1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to this week's episode of 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: the Let's Be Real Podcast. I'm your host is always 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Sammy J and welcome. We're so glad to have you here. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: This week, I got to chat with the incredible entrepreneur 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Danielle Pearson. You may know her from being the founder 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: and CEO of the new zet or the co founder 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: and co CEO of the new mental health startup with 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: Selena Gomez and the TV called Wonder Mind, and she 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: is just breaking barriers and is so inspiring. So I 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: am so excited for this conversation and I hope you 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: guys like it. Hi, Danielle, and thank you so much 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: for coming to Let's Be Real podcast. I'm so excited. 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: We have so much to talk about, and I really 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: appreciate you just taking the time because I know you're 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: incredibly busy. Well I'm sure you are even more busy, 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for having me on this 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: incredible podcast, and just it's truly an honor, So yes, 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: thank you again. First and foremost, you are just a 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: very smart business woman and entrepreneur and I have spreneurial 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: bug as well, and so I have to ask when 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: was the first time you're like, oh, I want to 22 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: create something. Well, you definitely are a badass entrepreneur yourself. 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: It's funny how people think, you know, or at least 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: thought before all of these new entrepreneurs came into the scene, 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 1: but people would think an entrepreneur was somebody who literally 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: had like a store or like, you know, a product. Um, 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: but even you know, my twin sister is a writer 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: and she has books, like she's an entrepreneur. You have 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: this incredible podcast, You're an entrepreneur. It's like it looks 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: in so many different ways, and so I always kind 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: of had the bug. Um. My parents are both hustlers. 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: My mother is an immigrant from Columbia. She grew up 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 1: like poverty level core and so she essentially the dream 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: and I think it's still is, like the dream job 35 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: in Columbia is to become an oral surgeon. And so 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: my mother, in order to do that, had to win 37 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: the only scholarship every single year at the Columbia um 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, university, and then also in elementary school, middle school, 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: high school, like you know, all the way up until 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: graduating at school, there was only one scholarship and it 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: was for the best student of class, So my mom 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: had to hustle her ass off and be that best student, 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: and so I come from that kind of drive. Then 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: my father also grew up a pretty you know, poverty 45 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: level core as well in Niagara Falls, and his father 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: worked at a factory and had you know, many kids 47 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: and a wife to support. And so my dad uh 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: just literally started from like uh, fixing cars to Washington 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: cars to selling cars and then you know, finally having 50 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: his own dealership. And so both of my parents are 51 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: incredibly entrepreneurial. The drivers in your d n A. It 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: really is um and so that I always knew that 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: I wanted to do something and probably have a business. 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: I hated school. It just was not for me. My sister, 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: my twin sister, was completely the opposite. She definitely got 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: more of my mom's jeans, where she was, you know, 57 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: the best student. She went to an ivy league school. 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: I was much more like my dad where you know, 59 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: I hated school and I just didn't realize why I 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: had to learn about you know, mitochondria and and at 61 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: am fifteen different times over my you know, high school 62 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: and middle school career. When I knew I was not 63 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: going to be a scientist, and I didn't really apply 64 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: myself as much until the final years of high school, 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: where I realized, if I don't get my ship together, 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to be stuck in this town forever and 67 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: I want to go do big things. And so that's 68 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: when I really focused my energy, became a really good 69 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: student and was able to go to be you. And 70 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: so when I went to be you, I knew again 71 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: that I wasn't happy with you know, the things I 72 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: was learning. I wasn't learning about business. It was going 73 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: to be two years of like normal classes and then 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I was going to learn about business. And finally, my 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: sophomore year of college, I was like, Okay, if I 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: want to do something for myself, I want. I was 77 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: just begging for that kind of passion and something I 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: could put everything towards because I didn't have it. And uh, 79 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I thought, okay, I'm going to write down the things 80 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm good at. I made that list. It was completely blank. 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: I was good at absolutely nothing. I highly doubt that. 82 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: I truly like I'm not being you know, funny or anything. 83 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: I was not good at anything. I didn't even know 84 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: who I was. I truly was like a chameleon. In 85 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: the worst way. I would be whoever I thought people 86 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: wanted me to be. I didn't know who I was, like, 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: really didn't have any skills. And then I thought, okay, 88 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: well what do I love to do? Like, what are 89 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: my passions? And the one thing that I always loved 90 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: was reading magazines, Like I would just be just you know, 91 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: encompassed in a magazine when I opened it. And so 92 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I thought, well, what if I could make my own 93 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: magazine and maybe that would help me get an internship 94 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: or a job at a magaze zeene or maybe you know, 95 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: this works out for me and I can do this 96 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: after college and work for myself because I knew no 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: one would hire me with my bad grades. Um, so 98 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: I thought, maybe I can hire myself Dan, Yeah I can. 99 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: I tell you that we have so much in common. 100 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: I grew up in school with learning differences and thought 101 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: I was incapable of learning for so long and O 102 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: C D and anxiety as well. Okay, so we are 103 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: the same person because we are the same person as 104 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about this. Yeah, I have a d H 105 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: D O C D UM and anxiety and depression, et cetera. 