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Speaker 2: the country. Show, Hey Otani did it again last night.

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Speaker 2: So that's five consecutive games. And I asked Pauli, I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious the percentage of home runs to hits that

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Speaker 2: he has, Like how many how often does he hit

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Speaker 2: a home run? And how many of you know, percentage

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Speaker 2: wise of the hits he's had, so O'tani has one

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Speaker 2: hundred six hits, are one hundred and eight hits and

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Speaker 2: thirty seven home runs, So thirty four percent of all

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Speaker 2: of his hits our home runs. Now, I thought Kyle

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Speaker 2: Schwarber would lead baseball in that category. He's just a

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Speaker 2: little bit above. Show Hey Otani, thirty six percent of

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Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber's hits our home runs. He has ninety four hits,

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Speaker 2: he has thirty four home runs. The big dumper, the

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Speaker 2: big Dumper is number one. He has over forty one

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Speaker 2: percent of his hits our home runs, ninety four hits,

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Speaker 2: thirty nine home runs. Eugenio Suarez of the Diamondbacks almost

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Speaker 2: thirty nine percent of his hits. Aaron Judge is also

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Speaker 2: in there as well, twenty almost twenty nine percent of

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Speaker 2: his hits are home runs. So feast or famine for

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Speaker 2: a few of these guys. And early in the season,

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Speaker 2: well it was early in the season Otani was batting

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Speaker 2: three fifty Aaron Judge Aaron Jue, which is batting average

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Speaker 2: is still pretty good. But I think Otani's down around

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Speaker 2: two seventy to seventy five, whereas Aaron Judge is still

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Speaker 2: over three hundred. But I do like what the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: are doing with Otani, and that is you can ease

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Speaker 2: him back in. If he was just a pitcher, the

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Speaker 2: strategy would be different. But what they're doing is pitch

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Speaker 2: a couple of innings. Maybe they have a pitch count,

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Speaker 2: but this is all about the postseason. Get to the

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Speaker 2: postseason and then how are you going to use him?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to use him maybe certain situations as

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Speaker 2: It's tricky when you're going to try to plan to

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Speaker 2: know where's he going to warm up, how's he going

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Speaker 2: to warm up? What if he doesn't get in the game.

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Speaker 2: You know, relievers, closers will tell you they get up

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Speaker 2: You know, a closer could get up fifty times and

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Speaker 2: you can't have that for Otani. That's why I think

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Speaker 2: in some baseball guys have said, hey, it'd be great

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Speaker 2: to bring him in as a closer. It just doesn't

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Speaker 2: that way. But I like what he's doing. I like

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Speaker 2: what they're doing, and that is this is all about

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Speaker 2: the postseason. But he has six He has six hits

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Speaker 2: you're showing up to see Otani Homer, you're getting your wish.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't do much else, doesn't need to just hitting

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Speaker 2: home runs, all right? Pull question today, Seaton, What are

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Speaker 5: Just sing? Shout out to j Lo and Rose byrn

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Speaker 3: Oh great? Rose Burn? Okay, all right?

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Speaker 5: Barry Bonds not same month, same day, same.

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Speaker 2: Year, but okay, kind of lumped in there together. Better

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Speaker 3: Oh Man, that old question.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather have Jlo's career or Barry Bond's career?

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Speaker 7: J Loo's is not tainted by anything. She's successful, dancer, singer, actress, okay, right,

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Speaker 6: Barry Bonds just hits cheating hold on sing.

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Speaker 5: I feel like Jaylo's got some diddy stuff she needs

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Speaker 5: it's not really all that tainted.

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Speaker 3: And other people singing her songs by the way, but.

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Speaker 3: Seaton, who would you take Barry Bond's career?

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Speaker 5: Jal you know what I'm taking my career. I'm going

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Speaker 5: off the boarder board. Well, it is your birthday, go

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Speaker 3: That you're gonna cream the competition.

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Speaker 7: Why she got like a forty year media career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's an entertainer. You see her out and abound.

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Speaker 2: You don't see much of Bonds anymore unless it's a

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Speaker 3: So no one else is doing this, Paul. Questions are no, No,

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Speaker 2: If they are, then they're they're sampling from our show.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Ston, you get to act, you get to sing,

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Speaker 5: you can dance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to maintain that.

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Speaker 5: Though I look good and closed.

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Speaker 3: What's right?

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Speaker 5: What's wrong with all those things?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yes, Marvin. But does j Loo have a statue?

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Speaker 3: She is a statue statue?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. Meanwhile, so with any question today.

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Speaker 5: Here's one from all your policy on rookie quarterbacks, start

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Will Levis is going to be out this

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Speaker 2: entire season with Carolina or no, Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Same thing.

