WEBVTT - Boy Scout [5]

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<v Speaker 3>I graduated in May nineteen seventy nine, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>easy to slip back into the Christian world. The kids

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<v Speaker 3>were growing like weeds and ahead of the household was needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Paula needed to be home, so all responsibility landed on me.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no time to be away from home. Being

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<v Speaker 3>busy with the family kept the dark side at bay.

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<v Speaker 3>The next year, we got a pet dog, Patches, a

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<v Speaker 3>Britney Spaniel. I built a fence in the backyard and

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<v Speaker 3>I did a lot of gardening and enjoyed life with

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<v Speaker 3>my wife and two kids. The job with ADT gave

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<v Speaker 3>me opportunities to be out of town, staying in motel rooms,

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<v Speaker 3>so I would take the bondage items with me or

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<v Speaker 3>shop for new ones at the town where I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing a job. A second time, when Paula came home.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in full bondage in the hallway in a

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<v Speaker 3>slit with a rope. I tried to hide it in

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<v Speaker 3>the bathroom, but there was just too much of it

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<v Speaker 3>out to hide. She exploded into a fury. I cleaned

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<v Speaker 3>the mess up and told her I would leave. I

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<v Speaker 3>was so embarrassed and ashamed. I slept a day or

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<v Speaker 3>two in the living room. She was thinking about what

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<v Speaker 3>to do. We didn't talk, only small talk in front

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<v Speaker 3>of the kids. She finally told me that if she

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<v Speaker 3>ever caught me again, she would file for divorce and

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<v Speaker 3>I would have to leave the house for good. I understood.

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<v Speaker 3>I vowed I would never do this at home again.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone killed four members of a family.

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<v Speaker 5>Had you vanished from her home suddenly last weekend? Her

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<v Speaker 5>phone lines had been cut, her door left open.

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<v Speaker 6>You see the victim playing there with flashing bags over

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<v Speaker 6>their heads, strangled. You could tell it was a plan scenario.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, police have said no more about the contents of

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<v Speaker 7>the letter.

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<v Speaker 5>It does contain some sort of threat and implies the

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<v Speaker 5>killer may strike again.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going to play with these victims.

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<v Speaker 8>He'd get him to the point of death and then

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<v Speaker 8>bring them back and then brings them back to the

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<v Speaker 8>point of death.

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<v Speaker 9>From My Heart podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters

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<v Speaker 9>and this is Monster BTK. In nineteen seventy nine, sixty

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<v Speaker 9>three year old Anna Williams just barely escaped to becoming

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<v Speaker 9>btk's eighth victim. He had broken into her home and

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<v Speaker 9>waited for her, leaving in a huff when she didn't

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<v Speaker 9>arrive home at her normal time. Soon after, he sent

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<v Speaker 9>a nineteen line poem titled oh Anna, why didn't you

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<v Speaker 9>appear to both Williams and to Cake TV. Police wondered

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<v Speaker 9>why BTK had targeted Williams. She was, after all, older

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<v Speaker 9>than most of his other victims. They wondered if her

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<v Speaker 9>twenty four year old granddaughter had been his intended target.

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<v Speaker 9>Williams didn't stick around to find out.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Annie, she left Wichita, she moved, and again the

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<v Speaker 6>community still on high alert.

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<v Speaker 9>If you will This is former Wichita Police Chief Richard Lemonnion.

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<v Speaker 9>He says that after the Williams attempt, the BTK trail

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<v Speaker 9>went dark. In May of nineteen seventy nine, Raider graduated

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<v Speaker 9>from Wichita State with a bachelor's degree in Administration of Justice.

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<v Speaker 9>This resulted in the loss of his cover story for

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<v Speaker 9>being out late in the evenings, another reason. He put

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<v Speaker 9>the monster to rest, but he started practicing bondage more often.

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<v Speaker 9>Eventually he was caught by his wife, which you heard

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<v Speaker 9>at the top of the episode. This incident was deeply

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<v Speaker 9>embarrassing to Raider. He assured Paula he would change, but

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<v Speaker 9>in reality, the only thing he changed was the location

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<v Speaker 9>of his self gratification. Here are his words from the

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<v Speaker 9>book Confession of a Serial Killer.

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<v Speaker 3>These incidents were perfect times to seek professional help. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't recall if Paula asked me to do

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<v Speaker 3>anything like this. Maybe she did, and I told her

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<v Speaker 3>I would work it out. But I thought if I

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<v Speaker 3>told someone about the other things I was doing in

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<v Speaker 3>order to really get help, they would be obligated to

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<v Speaker 3>tell the police.

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<v Speaker 9>Nineteen eighty four marked ten years since the Otero killings,

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<v Speaker 9>and btk's five year absence hadn't put Leamonnion's feares to

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<v Speaker 9>bed like it had for other Witchitans.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a sense of that was in our history.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't exist anymore, at least to the community. To me,

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<v Speaker 6>it was very real.

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<v Speaker 9>So with special permission from city manager Jene Denton and

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<v Speaker 9>Al kirk A County Commissioner. Lamnion planned the most sophisticated

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<v Speaker 9>investigation in city history. The technological advancements of the nineteen

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<v Speaker 9>eighties re energized the investigation gation.

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<v Speaker 6>In eighty four, we put together a special task force.

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<v Speaker 6>I handpicked a group of investigators to be a part

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<v Speaker 6>of that. I had senior detectives, I had new detectives.

