1 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: You know what I can't I can't control of that. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: And and you know, listen, I've been I've been around 3 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: this league a long time, and you know, if it's 4 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: gonna happen, it's gonna happen, obviously. But but at the 5 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: same time, I still have a job to do, and 6 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: and and that's to you know, you know, get ready 7 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: for a you know, a good division opponent here in 8 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: two weeks. 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to jag Xam. 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: I'm Kaanni Stevens, Brian Sexton, and John Osier are with 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: me this morning. That's head coach Doug Peterson responding to 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: questions about his coaching future as things go forward with 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: this team. A absolutely terrible performance against the Lines. We're 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: gonna start up with big things, which is effort list 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: the worst loss in franchise history. Brian, there's rumors, there's 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: reports about Doug Peterson going forward with this team. 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: Nothing official at this point. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: When we talk about effort, we didn't see any of 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: it in that game. 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 4: Do you remember when I made the case that the 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: Bills Monday Night lost was the worst loss in franchise history. 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not remembering that either. 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: There's no argument this is the most humbling, the most embarrassing, 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 4: the most difficult loss for anyone to swallow, and the 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 4: rumors that were swirling before the wolves are howling at 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 4: the door right now. And it doesn't surprise Doug. He's 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: been around this, and it doesn't surprise all the assistant 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 4: coaches who have to deal with it. It just doesn't 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: make it any easier, John, because the Lions they ran 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: a hook and ladder play. Those are at the end 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 4: of the game, right that's when you're trying to get 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 4: back into the game. They were beating you twenty one 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: to three and it was the second quarter, and they 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: did it because they said, we can do anything we 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: want today. And that's what it felt like that the 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: Jaguars were hapless. And you know, thirty years of covering 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: this football team, they've been bad at times, but hapless 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: is not. 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 5: A word I've ever used to describe them. 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, they've had bad games, bad seasons. 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 5: I know a by Brian. 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 6: Your wife's in real estate, so they know about comps. 43 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 6: It's hard to find a market comp for this. It's 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 6: they scored every time they tried to score. 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 5: The Lions did. 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 6: And not only it wasn't big plays early, it was 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 6: We're gonna get eight and seven and eight. It looked 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 6: like a JV team playing its varsity team, and that's 49 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 6: not supposed to happen in the NFL. It was ridiculous 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 6: and anything more. But like I was thinking about what we're 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 6: gonna say on the show ran and it's it's hard 52 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 6: because the performance spoke for itself. Anything we say is 53 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 6: sort of piling on. Well, it's obvious you can't I 54 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 6: don't know that you can lose worse than that. 55 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 5: The score can be worse. 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 6: But I've never seen anything like it, So I'm not 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 6: sure what else I'm gonna say for a half hour, 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 6: but we'll give it a whirl. I've got one more 59 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 6: thing I want to add to this kind, and that 60 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 6: is you watch their offensive line, and they were always 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 6: four yards past the line of scrimmage involved in the play. 62 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 6: They play at a completely different level than we have 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 6: seen the Jaguars play at in all of twenty twenty four. 64 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 6: They are impressive to watch. 65 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: I think I said last week, I think that the 66 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: Lions are the best team in the NFL. Well, I 67 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: watched some of that Chiefs Bills game yesterday. The Lions 68 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 4: are the best team in the NFL. 69 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: It's not close. Let's go to our second big thing, 70 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: which is three and out again. We're going to do 71 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: our best effort to keep talking about this. John, I 72 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: know you love it. We talked about this offense getting 73 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: slow starts, but the last two weeks with Mac Jones 74 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: at quarterback, you've seen what Trevor Lawrence has been able 75 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: to do with this. 76 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: I already thought what. 77 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: Trevor was doing was impressive, and now when you look 78 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: at what they've done the last two weeks, you realize 79 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: he was doing a lot for this offense. 80 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 6: He's a starting quarterback. He's good, he's a sending all 81 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 6: the stuff we talked about, and Ma's a backup, and 82 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 6: there are certain throws. It appears for the last two 83 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 6: weeks that the defense doesn't have to respect downfield, and 84 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 6: then when he does go downfield, the result has been interceptions. 85 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 6: So I never really thought that there was a question. 