1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number two and forty seven, 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: and today on the show, I'm joined by my buddy 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: and d i y white tail expert Andy May to 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: break down our recent Nebraska white tail hunt and the 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: full story of how I arrowed my thirteen point buck. 9 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought 10 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: to you by Onyx, and today we are telling you 11 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: a story. We're telling you the story of the hunt 12 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: that Andy May and I just got back on got 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: back from out in Nebraska, and I'm hoping this is 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: going to be a story that has some teaching moments, 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: I think because it was a pretty awesome hunt. It 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: was an interesting hunt, surprising hunt in a lot of ways. Um, 17 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: And the fact that I got to share it with 18 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: my buddy, Andy May, who I think is a great hunter, 19 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: who I've been able to learn a lot from, excuse me, 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: and who I also maybe give it cold over the 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: past couple days. And I'm coffing right now, Um, because 22 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: of all these reasons I think that I learned a 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: lot in this trip, and Andy, I think maybe you did. 24 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: Two Did you learn anything? Do you feel like we 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: came away from this hunt with some new AHAs? Yeah? 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely it was. You know, it was a short hunt, 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: so it was challenging, um, but definitely learned a lot 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: new terrain. For me for sure, I've never been that 29 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: far west for white tails, so I had to learn 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: on the fly, and we were able to do that 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: and get on dear. Yeah, it was. It's a really 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: interesting scenario. So that's why do I want to walk 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: everyone through this hunt, what we thought leading up to it, 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: kind of what our plan was, and then what happened 35 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: once we arrived and how we adjusted and figured things 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: out or try to fare things out over the course 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: of that four days or three and a half days 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And oh, by the way, I 39 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: did happen to kill a great buck, So that's exciting 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: and I'm excited to share that story too. So that's 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: kind of the game plan. We're gonna try to pull 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: some lessons learned out of this for everybody, and I 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: guess Andy, to kick things off, can you kind of 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: lay the foundation as far as what you were thinking 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: before this, Because you and me start talking, you had 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: gotten permission on this piece of property out in kind 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: of Centralish Nebraska. Um, what were you thinking leading into 48 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: this as far as what we were getting into. Well, yeah, 49 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: when I you know, first saw the property that we 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: were going to be hunting, UM, I got real excited because, 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: um it was rather large. Um you know, so I 52 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: was expecting an abundance of game. UM, it was had water, 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: which out west you know is uh like gold. So 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: UM it looked like a very um game rich river 55 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: bottom system. UM, very unique uh large hills, large sand 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: hills UM to the north and south and then and 57 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: then uh you know a river bottom running east and 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: west that had lots of terrain features and turns and 59 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: ox bows and just something really new to me. So UM, 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: I was expecting, I think, kind of the same thing 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: you were expecting, UM, something similar to what you had 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: seen in Montana with um, you know a lot of 63 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: deer kind of coming and going to you know, maybe 64 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: some of the egg fields on private land. UM. You 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: know that sort of thing. So we were expecting to 66 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: kind of observe from a distance and you know, maybe 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: pick out a couple of the nicer bucks and then 68 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: and move in from there. But it turned out much 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: different now leading up to it, right, so we need 70 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I want us have ever been to the property. It 71 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: was just looking at maps. So both you and I 72 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: spend time looking at aerial and topographic maps ahead of 73 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: time and trying to pick out a few places, a 74 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: couple of areas that we thought might be the best. Um. 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: And then our plan was to look at the maps, 76 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: plan some things out, and then when we arrived there 77 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: on day one, to try to verify these things and 78 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: lead you observe, um, what were the things in the 79 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: map that you were king in on before we ever 80 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: saw it? Well, um, you know, just kind of going 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: back on some of my experience. UM, I've done a 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: lot of hunts, like going in blind on areas that 83 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: I've never hunted before. But typically they're during the rut 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: um when you know that first two weeks in November, 85 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: when the bucks are kind of on their feet and 86 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: cruising and chasing, the dolls are moving and there's a 87 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: lot of action, and you can kind of put yourself 88 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: in some obvious positions, um, you know, and with some 89 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: tree stand time you can have some good luck and 90 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, dude to us scheduling, we were actually going 91 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: late October and more so kind of mid till late October, 92 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: you know. Um. So anyway, looking at the map, um, 93 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, the river corridor looked awesome. There was lots 94 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: of river bends you know, which you know, in my 95 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: experience is typically good betting a lot of pinch points 96 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: where ridge systems come down to the river and there 97 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: will be like an outside bend, um, you know, that 98 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: kind of pinches down travel. We expected white tails to 99 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: be kind of lower in elevation along the river, and 100 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: maybe some mule deer because there are mualies mixed in 101 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: up in the higher elevation, which I was really excited 102 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: about to to maybe get into some muli's um. But 103 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: that's some of the features that you know jumped out 104 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: there looked to be like there it was some some 105 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: green you know, maybe irrigated fields or some egg uh 106 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, on on one end. Um. But you know, 107 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: sometimes you can look at the map and it can 108 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: be a lot different um when you get there. Then 109 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: what you thought? So yeah, and I thought, even looking 110 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: at the maps, on of those green fields extended into 111 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: areas that you know, I thought we were gonna be 112 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: a little hunt, and I thought maybe there's some hay 113 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: fields and maybe a little bit of alfalfa or something 114 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 1: like you were mentioned, kind of similar to other places 115 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: I've hunted out west. So we figured we'd drive through 116 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: the night all night and get there first thing in 117 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: the morning and be able to glass crop fields and 118 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: hopefully see bucks. Um. So we do that, We drive 119 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: all night, We get there seven, we chat with a 120 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: landowner and two things. Number one Um, he mentioned that 121 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: he would like us to hunt just this one side 122 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: of the farm that isn't near the few crop fields 123 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: that they did have. So that was the first thing. 124 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: So he kind of points us in the direction. We 125 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: drive out in the direction that we are able to hunt. 126 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: And when we get out there, we realize there's no 127 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: there's no egg. It's just kind of brushy grass, dry 128 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: straw grass. Um. And then kind of cedars everywhere, cedar 129 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: choked kind of hillsides and things like that. And and 130 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: the second thing we saw is that this area had 131 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: cattle all over the place. UM. So I think right away, 132 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: you and me when we saw those two things, we 133 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: were already kind of looking at each other like, oh, um, 134 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: this isn't quite what we're hoping for. But we we 135 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: we drove down, we drove eight miles down this river, 136 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: um to this area where we could hunt, and then 137 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: we got up into these hills and just tried to 138 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: glass some country. Um. We thought we're gonna be glassing 139 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: agg fields. That wasn't the case. But we could see 140 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: kind of some of this river bottom stuff and then 141 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: some of the hills behind it. Um, so what we've 142 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: maybe spent that first hour or something like that just 143 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: glassing all those hillsides trying to see some deer, right, 144 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: and then um, I think we saw three or four 145 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: doughs and little buck and that was kind of it 146 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: for that first morning. We drove around a little more 147 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: trying to glass up some more stuff, but it was 148 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: slim pickings, right. Yeah. Yeah. The hills, like you said, 149 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: are are sand hills with just uh, you know, no 150 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: real food to speak of for white tail, like the 151 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: dry straw grass. We saw you know, a few moving 152 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: we weren't really at a good vantage point. We were 153 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: actually well I guess we were kind of high, and 154 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: but we were glassing up instead of down like we 155 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: kind of were hoping. Um, But we were just trying 156 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: to get a feel for the area. And like you said, 157 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: a lot of cattle, very few deer spotted. And I 158 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: think we both had a sense right there, like, Okay, 159 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: we got our work cut out for us on a 160 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: short hunt. UM didn't appear to be a high abundance 161 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: of deer initially. UM. And I think our strategy of 162 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, kind of what we went in with UM 163 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: kind of quickly changed, maybe maybe not changed dramatically. We 164 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: still wanted to find the bed and the feed pattern, UM, 165 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: which we eventually did, but it was much different than 166 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: what we were expecting. Yeah. And and another thing we 167 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: were hoping to do is we thought we were gonna 168 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: be across to both sides of the river, so we 169 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: had glass this area. We weren't seeing many deer. We thought, okay, well, 170 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: let's drive down a little further to the east check 171 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: out this spot and UM, cross the river there and 172 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: go up in the hills on the other side and 173 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: glass down from that. So we get out there that 174 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: we get to the river and we realized this river 175 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: is much bigger and deeper than we thought. UM. We 176 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: both brought hit boots thinking that that was gonna be okay, 177 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: and what what Well Andy, Andy goes out that he 178 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 1: pulls on his hip boots, like, well, I'm gonna try it, 179 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: I guess. We walked up and down and found one 180 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: spot that we thought maybe it might be okay, it 181 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: looks pretty sketchy, but gosh, you started slowly going out 182 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: there and you're a big stick in front of right. Yeah, 183 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: thank god. I grabbed the stick, um because I almost didn't. Um, 184 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, you could tell you know water, you know, 185 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: when it's deeper, it's kind of quicker moving. You don't 186 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: see ripples. Um. But three quarters of this spot where 187 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: I tried to cross definitely was shallow enough. Um So, 188 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: but the the beginning part looked a little sketchy. So 189 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: I grabbed a stick. I don't know, it's probably eight 190 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: foot tall, and I was just kind of inching forward. 191 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: You know. It's ankle deep, calf deep and pretty muddy, yeah, 192 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: pretty muddy. And then all of a sudden, um, you know, 193 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: I I'm hitting the stick on the bottom right front, 194 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it just the bottom just 195 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: drops off, like the whole eight foot plus um just 196 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: basically like a sheer drop off cliff that I totally 197 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: would have fell in and then swept down river. Um, 198 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: you were less than twelve inches probably from that edge 199 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: with your foot. I mean you're right there, that was 200 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, that's kind of kind of sketchy, like 201 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: you said. Yeah, so so we can't cross the river. 