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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death Presents External Exams with Nicole and Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome to Mother Knows Death. Recently, on Mother

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Speaker 2: Knows Death, we talked about a local news story involving

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Speaker 2: three cars pulled out of the river, one of which

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Speaker 2: that had human remains belonging to a woman who was

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Speaker 2: missing for fourteen years. It's always shocking when a missing

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Speaker 2: person is found years later, but this case was even

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Speaker 2: more shocking because the body was not found by police,

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Speaker 2: but it was found by a nonprofit missing person's advocacy

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Speaker 2: organization called United Search Corps. On today's External Exam, we

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Speaker 2: will be talking to Doug Bishop, who is an underwater

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Speaker 2: search and rescue expert as well as founder of United

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Speaker 2: Search Corps. Hi, Doug, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being here. I just learned about

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Speaker 2: your organization and I can't wait to share it with

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Speaker 2: all of our listeners because it's so great. But before

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Speaker 2: we start talking about this recent case, I want to

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Speaker 2: know a little bit about your background, like how did

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Speaker 2: you get interested in underwater search and recovery?

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Speaker 1: Right, pretty much by accident. I've spent my entire life

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Speaker 1: in the towing industry, and several years ago I got

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Speaker 1: into recovering vehicles underwater, utilizing different technology to discover vehicles

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Speaker 1: in order to recover them for environmental purposes, and it

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Speaker 1: just completely transformed into helping families full time to find

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Speaker 1: their missing loved ones, particularly in missing ursus cold cases

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Speaker 2: So that is why you started this organization. What made

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Speaker 2: you feel like there was a need for this particular organization,

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Speaker 2: Were you having people to you or what made you

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Speaker 1: Well, after being a part of solving dozens of cold

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Speaker 1: cases in similar fashion, we you know, came to the

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Speaker 1: this type of specialized searching within missing persons cases. When

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Speaker 1: then you're now factoring in different agencies a lack of

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Speaker 1: So we're encroaching on what uncovered a gray area within

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Speaker 1: large scale, but also give back and correct the gray

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Speaker 2: Does your organization just specialize in underwater rescue or is

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Speaker 2: it for any person that's missing someone or has a

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Speaker 1: You know, each case is unique, no case, no case

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Speaker 1: We work with other organizations when we're not the right resource.

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Speaker 2: So how does a family This is my question because

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Speaker 2: a great thing that you're doing. It's just how does

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Speaker 1: You know, ad United search core dot org. That's our

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Speaker 2: So when you get cases submitted to you, what what's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we number one, we process every email our

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Speaker 1: So a lot of the missing person's cases that do

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Speaker 2: And for this particular case that we're talking about. So

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Speaker 2: this family called you, how how can you give us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we initially did not get notified by family

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Speaker 1: in the Philly Camden region. We have seventeen different cases

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Speaker 2: What made you guys look in that particular area for

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Speaker 1: Pretty much every case that we do, before we do it,

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Speaker 1: In this particular case, the biggest thing was, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess that would make sense that she

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Speaker 2: It's just like a little shady back here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's really dark. It's a really dark area.

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Speaker 2: It's not It's funny because the Cooper River is very beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Well that's good to know because I live here.

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, long I have to look over

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Speaker 1: your shoulder wondering, ohways at them? Or am I going

435
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Speaker 1: to see them? Or I wonder if they're coming back,

436
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Speaker 1: or I wonder if this horrific thing happened, or you know,

437
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Speaker 1: there's so many different variables to it.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when an adult is missing with a car there,

439
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: I guess there always is the possibility that they just

440
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Speaker 2: kind of ran away and started a new life or something.

441
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Speaker 2: And I can't even imagine what that's like. And then

442
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Speaker 2: growing up as a child with your mother missing like

443
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Speaker 2: that and feeling did they not want to did they

444
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Speaker 2: not love me? Did they leave me? You know, you

445
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Speaker 2: just don't have any And she she had a history

446
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Speaker 2: of depression or something. Is that correct?

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she had some issues with with with depression.

