1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: New episodes of Monster BTK are released every Monday and 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: brought to you absolutely free. But if you want to 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: hear the whole season right now, it's available ad free 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: on iHeart True Crime Plus. For more information, check out 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: the show notes. Enjoy the episode. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: You're listening to Monster BTK, a production of iHeart Podcasts 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: and Tenderfoot TV. Listener discretion is advised. 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: I graduated in May nineteen seventy nine, and it was 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 3: easy to slip back into the Christian world. The kids 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: were growing like weeds and ahead of the household was needed. 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: Paula needed to be home, so all responsibility landed on me. 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: I had no time to be away from home. Being 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: busy with the family kept the dark side at bay. 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: The next year, we got a pet dog, Patches, a 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: Britney Spaniel. I built a fence in the backyard and 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: I did a lot of gardening and enjoyed life with 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: my wife and two kids. The job with ADT gave 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: me opportunities to be out of town, staying in motel rooms, 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: so I would take the bondage items with me or 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: shop for new ones at the town where I was 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: doing a job. A second time, when Paula came home. 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: I was in full bondage in the hallway in a 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: slit with a rope. I tried to hide it in 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: the bathroom, but there was just too much of it 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: out to hide. She exploded into a fury. I cleaned 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: the mess up and told her I would leave. I 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: was so embarrassed and ashamed. I slept a day or 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: two in the living room. She was thinking about what 29 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: to do. We didn't talk, only small talk in front 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: of the kids. She finally told me that if she 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: ever caught me again, she would file for divorce and 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: I would have to leave the house for good. I understood. 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 3: I vowed I would never do this at home again. 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: Someone killed four members of a family. 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 5: Had you vanished from her home suddenly last weekend? Her 36 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 5: phone lines had been cut, her door left open. 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 6: You see the victim playing there with flashing bags over 38 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 6: their heads, strangled. You could tell it was a plan scenario. 39 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 7: Well, police have said no more about the contents of 40 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 7: the letter. 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 5: It does contain some sort of threat and implies the 42 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 5: killer may strike again. 43 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: He's going to play with these victims. 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 8: He'd get him to the point of death and then 45 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 8: bring them back and then brings them back to the 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 8: point of death. 47 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 9: From My Heart podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 9: and this is Monster BTK. In nineteen seventy nine, sixty 49 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 9: three year old Anna Williams just barely escaped to becoming 50 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 9: btk's eighth victim. He had broken into her home and 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 9: waited for her, leaving in a huff when she didn't 52 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 9: arrive home at her normal time. Soon after, he sent 53 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 9: a nineteen line poem titled oh Anna, why didn't you 54 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 9: appear to both Williams and to Cake TV. Police wondered 55 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 9: why BTK had targeted Williams. She was, after all, older 56 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 9: than most of his other victims. They wondered if her 57 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 9: twenty four year old granddaughter had been his intended target. 58 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 9: Williams didn't stick around to find out. 59 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 6: Well, Annie, she left Wichita, she moved, and again the 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 6: community still on high alert. 61 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 9: If you will This is former Wichita Police Chief Richard Lemonnion. 62 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 9: He says that after the Williams attempt, the BTK trail 63 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 9: went dark. In May of nineteen seventy nine, Raider graduated 64 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 9: from Wichita State with a bachelor's degree in Administration of Justice. 65 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 9: This resulted in the loss of his cover story for 66 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 9: being out late in the evenings, another reason. He put 67 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 9: the monster to rest, but he started practicing bondage more often. 68 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 9: Eventually he was caught by his wife, which you heard 69 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 9: at the top of the episode. This incident was deeply 70 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 9: embarrassing to Raider. He assured Paula he would change, but 71 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 9: in reality, the only thing he changed was the location 72 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 9: of his self gratification. Here are his words from the 73 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 9: book Confession of a Serial Killer. 74 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: These incidents were perfect times to seek professional help. I know, 75 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: but I don't recall if Paula asked me to do 76 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: anything like this. Maybe she did, and I told her 77 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: I would work it out. But I thought if I 78 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: told someone about the other things I was doing in 79 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: order to really get help, they would be obligated to 80 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 3: tell the police. 81 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 9: Nineteen eighty four marked ten years since the Otero killings, 82 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 9: and btk's five year absence hadn't put Leamonnion's feares to 83 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 9: bed like it had for other Witchitans. 84 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 6: There was a sense of that was in our history. 85 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 6: It doesn't exist anymore, at least to the community. To me, 86 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 6: it was very real. 87 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 9: So with special permission from city manager Jene Denton and 88 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 9: Al kirk A County Commissioner. Lamnion planned the most sophisticated 89 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 9: investigation in city history. The technological advancements of the nineteen 90 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 9: eighties re energized the investigation gation. 91 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 6: In eighty four, we put together a special task force. 