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Speaker 2: It was the new game day scratches from the California

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Speaker 1: Are you saying it was the off field play that

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Speaker 5: Hey, little play makes your day, and today it made

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Speaker 1: One more question play than New Los Angeles Chargers, San

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Speaker 1: Peace made responsibily. It must be eighteen years or older

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Speaker 4: You get so many ideas, so on a Monday you

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Speaker 4: That's great, that's great. And then I quickly realized that

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Speaker 6: My graduates from my school being forced bad drop my draft,

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Speaker 5: All right, guys, welcome back, e y l u K.

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Speaker 5: This is a very very special iconic episode.

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Speaker 3: Please like you're the Trumps, please.

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Speaker 5: Both shout to my guy sorely for making this possible. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 5: it's been a great resource for us. We've been getting

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Speaker 5: People are very very welcoming people and going out of

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Speaker 4: So thank you. We appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: So Rio Ferdinand is a legend in the sport of football.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say soccer, but I'm gonna be respectful

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Speaker 3: Let's check out surround this football with.

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Speaker 4: You, so football.

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Speaker 5: If you A lot of our listeners live in America,

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Speaker 5: so I'll give an education. What we call soccer is

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Speaker 5: every other continent Africa, Asia, South America, Europe.

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Speaker 4: Definitely it reigns supreme and real.

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Speaker 5: He's a legend. He played for Manchester United. I believe

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Speaker 5: you were the captain of the England national team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. But what's even more impressive is that he's

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Speaker 5: transitioned to become a superstar entrepreneur. So we actually in

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Speaker 4: And he's an angel.

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Speaker 5: Investor, he's a real estate investor, he's a sports commentator. Yes,

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Speaker 5: anything else I'm missing, Great dad, Great dad, I got

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Speaker 4: Not so much, but a little bit. First and foremost,

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Speaker 4: thank you for joinings. Appreciate it. No, you know what,

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Speaker 7: It sounds exactly about like the athletes where we're from.

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Speaker 3: Doing it the right way? Can you mentor me? Can

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Speaker 7: Or are these just growing pins that you had to

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Speaker 7: I think that it's like a double ed sword though, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of interesting that they didn't really see.

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Speaker 7: Because that could I mean thinking about that, he said

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Speaker 5: So as far as the media company you're talking about,

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Speaker 7: all right, well we'd want to do business with them.

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Speaker 7: We hadn't known that before, especially like in others of

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Speaker 7: And so that those type of outlets give a voice

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Speaker 4: Yeah shut good god. It's come to the UK a

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Speaker 5: So you know, they got the sports agency arm with

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Speaker 4: Most of his name is doing it as well. Durant.

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Speaker 3: Ye, yep, he has the boardroom.

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Speaker 4: What's his partners? I forgot his partner?

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Speaker 7: Uh, it's actually rich Finement is his agent. His agent

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Speaker 4: relatable because they trust Lebron. They trust Lebron. Lebron's got

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Speaker 4: an image to protect that he isn't going to lowble

439
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 4: or do something that's just going to be crazy out

440
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 4: there that's going to affect this young talent that comes

441
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Speaker 4: in the dog because he's got an image and a

442
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: brand to protect. But there's that there's a lot of

443
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 4: these other agents who are behind that curtain that you

444
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 4: don't see their face, so they can afford to do

445
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 4: mad moves and do mad stuff knowing that. Listen, if

446
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 4: something comes out negative about me or this, you don't

447
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 4: see me, no one knows me. Got no image to protect.

448
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: And he's still going to the supermarket.

449
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 5: And exactly I've never actually participated in the sport anything.

450
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 5: It's kind of like Michael Jordan's and in brand Jordan.

451
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 5: That's how he's able to sign a because they all

452
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 5: looked up to Michael Jordan the whole himself, who's not

453
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 5: going to sign the team Jordan's.

454
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Speaker 7: Pieces that were actually watching it happen like and so

455
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 7: they look at it now it's more than an athlete.

456
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 7: That's their tag Frace, but it is more than an athlete.

457
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 7: He's in space jam, he has the movie production. These

458
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 7: guys are looking at it like I want to do

459
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 7: that too.

460
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Speaker 4: And whatever he's doing, he's bringing that. Bringing that opens

461
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 4: the door for everyone come under after that. That's the

462
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 4: whole ethos of what we do. Like I've done documentaries,

463
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 4: I've been involved in making different types of films. I've

464
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 4: been involved in with fifty actually one of the films

465
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Speaker 4: even that there's so many other fashion and whatnot like them.

466
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 4: Doors have been opened, and like that's why I always thinking,

467
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 4: if you're a certain level, you've got leverage, you've got

468
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 4: to use that to help impact other people. And that's

469
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Speaker 4: what that's the only thing I try and do is

470
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Speaker 4: that if I've opened the door, that's been very hard

471
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Speaker 4: to get through for people before me. And I've managed

472
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Speaker 4: to open that door. Why am I going to close

473
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Speaker 4: that door behind me? I want to even open for

474
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Speaker 4: someone else who looks like me, who's from a background

475
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: like me, People that come from our type of background.

476
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Speaker 4: They need to come through that door with me. But

477
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 4: someone's got to open it. What you do with We're done?

478
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 4: A film? Was it called dead Man running? Didn't do

479
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 4: that well? Man, but fifty were sharp? He's acting Withn't

480
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: that sharp? I'm joking now, but you know what I

481
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 4: liked about him? You could see the energy man. The

482
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 4: energy this guy had. It was like it's just it's

483
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: inspiring because like he's just again the background he's come from,

484
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 4: the hunger which he shows constantly, the way he's reinvented

485
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 4: himself again in a different industry. Again he conquered music

486
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: and or in one way now he's conquering that the

487
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: making serious like he is on different networks and like

488
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 4: he's basically made a network almost. So it's just like

489
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Speaker 4: crazy to think that somebody who came out in the

490
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Speaker 4: club has gone and done that.

491
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Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, so let me ask you this. You

492
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 5: seem like everything you do is very strategic. You're also

493
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Speaker 5: a sports commentator. What was the idea with being a

494
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Speaker 5: sports commentator. Was that done to further your brand or

495
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 5: you just felt that was something that would be a

496
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Speaker 5: good way to, you know, keep your name going, or

497
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 5: you just genuinely just enjoy it like it was it.

498
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Speaker 4: First of all, I just love football, so it was

499
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 4: just a natural progression to be in the game. I

500
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: really wanted to be a manager when I was playing,

501
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: but then life circumstances changed and so I had to

502
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 4: kind of just put that to one side and take

503
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Speaker 4: that away out of the equation. So being a football

504
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 4: pundit commentator was I'd be doing that in my house

505
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 4: with my friends anyway. I'd be in the in the

506
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 4: in the bar with my or the pub with my

507
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: friends talking about the game. So why not go to

508
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: the games? Why not be paid for it and still

509
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 4: keep your name relevant within the sport that you love.

510
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Speaker 4: And I think it helps also with the business the

511
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 4: businesses that I've got. It supports that as well. You

512
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: can almost be part of narratives that are coming out

513
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Speaker 4: in the game, and the game's given me so much,

514
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Speaker 4: why would I just walk away?

515
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Speaker 3: Do you ever have to call a game that your

516
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: client is playing in.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, also friends or your friends, like a lot of

518
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Speaker 4: my friends are people. A lot of the players now

519
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 4: that are playing I've had a played against or with,

520
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: and that can be.