448
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: They tended those things tended to get inflated a little bit,

449
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Speaker 1: like I was telling you about, the little thing become

450
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Speaker 1: really big things, and you know, in an investigative standpoint

451
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Speaker 1: and so forth, Yeah, it's it's natural for that to happen.

452
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Speaker 1: You know, there were some factors that led people to

453
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Speaker 1: believe you know that she left, she might have harmed herself,

454
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Speaker 1: and so forth. A lot of times when we find

455
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Speaker 1: the where, it makes the why a lot more clear.

456
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Speaker 1: In this scenario, I mean, I firmly believe that this

457
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Speaker 1: is simply an accident along the corner of that road,

458
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Speaker 1: late at night, it's very dark, zero zero obstructions to

459
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Speaker 1: get in, and you know, there's obviously other vehicles in

460
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Speaker 1: there too that went in at that same spot or nearby.

461
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Speaker 1: It's just so easy to say, oh, you know, she

462
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Speaker 1: did this or she did that. It's it's not a

463
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Speaker 1: natural thing to do. You know, That's not a natural

464
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Speaker 1: way for a you know, a woman to go. Yeah,

465
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Speaker 1: So I believe it was just an accident, just a

466
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Speaker 1: really tragic accident.

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484
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Speaker 2: will see there. What time of year did she go missing.

485
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Speaker 2: I'm just curious if it was like icy conditions or anything.

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Speaker 1: No, there were no icy conditions. It was really good

487
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Speaker 1: weather in but it was at night when she went missing. Theoretically,

488
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Speaker 1: there were neighbors that said that she left late at night,

489
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Speaker 1: and it fit the Sun's timeline. The Sun had visited

490
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Speaker 1: with her the night before prior, and she was fine,

491
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Speaker 1: She was very loving. She had had a couple of

492
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Speaker 1: drinks that evening. I believe there was a beer still

493
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Speaker 1: sitting on the porch. So why she went out, we

494
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Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know why she went out, but

495
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Speaker 1: I think it's just just simply an accident.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can on that road back there.

497
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Speaker 2: It's it is pitch dark back there, and it's the

498
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Speaker 2: back of a shopping center, which isn't the greatest shopping center,

499
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Speaker 2: so it's probably not well lit. And you could drive

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Speaker 2: really fast on that road if you wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And while we were sitting there, we were,

502
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Speaker 1: you know, wondering, like, man, we're going to see it

503
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Speaker 1: in right here because a big sweeping bin. Cars are

504
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Speaker 1: racing back and forth, and you know, there's a lot

505
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Speaker 1: of energy back there, like you were getting at and people,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, up to no good people that are in

507
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Speaker 1: and through there. They're cutting through from main Street to

508
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Speaker 1: main Street, so they're rushing to get through there. And

509
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Speaker 1: then at night it's so dark, even when they're with

510
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Speaker 1: me and you know, the FBI and other people out

511
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Speaker 1: there that like it was pitch pitch black out there,

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Speaker 1: and if it weren't for the lights on our dive unit,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's really really creepy back there at night.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: I've known you've done some other interviews before this even happened,

516
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Speaker 2: just because you are an underwater recovery expert, and I

517
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Speaker 2: know that you were recently on the news talking about

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Speaker 2: the men who died in the Francis Scott Key Bridge

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Speaker 2: in Baltimore when it collapsed. Can you explain what may

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Speaker 2: have happened to the victims in that case on the bridge? Yeah,

521
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: like they were they were working on the bridge, right,

522
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Speaker 2: and some of them were possibly inside of their truck

523
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Speaker 2: eating lunch or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the initiative reports that we got and

525
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Speaker 1: so forth, you know, coroborated that like they were having lunch.