106 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: So yes, with a d H D N o c D. 107 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: I got you. I know exactly what you're talking about. 108 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: School is hard. Yeah, school was so freaking hard. Yes. 109 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: How did you not let your lack of confidence in 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: the classroom affect what you want to do outside of 111 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: the classroom. Yes, so it's really funny. I actually did 112 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: not get diagnosed with a d h D until about 113 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: six months ago. Did everything just makes sense afterwards? Oh? 114 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: I completely made sense. And um I realized and when 115 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: talking to my you know, psychiatrists, that the kind of 116 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: a d h D I had, and I think it's 117 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: different for a lot of people. So I don't want 118 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: to blanket statement. This is like, I care about what 119 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: I care about, and I can do that and be 120 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: very specific, and especially with the O c D combined, 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I can then obsess over that. But if I don't 122 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: care about something, it is almost impossible to focus on it. 123 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: It's not going to get done. Yeah, it's it's almost 124 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: just like it just you can't do it feels genuinely incapable. No, 125 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: it's true. There are assets to in their negative sides 126 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: to it. I'm in college right now, so I'm also 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: realizing the negative sides to it. When my brain can't 128 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: process textbook readings, so when I have to do them, 129 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: it takes me forever. But like when there's like something 130 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: with the podcast or something that I love, it's just 131 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: like I love it. Yes, yeah, No, So I was 132 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: very similar and I didn't know that when I was there. 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't even think I grew up in Flora Jackson, Florida. 134 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: I don't even I went to a private school. I 135 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: didn't even think, like, you know, people would even know 136 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: what a d h D was back then, learning differences 137 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: aren't talked about. And something that's so unfortunate is that 138 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: so October was Learning Disability Awareness Month, and I think 139 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: it's really important that we talked about these issues because 140 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: so many times, and I've talked to people about this, 141 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: like you kind of get used to the feeling of 142 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: not being able to learn. And I hope that people 143 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: listening know like that you are capable of learning, you 144 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: just have to find that passion. And I think it's 145 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: so cool like what you did with the news that 146 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: the newsletter you created and how you built upon that 147 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: was the news that the outlet for all your creativity. Yeah, 148 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: So to answer your first question and go into that 149 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: in school, you know, identical twin sister is a rock 150 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: star school, top of the class, um, you know, so smart, 151 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: and I was her biggest cheerleader, and that's all she 152 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: cared about. She went to school and she just did grades, 153 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: like didn't care about anything else. That was her thing. 154 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: She wanted to go to Ivy League school. And so 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: my sister was incredibly impressive. UM for me because I 156 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: didn't like school and I basically just had to like 157 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: get through it. Um. I was a BNC student, and 158 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: so my parents would judge us equally by like, if 159 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: my sister got straight a's great, if I got these 160 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: and seas fantastic. So it we weren't on the same 161 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: playing field, and I appreciate that they everyone knew that 162 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: I was different. Yeah, However, I realized my junior year 163 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: my sister was getting all of these incredible pamphlets and 164 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, info and reach out from these huge schools 165 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: and these big cities. And I wanted to go to 166 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: a big city and I was getting nothing. You know, surprise, surprise. 167 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: They don't send it to like the BNC students. They 168 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,359 Speaker 1: send it to, you know, the people who are really impressive. 169 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: And so I realized, Wow, if I don't get on 170 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: this train. And even though I don't care about you 171 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: know how big a triangle is and you know how 172 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: many uh you know, different elements there are an atom 173 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: and all these things I knew I was never going 174 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: to use. I was like, I need to start caring 175 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: because that is the catalyst to me getting out of 176 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: the city and moving into a big city and making 177 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: my dreams come true. So it find a way out, yes, 178 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: And so essentially I I thought I was done, Like 179 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: my people would call me the dumb twin and like 180 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: I really thought I was just like incapable. But then 181 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: I there was this one class, a history class that 182 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: I really really liked because it was almost like learning 183 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: about a story or like reading a story. And I 184 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: got an eight plus on one of the tests and 185 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: everyone else failed it, and I was like, wait, I 186 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: can do this. So I decided to. And I don't 187 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: know if this has to do do with a D H 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: D or O C D, but I can do things 189 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: in sprints. And so I said, Okay, the second I 190 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: get to school at eight o'clock AM until I leave 191 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: at three thirty or three forty five, the only thing 192 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to do is be an incredible student. So 193 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: during class, like I will follow along with the textbook, 194 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: take every no, ask every question. During my lunch break, 195 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: I didn't really have a lot of friends and so 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: and my sister and I had different lunch breaks, so 197 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: I would go to the library first while everyone would 198 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: eat in the cafeteria like study and do all my stuff, 199 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: then go to the cafeteria at the very end and 200 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: eat when no one else was there so I have 201 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: to sit alone, and you know, basically took every inch 202 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: of my day at school and made it into you know, 203 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: me learning. And then when I got home, I would 204 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: just watch TV like I don't think I did one essay, 205 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: one you know, study session, one homework ever at home 206 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: because I was like, okay, if I do all of 207 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: this in this time and like, you know, just get 208 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: it all banged out, then I can have my free time. 209 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: And junior year and senior year. It ended up working 