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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Adam go rightly stays with us author filmmaker. The book

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Speaker 2: and the documentary is Saucers, Spooks and Kooks, And we

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Speaker 2: were talking about Paul Bennowitz and the benefit of the

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Speaker 2: Benowitz case. Benowitz saw some strange lights in and around

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Speaker 2: and above a Kirkland Air Force Base where he had

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Speaker 2: a home and was videotaping these lights and recording other

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Speaker 2: things that he had seen and heard. And the Air

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Speaker 2: Force Intelligence Agency was concerned that he was going to

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Speaker 2: disseminate this information, so they sought to discredit him. In

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Speaker 2: order to do that, the theory goes, they used William Moore,

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Speaker 2: the co author of the Roswell incident, to funnel fake documents,

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Speaker 2: Aquarius documents, documents that mentioned ets and Majestic twelve and

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Speaker 2: so forth, hoping Benowitz would disseminate those documents and thereby

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Speaker 2: discredit himself, and then no one would take anything he

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Speaker 2: idea that what he saw were UFOs and not secret

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Speaker 2: government technology. So the other interesting aspect of the Benowitz

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Speaker 2: case is his involvement Paul Benowitz with Myrna Hanson, who

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Speaker 2: claimed that she was abducted. Tell us about Myrna Hanson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was in May of nineteen eighty. Myrna Hanson

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Speaker 3: showed up at the Highway Patrol office in Cimarron, New Mexico.

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Speaker 3: She was hysterical. She claimed her and her son had

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Speaker 3: been abducted by a UFO. The officers there didn't quite

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Speaker 3: know what to do with this situation, but they knew

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Speaker 3: of a fellow by the name of Gabe Veldez, a

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Speaker 3: fellow highway patrolman out of the Dulce area who'd been

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Speaker 3: investigating UFO sidings related to cattle mutilations during this period,

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Speaker 3: and so Gabe Valdez trucked on over to Cimarron picked

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Speaker 3: up this young lady and her son. Valdez was friends

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Speaker 3: with Paul Benowitz, and he knew Benowitz had his contacts

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Speaker 3: through the Aerial Phenomena Research Association, that UFO group that

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Speaker 3: thought they could help this lady by putting her under

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Speaker 3: hypnotic regression to work out whatever happened to her. That

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Speaker 3: was the idea. So Valdez drove her to Benowitz's townhouse

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Speaker 3: there in Albuquerque. He took her in and they called

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Speaker 3: in this hypno therapist. He was doing a lot of

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Speaker 3: the abductions during that period for APRO by the name

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Speaker 3: names in euphology, and Sprinkle came in and the first

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Speaker 3: regression session, Benowitz had concerns that the aliens could read

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Speaker 3: their minds or somehow. By this time, Benowitz was believing

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Speaker 3: that what he was seeing at Kurtland Air Force Base,

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Speaker 3: filming and photographing were ets and they were a national

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Speaker 3: security threat, and so he the first regression they did

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Speaker 3: of her they did in his Lincoln Town carn He

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Speaker 3: of thinking it would deflect the alien's beams, so they

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Speaker 3: couldn't interfere with that session anyway. What Brna Hanson told

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Speaker 3: Benowitz and Sprinkle over a period of time, Brna Hanson

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Speaker 3: and her son, and I believe even Marna Hanson's mother

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Speaker 3: was involved in this, were staying with Beniwitz over a

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Speaker 3: period of time, and she claimed that she had been abducted.

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Speaker 3: Her and her son Sean. They'd first seen this craft

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Speaker 3: and eagle nests New Mexico, which was near Cimarron. A

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Speaker 3: cow transported into the ship, and then she was her

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Speaker 3: they saw the cow dissected, mutilated. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 3: wild story. But as these regressions went on, she had

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Speaker 3: of medical procedure. She had broken free at one point

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Speaker 3: was running through this underground facility where she was seeing

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Speaker 3: vats with human body parts floating in an amber liquid.

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Speaker 3: All this wild stuff, and Benowitz came to believe that

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Speaker 3: and on and on. Through this period that Myrna Hanson

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Speaker 3: was with Benowitz, things really went off the rail. We

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Speaker 3: in the film The Saucers Spooks and Kook's documentary, we

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Speaker 3: were able to get a hold of some phone recordings

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Speaker 3: Benowitz did during this period where he became convinced that

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Speaker 3: the aliens were shooting beams at him. These beams were

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Speaker 3: so strong that at one point it knocked down his wife.

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Speaker 3: He set up like a ferty cage type room to

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Speaker 3: to counter these beams. Once again, remember Benowitz had some

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Speaker 3: things he developed for the military and aircraft for the government,

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Speaker 3: were censors, altimeters, these type of things, and even at

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Speaker 3: one point he developed some type of instrument that was

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Speaker 2: Right, So, I mean what becomes clear, uh, having you know,

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Speaker 2: then has to ask whether Myrna Hanson, the Myrna Hanson abduction,

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Speaker 2: is thrown in Benowitz's direction to further discredit him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I interviewed Greg Valdez, who is Gabe Valdez's son. Remember,

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Speaker 3: Gabe Valdez was the highway patrolman who took Myrna Hanson

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Speaker 3: to Paul Benowitz and started this whole crazy scenario. Greg Valdez,

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Speaker 3: Gabe's son, was there for a lot of these events.

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Speaker 3: He go out with Gabe and investigate cattle mutilations, and

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Speaker 3: even went with Gabe to Paul Benowitz's house upon occasion.

