance. And it's same kind of

595
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: with Burrow, Yes, potential, what if Garrett. I mean we

596
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: just mentioned the three biggest stars in the division, Garrett, Lamar,

597
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: and Burrow. I would like all those guys, none of

598
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: them might be happening. Go somewhere else. NFC is really attracted. Yeah, yeah,

599
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 4: the way here.

600
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: The Eagles and the Lions and the Rams. Hey, the

601
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: Rams have multiple first round picks guys, sure you could.

602
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Although as I say that, could you imagine Sean McVay

603
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: getting a Joe Burrow to replace Matt Stafford?

604
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Speaker 4: Good, good, lord, hilarious. You said this because on a

605
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: podcast two days ago that I do, we were talking about, well,

606
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: should they draft should we were doing a off season

607
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: the Rams got eliminated. Let's talk about their autopsy a

608
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: little bit, you know, and like, should they use one

609
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: of those picks on a quarterback? And I was like,

610
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Speaker 4: I don't think. I mean, they're gonna be in it

611
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: to win it now when Stafford retires, they'll give up

612
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: like three future firsts for Dak And then I went, oh, no,

613
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: it's gonna be Burrow. Burrow's gonna have one more year

614
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: beating his head into the wall in Cincinnati. Stafford's gonna

615
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: be great, and they're gonna give up three or four

616
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Speaker 4: first for Burrow. And that's what's gonna happen.

617
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Speaker 2: They'll keep the ship on it.

618
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: Yep.

619
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Speaker 2: Potential cap casualties for the Ravens. Marlon Humphrey, which would

620
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: save them a little over seven million dollars a year.

621
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: He's slipping.

622
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Speaker 2: He turns thirty this summer. Yeah, and Broderick Washington, the

623
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: defensive lineman four million dollar cap hit or would save

624
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: them four million dollars against the cap. He played just

625
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: three games last year.

626
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: So he's going. But the issue is Matta Bouquet because

627
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: they just invested in him. He is important. It's just

628
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: about anybody on the team. Maybe he's like the fourth

629
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: most important. Raven and his futures totally in jeopardy with

630
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 4: a serious, potentially career threatening injury. They need They need

631
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Speaker 4: both lines of scrimmage back.

632
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: They need both lines of scrimmage and obviously a lot

633
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: of conversation about what happens with Tyron Winderbaum as well

634
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: as they did not pick up his fifth year option

635
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: last offseason, which you and I laid this out many times.

636
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: From a dollars perspective, we can understand why they did that.

637
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 4: Right, It's because it's he knew that when you drafted

638
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: him in the first round.

639
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: It's the there's a lot of things that aren't perfect

640
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: about the fifth year option. We all know that, but

641
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: number one on that list might be how they lump

642
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: all offensive linemen in together.

643
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: It's foolish.

644
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: So Linderbaum's getting paid like a left tackle even though

645
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: he's a center, So it makes sense that they don't

646
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: pick up that contract option.

647
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: You can't give him Trent Williams money Johnson, but.

648
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: You also can't just lose him and let him walk

649
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: the free agency.

650
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: But when you took him in the first round, you're like,

651
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: if he's as good as we think he is, we're

652
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: gonna have this problem.

653
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Speaker 2: We're gonna have this problem. And I remember in.

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Speaker 4: The franchise tag the same way franchise. If you slap

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Speaker 4: a franchise on him, it's line monument.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're him, you're like, why would I

657
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Speaker 2: take a discount? You know, all these parameters are in

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Speaker 2: place to pay me or I'd love to hit the

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Speaker 2: open marketing go to the high spidder.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's already been linked to like the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Can we get him into the NFC?

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Speaker 4: Giants, these great centers in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Can we get him in the NFC?

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Speaker 4: One of the hardballs could easily scoop him up and

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Speaker 4: pay him. And he wanted just get him to the NFC.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, boys, that's exactly right. Can start getting

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Speaker 2: the rose that he deserves. I like it when you

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Speaker 2: tell me that. That's one of my favorite things. That

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Speaker 2: you tell me, it'll be very interesting to see what

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Speaker 2: happens with Linderbaum.

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Speaker 4: Their team needs are pretty extensive though they.