210 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: so well like that that I ended up getting all 211 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: a's and a pluses, and my parents were like, what 212 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: is going on here? But it truly was because like 213 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: I refused to let these things that don't interest me 214 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: be the reason why I can't go to a big 215 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: city and do what I want to do, like, I 216 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: just need to get on the path and like, you know, 217 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: not rebel anymore. And so that's what I did, Um, 218 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: and I ended up going to be you. And uh, 219 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: that's again really when I started thinking about what I 220 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: wanted to do and uh and thinking, you know, I 221 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: have four years. I was so lucky. The ultimate gift 222 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: my parents gave me was they paid for my college education, 223 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: so I didn't have to have a job while I 224 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: was in college. And so I immediately thought, Okay, I 225 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: have four years for basically the only time in my 226 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: life that we're all I'm responsible for is going to 227 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: class and like partying or making friends or whatever. I'm 228 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: going to take these four years and actually try to 229 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: get a job or create my own job so that 230 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: when I graduate, I'm like set up. Because when in 231 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: your life are you ever going to have four years 232 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,119 Speaker 1: where you don't have you know, a family responsibilities or anything. 233 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: And so I almost thought, you know, to not take 234 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: advantage of that and try to build a career and 235 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: build a wife for myself was would just be a 236 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: massive you know, disappointment and disadvantaged for me. Daniel, your 237 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: story is so amazing and so inspiring. We have to 238 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: take a quick break, but when we come back, I 239 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: want to hear about your college experience and what you 240 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: think the keys were for the News that to become 241 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: so successful in your new company with Selena Gomez and Nandy, 242 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: Tiffy Wondermind and much more. We'll be right back before 243 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: we talk more about college and post college. I'm curious 244 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: back in high school because of everything you were dealing 245 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: with with socializing hard did you find and did your 246 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: anxiety and O c D affect that? Yes, But I 247 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: realized I had O c D um Like I realized 248 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: something was wrong with me when I was about six 249 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: years old and my ster and I had like these 250 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: canopy beds, and one side of my canopy broke because 251 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: I was probably hanging off of it like a fucking monkey, 252 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: and as you should, yes, and my uncle came in 253 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: and taped it with black tape. And so I sat 254 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: there going to sleep. And as you know, one of 255 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: the you know things that O gets different for everybody 256 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: is like a semmetry, and so there was black tape 257 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: on one side and not on the other. And I 258 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: stayed up that entire night just looking back and forth, 259 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: and I ended up having like an anxiety attack over it. 260 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: My parents had no idea what was going on. And 261 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: then after that I developed rituals were like, you know, 262 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: I had to close the door a certain way, and 263 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, all of these different things that kind of 264 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: take over your life. And because my mother is Latina 265 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I don't want to speak for 266 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: the whole culture, but at least, you know, and in 267 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: her belief system, you know, people didn't really go see 268 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: psychiatrists or anything. My dad is this very manly man 269 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: from you know, Niagara Falls, New York. Going to see 270 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist or therapist was definitely not a thing that 271 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: he was going to be okay with and so they 272 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: kind of just ignored it and like looked at it 273 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: as almost like a cork for me trying to get attention. 274 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: And then my uh, freshman year of high school, we 275 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: took a health class and we started learning about mental 276 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: health illnesses. And when we got to O c D 277 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: and we started talking about it, I was like, oh 278 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: my god, I have O c D. And it was 279 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: just such a like aha moment because I had no 280 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: idea what it was. I know it was a mental illness, 281 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: and so you know, I asked my parents, can I 282 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: please go get help for this? And the answer was no, 283 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, that's so hard, especially after I think, yeah, 284 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: my mom feels very bad about it now, but she drew. 285 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: I can't blame her, like just a stigma like that 286 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: was ten years ago or longer, and so you know, 287 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: it just wasn't what she was raised thinking about. And like, 288 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: no one wants to think that their child has a problem, 289 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: which is why Wonder Mind and everything I do with 290 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: the news that, et cetera is all about, like empowering 291 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: people to speak up for themselves and to think about 292 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: mental health just as you would with your physical health. 293 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: Like no one's embarrassed to say they have high blood pressure, 294 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: So why are you embarrassed to say that you are 295 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: O c D? And why are you embarrassed to take 296 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: medicine for that? Exactly? And so the entire time for 297 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: high school with just depression, no c D and a 298 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: d h D, which I didn't know about at the time, 299 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: it was very hard. From twelve to eighteen. I had 300 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: a pretty traumatic journey during that point in crying almost 301 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: a recent day and whatever. So yes, definitely too the 302 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: toll on me I didn't realize o c D was 303 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: so debilitating until I found out I had o c D. 304 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: I didn't realize what it was. I thought I was 305 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: just making myself like, I go down what I call 306 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: the what if Yes, yes, my undfalls where it's just 307 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: endless and I think, you know, having the courage to 308 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: advocate for yourself is really hard and taking those steps. 