521
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Speaker 7: I can imagine because like we we know like guys

522
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 7: like Stephen Ay, Yeah, but he's not he doesn't have

523
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Speaker 7: an agency where his players playing like it's in your

524
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 7: best interest shutting sharp, shouting a sharp another guy, right,

525
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 7: But they're not agents right like you are. And your

526
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 7: client is on the field, on the pitch like that,

527
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 7: and I mean, obviously he's in the best interest to

528
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 7: have them perform well. You don't want a negative connotation

529
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 7: around them. So how do you How do you manage that?

530
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Speaker 4: I think I based a lot more I base my

531
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: relationship with the players that we manage on honesty. So

532
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to say anything on the TV that

533
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Speaker 4: I would not say to their face or haven't said

534
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Speaker 4: to their face with the same type of energy. And

535
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Speaker 4: I think the players have always appreciated that. Now, if

536
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 4: a player plays really well, I'm not going to go

537
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 4: crazy about it. I'm not going to go overboard. I'll

538
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 4: be the same as which I would be of a

539
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: player who I don't manage. But likewise, if a player

540
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 4: plays poorly or makes a big mistake, I'm not going

541
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Speaker 4: to go overboard and go crazy about like I wouldn't

542
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 4: go of any plant. I just state the obvious and

543
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 4: the fact. Listen, he's made a mistakes. I want to

544
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: learn from that, and you move on. But I won't

545
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 4: be sitting there giving them favors and trying to talk

546
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Speaker 4: them up. When I talked, I wouldn't be looking to

547
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 4: talk them up above their station, because I just you

548
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: got to keep some type of integrity.

549
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 5: So I was anging about real estate. You are a

550
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 5: real estate investor. When did you get turned on to?

551
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: Like?

552
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 4: How did that start? As far as your real estate career?

553
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: Too late for my liking, Like, you know what, I've

554
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 4: been lucky that I've met some good people earlier in

555
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 4: my career. I got stung a lot with properties, and

556
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: I was buying stuff kind of off plan, not looking

557
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: at the paperwork, not looking at the small print, and

558
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, a year or two down

559
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 4: the line, when it's actually not what it said it

560
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 4: was going to be, or the yield isn't what it

561
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: said it was going to be, or so again living

562
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: by learning by mistakes. And then I met some good people,

563
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 4: people with developers, people who get to know about certain

564
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: things in the industry more like in terms of pace

565
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 4: quicker and getting to the punch earlier. And then you

566
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: just start to build and you build up your own portfolio,

567
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: and it's more about for me, just having that mix

568
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 4: of different types of property commercial, residential, not all in

569
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 4: one place. Like I used to think, oh, buy loads

570
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: in this one area, and it's like, if that area, thanks,

571
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: you are banging trouble. So that's just diversifying the portfolio

572
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: the right way and just having the right people around you.

573
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: And I think that's a lot of the way a

574
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 4: lot of the players fall down is that we end

575
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: up employing the wrong people who look like they know

576
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 4: everything but actually don't have your best interests at heart.

577
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: And like I always go back to this with the

578
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: management or with people I do businesses. Do I trust

579
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: this guy, because you've got to go with the gut

580
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: feeling because normally I've always felt that the people that

581
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: I weren't sure about and had a bad gut feeling

582
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 4: about at the beginning, they always end up turning sour.

583
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 4: So now I don't mess about with that. Once I

584
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 4: get that feeding, whether I like them or not, I

585
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: just say, business wise, we can go for a drink

586
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 4: or dinner or whatever, but business let's just leave it

587
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: and keep it moving something else.

588
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, majority of the portfolio is invested in the UK

589
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: or the other country.

590
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. I got burned when I invested in I don't

591
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: want to name the countries. I invested in the country

592
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 4: and like put money down, loads of people that I

593
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: know put money down, and then the rules in the

594
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: country change and we lost a good bit of money.

595
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'll just that just burnt me and I

596
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: ain't going to get burnt again. Is it like multi

597
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: family own? Is it flat? Is it commercial buildings? No?

598
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: Like commercial that you rent out, yeah, which you get

599
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 4: good tenants in, which has been good. They yield decent money.

600
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: But it's long term leaseholders which are great. But also

601
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 4: the residentials, like you buy it and you kind of

602
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: get you yield off of them with rent. But also

603
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: I think as well that social holising was a good

604
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: thing for me, big thing for me. I think social housing.

605
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 4: Do you have that in America? Socializing the public housing?

606
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: Public housing?

607
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so you do

608
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: different stuff, and you can work with governments, and you

609
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 4: can work with local councils and just giving people an

610
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: opportunity to get on the property that at a lower rate.

611
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: Obviously it's good for because it's long term leases as well,

612
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: and long term stuff that you do with the councils.

613
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: But you're trying to help people as well, which engine

614
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: in the end helps you as well as a business.

615
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: But I don't think there's any better way to do

616
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: business and help someone else help yourself as well in

617
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: terms of just from a pure business standpoint. Yeah, we

618
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 4: were just talking.

619
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 5: We just had an episode about that in the States,

620
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 5: Like it's called like government housing and they get vouchers.

621
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 5: And that's one good thing about having that is that

622
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 5: you don't have to work the rent being paid because

623
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 5: the government's paying the rent. So's as good for a

624
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 5: landlord as long as you know you have a selection

625
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 5: process in place. So okay, So so you're doing all

626
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: of this stuff, and we didn't even talk about the

627
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 5: NFTs and all that. How do you How are you

628
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 5: managing everything? Because being a sports commentator can be like

629
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 5: a full time gig within itself, and then you got

630
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 5: the media side. You're a real estate investor, you're family man,

631
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 5: you got the sports agency. How are you managing all

632
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 5: of this at the same time.

633
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Speaker 4: I don't know. Man, my mom, I got a pa

634
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: in it. So people without a PA and a wife,

635
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: I'll be under this table because it's just it's a

636
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: lot to do. But when you're passionate about stuff, it

637
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like a lot. That's what I found. Like

638
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: the stuff does hard work and tears you up in

639
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: your mind and leaves you feeling really mentally tired, physically drained.

640
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: Is the stuff that you don't care about a lot

641
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 4: of the time. So I try and kind of I'm

642
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: in the process actually now trying to cleanse myself of

643
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: the stuff that I don't have any passion for and

644
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: just sticking with the stuff that I have most passion for.

645
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: And the stuff we've talked about is that also I'm

646
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: involved in. I like, I love investing as well. I've

647
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: got to be honest, I've investing in terms of my

648
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: time to take equity or through financial and especially in

649
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: tech startups. I love it. And I was lucky. I

650
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: met a guy, a guy called sork Client shout out

651
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: Sorklian one of the best investors in Europe is that,

652
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: if not the best, at different levels, different stages. He

653
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: had a thing that he'd done and it was just

654
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: at that point in that moment. Then my previous wife

655
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Speaker 4: died at the time, and I was kind of looking

656
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Speaker 4: for something in my life to kind of just feel

657
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: tired and keep in mind occupied. And I met this

658
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Speaker 4: guy at a website where I was talking actually, and

659
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: he was there and he said, listen, coming on a Monday.

660
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Speaker 4: We do like a like a like a Dragon's then,

661
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Speaker 4: like a shark tank type thing where we have people

662
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: come and pitch us ideas and stuff, and we invest or.