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Speaker 2: But he's gonna have shoulder surgery, and that means cam

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Speaker 2: So if you're in the camp of I don't want

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Speaker 2: my rookie quarterbacks to start, well, tough luck. Given what

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Speaker 3: Oh? Who was? He was on the Jets roster.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know if he can play, but he's

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Speaker 2: Kyle h Brandow, Kyle Allen, Brandon Allen markets He could

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Speaker 7: Yes, So I guess the question here is the past

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Speaker 7: You draft cam Ward, who you know, played at a

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Speaker 7: But now you have to start him week one or

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I would like for him to

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Speaker 7: Cam Ward had thirty eight starts in his college career,

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Speaker 3: In his career. It just you got to have more

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Speaker 2: And we've seen a couple of these quarterbacks who have

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paulie, And this is kind of the end of

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Speaker 7: this good as a rookie. But Bonnick started sixty one

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Speaker 2: The Bengals situation, you have an owner who inherited a

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Speaker 2: football team and he is now saying that Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 2: should and be so emotional when it comes to his contract.

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Speaker 2: And then he gets emotional talking about the first round

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Speaker 2: pick Shamar Stewart who's not in camp, and that you

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Speaker 2: know this, I forget.

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Speaker 3: What the word was, a foolishness.

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Speaker 2: So he's getting animated while complaining about Trey Hendrickson getting animated.

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Speaker 2: And then the Shamar Stewart logic here of hey, they

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Speaker 2: want to put language in there that if I violate

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Speaker 2: the Code of Conduct policy, then they're not going to

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Speaker 2: pay me. And then Mike Brown says, we don't want

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Speaker 2: to pay somebody who's going to be in jail. So

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Speaker 2: if I'm Shamar Stewart, don't I have enough confidence in

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Speaker 2: myself that I won't end up in jail. Therefore I

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Speaker 2: don't need that language there. Get paid, get in camp,

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Speaker 2: stay out of jail. That's not asking too much, is it.

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Speaker 8: You know, there's a lot of good stuff there.

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Speaker 9: Dan, Let's start with Mike Brown and what he said

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Speaker 9: about emotional because that reminds me of when one of

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Speaker 9: the times when I got cut during my career, someone

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Speaker 9: was saying, like, it's not personal, you know, this is

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Speaker 9: just part of the business, and I said, it's not personal.

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Speaker 8: You kind of just fired.

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Speaker 9: Me, like, like, this is my life, this is my dream.

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Speaker 8: I've been doing this since I was five. You kind

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Speaker 8: of just fired me.

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Speaker 9: It's gonna be in the cover paper of my hometown newspaper,

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Speaker 9: Like there's nothing more personal than this.

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Speaker 8: Like this is like it's as personal as it gets.

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Speaker 8: So I always laugh at that part of it.

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Speaker 9: I'll say two things on the Bengals because these are

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Speaker 9: two separate issues, right The Trey Hendrickson thing. You know, Dan,

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Speaker 9: he signed a band aid extension two years ago where

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Speaker 9: he tacked on that extra year, right, He otherwise would

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Speaker 9: have been a free agent this year. And I think

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Speaker 9: he and his representatives should have realized it's the Bengals

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Speaker 9: right like, they're gonna do what they can contractually and

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Speaker 9: hold your feet to the fire. He shouldn't have done

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Speaker 9: that band aid a couple of years ago if he

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Speaker 9: didn't want to. And I have no idea why any

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Speaker 9: of these guys hold out anymore. He's costing himself fifty

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Speaker 9: thousand dollars a day, and the Bengals are not the

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Speaker 9: type of organization that's gonna make up for that with

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Speaker 9: the contract that they give you. You know, there's other

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Speaker 9: guys out that Micah Parsons isn't practicing right now.

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Speaker 8: He says his back is tight or whatever. Right.

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Speaker 9: We've seen guys hold in in recent years, Brandon Aiyuk,

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Speaker 9: Jamar Chase last year. Remember the first few days last

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Speaker 9: year as training camp, Tatungo Baia Looa and Jordan Love

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Speaker 9: were both holdens. So why guys like Hendrick sin or

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Speaker 9: McLaurin just throw away fifty k per day?

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Speaker 8: Is beyond me. I don't understand the logic there. Report.

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Speaker 9: You're actually more of a distraction if you're there and

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Speaker 9: you're talking to media every day and you say your

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Speaker 9: hamstring hurts or your back hurts or whatever. The Stewart thing,

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Speaker 9: which I think the Bengals don't realize, is he's gonna

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Speaker 9: sign a four year, fully guaranteed contract. He's not eligible

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Speaker 9: for a new deal regardless until after his third year.