309 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: What was the moment or was there a moment where 310 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, even though my family might not be 311 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: supportive of this now, but I need to do what's 312 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: best for me and go get the proper hope. When 313 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: was that? Yeah? So, as you know, it's incredibly expensive 314 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: to get help, especially for something as specific as o 315 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: c D. You mean, specialists, and these people cost a 316 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: lot of money, and so my parents made very clear 317 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: that they not be okay with me going and UM. 318 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: At that time, it was probably it was my junior year. 319 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: I had just had an entrepreneur project that I worked 320 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: with eight other people who are UM I ended up guy. 321 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: So I had my other business, like the real business, 322 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: this project business, and then all of our classes on 323 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: top of it, and so I basically like just worked 324 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: seven that semester and I did all of the work 325 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: for this project. You know, starting a company with eight 326 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: different people obviously is not the way that a normal 327 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: person starts a company. It's with yourself for one or 328 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: maybe two other people, it's not eight people. So but 329 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: I like did my lane of work. I went to 330 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: every single meeting. I accomplished everything I had to do. 331 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: But when you know, the group members would go and 332 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, get a drink or you know, hang out 333 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: all together, I would go work and do my new 334 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: set stuff. And so that ended up being to my 335 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: detriment because they all became friends. And for some reason, 336 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: the grading system was peer based and someone one person 337 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: on the team had to fail, and so they chose me, 338 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: and they basically said, oh, well, she has another business, 339 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: so you know, there's no way she could have been 340 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: as dedicated as we were. There was literally someone on 341 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: our team that never brought a lot of talked to 342 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: any meeting and he got a C plus draw is 343 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: dropped and so junior year that was yeah, so um eight, 344 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: that was like seventy or eighty percent of our grade. 345 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: And so even though I did totally fine on my 346 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: in the classes, I ended up failing that semester, and 347 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: I basically got a letter from the GAN saying you're 348 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: on academic probation. You essentially have one semester to not 349 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: only retake all the classes you failed, but also take 350 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: all of the additional business classes you're supposed to take 351 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: next semester, and if you don't get this g p A, 352 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: you will be kicked out one semester before graduation. And 353 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: at that point, the news that was doing well. But like, 354 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't trying to monetize yet. I really 355 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: want to wait until I hit a certain subscriber member 356 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: and work with the best friends in the world, not like, 357 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, the smaller frands that might, you know, give 358 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: me some income. I want to wait. I was really 359 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: patient about waiting and telling you know, advertisers, no, like 360 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: we're not going to monetize until next year or whatever. 361 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: And so at that point I had zero backup plan. 362 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: My mother was in hysterics. She didn't even tell my 363 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: dad because my dad would have freaked out. And here 364 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: I am completely alone, you know, saying, oh my god, 365 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to fail out of college one semester before 366 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: I graduate, and I'm going to have nothing. I put 367 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: all of my eggs in the basket of the news 368 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: that because I knew I would get like you know, 369 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: decencies or whatever in my grades, it was not going 370 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: to be the top recruit for any sort of big company. 371 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I just have to make 372 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: the news at work and that would be my my job. 373 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: And so at that point it was the loneliest, most oppressing, 374 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: just the lowest point in my life. And my o 375 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: c D became absolutely debilitating. So like constant you know, thoughts, um, 376 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: constant rituals and they called them in truths of thoughts 377 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: as you know um. And there was one day when 378 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: I was looking under my bed that was the way 379 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: one of the rituals I had, and I just to 380 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: make the feeling go away. And I was so angry 381 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: and emotional that I just kept banging my hands on 382 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: the floor until they started bleeding. And my sister saw that, 383 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: and she and my boyfriend basically talked and they were like, 384 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: you need to go see a theratist, like this is 385 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: not okay anymore. And I was essentially crying. Every single day. 386 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I would go to the computer to try to even 387 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: do my homework and just ball and not even be 388 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: able to focus, and so I was like, there's no 389 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: way I'm gonna get kicked out, Like there, you know, 390 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: there's no way I'm even gonna ever be able to 391 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: make this work. And so I with the little affiliate 392 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: money that I made from the newsette, so we weren't 393 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: monetizing like doing brand partnerships, but I was linking out 394 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: to affiliate, uh you know, sources. So if somebody bought 395 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: a product I recommended, I would get a percentage, and 396 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: I ended up being able to make quite a bit 397 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: of money over the last three years for that. So 398 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: I had a little bit of savings and I used 399 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: that to find a psychiatrist and a therapist, and essentially 400 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: they got me on medicine prozac, and that completely changed 401 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: and pretty much saved my life because all of a sudden, 402 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: all of the additional emotions of like every single day 403 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: crying and just being overly emotional, that all went away 404 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: and I was able. I still could feel emotions, but 405 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: not in a way that a more normal person is 406 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: supposed to feel emotion, not so drastic, no, not in 407 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: a debilitating way, And so I essentially was able to 408 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: because of that and seeing a therapist, I was able 409 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: to basically become a machine that entire semester, wake up 410 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: at five am, do the right the whole news that 411 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: uh until nine thirty or ten am, go to class, 412 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: have like a one hour break where I'm like, you know, 413 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: reaching out to people to interview, doing everything. It was 414 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: just me, I like to say, my my first team 415 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: for the news that was three people, me, myself and 416 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: I and so I did everything. Then I would go 417 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: back to class, and then I would go see a 418 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: tutor that I also paid for VM my news at 419 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: savings to help me with the classes that I had 420 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: failed UM and then just go to sleep. And every 421 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: single day it was almost like being in the military 422 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: or something. It was my regiment, no feelings, no room 423 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: for anything, just do it. And somehow with the help 424 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: of um, you know, the tutor and my sister and 425 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: my boyfriend and um you know, the support of someone 426 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: named Sally Ward who works in the administrative department of 427 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: Boston University basically telling me you can't get up, you 428 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: have to do this. And she was just as upset 429 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: as I was that, you know, the teachers didn't step 430 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: in and say, hey, let's look at what you actually did. 431 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Instead of making you basically, you know, have to redo everything. 432 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: And they actually encouraged me that the teachers that failed 433 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: me encouraged me to stop uh college and just do 434 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: my business because they were like, there's no way you're 435 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: going to be able to do this. And so I 436 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: proved them wrong. I ended up graduating. Yeah, you did, 437 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, and I guess I ended up doing that semester. 438 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: Then the final semester of the you was all about entrepreneurship. 439 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: So finally I was taking the classes that I wanted 440 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: to take an entrepreneurship. And my professors were so great 441 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: because they were people that had actually started companies or 442 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: worked at startups whatever, and they just genuinely wanted to 443 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: help the next generation. And so those teachers were so helpful, 444 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: so kind, so you know, willing to give any knowledge, 445 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: and so proud of like what I was doing instead 446 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: of seeing it as like a detriment or like as 447 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: a you know, joke at your superpower. Yes and uh 448 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: and so them with you know, the Health of Sally 449 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: from the administrative Office, I ended up actually getting on 450 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: the dean's list. So I went from getting almost ticked 451 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: out the semester of her, I graduated to being one 452 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: of the best students in the business school, uh the 453 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: next semester, and so I just I literally walked that stage. 454 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: And everyone in my family tried because they knew how 455 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: hard it was for me to get there. And I 456 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: actually had a meeting with the dean of the business 457 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: school i be a few days ago, and she asked 458 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: if I would ever consider being a commencement speaker, and so, 459 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: as full circle, yeah, if that happens, I think my 460 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: parents would actually just I because not only you know, 461 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: did I get past this stage, but like now I'm 462 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: there to like talk to people, and so I just 463 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: feel really strongly that I want to tell, you know, 464 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: the next Breadley in class. Look, do not count yourself 465 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: out if you have a mental illness, if you have 466 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: a learning disability, if you didn't get the grades you 467 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: wanted in college, because you can still kick ass um 468 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: and being able to stand there and say, you know 469 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: that Forbes just named me the youngest wealthy is self 470 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: made a woman of color in America. You know, I 471 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: literally almost failed out of this school, Like if I 472 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: can do it with everything going against me and the 473 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: odds and lack of connections and everything, lack of resources, 474 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: and funding. If I can do it, anyone else can 475 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: do it. I promise. It's so amazing just hearing about 476 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: your evolution and you know, it's just so true and 477 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: people have the odds against you. If you believe in yourself, 478 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: that's all you can do. All you can do is 479 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: do your best. That's really inspiring because I'm currently in 480 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: college and I I sometimes feel lost and I don't 481 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever felt this, but I 482 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: feel like school sometimes wants to put me in a box, 483 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: like choose one thing, get good at it, and then 484 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: do that. But it's like, but there are so many 485 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: things that I want to do. You know, Yes, I 486 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: love that you've just carved your own path and I 487 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what I want to do. Not only 488 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: do you do that, but you also found a way 489 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: to monetize news that and made it so successful. And 490 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: I was just curious, what do you love and what 491 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: advice do you have for creating businesses? Yeah? So um, 492 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: the reason why the news that became successful is truly 493 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: I just refused for it not to be. And it 494 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: was like trying to fit a square peg into one hole. 495 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: I just slammed that square peg into the roundhold so 496 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: many times it became round and fit through and so 497 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: it was a lot of pivoting. So the news that 498 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: is now worth two hundred million dollars UM. And my 499 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: only other partner in the company is my mother, who's 500 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: you know being and she always believed in me, and 501 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: I was able to make her a millionaire and write 502 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: her you know, a multimillion dollar Czech last year just 503 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: for distributions, and so that is the best gift I 504 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: could have ever given her. And like helping the people 505 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: that believed in me and no one else did UM. 506 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: And so I guess I with the news that if 507 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: I would have just stopped with a newsletter it would 508 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: not have been worth two million dollars today, Like you 509 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: know what, we are actively going the media side and 510 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: really excited about it. But what really propelled us to 511 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: success is thinking, Okay, what are superpowers at the news 512 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: that in the newsletter? It's the ability to tell stories 513 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: and engage gen z and millennials, et cetera, which is 514 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: actually really hard for people to do. And also you 515 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: know this empowerment angle of constantly for the news that 516 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: specifically empowering woman, but also UM featuring these incredible, diverse 517 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: women from every background. So we essentially took that ethos 518 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: of empowering people, of amplifying diverse voices of storytelling better 519 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: than anyone else and turned it into an agency model. 