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Speaker 2: Are ed rusher, defensive line, offensive line.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's trench, it's big people, and.

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Speaker 2: If you lose Linderbaum, you might be losing the best

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Speaker 2: player you have in the trenches, which you.

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Speaker 4: Also quite implementing. Like the Dealers, you're implementing new systems.

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Speaker 4: So you know, like that's true, there's gonna be new

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Speaker 4: if things arise. Maybe they want to play more three wide. Well,

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Speaker 4: they don't have the receivers play three wide. Their tight

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Speaker 4: end centric team too.

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Speaker 2: And as you've talked about Linderbaum, while we both agree

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Speaker 2: he's very good, he's not for everybody his style of play,

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Speaker 2: And so maybe Mentor comes in and thinks, you know what,

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Speaker 2: we can let that guy walk. We don't need to

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Speaker 2: invest big money there.

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Speaker 4: I don't can't remember if they've signed it an offensive

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Speaker 4: coordinator or not.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so the top of my head, I

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Speaker 2: don't believe.

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Speaker 4: So they did grab the line coach from Atlanta who's

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Speaker 4: supposedly really.

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Speaker 2: Good, yes, which I don't like to hear that. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it's you know, it's that same. Like I remember

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Speaker 2: two years ago when we were all out at the

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Speaker 2: Combine leading up to the draft and we were really

696
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Speaker 2: talking center center, center, heavy because the Steelers needed one

697
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Speaker 2: and we knew there were three big names. I remember

698
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Speaker 2: having those conversations with you and Dale of like, if

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Speaker 2: you could get one of these guys in the second round,

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Speaker 2: that's the best scenario, because like the Bucks took Graham

701
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Speaker 2: Barton in the first round that year and they love them.

702
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Speaker 2: But they're having the same conversation a year from now,

703
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Speaker 2: whereas you know, Jackson pity second round Jackson powers Johnson,

704
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Speaker 2: and I know it's been back and forth and weird

705
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Speaker 2: with him and the Raiders. But second round, Zach Fraser,

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Speaker 2: second round, that's.

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Speaker 4: That's when they start to go. That's the same with guards.

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Speaker 2: That's the sweet spot for interior offensive lineman. And then

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Speaker 2: finally Steelers Matt Obviously we know, but I just wanted

710
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Speaker 2: to share with you what they had for potential cap

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Speaker 2: casualty from a national perspective. Malie Harrison uh nearly seven

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Speaker 2: million dollars.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't. I haven't dug into the much, but that's

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Speaker 4: an easy one.

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Speaker 2: That feels like an easy one John new Smith about

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Speaker 2: seven million dollars. Super easy one feels like a pretty

717
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Speaker 2: easy one, especially.

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Speaker 4: If you're not going to be in thirteen that much,

719
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Speaker 4: and you're not, you're not. He's your third string tight end.

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Speaker 2: In the opposite in the right, Patrick Queen, which is

721
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Speaker 2: a conversation that we should maybe have at some point.

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Speaker 4: We did it briefly last week, and I'm still torn,

723
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Speaker 4: and it's like, I'd like to see a defense coordinator first.

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Speaker 2: That and it's just it is so man, it is

725
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Speaker 2: so hard. It's so hard to find starter worthy off

726
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Speaker 2: ball linebackers in this league. How much does she save again,

727
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Speaker 2: thirteen point three million?

728
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Speaker 4: They don't need it, but that's a nice chunk it is.

729
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Speaker 2: But here's if you save let's say thirteen and a half,

730
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Speaker 2: just an easy around. If you save thirteen and a

731
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Speaker 2: half on Queen, but you have to go out and

732
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Speaker 2: spend ten million on his replacement.

733
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Speaker 4: Right, or a second round pick, and you're not as.

734
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Speaker 2: Good and you're not as good? Yeah, bad.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's a real interesting one to me because I can

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Speaker 2: see it from a numbers it's same church, different view

738
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Speaker 2: as the Jalen Ramsey converse.

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Speaker 4: I would say Ramsey's not listed there, but.

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Speaker 2: He should, Like, do you want to pay him that

741
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Speaker 2: kind of money money for him? Do you want to

742
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Speaker 2: pay him that kind of money to be a good safety?