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<v Speaker 6>I had patrol officers that were assigned, and that was

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<v Speaker 6>the only thing they were working on. The media found

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<v Speaker 6>out about it. We didn't tell them what was going on,

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<v Speaker 6>but they dubbed it ghostbusters. The idea was of this

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<v Speaker 6>group was number one to identify and arrest the guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Number two was to put together all the information we had,

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<v Speaker 6>computerize it as best we could, put all the files

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<v Speaker 6>in place. If he was dead, we knew that we

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<v Speaker 6>would find the trophies sometime or if he was still alive,

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<v Speaker 6>at some point he's going to come back. So we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to either catch the person or we're going to

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<v Speaker 6>put it together in such a way that when the

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<v Speaker 6>next thing happens, whoever the investigator is can just pick

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<v Speaker 6>it up and move forward. That was our plan.

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<v Speaker 9>Promising young detectives like Kenny land Where were brought in

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<v Speaker 9>to give this case.

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<v Speaker 6>There all we weren't done, We hadn't put everything together,

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<v Speaker 6>and I thought to myself, this is the type of

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<v Speaker 6>thing we need to do, get behind closed doors. We've

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<v Speaker 6>got computers, now, we've got DNA, we've got semen, we've

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<v Speaker 6>got everything else. And as a result of that, it

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<v Speaker 6>took several months, but it proved at least in our

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<v Speaker 6>mind that we knew the person we're looking for is local.

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<v Speaker 6>The reason we can't find him is he's one of us.

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<v Speaker 6>He goes to the same grocery store that we go to,

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<v Speaker 6>he goes to the same movies. He probably has a family,

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<v Speaker 6>he works here, and the reason we can't find him

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<v Speaker 6>is one of the people that lives in this door.

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<v Speaker 9>The BTK task Force was made up of eight men,

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<v Speaker 9>Captain Gary Fulton, Lieutenant Al Stewart, and Officers Paul Dotson,

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<v Speaker 9>ed Nass, Mark Richardson, Jerry Harper, and Paul Holmes, along

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<v Speaker 9>with land Where. Throughout nineteen eighty four, the Ghostbusters would

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<v Speaker 9>search high and low for clues about the identity of BTK.

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<v Speaker 9>For the first month of their work with the task force.

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<v Speaker 9>They did nothing but read reports. They spent hundreds of

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<v Speaker 9>man hours re examining an index of previously eliminated suspects

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<v Speaker 9>put together by older detectives. They also spent weeks debating

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<v Speaker 9>whether or not to add the Catherine Bright files to

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<v Speaker 9>the BTK evidence. Yes, they eventually decided. In October of

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<v Speaker 9>nineteen eighty four, they brought in FBI criminal profilers.

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<v Speaker 8>We call the Wichita police. Come on in here, guys,

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<v Speaker 8>and bring a tape recorders. We won't be able to

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<v Speaker 8>have time at the written profile, but we'll work with

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<v Speaker 8>you for day or two whatever takes to help you

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<v Speaker 8>people out.

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<v Speaker 9>This is John Douglas, former FBI special agent.

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<v Speaker 8>And then we did this kind of a mind bust,

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<v Speaker 8>me and three other profiles with the cops there going

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<v Speaker 8>around and evaluating, the analyzing the case things that they

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<v Speaker 8>should be doing. And I came up with the idea,

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<v Speaker 8>when you have an offender who starts to communicate, rather

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<v Speaker 8>communicate with a department, I want him to communicate with

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<v Speaker 8>a person affiliated with the investigation, and I want that

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<v Speaker 8>guy to be the focal point I called a super coop.

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<v Speaker 9>In time, Kenny Landware would become that focal point. The

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<v Speaker 9>initial FBI profile, delivered in part by criminal profile or

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<v Speaker 9>Roy Hazelwood, provided cops with their first detailed impressions of BTK.

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<v Speaker 9>Here is an excerpt from the book bind Tour Kill.

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<v Speaker 10>Hazelwood thought BTK practiced bondage in everyday life, that he

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<v Speaker 10>was a sexual sadist, a control freak, and could interact

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<v Speaker 10>with others only on a superficial level. You know him,

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<v Speaker 10>but you don't really know him. The profiler felt that

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<v Speaker 10>although BTK would do well at work, he wouldn't like

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<v Speaker 10>anyone telling him what to do. Hazelwood also thought BTK

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<v Speaker 10>collected bondage materials and read crime books and detective magazines.

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<v Speaker 9>From then on, every time BTK Task Force member Paul

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<v Speaker 9>Holmes entered someone's home, he looked around for detective magazines.

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<v Speaker 9>When Raider's daughter Carrie made it to kindergarten, he decided

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<v Speaker 9>he was ready to kill again, but he was older.

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<v Speaker 9>Now he had more responsibilities and less time to prowl.

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<v Speaker 9>This time, he would pick a target closer to home again.

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<v Speaker 9>A snippet from Confession of a serial Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Raider had noticed a neighbor, Marine Hedge, a fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>year old woman who lived just down the street and

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<v Speaker 2>often gave a friendly wave. She lived alone and was

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<v Speaker 2>just the right size.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought about what her neck would look like with

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<v Speaker 3>a rope around it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was time, Raider thought to re energize his secret identity.

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<v Speaker 3>It had been a long time since the last time

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<v Speaker 3>Factor X exploded in my world and shattered someone else's.

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<v Speaker 9>Targeting someone so close to home went against his code

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<v Speaker 9>for how to be a successful serial killer, but the

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<v Speaker 9>challenge excited him.

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<v Speaker 3>Breaking my own rules sort of gave me a rush.