202 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: We've got cattle all over the country, we're not seeing 203 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: any deer, and there's no food. Um that's how the 204 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: trip started. And I remember you and me walking back, Yeah, 205 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: and we're thinking, oh man, this is ah, this could 206 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: be a complete flop. Um then we're okay, well, we 207 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: just need to set up camp and then look at 208 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: the maps again and reassess what's the next area we 209 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: should go look at. Because we did do a little 210 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: bit of walking down on that river. We thought there, 211 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: here's the section a good cover and there was a 212 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: strip of timber going along the river that we thought, man, 213 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: there should be some scrapes or something along here if 214 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: they were deer using it. And we were checking the 215 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: river crossings trying to see tracks, and we just weren't 216 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: seeing the number of tracks that we thought we should see. 217 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: And there were no scrapes. There was no sign that 218 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: we thought would be indicative of good deer activity or 219 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: good buck being in there, So figure a right, let's 220 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: go find a place out of camp. So we drive 221 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: this kind of I mean, the I can't even know 222 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: if you want to call it a a road. It's like 223 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: a it's like a trail almost that went along into 224 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: these hills. And so we're driving up and over these 225 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: hills of this barely seable trail that we're following, and um, 226 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: eventually kind of got to the spot where the where 227 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: the trail petered out and we couldn't see it any 228 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: see it any further. So I was like, all right, well, 229 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to drive this truck all over the 230 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: place not knowing what we're gonna get into, especially because 231 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: you come over some of these hills and there's like 232 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: steep cliff faces or these steep coolies. Um. I had 233 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: this perpetual paranoia that was gonna come over hill and 234 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: the truck was gonna drop straight down. Um. So we're 235 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: just following a spot on the hillside that was kind 236 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: of sheltered, you know, from wind, set up our tents, um. 237 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: And as we're setting out the tents, the winds like whipping, 238 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: and I'm we kept on like waffling back and forth, 239 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: like should we set it up here. Um, we're kind 240 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: of in a bowl, so I was hoping we were 241 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: kind of protected from the wind. But the wind was 242 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: whipping and it was supposed to get way worse like 243 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: a day and a half later. But we didn't want 244 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: our tent way down the bottom because we thought that's 245 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: where all the deer we're gonna be. Um. So then 246 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, man, this is We're just doomed. Like 247 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna have the tent blow away on day two. 248 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: We're not gonna see any deer. Um. We're just like 249 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of like we're already laughing at each other like, 250 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: oh God, like this is going to be a disaster. Um. 251 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: But I don't know, I mean what happened. Then I 252 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: think we set up camp and then it was basically 253 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: as soon as we have camp set, we're kind of thinking, 254 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: all right, we probably gotta get moving right and start 255 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: making a game plan. Yea, And uh, you know, I 256 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: think we I think we had an idea, um, you know, 257 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: just kind of I think we both had a bit 258 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: of experience with um, you know, pastured ground with cattle 259 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: and white tails, and you know, some white tails will 260 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: still hang out. But when they're thick in there, and 261 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: they're constantly moving through the thick color and thick cover, 262 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: and it's pastured to death. You know, they tend to 263 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: push the white tails out. Um, that's been my experience. 264 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, if there's a lot of cattle, not a 265 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: lot of white tails, there might be some still in 266 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: some pockets. But basically what we did is we just started. 267 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: After we set up camp, we started trekking west and 268 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: eventually we got to the end of the pasture where 269 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: the cows couldn't go any further. Unfortunately, that was quite 270 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: a ways from camp. You know, we didn't know that 271 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: at first, but we got past the cows, which eliminated 272 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, at least what would you say, six 273 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: of the ground we could hunt. Yeah, so, um, you 274 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: know the strategy in my head and I think yours too, 275 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: and we we we did a lot of good teamwork here, 276 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: like bouncing ideas off each other, and due to the 277 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: lack of sufficient food, um, you know, we kind of 278 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: started focusing on bedding and what we know about deer 279 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: bedding and buck betting in in river bottom systems. And 280 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: uh so it's a bit of river bottom, but it 281 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: also has ridges so you know, we were looking at 282 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: points going down from the ridges. We were looking at 283 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: the ox bows or the river bends. Every time there 284 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: was a river bend or what we were calling them, 285 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of like a bowl because what the 286 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: ridge came down into like a point or like a 287 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: bench um with a point, and then there would be 288 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: an oxbow or a river bottom. But it created like 289 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: a big flat space out there in that river bottom 290 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: um and we called it a bowl. And because that 291 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: was on the south side of the river, um that 292 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: the south side tends to get a little more shade 293 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: on a on a um, you know, when when the 294 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: sun's up in the sky and it's going down in 295 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: the evening, it tends to get a little more shade. 296 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: So that was the only area where we found any 297 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: bit of green. And when I say a little bit, 298 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: it was very little. It looked like little little mini 299 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: food plots of grass down there in those bowls. Yeah. 300 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: And then along the ridges were thick thick cedars um 301 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: so great cover all those ridges. And then like you mentioned, 302 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: there were little pockets of thick brushy stuff along the 303 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: river too, and then that that grassy flat spot in 304 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: the bowl. And so you and me. We we worked 305 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: past the cattle and we're kind of looking at our 306 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: maps the whole time, our phones, thinking about okay, what 307 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: might be good, and we kind of settled on the 308 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: idea of trying to get to a couple of these bowls, 309 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: maybe split up each of us on a different bowl 310 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: and kind of observe it, try to set up. We 311 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: went in with our saddles and sticks on our backs, 312 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: and the game plan being to get up into these spots, 313 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: slowly work our way into them and try to find 314 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: somewhere set up where hopefully we could see something but 315 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: also maybe be in a position to to shoot. And 316 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: we got to this first spot that you were gonna hunt. Um, 317 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: what did you like about that? First thought? Well, Um, 318 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: I was willing to sacrifice the first evening, which I 319 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: often am on a you know, on a trip where 320 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be moving a ton, 321 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: uh you know, like as far as like running behavior. 322 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: We were hoping that they'd be cruising, but a high 323 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: vantage point where I could see some of these bowls 324 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: and these ox bows. Um, I thought would be a 325 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: good first move, even on a short term hunt, because 326 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: really we knew we were gonna. We were at a 327 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: disadvantage on this hunt with time, unfamiliar ground, and then 328 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: even more disadvantage when we found out how low the 329 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: deer numbers were in this area, just there wasn't enough 330 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: nutrition to support a lot of deer. The area had 331 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: been hit with the h d um, you know, four 332 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: or five years ago and all you know, everything we 333 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: heard from the locals, they still haven't gotten back to 334 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: the numbers. They were maybe like half um. So, you know, 335 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: we had a couple of things stacked against us. But 336 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: I liked that area. I did have a potential shot, 337 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: a long one, but it was more less a good 338 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: glassing point. Um. So I stopped at that one and 339 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: and you decided to go to the next one. And 340 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: that was kind of our strategy, to just keep hitting 341 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: these these betting areas down the river to the west 342 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: until we found deer. And unfortunately the first night ended up. 343 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: You know, I found deer, and obviously you found some 344 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: deer um, so you can get and dive into that 345 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, So so I left you at 346 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: that spot you were kind of observing on that point, 347 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: watching that first bowl, and then I went way up 348 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: again up into the hills to go around your ball, 349 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: because I don't want to walk too close to the 350 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: top of your ridge and blow my wind down into there. 351 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: So I went way back up into the high hills 352 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: and then walked on continuing on further west, and it 353 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: ended up being about a two mile hike for me 354 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: to get from where a camp was to where I 355 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: eventually hunted um. But so I went way out into 356 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: the hills and then I'm looking at this bowl I 357 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: want to get to on my map, and I am 358 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: easing my way now, coming back towards the river, and 359 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: I get into the beginnings of some little cedar patch 360 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: is up in the hills, and I bump a small 361 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: eight pom he was betted at or standing up in 362 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: this little cool He goes running off, so I'm thinking, okay, 363 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm getting into him a little bit, but I'm still high, 364 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm still above the river. So I continue to ease. 365 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: But I see on the map now that I want 366 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: to almost head straight down to the river bottom now 367 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: to get to the the spot where i'd be on 368 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: the down wind side of this betting year, because I 369 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: don't want to blow into it. So I thought I'll 370 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: approach from the down wind side and just slowly ease 371 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: and glass and figure it, we'll see what's going on 372 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: in there. So as I'm dropping down this hillside, I 373 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: get to a gap there's some seaters. I get into 374 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: the gap in the seaters where I can see down 375 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: to the bottom completely into this bowl, and they're on 376 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: the edge of the river. I spotted deer. I pulled 377 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: my binoculars and it's a shooter like it's a nice, big, 378 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: mature a pointer. Um, So I got really excited and 379 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: I just remember like, oh my god, there's a nice buck. 380 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: And the first thing my first instinct was to try 381 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: to film him before I did anything else. And this 382 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: is actually looking I hadn't thought about this, but that 383 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: was probably a mistake. Um. If I hadn't done what 384 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you I did, I bet you 385 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 1: could have killed this deer because the first thing I did, 386 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: rather than trying to make a move on that deer, 387 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: and the first thing I want to do is get 388 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: footage of him. So I've taken off my backpack and 389 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to unzip my backpack to get my camera out, 390 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: which is at the very bottom of the pack. And 391 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: it took me like, I don't know, it felt like forever, 392 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: probably just the minute, but I'm like trying to pull 393 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: out different things, trying to find my camera. I finally 394 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: get the camera out and get it on him. I 395 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: get to film the deer and he's maybe two yards 396 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: away on the edge of the river, just kind of 397 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: feeding or I don't know. I can't even remember exactly 398 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: what he was doing. It's kind of like sitting around 399 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: looking at stuff, nibbling, um, just standing there. So I 400 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: get some footage of him, and then he actually starts 401 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: to walk. He gets puts set up and starts to walk, 402 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: and I think at this point like, oh wow, he 403 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: might come this direction. I bet you I can sneak 404 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: down and get a shot. So at this point I 405 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: dropped my camera. I grabbed my bow in an arrow, 406 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: and where I'm at is I'm on the side of 407 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: this ridge and then the ridge going down to the 408 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: bottom is covered in really thick cedar trees and it's 409 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: maybe a fifty ft dropped down this ridge to get 410 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: to the bottom, maybe maybe more of that maybe, um. 411 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: So I scurry over to the edge. I see that 412 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: he's kind of not walking straight towards me, but kind 413 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: of up the ridge away from me now, So I 414 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: think I can maneuver, and I go sliding down this 415 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: ridge as quietly as I can, but as quickly as possible. 