743
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Speaker 2: Not a great one, not an all pro one, but

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Speaker 2: a good one. It's it's a fair question. It's not

745
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: so much about the player, but more so the cap

746
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Speaker 2: structure around it also.

747
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Speaker 4: Makes then you're pretty old. It's safety too. I mean,

748
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Speaker 4: not that Elliott's old, but Elliott's going to be you're strong. Yes,

749
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Speaker 4: Ramsey's gonna be free. There's no one else waiting around

750
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Speaker 4: that the third round pick that could be ready to

751
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Speaker 4: step up.

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Speaker 2: You know, Mason Rudolph could save you three million dollars

753
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Speaker 2: against I haven't.

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Speaker 4: Thought of that one, but that's that's one you wait till,

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Speaker 4: like late in the process you bring him to the trial.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, you wait till you

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Speaker 2: your head.

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Speaker 4: Even if you draft and if it's Rogers, no, Smeyer

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Speaker 4: and the two absolutely here, absolutely yeah, you might trade him. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't think he should be on there.

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Speaker 2: I don't either, because it's three million bucks for his

762
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Speaker 2: value and what he can bring to you for three

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Speaker 2: millions on teams.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, he has value.

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Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph is an interesting one because, like you said,

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Speaker 2: what if you get to the end of you get

767
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Speaker 2: to the middle of August and camp concludes, and some

768
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Speaker 2: team's backup quarterback picks up a season ending injury in

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Speaker 2: a preseason will which they will, and someone says, we'll

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Speaker 2: give you a fifth or a sixth round pick for

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Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And and the key to me then is do

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Speaker 4: you feel at that point we might be like, Will

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Speaker 4: Howard's are really good too? Yeah? Sure, Will Howard's the

775
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Speaker 4: next party. I'm just saying that he's a really good too.

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Speaker 2: Just we're comfortable going into this season.

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Speaker 4: I can live with that, right right, Right then you

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Speaker 4: might even cut Rudolph save the money, let alone trade him.

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Speaker 4: And it's not that much of a savings though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the grand scheme of things, three million bucks

781
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: in the NFL, quarterback is nothing, right, team needs quarterback,

782
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Speaker 2: wide receiver. Safety, I like safety is a sneaky is

783
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Speaker 2: a sneaky one depending on what happens with Ramsey.

784
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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of those third round picks might be a

785
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Speaker 4: safety that can run, you know, starts his career out

786
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Speaker 4: on special teams. Big Nickel, something like that.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't hate that reminder for people to both Dugger

788
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Speaker 2: and Chuck Clark are free agents.

789
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Speaker 4: Yes, so so, I mean the cover is pretty bare.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you you are at least going to need to

791
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Speaker 2: add somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Yes, somebody is going to be added. They could bring

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Speaker 4: one of those back. But if you brought one of

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Speaker 4: them back, you're still old at safety. Yes, a youth

795
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Speaker 4: movement there, Killer Brew comes back, but he's not really

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Speaker 4: a safety special.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of those areas that you that

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Speaker 2: you that you definitely.

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Speaker 4: I think you draft looked at. Yes, yes, And the

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Speaker 4: more I think through it, it might be the most

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Speaker 4: likely defensive position to get drafted. I mean, I think

802
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be a heavy offensive draft of the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: I agree, without question agree they'll probably draft day safety.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I would like before Day three.

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Speaker 4: Or maybe maybe fourth round, but I mean not to

806
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Speaker 4: wait till like six seventh rounds. Special team Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: somebody that might be a future starter.

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Speaker 2: There's a little a little outline, little primer, a little

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Speaker 2: preview of the off season decisions and things coming down

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Speaker 2: the line for teams across the AFC North. Let's take

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Speaker 2: our last break we'll close this thing down. On the

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Speaker 2: other side wasch Yuler. Matt Williamson. It's the Drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your twos.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 2: Radio, closing things down here on the Drive on this Thursday.

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Speaker 2: And Matt, we only have a few minutes here in

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Speaker 2: our final segments. So what do you say we get

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Speaker 2: to some tweets here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been too busy for him lately.