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Speaker 3: And when I interviewed Greg a few years back, he

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Speaker 3: said an interesting thing that, well, perhaps there's a good

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Speaker 3: chance that Myrna Hanson might have been part of this

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Speaker 3: operation to disinform Benowitz. She's an interesting person. She pretty

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Speaker 3: much disappeared after that. I mean, there was one researcher

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of dubious of that. No other research have

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Speaker 3: been able to track her down. Bill Morrison. She went

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Speaker 3: to California. If you do a Google search online, you'll

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Speaker 3: which have come across from Rna Hanson. First off, was

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Speaker 3: an actress from the forties and fifties, So perhaps Myrna

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Speaker 3: Hanson was playing a role. I know, the different people

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Speaker 3: that Leo Sprinkle regressed during that period, they all used

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Speaker 3: pseudonyms for them, you know, basically to protect the identity.

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Speaker 3: So we really don't know. There's a lot of questions

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Speaker 3: there with Myrna Hanson, and nobody really knows what became

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Speaker 2: Right, So, and again I mentioned this off the top.

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Speaker 2: It was my first question out of the shoot, but

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Speaker 2: it bears repeating. This is not to suggest that all

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Speaker 2: alien abductions are fabrications, that all UFO sightings are not genuine.

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Speaker 2: It is we're simply exploring the idea that the various

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Speaker 2: U S intelligence groups, the the Air Force intelligence and

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Speaker 2: so forth, at certain points, at a certain point and

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Speaker 2: at certain times, have have used the UFO e T

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Speaker 2: and have have had times fabricated and manipulated and influenced.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: This this narrative. So I want to get back to Bennington,

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Speaker 2: because he believed at a certain point, again this is

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Speaker 2: only seeing these UFOs over Kirkland, but he was communicating

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Speaker 2: with the the occupants of these craft. Yes, and there

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Speaker 2: is there is a point in time where he is

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Speaker 2: given a computer or he's given some sort of a

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Speaker 2: is this is pretty wild that computer was delivered to

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Speaker 2: him by none other than Jay Allen Heinik a Project

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Speaker 2: Bluebook fame. Is you know that for sure?

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Speaker 3: No, we don't. That's a pretty controversial story. Now according

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Speaker 3: to Bill Moore. During this period, and all this was

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Speaker 3: going on, you know, and Moore was interacting with Dodie

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Speaker 3: he met with More. I'm not sure where it was,

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Speaker 3: but they're out for adult beverages one night, and Heinich

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Speaker 3: Air Force had developed. He passed this along to Paul Benowitz.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Heinech, you know, he had a history there.

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Speaker 3: of this, you know, is possible. Perhaps he was in

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Speaker 3: that time we have you know, this is just Bill

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, with this computer, he was supposedly able

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Speaker 3: to communicate with the ets and also receive different images

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Speaker 3: different folks. Besides, More visited Benewitz at his place there

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Speaker 3: the film where Gabe Valdez is talking about it would

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Speaker 3: print out images kind of what was the technology back then.

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Speaker 3: It was very early.

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Speaker 2: Computer printer matrix printer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, text asks you is what I think it was called.

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Speaker 3: And you could do those images with the dots, and

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Speaker 3: kind of filling your way through all this different information.

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Speaker 3: But he claimed that Benwitz was getting different beeps and

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Speaker 3: he'd ask question, get a beep or some type of

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Speaker 3: from the aliens. Dody felt that it didn't make any

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Speaker 3: so maybe they had a hand the.

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Speaker 2: Point, Sorry Adam, excuse me, but it isn't the point

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Speaker 2: here that the computer that was given to Benowitz and

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Speaker 2: whether it was given to Benwitz by Jay Allen Heinek,

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Speaker 2: which is what William Morris claims, but the computer was

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Speaker 2: actually feeding Benowitz's fabricated messages. In other words, it was

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Speaker 2: the Air Force that they were pretending to be the aliens,

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Speaker 2: and they were feeding Benowitz's information again as part of

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Speaker 2: this campaign to discredit him and perhaps even drive him mad.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and there's different agencies involved too. There was

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Speaker 3: a story that the NSA had bought a townhouse right

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Speaker 3: across from Benowitz and was beaming messages at him. Maybe

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Speaker 3: that was what he was getting over his computer. Of

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Speaker 3: course the NSA. You know, when I first heard that

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Speaker 3: it's pretty common that there's NSA agents many times at a

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Speaker 3: Force bases that are doing counterintelligence and monitoring what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So it could you know, be a number of different

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Speaker 3: agencies alphabet soups, spooks that had their hands in this operation.

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Speaker 2: And whatever happened to Benowitz ultimately did he did he

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Speaker 2: go mad? Did he did he stick to his guns

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Speaker 2: and continue to believe that what he saw at Kirkland

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Speaker 2: Air Force Base wasn't were you know, aliens? Or did

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Speaker 2: he ever? I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 3: At some point his family who helps run the business,

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Speaker 3: encouraged him to seek some mental health because he did

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was totally convinced that the aliens were

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Speaker 3: is he felt his wife had got knocked down by

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Speaker 3: an alien beam. Eventually, yeah, it came to a head

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Speaker 3: and he was spent some time in a mental facility

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Speaker 3: and he got out. I'm not sure how long the

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Speaker 3: period was. He basically left the UFO scene, so to speak,

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Speaker 3: bye by the late By the late nineteen eighties.

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