663
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Speaker 4: We help them set up the business and try and

664
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Speaker 4: amplify what they do. And I used to go. I

665
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: went in there for about eighteen months. I was going

666
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: in there on and off, and I was just just

667
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: meeting new people in this guy man, his perspective on

668
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: everything life or business all just kind of just was like, well,

669
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Speaker 4: this guy's from a different planet. He's like an alien man,

670
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Speaker 4: just see things differently. Good heart, good energy. And then

671
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Speaker 4: I've invested in a few things that we've done with him.

672
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Speaker 4: I've invested with other people, but through him, I started

673
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Speaker 4: to understand the space more. Yeah you made some of

674
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Speaker 4: them didn't do well, but the ones that do well

675
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Speaker 4: are just crazy. So it's just been a great experience

676
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Speaker 4: and just to go into a new life, new world,

677
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Speaker 4: meet new people, and just be part of creating new

678
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Speaker 4: like wonderful businesses that kind of a change in certain industries,

679
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Speaker 4: which is just it's just crazy.

680
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Speaker 7: The same format you're getting into these these tech companies

681
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Speaker 7: in the early seed rounds with the aspiration of its

682
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Speaker 7: own public one day and wants to all buy out,

683
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Speaker 7: all buyout and then obviously you do well.

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Speaker 3: You stage driving.

685
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Speaker 4: That the angel n VC world is interesting.

686
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Speaker 5: I want to get a lot of guys in America

687
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Speaker 5: like Nass he's heavy and that got in coin base,

688
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Speaker 5: got in ring, got in pill pack, he smashed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a hell of a run.

691
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Speaker 5: So what you said you was educated, Like what did

692
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Speaker 5: you learn? What did you learn to help you actually

693
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Speaker 5: have a better education, because I don't think people still

694
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Speaker 5: fully understand that they know Angel Investing. You invest in

695
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Speaker 5: a company and they might have heard about seed rounds,

696
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Speaker 5: but that's probably it.

697
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Speaker 4: Like what did you learn that really have a good understanding? Okay,

698
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Speaker 4: I know how this works. I think one of the

699
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Speaker 4: best that you get so many ideas, so on a Monday,

700
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Speaker 4: you might get ten opportunities that present them else And

701
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: when I was first going, I was thinking, oh, every

702
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: idea sounded amazing, like whoa that Yeah, that's oh my god,

703
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah that's unbelievable, that's great, that's great. And then I

704
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: quickly realized that it's not about the idea necessarily, it's

705
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: about the people who's behind the idea. You're investing in

706
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 4: that person to execute on that business. So like put

707
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Speaker 4: the what been because a lot of the best ones

708
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Speaker 4: that I've invested in are boring that I would they

709
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 4: don't excite me, but the people behind it are trusting

710
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: that person. I believe in that person. Actually the idea

711
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: is a good idea, but I believe he can actually

712
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Speaker 4: pull through this and do what he's saying if he

713
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: has the right resources around him and so understanding that

714
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: you can't get emotionally attached and caught up with like

715
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Speaker 4: it's a great idea, this is going to be brilliant,

716
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Speaker 4: this is this is exciting, it looks looks sexy, and

717
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: that's just got a guy out the window. But it's

718
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Speaker 4: hard to do that I mean, because you actually don't

719
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Speaker 4: start thinking, I'm an investor, man, this idea, I'm going

720
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Speaker 4: to have to put it. So and if I just

721
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Speaker 4: if I talk to that guy to come in as well,

722
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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden you realize, actually, the guy

723
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Speaker 4: who's running that good idea is ship like, he ain't

724
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: got a clue what he's doing. You don't know what

725
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 4: he's saying, what he's doing. He actually's sucking up my

726
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: money as well. So then you start becoming actually, this

727
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: is more business. Take all that excitement out of it.

728
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Speaker 4: And then once I started doing that, Listen, you're still

729
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 4: going to make mistakes. Listen, all the good ones we

730
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: hear about, even Nas was invested in. I'm sure there's

731
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Speaker 4: a load of them behind that are found and then

732
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: he'll probably tell you that, but they're not publicized. So

733
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Speaker 4: everyone thinks everything you do is a hit, where it's not.

734
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Speaker 4: So it is a It is a crazy business, but

735
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Speaker 4: there's so many talented people out there. But the big

736
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Speaker 4: thing for me, and we were talking about this before

737
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Speaker 4: he came on, but it's just that it's I want

738
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Speaker 4: to be part of something that gives people that come

739
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Speaker 4: from our culture, our background and opportunity to see this like,

740
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Speaker 4: not at the last stage where there's no room for

741
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Speaker 4: big margins. I wanted them to get where actually you

742
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Speaker 4: can get in early and see these these future unicorn

743
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744
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Speaker 4: the next stage, so that because we don't get to

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746
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747
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748
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Speaker 4: But a lot of time you come in and actually,

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Speaker 4: you know what, can you just induce this for us?

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Speaker 4: I don't want to induce man, I don't want equickly,

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Speaker 4: I'll just give me, yeah, I do. I want to

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Speaker 4: keep you ex.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 4: I would rather take everything in equity, or depends where

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Speaker 4: you are in life. You might want to take half,

797
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Speaker 4: half and half. But I don't want to really talk

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Speaker 4: unless I'll get some equity. So but it's it's it's

799
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Speaker 4: about having an understanding and experience. And I think a

800
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: lot of the young players, but it's changing more now

801
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Speaker 4: because they're seeing shows like yours. They're seeing I am

802
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: athlete who talk about this type of this type of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Actually it ain't all about and that's where Jordan set

804
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Speaker 4: the blueprint in that and then then from what I

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Speaker 4: gather they say it's one of the it's a great deal,

806
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: but it's a bad deal at the same time. Yeah,

807
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Speaker 4: yeah for them what he for what he brought to

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Speaker 4: the team, all the private Yeah, the private jets. Key's

809
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Speaker 4: buying that. Yeah, down to them.

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Speaker 3: Join thirty percent of it and the other seventies ninety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's why Easy Situation is so unique.

813
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Speaker 5: Hens a hundred percent of the Easy brand, even though

814
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Speaker 5: it's distributed to the ideas. But you know, it's I

815
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Speaker 5: think every generation learns, you know what I'm saying that

816
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Speaker 5: that's the benefit of it, And especially now with social

817
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Speaker 5: media and people being vocal about it, it's like it's

818
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Speaker 5: not hidden.

819
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Speaker 4: You can actually see the mistakes.

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Speaker 5: Okay, this person made this mistake, so I know, going

821
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Speaker 5: to forward, I can't make that mistake, you know, do

822
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Speaker 5: it this way. But let's talk about the NFTs because

823
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Speaker 5: I know that that's something that you was passionate about

824
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Speaker 5: as well. How do you feel about the NFT space

825
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Speaker 5: because a lot of people feel like it's a bubble,

826
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Speaker 5: it's going to crash. I don't necessarily feel like it's

827
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Speaker 5: a bubble, but I kind of feel like it's very

828
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Speaker 5: similar to the early dot com or even.

829
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Speaker 4: Crypto a few years ago.

830
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Speaker 5: With it probably will come back down because there's a

831
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Speaker 5: lot of projects that's not really worth anything. But the

832
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Speaker 5: NFT space is here, here to stay. So what's your

833
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Speaker 5: thoughts before I ask you specific questions, like, what's your

834
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 5: thoughts on broad range the NFT space right now? Because

835
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Speaker 5: this is on fire right now. Yeah, I think it's

836
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Speaker 5: not going nowhere. I think it's like it's like like

837
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Speaker 5: you said, the dot Com boom. Everyone at the time

838
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Speaker 5: was saying, no, this is a myth. This is going

839
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Speaker 5: to be here.