92 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 6: I handpicked a group of investigators to be a part 93 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 6: of that. I had senior detectives, I had new detectives. 94 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 6: I had patrol officers that were assigned, and that was 95 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 6: the only thing they were working on. The media found 96 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 6: out about it. We didn't tell them what was going on, 97 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 6: but they dubbed it ghostbusters. The idea was of this 98 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 6: group was number one to identify and arrest the guy. 99 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 6: Number two was to put together all the information we had, 100 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 6: computerize it as best we could, put all the files 101 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 6: in place. If he was dead, we knew that we 102 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 6: would find the trophies sometime or if he was still alive, 103 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 6: at some point he's going to come back. So we're 104 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 6: going to either catch the person or we're going to 105 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 6: put it together in such a way that when the 106 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 6: next thing happens, whoever the investigator is can just pick 107 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 6: it up and move forward. That was our plan. 108 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 9: Promising young detectives like Kenny land Where were brought in 109 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 9: to give this case. 110 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 6: There all we weren't done, We hadn't put everything together, 111 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 6: and I thought to myself, this is the type of 112 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 6: thing we need to do, get behind closed doors. We've 113 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 6: got computers, now, we've got DNA, we've got semen, we've 114 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 6: got everything else. And as a result of that, it 115 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 6: took several months, but it proved at least in our 116 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 6: mind that we knew the person we're looking for is local. 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 6: The reason we can't find him is he's one of us. 118 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 6: He goes to the same grocery store that we go to, 119 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 6: he goes to the same movies. He probably has a family, 120 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 6: he works here, and the reason we can't find him 121 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 6: is one of the people that lives in this door. 122 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 9: The BTK task Force was made up of eight men, 123 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 9: Captain Gary Fulton, Lieutenant Al Stewart, and Officers Paul Dotson, 124 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 9: ed Nass, Mark Richardson, Jerry Harper, and Paul Holmes, along 125 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 9: with land Where. Throughout nineteen eighty four, the Ghostbusters would 126 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 9: search high and low for clues about the identity of BTK. 127 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 9: For the first month of their work with the task force. 128 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 9: They did nothing but read reports. They spent hundreds of 129 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 9: man hours re examining an index of previously eliminated suspects 130 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 9: put together by older detectives. They also spent weeks debating 131 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 9: whether or not to add the Catherine Bright files to 132 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 9: the BTK evidence. Yes, they eventually decided. In October of 133 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 9: nineteen eighty four, they brought in FBI criminal profilers. 134 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 8: We call the Wichita police. Come on in here, guys, 135 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 8: and bring a tape recorders. We won't be able to 136 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 8: have time at the written profile, but we'll work with 137 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 8: you for day or two whatever takes to help you 138 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 8: people out. 139 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 9: This is John Douglas, former FBI special agent. 140 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 8: And then we did this kind of a mind bust, 141 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 8: me and three other profiles with the cops there going 142 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 8: around and evaluating, the analyzing the case things that they 143 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 8: should be doing. And I came up with the idea, 144 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 8: when you have an offender who starts to communicate, rather 145 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 8: communicate with a department, I want him to communicate with 146 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 8: a person affiliated with the investigation, and I want that 147 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 8: guy to be the focal point I called a super coop. 148 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 9: In time, Kenny Landware would become that focal point. The 149 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 9: initial FBI profile, delivered in part by criminal profile or 150 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 9: Roy Hazelwood, provided cops with their first detailed impressions of BTK. 151 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 9: Here is an excerpt from the book bind Tour Kill. 152 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 10: Hazelwood thought BTK practiced bondage in everyday life, that he 153 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 10: was a sexual sadist, a control freak, and could interact 154 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 10: with others only on a superficial level. You know him, 155 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 10: but you don't really know him. The profiler felt that 156 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 10: although BTK would do well at work, he wouldn't like 157 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 10: anyone telling him what to do. Hazelwood also thought BTK 158 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 10: collected bondage materials and read crime books and detective magazines. 159 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 9: From then on, every time BTK Task Force member Paul 160 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 9: Holmes entered someone's home, he looked around for detective magazines. 161 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 9: When Raider's daughter Carrie made it to kindergarten, he decided 162 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 9: he was ready to kill again, but he was older. 163 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 9: Now he had more responsibilities and less time to prowl. 164 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 9: This time, he would pick a target closer to home again. 165 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 9: A snippet from Confession of a serial Killer. 166 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: Raider had noticed a neighbor, Marine Hedge, a fifty three 167 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: year old woman who lived just down the street and 168 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: often gave a friendly wave. She lived alone and was 169 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: just the right size. 170 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: I thought about what her neck would look like with 171 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: a rope around it. 172 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: It was time, Raider thought to re energize his secret identity. 173 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: It had been a long time since the last time 174 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 3: Factor X exploded in my world and shattered someone else's. 175 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 9: Targeting someone so close to home went against his code 176 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 9: for how to be a successful serial killer, but the 177 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 9: challenge excited him. 178 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: Breaking my own rules sort of gave me a rush. 179 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: I lived on the knife edge for a long time 180 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: with this, Following newspaper, TV or neighbor talk. By reading 181 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: other cases, I knew this was a high gamble. To me, 182 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: hedge took a lot of thinking and planning. This was 183 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: the first time I had decided to use the Boy 184 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: Scouts as my cover. 