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 6: I mean, when Trevor was quote struggling, Oh, let's try 87 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 6: Eimac to Trevor is the starting quarterback. And I guess 88 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 6: for people outside the team, the statistics are so stark 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 6: the difference that they realize it now. But it was 90 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 6: never a question here. 91 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: Trevor is a starting quarterback. You have to help him. 92 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: You have to build a better offensive line for him. 93 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 4: You've got to be able to run the ball better 94 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 4: for him to be as good as he wants to be. 95 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: And you obviously have got to figure out something on defense. 96 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 4: I mean, that's a long laundry list. Three and out again, 97 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: it's become their personality kind that when you need the 98 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 4: offense to give the defense a break, just go and 99 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 4: control the ball for a few minutes. They go three 100 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: and out after each of the Lions' first two touchdown drives, 101 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: and there were seven consecutive, which still baggles my mind. 102 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 5: The offense goes three and outs. Part of that is 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 5: play calling. 104 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: Part of it is execution, but that the third part 105 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 4: of it is it's it's become who this offense is. 106 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 4: It wasn't good the last month, early in the first 107 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 4: half of any of those games. But if Trevor Lawrence 108 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: is in there, at least you think you have a chance. 109 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 3: You didn't yesterday ran You talk about how the lines 110 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: make everything look easy, the Jaguars make everything look difficult. 111 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: That's our final big thing today as we look at 112 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: how difficult things work for the defense. Josh Heinz Allen 113 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: talked after. 114 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 5: The game, today was not our day. 115 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 7: Moving forward, man, I think we have a better message 116 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 7: going tomorrow. Right now, everybody's lost for words, trying to 117 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 7: figure out what to say, what what's going on? 118 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: What it is is? 119 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 7: You know right now it's point it's it's it's almost 120 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 7: like point the finger. But instead of us getting to 121 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 7: that point, we just need to not be emotional. Wait 122 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 7: till tomorrow, watch the tape, triggure out what it is 123 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 7: and move forward from there and uh, then we can 124 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 7: talk about what the heck cammunity to do better. But again, 125 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 7: like I said, Earl, today was. 126 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 5: Not our day. 127 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: Ermy today was yesterday. It was not their day. 128 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: That's for Suair Brian and talk about loss for words, 129 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: trying to figure something out. We know things aren't working 130 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: at this point, and I don't know if we have 131 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: the words either, but we're gonna try. 132 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: Listen, people want someone fired, they want someone cut. The 133 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 4: problem with that is is not starting, it's stopping. I mean, 134 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: because you can point the finger of blame across so 135 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: many different places that aren't working. The defensive line, the 136 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: interior of the defensive line was on its back all 137 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: day long, all day long. The corners, I mean, looks 138 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 4: that passing attack is outstanding and the league is set 139 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 4: up for the passing attack. 140 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: Those corners were just where to go? Where do who go? 141 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 4: Same thing on offense, the offensive line couldn't move anybody 142 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: off the ball on third down and short the quarterback. 143 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 4: I mean, just that's the problem right now, is that 144 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 4: the Jaguars lack something John that they can absolutely say, well, 145 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: we can do this. We can always count on being 146 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 4: able to throw the ball to Evan in room or 147 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: create some room for Traves Etn to find a cutback 148 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: lane and great, you know, game three or four yards, 149 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: you're just left with a pile of what is this? 150 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, they did get the ball to BTJ yesterday, so okay, 151 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 6: that's a bright spot for the future. Earlier. I'm not 152 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 6: at all saying you shouldn't got the ball to BTJ, 153 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 6: but it's so hard to find. It's not even a 154 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 6: silver Lions. It's okay, they did it. Look it's it's uh. 155 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 6: I I think shod Con has to be careful. This 156 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 6: is such a rain of sadness or of criticism, that's 157 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 6: to be careful let's not do anything based on that, 158 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 6: right and not. This is why owners don't make quick 159 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 6: Hey I'm gonna do this right now. So I get 160 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 6: why there was nothing done last night after the game 161 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 6: post game every fans right all, why haven't they been 162 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 6: fired yet? He has to be measured and he has 163 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 6: to decide what's best long term. So I our emotion 164 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 6: is sort of what caused me to think that way. 165 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 6: I guess, Hey, don't make emotional decisions, be measured and 166 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 6: make sure you do it's best for the franchis. 167 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 5: You still have six games to play. 168 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: Right right, I mean, if you start just throwing people out, 169 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: you've got to be functional. And John bears noting you 170 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: want your quarterback because you expect that Trevor Lawrence might 171 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 4: be back in two weeks and Brian Thomas Junior and 172 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: Tank Bigsby. You want some of these young players to 173 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: make the most of the final six weeks, to come 174 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: away with some development, some things that you can feel 175 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: good about. I know that seems ridiculous after fifty two 176 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 4: to six, but you got six more games in seven weeks. 