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Speaker 4: Come today, you come tomorrow like it's gonna I think

841
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Speaker 4: NFTs will be here because it gives the creators the

842
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Speaker 4: artist's power again, so that I don't think that will

843
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: be relinquished. It's just that I think probably ninety eight,

844
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Speaker 4: ninety five, even more ninety eight percent of the stuff

845
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Speaker 4: that you see coming out today will probably be gone

846
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Speaker 4: and there'll be more blue chip. The strong ones of

847
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: today I think will stay and grow, but there'll be

848
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: there's a lot of ship and you just got to

849
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Speaker 4: just distinguish what you believe is back the right horse.

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Speaker 7: That's what I said, it's back in the right horse. Right,

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Speaker 7: even though there's a dot com, there was a dot

852
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Speaker 7: com bubble, there was still and that was on in there.

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Speaker 7: You're still a yeahoo in there, right, there was still

854
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Speaker 7: an eBay in there.

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Speaker 4: Yeh's a bad example.

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Speaker 2: Well it's still here Google. It's not excite dot com right,

857
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: the yeah, who's still here? We can't we can't knock it.

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Speaker 2: It's not excite.

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Speaker 3: We know that.

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Speaker 7: And a bunch of others that we don't even see anymore,

861
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Speaker 7: aol like a bunch of those that we don't see anymore.

862
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Speaker 3: So it's about just finding the right one.

863
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Speaker 7: But who introduced you to it or did this become

864
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Speaker 7: something again that you just kind of found it interesting

865
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Speaker 7: and said, let me study this because this is going

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Speaker 7: to be in the way.

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Speaker 4: I think like everybody else, I just was on social

868
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Speaker 4: media and then you start you go to links and

869
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Speaker 4: you look at stuff, you research, you look at different

870
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 4: industries that are taking it on. Is it Kings of

871
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: Leon who'd done it with want to left with a

872
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: song or an album? Yeah? And then all of a

873
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: sudden you see Nike buying a lab like and it's

874
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: just like added that's now going in the space. I

875
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: think Guccia negotiating or something. You just see it's like snowballing.

876
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: You think, how can I not get interested in this?

877
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: And then opportunities start presenting themselves and you think, let

878
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 4: me have a little look to what's going on, and

879
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: oh that done? Okay, that was okay. And I just

880
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 4: don't think it's a space that's going to go anywhere.

881
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: And I think there's there's I think regulations might change

882
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: around it a little bit and kind of tighten things

883
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: up to a certain extent, but I don't see it

884
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 4: being something that can be deleted. I think it's too

885
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: there's too much power for the creators and that the

886
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: musicians and different people that mean something that can actually

887
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: benefit from this for it to be able to go anywhere.

888
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: Do you have a n f T. Yeah, I've got

889
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: a couple of n f t's I've got. You know

890
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: what it's. It's more about like I got involved in

891
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: a company called Sora, which is basically an n FT company,

892
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 4: which is basically like in America, is it top Shot?

893
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: Top Shot? So it's like that but for football, for

894
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 4: our football, for soccer, And as soon as I heard

895
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 4: the idea, I just said, WHOA like you can trade players.

896
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 4: You can buy a part of a player that you

897
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: feel like you could start at this level, but you're

898
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: back in that he's going to grow, and all of

899
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 4: a sudden you get the growth and like it's I did, actually,

900
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: be honest, I didn't completely understand it, but I believed

901
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: in the team behind it and that and these guys

902
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: and the influence of the guy I mentioned Saul before

903
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 4: he said, real, I'm grinding this as well, and I

904
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, I've got a guy as well.

905
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: Companies has gone from I think late hundreds to two hundreds.

906
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: Now it's like companies doing well, doing well.

907
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 7: So it is a similar in the set of tap shot,

908
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 7: where it's highlighted the players and then you can have

909
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 7: ownership of the highlights or something a little difficult.

910
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: It's more, it's more more, it's just the actual player.

911
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 4: It's like a picture of the player and that's it.

912
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: But that's something that will be introduced at some point,

913
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure. But there's a lot of regulations, especially with football,

914
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: with the rights of the club team. Yeah, like the

915
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: Premier League will own the rights for they sell the

916
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: rights obviously to like the big companies that we have,

917
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: BT and sky Sports here and Amazon, so the actual

918
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 4: highlight reels and stuff like that. It's quite a complex situation.

919
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: So the NBA and the NFL do it very different,

920
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: quite differently, I think a little bit a few sports questions.

921
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 5: Well, first, so being in America, we only release, we

922
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 5: don't really have a full grasp of what goes on overseas.

923
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 5: We just see, like we just hear reports and we

924
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: just see things. One thing that was very disturbing that

925
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 5: we were seeing and it's kind of an ongoing thing

926
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: in different countries throughout Europe, is the racism at football

927
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 5: games of matches you played obviously for a very long

928
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 5: time at the highest level. What's your thoughts on that?

929
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 5: And how is it as bad as it looks? Because

930
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 5: it looked like the brother I think it was in France,

931
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 5: and then I think even Jay Z was gonna invest, well,

932
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 5: he's gonna invest in a team out here, but then

933
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 5: he pulled back when he when he did some more research.

934
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: Some long story short, how is it? How is it

935
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 4: racism here?

936
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: Man?

937
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: Like, I'm actually shooting a documentary about it at the moment,

938
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 4: so which is going to be real good and it

939
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: will be very insightful, especially like for guys overseas like

940
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: yourselves to kind of understand the culture here very different.

941
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: It's it's toxic. Social media plays a big part in

942
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 4: that in facilitating and escalating racists and that ignorant behavior,

943
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 4: but discrimination of all forms. Really, I think a good

944
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 4: case is to three England players who were black, black

945
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: guys rushed for Sancho and the three young English players

946
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 4: like young like young English boys, all black, mister penalty.

947
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: And the mad thing about it is that the majority

948
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: of the people in the stands in that day, in

949
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: the stadium or at home watching, before they even stepped

950
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 4: up to take the penalties, all were saying to themselves,

951
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 4: they said it to someone who was with them, or

952
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: they thought if they missed, man, they're going to get abuse. Yeah,

953
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: if these guys miss they're going to get racially abused,

954
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: and and it played out like that, so it was

955
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 4: no surprise when it happened. It's terrible. It's disgusting to

956
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: think that today's we're still seeing this stuff and still

957
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 4: having to argue and fight because he's tiring man having

958
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 4: to answer these questions on race all the time. It's

959
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: been going on for so many years. When I was

960
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 4: a kid that was going on. They see it's getting

961
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: worse now because of social media and the ability to

962
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 4: really touch people and get to people direct. So it's yeah,

963
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's a nightmare, really, But I don't

964
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 4: think the powers that be, the stakeholders in our game

965
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 4: at least do enough. And I've been interested to hear

966
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 4: what you guys say about like we look at the NBA,

967
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: but I love watching the NBA and the way that

968
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 4: you the players in the NBA kind of came together

969
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 4: and they set out a game or weekend one of

970
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: the games that's never happened here, that would never happen

971
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 4: here right now. Should it happen? I think so at

972
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 4: some point, if stuff continues the way it continues going,

973
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 4: can it happen? I don't know, because the way that

974
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 4: the NBA seems correct if I'm wrong, it just seems

975
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: like a more of a tight knitted players union players group.