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<v Speaker 3>I lived on the knife edge for a long time

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<v Speaker 3>with this, Following newspaper, TV or neighbor talk. By reading

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<v Speaker 3>other cases, I knew this was a high gamble. To me,

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<v Speaker 3>hedge took a lot of thinking and planning. This was

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<v Speaker 3>the first time I had decided to use the Boy

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<v Speaker 3>Scouts as my cover.

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<v Speaker 9>The target day arrived April twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 9>Raider went to the Boy Scout camp, where he typically

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<v Speaker 9>helped set up He had become a leader when his

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<v Speaker 9>son Brian joined. He parked his car on the hill

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<v Speaker 9>by the roadside so that he could leave and come

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<v Speaker 9>back unnoticed.

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<v Speaker 7>In the end of April nineteen eighty five, I'm almost seven.

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<v Speaker 11>My dad was.

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<v Speaker 7>On a cub Scout camp out with my brother Brian

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<v Speaker 7>at Camp Tewakany. My dad feigns that he's like ill

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<v Speaker 7>or has a headache. He says he's going to his ted,

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<v Speaker 7>knowing my daddy probably even stuffed something in his sleeping bag.

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<v Speaker 9>This is Dennis Raider's daughter Carrie.

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<v Speaker 7>Raw and he then using the cub Scout camp out

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<v Speaker 7>for an alibi, he goes to a bowling alley, goes

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<v Speaker 7>and slashes some beer in his mouth and make it

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<v Speaker 7>seem like he was drinking. He leaves our family chavette

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<v Speaker 7>at the bowling alley and he takes a taxi out

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<v Speaker 7>to my neighbor. He gets out of the taxi and

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<v Speaker 7>he has a bowling bag with him that's maroon and white.

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<v Speaker 5>That's like his hit kit.

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<v Speaker 7>And he walks past my grandparents house and he goes

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<v Speaker 7>through Missus Hedges' backyard. Missus hedges house is built exactly

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<v Speaker 7>like my house and exactly like my grandparents' house, three

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<v Speaker 7>bedroom ranch.

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<v Speaker 9>This meant he'd have no trouble figuring out the best

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<v Speaker 9>way to get into the home. He cut her phone line,

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<v Speaker 9>broke into the home, and then yet another one of

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<v Speaker 9>his plans hit a snag.

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<v Speaker 7>He broke into her house, expecting her to be home

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<v Speaker 7>because her car was there, but she had gone with

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<v Speaker 7>this man. She's not, so he's disappointed and mad, so

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<v Speaker 7>he hides in her closet. Then they come home, and

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<v Speaker 7>now she's come home with a man. While he doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>want to have to deal with two people. It's messy,

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<v Speaker 7>and he's not there for the man. He's there for her.

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<v Speaker 7>So he's getting frustrated and he's hanging on in the

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<v Speaker 7>closet and he's like waiting forever for the man to leave.

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<v Speaker 7>He probably could have murdered both of them, he just

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<v Speaker 7>didn't want to because he's older at this point too.

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<v Speaker 11>It's eighty five, so he's wet.

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<v Speaker 7>He's forty at that point, and he hadn't murdered anybody

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<v Speaker 7>in my eight years. So he waits for her to

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<v Speaker 7>fall asleep, and he jumps into bed and starts strangling her.

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<v Speaker 9>He manually suffocated Marine until she died. In his words,

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<v Speaker 9>he throttled her. What happened next is a departure from

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<v Speaker 9>btk's usual mo In a disturbing turn of events, Rayder

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<v Speaker 9>decided taking photos of Marine's body in her house wasn't enough.

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<v Speaker 9>He wanted to do something special.

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<v Speaker 3>Since I was in the sexual fantasy, I went ahead

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<v Speaker 3>and stripped her and tied her up. I put handcuffs on.

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<v Speaker 3>I put her on a blanket, and I went through

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<v Speaker 3>her purse. I needed the car key and took some

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<v Speaker 3>personal items in the house while I figured out how

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to get her out of there. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 3>I moved her to the trunk of the car. I

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<v Speaker 3>took the car over to christ Lutheran Church, where I

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<v Speaker 3>had stashed some items. I tied her up in different

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<v Speaker 3>positions and took pictures. I did not use the altar.

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<v Speaker 3>I was bad and disturbed, but I still had respect

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<v Speaker 3>for some items of God's house. Finally I had a

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<v Speaker 3>real bondage picture with a victim.

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<v Speaker 9>Daylight was coming fast. He had to hide Marine's body

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<v Speaker 9>and make it back to the boy scout camp before

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<v Speaker 9>anyone noticed he was gone. He left her body in

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<v Speaker 9>a ditch on fifty third Street. Police wouldn't find her

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<v Speaker 9>until over a week later.

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<v Speaker 5>The body was discovered here at fifty third Street North,

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<v Speaker 5>just east of Webb Road, a bit west of the

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<v Speaker 5>area that police had been searching all weekend for some

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<v Speaker 5>clue to the disappearance of fifty three year old Marine Hedge.

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<v Speaker 5>Hedge vanished from her home suddenly last weekend. Her phone

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<v Speaker 5>lines had been cut, her door left open, and police

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<v Speaker 5>have been picking up the pieces ever since. But Park

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<v Speaker 5>City Police Chief Ace van Way may have put the

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<v Speaker 5>final piece of the puzzle together when he and a

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<v Speaker 5>partner noticed what appeared to be a blouse hanging from

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<v Speaker 5>a tree limb and searched this area.

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<v Speaker 9>Marine Hedge's murder was not connected to BTK at the time.