185 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 9: The target day arrived April twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five, 186 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 9: Raider went to the Boy Scout camp, where he typically 187 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 9: helped set up He had become a leader when his 188 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 9: son Brian joined. He parked his car on the hill 189 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 9: by the roadside so that he could leave and come 190 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 9: back unnoticed. 191 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 7: In the end of April nineteen eighty five, I'm almost seven. 192 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 11: My dad was. 193 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 7: On a cub Scout camp out with my brother Brian 194 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 7: at Camp Tewakany. My dad feigns that he's like ill 195 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 7: or has a headache. He says he's going to his ted, 196 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 7: knowing my daddy probably even stuffed something in his sleeping bag. 197 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 9: This is Dennis Raider's daughter Carrie. 198 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 7: Raw and he then using the cub Scout camp out 199 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 7: for an alibi, he goes to a bowling alley, goes 200 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 7: and slashes some beer in his mouth and make it 201 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 7: seem like he was drinking. He leaves our family chavette 202 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 7: at the bowling alley and he takes a taxi out 203 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 7: to my neighbor. He gets out of the taxi and 204 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 7: he has a bowling bag with him that's maroon and white. 205 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 5: That's like his hit kit. 206 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 7: And he walks past my grandparents house and he goes 207 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 7: through Missus Hedges' backyard. Missus hedges house is built exactly 208 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 7: like my house and exactly like my grandparents' house, three 209 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 7: bedroom ranch. 210 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 9: This meant he'd have no trouble figuring out the best 211 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 9: way to get into the home. He cut her phone line, 212 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 9: broke into the home, and then yet another one of 213 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 9: his plans hit a snag. 214 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 7: He broke into her house, expecting her to be home 215 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 7: because her car was there, but she had gone with 216 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 7: this man. She's not, so he's disappointed and mad, so 217 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 7: he hides in her closet. Then they come home, and 218 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 7: now she's come home with a man. While he doesn't 219 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 7: want to have to deal with two people. It's messy, 220 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 7: and he's not there for the man. He's there for her. 221 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 7: So he's getting frustrated and he's hanging on in the 222 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 7: closet and he's like waiting forever for the man to leave. 223 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 7: He probably could have murdered both of them, he just 224 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 7: didn't want to because he's older at this point too. 225 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 11: It's eighty five, so he's wet. 226 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 7: He's forty at that point, and he hadn't murdered anybody 227 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 7: in my eight years. So he waits for her to 228 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 7: fall asleep, and he jumps into bed and starts strangling her. 229 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 9: He manually suffocated Marine until she died. In his words, 230 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 9: he throttled her. What happened next is a departure from 231 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 9: btk's usual mo In a disturbing turn of events, Rayder 232 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 9: decided taking photos of Marine's body in her house wasn't enough. 233 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 9: He wanted to do something special. 234 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: Since I was in the sexual fantasy, I went ahead 235 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: and stripped her and tied her up. I put handcuffs on. 236 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: I put her on a blanket, and I went through 237 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: her purse. I needed the car key and took some 238 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: personal items in the house while I figured out how 239 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: I was going to get her out of there. Eventually, 240 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: I moved her to the trunk of the car. I 241 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: took the car over to christ Lutheran Church, where I 242 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: had stashed some items. I tied her up in different 243 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: positions and took pictures. I did not use the altar. 244 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: I was bad and disturbed, but I still had respect 245 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: for some items of God's house. Finally I had a 246 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: real bondage picture with a victim. 247 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 9: Daylight was coming fast. He had to hide Marine's body 248 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 9: and make it back to the boy scout camp before 249 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 9: anyone noticed he was gone. He left her body in 250 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 9: a ditch on fifty third Street. Police wouldn't find her 251 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 9: until over a week later. 252 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 5: The body was discovered here at fifty third Street North, 253 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 5: just east of Webb Road, a bit west of the 254 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 5: area that police had been searching all weekend for some 255 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: clue to the disappearance of fifty three year old Marine Hedge. 256 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 5: Hedge vanished from her home suddenly last weekend. Her phone 257 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 5: lines had been cut, her door left open, and police 258 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 5: have been picking up the pieces ever since. But Park 259 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 5: City Police Chief Ace van Way may have put the 260 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 5: final piece of the puzzle together when he and a 261 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 5: partner noticed what appeared to be a blouse hanging from 262 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 5: a tree limb and searched this area. 263 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 9: Marine Hedge's murder was not connected to BTK at the time. 264 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 9: It had taken place outside of Wichita, and despite the 265 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 9: cut phone lines, didn't fit the usual BTKM. 266 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 6: Keep in mind, this is a county case, different investigators, 267 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 6: different crime unit. However, we work very closely with him, 268 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 6: and even after discussion the fact that her body was 269 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 6: thrown out, if you will, at an intersection fifty third 270 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 6: and Web, we just did not see a connection with 271 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 6: it whatsoever. 