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Speaker 1: There were several of them that were in a vehicle

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Speaker 1: or two and they were trapped, absolutely trapped. You know,

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Speaker 1: whether or not it's you know, a bridge tragedy, an

529
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Speaker 1: accident like we're discussing that Bernardine was in, or a

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Speaker 1: simple roadside accident. It's key to have something that will

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Speaker 1: prevent you from being trapped within your vehicle. I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine what that's like. I know, I've found a

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Speaker 1: lot of people trapped that were trapped in their vehicle,

534
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Speaker 1: and I can guarantee you each and every one of

535
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Speaker 1: them wished they had something that could get out of

536
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Speaker 1: the vehicle. So I'm very passionate about the the tool

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Speaker 1: that we sell on our website, United search core dot org,

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Speaker 1: The Window Breaker it's made in America. It's the most

539
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Speaker 1: cost effective ten dollars you can spend in your entire life.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much. It will save your life, it can help

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Speaker 1: save somebody else's life. It'll cut your seatbelt, it'll bust

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Speaker 1: open your window, and it's priceless. It's absolutely priceless to

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Speaker 1: have one of those on your keychain. And if you

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Speaker 1: don't have it, it's going to take a miracle to

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Speaker 1: get out of your vehicle. It's not easy. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of myths of using your head rest to get out.

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Speaker 1: Your head rest is not going to break your window,

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Speaker 1: your visor or some people have these fancy devices that

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Speaker 1: they keep in their glovebox. Anything in your glovebox is

550
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Speaker 1: not going to be accessible in an emergency. The odds

551
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Speaker 1: of you being able to reach your glove box when

552
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Speaker 1: you're pined to your seat or so forth, or your

553
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Speaker 1: car has flipped, or your car has gone underwater and

554
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Speaker 1: you know there's pressure issues and all that, just those

555
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Speaker 1: seconds of having that in your globbox is not going

556
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Speaker 1: to help you. You need something that's accessible near your

557
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Speaker 1: steering wheel and it's going to stay there within arm's reach,

558
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Speaker 1: or it's not going to be of use in order

559
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Speaker 1: to save your life. Those moments are I'm sure, really

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Speaker 1: really horrific moments for anybody who has, you know, gone

561
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Speaker 1: through anything like that. I've been in a towing industry

562
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Speaker 1: in my whole life, so I'm very familiar with really

563
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Speaker 1: bad accidents and whether that's in water or on land.

564
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Speaker 1: Simple car accidents kill people every single day, simply from

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Speaker 1: smoke inhalation. A small accident that you would look at

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Speaker 1: and think, wow, somebody died in that accident. Well, yeah,

567
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Speaker 1: their doors were pinned a little bit and they couldn't

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Speaker 1: get out. Meanwhile, you know, smoke got into the cab

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Speaker 1: and and you know they couldn't release the smoke because

570
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Speaker 1: the windows don't go down, so you need something to

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Speaker 1: break the window. There's so many different factors of why

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Speaker 1: it's important to have that particular tool, Like I was

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Speaker 1: on Fox discussing, it's important it'll save your life or

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Speaker 1: to save somebody else's life. Whether it's a hot day

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Speaker 1: like you were talking about it today it was a

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Speaker 1: hot day at the zoo. If you were to come

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Speaker 1: in the.

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Speaker 2: Parking ride, my brain completely.

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Speaker 1: And if if you're in a park a lot and

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Speaker 1: there's a child or an animal trapped in a car

581
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Speaker 1: and you can seriously see that something like this, they

582
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Speaker 1: need to be rescued. If you have that on your keychain,

583
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Speaker 1: you can easily pop somebody's window. And I'm not advocating

584
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Speaker 1: for this, but absolutely do it. You know you can.

585
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Speaker 1: You can save a pet, a child. It happens all

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Speaker 1: the time, all the time. Every single day, somebody loses

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Speaker 1: their life because they do not have one of those devices.

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Speaker 1: And it's ten bucks ten dollars. Is I mean we

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Speaker 1: can even buy anything anymore for ten dollars, let.

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Speaker 2: Alone, you can make a coffee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's tough. In any of those that we sell,

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Speaker 1: all one percent of the proceeds go to helping families

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Speaker 1: advocating for them searching. Every little bit of it goes

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Speaker 1: to what it is that we do at United Search School.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the guys on the Francis Scott key

596
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Speaker 2: Bridge if they had a similar type of tool? And

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00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: because this is how I look at it, and this

598
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Speaker 2: is why I'm glad that I heard that interview with you,

599
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Speaker 2: because I don't I don't really think about that. I

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Speaker 2: drive in the car all the time with my kids

601
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Speaker 2: and stuff, but I don't. I'm like a regular person.