976
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 4: They have more power, They have power, and they utilize

977
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: that power in positive ways to get some sort of

978
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 4: change or shift in mindset or regulations and in the system.

979
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 4: But here it's not as tight kit. It's not and

980
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: it's just finding a way of helping that. And I'm

981
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: going to LA actually soon to hopefully meet some NBA

982
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: players or some decision makers just to find out a

983
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 4: bit more detail in how they do that, to bring

984
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 4: that kind of information back to kind of say to

985
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: look like this is potentially that I don't know it.

986
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: It's it's so that's what we were talking about before.

987
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: It's funny like in America, shit happens, and like England

988
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 4: we follow. In the UK and Europe we follow probably three, four,

989
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: five years, sometimes ten years later. Because you guys have

990
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 4: I don't know why, it's just it's just in a

991
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: lot of the stuff that that that just happens, and

992
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: it's the way and I feel with I'm not saying

993
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 4: you guys have got the racism issue down or you've

994
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: got it perfect, but there's certain things that you guys

995
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: have done that I feel that where we could learn from.

996
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the NBA has done a great job

997
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 5: with the having like real control.

998
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 4: The NFL is still not really there.

999
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 5: And that's why even with that kneeling situation with Colin Kaepernick,

1000
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 5: and it's still the owners still have a lot more

1001
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 5: control in the NFL, but the NBA.

1002
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: It's more of a league.

1003
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 5: It's more of a players league, and it's been that

1004
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 5: way for a long time. Even in the the CBA,

1005
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 5: where they got like fifty one percent of the revenue,

1006
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 5: like they get more of the revenue.

1007
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: They just associated that it was like fifty five forty five.

1008
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1009
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1010
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: So it's maybe you can learn the dynamics of that

1011
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 5: and see how to play. It's because it's it's very

1012
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 5: interesting because you can see like which leagues have the

1013
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: power like that, you can see the stark contrast between

1014
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 5: the NBA and the NFL from a lot of stuff

1015
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 5: that happens that the NFL would never let happen.

1016
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: The premier league don't get no power. Players ain't got

1017
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 4: no power.

1018
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: It's like that is like you.

1019
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 4: Get paid to play. Be quiet. That's it.

1020
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 7: So when the when the young gentleman, because everything you're

1021
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 7: saying is one hundred percent you As I'm watching this,

1022
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 7: like these guys got subbed into the kicks, and I'm like,

1023
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 7: I hope they make it for their sake, I hope

1024
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 7: they make it. But when they didn't and there was

1025
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 7: turn on from everything that was going around them. Is

1026
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 7: this where you step in as a senior statesman to

1027
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 7: the national team and saying I need to go talk

1028
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 7: to these guys.

1029
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you reach out, man, you reach out, and I

1030
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: know that a couple of the guys that look after

1031
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: these boys too as well, and you speak and it's

1032
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: like it's difficult for a man because it can be

1033
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: a lonely place as much as they've got huge followings

1034
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: on social media and the future of the national team there,

1035
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: the future of the football in this country. And it's

1036
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 4: like one minute before that they were cheering these guys

1037
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, now there's the hate

1038
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: that's being spilled on these guys. It's just like you

1039
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: just can't believe how it can go from one way

1040
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 4: situation to another that quick. But yeah, and I think

1041
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 4: I think it's about championing these boys. Like you can

1042
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 4: speak up, you can miss a penalty, it's fine, still

1043
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: walk with your head because you're doing something that no

1044
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 4: one really gets a chance to do. And you've you've

1045
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 4: you've done really well to get where you are. You

1046
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: guys are champions really, so just continue And I think

1047
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: it's about just reinforcing that to these guys. But it's difficult,

1048
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: and I think that that the powers that be the

1049
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 4: stakeholders in the game need to make people on social

1050
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: media or the social media companies accountable for really leaving

1051
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: the players in a position where their mental health is

1052
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: really at stake. When you get these type of situations.

1053
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 5: It's extremely difficult situation to play, I mean, because it's

1054
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 5: like the thing that's shocked us is not the racism part,

1055
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 5: because America is built on racism, so we're not We're

1056
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 5: used to that, but just the vocalness of it, like

1057
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: you'll never see bro and man's not coming up to

1058
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 5: your face here and going to right black this black.

1059
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 5: But on social media, the energies like almost like I

1060
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 5: could say what I want, what it is. I can

1061
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 5: say what I want because there's gonna be no repercussions,

1062
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 5: there's gonna be no I ain't going I'm not going

1063
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 5: to jail. No one's gonna come and get me not

1064
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 5: there's no police going to come to my door. So

1065
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 5: I can say what I want. I don't know how

1066
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 5: it can be like that, Yeah, yeah, hopefully hopefully, you know.

1067
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: I don't know how you change it, but it is

1068
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 5: something that, like I said, just from an observer, it's

1069
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 5: just disturbing, like even like to see like fans chanting

1070
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 5: racial spurs, like you'll never see that in the States,

1071
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 5: and you'll never see like people throwing bananas on the

1072
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 5: field like they that just happened, you know what I mean.

1073
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 5: It's just it's beIN Gano for years, like so it

1074
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 5: hasn't changed obviously, Like it went quiet for a while,

1075
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: but then all of a sudden, a few racist situations

1076
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 5: pop up and you're like, whoa, Actually it was just

1077
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 5: swept under the carpet because it's there. Speaking of sports

1078
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 5: switching topics, how do you feel about the metaverse? Because

1079
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 5: I feel I personally feel like have you ever tried

1080
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 5: the oculus for Facebook?

1081
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you tried it? What you experience you like it?

1082
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: It takes them getting used to man. I feel like

1083
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 4: especially like sports.

1084
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 5: Like boxing, basketball, probably even football as well. I feel

1085
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 5: like that's the future of metaverse, Like if you can

1086
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 5: put oculus glasses on and be like right there in

1087
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 5: the action, Like to me, as a sports fan, I

1088
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 5: would pay for that. So I'm interested because like in

1089
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 5: the in the States, uh, the NBA is moving heavy

1090
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 5: into the metaverse, Like they just did something All Star

1091
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 5: Weekend where the commissioner was talking to a hologram and

1092
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 5: the Brooklyn Nets was the first NBA team to broadcast

1093
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 5: games in the metaverse.

1094
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: So netaverse they call it. They're actively moving into that.

1095
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's happening here, not yet, but

1096
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 5: how do you how do you feel about that, Listen.

1097
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 4: I think that the landscape change is so quick in tech,

1098
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 4: and I just think that it's that that's something that

1099
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: is definitely coming. Like you, like I said before, you

1100
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 4: see so many these big companies that are already invested

1101
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 4: in the metaverse that they've already been buying space. They're

1102
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 4: already saying we're going to be coming in that space

1103
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: right now. So I think as a matter of time,

1104
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: I think the media, the media companies like in this country,

1105
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 4: like BT, like Sky, like Amazon, that I know there's

1106
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: gonna be plans to be going into that area. Football clubs,

1107
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: I definitely see it, but I think by tradition, football

1108
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 4: clubs are very, very skeptical of new things, old school,

1109
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: and they'll wait to see the Brooklyn Nets, the NFL,

1110
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 4: the NBA trial and error and then going after that.

1111
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 4: I think I don't see it happening like immediate, but

1112
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: but that's just because of the culture that's here because

1113
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 4: football is quite an old school It's got old school

1114
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: traits and they a lot of people really cling onto that,

1115
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: and it's part of what makes football special as well.