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Speaker 2: We have, we have, and we remind people like you

822
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Speaker 2: tweet us. If you tweet us something good a lot

823
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Speaker 2: of times, I'll bookmark it and we'll get to it

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Speaker 2: at some point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there might not be that day or that minute

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Speaker 4: for sure, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, at some point in the week. This was a

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Speaker 2: funny one that made me laugh. Joe tweeted and said,

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Speaker 2: I just want to know, and he said, and I'm

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Speaker 2: doing this sarcastically. If Mike Tomlin won with Bill cow players,

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Speaker 2: I can't here to say everyone. I can't wait for

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Speaker 2: everyone to say Mike Rabel won with Gerd Mayo's players.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, doesn't everybody win with somebody else's players? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Kevin Seaffert won with Bill Walsh's players. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I never thought understood that.

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Speaker 2: The thing that's funny to me about that is if

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Speaker 2: you firmly believe that Mike Tomlin won with Bill Cower's players,

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Speaker 2: So why didn't Bill Cower have more success with those players?

839
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Speaker 4: It's like the year before right the.

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Speaker 2: Year after when they went eight, it was like Mike

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin took that group to two super Bowls and

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00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: Bill Cower took him to one. So why did you know?

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00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: What I mean? I just I don't know that I

844
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Speaker 2: understand the premise of it. And I do think I

845
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Speaker 2: think there's something to be said for inheriting.

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Speaker 4: Wait, but you don't take over a roster with nobody

847
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Speaker 4: on it, correct.

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Speaker 2: And also, like man Mike Tomlin right out of the

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Speaker 2: shoot with Lawrence Timmins and Lamar Woodley, those two were

850
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: pretty key players on that defense when they were winning

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00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl forty three, Yeah against Arizona down there.

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Speaker 4: Like the Ravens win the Super Bowl next year, that's

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Speaker 4: something that the previous coach couldn't quite do. With Lamar

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Speaker 4: and Allen are you're gonna be like, well, that was

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Speaker 4: what the old guys got players. Well, he took him

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Speaker 4: where he wanted.

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Speaker 2: You know, I guess that only counts when the previous

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Speaker 2: coach won a Super Bowl. I guess I'm saying Mike

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Speaker 2: Rabels winning with girod Mayo's players.

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Speaker 4: That's what they Pittsburgh fans make it sound like it's

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Speaker 4: unique that Tomlin took over a roster with players on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whoever replaces Andy Reid is gonna win with Andy

863
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: Reid's player, exactly right. Let's see here a couple more

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Speaker 2: before we get out of here. Steel Curtin tweets and says,

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Speaker 2: whatever the Steelers do this offseason, they have to keep

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Speaker 2: Nick Herbig.

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Speaker 4: I agree with that. You got a year to figure

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Speaker 4: that out, but I wholeheartedly agree.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree. I think getting him and Joey Porter

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Speaker 2: Junior locked up long term is not priority number one

871
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: this offseason, but it's not too far down the list.

872
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: This happens every year, but that's that's usually something that happens.

873
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: You know, my theory on signing guys a camp. You

874
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: know it's a dog days, it's hot. You know, everyone's

875
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: kind of struggling. You've been in camp for a week

876
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: and a half. That's when you give Joey the contract

877
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: and the whole locker locker room right right right, And

878
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: you can do that with her big too. You know,

879
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: that doesn't have to happen today.

880
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: They're all slapping hands with them in the cafeteria, telling

881
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: him he's treating it Sharkis later exactly. I do remember

882
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: that one year that TJ signed his contract extension.

883
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, when he was like holding in, Yes.

884
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: Like a day or two later, he came into Sharkis.

885
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: It was probably like nine nine thirty at night, Like

886
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: you and I just just starting getting settled in, you know,

887
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: for our evening shift. We were maybe one or two

888
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: high lives deep at that point, and TJ comes in

889
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: and like they just handed him like six or seven

890
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: bags of takeout food, and I'm like, they probably just

891
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: wrapped up team meetings, you know all that back Like TJ,

892
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: you just signed a big contract. You're by and he's

893
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: like carrying like seven bags wings and burgers and all

894
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff back to back to campus. That that

895
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: that's always that's always good stuff.

896
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 4: I bet Cam was like, all right, DJ, here's our order.

897
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: Cam was like, I want four dozen wings real real quick.

898
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: Funny story that just just made me think of Max.

