1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: The problem is that you are asking a community in 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: people in Miami to sort of trust you when the 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: history of the franchise is basically not to be trusted. 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Hey, we're back with Andy McCollough from the Athletic joining 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: us right now. Put together what's up Andy, Good to 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: see you. 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 3: Hey guys, how are you good? 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: How are you? And loved what you put together? Encourage 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: everyone to check it out. The little disparity between the 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: Marlins and the Dodgers and how that series matches up 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: for seventy six versus sixty nine million, the payroll gap 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: has never been wider. So before we get into that, 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: how much consideration did you put into the Pirates instead? 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: Because that could have fit them all too right. 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they just happened to be spending like twenty 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: three million more than the Marlins army. And that's we actually, 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted the story to I didn't want 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: people to think that the framing of the story was 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: specifically picking. 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: On the Marlins as a. 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Franchise individually, because I think it's part of a greater 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: trend you're seeing in the sport. Both you know, the 23 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: the haves are spending at like accelerated rates and the 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: teams that are not spending are just kind of holding firm. 25 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: And so we could have written this like there would 26 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: have been a historic disparity when the Dodgers played the 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Pirates this past weekend. There would have been this disparity 28 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: when they played the A's. They share a complex with 29 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: the White Sox, you know who. There's like almost a 30 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: four hundred million dollar gap. So the Mardels just happened 31 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: to be in last place. 32 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: I guess, Well, and now we arrive on this series, 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: which actually was an awesome beginning to the series. So what, 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 2: in your mind was the most interesting part of what 35 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: you put together? Like, what do you think someone reads 36 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: and really resonates with them or stands out? 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I think I mean, I think it's the type 38 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: of story that, how you I don't think it's going 39 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: to change anyone's mind really per se because I think 40 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: that everyone agrees that the payroll disparity in the sport 41 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: is a problem, right, Like, it's probably not great that 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: there's a four hundred million dollar gap. It's probably not 43 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: great that you know, only teams in the top ten 44 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: and payroll have won the World Series in. 45 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 3: Five of the last six years. 46 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: It's probably not great that a team in the bottom 47 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: ten hasn't won since, you know, the three Florida Marlins. 48 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: They just differ on the solutions, right like, people on 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: the you know, the management side, would prefer that there 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: are rules to curb the spending, which is why I 51 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: think when the CBA expires at the end of next season, 52 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, the the sort of rancorousness of the likely 53 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: lockout is going to depend on just how willing the 54 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: owners are, you know, to push for. 55 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: A salary cap. 56 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Obviously, folks from the you know, the labor side, believe 57 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: that owners should be spending more, and they believe that, 58 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's like a reward a point to the 59 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: teams like San Diego, like Philadelphia who have pumped a 60 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: ton of money into their franchisees in the last you know, 61 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: five to ten years and have sort of been rewarded 62 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: by creating these contenders kind of out of the ether, 63 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, And the folks on the management side will 64 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: counter back like, okay, but San Diego had to take 65 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: out a loan to make their pay and the Phillies 66 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, sold a big chunk of equity this winter. 67 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera, and. 68 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: So like it's it's a common problem, you know, as 69 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: AJ was alluding to, you know before the break, like 70 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: there's always going to be labor strife in major sports. 71 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: There's so much money involved. But yeah, like. 72 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: It's it's basically like, why is there so much dialogue 73 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: now about a salary cap as compared to the last time. 74 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: It's because the spending disparity has gotten this wide. 75 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: But AJ brought it up before the Marlins as an organization, 76 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: I get it. It's different ownership, but it's the same 77 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: mo make the playoffs or even win the World Series, 78 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 4: break the team down. Even in twenty eleven twelve when 79 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: they did the whole Burley and Jose Rays and all. 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: Look guys, they even they sold the lies to those players. 81 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 4: Come on in, we'll get your dog in the houses. 82 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 4: It'll be great. And then bang trade and sell everybody. 83 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: Is that ever going to change without Major League Baseball 84 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 4: stepping in in some way to keep it a competitive 85 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: league in the sense that it's about competition and that's 86 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 4: why they have all these rules, or everybody would just 87 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: do this and say, whatever kind of product we put 88 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: on the field. 89 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a good question. 