177 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 4: If you just say, you know, push the button, pulled 178 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: the rip cord, everyone's out or at least key players. 179 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: Are you risk the development of some of these guys 180 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 4: at least not taking advantage of it? 181 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 6: Well said better than I said. 182 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: We appreciate Brian's words always sure. 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A very tough one to watch yesterday. 193 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk this all out. Maybe have a 194 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: little therapy session. 195 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 5: Here, Rosie, who gets some laid back on the couch. 196 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: I think we're all we m we all might need 197 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: a break at some point today, So let's talk this out. Brian, uh, 198 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: John and I got the pleasure of watching this in person. 199 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: You got to watch this at home. 200 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: We're not gonna run through everything because I don't particularly 201 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: wanna watch it all again, but let's start with I 202 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: think this drive specifically is the second touchdown drive for 203 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: the Lions. Showed a little bit of everything, and it 204 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: showed me how well this team has been built. John 205 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: audibly reacting when we saw this run from Montgomery off 206 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: the top. I believe it was and just they could 207 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: do whatever they wanted and in every aspect of the game. 208 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 6: Well there I got right key plays for every game. 209 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 6: And what struck me yesterday and writing about this when 210 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 6: the game was in the balance, Brian, there were no 211 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 6: key plays, No, it was just I wondered how you 212 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 6: were going to do eight. It was just devastating drives. 213 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 6: It's very rare to go to length of the field 214 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 6: and then run the ball into the end zone inside 215 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 6: the ten, just at will, and it's because usually the 216 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 6: other team will stop you and force throws for some creativity. 217 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 6: This was just doing this right, I mean, this was 218 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 6: just I am better than you are. And really that's 219 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 6: the analysis of the game. Everything else we're gonna be 220 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 6: talking about is sort of filling air, right, because that 221 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 6: was the difference. So stark of this is a better, 222 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 6: more physical team and therefore they did what they wanted to. 223 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: Do, and then the Jaguars compounded it with and we 224 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 4: saw in that whole. 225 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 5: Series horrible tackling. 226 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: I mean, Ronald Darby had a shot at form tackling, 227 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 4: breaking down and taking Montgomery down for probably a two 228 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 4: yard gain, and it turned out to be a nine 229 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 4: yard game because he went in there with one arm out. 230 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 4: I mean, if you haven't played football, you know you're 231 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 4: not gonna tackle an NFL running back with one arm. 232 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 5: It's not gonna happen. 233 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 6: Here's what also struck you, right, I mean interrupt. It 234 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 6: was fifty two to six, and turnovers were not a 235 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 6: factor though, Yeah, Ryons forced one turnover, and it was 236 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 6: on the Jaguars, like what I mean, it was on 237 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 6: their own like two or three. There was no field 238 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 6: position flip. It was just we got the ball at 239 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 6: the twenty five and now we're gonna go down score. 240 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: Well, if I'm the head coach and I'm meeting with 241 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 4: my defensive coordinator today, and I would be meeting with 242 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: my defensive coordinator today, I'm looking at these drives. There 243 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 4: was one drive I think it was fifty four yards 244 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 4: and every other one was seventy yards or longer, including 245 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: two that were ninety yards or longer. It was just 246 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: they did anything they want. At one point they ran 247 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 4: the hook in the ladder in the second quarter. It 248 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 4: was as if they were laughing at you. 249 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: Let's take a look at that hooking ladder, right, don't. 250 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 5: We I figured that was going to be on the list. 251 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, just misdirection plays, just doing whatever they 252 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: wanted to do. I think third or fourth touchdown. Hard 253 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: to keep track at this point, but yeah, they're doing 254 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: whatever they wanted and that was not great to see 255 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: and just and for me, it was we'd seen a 256 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: lot of effort out of everybody for the last month 257 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 3: or so, even with the dire situation that they were in. 258 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: But we had seen them be in these games and 259 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: one possession games. This was not even close to that, 260 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 3: and it was clear from the jump that it wasn't 261 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: going to be. 262 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: I think we all had a little feeling going in. 263 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: Obviously the Lions are one of, if not the best 264 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: team in the league. But just see no resistance whatsoever. 265 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: It was it was I think obviously the team felt 266 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: that too. 267 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think once I don't think you go 268 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 6: in planning to have it be that way. It struck 269 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 6: you as a game where they went down and got 270 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 6: the early field goal, Okay, well here we go, and 271 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 6: then the defense it just felt like collectively realized on 272 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 6: the first drive, Oh, they're going to do this, and 273 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 6: somewhere that three percent of you gets a little bit deflated. 