520 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: So that's the other part of the business called new Land, 521 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: which we actually kept a secret for the last three 522 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: years because we had so much demand from this one 523 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: huge client that essentially they kept, you know, saying to 524 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: other groups, you know, you need to use this agency, 525 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: or if someone would see one of our ads or 526 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: something and be like, who did that, and then they 527 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: would recommend us that. We literally grew sixteen thousand in 528 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: three years. And the only reason why I know that 529 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: number is because we were recently named number sixteen out 530 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: of inks five thousand most successful companies in America. And 531 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: we literally went from one million in revenue to seven 532 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: million in revenue to forty million in revenue with fifteen 533 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: people last year. And now you know, we've like quadruple 534 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: the team and we're working with other incredible brands. But 535 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: essentially new Land is the agency where we use our 536 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: powers of you know, amplifying diverse voices storytelling, engaging gen 537 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: z and millennials, et cetera, and then take over you know, 538 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: the TikTok's or the Instagram accounts or you know, social 539 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: media campaigns of the biggest brands in the world and 540 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: essentially make them almost like many content destinations instead of 541 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: a billboard. And then we also do massive talent campaigns 542 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: for you know, huge worldwide campaigns and eleven different countries. Uh. 543 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: You know, we've done, uh a TikTok campaign that got 544 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: over eleven billion views where we had Snoop Dogg create 545 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: an original song, We wrote the song, we had to 546 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: record it. It became a huge TikTok viral hit all storytelling, 547 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: and so that has really propelled our company into such 548 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: a big, you know, a totally different universe that I 549 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: ever thought I would be in, uh, because I wasn't 550 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: afraid to pivot a little bit and say, you know, 551 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: what are we good at? How can we do something 552 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: else with those talents as well. I think a lot 553 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: of the time when creating something you're so focused on 554 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: like one small detail, but it's kind of zooming out 555 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: looking at the larger picture and having those different avenues 556 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: of revenue and just having the baseline be being a 557 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: storyteller is really awesome. Yeah, you have to take one 558 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: work with Bright. But when we come back, I want 559 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: to talk to you about a new company with Selena 560 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: Gomez and Mandy Tefe, Wondermind, which is making such an 561 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: impact in the world around mental health. We'll be right back, 562 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: and we're back now. You're on the next journey as 563 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: well with wonder Mind, which I am so excited to 564 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: talk to you about. First, I want to ask you 565 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: what mental fitness means to you. Yeah, so essentially, you know, um, 566 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: I am the co founder and co CEO of wonder Mind, 567 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: and the mission of wonder Mind is to um de 568 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: stigmatize and democratize mental health and introduce this concept that 569 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: we call mental fitness. And so my co founder, Selena 570 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Gomez and many TV and I we basically realized that 571 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: the stigma and the lack of you know, resources for 572 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: people who didn't have you know, I don't have a 573 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: thousand dollars an hour for a session with the best psychiatrist, 574 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: is really the reason why you know, there's so much 575 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: stigma and there's there's such a barrier to entry in 576 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: the mental health space. And so we thought, what if 577 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: we call it mental fitness? So working on your mental 578 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: health in little ways every day, whatever that looks like 579 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: for you, because that's a way lower barrier to entry 580 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: for somebody that might be like, well, I don't want to, 581 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, work on my mental health, like that implies 582 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: something's wrong with me. And we're also not just for 583 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: people with diagnosed mental illnesses like myself and yourself were 584 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: for anybody with feelings. And so every single thing that 585 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: we do, from content to the products that we're releasing, 586 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: everything is merchandised by feeling. So I feel anxious, I 587 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: feel lonely, I feel scared, I feel sad at And 588 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: then we have the best psychiatrist, therapist, social workers in 589 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: the world from these diverse backgrounds, essentially looking at all 590 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: of our content, making sure that we're being very responsible 591 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: and anything that's ever a recommendation or a tip or 592 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: somebody you know, explaining what catastrophizing actually means or what 593 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: is the definition of o c V And you're probably 594 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: using it wrong when you say, you know, I'm so 595 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: c D. I left to have all of my pens 596 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: in order. Whatever it is there, that's all coming from 597 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: these licensed therapists and social workers and experts. So we're 598 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: not you know, arm chair therapists at all. But we're 599 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: essentially creating content every single day in the media side 600 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: of Wonder Mind. That is editorializing mental fitness and making 601 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: it fun for you to participate every single day, and 602 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: then also making it like this beautiful, sexy, alluring experience 603 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: that if you are on you know, a piece of 604 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: our content, people aren't like, oh, is that you know 605 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: web MD or psychology today? It really looks fun and 606 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: exciting and engaging. And also talking to the biggest names 607 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: in the world likes Lena Gomez, like Serena Williams, who's 608 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: one of our lead investors, um you know, Camilla Cabeo, etcetera. 