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Speaker 2: I don't really think about that I'm ever going to

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Speaker 2: fall into the water because I say, like, oh, I

604
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Speaker 2: don't live down the shore, even though I do cross

605
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Speaker 2: water all the time, I'm on the bridge whatever, so

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really. I never really thought about

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Speaker 2: what I would do if I was in the car

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Speaker 2: with the kids. So what is this acronym that you

609
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Speaker 2: have that helps people with that?

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Speaker 1: So it's swoc or it used to be sw COO.

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Speaker 1: But the gist of it is when you have that tool,

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Speaker 1: it's you cut your seatbelt. If you cannot catch your

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Speaker 1: seatbelt off. A lot of times your seat belt will jam.

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Speaker 1: You cannot get it off. Your seat belt will kill

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Speaker 1: you in a lot of these car accidents. So having

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Speaker 1: something that can slice through it seatbelts Number one. Window,

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Speaker 1: You go for your window, whether your electronics still work,

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Speaker 1: put it down. If they don't work, which is really common,

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Speaker 1: or it's the pressure won't allow it to go down.

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Speaker 1: You can use it to bust the window open. After

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Speaker 1: your window is open, your seatbelt window out. Children are first.

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Speaker 1: That's the acronym as we stand right now, And this

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Speaker 1: is developed by Gordon respect Out of Canada, who is

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Speaker 1: a professional when it comes to being trapped in a

625
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Speaker 1: vehicle underwater. He has done the most extensive research when

626
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Speaker 1: it comes to that, and that's what it is that

627
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Speaker 1: we follow at the United Starch Corp. Which is seat

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Speaker 1: belt first, then your window out. Children are first. Always

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Speaker 1: children first, because once you get out, you're not getting

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Speaker 1: back in that vehicle. So if you were to get

631
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Speaker 1: out and your children are in there, your children are trapped,

632
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Speaker 1: you have seconds to react. In some of these cases,

633
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Speaker 1: your car does not float flaw depending on the current.

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Speaker 1: Every car is different, everybody of water is different temperature,

635
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Speaker 1: there's so many different factors what a vehicle does when

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Speaker 1: it enters water that it's just a second's count. So seatbelt,

637
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Speaker 1: window out, children are first. That's the acronym everybody needs

638
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Speaker 1: to remember when they're trapped in an accident of any kind,

639
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: which is seatbelt, window children first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so good to know, because it's just I

641
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Speaker 2: think that a lot of people every day that are

642
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Speaker 2: just living their life and distracted by everything just aren't

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Speaker 2: thinking about that kind of stuff. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: a rescue as expert like yourself will always you would

645
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Speaker 2: be fine in that situation. But like a regular person.

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Speaker 1: I can't even say that because seconds count, you know,

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Speaker 1: seconds count. So if I'm not able to, you know,

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Speaker 1: I will. You know, I can fall victim to anybody can't.

649
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Speaker 1: But being aware of this and taking the appropriate measures

650
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Speaker 1: to mitigate risks, such as having a little ten dollars tool,

651
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: is key, you know, because like you said, you don't

652
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: think you live near water, but you cross over it.

653
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: I've had cars clear those little concrete barrier walls on

654
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Speaker 1: the outside of bridges and nobody ever even know guard reels.

655
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Accidents happen, cars go off road, the other person involved

656
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: in the accident never stops because they're intoxicated or they're

657
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: wanted or whatever factors. Reading they don't stay. Meanwhile, you know,

658
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: nobody saw anything, you know, and there's no sign of

659
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: any damage to a bridge or a guard reel. So

660
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: it can happen. It can happen, absolutely to anybody in

661
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is it's not just water. It's not

662
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: just water. The odds of you going into water and

663
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: losing your life are so small. You have way more

664
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Speaker 1: odds of losing your life in a just a simple

665
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Speaker 1: car accident on the roadway without even going into water.

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Speaker 1: You know, so it's it's knowing about simply that tool.