1116
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 4: So to to bring new elements to the game, like

1117
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: we've only just got var and replays to help with

1118
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: refereeing decisions like in the NFL. How long you've been

1119
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 4: doing that, Yeah, I mean long time. We're exactly like

1120
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: where we're probably twenty twenty five years behind in that sense.

1121
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 4: That's and that's that is tech and essentially, so I

1122
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 4: feel we'll be definitely coming up behind you guys at

1123
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 4: some point.

1124
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 7: One of the things that you talked about in the

1125
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 7: media companies that you're shooting the documentaries, but I think

1126
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 7: what kind of gets overlooked is that you actually have

1127
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 7: autobiographies these book deals. Was that something that you in

1128
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 7: your mind you knew you wanted to get your story

1129
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 7: out to that format or with somebody like, hey, this

1130
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 7: would be good for you as well.

1131
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1132
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 4: I think it's also about controlling your narrative as well,

1133
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: because I think a lot of things are said about

1134
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 4: players and athletes over the years that like are they

1135
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 4: really true? A lot of mate, a lot of them

1136
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: aren't true and being able to control that. I think

1137
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: with book deals, I think it's it's because a lot

1138
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 4: of books do get written about certain players, but a

1139
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: lot of time the player hasn't actually agreed to it

1140
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 4: and been a part of the process. So to be

1141
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 4: able to control that and be a part of that

1142
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 4: is I think important for players if they if they

1143
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 4: desire and want is out there for you to write

1144
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: a book. But also, like with the documentaries that I've

1145
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 4: done that are about my life and about certain aspects

1146
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: of my life, a lot of it is to help

1147
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 4: other people that what I went through with my wife

1148
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 4: and my mum in quick succession, both passing away my

1149
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: previous wife talking about that as a man and kind

1150
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 4: of people always look at that masculine, that that machoism

1151
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 4: that comes with men. Sometimes you have to be vulnerable

1152
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 4: at times and showing emotion at times. I think there's

1153
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 4: a lot of people out there that are probably unaware

1154
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: of as to how that can benefit you when you're

1155
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 4: going through really bad and downtimes. And I think just

1156
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: showcasing that on a documentary for people to see it

1157
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: and visualize it, I think can be powerful and can

1158
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 4: change people's kind of fortunes a lot of the time. Yeah,

1159
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 4: for sure.

1160
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 5: Mental health extremely important, extremely important, especially for me, especially

1161
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 5: for black men for sure.

1162
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 4: Man feelings not cool? Yeah cool? Yeah. Music.

1163
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 5: I understand you your big music enthusiasts too. I love music, man,

1164
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 5: I love music.

1165
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: How did you? I was just playing some big l

1166
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 4: actually just introduced one of the guys.

1167
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 5: He's just like, I don't I don't know this guy knows.

1168
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 5: So what's your what's your vibe? Because I've been getting

1169
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 5: educated on music in the U K. And I already

1170
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 5: know like the drill music is heavy right now, and

1171
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 5: then drill music is heavy in New York and its influence.

1172
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 5: But then he was telling me that there's a music

1173
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 5: that pre pre dates drill music, grime scene, the grime scene,

1174
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 5: and then of course we know about scat that, we

1175
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 5: know about gigs the national and we're gonna find it.

1176
00:57:52,880 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 5: And what's my guy now Central City to it. I

1177
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 5: feel like you guys in the culture right back to it.

1178
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 5: So yeah, so what's the what's the vibe in lending

1179
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 5: like as far as what's your musical taste that you

1180
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 5: grew up on and what's like what's happening now that

1181
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 5: you did, you like what I grew up on was.

1182
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 4: Like, like my dad was big music that I used

1183
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 4: to have vinyl along one wall in the house, so

1184
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 4: we used to go out. I used to just put

1185
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: like if he ever found out if I was a kid,

1186
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 4: I don't known about it, but we used to go

1187
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: to Sneak and just put like the Violet, Marvin Gay

1188
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, old school Barry White and stuff,

1189
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 4: and then Temptations. And then as I got older, I

1190
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 4: was just like I loved R and B, New Jack

1191
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 4: swing hip hop. I love that as a kid, like Nas.

1192
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: I used to love Nars when I was young, love

1193
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 4: n Nas. But then like all Joe to see that

1194
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: type of H Town and stuff like that, you know,

1195
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: the moments you need in.

1196
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: Your life, the moments I will cry.

1197
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 4: Forever my lady and H Town. So like all that

1198
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 4: type of stuff, jagged the exactly all them to have that.

1199
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 4: That's that was, like I said, Donnelle Jones, like he

1200
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 4: actually sang up my birthday when I was younger. Yeah,

1201
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, it was. It was cool. So

1202
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 4: all all that type of stuff. And then obviously as

1203
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: you get like reggae has been a huge influence on

1204
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: my life, Like raggar reggae, like that Barty Killer all

1205
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 4: that I love, that's my probably go to Garnet Silk

1206
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 4: people like that. But then you've got like that in England,

1207
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 4: that's the thing. There was like jungle house grime and

1208
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 4: then it's like obviously now you've got drill. But the

1209
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: grime stuff was like when I was younger and I

1210
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 4: was out and I was about it, like with like

1211
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: you know, don't know if you know that Cano, Dizzy, Rascal, Skeptic, Jammy,

1212
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 4: all them boys were coming out that you were. Now

1213
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 4: like they're like part of the culture, deep in the

1214
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 4: culture and set the standard and set everything for the

1215
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 4: young guys now to come and they're just like they've

1216
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 4: just killed it. All these young daw rappers and all

1217
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 4: these other artists now are doing hip hop and rap.

1218
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 4: They're just they're actually making proper money, whereas the guys

1219
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 4: before in their early days, it was difficult for them

1220
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 4: to make money and that the system wouldn't really allow it.

1221
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 4: It wasn't as accepting. You look at the charts now,

1222
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 4: afro Beats even you heard some afro beats yea, yeah,

1223
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: he's in Nigeria. We interviewed David a wicked nice guy.

1224
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 4: He's a United fan. Yea good guy.

1225
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 5: Chelsea the other day took a picture he was in

1226
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 5: my DMS. Like wrong, wrong, I thought, Arsenal.

1227
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: Arsenal, Yeah, yeah, you know that's that's good. But no,

1228
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 4: like all that type of music, I love like and

1229
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 4: I just love music in general. It's like, I'm not

1230
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 4: too like, oh, I only listened to this music and

1231
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 4: I hate that time. I just love good music and

1232
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 4: hip hop like is a massive, especially the older hip hop.

1233
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 4: I'm more like, I like a lot of new stuff.

1234
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: But nineties and early two grew up in the same time. Yeah,

1235
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 4: so yeah, Biggie like big girl played this to these

1236
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 4: young guys who don't understand. Man, they don't get the

1237
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 4: same vibes we got.

1238
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: We gotta take them New York real quick.

1239
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 7: I gotta do this from from a sports standpoint because

1240
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 7: in America, probably one of the two, two of the

1241
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 7: three most famous people that we knew it was David

1242
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 7: Beckham and obviously Christian Ronaldo.

1243
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: He's been around both.

1244
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 7: What has that been like watching like that level of like,

1245
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 7: I guess I don't even know what the level.

1246
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 4: You know, do you know a mad thing. I'm not

1247
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 4: like dropping names here. I went to say with David

1248
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 4: David Beckham, whenever you turned up anywhere with Becks, it

1249
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: was like it was like the Beatles to turn up.