90 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: I think part of what makes the Marlins so interesting 91 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: in this case is that there are, like you, if 92 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: you look at this just like in a vacuum, right, 93 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: what Peter Bendix in his front office are trying to 94 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: do with the team kind of stripping down the big 95 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: league roster, you know, trying to you know, concentrate their 96 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: resources on infrastructure and player development and you know all 97 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: that sort of boring stuff. 98 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 3: You know, a weight room, that type of stuff. 99 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 4: Right. 100 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: It makes sense, right, Like it makes sense. 101 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: We all know that teams in general are built from 102 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: the ground up, and then you go out and get 103 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: free agents. 104 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: Right. 105 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: The problem is that you are asking a community in 106 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: people in Miami to sort of trust you when the 107 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: history of the franchise is basically not to be trusted. 108 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Now most of that is under different ownership, right, and 109 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: not under Bruce Sherman, and certainly not under Bendix. 110 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: And his crew. 111 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: But like that's kind of what they're dealing with, and 112 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: that's partially why I think there's probably app feet in 113 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: that market. Yeah, and so like it certainly is a 114 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: we will see if they will break the cycle, Like 115 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: if this group, the Baseball operations group can build something 116 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: of a you know, like the version of the Tampa 117 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: Bay Rays, the Milwaukee Brewers and the competes, and then 118 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: they'll see if they actually spend to try and keep 119 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: up with the Mets and the you know, the Phillies, 120 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: and you know, to an extent, the Braves. But like 121 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: they're dealing with a lot of history working against them. 122 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: I guess how much did. 123 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 4: You press Sherman about the owner about the grievance. I 124 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 4: know he declined to comment, and I don't know, you 125 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 4: know what kind of situation you were in in a 126 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 4: sense of like pressing him about declining to comment about 127 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: most likely a grievance that's going to be coming because 128 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: of their lack of spending through what they're supposed to 129 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: the threshold that they're supposed. 130 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: To be in. Yeah, I mean they you just said, 131 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: he's not going to talk about it, and so you 132 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: could sort of ask again and ask again. But when 133 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: they say, yeah, we're not talking about that, you kind 134 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: of okay, fair enough. But based on what their actions show, 135 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: they do not appear to be all that concerned about it. 136 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: They have not upped their spending in the way that 137 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: the A's have. But you know that's up for them 138 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: to try and explain because they just weren't going to 139 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: talk about it. 140 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: Crats. Let's talk about the number one recommended dermatologist hair 141 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: growth supplement brand. 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That's neutrafold dot com promo code f oul. 160 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 5: Andy you mentioned you know what you said about they 161 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 5: have no collateral. They have no they literally have no 162 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: nothing with the fans. And I think that's the biggest 163 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 5: thing about this whole thing that bothers me for Sherman 164 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 5: to come on here and say, oh, we're building this. 165 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 5: We built the thing in the Dominican and we got 166 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 5: a better weight room, and we're doing the spring training 167 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 5: and them now listen, spring training. It's them and the Cardinals. Okay, 168 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 5: it's not just the Marlins saying oh so he looks 169 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 5: like it's saying, oh, we're we doing No, it's you 170 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: and the Cardinals. You know, Jupiter. The whole thing is 171 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 5: also putting in a bunch of money. So let's not 172 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 5: give him a badge of honor like, oh, way to go, 173 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 5: you know, Sherman like you way to go, Bruce like. 174 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 5: But also the problem I have is, you know, he says, 175 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 5: and you said this, the fans. They don't believe them. 176 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 5: They haven't given them anything to believe in the years 177 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 5: when they've gone to the World Series and they've been good. 178 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 5: The fans have come and they've come to the games, 179 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 5: and they were I remember going there when they were 180 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 5: you know, two thousand and three World Series. I was 181 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 5: down there and it was it was everyone was wearing 182 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: Marlin stuff. Ninety seven, everyone was wearing Marlin stuff. Right, 183 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 5: But that for years and years and years, they haven't 184 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 5: given them anything back. So at some point does I 185 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 5: guess it's the old chicken in the egg question, right, 186 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 5: do them spending and getting the trust of the fans first, 187 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 5: or do the fans just have to trust that they're 188 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 5: going to spend, which doesn't seem to ever happen. 189 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's more about them putting 190 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: a competitive product on the field year after year and 191 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: not just you know, sort of basically finishing in last 192 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: every year. Right there, The fans aren't going to come 193 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: out to watch, you know, a last place team. This market, 194 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: I know it's a bit apples and oranges, but like Miami, 195 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: the Heat regularly finished like in the top five in attendance. 