667
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not here to just sell a tool. It's

668
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: not about that. But it really is critical. It really

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00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: is critical. When you've seen as many when you've recovered

670
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Speaker 1: as many bodies as I have out of vehicles, and

671
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: you've done so in predicaments, you can tell that that

672
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: person was trying to escape, they were trapped and literally

673
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: a glass coffin sort of. I mean, it's important. It's

674
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: important when you've cleaned up as many accidents as I

675
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: have from from you know that are fatal that people

676
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: should have lived in simply because they were trapped and

677
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: died of smoke inhalation or fire. And it's important, it's

678
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: really really important. One of the most dangerous things anybody

679
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: listened into this or watching us will ever do is

680
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Speaker 1: get behind the wheel of a car. It's extremely deadly.

681
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Speaker 1: You know, we're so comfortable in our cars. We love them,

682
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Speaker 1: no matter how fancy or much of a beater it is.

683
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 1: We're so comfortable. It's our car. You know, we're listening

684
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: to music. We all have our own little vibe in

685
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: our car, and it's our own little bubble. That bubble

686
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: gets popped, really really quickly, and it always happens when

687
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: you least expect it. You know, death doesn't give notices

688
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: until after the fact, you know, so there's no warning.

689
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: So what are you supposed to do? You know, you're

690
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: you got to just be aware and then also, you know,

691
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Speaker 1: take the necessary steps to equip yourself to be prepared

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Speaker 1: for an emergency. It's really the biggest thing that you

693
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Speaker 1: can do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's smart because I wait, you just got me

695
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: when you were saying, oh, what are you going to

696
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: grab something in your glove compartment? And I think, like

697
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: I have napkins in there, some extra straws and like

698
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: phone chargers, So there's just nothing that would be able

699
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 2: to even caught a seat out for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of other devices out

701
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: there that claim that they can, you know, save your

702
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: life and this and that, and you know it, the

703
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: one we sells made right here in America, and it's

704
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: regular regularly rigorously rigorously tested with really really high end

705
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: you know certifications. It's any other tool is going to

706
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: be made, you know, not in America. They're not certified

707
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: like that. And it is really important that you have

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Speaker 1: the appropriate tool and a lot of those other ones

709
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: that don't even really work, and it works sometimes they

710
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: cost so much and they're not going to save your life.

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00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Anything in a glob box is not going to save

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Speaker 1: your life. You might as well put it in the trunk.

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Speaker 2: Really, I have it's true because you think you don't

714
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Speaker 2: think about your car getting smushed up in the process too,

715
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Speaker 2: Like it's not like you normally sit in your car.

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00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I put myself down and everything else. I put

717
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: myself in a vehicle and flipped it up down with

718
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Speaker 3: a forklift. And it was shocking how I was pinned

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Speaker 3: to my seat by my seat belt. It was it

720
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Speaker 3: was shocking to me, even though I knew I was

721
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Speaker 3: being flipped over when I was upside down on my

722
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Speaker 3: seat belt, the way I was pinned to my seat

723
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Speaker 3: was Yeah, like I said, if it's not around your

724
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Speaker 3: steering wheel and within arm's reach, and I'm not talking

725
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Speaker 3: about leaning arms reach because you were pinned to your seat.

726
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: If it's not within arm's reach, say your visor or

727
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: your you know, dash steering wheel area, you're not going

728
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Speaker 3: to be able to access it.

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00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: In a lot of accidents, it's not going to be

730
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: able to It's it's really well, I know what I'm buying.

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Speaker 2: When this interview is done, you're gonna be like, you

732
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: need to send me one of those right away. So

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Speaker 2: all right, So we obviously know about this case that

734
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Speaker 2: we just talked about this week, have you This isn't

735
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: the first one that you've that you've helped out with.

736
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Speaker 2: So you've done this before and gave closure to families

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00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: before in different situations.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, the dozens of times locally. We can talk

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Speaker 1: about the other one that the Prosecutor's office just sort

740
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: of unsealed yesterday, which was the case that I saw

741
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago in Richfield Park, New Jersey,

742
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: right outside of Jersey City, West, New York. Charles Stanton

743
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Murphy vanished forty two years ago, And oh wow, Yeah,

744
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: I found his vehicle just a couple of blocks from

745
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: where he was last seen forty two years yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so mind blowing that you know, you're you're

747
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: looking for your family member all this time and they've

748
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: been especially this morning, Camden, like, these people have probably

749
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: driven by that area of the river for years, hundreds

750
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: of times just to think she's right there.