1250
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: It was just like it was just a crazy experience.

1251
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 4: The hysteria that follows that guy is just mad. Like

1252
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: he would turn a whole room upside down. From the

1253
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 4: chicks to the old men to the kids, They're all

1254
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: going upside down to get near and get a picture

1255
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 4: of him. And you know what, it's mad because I

1256
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 4: should just sometimes step back. Like I remember I was

1257
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 4: at a fashion show in Paris once and Usher was there,

1258
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 4: and I've done some stuff with Usher years ago. He

1259
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 4: was there and we were talking and Bex was there

1260
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 4: doing his thing, and obviously loads of people was around

1261
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 4: him going crazy, and he went to me, don't don't you,

1262
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 4: don't you get involved and stuff like that. So I

1263
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: just said to me, I said, bro, I just like,

1264
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 4: you've got to let him do what he's gonna do. Man,

1265
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 4: I don't want to get caught up and all that stuff.

1266
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 4: It's that crazy, like and he's at a fashion show

1267
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 4: with a listers everywhere, and they're going nuts from and

1268
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: he retired years ago. It's crazy. And then you've got

1269
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 4: Natte Cristiano Ronaldo, who is just like another one's like

1270
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 4: he flipped the game on its head in terms of

1271
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 4: like numbers now that numbers on Instagram, and then everyone

1272
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: looks at who's the biggest on Instagram and and probably

1273
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 4: everyone in America would never really know that he's the

1274
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 4: biggest guy on Instagram.

1275
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 5: Peop were just having this conversation yesterday and we were

1276
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 5: saying that somebody, one of our friends said that anywhere

1277
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 5: he goes in the world, people is going to know

1278
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 5: who he is. And I'm like, nah, not really, because

1279
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 5: a lot of people in America, not really.

1280
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 4: Anywhere outside of America he goes in the world. Everyone

1281
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: that I don't think there's a place he goes in

1282
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 4: the world outside of America. Listen, there's gonna be states

1283
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 4: in America that people now, but when he turns up,

1284
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 4: there will be there's everywhere he will go. Someone but

1285
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 4: the hysteria. If you were saying who gets more craziness

1286
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 4: around him, I'd say Christiano. Wow, you were saying him

1287
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 4: versus Lebron And I'm saying anywhere outside of America, Christiano's

1288
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 4: easy easy, Like, you know, the American sports stars like

1289
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 4: they are fucking huge. They are like it's crazy, and

1290
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 4: you look at it and the amount of money the

1291
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 4: ones nowadays are making even years ago, but they amount

1292
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Speaker 4: of money they're making. And for all of that, outside

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Speaker 4: of America, they can't compete with the top five, top

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01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 4: maybe top ten football players in the world in terms

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Speaker 4: of eyeballs and saying and hysteria. It's very different.

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Speaker 3: As I said, even like from an Instagram standpoint, it's

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Speaker 3: not even close.

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Speaker 4: Bro neymar not even am Messi out of here? And

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Speaker 4: the money pog bar and is my guy money money? Christiano?

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Speaker 7: I mean Floyd he might be past them now, Floyd

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 7: Billionaire boys Club.

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Speaker 3: They're the Billionaire boys Club. Messi is right there. He's

1303
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 3: on it with number one like he was he had

1304
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Speaker 3: he got to it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, Tiger Michael and Tiger bron Christiano Messi, they're

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01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 7: right there and they I meant.

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Speaker 4: I think the difference is is the endorsement deals in

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Speaker 4: America are different, right, They're crazy.

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Speaker 3: They get these liars like the naked contract, They're crazy.

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Speaker 5: One thing that mess before we grap I have this

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Speaker 5: question because I took a lik in the Neymark and

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Speaker 5: I was following his career and I remember when he

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Speaker 5: signed some deal it was crazy and they had to

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Speaker 5: pay like twenty million year.

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Speaker 4: Olds to transfer fee fee? What is the what's can

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Speaker 4: you explain that? So that in England, say a player

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Speaker 4: is signs a five year deal. Anytime in that five

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Speaker 4: years a club can approach the club who owns the

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Speaker 4: player and say we want that player, and the club

1320
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Speaker 4: who owns that player will say, okay, if you want him,

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 4: we value him a one hundred million pounds. If you

1322
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 4: want him, you can buy him and then you take

1323
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 4: his contract, you renegotiate his personal contract, but you've got

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Speaker 4: to pay one hundred million pounds and you get to

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01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: take the player to the club. You paid one hundred

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Speaker 4: million pounds from club to club. Then the player then

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01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 4: negotiates his contract where you can't do that in American sports. No,

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01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 4: you can trade it, you get trade or you go

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01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 4: with your car. There's no but there's no transfer, whereas

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01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 4: in football with there's a fee. Every player has a

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01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 4: value so and back pay. Now if he's if he's

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Speaker 4: going for a free transfer, so he's he's at the

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Speaker 4: end of his contract, say he might have signed a

1334
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Speaker 4: five year deal. He's now got his contract down to

1335
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 4: at the end of the season will be zero, no years,

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01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 4: so there's no transfer fee. So you imagine what wages

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01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 4: he'll be asking for. He'll be saying, I'm worth two

1338
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty million pounds as a players and one

1339
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 4: off fee to get my wages, I need to see

1340
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Speaker 4: something that two hundred fifty million pound because I'm saving

1341
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 4: you that by going to a free a zero on

1342
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 4: my contract in length in time.

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Speaker 7: I think what Messy's contract was. It was rawan to

1344
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 7: be like six hundred and sixty million.

1345
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Speaker 4: Yeah, his contract was crazy, man, serious.

1346
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Speaker 3: Six hundred and sixteen million.

1347
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: So that's before endorsements.

1348
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 3: Right, just the contract to play.

1349
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Speaker 4: Crackers play. I've played in the wrong era, man, I've

1350
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 4: played in the wrong era. Do you know what? I

1351
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 4: used to have this conversation with one of my partners

1352
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 4: in football, me and the Manu Vitach. Any football fans

1353
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 4: out there, you'll know he is, and we sit there

1354
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 4: and I sit there and go to him.

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Speaker 3: Bro, we got it at the best time. We earned

1356
01:06:58,560 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 3: the most money.

1357
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, do you guys from five years ago,

1358
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 4: ten years ago, they're looking at us like crazy, and

1359
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 4: he used to go, yeah you think we are, So

1360
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 4: he ain't going hard on this bro. These guys are

1361
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 4: cleaned up different, but it's good to good luck to them.

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Speaker 7: We had this conversation the other day. We were saying, like,

1363
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 7: such a great player, such a young talent. Every year

1364
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 7: seems like there's a there's some type of transfer that's

1365
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 7: about to happen with him.

1366
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 3: Why is it when he's playing for PSG with two

1367
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 3: other all time grades? Why what? Like, what's the science

1368
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 3: behind that?

1369
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,959
Speaker 7: Is he wants to be his star of his own

1370
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 7: situation or like how does that way?

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01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 3: What's the psychology behind that?

1372
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 4: I think it's because he's been there for about four

1373
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 4: or five years and he's like, what more can I

1374
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 4: do here? I need a new challenge. I think also

1375
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 4: for I think it might be about like culture as well,

1376
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 4: like to be considered the best in the world. Just

1377
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 4: just imagine he's got to share the spotlight with two superstars.

1378
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: That are bigger than him.