416 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like shimming under branches and crawling on all 417 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: fours and laying down and sliding underneath these things. And 418 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: as I'm picking my way down through the seat or 419 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: take it to get to the bottom, I see antlers 420 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: come in my direction. I'm like, holy crap, he covered 421 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: a lot of ground, like he's close and coming right 422 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: at me now. And then my thought was, I wonder 423 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: if he heard like snapping branches or something, and thought like, oh, 424 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: there's some deer over there, and he's to come and 425 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: check them out. So I'm trying to get now quickly 426 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: up to the front, but also not move so much 427 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: that he sees me, because now he's heading right in 428 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: my direction. Basically, what ends up happening is he gets 429 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: closer and closer and then he starts trotting like right 430 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: at me. He's at like sixty fifty fifty forty, and 431 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm just at the edge of the trees, but one 432 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: set of limbs that are in front of me, and 433 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: I can't get around him in time. So I remember, 434 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I remember trying to maneuver my left arm around one 435 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: branch and then like, I need to push past one 436 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: more and then I could draw back and get a shot. 437 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: But he's at like he runs by it, like less 438 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: than twenty yards, but I can't get a shot through 439 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: the branches, and he goes trotten by and keeps on 440 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: working down that river bottom and goes around the point. 441 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: I tried a couple of calls at that point in 442 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: Hail Mary, but nothing. He disappeared, So I'm for I'm like, 443 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: oh man, that was awesome to see him, but I 444 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: didn't think the shot was so close. It was exciting. 445 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: But as I sat there and I thought through, Okay, 446 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: what do I do next, I realized, well, wow, that 447 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: was at three in the afternoon. He was up on 448 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: his feet and it kind of seemed like he was 449 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: almost cruising. I mean, it wasn't like he wasn't bumped, 450 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was chasing a deer. It wasn't 451 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: like he was kind of feeding, like he was on 452 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: the move. So I thought, wow, look at this location 453 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: as you described it, um Andy, this spot was just 454 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: like that example you brought which where there's this bowl 455 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: of flat ground middle there's ridge that circled around it, 456 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: and then the point came down towards the river and 457 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: pinched everything down to a very narrow area. And I thought, 458 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: if I get to that pinch point where the ridge 459 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: comes closest to the river, it's like a forty yard 460 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: space there that any deer that comes through would have 461 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: to pass by. So I sneak over to that spottle 462 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: all my gear and I find this little pinch and 463 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: I look at the hillside and I find there's some 464 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: cedars there and a couple of dead trees, and I 465 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: see a little shelf that's maybe I don't know, ten 466 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: ft up up the hillside, maybe just a little little 467 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: bit elevat on the hillside. I kind of crawl up 468 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: into there, and I start breaking some limbs and kind 469 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: of opening up a little kind of cubby hole for 470 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: me basically where I can be tucked into the cedar 471 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: and then like a little down tree in front of me. 472 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: And I've got several nice shot lanes into this little 473 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: bowl and towards this gap where they have to pinch 474 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: down into. And I got settled there, and um, I'll 475 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: admit I took a little tiny nap there in the 476 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: sun because we hadn't we hadn't, I hadn't slept a 477 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: wink to drove stream. We drove straight through the night, 478 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: and I couldn't sleep for whatever reason, so I hadn't 479 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: slept yet that night, so I fell asleep for like 480 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: half hour or something. I wake up and it's hot 481 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: and no deer yet, and I think it was like 482 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: two hours past since I've been set up, and I 483 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: finally see movement to my left, down kind of in 484 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: the same same general region where I saw the original buck, 485 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: and I pull up my binos and it's another big buck. 486 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: And the first thing I thought was, it's that same 487 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: deer again, but he's heading away from me now, and 488 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: I thought, man, he came back, but now he's going 489 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: the other way. But he turns his head and I 490 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: see a whole bunch more times, So right away I'm like, Okay, Wow, 491 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: this is a big deer. He saw a big body 492 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: on him, but he's walking kind of quickly away. So 493 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: I needed to get his attention and need to get 494 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: his attention fast, and I thought the best way to 495 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: do it would be a loud, aggressive call, So I 496 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: thought snort we's, so right away I grabbed my grunt 497 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: tube and I give a big snort we's, and that 498 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: stops and right in his tracks, and he turns and 499 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: looks back and he's probably maybe two yards away, looks 500 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: back at me for maybe thirty seconds to a minute, 501 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: and then turns and takes a few more steps and 502 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: then starts making a scrape. And then I watched him 503 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: for the minute and then he takes another suit stakes, 504 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: takes a few more steps walking away, so I snort 505 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: whis again. He stops, turns, looks at me, and this 506 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: is kind of that moment of truth where you're you're 507 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: looking at him and like, what's he gonna do? How 508 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: is he going to react? And then you've I'm sure 509 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: you've seen this where they take that initial like they 510 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: make like the eighty two return, where they repositioned themselves 511 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: right towards you, and that's just this like, oh yes, 512 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: this feeling of relief like he's gonna come. And he 513 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: starts taking those steps and starts walking right towards me, 514 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: and then I was like, holy smokes, this might actually work. 515 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: And he comes walking down his hillside he's on, drops 516 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: down into the bottom I'm in starts walking on a line, 517 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: and so as he was doing that, I got my 518 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: camera out, and I remember I brought my saddle and 519 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: my sticks in because I thought I was gonna hanging 520 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: from a tree, so I had my tree arm to 521 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: film fro him. Um, but because I'm on the ground, 522 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't use that, so I just had my handheld. 523 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: I had the camera handheld. So I'm holding the camera 524 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: in my hand videoing him as he's walking in. And 525 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: then eventually I'm like, okay, wow, he's really gonna come in. 526 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: I can't I can't fiddle with a camera anymore. So 527 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: I just set the camera to keep it on record, 528 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: and I set it kind of pointing in front of 529 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 1: me into the grass, and then I had my go pro. 530 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: I turned on the go pro and pointed that at me, 531 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: and this buck's walking down. Now he's maybe a hundred 532 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: yards away, ninety yards away, eighty yards away, but now 533 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: he starts to turn like he's going to go into 534 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: the cedars before he gets to me. So I grabbed 535 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: my grunt tube again and I point the tube in 536 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: the opposite direction of me, so he's to my left. 537 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: I point the tube to my far right so that 538 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: it sounds like a deer is down that way, because 539 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: I want to pull him to the right in front 540 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: of me, so I grunt twice. He turns, looks again, 541 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: and then turns on a nine degree angle and comes 542 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: now straight down the line towards me. And he just 543 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: comes stamping in. And he did exactly what I wanted. 544 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't have drawn it up any better. And um, 545 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: he goes behind that one little dead tree. I draw back, 546 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: and he's moving and quickly though, like not trotting, but 547 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: like a very fast walk. He's not like pausing. He's 548 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: just like on a mission though. And I just remember thinking, 549 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: oh crap, he's gonna he's gonna be in my lap 550 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: here if I don't get a shot quickly. And so 551 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: I just stopped him with up matt and shop. The 552 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: shot was slightly quartering too, and the shot hit to 553 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: the left a little bit of where I wanted to be. 554 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: So because of that quartering to angle, and because I 555 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: pulled it, you know a little bit to the left, 556 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: the shot was back and angling into his you know, 557 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: back quarter of him. So I see him go running 558 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: off instantly when I saw that shot where hit. I 559 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: was just like, ah, I was really upset with the shot. Um, 560 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: and he goes running off your runs off maybe add 561 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: twenty yards and stops and just stands there. I'mthing, Okay, 562 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: I you know, either liver shot him or I definitely 563 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: definitely because of the angle. It definitely angled into the 564 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: into the gut section. So I'm not happy at all 565 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: with the shot. Watch him stand there and he turns 566 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: and start slowly walking away, and I can see, I 567 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: can now see the arrow of the arrow had not 568 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: passed through. It had lodged in his back and his 569 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: opposite back leg um, but you can see blood. You 570 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: can see he was hurting, and I could watch him. 571 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: So basically what happened then is I watched as he 572 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: slowly walked over into this kind of thick brushy area 573 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: which is where that original eight pointer had been, and 574 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: he beds down there for the rest of the evening. 575 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: Then I watched him better there. He was bettered. He 576 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: got up once and then rebetted, And the whole time 577 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm kicking myself because of the shot, 578 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, should I try to go get another 579 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: shot at him? Or should I just wait, because I 580 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: know that if I don't push him, he should be there. Um. 581 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: So I'm going back and forth, back and forth, back 582 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: and forth. But I just the way he was bettered 583 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: down and the way the river was, he was better 584 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: tight to the river. So the only way I could 585 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: get to within shot range of him, I'd have to 586 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: go around the river bend and come up to him, 587 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: and it would force me to approach from his left side, 588 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: where he would be able to see me. Like, there's 589 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: no way to sneak up behind him because of the river. 