272 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 5: The body was nude and police say badly decomposed. A 273 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 5: pair of knotted pantyhose were found lying in the ditch 274 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 5: beside it, and the evergreen branches covering the body may 275 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 5: match pine needles found in the trunk of Marine Hatches 276 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 5: car but police say that's about all the evidence they 277 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 5: have to go on. 278 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 9: Raider's big risk had panned out. No one suspected BTK 279 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 9: all eyes were on Marine's date as the prime suspect. 280 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 9: Psychologist Catherine Ramsland says Raider had to play it safe 281 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 9: after this. 282 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 12: He enjoyed that kind of cat and mouse game to 283 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 12: a point. When he killed a woman in his own neighborhood, 284 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 12: he'd not make any communication at all because, first of all, 285 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 12: that violated his own rules don't kill close to home, 286 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 12: and second, he didn't want to bring the police, you know, 287 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 12: give them any sense that this is related to the 288 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 12: other murders, So that stopped his communications. 289 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 9: Breaking his no killing close to home rule also had 290 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 9: ripple effects that impacted his family's sense of safety. 291 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 7: Somehow. I know that missus Hedge she's been strangled. A 292 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 7: week or so later, I am running around at Christ 293 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 7: Lutheran after a church and I fall and I break 294 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 7: my arm. So I have a bone sticking out of 295 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 7: my arm. I'm bleeding and I'm screaming. Now I've had 296 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 7: this like pretty major injury for a kid. My dad 297 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 7: gets a cookie tray from the church kitchen and a 298 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 7: towel to secure my arm, and he puts me in 299 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 7: the back of our station wagon instead of calling an ambulance. 300 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 7: My mom's back there with me. He drives me a 301 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 7: few miles south of late I have to have surgery, 302 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 7: three pins put in my arm, and I'm in the. 303 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 11: Hospital for five days. 304 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 7: So my six year old self cemitted missus Hedge's murder 305 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 7: with my broken arm, and it was just like big 306 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 7: trauma ball and so literally I started having night terrors, 307 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 7: and the best we know, my night terrors started around 308 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 7: the time missus Hedge was murdered. 309 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 9: Talking with Payne Lindsey in the Tenderfoot Studio, Carrie says 310 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 9: she thought her fear emboldened her father. 311 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 13: As a six year old. 312 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 7: Did you know that this was related to Henny's death? No, 313 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 7: I mean, there's no way I realized I had combined 314 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 7: like the trauma over my arm and the hospital and 315 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 7: Missus Hedge. He's quoted as saying, like, at that time, 316 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 7: when I started getting scared like that, that it worried 317 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 7: him that I was messed up basically from the murder 318 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 7: he had committed down the street. But it also empowered him. 319 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 7: It may feel empowered like he was terrifying me. 320 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: So your dad was aware that you, like, even if 321 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: you weren't, your dad was aware that you were being 322 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: affected by hedges death. 323 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 7: Yeah. He's quoted in twenty sixteen as saying he was 324 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 7: sure it was from there. I mean, I've talked to criminologists, 325 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 7: I've talked to detectives, talked to trauma therapists. Nobody knows 326 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 7: how to fix this night terra stuff, and nobody knows. 327 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 7: Why is it the bad guy in the room trying 328 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 7: and kill me? Do you feel like the bad guy 329 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 7: is your dad? 330 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 13: Oh? 331 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 11: Yeah. 332 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 9: In June of nineteen eighty five, nearly seventeen hundred miles 333 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 9: away from Wichita in San Francisco, California, a man named 334 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 9: Leonard Lake was connected to more than two dozen deaths 335 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 9: and disappearances. 336 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 14: This tape, what you're hearing now is going to be 337 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 14: the lead end building, which hopefully will be the first 338 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 14: of a series of underground buildings. The main emphasis of 339 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 14: the building will be a cell. The purpose of that 340 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 14: cell and the main purpose hens of the building will 341 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 14: be the imprisonment. 342 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 6: For the young lady, a remote cabin where cops say 343 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 6: some of the most gruesome serial killings in California, history 344 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 6: took place twelve. 345 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 4: It was in big Dums. 346 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 15: Three women, seven men, two babies. 347 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 9: Raider was fascinated. He saw a lot of parallels between 348 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 9: himself and Lake. Here are his words from Confession of 349 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 9: a serial Killer. 350 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 3: I had clippings about him and his partner in my 351 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: Heidi Hole folders, but killing babies was off my list. 352 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: After the oteros and by random chance with Vianne, I 353 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: decided that no young children would be involved in my hits. 354 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 9: It wouldn't be long before Rader betrayed this newly formed rule. 355 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 14: I can't imagine any woman. 356 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 6: Harming her, not knowing her. 357 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 5: She was a good person to know. 358 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 11: And a good friend to have had. 359 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 9: Vicky Wiggery was a young mother who lived at twenty 360 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 9: four oh four West thirteenth Street with her husband Bill 361 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 9: and children Brandon and Stephanie. Dennis Rader spotted her in 362 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 9: the fall of nineteen eighty six. As he spied on 363 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 9: her home, he would listen as she played the piano. 