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<v Speaker 9>It had taken place outside of Wichita, and despite the

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<v Speaker 9>cut phone lines, didn't fit the usual BTKM.

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<v Speaker 6>Keep in mind, this is a county case, different investigators,

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<v Speaker 6>different crime unit. However, we work very closely with him,

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<v Speaker 6>and even after discussion the fact that her body was

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<v Speaker 6>thrown out, if you will, at an intersection fifty third

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<v Speaker 6>and Web, we just did not see a connection with

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<v Speaker 6>it whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 5>The body was nude and police say badly decomposed. A

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<v Speaker 5>pair of knotted pantyhose were found lying in the ditch

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<v Speaker 5>beside it, and the evergreen branches covering the body may

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<v Speaker 5>match pine needles found in the trunk of Marine Hatches

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<v Speaker 5>car but police say that's about all the evidence they

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<v Speaker 5>have to go on.

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<v Speaker 9>Raider's big risk had panned out. No one suspected BTK

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<v Speaker 9>all eyes were on Marine's date as the prime suspect.

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<v Speaker 9>Psychologist Catherine Ramsland says Raider had to play it safe

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<v Speaker 9>after this.

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<v Speaker 12>He enjoyed that kind of cat and mouse game to

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<v Speaker 12>a point. When he killed a woman in his own neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 12>he'd not make any communication at all because, first of all,

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<v Speaker 12>that violated his own rules don't kill close to home,

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<v Speaker 12>and second, he didn't want to bring the police, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>give them any sense that this is related to the

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<v Speaker 12>other murders, So that stopped his communications.

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<v Speaker 9>Breaking his no killing close to home rule also had

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<v Speaker 9>ripple effects that impacted his family's sense of safety.

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<v Speaker 7>Somehow. I know that missus Hedge she's been strangled. A

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<v Speaker 7>week or so later, I am running around at Christ

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<v Speaker 7>Lutheran after a church and I fall and I break

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<v Speaker 7>my arm. So I have a bone sticking out of

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<v Speaker 7>my arm. I'm bleeding and I'm screaming. Now I've had

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<v Speaker 7>this like pretty major injury for a kid. My dad

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<v Speaker 7>gets a cookie tray from the church kitchen and a

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<v Speaker 7>towel to secure my arm, and he puts me in

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<v Speaker 7>the back of our station wagon instead of calling an ambulance.

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<v Speaker 7>My mom's back there with me. He drives me a

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<v Speaker 7>few miles south of late I have to have surgery,

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<v Speaker 7>three pins put in my arm, and I'm in the.

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<v Speaker 11>Hospital for five days.

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<v Speaker 7>So my six year old self cemitted missus Hedge's murder

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<v Speaker 7>with my broken arm, and it was just like big

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<v Speaker 7>trauma ball and so literally I started having night terrors,

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<v Speaker 7>and the best we know, my night terrors started around

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<v Speaker 7>the time missus Hedge was murdered.

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<v Speaker 9>Talking with Payne Lindsey in the Tenderfoot Studio, Carrie says

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<v Speaker 9>she thought her fear emboldened her father.

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<v Speaker 13>As a six year old.

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<v Speaker 7>Did you know that this was related to Henny's death? No,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, there's no way I realized I had combined

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<v Speaker 7>like the trauma over my arm and the hospital and

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<v Speaker 7>Missus Hedge. He's quoted as saying, like, at that time,

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<v Speaker 7>when I started getting scared like that, that it worried

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<v Speaker 7>him that I was messed up basically from the murder

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<v Speaker 7>he had committed down the street. But it also empowered him.

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<v Speaker 7>It may feel empowered like he was terrifying me.

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<v Speaker 2>So your dad was aware that you, like, even if

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't, your dad was aware that you were being

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<v Speaker 2>affected by hedges death.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. He's quoted in twenty sixteen as saying he was

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<v Speaker 7>sure it was from there. I mean, I've talked to criminologists,

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<v Speaker 7>I've talked to detectives, talked to trauma therapists. Nobody knows

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<v Speaker 7>how to fix this night terra stuff, and nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 7>Why is it the bad guy in the room trying

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<v Speaker 7>and kill me? Do you feel like the bad guy

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<v Speaker 7>is your dad?

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<v Speaker 13>Oh?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>In June of nineteen eighty five, nearly seventeen hundred miles

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<v Speaker 9>away from Wichita in San Francisco, California, a man named

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<v Speaker 9>Leonard Lake was connected to more than two dozen deaths

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<v Speaker 9>and disappearances.

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<v Speaker 14>This tape, what you're hearing now is going to be

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<v Speaker 14>the lead end building, which hopefully will be the first

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<v Speaker 14>of a series of underground buildings. The main emphasis of

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<v Speaker 14>the building will be a cell. The purpose of that

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<v Speaker 14>cell and the main purpose hens of the building will

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<v Speaker 14>be the imprisonment.

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<v Speaker 6>For the young lady, a remote cabin where cops say

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<v Speaker 6>some of the most gruesome serial killings in California, history

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<v Speaker 6>took place twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>It was in big Dums.

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<v Speaker 15>Three women, seven men, two babies.

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<v Speaker 9>Raider was fascinated. He saw a lot of parallels between

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<v Speaker 9>himself and Lake. Here are his words from Confession of

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<v Speaker 9>a serial Killer.

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<v Speaker 3>I had clippings about him and his partner in my

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<v Speaker 3>Heidi Hole folders, but killing babies was off my list.

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<v Speaker 3>After the oteros and by random chance with Vianne, I

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<v Speaker 3>decided that no young children would be involved in my hits.