590 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,239 Speaker 1: So I just did not think there was any way 591 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: could get close up to shoot him without him seeing 592 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: me or hearing me. And the wind had died down. 593 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: It was completely still. Everything was crunchy and um and 594 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: that was That was basically how that night ended. I 595 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: just I'd decided to wait and watch him. So I 596 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: just want to keep eyes on him as long as 597 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: I possibly could. Stuff if he did, you know, if 598 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: he wasn't dead and he jumped up off of his bed, 599 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: I'd see where he went before dark and um, and 600 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: that was that was the evening. I had a dark 601 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: had a two mile hike back out and um, and 602 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: that was kind of like a frustrating hike for me 603 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: because I've been so excited about how the hunt went 604 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: and then I found this buck and being able to 605 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: pull it off on the ground. Um. But then it 606 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: was really frustrated because the shot wasn't perfect um, and 607 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: I felt like I had kind of reverted a little 608 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: bit to my bad habits of rushing the shots. And 609 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: you and me have been working on this together. Um, 610 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: You've been you know, someone who's been trying to help 611 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: me deal with a little bit of this like target 612 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: panic rush and the shot kind of thing that I've 613 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: done in the past. So I switched to this new 614 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: kind of the whole process that I've been working on 615 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: and trying to use a back tension style UM follow through, 616 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 1: and that all just kind of you know, in the 617 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: heat of the moment it flew out the window. It 618 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: was like I had to get the shot now. He 619 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: was passing by my one lane, and I think that 620 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: caused me to pull that shot just a little bit. Um. 621 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: And I think between that and the angle that resulted 622 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: in that that hit being farther back that I wanted. UM. 623 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: So I mean you saw my when I always I 624 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: arrived back at camp late that night, and I mean 625 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: I was kind of down, wasn't I? Yeah? Yeah, I 626 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: mean you you said, do you want to hear the 627 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: good news or the bad news first? So I knew 628 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: something pretty crazy it happened. Um, and then you told 629 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: me what happened, and you know, we were able to 630 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: watch the footage and you know, going back to the 631 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: shot execution thing. Um, you know you've you've been you know, 632 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: fairly diligent trying to work on you know, changing your 633 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: shot pro tess and changing the way you um, the 634 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: way you shoot completely, um, going from kind of a 635 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: command or trigger puncher to more of a back tension 636 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: style unanticipated release. But what that tells me is that 637 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't ingrained fully you you worked on it. I 638 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: think you worked on it kind of a lot early on, 639 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: and then kind of intermittently here and there, and then 640 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: you'd have some little flare ups, uh, you know when 641 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: you're practicing with buddies and stuff like that of kind 642 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: of your old issues, and you know, I think it 643 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: just you you worked on the process, but it wasn't 644 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: totally ingrained. Uh, you know it was. It didn't become habit, 645 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: it didn't become automatic. Um, because I used to have 646 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: the same issues, and I worked on it and worked 647 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: on it, worked until my brain knew no other way 648 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: there was there was That's all I did for you know, 649 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: five six months, and there was no way that it 650 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: was going to go back my my brain didn't even 651 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: understand the old way anymore. So I think it just 652 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, this offseason will work on a little more. Um. 653 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: You know, that's an intensive situation. You know, you had 654 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: a big buck coming in, um, ground level. Um, you 655 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: know he's good. You you have we're on the ground, 656 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: tucked up in you know, these little pockets of cedars. 657 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: It's not like you have giant shooting lanes everywhere. You 658 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: gotta pick these little holes. So you know, it's easy 659 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: on those real intense, high pressure situations to kind of 660 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: fall back into that. UM. So I you are kind 661 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: of harder on yourself than I thought you needed to be. Um. 662 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't a perfect shot. A perfect shot, but bow 663 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: hunting isn't perfect. Um. You know, Uh, things happen, um, 664 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: and ultimately you you put a killing shot on this deer. 665 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: It just wasn't perfect. And you know there's might be 666 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: guys out there that are gonna dog. You for this, 667 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: but everybody's makes mistakes. Everybody puts bad shot shots on deer. 668 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: I put bad shots on deer. It happens, um, you know, 669 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: and when that happens, you can't beat yourself up. You 670 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: got to think about what you need to do from 671 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: there forward recovering the deer. And you know, then a 672 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: good thing to do is is really analyze what you 673 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: did wrong, what was my mistake, and then from there 674 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: on forward try to try to work on that, try 675 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: to minimize that mistake, eliminate it completely so that that 676 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: stuff doesn't keep happening. Yeah, I think that's the really 677 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: important part you and we were talking through that night afterwards. 678 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Was like, like you said, I was pretty upset with 679 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: myself about it, and really, um just upset because I 680 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,239 Speaker 1: worked so hard to try to fix this and then 681 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: to have it happened again. It was really frustrating, and 682 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: I hated the idea of possibly wounding a deer because 683 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: of it. Um, So I was. I was upset, But 684 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: then at some point I was like, Okay, there's nothing 685 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: you can do about what has happened, so you have 686 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: to stop beating yourself up about the past like that. 687 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: That that's water under the bridge. Now, all you can 688 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: change is what you do in the future. So I 689 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: just was, you know, I have to re read um, 690 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: dedicate myself to working even harder to get better at this, 691 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: to figuring out what else I need to do to 692 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: make the second habit, to make this so so that 693 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm minimizing any kind of mistake like this more and 694 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: more and more, and UM, just I'm not I'm not 695 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: ever going to settle. I'm not gonna settle for good enough. 696 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna settle for well. Most of the time 697 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: the shot is good. But ever once in a while 698 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: you pull one. Um, Like you said, things do go 699 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: wrong with bow hunt and you can't be perfect. But 700 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: I think it is important to try to always strive 701 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: to be more perfect. So so, like we talked about, 702 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: I know, going into this year, I'm gonna try some 703 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: new things. We're gonna try an actual back tension release 704 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: attention style release um and just get the whole finger 705 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: thing out of it. So I just can't so that 706 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: my brain can't just like flip into this different mode 707 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: because it just all the things I worked on so hard, 708 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: like this whole mantra that I say in my head 709 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: and all those things like it all just disappeared in 710 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: that second because it was just it was just I 711 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: wasn't nervous, I wasn't shaking. It wasn't like buck fever 712 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: at all. It was just like, you have to get 713 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: the shot. And it was just like I knew I 714 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: drew Everything was like great, calm, cool, I drew back. 715 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: But it was like as soon as I drew back 716 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: and he was there, I just had to shoot. It 717 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: just happened. Um, And that is not the way I 718 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: want to be shooting. So I know I've got some 719 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: work to continue to do on that, and UM that's 720 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: going to be the plan moving forward to continue working 721 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: on it. And right now I'm even though in the 722 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: midst of the season, I'm going to continue with shooting 723 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: and trying to work and try to prepare myself as 724 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: best as it possibly can for the rest of the season. Um, 725 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 1: and then come off season, I think we're in tear 726 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: it back down and start a new again, and UM, 727 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: see if I can't improve this thing even more so. UM. 728 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: That said, it was kind of a tough night, but 729 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: we did feel like based on the shot, UM, assuming 730 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: he didn't get pushed by coyotes overnight. Um, he should 731 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: be he should be right there. So we got up 732 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: bright and early next morning and kind of thought, all right, well, 733 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: Andy still has got tag. Why don't we just sneak 734 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: back in and at first light just sit the same 735 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: spot that I sat and see if a deer came 736 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: in for you. It was real cold overnight, so we 737 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: knew everything was gonna be fine on that standpoint um. 738 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: And then after we sat for a little bit, then 739 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: we could go and hopefully find my dear uh walk 740 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: us through what happened that morning. Yeah, so we're kind 741 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: of hoping that uh, that nice or eight that you 742 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: saw might come back to bed because it appeared as 743 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: though he was betting on that river bend um and 744 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: if not right there, maybe just up on the ridge 745 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. Some of the deer were betting 746 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: just on that first bench or that first uh. It 747 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: was almost like the ridgehead um, different levels, different benches, 748 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: so it seemed like a lot of them are on 749 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: that first bench that had cedars on it, and then 750 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: they would kind of dip down into this bowl where 751 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: it was green. So we're we're in a position where 752 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: you shot your deer where if he comes back to 753 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: bed um, you know, we might get a shot at him. 754 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: And hopefully he hadn't been back already and seen the 755 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: commotion and all that kind of stuff. So we sat. 756 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: We were both glassing diligently to see your deer, and 757 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: initially we didn't um, and then all of a sudden 758 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: you spotted him and you say, I think I saw 759 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: my dear, And we looked and he had made it, 760 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: you know, maybe an other twenty thirty yards down the river, 761 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: but there he was playing his day, big reck, uh, 762 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, sticking up, and we started celebrating and not 763 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 1: being very stealthy. Yeah, such a feeling of relief. Yeah, 764 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: I was so I was so just. I was so 765 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: nervous that, you know that if if he did get 766 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: up and move again, or if coyotes pushed him or something, 767 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: we were gonna be a find him. And I was 768 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: worried because there wasn't an exit wound, there wouldn't be 769 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: a great blood trail, and I've been stressing about all 770 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: these things. And oh, it felt so good that he 771 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, it might be good to mention this 772 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: place was loaded with coyotes. Um, we were we were 773 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: camping in the middle of nowhere, like an hour from 774 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: the nearest road, and all night long, just surrounded by coyotes, 775 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 1: different packs howling. I mean, it was just a beautiful sound, 776 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: but there there was a lot so that was a concern. 777 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: But when we did watch the replay of your buck, 778 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: we could see, um, you know that that arrow had 779 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: went through and hit that back leg and he wasn't 780 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: using it and he wasn't gonna far. Um, So we 781 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: knew that he would be in his first or second 782 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: bed and and we'd find him. And uh, you know, 783 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: the shot could have been better, but it did the 784 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: job and we were able to find him. But before 785 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: we went and found him, something fairly exciting happened. Um. 786 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: You spotted a buck coming down out of the sandhills 787 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: from across the river, and without putting your glass up, 788 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: it looked like a dough. But you put your glass 789 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, it's a nice buck. Nice buck. 790 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: So it came and it dipped down into the river. 791 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: And this is something that I thought was pretty interesting, um, 792 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: because you know, you and I think we worked real 793 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: good together. We had a lot of the same thoughts. 