364 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 9: He thought she played beautifully and named her Project Piano. Ironically, 365 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 9: her neighbor was the head of the BTK Task Force, 366 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 9: Kenny landwere Vicky stayed at home with two year old 367 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 9: Brandon during the day, while Bill was off at work, 368 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 9: Rader decided this would be the best time to strike. 369 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 9: He planned to pass himself off as a Southwestern Bell 370 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 9: repairman to gain access to her home. Here is another 371 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 9: excerpt from the book The Inside Story of BTK. 372 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 10: Raider had modified a business card to look like a 373 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 10: phone company identification card. He had a yellow hard hat 374 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 10: provided by ADT. He had cut out a segment of 375 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 10: the cover of a Southwestern Bell repair manual and pasted 376 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 10: it on the hard hat, hoping to pass himself off 377 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 10: as a telephone repairman. The briefcase he would carry looked official, 378 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 10: but would contain his hit kit supplies. 379 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 9: It was the morning of September sixteenth, nineteen eighty six. 380 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 9: Rader parked the security company van in the Indian Hills 381 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 9: Shopping Center parking lot, donned his costume and crossed the 382 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 9: street towards Vicki's house, but first to strengthen his cover, 383 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 9: he went the home of her elderly neighbors, who led 384 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 9: him in to check their phone lines. 385 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 10: When he left the older couple's house, he walked to 386 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 10: the blond woman's door. He heard the piano. When he 387 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 10: knocked the music stopped. 388 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 9: Vicky opened the door, and Rader led with the same 389 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 9: line he had used on the neighbors. She was weary 390 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 9: and asked whether it was really necessary for him to 391 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 9: come in. Wasn't the phone line in the backyard, Vicky asked. 392 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 9: Eventually she relented after pretending to test her telephone. He 393 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 9: dropped the act and told Vicki to go to the bedroom. 394 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 9: She cried out, what about my kid, she asked. My 395 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 9: husband is going to be home soon, she said. Rader 396 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 9: hoped not. 397 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 10: He made her lie down on the waterbed. As she 398 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 10: cried and tried to argue, He tied her wrists and 399 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 10: ankles with leather shoelaces. Vicki began to pray out loud. 400 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 10: Suddenly she ched her hands, broke her bonds, and began 401 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 10: to fight. And then everything became noise and fear. Btk 402 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 10: hit Picky in the face again and again, then grabbed 403 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 10: at her throat, she thought, nicking him on the neck 404 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 10: with a fingernail. He tried to use his strangling rig 405 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 10: but couldn't get a grip. He saw a pair of 406 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 10: panty hose nearby that worked. Once he looped it around 407 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 10: her neck. 408 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 6: He killed her and left the baby did not kill 409 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 6: the baby. The baby was just a toddler, a little 410 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 6: little bitty thing. The husband found her when he got home. 411 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 6: The crime scene was pretty much destroyed, if you will, 412 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 6: by the husband and by others trying to revive her 413 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 6: and things of that nature. 414 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 9: When Bill Wiggerly arrived home on his lunch break, it 415 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 9: would take him forty five minutes before he discovered his 416 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 9: wife's body in their bedroom, and. 417 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 13: By the time police got to Vicky Weggerly's house on 418 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 13: West Thirteenth, her heart had already stopped beating. She died 419 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 13: within fifteen minutes at Riverside Hospital. Her husband Bill supposedly 420 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 13: found Vicky with a noose around her neck. Their two 421 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 13: year old son, Brandon, was playing in another bedroom at 422 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 13: the time of the murder. And now, after hours of 423 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 13: interviewing family members and searching for evidence, police have a 424 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 13: few leads on who killed Vicky Weggerly. 425 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 9: Per standard police procedure, Bill Weggery became the prime suspect 426 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 9: in his wife's murder. Unfortunately, as Richard Lemunien says, his 427 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 9: initial panic upon discovering his wife's body only made the 428 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 9: situation worse. 429 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 6: The crime chain was really meshed up. I mean, here's 430 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 6: a husband. He comes to old Panny, here's his wife. 431 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 6: He's trying to do everything he can to shave her. 432 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 6: You can't visualize walking into a situation like that. And 433 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 6: when ems gets there, everyone else gets there. You got 434 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 6: a baby screaming. I mean, you're trying to do everything 435 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 6: you can. You're trying to get her to the hospital. 436 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 9: Detectives were trying to move fast. The first few hours 437 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 9: in a homicide investigation are crucial. They grilled Bill. Was 438 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 9: he having an affair? 439 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 16: Was she? 440 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 9: What took him so long to find his wife's body. 441 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 9: They suggested a lie detector test, and he agreed. They 442 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 9: tested him twice. He failed both times. Years later, Wichita 443 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 9: police would come to the conclusion that lie detector tests 444 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 9: should never be given to a spouse. In the immediate 445 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 9: aftermath of the murder, It's likely Bill's distress led to 446 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 9: the two false positives. Raiders sent no communication about the 447 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 9: murder of Vicki Weggerly, and so yet another BTK murder 448 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 9: went unattributed to the serial killer. Richard Lemonnion said a 449 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 9: police had discussed the possibility. 