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<v Speaker 9>It wouldn't be long before Rader betrayed this newly formed rule.

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<v Speaker 14>I can't imagine any woman.

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<v Speaker 6>Harming her, not knowing her.

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<v Speaker 5>She was a good person to know.

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<v Speaker 11>And a good friend to have had.

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<v Speaker 9>Vicky Wiggery was a young mother who lived at twenty

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<v Speaker 9>four oh four West thirteenth Street with her husband Bill

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<v Speaker 9>and children Brandon and Stephanie. Dennis Rader spotted her in

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<v Speaker 9>the fall of nineteen eighty six. As he spied on

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<v Speaker 9>her home, he would listen as she played the piano.

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<v Speaker 9>He thought she played beautifully and named her Project Piano. Ironically,

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<v Speaker 9>her neighbor was the head of the BTK Task Force,

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<v Speaker 9>Kenny landwere Vicky stayed at home with two year old

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<v Speaker 9>Brandon during the day, while Bill was off at work,

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<v Speaker 9>Rader decided this would be the best time to strike.

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<v Speaker 9>He planned to pass himself off as a Southwestern Bell

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<v Speaker 9>repairman to gain access to her home. Here is another

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<v Speaker 9>excerpt from the book The Inside Story of BTK.

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<v Speaker 10>Raider had modified a business card to look like a

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<v Speaker 10>phone company identification card. He had a yellow hard hat

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<v Speaker 10>provided by ADT. He had cut out a segment of

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<v Speaker 10>the cover of a Southwestern Bell repair manual and pasted

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<v Speaker 10>it on the hard hat, hoping to pass himself off

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<v Speaker 10>as a telephone repairman. The briefcase he would carry looked official,

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<v Speaker 10>but would contain his hit kit supplies.

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<v Speaker 9>It was the morning of September sixteenth, nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 9>Rader parked the security company van in the Indian Hills

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<v Speaker 9>Shopping Center parking lot, donned his costume and crossed the

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<v Speaker 9>street towards Vicki's house, but first to strengthen his cover,

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<v Speaker 9>he went the home of her elderly neighbors, who led

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<v Speaker 9>him in to check their phone lines.

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<v Speaker 10>When he left the older couple's house, he walked to

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<v Speaker 10>the blond woman's door. He heard the piano. When he

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<v Speaker 10>knocked the music stopped.

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<v Speaker 9>Vicky opened the door, and Rader led with the same

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<v Speaker 9>line he had used on the neighbors. She was weary

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<v Speaker 9>and asked whether it was really necessary for him to

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<v Speaker 9>come in. Wasn't the phone line in the backyard, Vicky asked.

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<v Speaker 9>Eventually she relented after pretending to test her telephone. He

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<v Speaker 9>dropped the act and told Vicki to go to the bedroom.

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<v Speaker 9>She cried out, what about my kid, she asked. My

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<v Speaker 9>husband is going to be home soon, she said. Rader

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<v Speaker 9>hoped not.

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<v Speaker 10>He made her lie down on the waterbed. As she

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<v Speaker 10>cried and tried to argue, He tied her wrists and

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<v Speaker 10>ankles with leather shoelaces. Vicki began to pray out loud.

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<v Speaker 10>Suddenly she ched her hands, broke her bonds, and began

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<v Speaker 10>to fight. And then everything became noise and fear. Btk

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<v Speaker 10>hit Picky in the face again and again, then grabbed

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<v Speaker 10>at her throat, she thought, nicking him on the neck

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<v Speaker 10>with a fingernail. He tried to use his strangling rig

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<v Speaker 10>but couldn't get a grip. He saw a pair of

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<v Speaker 10>panty hose nearby that worked. Once he looped it around

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<v Speaker 10>her neck.

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<v Speaker 6>He killed her and left the baby did not kill

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<v Speaker 6>the baby. The baby was just a toddler, a little

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<v Speaker 6>little bitty thing. The husband found her when he got home.

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<v Speaker 6>The crime scene was pretty much destroyed, if you will,

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<v Speaker 6>by the husband and by others trying to revive her

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<v Speaker 6>and things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 9>When Bill Wiggerly arrived home on his lunch break, it

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<v Speaker 9>would take him forty five minutes before he discovered his

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<v Speaker 9>wife's body in their bedroom, and.

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<v Speaker 13>By the time police got to Vicky Weggerly's house on

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<v Speaker 13>West Thirteenth, her heart had already stopped beating. She died

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<v Speaker 13>within fifteen minutes at Riverside Hospital. Her husband Bill supposedly

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<v Speaker 13>found Vicky with a noose around her neck. Their two

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<v Speaker 13>year old son, Brandon, was playing in another bedroom at

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<v Speaker 13>the time of the murder. And now, after hours of

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<v Speaker 13>interviewing family members and searching for evidence, police have a

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<v Speaker 13>few leads on who killed Vicky Weggerly.

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<v Speaker 9>Per standard police procedure, Bill Weggery became the prime suspect

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<v Speaker 9>in his wife's murder. Unfortunately, as Richard Lemunien says, his

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<v Speaker 9>initial panic upon discovering his wife's body only made the

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<v Speaker 9>situation worse.

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<v Speaker 6>The crime chain was really meshed up. I mean, here's

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<v Speaker 6>a husband. He comes to old Panny, here's his wife.