794 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: We were kind of bouncing ideas off each other. I 795 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: had an idea, you had an idea, and a lot 796 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: of times we came to like a compromise or you know, 797 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: or something that we we were just kind of figuring 798 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: things out together. And there was that that one instant 799 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: where you your instinct was to call to him, and 800 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, my instinct was to try to sneak 801 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: up on him and get a shot. And it was 802 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: just two different styles. There's no right or wrong. You know, 803 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: five times out of ten, I might have tried to 804 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: call him. That might have been my first instinct, but 805 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: because when I saw him dip down in the river, 806 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 1: I thought, wow, I can cover fifty yards and get within, 807 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, fifty sixty yards of this deer. And then 808 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: when I thought it through more, um, you know, there 809 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: would have been probably a thirty yard area where I 810 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: might have been pretty exposed. But I think after hunting 811 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: out West the last few years, I'm really I'm really 812 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: liking the sneaking in on game, so kind of addicted 813 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: to that. But we tried the calling. Yeah, yeah, I 814 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: tried the grunt call um. And the river it was 815 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: kind of it was a little windy, um, you know, 816 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: the river had a decent amount of noise, and he 817 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: was just a little too far away to hear it. 818 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: So then I brought out the rattling antlers, and uh, 819 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: you would have thought I slapped that deer on the 820 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: ass as hard as I could, because the second I 821 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: touched those, he like took off like he got shot, 822 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: you know. He yeah, he took off. He took off 823 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: up the hill and ran, I don't know, another hundred 824 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: fifty yards and just stopped, looked back at us, and 825 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: then he did something really interesting, which indicates how low 826 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: the pressure was out there. He just started feeding. He started, 827 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: he relaxed completely and he started feeding under this tree 828 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: that was very different than a lot of the cedars 829 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: and and other things that so it's very easy to spot. Um. 830 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember saying that. I said, 831 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: I said, I think I can kill that buck right there, 832 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: because he he kind of went back and he kind 833 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: of went back up, you know, into bed. So we 834 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: had an idea, you know, he would probably be close 835 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: to there. You did say that, You're like, I bet 836 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: you we'd kill that deer right there again. Um, And 837 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: he was like he was like a nice eight point 838 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: like to the years eight pointer. Yeah, nice dear um 839 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: on a short trip um. You know, I was probably 840 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: looking for something a little bigger, but on a short 841 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: trip um, especially you know the hand we were dealt 842 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: with the cattle and lack of deer and food and stuff, 843 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: I would have been I would have been happy to 844 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: take that deer um. But anyway, after he kind of 845 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: cleared off, I said, you know what, let's just go 846 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: get your deer. I wanted to see him as bad 847 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: as you did. So we got out of there, and uh, 848 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: we started the recovery. Yeah, and that was that was awesome, 849 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: getting the getting a walk up on him. And I 850 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: had been worried about coyotes to given the fact, just 851 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: like you said, there were so many of them. Even 852 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: though we saw him there, you couldn't fully see him. 853 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: So then I started worrying, do you think the yokes 854 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: got on him? And did they tear him up? And 855 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: did we lose a bunch of meat? And we walked 856 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: up there and they did get on him, but they 857 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: didn't eat nearly as much as I was worried they 858 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: might have. They kind of ate a little bit of 859 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: the back um rump of him. But that was it. 860 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: So it could have been certainly could have been worse. Um, 861 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: And it was just a huge, huge relief to walk 862 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: up on there. And he was a beautiful mature buck, definitely, 863 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, four or five years old and uh seven 864 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: points on one side, six on the other, a typical 865 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: seven by six thirteen pointer. Never have I shot a 866 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: thirteen point typical block before, So how often do you 867 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: see that? I mean it was like it was just 868 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: a picket fence of perfect times. I mean, he was incredible. 869 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: He was one of the coolest dear you know I've 870 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: seen like on a trip like this. I mean he 871 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: was just he was awesome, I mean so unique. You 872 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: would you know, you wouldn't be able to duplicate a 873 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: buck like that, you know, in a hundred years. No, 874 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: you don't see hi any dear, um that have seven 875 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: points on the side like that, just straight typical, nice tiense, 876 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: just a beautiful, beautiful animal, big old chunky head on him, 877 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: dark forehead. UM. I mean, I just could not have 878 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: been happier the way it turned out. And you know, 879 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: when we when we came back afterwards, UM, I was 880 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: kind of talking about, you know how there was a 881 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: lot of decisions that I made on that hunt. Like 882 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: it was a it was a quick you know, it 883 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: was the first day. But there's a lot of things 884 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: that happened that first day that I was really proud of, 885 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: Like decisions I made UM that led to this that 886 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: you know that I can see that ten years ago, 887 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made these decisions, so it's kind of 888 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: indicative of progress that I've made. UM that I was 889 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: really proud of, you know, the decision to try to 890 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: sneak in and scout this area and pick this area, 891 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: this the area wanted hunt and that was a good decision. 892 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: The fact that when I saw that first buck, that 893 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: I made a move on him and then didn't get 894 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: it done, but learned something from it that led me 895 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,839 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I need to hunt this spot now 896 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: because of that. UM, that was a good decision that 897 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: I was proud of. UM. You know, the decisions on 898 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: when to call and how to call, and how I 899 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: was able to do that that was Those are decisions 900 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: that in the past maybe I wouldn't have made the 901 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: right way that worked out. I was proud of that. 902 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: UM being able to get a shot even without a 903 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: blind blind while on the ground. UM, even though that 904 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: shot didn't end up being perfect. I was I was 905 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: proud to have been able to, you know, have that opportunity. 906 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: So all those things are things that made me feel 907 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: pretty good that I made progress as a hunter, that 908 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 1: I'm doing things the right way, learning things, getting better. Um. 909 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there's I said 910 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: this to you, I was like, there's a whole hell 911 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of lot in this one too, you know, 912 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: to be able to for that dear to be there 913 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: on the first in the first spot that I was 914 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: checking out. Um, So I was really proud of how 915 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: things went. And then I was also just very very 916 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: thankful for that luck though that it all kind of 917 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: went my way. Um, because there's some years where you 918 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: make a lot of good decisions and you don't have 919 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: that luck and it doesn't go the way you want to. 920 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, hey, I want to tell you too, like, um, 921 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, you were you felt kind of proud that 922 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: you made these decisions and um, you know, calling that 923 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: deer in and after you know, after my attempt at 924 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: calling my book and he took off like a bad 925 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: out of hell, I felt pretty uh pathetic. Yeah, these 926 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: bucks are easy to call in and you know, my 927 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: attempt had the exact opposite effects. So thanks for that 928 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: about that, Andy, But but yeah, you know, I got lucky. 929 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna complain about that though. And um, it 930 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: was just so cool how it all came together, how 931 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: unique it was. And then another cool thing about it 932 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,439 Speaker 1: is that because we were so far away from the truck, um, 933 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: we decided, you know what, let's just quarter him out. 934 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: Um that bucket killed in Montana earlier this year. I 935 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: was so ingrained in like Midwestern white tail mode that 936 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: I thought I gotta just gut him and drag him out. 937 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: And it was a bear to do that. So this 938 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: time around was like, you know what, No, I'm gonna 939 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: pack this sucker out. And you fortunately had game bags, Um, 940 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: but they're back in the truck. So you decide you 941 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: were in a high alla back to the truck and 942 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: get the game bags while I worked on quartering him 943 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: out and skinning him out, and then hopefully by the 944 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: time that you got back, I'd be almost done. Um. 945 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: And so that's basically what happened. But you actually were 946 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: able to maneuver the truck closer, so we didn't have 947 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: nearly as bad as a hikes. That was nice. Um, 948 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: And we got him all quartered out, skinned out, and 949 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: packed up on our backpacks and hiked out of there 950 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 1: with him and had a had a not too long 951 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: a hike, a little bit of a step hike, but 952 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: definitely nicer doing it in the backpack then dragging him 953 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: up there. Probably. Yeah, And I, you know, I should 954 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 1: probably add I, um, quickly into this hunt, I started 955 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: having some I suffered from some pretty significant back issues, 956 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: but normally with exercise and and some medication that you know, 957 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: I kind of keep it controlled somewhat. But I was 958 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,919 Speaker 1: having some pretty significant nerve pain that started on day 959 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: two and started increasing rapidly. Was kind of shooting down 960 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: my leg into my foot and it was rather painful. 961 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: So I I never said this to you, but I 962 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: was actually terrified to drag that deer. I would much 963 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: rather put it on my back and try to Yeah, um, 964 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: I've had this issue before a few years ago, and um, 965 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: it's a it's a nightmare. So I was. I was 966 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: kind of in panic mode. Um, And I was able to, 967 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, obviously get home and take some medicine and 968 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of starting to feel a lot better now. 969 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: But I thought it was cool just you know, our 970 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: whole hunt was like a back country whitetail hunt. I 971 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: mean there was no showers. We you know, brought our 972 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: own food in um, and we know we were hiking, 973 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, two plus smiles to to get to our spots, 974 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: and it was just fitting to pack him out like that. 975 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: It was. It just made the whole story that much cooler. 976 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, the first I've ever done that with 977 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: the white tail, and uh, like you said, just just 978 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: a cool way to wrap up my portion of that experience. UM. 979 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, So we we got him out and I 980 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 1: headed I decided to drive back to town to try 981 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: to get more ice for my cooler because I had 982 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: NiFe ice to to get him. So what it is, 983 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: We got him back to camp and then we did 984 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: like a really rough butcher like just basically chunked out 985 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: as much as immediately we could get in the cooler 986 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: and put the ice that I had on it. Um, 987 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: but I wanted to get more ice, and then I 988 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: also wanted to make sure that the cape and the 989 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: head um could be preserved and not riding out in 990 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,439 Speaker 1: the sun for the next three days. So I thought 991 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: I drived the nearest town which was Um. From we 992 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: were camped to that town was like two and a 993 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: half hours UM. But I was able to find a 994 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: tax the dermist that who could keep it and freeze 995 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: it out or keep it out and freeze it. So 996 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: that's what I did for us the evening. You stuck 997 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 1: it out and hunted Um. Walk us through what you 998 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: did from there. Before we get to that, they'll want 999 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: to take a quick second to thank our friends over 1000 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 1: at White Tailed Properties and plug one of their recent videos. 1001 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: As we've been talking over the past few months, they've 1002 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: got this land Beat video series over on the White 1003 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: Tailed Properties YouTube channel. 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So, um, I basically went um down 1021 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: to the other side of the bowl where you had 1022 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: killed your deer, so further west. We that was kind 1023 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: of the trend after you killed We just kept pushing 1024 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: further and further west. But I went and set up 1025 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: where I thought I could get a shot at that 1026 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: dark corn to eight. Um. So I had marked on 1027 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: the on X maps when we were recovering your deer 1028 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: where I thought he kind of went up to bed 1029 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 1: and then I hiked back in, uh slowly snuck down 1030 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: um through a little draw and again. Um. You know, 1031 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: our our intention were to use the saddles, um because 1032 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: it's we both love them and they're kind of ultimate 1033 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: and mobility. But in reality, here are very few trees 1034 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: we could even get in, and the ones that you 1035 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 1: could get in a lot of times were right in 1036 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,319 Speaker 1: the middle of those bowls, so I feel like deer 1037 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: would have seen you. And they required immense amount of trimming. 1038 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: So all of our hunts, every single one, ended up 1039 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: from the ground. Um. And so what we did. What 1040 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: I did was I snuck down this straw and then 1041 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: I tucked back up into these this little cedar like 1042 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,720 Speaker 1: a little cubby like you had before, within within shooting 1043 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: distance of where that buck had been feeding earlier that morning. 