450 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 6: At first, it was questionable whether or not that was 451 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 6: a BTK case, A couple of investigators didn't think so, 452 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 6: A couple of other investigators did think so, and I 453 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 6: agreed with them. But we can't prove it one. 454 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 4: Way or the other. 455 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 6: There just won't any evidence like the other ones had 456 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 6: been in the past. And to keep in mind, it 457 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 6: had been a while now since we had had a 458 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 6: BTK quote murder credit. It's kind of unusual because my 459 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 6: brother lived like four doors down from that particular house 460 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 6: on thirteenth Street. What are the irony of that? 461 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 9: By the year following the Weggerly murder, all the Ghostbusters 462 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 9: but Kenny Landweer had been reassigned. Then just before the 463 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 9: end of nineteen eighty seven, Landwear was assigned to the 464 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 9: homicide unit. While the BTK Task Force never truly disbanded, 465 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 9: the which atop police force and the greater Wichita community 466 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 9: moved on. BTK outlasted entire cop careers. Richard Lemunien retired 467 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 9: in nineteen eighty eight. 468 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 6: I still remember some of the tragedies, you know that 469 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 6: I went to some of the homicide, the rape cases 470 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 6: and the bused children are pulling people out of rerection, 471 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 6: saying you remember those kind of things, And of course 472 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 6: you don't forget a BGK case at all. 473 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 9: Throughout the rest of the nineteen eighties, Raider picked out 474 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 9: various projects, none of which panned out. He estimated to 475 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 9: Catherine Ramsland that more than thirty could have resulted in 476 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 9: murder victims. At the end of nineteen eighty seven, a 477 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 9: Wichita woman named Mary Fager came home to find her 478 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 9: husband and two daughters had been murdered. Here's an excerpt 479 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 9: from a January nineteen eighty eight news article. 480 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 15: Bodies of Sherry and Kelly Faker were found in a 481 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 15: newly installed hot tub in the Solarium. Kelly, who was nude, 482 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 15: was drowned. Police were investigating the possibility she was sexually assaulted. 483 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 15: Lemnion said Sherry was found with her hands bound behind 484 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 15: her back with black electrical tape. She had been strangled 485 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 15: with an electrical cord and also drowned. Philip Fager was 486 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 15: shot twice in the back of the head. 487 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 9: A few days after the murders, an envelope arrived at 488 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 9: the Faker's house. In it was a drawing of a 489 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 9: young girl bound and lying next to a tub. The 490 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 9: envelope also contained a poem entitled Oh God, he put 491 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 9: Kelly Sherry in the tub. Investigators guessed the letter had 492 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 9: come from BTK. They were right. Part of the letter reads. 493 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: Another one prowls of the deep abyss of lewd thoughts 494 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: and deeds. 495 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 9: Raider didn't kill the Fager family. He was just a 496 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 9: fan of whoever had. In confession of a serial killer, 497 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 9: Raider said he mailed Missus Fager the letter as a 498 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 9: safe way to let a little bit of the monster out. 499 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: Compare it to a volcano. The molten lava couldn't find 500 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: the time, the hidden hours and time away from home 501 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: was simply not there, so it had to find a 502 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: different way to erupt. 503 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 9: In the summer of nineteen eighty eight, Raider lost his 504 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 9: job with ADT. The pressure continued to build. Carrie says 505 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 9: he found other ways to let the pressure out. When 506 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 9: he had opportunities to go out of town, he would 507 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 9: relive his various hints. 508 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 7: For him, it really wasn't about who he was murdering, 509 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 7: or even the murder or the fan fantasy of wanting it. 510 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 7: He said, it was always like this letown like now 511 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 7: they're dead. Now wept, but he could always replay it. 512 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 7: So he's known to like dress up and do this 513 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 7: bondage to re enact what he was doing to these people, 514 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 7: and most of the time that was enough for him. 515 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 7: When he was in the censes in the late eighties, 516 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 7: he would take his bondage stuff and he have polaroids 517 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 7: of himself dressed up in like full wing and clothes, 518 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 7: trying to recreate this visual image of his victims. He 519 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 7: called it motel parties. 520 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 9: After getting a job as a census field supervisor in 521 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 9: nineteen eighty nine, he had another reason to travel, allowing 522 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 9: Raider to gratify himself away from the prying eyes of Paula. 523 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: My first major motel party was in Elk City, Oklahoma. 524 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: I worked it there on off days in between trainings. 525 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: Before I was able to travel, I was limited on extravagance. 526 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: Usually it was in barns or such places, and I 527 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: had little time. As the trips increased and became more lavish, 528 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: the motel parties became a sex struck. I looked forward 529 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: to them a reward after a long day, a hot 530 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: date with a sex fantasy victim. For bondage. I used 531 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 3: all kinds of gadgets on me. I had my favorite 532 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: feminine clothes, the red braw from PJ. Bell the chemise 533 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: from PJ. Foxtail jewelry from Deflower, satin hose from PJ. 534 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: Prairie colored pantyhose from so many slips, panties, wigs, masks 535 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: of different types, much like the Buffalo bill from the 536 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 3: Silence of the Lambs, A good book and movie for 537 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 3: a motel party. 538 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 9: While Raider was hiding out in motel rooms, serial killers 539 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 9: were gaining cultural prominence. 