274 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 6: And that's all it takes in this league. So it's 275 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 6: you know, I don't believe NFL players quit, but I 276 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 6: do believe that they can lose their will a bit. 277 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 6: And it looked like it lost its will yesterday. That's 278 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 6: just watching it. And I don't know how you interpret 279 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 6: what happened on the field yesterday. 280 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: Well I couldn't interpret it because I wasn't there. But 281 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 4: I'll take you this their offensive line, and we're going 282 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: to stop talking about this game, I think today. So 283 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 4: I'm gonna let me hit this with a hammer as 284 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: hard as I can. Their offensive line is so much 285 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 4: more physical. They play right on the edge of the whistle. 286 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: There is a nastiness that brings in the personality of 287 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: Dan Campbell, and the Jaguars had no resistance whatsoever. I 288 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: watched Devon Hamilton two weeks ago in Philadelphia play maybe 289 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 4: his best game, not just this year, but of his career. 290 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 4: He was so disrupted in the middle of the field. 291 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: I thought that's a good sign. Yesterday it was he 292 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: was literally like a blocking sled and just pushed any 293 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: which way and not by an all pro guard, right, 294 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: And I don't mean to just single him out, but 295 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: it was just so obvious that a guy who had 296 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,359 Speaker 4: played so well two weeks ago didn't have the resistance 297 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: in two weeks time. 298 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: I think it's extra frustrating for fans. I dare to 299 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: speak for them that to see the lines put this 300 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: together in the same amount of time that the Jaguars 301 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: have been trying to rebuild themselves as well. 302 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 5: Just throwing a massive log on the phone. 303 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: But it hurts extra when you see it because you're like, wow, 304 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: they've had three years to do so look what they 305 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: have built in that time, Look what they've drafted. Look 306 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: the culture of that team, and you see it and 307 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: it works so well, and you just want it for yourself. 308 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: And I think going forward, at least for us, we 309 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: need to look at who we want and who we 310 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: want to build around, you know, effort, right, So I'm 311 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: watching this team blow out the Jaguars. Ventral Miller diving 312 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 3: to save this play that we're going to see here 313 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: gives with that huge run. That's someone we talked about. 314 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: I need to look for a silver lining. I'm looking 315 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: at who I want to build with. Watching that game, 316 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: it's so easy to give up on that. But to 317 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: see someone put an effort like that. 318 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 5: He's listen, he is terrific. 319 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: I started making a list of the guys that I 320 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: wanted to carry forward, and there were ten that I 321 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: was really excited about, which maybe more than the average 322 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: listener the viewer this morning is thinking about. But there 323 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 4: are some good players on this roster who have been 324 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: lost in the wash of a season that is just 325 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 4: absolutely gone. Andre Miller runs and hits and makes plays. 326 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 4: I mean, if he doesn't dive, this is a touchdown. 327 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: If he doesn't get him off his feet, Jamior Gibbs 328 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 4: scores on that play, they ended up scoring anyway. But 329 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 4: Ventre Miller is a terrific football player, and. 330 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: For me, that's the focus. That's someone you want on 331 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: your team. That's someone he would thrive on a Dan 332 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: Campbells team. He's someone that is that same sort of energy, 333 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: and that's what you need. 334 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, this football team needs. 335 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 6: More of that. 336 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: Though, yeah, a lot more. 337 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 5: I was trying to think of the right way to 338 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 5: say it. 339 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: It's more of that. 340 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: All right, We're not gonna watch any more of this 341 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: because I don't think anybody is going to enjoy that. 342 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: But we are going to come back after this break 343 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: talk about our hot takes and what we think going forward. 344 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: Welcome back to jag Zam, brought to you by Firehouse Subs. 345 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: Check out their new hot sauce bar that's been brought back, 346 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: and of course Firehouse Subs also bringing you your hot 347 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: takes today. I don't know how hot they're going to be, 348 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: but we try. I had to be creative for you 349 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: at least give you some sort of entertainment. So, Brian, 350 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: what is your hot? 351 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 4: Was in my game up in an emotional homeward because 352 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 4: it's important to know that the last three weeks, right 353 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 4: against the Packers, Eagles, and Vikings, I wouldn't have said 354 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 4: this because it looked like the Jaguars were just not 355 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 4: as good as those teams and they lost close games. 