1379
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah at the moment. But in terms of playing

1380
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 4: who's playing the best football and you could argue say

1381
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 4: it's him, But in terms of superstardom, he's probably third

1382
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 4: on the wrong because of the time he's been in

1383
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: the game compared to these guys, so he just made

1384
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 4: Also that league isn't considered the best league that he

1385
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 4: plays in. Gotta come here, We'll come to the Premier

1386
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 4: League or the league will have two big clubs, Barcelona

1387
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 4: and Real Madrid. And everyone's saying Madrid that he's gonna

1388
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 4: go there, but historically they're huge clubs, so they still

1389
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 4: have huge pool. It's like, it's like I'm in America.

1390
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 4: You guys, what would be the NBA team that everyone

1391
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 4: goes down? Lakers you got to go and pay for

1392
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 4: If you get a chance away for the Lakers, you

1393
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 4: got to do it. And that's what it's like when

1394
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 4: you look at Sir Piers's a very new team.

1395
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 7: And they always get a guy, so like they had

1396
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 7: Koby Residents and then they got Brian so they lost.

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 9: Obviously, Christiano Ronaldo left to go to Italy. Take that

1398
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 9: to yeah, and then Harland as well. Don't forget Harland.

1399
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 9: He's he's other big talent. He's coming from Dortmund and

1400
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 9: he's in I think he'll probably go to Barcelona maybe honestly,

1401
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 9: he comes to the Premier League. But lost Messi so

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 9: it's just it's crazy. It's similar speaking of messy. This

1403
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 9: is the age long debate, the old messy. Who is

1404
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 9: the best? Let's add to it. Are you gonna say

1405
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 9: all time?

1406
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, likes who's better career?

1407
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 3: Are we putting in this conversation?

1408
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 4: No? No, no, I'm not gonna say. That's a whole different conversation.

1409
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 3: Yea all the time?

1410
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 4: Or he's the great he's like. It's difficult though, to say,

1411
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 4: you know why, because look at the amount we can

1412
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 4: see of these of these two guys, we see their

1413
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 4: whole catalog. But with Pele, what do we see? We

1414
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 4: don't have that history to be able to go, oh,

1415
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 4: we only saw the World Cup really when he played

1416
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 4: every day, so the World Cup came around every four years.

1417
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 4: We only saw him really every four years. So to

1418
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 4: judge him just on that, I think, is like I

1419
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 4: almost have to put him to one side and say, yeah,

1420
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 4: he's a great, maybe the greatest of all time. But

1421
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put him against these guys. I don't know

1422
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 4: enough these two in this era. There's no one there.

1423
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: The numbers that these two have done, the consistency sustained

1424
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 4: over a long period of time never been seen before

1425
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 4: never ever. It's just it's outrageous time And at the

1426
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 4: same time, it's like in tennis when you had like

1427
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, Federer and Djokovic, like you've really got that.

1428
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 4: In football you had like mar Donald was the man,

1429
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 4: Pelly was the man, but different eras now we had

1430
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 4: two of them fighting against each other from Afar. It

1431
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 4: was just a beautiful story. Who's the best? I like

1432
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 4: to put it, I don't know, man, do you know what?

1433
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 3: He's a man? You know, you know what careful.

1434
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 4: Messy mess That messy is the artists of artists. Like

1435
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 4: what he does on a pitch, providing chances for other people,

1436
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 4: scoring beautiful goals, almost like just painting pictures around the pitch.

1437
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 4: He was just mesmeric to watch. You just was like,

1438
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 4: this guy is from a different out of space. Cristiano

1439
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 4: is the most decisive footballer.

1440
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,480
Speaker 3: I've ever seen, size, talent, speed.

1441
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 4: Just he decides games and you look through his career,

1442
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 4: the biggest moments, this guy just steps up and just

1443
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 4: scores and like they're both great, and it's almost like

1444
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 4: it's just enjoy them, no matter who's the best, Just

1445
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 4: to enjoy them, you know what I mean? Because it's

1446
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 4: that close as well for me. When he's back here,

1447
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 4: he's back in Manchester. They're not a good time many

1448
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 4: having a good time.

1449
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, what'st when he started, It's been a pleasure my brother,

1450
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 5: nice man.

1451
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 4: Thank you again. I'm a fan of the show Man,

1452
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,480
Speaker 4: so appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you for the hospitality.

1453
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1454
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 5: Anything you want to tell the people before we rat

1455
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 5: any projects you're working on anything?

1456
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 4: No, you know what, I've got a sick project coming

1457
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 4: out soon and we've actually got a crowd fund that

1458
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 4: you guys might want to be interested in at some point.

1459
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 4: But it's it's called We Are Eight. Go on the

1460
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 4: app store. We Are eight. Go on to app store

1461
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 4: and search it out. It's it's an unbelievable platform, social

1462
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 4: platform where there's no hate, no toxicity, helps the environment.

1463
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 4: But al's what the most import well, one of the

1464
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 4: most important things it does alongside that is that it

1465
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 4: economically empowers people. You watch an advert, you get paid.

1466
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 4: And that's something that I've never seen before and never

1467
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 4: gets done. I could never give back to my fans

1468
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 4: or people that have championed me on social media. That's

1469
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 4: enabled me to go and get big deals with other

1470
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 4: commercial brands. Now I've got a viable, sustainable way of

1471
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 4: giving back to the people that are championed me. As

1472
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 4: long as they download that platform, download the app, they

1473
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 4: can get paid to watch an advert two minutes a day.

1474
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 4: Don't sick. So, by the way, don't forget where we are.

1475
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 4: We are at five five five five Vibe with five.

1476
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 4: Check it out on YouTube. We do it every week

1477
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 4: every Monday, five pm UK time. Do not miss it.

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01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 4: You want to know that football, you want to get

1479
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 4: educated on football vibly five.

1480
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 5: Five And I am still a free agent from who

1481
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 5: I'm going to root for, but I'm leaning towards Manchester.

1482
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 4: We always need more fans, more hundreds of millions that

1483
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 4: we've got. We need new ones from over and over

1484
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 4: the pond. It's nice. There you have it, there, you

1485
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 4: have it.

1486
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 3: I think I think I'm choosing by country. I'm gonna

1487
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 3: go PSGs there and I'll go.

1488
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 4: With me and Drake.

1489
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 5: I'm bringing Drake back, Drake, we Gonta. We're gonna get

1490
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 5: We're gonna get them back on the show. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1491
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 7: You reached out to him, Uh, somebody you got to

1492
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 7: reach out the future of the Prince that's that's how

1493
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 7: you gotta go through the channels.

1494
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 4: Soon come. I feel like Drake is soon.

1495
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 7: Cong Yeah, no chip chat TINGALP nice Yo. Shout out

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01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 7: to everybody that is earner man. I can't say it enough.

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01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 3: Man.

1498
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 7: The love that we've gotten here in the u K

1499
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 7: just shows us that this is a global impact and

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 7: we couldn't be more humble by it. So thank you

1501
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 7: for your continued support. We're gonna keep delivering because we

1502
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 7: know that the mission is super important and we take

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Speaker 7: it very very very very serious. So shout out to

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Speaker 7: a lot of abilities. You know that's the slogan, but

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Speaker 7: and shout out to our team and our families that

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Speaker 3: It's been incredible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, shout out to London. And if you don't see

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Speaker 5: us in the States, that means man's gone. Clear line

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Speaker 5: on the island somewhere. You're gonna be in Europe running

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Speaker 5: through Europeans. God to man, Thank you guys for rocking

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