196 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: You know, there is obviously a robust baseball culture in 197 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: the city of Miami, and and you know, I would 198 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: be interested to see if the baseball operations department gets 199 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: things up and running and they have them being competitive, 200 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: and that's sort of like eighty five to ninety win window, 201 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: which is certainly not going to be easy to do 202 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: in that division. But if they do that, if attendance 203 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: improves and things like that, I suspect it would. But 204 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be 205 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: they will be competing for like whoever the version of 206 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: Juan Soto or Kyle Tucker is three years down the road, right, Like, 207 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: I think that they as a baseball operations department are 208 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: looking at it as a challenge of like, let's try 209 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: and create, you know, the most robust player development system 210 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: we can, you know, have our sort of big league 211 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: club and minor league system be an incubator for ideas, 212 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, try and be forward thinking and try and 213 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: combat some of these inherent challenges. 214 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: It'll be interesting. 215 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: Like I think it's a it's a very experiment. Makes 216 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: it seem like it's destined to fail, but I think 217 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: it's just an interesting gambit that they're undertaking, and I'm 218 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: curious to see how it plays out. 219 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 5: Okay, here's here's here's a question on what you just said. 220 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 5: Though we're not asking, and I don't think the players Association. 221 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 5: I don't think players are asking them to go out 222 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 5: and sign one Sodo Show, Tonny pretty Freeman. They're asking 223 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 5: them to do more than spend one year four point 224 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 5: five million on Kyle Quantrill. Do more, right, I don't 225 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 5: think they're expecting them to be the Dodgers, the Mets, 226 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 5: whoever you want to throw out there, but at least 227 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 5: try to be competitive, not just say, ah, this is 228 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 5: another year, we're just gonna throw it away, especially after 229 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 5: two years ago they made the playoffs and they told 230 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 5: the manager they're not coming back. They fired kim Ming, Right, 231 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 5: they make the playoffs and they're like, oh, you're doing 232 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 5: too good. 233 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: Let's do something different. 234 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that that was a there 235 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: was an obvious reason why there was so much frustration, 236 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, among you know, their what remains kind of 237 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: their fan base after it seemed like they were kind of, 238 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: uh moving in the right direction in twenty twenty three. 239 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: I think at the same time, if you look under 240 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the hood at that team, it was a lot closer 241 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: to a seventy five win team than an eighty five 242 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: win team. You know, not to slight the accomplishments they had, 243 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: but I think it was reasonable for them to say, like, Okay, 244 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: we probably you know, still need to fix some stuff 245 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: with the infrastructure. 246 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 3: But yeah, like it's a it's. 247 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: A reasonable, uh sort of complaint, like Okay, why can't 248 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: you do both? Like why can't you spend on the 249 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: weight room? Why can't you do all these you know, 250 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: sort of infrastructure things and also add to the big 251 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: league roster. I think it's a you know, a reasonable complaint, 252 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: and you know, their their responses like we have a plan, 253 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: we we kind of know what we want to do, 254 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: and this is the way we're doing it. 255 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: All right, So they're playing each other right now, the 256 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 4: Dodgers in the Marlins? Is it unfair to say, are 257 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: we are? We just putting the Marlins in? Everything they 258 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: touch is terrible, Like when we talk about the pitch, Yeah, throwing, 259 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 4: like practice, live batting, practice sessions. If the Dodgers would 260 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: do that, people be like, they're innovative, they're the next thing. 261 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 4: So how can we get away from that? 262 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: I think you just see if it works, like see 263 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: if their guys get better, like see if there's results 264 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, I think when you know 265 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: Joe Sherman had the story in you know, kind of 266 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: near the end of spring training about how they were 267 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: doing these live vps and you know, in place of 268 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: bullpen sessions, and like a lot of people, I was 269 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: like texting folks around the game, like what do you 270 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: what do you got on this? And they were kind 271 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: of and you know, some people were like this is dumb, 272 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: but the majority of people I talked to were like, 273 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: it actually makes sense. And at a time when more 274 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: and more teams are thinking about competing in a practice setting, 275 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: like sort of amplifying the pressure of practice to prepare 276 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: you for the game. Yeah, it it makes a lot 277 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: of sense. And if it works, it'll be a thing 278 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: that in five years, you know, we will see teams doing. 279 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: It'll it could be a thing, you know, as soon 280 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: as next year that we see teams doing, or it 281 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: could be scrapped before the year's over. I mean, I 282 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: think that like a willingness to you know, sort of 283 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: look silly is kind of what an organization like this 284 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: has to do. And you're right cratzy, like if the 285 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: Dodgers announced this or something, or if like you know, 286 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: like Max Sureser came out and said like I'm getting 287 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: rid of bullpens. 