356 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: But yesterday I felt as if the Jaguars didn't belong 357 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: on the same field with the Lions, and clearly the 358 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 4: score would indicate that they do not. Now, if Trevor plays, 359 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: you know, maybe you're better than fifty two to six, 360 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: but what is it fifty two to twenty four. If 361 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 4: this was a premier league, the Jaguars would be in 362 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: danger of relegation because yesterday it just looked like they 363 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: were playing against was it Manchester United or man City? 364 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 4: I mean, the best of the best, and they were 365 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 4: not up to the challenge whatsoever. The Jaguars are lucky 366 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: that the NFL doesn't have a second tier. 367 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, and they relegate the last three teams, and right 368 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 6: now this is the last team, so I expect that 369 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 6: could change, but right now they're they're there. I wasn't 370 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 6: very creative, but my hot take was it's as bad 371 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 6: as it gets. 372 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 5: I mean it's I said that last week. 373 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, but John is. 374 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 6: My point is, you can't get be worse than this. 375 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 6: In the NFL. They scored every time they tried to score, 376 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 6: and then you had a fifty nine yard field goal 377 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 6: which got credit to Cam literally hit it, but one 378 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 6: of your points you needed a franchise record long field goal. 379 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 6: So it's I'm not even in the mood to hammer 380 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 6: it anymore. It was a ridiculously bad performance, and I 381 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 6: mean it's I'm not sure where you go from. 382 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 4: Well, here's where we could both be wrong and it 383 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 4: could be worse. Is you don't get Trevor Lawrence back 384 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 4: and against the softer part of your schedule, right, I 385 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 4: mean the Jets and the Titans and the Raiders. These 386 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: are teams that are in the same situation as you are. 387 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 4: You don't find a way to climb out of that, 388 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 4: So it could theoretically still not be good. 389 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: That would be third number one pick in five years. 390 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: All right, Well mine is a little bit different, So 391 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: that's very hot, Tache. It's more of a shout out 392 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: to social media. I'm gonna laugh to keep from crying. 393 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: I just want to thank Jaguars Twitter, because you are 394 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 3: the funniest fan base I've ever been around. You have 395 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: a sense of self deprecating humor that I very much enjoy. 396 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: Thank you for the memes, thank you for the gifts. 397 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: Thank you for keeping this light, because it's not light 398 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: and it stinks right now and. 399 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: I'm really thankful. 400 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: So if you haven't, go find something funny to laugh 401 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: about today. 402 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: Because the game was not good. 403 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to watch more football last night, I 404 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 5: just turned it off. 405 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: I guess it was a great game in the Cincinnati 406 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 4: LA Chargers game, and I just couldn't even bear to 407 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 4: watch it. So I think I'm avoid football this week. 408 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: It's a bye week, so that would be a good 409 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: week to do that. Say, let's here, we'll talk to 410 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: you about what's coming up before the bye week kicks in. 411 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: Jags fans, if. 412 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: You want customized Jaguars furniture for your home, checkout zipsure 413 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: dot com to rouse all the customers options. Zipre is 414 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: furniture for fans, also Texan, brought to you by Magellan 415 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: Move the Freight, Move the Freight Magellan Transport voted the 416 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: coolest office space in Jacksonville. You can apply online at 417 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: Magellanlogistics dot com. 418 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 8: It is the reality of this business, you know, obviously, 419 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 8: you know it's not something anybody wishes for. You know, 420 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 8: you've got so much love for everybody in this locker 421 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 8: room and on this team. It's not something you wish for, 422 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 8: but it's the reality. You know, we're not winning, and 423 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 8: so you know, it is what it is. 424 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: I'm anoid talking about changes. 425 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: I imagine we will see some changes going forward at 426 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 3: some point with this scene, because things are not working 427 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: right now, so I don't know when that's going to be. 428 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: It's a bye week, guys, that's we have. We will 429 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: have a we'll have a break this weekend. I think 430 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 2: that's needed. 431 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, the wolves start howling at the door, and 432 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 4: you you you can't get them to leave until you win, 433 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 4: and that means you don't have another shot until the 434 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 4: Sunday after Thanksgiving. And there is a discontentment angst the 435 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: fan base. You mentioned them on social media that we'll 436 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 4: just keep ratcheting up the pressure. The owner can't be 437 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 4: happy with this anyway, so it just it just makes 438 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 4: it feel as if something's coming, But don't have any idea. 439 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 6: We're there again, That's what it is. 440 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: We are here from head coach, a little bit later 441 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: here from the locker room. We will be back on 442 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: Wednesday with you. If you want to hear some more, 443 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: have some more therapy happy hour tonight. Check that out 444 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: with Pete and Tony. I'm sure they will have a 445 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 3: lot to say. If not, we'll see you on Wednesday.