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<v Speaker 6>He's trying to do everything he can to shave her.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't visualize walking into a situation like that. And

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<v Speaker 6>when ems gets there, everyone else gets there. You got

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<v Speaker 6>a baby screaming. I mean, you're trying to do everything

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<v Speaker 6>you can. You're trying to get her to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 9>Detectives were trying to move fast. The first few hours

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<v Speaker 9>in a homicide investigation are crucial. They grilled Bill. Was

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<v Speaker 9>he having an affair?

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<v Speaker 16>Was she?

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<v Speaker 9>What took him so long to find his wife's body.

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<v Speaker 9>They suggested a lie detector test, and he agreed. They

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<v Speaker 9>tested him twice. He failed both times. Years later, Wichita

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<v Speaker 9>police would come to the conclusion that lie detector tests

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<v Speaker 9>should never be given to a spouse. In the immediate

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<v Speaker 9>aftermath of the murder, It's likely Bill's distress led to

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<v Speaker 9>the two false positives. Raiders sent no communication about the

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<v Speaker 9>murder of Vicki Weggerly, and so yet another BTK murder

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<v Speaker 9>went unattributed to the serial killer. Richard Lemonnion said a

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<v Speaker 9>police had discussed the possibility.

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<v Speaker 6>At first, it was questionable whether or not that was

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<v Speaker 6>a BTK case, A couple of investigators didn't think so,

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<v Speaker 6>A couple of other investigators did think so, and I

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<v Speaker 6>agreed with them. But we can't prove it one.

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<v Speaker 4>Way or the other.

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<v Speaker 6>There just won't any evidence like the other ones had

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<v Speaker 6>been in the past. And to keep in mind, it

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<v Speaker 6>had been a while now since we had had a

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<v Speaker 6>BTK quote murder credit. It's kind of unusual because my

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<v Speaker 6>brother lived like four doors down from that particular house

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<v Speaker 6>on thirteenth Street. What are the irony of that?

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 9>By the year following the Weggerly murder, all the Ghostbusters

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 9>but Kenny Landweer had been reassigned. Then just before the

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 9>end of nineteen eighty seven, Landwear was assigned to the

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 9>homicide unit. While the BTK Task Force never truly disbanded,

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 9>the which atop police force and the greater Wichita community

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 9>moved on. BTK outlasted entire cop careers. Richard Lemunien retired

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 9>in nineteen eighty eight.

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 6>I still remember some of the tragedies, you know that

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 6>I went to some of the homicide, the rape cases

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 6>and the bused children are pulling people out of rerection,

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 6>saying you remember those kind of things, And of course

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 6>you don't forget a BGK case at all.

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<v Speaker 9>Throughout the rest of the nineteen eighties, Raider picked out

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 9>various projects, none of which panned out. He estimated to

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 9>Catherine Ramsland that more than thirty could have resulted in

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 9>murder victims. At the end of nineteen eighty seven, a

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.719
<v Speaker 9>Wichita woman named Mary Fager came home to find her

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 9>husband and two daughters had been murdered. Here's an excerpt

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 9>from a January nineteen eighty eight news article.

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<v Speaker 15>Bodies of Sherry and Kelly Faker were found in a

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 15>newly installed hot tub in the Solarium. Kelly, who was nude,

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 15>was drowned. Police were investigating the possibility she was sexually assaulted.

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 15>Lemnion said Sherry was found with her hands bound behind

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 15>her back with black electrical tape. She had been strangled

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 15>with an electrical cord and also drowned. Philip Fager was

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 15>shot twice in the back of the head.

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<v Speaker 9>A few days after the murders, an envelope arrived at

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 9>the Faker's house. In it was a drawing of a

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 9>young girl bound and lying next to a tub. The

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 9>envelope also contained a poem entitled Oh God, he put

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 9>Kelly Sherry in the tub. Investigators guessed the letter had

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 9>come from BTK. They were right. Part of the letter reads.

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Another one prowls of the deep abyss of lewd thoughts

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 3>and deeds.

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 9>Raider didn't kill the Fager family. He was just a

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 9>fan of whoever had. In confession of a serial killer,

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 9>Raider said he mailed Missus Fager the letter as a

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 9>safe way to let a little bit of the monster out.

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Compare it to a volcano. The molten lava couldn't find

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 3>the time, the hidden hours and time away from home

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 3>was simply not there, so it had to find a

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 3>different way to erupt.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 9>In the summer of nineteen eighty eight, Raider lost his

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 9>job with ADT. The pressure continued to build. Carrie says

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 9>he found other ways to let the pressure out. When

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 9>he had opportunities to go out of town, he would

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 9>relive his various hints.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 7>For him, it really wasn't about who he was murdering,

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 7>or even the murder or the fan fantasy of wanting it.

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 7>He said, it was always like this letown like now

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 7>they're dead. Now wept, but he could always replay it.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 7>So he's known to like dress up and do this

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.719
<v Speaker 7>bondage to re enact what he was doing to these people,

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 7>and most of the time that was enough for him.

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 7>When he was in the censes in the late eighties,

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 7>he would take his bondage stuff and he have polaroids

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 7>of himself dressed up in like full wing and clothes,

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 7>trying to recreate this visual image of his victims. He

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 7>called it motel parties.

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 9>After getting a job as a census field supervisor in

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 9>nineteen eighty nine, he had another reason to travel, allowing

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 9>Raider to gratify himself away from the prying eyes of Paula.

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 3>My first major motel party was in Elk City, Oklahoma.

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 3>I worked it there on off days in between trainings.

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Before I was able to travel, I was limited on extravagance.