899
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: Starks has a great story about how one time Casey

900
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: Hampton had a wing spot in Pittsburgh. I forget what

901
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: it was. It was somewhere down in the Strip district

902
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: that I don't think is even there anymore.

903
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: Could you imagine watching that?

904
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: I would I would pay ten bucks to go to

905
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: go eat wings with. So Max Is like, me and

906
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: Hamp would meet like every other week or something at

907
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: this you know, this wing place in the South Side,

908
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: and like talk about the offensive line group, talk about

909
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: the defensive line group, just you know, just cut up

910
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: and hang out. He's like, one day, I'll never forget.

911
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: I walk in there and there's a big bowl of

912
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: fifty wings on the table, like in like a dog bowl,

913
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: fifty wings on the table. And Max Is like, I

914
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: walk in and I sit down, and I go, oh nice,

915
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: hamp you already ordered sweet, and Hamp goes, what are

916
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: you talk about? These are for me? He's just just

917
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: licking them off the butt. I bet here in Max

918
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: tell us hands like, what are you talking about? These

919
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: these are for me? You know, speaking of fifty wings.

920
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: Nose tackles, eating chicken. It reminds me of Will Fork,

921
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: like supposedly he ate dude, the entire chicken bones and all.

922
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: Like maybe it's like urban legend, Like there used to

923
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: be ones about like Andre Giant, like yeah, he's got

924
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 4: a second set of teeth, you know, like a shark

925
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: and things like that. They would tell people like maybe

926
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: it's not true, but apparently Will Fork, there would be

927
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: nothing left. You get the whole chicken, like a whole

928
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: turkey Thanksgiving turkey, and it's gone.

929
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: This is all for me. You guys figure it out

930
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: last one real quick. Jeff tweets and says to the

931
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Steelers need to draft two wide receivers. I'd love to

932
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: hear your guys thoughts on wide receivers in the draft.

933
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: It also feels like we might need some depth at

934
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: inside linebacker. Well, yeah, depending on I mean, even if

935
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: Queen and Wilson are back, you will probably need to

936
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: add there. Yeah, and I think as we.

937
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: Low priority though, yeah, I mean Holkum probably back.

938
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good point. Yeah, it's true. In terms

939
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 2: of drafting two wide receivers, yeah, I think you take

940
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: one highly your first or second round, and then you

941
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: take another on Day three type thing.

942
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: My plan tentatively would be spend money on a receiver

943
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 4: you've heard of, Draft one, early, draft one, late fifth

944
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: round flyer, late sixth round flyer, late somebody that can

945
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: run the size that needs a lot of work, you know.

946
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: Yes, those those five top one hundred picks. I would

947
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: like to see one wide receiver in one offensive lineman

948
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: in those picks.

949
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 4: Yes, other than that kind of inwards safety. The more

950
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 4: we talk to safety to pick those.

951
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, but obviously we will have plenty more on

952
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: those topics as we get closer and closer to the combine.

953
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: Free agency tackle comes to mind in the draft. Yeah,

954
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: I'd like to add another one to that group, maybe

955
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: the the.

956
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: The nose ish type.

957
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Mac, good stuff. Today. We be back tomorrow

958
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: to close down the week. We will talk to the

959
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: Dean of Doom and the Lord of living in his fears,

960
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: Bob Laberl tomorrow, which will be a lot of fun.

961
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: And let's do let's do a free agency primer tomorrow.

962
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: Let's go through some of the names that are going

963
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: to be available around the league from a Steelers standpoint.

964
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: Would you be interested? Would you not be interested? Yeah,

965
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: we'll do so.

966
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: It could be an extensive one, maybe a little Senior

967
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: Bowl too.

968
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: Some Senior Bowl, some free agency Friday, and Bob Labriola

969
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: on the docket for tomorrow. So that'll do it for

970
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: us today. Big shout out to Nate Dog on the

971
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Speaker 2: Ones and twos PV on the video side of things.

972
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Speaker 2: For Matt Williamson on Wes Shueler. Take care everybody, We'll

973
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Speaker 2: talk to you tomorrow. As always, you know where to

974
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Speaker 2: find us. It's on your twenty four to seven Home

975
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio on the

976
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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network.