540 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 17: Year old drifter with no record of violence, yet he's 541 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 17: accused of being one of California's most brutal killers. Richard 542 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 17: Ramirez was captured today. Police say he is the walk 543 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 17: in killer. 544 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 13: Police removed boxes and boxes of body parts evidence of 545 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 13: what appears to be a psychopathic mass murder. 546 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 17: Horrible truth to suburban contractor John Gacy's rambling statements to 547 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 17: police last week is becoming more and more evident with 548 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 17: each passing day. 549 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 18: Street The strangler case makes one fact vividly clear. People 550 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 18: can never totally protect themselves from unknown killers who choose 551 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 18: their victims at random, leaving behind virtually no clues and 552 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 18: even less understanding of their motives. 553 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 9: Reader hated that so many other serial killers were getting 554 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 9: famous while BTK was not. He wondered if it was 555 00:34:49,080 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 9: time to strike again. At forty six years old, Dennis 556 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 9: Raider's urge to kill was as strong as ever. His 557 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 9: motel parties and bondage toys were no longer cutting it. 558 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 9: By nineteen ninety, over four years had passed since his 559 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 9: last successful hit. No one had connected BTK to a 560 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 9: murder since nineteen seventy seven. In the fall of nineteen ninety, 561 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 9: he spotted Delores Davis. 562 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 16: Mom was a real giving person. She always was worried 563 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 16: about the underdog, as she always was concerned about the 564 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 16: other person. I honestly always put other people's needs ahead 565 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 16: of her own. My name is Jeff Davis and I'm 566 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 16: the son of Doloris Davis. Mom was a very sacrificing person. 567 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 16: She was a pretty optimistic person for the most part, 568 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 16: even during the hard times. She tried to be optimistic. 569 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 16: She's lived by Christian values and she tried to make 570 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 16: herself an example in that respect. And she was always 571 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 16: there for me and my system, even when I probably 572 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 16: didn't deserve it. And Steve was just the kind of 573 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 16: person that if you met her, you say, Jesus, really 574 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 16: nice ladies. If anybody didn't like my mom. I don't 575 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 16: know who it would have been. I mean, any stun 576 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 16: is going to be biased Forge's mother. Before she died, 577 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 16: we had a very very close relationship, and I'm so 578 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 16: glad that we were able to do that because as 579 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 16: the guys under circumstances where there was bad blood or something, 580 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 16: it would have been even more horrible than I already was. 581 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 9: In nineteen ninety one, Dolores Davis was a single woman 582 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 9: living alone in Wichitama. Dolores and her husband split in 583 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 9: nineteen sixty one. Jeff went to live with his dad, 584 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 9: while his sister stayed in Wichital with their mom. Delores's 585 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 9: daughter graduated high school in the mid nineteen seventies, and 586 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 9: Dolores was then on her own. 587 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 16: She drew up on a farm, so failways had a 588 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 16: farm mentality, and farmers don't lock their doors. I would 589 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 16: face seems probably a little more cautious because it was 590 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 16: with her, and she didn't have a dog, she'd have 591 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 16: any kind of alarm system. 592 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 9: Like every other person in Wichital, Delores and her children 593 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 9: had heard about the BTK murders. Jeff at least feared 594 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 9: what could happen, but Dolores's habits didn't change much. 595 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 16: Mom was always very independent and she pretty much face 596 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 16: could handle herself. Now I wanted her to get a dog, 597 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 16: and she was gonna get a dog, and she did 598 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 16: get one, and then the landlord made her give it up. 599 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 16: That I have a real problem with. Sure, he's been 600 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 16: pretty self sufficient too. I don't think they hit home 601 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 16: with them. I think it was an abtract concept that 602 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 16: most people in town realized something bad is going on 603 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 16: out there. I don't think anybody personalized. There was no 604 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 16: real reasons. They just thought of it as you know, 605 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,439 Speaker 16: you have a three fatality car wreck. But I think 606 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 16: in my family we didn't stal need to make a 607 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 16: lot of things. 608 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: Huh. 609 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 9: Reader had seen Davis not far from where he lived 610 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 9: in Park City. Carrie Rawson says he became obsessed with her. 611 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 7: Now he had been stalking her. He was moonlighting at 612 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 7: Leeker's Grocery. Now, my grandma had worked there and my 613 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 7: dad had worked there in high school. My mom was 614 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 7: a bookkeeper there at some point. It's where we always 615 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 7: grocery shopped. Everybody knew our family. They were trying to 616 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 7: help my dad out with money, and they were having 617 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 7: him do security and install some cameras and stuff, you know, 618 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 7: just help him out. Well, that's where he got fixated 619 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 7: on Dolores. 620 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 11: She was a widow. 