1044 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: And when I got all set up, you know, I'm 1045 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,439 Speaker 1: kind of getting all squared away, and I looked down 1046 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: on my chest no binoculars and no range finder, and 1047 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: I live and die by those. I'm a glass ar. 1048 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 1: I love glassing. They've you know, they have been uh. 1049 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: They've helped me kill lots of animals, identify you know, 1050 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: bucks to see if they're big enough to go after 1051 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: a long ways away. And my range finder, you know, 1052 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,359 Speaker 1: I thirty yards an in sure I can to mate 1053 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: and be pretty deadly beyond that. I don't practice that 1054 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: as much as I should. I will now after I 1055 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: tell you the rest of the story. But I don't 1056 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: feel comfortable shooting past thirty without a range finder. I 1057 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: just don't I'm not good enough at it. You know, 1058 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: if you're five six seven yards off, you know, once 1059 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: you get out to like forty yards, that's that's a 1060 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,800 Speaker 1: wounded or missed animal. So, um, I felt kind of naked. 1061 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: But I estimated where twenty was. I estimated where thirty 1062 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: thirty was, and I was like, you know what, a 1063 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: million deer killed within thirty yards every year. So no, biggie. 1064 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,800 Speaker 1: And uh So I'm sitting there and you know, uh, 1065 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,919 Speaker 1: the evenings progressing, and I hear down by the river, 1066 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: I hear something scraping, and I'm like, oh man, there's 1067 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: a buck right down there. I couldn't see him yet, 1068 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: and then here he comes pops up right in front 1069 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: of me, and it's that eight and he comes right 1070 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: to that same exact spot right or we thought we 1071 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: could kill him. And he's right there broadside, feeding without 1072 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 1: a care in the world. And he's at forty forty nine. 1073 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,719 Speaker 1: Wasn't sure within my shooting range. I was very comfortable 1074 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: with that shot, but I didn't know, and um, I 1075 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: was like, you gotta be kidding me, you know. So 1076 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: I'm just hoping he's going to come closer. Um, and 1077 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't. So he ends up kind of feeding off 1078 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,359 Speaker 1: to my left. He's getting a little farther now, so 1079 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 1: that I'm like, okay, you know, I'm okay letting this 1080 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 1: deer go, but I'm gonna try to call him in, 1081 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: but I want I didn't want to call him when 1082 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: he was in view of me, so I was gonna 1083 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,479 Speaker 1: let him get out of sight so that he would 1084 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 1: have to come investigate. He I didn't want to be 1085 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 1: able to see where the call is coming from. But 1086 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: keep in mind, this is the deer that you know, 1087 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,400 Speaker 1: it's probably the most callish idea in the United States. 1088 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: He goes, he goes down and into these theaters and 1089 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: I can just kind of see the top of his 1090 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: back when he's out of you, and I just give 1091 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,359 Speaker 1: a real soft grunt to my right, trying to sound 1092 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,919 Speaker 1: like I was far away, and boom, he just takes off. 1093 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,719 Speaker 1: He's gone. So I think your buck, the buck you 1094 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 1: killed and kicked his butt a few times or something. 1095 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: But he was Yeah, he was a one scared animal. 1096 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: But h so, you know, been hunting a long time, 1097 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: I forget the things, never have forgotten my range finder, 1098 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: and it cost me. It ended up costing me. You 1099 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: know that deer and ultimately the success on this trip. Um, 1100 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: So it's okay. Um I I didn't beat myself up 1101 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 1: about it too bad. Um, I was okay with that. 1102 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 1: That deer was very nice. I would have been super proud, 1103 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,760 Speaker 1: but I had had a good season already. I didn't 1104 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,959 Speaker 1: feel overwhelming pressure to get a deer on this trip. 1105 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, when you shot your deer, 1106 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: I felt really successful. Um. I was hoping to get 1107 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 1: one out of this trip on such a short time frame, 1108 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: and uh, I felt really good about it. Yeah. But 1109 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,840 Speaker 1: you you, you you were kind of kicking yourself a 1110 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,760 Speaker 1: little bit. You're like, gosh that you know, as as 1111 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: an experienced season hunter to do that, and then you 1112 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,120 Speaker 1: rookie MISTAKEE rookie mistake. And then you did say that 1113 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: one big thing that this made you think about that 1114 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: you want to do more is is work on really 1115 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,320 Speaker 1: nailing down accurately estimating ranges with your eyeball without a 1116 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: range finder, right, yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's three 1117 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 1: D shooters that that can do it. Um. And I 1118 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: am always been more of like a known yardage guy. 1119 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: You know, if I know the yardage, you know I 1120 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: can hit the center. Um, but you get me out 1121 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: past thirty yards. You know I'm not reliable, Um, but 1122 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I should be able to 1123 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: do that. I still want to range everything I'm gonna 1124 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: shoot at, but there might be a scenario when you 1125 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: have to make that quick decision and still within your 1126 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: effective range. I certainly can improve on the yardage estimation 1127 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: and definitely gonna work on it. Yeah, And something related 1128 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 1: to this that you brought up actually on our car 1129 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: drive home. I thought it was pretty Italian and kind 1130 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: of while we were on this hunt, unbeknownst to you, 1131 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: I was kind of analyzing like how you do things 1132 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,240 Speaker 1: and and why you did things, and trying to understand 1133 00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: your thought process, just you know, because you're obviously are 1134 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: you very successful. I've I've kind of looked up to 1135 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,680 Speaker 1: you for a long time and learned a lot from you, 1136 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 1: but I wanted to see it in person and and 1137 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,839 Speaker 1: kind of see, you know, what I could take away 1138 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 1: from that. And one of the things I really noticed 1139 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: is just your level of of thoughtfulness about everything and um, 1140 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 1: and the degree of analysis that you go through from 1141 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: Eric when it comes to any decision or when something happens, 1142 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,439 Speaker 1: thinking back on why did that happen? How did it happen? 1143 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: What do I take from that situation? And you told 1144 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: me when we're driving home that you document all of 1145 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 1: your hunts. You've done it since like I don't know 1146 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: how long you've done it, twenty years or fifteen years 1147 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,240 Speaker 1: or something like that. The first year, so you document 1148 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: all the deer sightings and hunts and everything you've learned. 1149 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 1: But then something I thought was really interesting was every 1150 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 1: shot opportunity you have a buck, So if you kill 1151 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: the buck, or you missed the buck, or you had 1152 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: a shot and distant quite happened, you document each single 1153 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,120 Speaker 1: one of those instances and you write out the Well, 1154 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,319 Speaker 1: rather me, tell tell me how you do that, UM, 1155 00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: tell us how you do that? Because I thought was 1156 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: really interesting what you do and how you use this 1157 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,399 Speaker 1: as a way to learn from each one of those opportunities. Yeah, 1158 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 1: so it's basically just a little short story of what happened. 1159 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 1: So let's say I kill a buck and i'll i'll, 1160 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 1: you know, jot down you know what the deer did, Um, 1161 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,120 Speaker 1: the way he was moving, what what did I think 1162 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: he was doing, the way he was traveling, time of year, 1163 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 1: All this kind of stuff. Basically lay a big layout 1164 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: of the story when I'm successful, you know, at the 1165 00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: end of that, I will kind of highlight three or 1166 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,880 Speaker 1: four things that I did right that helped me be successful, 1167 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,279 Speaker 1: and just things to really kind of focus on this. 1168 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: This is what you did right. This was a learning 1169 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: experience you you did these rights, So these these things 1170 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 1: are good. Um. When I missed an animal, which I 1171 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,480 Speaker 1: have missed, um, I do the same thing. I write 1172 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: out the story. That was an opportunity, That was a 1173 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: buck that should have been mine. Um, you know, and 1174 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 1: I made a mistake. Now what was my mistake? Did 1175 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: I draw too early? That was I over aggressive and calling? 1176 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: Was he too alert at the distance he was? Um? 1177 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: You know it was it was the way my tree 1178 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,840 Speaker 1: stand was positioned. Was I sticking out like a blob 1179 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: and he picked me out? It could be a number 1180 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: of things. Um, But I will write down what I 1181 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 1: thought cost me that hunt, the thing that cost me 1182 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,919 Speaker 1: that dear um. And the same thing. When a shot 1183 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 1: isn't presented or isn't presented, but it should have been. Um, 1184 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 1: you know something that I did that if I wouldn't 1185 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: have done this, or if I would have done this differently, 1186 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,360 Speaker 1: I would have had the shot opportunity. So basically, you know, 1187 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,280 Speaker 1: my whole thing is, um, I want to constantly improve 1188 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 1: and to do that, uh, you know, I have a 1189 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,440 Speaker 1: drive inside of me to constantly improve. But to do that, 1190 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 1: you have to make mistakes and then you have to 1191 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: learn from him and eliminate them. So that's kind of 1192 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,399 Speaker 1: my my thought process when I do this. I tried 1193 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,399 Speaker 1: to I'm okay with making mistakes, but I don't want 1194 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,800 Speaker 1: to make him twice. Um, you know, I want to 1195 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,120 Speaker 1: eliminate those. And when you eliminate them, you know, you 1196 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,319 Speaker 1: start eliminating all the mistakes you've made over the years. 1197 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: You start to make very few, um, you know, and 1198 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 1: then things just come together, you know. And kind of 1199 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,200 Speaker 1: going back to what you said earlier, Mark, like you 1200 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,280 Speaker 1: you said there was some luck involved in I don't. 1201 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think some people might say, oh, man, 1202 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,720 Speaker 1: you're so lucky he was betted there. We had those 1203 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: spots picked out, that's where that's where a mature buck 1204 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: would bet if he was betted in this river bottom. 1205 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 1: We we made the right call. We figure that out 1206 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: in a matter of hours, and you were on a 1207 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: five year old deer in territory you've never been on. 1208 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: That's not luck. That's picking it out on a map, 1209 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: having the instinct to slow down, having your wits about 1210 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,479 Speaker 1: you to see that other deer. You know, some guys 1211 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 1: might not even have been paying attention, um, and walked 1212 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,680 Speaker 1: right by that opening, went down there and bumped him. 1213 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,560 Speaker 1: But you were attentive enough to see that, and then 1214 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,400 Speaker 1: you almost caught You almost got that deer. But you 1215 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: had enough uh you know, instinct to kind of slow 1216 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 1: down and say, you know what, hey, if that dear 1217 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 1: did this, there might be more here. You know, this 1218 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: looks like a good spot where I can you know, 1219 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 1: tuck in here without making any noise. I haven't bumped anything, 1220 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: and maybe something else will will come by. I can 1221 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 1: see a long ways. I'll be able to at the 1222 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,320 Speaker 1: very least observe. And that was one of the biggest 1223 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 1: betting features to the west that we saw. That one, 1224 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 1: the next one and the next one to the west. 1225 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: We're probably the top three. And I mean it just 1226 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 1: you picked the right one. So that's not luck. You 1227 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 1: know that, that's skill, my friend, that you did everything 1228 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: right there. I appreciate saying that. Um, it was you know, 1229 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,920 Speaker 1: like We talked about it coming into it with a 1230 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: challenge that we realized we had. You know, we knew 1231 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,360 Speaker 1: it would be a challenge, and then once day one star, 1232 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: they're like, oh man, this is gonna be even more 1233 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 1: of a challenge. Um. Having it all work out the 1234 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,080 Speaker 1: way it did was very gratifying, and it's you. And 1235 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,480 Speaker 1: we talked about this a lot in the trip to 1236 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,439 Speaker 1: about we love hunting. We love all aspects of