751
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Wow, I like your word for word what was said

752
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: to me with family and friends. It's just beyond disbelief.

753
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: And it's typical once we make a discuss because you

754
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: start like wow, like how many times have I been here?

755
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I've even fished here and so forth,

756
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: Like it's it's pretty mind blowing once you realize, wow,

757
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: really all of this time, like right here obviously, you

758
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: know we're talking about areas not a lot of people

759
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: want to be in. Most of these waterways. We make

760
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: discoveries and you know they're they're not really swam in,

761
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: they're really you know, some of them are murky and his. Yeah,

762
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: you just would never think what's below the surface of

763
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: a lot of waters in America but out of side,

764
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: out of mind type of thing. What's below the surface

765
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 1: you just don't know. And if it was pretty water,

766
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: everything would be found already. So a lot of it

767
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: has to do with you know, just yeah.

768
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Speaker 2: So those other cars, So you said you found a

769
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: totalist six cars, So those other ones are still under

770
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: there and nobody has any idea what's why are they're there? Like,

771
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: what's happening with that?

772
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I dove on all of the vehicles.

773
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: It's not accessible.

774
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: I dove on all of the vehicles, I assess them.

775
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: We turn that data over to the prosecutor's office. They

776
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: are handling it. They do have a really good plan

777
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: in place to take care of that. I can't discuss

778
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: that information just because it's still being investigated within the

779
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: prosecutor's office, but they're taking the appropriate measures necessary to

780
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: make it happen, though, I can tell you that they

781
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: took it very serious.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well, thanks so much for being here today.

783
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: It was really great to talk to you. And I'm

784
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: sure everyone that's listening now is just happy to have

785
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: this information in case they're currently going through a situation

786
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: like this, or god forbid they're ever in a situation

787
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Speaker 2: like this. It's just good to know that there's someone

788
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: out there advocating for you, because, I mean, the police

789
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: are busy too, right, so once yea, once they're done

790
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: working with your case and they're dead with leads, it's

791
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: kind of like they need to move on to the

792
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: next case too. So yeah, justify, Thanks so much for

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00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: being here.

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00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're welcome, You're welcome. Thank you for having me,

795
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just to reiterate on that, you know,

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00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: the justification they have to justify their user resources. Every

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00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: department does in order to best serve the public interests,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't really understand that particular dynamic.

799
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Speaker 1: So it's really nice for you know, our organization, we

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00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: can come in and help families and if we have

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Speaker 1: the resources in order to do searches, we don't have

802
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: to justify it at all. We can come in and

803
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: we can do what we do to help families. And

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Speaker 1: if anybody's listening to this they have a case, they

805
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: can reach out to us at info at United Search

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Speaker 1: Corps dot org.

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Speaker 2: And is do you have I mean, I know that

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Speaker 2: you don't want the families to pay anything. Is there

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00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: some kind of donation process there as well?

810
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: Yes, so we yeah, we don't charge families. And on

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Speaker 1: our website, United searchcore dot org, we have a donation link.

812
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: You can go to the donation tab in the menu section,

813
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: click on donate and that's exactly how we operate. One

814
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: hundred percent of everything we do is strictly on donations.

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Speaker 1: And it's the one dollar, it's the five dollars, it's

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Speaker 1: every donation counts. Because it's extremely daunting the expenses of

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00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: the logistics behind these type of searches. It's it's pretty

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Speaker 1: daunting and we don't you know, we don't have government funding,

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Speaker 1: not yet at least, so you know, if donations are

820
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Speaker 1: absolutely critical to get for us helping families. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen without it, so please consider it.

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Speaker 2: That's that's so great, awesome, thanks so much again, thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a

825
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 2: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 2: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 2: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 2: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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Speaker 2: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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