621 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 7: He's depressed, and so he decides to murder her. 622 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 9: He set a target date for January of nineteen ninety one. 623 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 7: He's forty six years old now, and he's depressed and 624 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 7: he's miserable because he doesn't have a job and we 625 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 7: don't have much money. And I'm in seventh grade. And 626 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 7: in December of ninety my mom falls ill. She had 627 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 7: asthma and she gets pneumonia, and so she's at Saint 628 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 7: Francis for like ten or twelve days. So he's like 629 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 7: sir stressed out, and I'm trying to manage my dad, 630 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 7: keep him calm and under control, and don't worry. Dad 631 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 7: and Mom will be okay and there'll be money. And 632 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 7: I'm scared and I'm worried about my dad. And then 633 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 7: mid January, I believe in ninety one, my brother's in 634 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 7: Boy Scouts now, and he goes up north to Newton 635 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 7: area with my brother on Trapper Rendezvous camp out. So 636 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 7: for the second time in six shares, he's using a 637 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 7: Boy Scout camp out as an alibi for. 638 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 9: Murder again Raider's words from Confession of a Serial Killer. 639 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 3: I arrived early and got camp all set up. When 640 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: the others arrived, I fabricated a story that I had 641 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 3: to go back to town for something. I went to 642 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 3: my parents' house and dressed in my hit clothes in 643 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 3: the basement. I checked my hit list and drove to 644 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 3: the Baptist Church on East sixty first Street in Park City. 645 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 3: The Scout Troop had a place there where they store equipment, 646 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 3: so I had a cover story in case someone happened by. 647 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 3: I also had some Heidi holes there on Pancake Scout Day. 648 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 3: I had stayed there over night from morning set up 649 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 3: and did bondage in the basement Sunday school rooms. From there, 650 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 3: I walked directly to her place. 651 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 9: Raider picked up a cinder block and threw it through 652 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 9: the window of her home. Delores ran out of her bedroom, 653 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 9: asking if he had her home with his car. He 654 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 9: tried to use his usual rousse to disarm her. When 655 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 9: Delores told him to leave, he informed her he was 656 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 9: carrying a club, a gun, and a knife. 657 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 3: She said she was expecting someone. I could not believe 658 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 3: my luck in these places. I've always got someone coming. 659 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 9: Raider then strangled Dolores with a pair of pantyhose. 660 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 3: And that was it with her. I didn't take any 661 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 3: pictures because I thought, well, this guy is coming. I 662 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 3: don't want to be in this house. I need to 663 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 3: get out of here. I put her in the trunk. 664 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 3: That was not a smart move. The police could have 665 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 3: connected her to Hedge. I opened the garage door, backed out, 666 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 3: closed it and drove straight down hillside to fifty third 667 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 3: Street North, then west to Hydraulic, then south to the 668 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 3: k Dot Lakes. 669 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 9: He left her body there in the bushes. He drove 670 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 9: her car to Christ Lutheran Church and disposed of some 671 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 9: items under the church's shed, before realizing he had misplaced 672 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 9: his gun. He drove back to Dolores's house, retrieved his 673 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 9: gun and a few souvenirs, including her jewelry box and 674 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 9: a thirty five millimeter camera. He couldn't stop thinking about 675 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 9: her body. Catherine Ramslin says he wanted to give his 676 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 9: biggest fantasy another try. 677 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 12: With Deloris Davis. He wanted to do something different. He 678 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 12: wanted to take her body and take it to a barn, 679 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 12: which had been his fantasy for a very long time 680 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 12: and he'd never managed. 681 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 11: To do it. 682 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 12: It was a foggy, snowy night, so he got lost 683 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,240 Speaker 12: and he had to finally just dump the body out 684 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 12: under a bridge. 685 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 9: He left her body under the bridge at one hundred 686 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 9: and seventeenth Street North, then rushed to get back to 687 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 9: the Boy's Out camp, but Carrie says he still couldn't 688 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 9: let Dolores rest. 689 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 7: Then he goes back to the camp out and he 690 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 7: keeps thinking about her and her body, and he can't 691 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 7: let it go, and he thinks that it was not 692 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 7: the best place. It's just not set staged right the 693 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 7: way he wants it, and he stages her with a 694 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 7: mask like probably one of the ones he was burying 695 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 7: in some of his bondage fantasies, because he doesn't like 696 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 7: that she's decaying right, like you'll hear these other guys 697 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 7: talk about this, like they don't like the way they 698 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 7: look after they're murdered or they're not alive. So he 699 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 7: puts a mask on her and then he finally has 700 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 7: to let her go. So now he's driving back and 701 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 7: he stops at a rest up because he's got to 702 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 7: change his clothes back into his boy scout outfit and 703 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 7: he gets caught by like a highway patrolman. He was 704 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 7: there changing his clothes and the highway patrolman was questioning 705 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 7: him and asking him what he was. 706 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 9: Doing next time on Monster BTK. 707 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 4: But my daughter came to me and said, Dad, you know, 708 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 4: Dennis showed up in our backyard of customers. 709 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 12: He gave me a list of fifty five different projects 710 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 12: of women he had seen and stopped. 711 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 7: You can't help himself. It's like an iceberg, right, like 712 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 7: you're only seeing the very tip of somebody with him, 713 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 7: He thought. 714 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 4: You know, I'm the smartest guy in the room and 715 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 4: they're never going to catch me. 716 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 7: My dad snaps and he just lunges out of his 717 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 7: chair at my brother. 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