hunting, 1237 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,080 Speaker 1: but something that we in particular really enjoy is that 1238 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,840 Speaker 1: chess match, the figuring it out. And we both talked 1239 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 1: about different examples where we've had some spots where we 1240 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 1: figured it out and it's a great spot, but we 1241 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 1: figured it out, and then once we had it kind 1242 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,040 Speaker 1: of figured out, we weren't quite as drawn to hunt 1243 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: there anymore. You know. Um, like I've had like this 1244 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,240 Speaker 1: this spot in Montana that I hunted the last couple 1245 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: of years. I kind of like, you know, it's it's awesome, 1246 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: I've got it like PEG. Now I don't know if 1247 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm so interested in hunting there again next year, um, 1248 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: because there's not that challenge of like what do I do? 1249 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,520 Speaker 1: I love having to go into this new area and 1250 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,280 Speaker 1: and start from the bottom and build your way up 1251 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: and learn and understand and and uh that puzzle is 1252 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: is so fascinating to me. And and being able to 1253 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: put those pieces together in this trip UM was particularly 1254 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:52,160 Speaker 1: interesting giving all the other unique circumstances. So it was, Man, 1255 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,640 Speaker 1: it was one of the very most rewarding hunts that 1256 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: I've been on UM. But I guess we we still 1257 00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 1: haven't finished everything that happened for you. So you had 1258 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 1: this missed opportunity with with all mossy Horns as I 1259 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: like to call him, and so you didn't have the 1260 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 1: range finder, and now we have like a day and 1261 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,840 Speaker 1: a half left. What was your what was your mindset, 1262 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,400 Speaker 1: thought process and plan for how to move on and 1263 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: kind of wrap up the trip? How were you approaching it? 1264 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 1: What do you do? Yeah, well, if you remember, that 1265 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 1: was probably my lowest point in the trip because I 1266 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 1: was having some really significant pain then and luckily you 1267 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: had some pain meds and that kind of took the 1268 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,000 Speaker 1: edge off. So UM, you know, I'm tough it out. 1269 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,840 Speaker 1: In day three, we tried something a little different in 1270 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,960 Speaker 1: the cattle area. UM, I was my leg was a 1271 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,560 Speaker 1: little questionable. There was a very nice uh ox bow 1272 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,480 Speaker 1: that had an abnormal amount of cover and our goal. 1273 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Our our plan was to sneak in there right to 1274 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 1: that back into that ox bow in the dark, well 1275 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,920 Speaker 1: before daylight and then just let deer filter in. Now 1276 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,960 Speaker 1: we were a little worried that the cattle might uh 1277 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,040 Speaker 1: you know, keep the deer out, but it was I 1278 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,080 Speaker 1: think it was worth a try because we weren't feeling 1279 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: real strong going in blind, you know, two and a 1280 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: half miles to the next bowl in the dark and 1281 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: picking the right spot, so I think that was going 1282 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: to be more of the evening plan. But anyway, we 1283 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,360 Speaker 1: snuck in there and a little did we know we 1284 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,560 Speaker 1: were going to have all the turkeys in the world 1285 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,919 Speaker 1: roosted above us. But it was it was pretty cool. 1286 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of Miriams, uh you know, roosted above us, 1287 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 1: and uh, they're making all kinds of rackets, so that 1288 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,840 Speaker 1: in itself made it a really cool morning. Saw a 1289 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,160 Speaker 1: couple of dolls, had a couple of dolls coming into bed, 1290 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,600 Speaker 1: bumped one another. One came in within fifty yards of 1291 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,479 Speaker 1: us and bedded down and then she disappeared. I'm not sure, 1292 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,000 Speaker 1: but we sat there for a while, tried some calling unsuccessfully, 1293 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 1: and then we kinda we snuck through the edge of cover, 1294 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,600 Speaker 1: kind of working west, um, just trying to you know, 1295 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,720 Speaker 1: at a snail's pace, always on the glass, sneaking through 1296 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 1: on the ground, just trying to get visual of a 1297 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: shooter buck on his feet. It was great deer habitat, 1298 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,680 Speaker 1: but it was full of cows. Um. It was pastor 1299 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 1: to death. Cow tracks everywhere. No deer tracks, um. No 1300 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,520 Speaker 1: scrapes under you know, over overheating branches, which you would 1301 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,080 Speaker 1: expect to be, you know, really heavy this time of year. 1302 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: So we kind of got the impression that there weren't 1303 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:24,800 Speaker 1: a lot of deer in there. And then it was 1304 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,520 Speaker 1: funny because the minute we started seeing a few deer tracks, 1305 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 1: we bumped two dolls, two or three dolls, um. And 1306 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,880 Speaker 1: then that was the end of the morning. We kind 1307 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,360 Speaker 1: of called it a morning, went back and kind of 1308 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 1: regrouped for the evening hunt. Yeah. And like you said, 1309 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 1: that evening hunt, the plan was to continue the progression 1310 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,040 Speaker 1: down those bowls, go into the next one to the west. Um. 1311 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,360 Speaker 1: And that one looked pretty good, didn't it. Yeah, that 1312 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 1: was cool. In fact, it looked a lot like the 1313 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: bowl or you killed yours. It had the sat we 1314 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,440 Speaker 1: get we snuck in there, had the same little bit 1315 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,600 Speaker 1: of cover down by the actual river bend tip in 1316 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,240 Speaker 1: the ox bow. It had the bench, the first bench 1317 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: and then the secondary bench that had real thick seedars, 1318 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,960 Speaker 1: and then again down in that shaded area that gets 1319 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: the most shade, holds the most moisture, there's some green, 1320 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,960 Speaker 1: there's very little. It looks like a little, you know, 1321 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,720 Speaker 1: corter acre food plot of just grass. And sure enough, 1322 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,360 Speaker 1: just like all the other bowls that we saw, the 1323 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,320 Speaker 1: first deer dip down out of those seedars, vetted very close. 1324 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,920 Speaker 1: Probably can see where they're eating. A group of dolls. 1325 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Ducks down into that green and starts feeding. And you know, 1326 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,520 Speaker 1: there's two things that deer can do. They can go 1327 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 1: away from us on the outside bend and it pinches 1328 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: down over there. But because we had a western wind, 1329 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: we were on the east side, and if they come 1330 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 1: our way, it pinches down close to the river, so 1331 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,400 Speaker 1: they'd come within range of us. We had just a 1332 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,800 Speaker 1: really neat spot on the back side of a down tree, 1333 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:01,440 Speaker 1: and um it an incredible wind front blew in um 1334 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: real high winds probably plus yeah and swirl and started 1335 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,040 Speaker 1: making everything swirl and then you spotted what we thought 1336 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,080 Speaker 1: was a nice bucket. It was a nice buck It 1337 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,720 Speaker 1: was just probably a two year old. But he's coming 1338 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: down the ridge, coming down towards that green stuff, sneaking 1339 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 1: down real slow, and we didn't get a great look 1340 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 1: at him. We were kind of hoping he was gonna 1341 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,480 Speaker 1: be a little bigger than he ended up being. But 1342 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 1: we had a really need encounter. Um he came down, 1343 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,000 Speaker 1: came down into the bowl, and the wind was swirling 1344 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,800 Speaker 1: so bad. I think that he picked us up. But 1345 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 1: the way the wind was going, it was whipping all directions. 1346 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: He was confused. He didn't know where where he wanted 1347 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,040 Speaker 1: to go. He didn't know where we were, but he 1348 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,840 Speaker 1: knew something was not right. And it was probably because 1349 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,800 Speaker 1: we we're at day three of day four of no showers. 1350 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,920 Speaker 1: You know, we weren't smelling too great. But anyway, we 1351 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,439 Speaker 1: had a really cool encounter. He started working our way 1352 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,120 Speaker 1: at a pretty fast pace, and I believe he got 1353 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,280 Speaker 1: this all on film. But he gets within bow range 1354 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,439 Speaker 1: and I kind of mimic draw draw the bow back 1355 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,440 Speaker 1: on him, and he has no clue and he ends 1356 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,440 Speaker 1: up five five yards in front of us and has 1357 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,480 Speaker 1: no idea, we're there. It was a really neat encounter, 1358 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,520 Speaker 1: um on a pretty nice little at eight point. Yeah, 1359 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,280 Speaker 1: that was cool, and it's super close just right there. 1360 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,439 Speaker 1: And then if we're looking at you like, oh, that's 1361 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,520 Speaker 1: exactly what we wanted about to do, exactly what we 1362 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 1: thought it would do in this scenario. We just needed 1363 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,000 Speaker 1: one a little older, a little bigger. Yep, yep, yep. 1364 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 1: So the rest of the night, uh, it was pretty uneventful. 1365 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,040 Speaker 1: That was probably you know, thirty minutes after that made 1366 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,520 Speaker 1: the long hike back right. Yeah, we saw that badger. 1367 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,640 Speaker 1: That was cool. Oh yeah, badger. Badger came right up. 1368 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,200 Speaker 1: We got a little video of that. I had never 1369 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,280 Speaker 1: seen one, so I was pretty pumped about that. Um. 1370 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:56,320 Speaker 1: And then day four, um, we we decided that we 1371 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,880 Speaker 1: were gonna pull out half a day early. I was 1372 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:03,440 Speaker 1: gonna hunt the morning. Um. You know, I was kind 1373 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,280 Speaker 1: of pushing it with a day from work. My leg 1374 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 1: was giving me trouble. You're you had a sick kid 1375 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 1: at home. You know. I felt very fulfilled on this trip. 1376 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,360 Speaker 1: You felt very fulfilled. I was okay with hunting the morning. 1377 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,120 Speaker 1: The morning looked like it was gonna be really nice, 1378 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,600 Speaker 1: and then it was gonna kind of get windy, and 1379 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,800 Speaker 1: so I was good with one more morning set I 1380 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 1: thought I had a good chance to kill that dark 1381 01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,720 Speaker 1: horn to aid again. And uh so I decided to go, 1382 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:33,000 Speaker 1: and you hung back and cleaned up camp. So made 1383 01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,600 Speaker 1: the track back, you know, about two miles again and 1384 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: got into the original spot where I had a chance 1385 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,360 Speaker 1: at him without my range finders. Snuck in at first 1386 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,720 Speaker 1: daylight or bright before daylight, and got all set up 1387 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,960 Speaker 1: and it was the coldest morning. There was frost. I mean, 1388 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,760 Speaker 1: it was just just gorgeous and then calm and it 1389 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 1: starts getting light. You know, it's light for I don't know, 1390 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,960 Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes. And to my right, kind of back 1391 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: by where your deer died, I hear two bucks sparring, 1392 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,000 Speaker 1: not like a full blown out fight, but they're they're 1393 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,320 Speaker 1: going at it a little bit. It sounds like two 1394 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,600 Speaker 1: big antlers, and I'm like, oh my gosh, here we go. 1395 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, you know, in reality, I think I my 1396 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,720 Speaker 1: my mind made him, you know, both bigger than what 1397 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,680 Speaker 1: they were. I was thinking, like that big eight that 1398 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: you saw and some other giants that we didn't know 1399 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,960 Speaker 1: was there. But all of a sudden, here he comes 1400 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,480 Speaker 1: the same dark corn eight comes running right at me, 1401 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, I know, 1402 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 1: like you got the truck packed up and we're ready 1403 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 1: to go. And I'm thinking if this deer is running, like, 1404 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,560 Speaker 1: what's who just kicked his butt? You know, So I'm thinking, 1405 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's a bigger buck behind. So I got 1406 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,920 Speaker 1: my release on him. I'm like kind of starting to 1407 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,840 Speaker 1: draw back, and I'm like he stops and he looks 1408 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,080 Speaker 1: behind and I'm like, oh my gosh. The other ones 1409 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: following him. So he ends up kind of trotting past 1410 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,960 Speaker 1: me and right in range. Yeah, in range. I knew 1411 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: the ring he was. He was within thirty seven yard. 1412 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,480 Speaker 1: He had to hit the trail at thirty seven um, 1413 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 1: and and I was completely okay with letting that deer 1414 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,160 Speaker 1: go um, even even if this other deer wasn't following him. 1415 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,440 Speaker 1: But I was pretty pumped because I thought the deer 1416 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,559 Speaker 1: following him was going to be that big, that bigger eight. 