288 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: I'm doing live BP, you know, because this is what 289 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: I want to do. 290 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: Everyone be like yeah, dude, like Max gets it, like 291 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: this guy's like you know, But like the Marlins don't 292 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: have that credibility, right, And I think to their credit 293 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: as of right now, you know, they say they don't 294 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: really care if people make fun of them, if their 295 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: stuff works, you know what I mean. 296 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. It's tough when that team is 297 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: trying to lead the pack, right, I mean that's part 298 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: of it too. I think you gain some credibility when 299 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 2: you innovate and you're successful along the way. I don't 300 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: think anyone wants to look at the Marlins over the 301 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: past twenty years and be like, I'm copying that format. 302 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: It's really working, right, there's winning, there's you know a 303 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: lot of fans showing up the whole deal like it 304 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: has not worked out, and I feel like they just 305 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: built back up and then made the playoffs. Then they're 306 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: starting over again. But I do want to spend some 307 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: time on the Dodgers here, so I want to start 308 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: with this, right. The off season was wild and super 309 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: successful for them, and fans were freaking out. And since 310 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: there're ain't no start about a five hundred team, I 311 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 2: think it's safe to say this is not going to 312 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: be the best regular season team of all time. They're 313 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: not going to win one hundred twenty games. So what 314 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: are your thoughts on the Dodger side of this equation 315 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: where you know, money can buy you a level of happiness, 316 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: but not all happiness. And then I want to get 317 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: into a problem with the pitching injuries frankly, but what 318 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: do you think overall? 319 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of about how you'd expect. I 320 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: think maybe they've been a little bit worse, you know, 321 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: than than you would have predicted. 322 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: But like, yeah, they're they're. 323 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: Going to win their division, they will be the you know, 324 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: almost certainly the number one seed in the West, and 325 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: we will see how it goes in October. You know, 326 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: Toddler Glasnow's hurt Snell is you know a bit of 327 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: a question mark, which should be okay. 328 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: Uh. 329 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: You know the running joke that a lot you know, 330 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: myself and a lot of baseball writers were making as 331 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: they just kept signing pitchers this offseason is like, well, all, 332 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: remember this day when Ben Casparius is starting game one 333 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: of the nld us, and you know Casparius is like 334 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: now being stretched out potentially for the rotation. So like, yeah, 335 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: I think they're perfectly in a fine spot. It's a 336 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: long season. You know, they're hopeful that they can get 337 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: through it in a scenario where like Snell, Glass, now, Yamamoto, Sasaki, 338 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: maybe Otani and even Kershaw, you know, Dustin May all 339 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: these guys are available, but most likely several of them 340 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: are going to be down. But the whole point of 341 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: the spending was just to you know, be able to 342 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: throw numbers at the sort of inevitability of picture attrition. 343 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get to picture attrition. You know, the 344 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: Dodgers are down Glass now, right now, They're down Blake Snell, 345 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: and we can go over a list of some others. 346 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: How do we tie this into the Dodgers pitching? I 347 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: would say epidemic. I mean, Andrew Friedman talked about it 348 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: and said, we have to figure this out in the 349 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: off season. But is it something that they're doing or 350 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: is it more just about having a lot of money, 351 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: spending that money on pitchers with elite stuff, and those 352 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: guys tend to get hurt more often, right. 353 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's not like Tyler Glasnaw was making 354 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: thirty starts a year for the Rays before he came 355 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: over to the Dodgers, So like I would just put 356 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: him in a separate category. Snell's thing seems to be 357 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: relatively minor, and they're just going to be kind of 358 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: careful with it. And that's sort of the uh, you know, 359 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: sort of the privilege of all the talent that they have. 360 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about it. 361 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: But you know, like, I don't know, is it something 362 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: that the Dodgers are doing that Clayton Kershaw's on the 363 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: ale or the fact that he's like pitched in the 364 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: majors for seventeen years, right, and then they've gone through, 365 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: you know a lot of stuff with you know, the 366 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Gavin Stones, the River Ryan's, the Machines, you know, all 367 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: those guys. They had that autopsy this past winter in 368 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: which they were trying to figure out kind of how 369 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: to keep guys healthy, and it's like, you're all these 370 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: guys who were coming off surgery. 371 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: They're not suddenly going to be healthy in twenty twenty five. 372 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: So some of that is just the residue from you know, 373 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: kind of what they were trying to fix with their 374 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: player developments system over the winter. 375 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: Okay, well, if you want more on obviously this series 376 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: in the big picture, then check out Andy's article right 377 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: now in The Athletic. Put a lot of good work 378 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: into it. Andy, thanks for joining us. Man appreciate it. 379 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Have a good one, guys, Thank you 380 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 3: you too.