609 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: That also is you know, going to help hopefully destigmatize 610 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: mental health and mental fitness and make it so that 611 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: everybody feels just like for physical fitness you work out 612 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: or you you know, eat healthier, whatever you do, how 613 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: to work out the mind, Yeah, that you should also 614 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: work out your mind. The first drop was the three 615 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: times a week newsletter. We have two huge launches coming 616 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: up in the next two months that is going to 617 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: expand that even more. The production side, so creating stories 618 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: with the biggest you know, streamers, and producers in the 619 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: world UH to actually change culture and zeitgeist around you know, 620 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: mental health and mental fitness. And then finally being the 621 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: first company to ever work with the best experts in 622 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: the world in psychiatry to create physical, tangible, non nical 623 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: mental fitness tools that are priced for the masses. So 624 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: everything again is made for UH everyone to be able 625 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: to access, so the content will never be paid. Well, 626 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: do we have incredible brand partners that we work with 627 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: that help us, you know, create this content and have 628 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: it for free for anybody who wants to access it, 629 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: no matter what your background is so amazing. Yes, and 630 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: the products are also going to be an affordable price 631 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: point as well, because we believe everybody should be able 632 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: to practice mental fitness. So what products are we talking about. 633 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: I can't really say a lot about the products, but 634 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: all I can say is, you know, every time that 635 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: we say we're introducing mental fitness products, people are like, 636 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: what does that mean? And that is so exciting to 637 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: us because truly, like people don't even know what that 638 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: could encompass. But it's essentially taking um, you know, behavioral therapies, 639 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: et cetera and UH and developing products that are non clinical, 640 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: they are not harmful in any way, etcetera. You know, 641 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: an example I could give you as a stress ball 642 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: that is technically a mental fitness product, but we're going 643 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: way deeper and actually, you know, building a beautiful brand 644 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: for men and women to have these tools at their 645 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: you know, disposal. And I feel like, I'm so glad 646 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: that you mentioned the tool kit thing, because every time 647 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: I go to therapy. I've been to therapy since I 648 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: was seven. I've done exposure therapy for years. That's sewesome. 649 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: We always talk about putting yourself out there and finding 650 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: products and find finding things that are good for you 651 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: and that makes you feel good. Yes, when you're down, 652 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: what makes you feel good? What do you do to 653 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: help yourself? Well? First of all, uh, it's so amazing 654 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: that you've been seeing a therapist since you're seven years old, 655 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: and definitely very jealous of that, and that is one 656 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: of the reasons why I, you know, have dedicated myself 657 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: to another company because I truly want I don't want 658 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: anyone to ever all the way I felt, where you 659 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: are completely alone and you have to basically figure out 660 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: your mental health just by you know, scratching everything together 661 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 1: and having no support. So that's amazing. UM. I think 662 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: people think, you know, when they see the Forbes headline 663 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: that you know, twenty million dollars whatever, you know, that 664 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: I don't have bad days and that I've just made it. 665 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: But I truly have bad days. Almost every day. I 666 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: feel like I get it punched as an entrepreneur, as 667 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, you have punched in the face like fifteen 668 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: times a day, fifty times a day. Um. You know, 669 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: I have a lot of uh personal stuff that I 670 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: deal with as well, and so I definitely do have 671 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: those low moments and they usually come you know, after 672 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: my sprint of a work day or sometimes during And 673 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: the one thing that I do is I really like 674 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: to meditate. I don't do it on a daily basis. 675 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm definitely not good meditate tating person. I tried to 676 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: do our best. The only thing that I m able 677 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: to do as a sleep meditation. But I want you 678 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: to know, I it's it's from some app, but like 679 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: that's the only voice that doesn't make me just want 680 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: to like smash my phone. Um. And it's basically like UM, 681 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: engaging every part of your body, so like relax your toes, 682 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: relax your legs, relax your jaw and like for me, 683 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: it's like my jaw was clenched and I didn't even realize. Yeah, 684 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: I basically, um, what do I do? I like I 685 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: my teeth. I like brush my keeth against each other 686 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: while I sleep, like I like grind them together. It's horrible. 687 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: My jaws always tight. And so it basically gives you 688 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: a second to just like be in your body and 689 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: that makes me feel a lot more grounded. Or I'll 690 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: call my mother or my like twin sister, or I'll 691 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: go to my dogs. I have two beautiful poodles that 692 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: I'll just go hug and be like I'm doing this 693 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: all for you, um, and just be you know, so 694 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: happy with that. So those are the things that really 695 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: it's like feelings and touching and you know, from minding 696 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: myself why I'm doing all of this, that really helps me, 697 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, get out of those states. But like you know, 698 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: it's not that easy. Sometimes it lasts a bit longer. 699 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: I know, sometimes I kind of just have to let 700 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: it be and feel it and that sucks. But you 701 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: just kind of have to go through the motions of 702 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 1: it as sometimes which is never fun. But I feel 703 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: like it just makes you appreciate the good moments more. Yeah, 704 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean you're what you're describing is um 705 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: is called uh what an exposure, So like sitting in 706 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: the discomfort and uh you know that definitely is a 707 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: really good coping mechanism because it helps you become stronger. 708 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, I don't feel strong enough to 709 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: do that, and that's the reality. Oh same here. Yeah, 710 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: and those moments I lay in my bed and I 711 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: curl into a ball and I have some fairy lights 712 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: and I look at some good music. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes 713 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: you just need to take a second. Um. You know, 714 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't have the luxury during the workday to really 715 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: just kind of step away from everything, and so I 716 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: just kind of you know again, I do everything like 717 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: a sprint, So I just go through all my calls 718 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: and kind of not think about it. And that's why, 719 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: like at night, that's when it really hits me. Um. 720 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: But I just I like to think about the things 721 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: in my life that are going well and the people 722 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: that I'm hopefully hopefully helping with, you know, stuff like 723 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: the news that and and wonder mind um, and that 724 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: really just puts everything into perspective. So how did wonder 725 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: mine come to be? I know, you met Selena and 726 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: Mandy on a zoom call for the news that at 727 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: what point where you like, hey, we should start a 728 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: company together. Yeah, so Selena, Mandy and I, Um, we're 729 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: on a zoom. I asked, you know, my editorial team 730 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: if I did do the interview. They had no idea 731 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: why I would want to do the interview, because you know, 732 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: I had written the news that every single day for 733 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: I think four or five years, and then I handed 734 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: it over to the editorial team. They're much more talented 735 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: than I am. Um, and so they were like, and 736 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: she like, you know, have of a midlife crisis where 737 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: she wants to write the newsletter again. But the reason 738 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: was because it was a mental health interview and no 739 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: one on my team or in my life knew I 740 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: had any connection to mental health because I had never 741 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: talked about it. It was so embarrassing to me. I 742 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: truly would have rather like died than been vocal about 743 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: my O c D at that point, which I know 744 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: sounds very extreme, but that's truly how I felt. I 745 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: felt like telling anybody I had O c D was 746 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: almost like the most embarrassing thing I could ever say, 747 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: because not only am I like this Latina woman twenty 748 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: something trying to be taken seriously in the business world, 749 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,479 Speaker 1: I didn't want to add o c D on top 750 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: of that, which is not the right mindset that I 751 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: should have had, but that's how I thought. And so 752 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 1: after listening to Selena and Mandy, who are both incredibly um, 753 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: you know, successful in their own light, and they just 754 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: so happened to be mother daughter saying things to each other, 755 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: some of the stuff for the first time about their 756 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: mental health and their journeys really inspired me at the 757 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: end of the interview to tell them they were like 758 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: the fourth and fifth people I've ever told that I 759 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: had been struggling with those CD and depression, etcetera since 760 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: I was a child, and that, you know, I that 761 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: was the first time I was ever saying and I 762 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: was saying it to, you know, the most famous person 763 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: in the world and this incredibly decorated producer, And so 764 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: at that point we stayed in touch, and Mandy and 765 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: I were basically like, how can we change the world 766 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: and really do something that helps people like that gets 767 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: to the root of everything, not just you know, their 768 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: incredible companies offering therapy, etcetera. But like, what about the 769 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: people who do won't even take that step to get 770 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 1: a therapist, or what if what about the people who 771 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: already have a therapist? You know, having a therapist is 772 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: almost like having a personal trainer. You see them once 773 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: a week for you know, an hour if you're lucky, 774 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: more resources. Yeah. So, and if you just lean on that, 775 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: you're not going to get a states pack or you know, 776 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: achieve your fitness goals. You have to do the work 777 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: every other day in between sessions. And that's really what 778 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: we want to create. And so Mandy and I had 779 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: so many discussions about it. Selena had always wanted to 780 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 1: do something to change the world with mental health because 781 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: it was such a big part of her life, and 782 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: so Mandy and I came together and we, you know, well, 783 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: like this is what we want to do, and Selena 784 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: wanted to be involved and it really just went from there. 785 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: That is so amazing. And thank you for creating a 786 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: company in this startup and this and telling stories because 787 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: they need to be told, and breaking the statement is 788 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: so important and I just want to thank you again 789 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: for just taking the time out of your day to 790 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: chat with me about this. Because I as I wish 791 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: more people were as open as you are, because it's 792 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: so refreshing. Well, thank you so much. And you know, 793 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: I almost feel bad that it took me this long 794 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: to be open, and it took me to feel like 795 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: I had already achieved some level of success to then 796 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: be like, okay, but this is really what's under the hood. 797 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to ever feel like they have 798 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: off to you know, hit a certain level and then 799 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: be open. That's exactly why, you know, I am in 800 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: love with the our mission for a wonder Mind and 801 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: want to help so many people, and so thank you 802 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: so much for giving me, you know, the platform to 803 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: share what we're doing at the news Thatt and new 804 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: Landing Agency and Wonder Mind, because you know, you are 805 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,439 Speaker 1: someone that I really look up to and and love 806 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: to hear stories from. And the fact that I'm going 807 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 1: to be on your show is is really a pinch 808 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: me moment. So thank you so much for your time. 809 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and I'm very excited for the future. 810 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: So make sure you check out the news that Wondermind everything. 811 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: It's some awesome impact driven stuff, which is what we 812 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: need in the world. And thank you for creating something 813 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: that shares the stories of the most incredible people in 814 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: the world. And then me, you know, like, thank you 815 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: for having me. And I'm so impressed you know, you 816 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: are in college, like the fact that you're joining Oh 817 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: my gosh, wow, you just you're You're even more successful 818 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: than I ever dreamed of being at twenties. So just 819 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: congratulations on your success and thank you again for having me. 820 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: It was such a pleasure. H