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Usually it was in barns or such places, and I

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 3>had little time. As the trips increased and became more lavish,

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 3>the motel parties became a sex struck. I looked forward

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 3>to them a reward after a long day, a hot

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 3>date with a sex fantasy victim. For bondage. I used

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 3>all kinds of gadgets on me. I had my favorite

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 3>feminine clothes, the red braw from PJ. Bell the chemise

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 3>from PJ. Foxtail jewelry from Deflower, satin hose from PJ.

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Prairie colored pantyhose from so many slips, panties, wigs, masks

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 3>of different types, much like the Buffalo bill from the

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Silence of the Lambs, A good book and movie for

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 3>a motel party.

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 9>While Raider was hiding out in motel rooms, serial killers

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 9>were gaining cultural prominence.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 17>Year old drifter with no record of violence, yet he's

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 17>accused of being one of California's most brutal killers. Richard

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 17>Ramirez was captured today. Police say he is the walk

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 17>in killer.

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 13>Police removed boxes and boxes of body parts evidence of

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 13>what appears to be a psychopathic mass murder.

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 17>Horrible truth to suburban contractor John Gacy's rambling statements to

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 17>police last week is becoming more and more evident with

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 17>each passing day.

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 18>Street The strangler case makes one fact vividly clear. People

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 18>can never totally protect themselves from unknown killers who choose

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 18>their victims at random, leaving behind virtually no clues and

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 18>even less understanding of their motives.

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 9>Reader hated that so many other serial killers were getting

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 9>famous while BTK was not. He wondered if it was

0:34:49.080 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 9>time to strike again. At forty six years old, Dennis

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 9>Raider's urge to kill was as strong as ever. His

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 9>motel parties and bondage toys were no longer cutting it.

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 9>By nineteen ninety, over four years had passed since his

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 9>last successful hit. No one had connected BTK to a

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:28.240
<v Speaker 9>murder since nineteen seventy seven. In the fall of nineteen ninety,

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 9>he spotted Delores Davis.

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<v Speaker 16>Mom was a real giving person. She always was worried

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 16>about the underdog, as she always was concerned about the

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 16>other person. I honestly always put other people's needs ahead

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 16>of her own. My name is Jeff Davis and I'm

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 16>the son of Doloris Davis. Mom was a very sacrificing person.

0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 16>She was a pretty optimistic person for the most part,

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 16>even during the hard times. She tried to be optimistic.

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 16>She's lived by Christian values and she tried to make

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 16>herself an example in that respect. And she was always

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 16>there for me and my system, even when I probably

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 16>didn't deserve it. And Steve was just the kind of

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 16>person that if you met her, you say, Jesus, really

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 16>nice ladies. If anybody didn't like my mom. I don't

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 16>know who it would have been. I mean, any stun

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 16>is going to be biased Forge's mother. Before she died,

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 16>we had a very very close relationship, and I'm so

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 16>glad that we were able to do that because as

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 16>the guys under circumstances where there was bad blood or something,

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 16>it would have been even more horrible than I already was.

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 9>In nineteen ninety one, Dolores Davis was a single woman

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 9>living alone in Wichitama. Dolores and her husband split in

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.439
<v Speaker 9>nineteen sixty one. Jeff went to live with his dad,

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 9>while his sister stayed in Wichital with their mom. Delores's

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 9>daughter graduated high school in the mid nineteen seventies, and

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 9>Dolores was then on her own.

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 16>She drew up on a farm, so failways had a

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:20.359
<v Speaker 16>farm mentality, and farmers don't lock their doors. I would

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 16>face seems probably a little more cautious because it was

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 16>with her, and she didn't have a dog, she'd have

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 16>any kind of alarm system.

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 9>Like every other person in Wichital, Delores and her children

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 9>had heard about the BTK murders. Jeff at least feared

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 9>what could happen, but Dolores's habits didn't change much.

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 16>Mom was always very independent and she pretty much face

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 16>could handle herself. Now I wanted her to get a dog,

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 16>and she was gonna get a dog, and she did

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 16>get one, and then the landlord made her give it up.

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 16>That I have a real problem with. Sure, he's been

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 16>pretty self sufficient too. I don't think they hit home

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 16>with them. I think it was an abtract concept that

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 16>most people in town realized something bad is going on

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 16>out there. I don't think anybody personalized. There was no

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 16>real reasons. They just thought of it as you know,

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.439
<v Speaker 16>you have a three fatality car wreck. But I think

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 16>in my family we didn't stal need to make a

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 16>lot of things.

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 9>Reader had seen Davis not far from where he lived

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 9>in Park City. Carrie Rawson says he became obsessed with her.

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 7>Now he had been stalking her. He was moonlighting at

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 7>Leeker's Grocery. Now, my grandma had worked there and my

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 7>dad had worked there in high school. My mom was

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.240
<v Speaker 7>a bookkeeper there at some point. It's where we always

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 7>grocery shopped. Everybody knew our family. They were trying to

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 7>help my dad out with money, and they were having

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 7>him do security and install some cameras and stuff, you know,

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 7>just help him out. Well, that's where he got fixated

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 7>on Dolores.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 11>She was a widow.

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.720
<v Speaker 7>He's depressed, and so he decides to murder her.

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 9>He set a target date for January of nineteen ninety one.