1417 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,439 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, here here comes a deer. 1418 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 1: I see him coming around the corner of the sun's 1419 01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,760 Speaker 1: kind of over there, so it's like kind of blinding me. 1420 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,920 Speaker 1: And I looked through the glass and it's actually a 1421 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:33,240 Speaker 1: smaller eight like what like seriously, So so he comes 1422 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,400 Speaker 1: it's still probably a two year old, you know, maybe 1423 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: nine inches or something like that, and uh, he comes 1424 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: by and kind of dips down into the river, and 1425 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,240 Speaker 1: uh that it ended up being it. I thought maybe 1426 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,240 Speaker 1: there was another buck over there, so I tried a 1427 01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,519 Speaker 1: little rattling sequence and sat for another couple hours, and uh, 1428 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, nothing happened. So I decided to pack it 1429 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,600 Speaker 1: up and made the hike back and that was it. 1430 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 1: And that was it. And uh, men, I know that 1431 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:01,800 Speaker 1: I know that you've got to bounce her quick, so 1432 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to keep you any longer. But this 1433 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,439 Speaker 1: was such a even though it's a short hunt, even 1434 01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,960 Speaker 1: though it was challenging hunt, it was it was it 1435 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,400 Speaker 1: was a really fulfilling and fun hunt for me. And um, 1436 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, uh let me tag along with you 1437 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,960 Speaker 1: and get to hunt this property that that you got 1438 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,599 Speaker 1: permission on, So I know that's a big, a big 1439 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,959 Speaker 1: part of all this was the fact that you got permission, 1440 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,439 Speaker 1: So thank you for that and for sharing that permission 1441 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,840 Speaker 1: with me. And um, any like final takeaways or anything 1442 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,719 Speaker 1: else that you think are worth sharing before we shut 1443 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,360 Speaker 1: this one down. Well, yeah, why don't you tell why 1444 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,120 Speaker 1: don't you why don't you give uh one or two 1445 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: things that you learned from you know, maybe someone else 1446 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,720 Speaker 1: going on a hunt like this, but somewhere they've never 1447 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,320 Speaker 1: been um and they run into some issues like what 1448 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:49,960 Speaker 1: are some things that you took away? And then and 1449 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,680 Speaker 1: then I'll give a couple. Yeah, well I think I 1450 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,960 Speaker 1: think on a trip like this, where you're going to 1451 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,840 Speaker 1: a new place and you're on a short kind of 1452 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,920 Speaker 1: time frame, I definitely realized more and more that you 1453 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,040 Speaker 1: need to you need to take calculative risks and be 1454 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,559 Speaker 1: able to adjust based off of those. Um So that said, 1455 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,599 Speaker 1: you know, coming into this and we had all these assumptions, 1456 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,120 Speaker 1: we had all these things we thought were going to 1457 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,320 Speaker 1: be present, and I thought, oh, I know exactly how 1458 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna hunt this. But when we got there, totally different. 1459 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,920 Speaker 1: So right away, like on that day, when we realized 1460 01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,519 Speaker 1: it was totally different, you and me, multiple times we 1461 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 1: talked about, well maybe we should try this. Yeah, we 1462 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,160 Speaker 1: usually wouldn't do this is aggressive, this is crazy, but 1463 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 1: we kind of need to do that. And there are 1464 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,040 Speaker 1: several different things we talked about that we had to 1465 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,160 Speaker 1: be more aggressive take calculative risks because you need to 1466 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,840 Speaker 1: quickly learn things and quickly adjust to those lessons um 1467 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,400 Speaker 1: on a short time frame hunt like this. So examples 1468 01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,360 Speaker 1: of us doing that were, for example, after we glassed 1469 01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,080 Speaker 1: all of the place and didn't see the deer we 1470 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,840 Speaker 1: wanted to see, we thought, all right, we need to 1471 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,080 Speaker 1: push into this a little bit and actually visibly see 1472 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 1: some of Let's cover ourselves. So we walked into the 1473 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,519 Speaker 1: edges of some got close to some betting stuff, got 1474 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,240 Speaker 1: on our feet, check the river crossing, walked along that 1475 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,559 Speaker 1: edge where we thought there should be scrapes, got up 1476 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 1: tight to the river where we thought there'd be some 1477 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,559 Speaker 1: betting on the other side, and checked it all out. Um, 1478 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,840 Speaker 1: that was a little risky, like we could have bumped stuff, 1479 01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,960 Speaker 1: but I thought we needed to get feet on the 1480 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,400 Speaker 1: ground in that spot to to verify are is this 1481 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,200 Speaker 1: really as poor as we think it is based off 1482 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,320 Speaker 1: the glassing, or do we need to spend some more 1483 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,000 Speaker 1: time there? So we made a calculated risk. We learned 1484 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,599 Speaker 1: that no, it does not look like there's a kind 1485 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,479 Speaker 1: of activity we need that we thought we'd have here, 1486 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,680 Speaker 1: And then we said, okay, we're gonna cross off the 1487 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,640 Speaker 1: map fast. We don't have time to daily daily in 1488 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,360 Speaker 1: places where we just don't think it's gonna happen. So 1489 01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,679 Speaker 1: we crossed off the whole section. And then we said, 1490 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,479 Speaker 1: all right, what's next, how do we adjust? We looked 1491 01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,240 Speaker 1: at those maps and we had those spots that we 1492 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,360 Speaker 1: talked about, the bowls that we marked, they were they 1493 01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,280 Speaker 1: looked great, but they were so far away. We were 1494 01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:45,639 Speaker 1: hoping we'd be able to hunt some of this stuff 1495 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,360 Speaker 1: that was closer. Um, but we when we we made 1496 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,479 Speaker 1: this risk, we learned something. We said, Okay, we we're 1497 01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,599 Speaker 1: gonna have to push to these bulls because that's probably 1498 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,679 Speaker 1: where the cattle won't be. And so then our next 1499 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: calculated risk was the fact that we were willing to 1500 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, push all the way up in there and um, 1501 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,519 Speaker 1: you know, get into that bed and get tight to bedding. 1502 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,000 Speaker 1: So I think that my big takeaway in this type 1503 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 1: of deal is is when you need to get a 1504 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,040 Speaker 1: little bit aggressive to learn something and then be able 1505 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 1: to quickly act according to what you learned. Mm hmm, yeah. 1506 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean if we would have now, if we would 1507 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,439 Speaker 1: have pre scouted this place and had stands, you know, 1508 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,960 Speaker 1: pre trimmed and hung um. That would probably be ideal, right, 1509 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: especially if it was a little bit a bit later 1510 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,880 Speaker 1: in the rut, but on a short term and we 1511 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,680 Speaker 1: were having trouble just we needed to find deer um. 1512 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,600 Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes, like especially in a situation like this, 1513 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,920 Speaker 1: we had five miles of river ground essentially to hunt, 1514 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: but we found deer in the very small portions of 1515 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,880 Speaker 1: that very small you know, I don't know if twenty 1516 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,840 Speaker 1: acres are more, um, a little little pockets or less. 1517 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean twenty acre a little pocket here, go down 1518 01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,360 Speaker 1: a little you know, little pockets. So we really we 1519 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,360 Speaker 1: needed to observe, we needed to spind deer sign and 1520 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,400 Speaker 1: and in this situation in particular, deer sign was everything. 1521 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,960 Speaker 1: When we started seeing tracks, that was everything. We started 1522 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,120 Speaker 1: finding some some scrapes and once you killed your deer, 1523 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,880 Speaker 1: once we got down there along that river, there was 1524 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,760 Speaker 1: quite a few scrapes getting opened up. You saw your 1525 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,760 Speaker 1: buck making scrapes. So just sneaking in and being aggressive 1526 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 1: and getting where the deer were. Um, because there was 1527 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 1: a lot of great looking spots between where we camped 1528 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,400 Speaker 1: and where we eventually found a deer. That would probably 1529 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,680 Speaker 1: be amazing, uh, other times of the year. Yeah, you know, 1530 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,560 Speaker 1: you know when they're when they're really rutting in the 1531 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,240 Speaker 1: deer or moving. But it was low deer numbers, so 1532 01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,120 Speaker 1: we just needed to find them and we needed, like 1533 01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,960 Speaker 1: you said, need to be aggressive. Short. You know, we 1534 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time, so just sit back 1535 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,439 Speaker 1: and observe. We did do that somewhat the first day, 1536 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,719 Speaker 1: but after that we kind of needed to start diving 1537 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,479 Speaker 1: in close and so close that you know, it was 1538 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,280 Speaker 1: almost essential to hunt from the ground because we couldn't 1539 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,599 Speaker 1: make racket. We were a lot of times we were 1540 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,920 Speaker 1: within a hundred yards of deer and uh, you know, 1541 01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,200 Speaker 1: just the way these trees were. If there even was 1542 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,959 Speaker 1: a tree to get in um most of them required 1543 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,760 Speaker 1: probably a hundred branches trimmed. I mean it would have 1544 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,960 Speaker 1: been it would have been a couple hour job, I think, 1545 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,839 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So yeah, those are my big takeaways. 1546 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,120 Speaker 1: To be aggressive and if you're you're in an area 1547 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,320 Speaker 1: with low deer density, got to find the deer sign, 1548 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,559 Speaker 1: you know. And in a low deer density, there's still 1549 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,160 Speaker 1: gonna be a few bucks that are that are older 1550 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:41,559 Speaker 1: and and you know they're going to be in there. 1551 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,200 Speaker 1: And then know what you implement what you know about 1552 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,080 Speaker 1: buck bedding, you know, and those river bends and where 1553 01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,080 Speaker 1: bucks like to bend in that bed and that type 1554 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,320 Speaker 1: of terrain or habitat depending on where you're at, you know, 1555 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:58,720 Speaker 1: and that can really shorten you know, short in a 1556 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,479 Speaker 1: cycle of figuring something out, you know, on a short 1557 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,519 Speaker 1: term hunt. Yeah. I always think of those betting areas 1558 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,640 Speaker 1: as the hub of the wheel, like it's the very 1559 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 1: most important piece of the puzzle because if you know 1560 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,080 Speaker 1: the hub of the wheel, all the other things that 1561 01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,800 Speaker 1: those deer do they radiate off of that hub, like 1562 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,920 Speaker 1: spokes coming off of that wheel. Um. So that's always 1563 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 1: a really important place to start the lowering process. All 1564 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,840 Speaker 1: the other pieces can fall into place after that. Um So, 1565 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,040 Speaker 1: I think that was, like you said, that was key 1566 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,960 Speaker 1: to our success. So identifying the missing link in this area, 1567 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,040 Speaker 1: What was the missing link? Anything anything green? Everything was 1568 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,439 Speaker 1: so dried out and bearing. Um when you found green, 1569 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 1: deer were smashing it. Yeah. You know, there wasn't a 1570 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,439 Speaker 1: lot of deer because they're just aren't very high deer numbers, 1571 01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,160 Speaker 1: but that's where they were going. They were going to 1572 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,679 Speaker 1: those spots the two or three deer you'd see would 1573 01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: be on that. So yeah, well, my friend, it was 1574 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,880 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It was a cool hunt, and um, 1575 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to do it. Yeah, me too, 1576 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming and uh, it's a hunt I'll always remember. Um. 1577 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,920 Speaker 1: I think you're doing some great things for hunting. Um. 1578 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,680 Speaker 1: So I was really honored and proud to be able 1579 01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,439 Speaker 1: to share hunt with you and hope hopefully we can 1580 01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,320 Speaker 1: do it again someday. Thanks man, I appreciate that. And yes, 1581 01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,760 Speaker 1: let's definitely plan on. Let's planning a part two either 1582 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,960 Speaker 1: there or somewhere in the future. So with that, let's 1583 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,400 Speaker 1: wrap it up and hopefully you and we can have 1584 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:24,040 Speaker 1: some continued success in Michigan. Right, that's right, Yeah, we 1585 01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,760 Speaker 1: both Hopefully I have a next one to go after 1586 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,280 Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get one in the next week or 1587 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,679 Speaker 1: two fingers crossed. And that's a wrap, folks, So thank 1588 01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,000 Speaker 1: you for joining us for this one. Hopefully you've got 1589 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,360 Speaker 1: a lot of tree stand in the near future coming 1590 01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,080 Speaker 1: up here. November it's about it's about upon us. Probably 1591 01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,920 Speaker 1: when you're listening to this, it is November, actually, So 1592 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,040 Speaker 1: November is upon us and that is a beautiful thing. 1593 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,720 Speaker 1: So good luck out there. Remember to stay mentally tough, 1594 01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,360 Speaker 1: pushed through the adversity. There's gonna be challenges, just like 1595 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,680 Speaker 1: me and Andy faced. But if you keep pushing, if 1596 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,599 Speaker 1: you'll learn, if you adjust, good things can still happen 1597 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,840 Speaker 1: out That is the game plan for myself. I'm sure 1598 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,439 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the game plan for all of you. 1599 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Should straight have a great rut and we will see 1600 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:12,400 Speaker 1: you next time, and until then, stay wired to hunt.