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 7>He's forty six years old now, and he's depressed and

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 7>he's miserable because he doesn't have a job and we

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 7>don't have much money. And I'm in seventh grade. And

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 7>in December of ninety my mom falls ill. She had

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 7>asthma and she gets pneumonia, and so she's at Saint

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 7>Francis for like ten or twelve days. So he's like

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 7>sir stressed out, and I'm trying to manage my dad,

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 7>keep him calm and under control, and don't worry. Dad

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 7>and Mom will be okay and there'll be money. And

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 7>I'm scared and I'm worried about my dad. And then

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 7>mid January, I believe in ninety one, my brother's in

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 7>Boy Scouts now, and he goes up north to Newton

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 7>area with my brother on Trapper Rendezvous camp out. So

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 7>for the second time in six shares, he's using a

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 7>Boy Scout camp out as an alibi for.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 9>Murder again Raider's words from Confession of a Serial Killer.

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 3>I arrived early and got camp all set up. When

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 3>the others arrived, I fabricated a story that I had

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 3>to go back to town for something. I went to

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 3>my parents' house and dressed in my hit clothes in

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 3>the basement. I checked my hit list and drove to

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 3>the Baptist Church on East sixty first Street in Park City.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 3>The Scout Troop had a place there where they store equipment,

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 3>so I had a cover story in case someone happened by.

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 3>I also had some Heidi holes there on Pancake Scout Day.

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 3>I had stayed there over night from morning set up

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:47.760
<v Speaker 3>and did bondage in the basement Sunday school rooms. From there,

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 3>I walked directly to her place.

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.799
<v Speaker 9>Raider picked up a cinder block and threw it through

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:58.760
<v Speaker 9>the window of her home. Delores ran out of her bedroom,

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 9>asking if he had her home with his car. He

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 9>tried to use his usual rousse to disarm her. When

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 9>Delores told him to leave, he informed her he was

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.800
<v Speaker 9>carrying a club, a gun, and a knife.

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.760
<v Speaker 3>She said she was expecting someone. I could not believe

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 3>my luck in these places. I've always got someone coming.

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 9>Raider then strangled Dolores with a pair of pantyhose.

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 3>And that was it with her. I didn't take any

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 3>pictures because I thought, well, this guy is coming. I

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 3>don't want to be in this house. I need to

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 3>get out of here. I put her in the trunk.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 3>That was not a smart move. The police could have

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 3>connected her to Hedge. I opened the garage door, backed out,

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 3>closed it and drove straight down hillside to fifty third

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Street North, then west to Hydraulic, then south to the

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 3>k Dot Lakes.

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 9>He left her body there in the bushes. He drove

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 9>her car to Christ Lutheran Church and disposed of some

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 9>items under the church's shed, before realizing he had misplaced

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 9>his gun. He drove back to Dolores's house, retrieved his

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 9>gun and a few souvenirs, including her jewelry box and

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 9>a thirty five millimeter camera. He couldn't stop thinking about

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 9>her body. Catherine Ramslin says he wanted to give his

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 9>biggest fantasy another try.

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 12>With Deloris Davis. He wanted to do something different. He

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 12>wanted to take her body and take it to a barn,

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 12>which had been his fantasy for a very long time

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 12>and he'd never managed.

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:44.240
<v Speaker 11>To do it.

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 12>It was a foggy, snowy night, so he got lost

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 12>and he had to finally just dump the body out

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 12>under a bridge.

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.240
<v Speaker 9>He left her body under the bridge at one hundred

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 9>and seventeenth Street North, then rushed to get back to

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 9>the Boy's Out camp, but Carrie says he still couldn't

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<v Speaker 9>let Dolores rest.

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<v Speaker 7>Then he goes back to the camp out and he

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<v Speaker 7>keeps thinking about her and her body, and he can't

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<v Speaker 7>let it go, and he thinks that it was not

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<v Speaker 7>the best place. It's just not set staged right the

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<v Speaker 7>way he wants it, and he stages her with a

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<v Speaker 7>mask like probably one of the ones he was burying

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<v Speaker 7>in some of his bondage fantasies, because he doesn't like

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<v Speaker 7>that she's decaying right, like you'll hear these other guys

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<v Speaker 7>talk about this, like they don't like the way they

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<v Speaker 7>look after they're murdered or they're not alive. So he

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<v Speaker 7>puts a mask on her and then he finally has

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<v Speaker 7>to let her go. So now he's driving back and

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<v Speaker 7>he stops at a rest up because he's got to

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<v Speaker 7>change his clothes back into his boy scout outfit and

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<v Speaker 7>he gets caught by like a highway patrolman. He was

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<v Speaker 7>there changing his clothes and the highway patrolman was questioning

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<v Speaker 7>him and asking him what he was.

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<v Speaker 9>Doing next time on Monster BTK.

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<v Speaker 4>But my daughter came to me and said, Dad, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Dennis showed up in our backyard of customers.

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<v Speaker 12>He gave me a list of fifty five different projects

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<v Speaker 12>of women he had seen and stopped.

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<v Speaker 7>You can't help himself. It's like an iceberg, right, like

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<v Speaker 7>you're only seeing the very tip of somebody with him,

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<v Speaker 7>He thought.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm the smartest guy in the room and

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<v Speaker 4>they're never going to catch me.

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<v Speaker 7>My dad snaps and he just lunges out of his

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<v Speaker 7>chair at my brother. He starts strangling him from the front.

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<v Speaker 14>Cops say, the case that was once cold may be

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<v Speaker 14>warm yet again.

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<v Speaker 4>I just got this feelily, I want to know this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Monster BTK is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>The show is written by Nomes Griffin, Trevor Young, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Funk. Our host is Susan Peters. Executive producers on

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<v Speaker 2>and Caroline Origemma at Tenderfoot TV. Auditional research by Claudia Dafrico,

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<v Speaker 2>original artwork by Kevin Mister Soul Harp, original music by

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