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Speaker 8: Right so whatever.

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Speaker 9: He's missing right now, he missed the offseason, he's missing

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Speaker 9: training camp. The Bengals have Joe Burrow and these two

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Speaker 9: star receivers in their prime.

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Speaker 8: In my opinion, Dan, it's.

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Speaker 9: Actually more critical or there should be a greater sense

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Speaker 9: of urgency for the Bengals to get Shamar Stewart in

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Speaker 9: and get him ready to contribute this year after their

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Speaker 9: defense was horrendous last year. That it is for Shamar Stewart.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the reality is he could do nothing the

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Speaker 9: next two years. But if his third year he balls out, well,

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Speaker 9: then he's gonna get a new contract. So the onus

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Speaker 9: to me to get Stuart in is on the Bengals.

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Speaker 9: If this contract language is that important to them, then

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Speaker 9: bump up his signing bonus. They like to give him

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Speaker 9: half now and half in six months. Throw them a bone.

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Speaker 9: Here's half now, we'll give the other half in a month.

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Speaker 9: Sign this thing that says, if you go to jail,

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Speaker 9: we don't have to pay you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the news. Justin Fields

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Speaker 2: was carted off practice with the Jets today. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know the severity of this. I'm waiting for Chefty

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Speaker 2: to have an update on this, but kirk Cousins is

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Speaker 2: going to be in play at some point to some team.

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Speaker 2: It feels like now. Once again, I don't know the

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Speaker 2: injury in the severity of that, but it just feels

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Speaker 2: like kirk Cousins is in the on deck circle for now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the Jets say we're willing to

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Speaker 2: bring in somebody like that with the amount of money

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Speaker 2: that they're probably going to have to pay, it's probably

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Speaker 2: going to have to be a team that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be a playoff team if they lose

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Speaker 2: you know, a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Sure if the Jets would have kirk Cousins in play,

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Speaker 2: or the number of teams that would be considering kirk

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Speaker 2: Cousins what do you think.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, it's a great point, Dan, and I'll you know,

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Speaker 9: no matter how severe the injury is to fields, I'll

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Speaker 9: actually give the Atlanta Falcons some credit for hanging on

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Speaker 9: to Cousins and not kind of selling low during the

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Speaker 9: offseason because an injury like this, you know, the the

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Speaker 9: Jets are if he's out for the year, the Jets

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Speaker 9: are not going to go into the season with the

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Speaker 9: other guys they have on the roster right now as

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Speaker 9: their starter. Right They're not going to have that be

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Speaker 9: the case. So that makes Kirk Cousins very much in

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Speaker 9: play because remember this, right Aaron Glenn, new head coach, Mouji,

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Speaker 9: the new GM they're trying to establish their culture. It's

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Speaker 9: a new regime, and I think they want to get

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Speaker 9: off to a good start in terms of having a

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Speaker 9: solid season and winning, and Cousins would give them that opportunity.

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Speaker 9: The flip side, which is fascinating, okay, is that it's supposed.

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Speaker 8: To be a really good draft for quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: We know all the guys Arch Manning and nuss Meyer

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Speaker 9: and Drew Aller and all the names that are out there.

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Speaker 9: You know, maybe there's a case to be made where

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Speaker 9: the Jets say, oh, it's tough luck with fields, and

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Speaker 9: you know there's nobody else really out there. We got

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Speaker 9: to go with these guys. And then maybe the Jets

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Speaker 9: get the number one pick in the draft and they

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Speaker 9: have their pick of what's supposed to be a really

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Speaker 9: good draft class. There's really two ways they could go.

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Speaker 9: They could go the Cousins or maybe try to sign

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Speaker 9: Ryan Tannehill. But I think we all forgot just didn't

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Speaker 9: play football last year. Maybe they go that route to

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Speaker 9: try to still be competitive this year, or maybe they

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Speaker 9: use this as an excuse to throw their hands up

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Speaker 9: and play a little moneyball.

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Speaker 8: If you will get the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 3: Why is it?

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Speaker 2: Next year's draft is always the best draft for quarterback,

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Speaker 2: right because till next year?

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Speaker 9: You know why, because we haven't picked these guys apart yet, right, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 9: you only pick the guys.

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Speaker 8: Apart that are in that year's class. Then it's when

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Speaker 8: it's the next year.

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Speaker 9: You think, oh, man, I saw Aler do this against Oregon,

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Speaker 9: I saw him do this, I saw nus Meyer do this.

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Speaker 9: But then when you just are like when they're the

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Speaker 9: guy the next year and we all watch them every

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Speaker 9: week and really critique them. Then you start to find

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Speaker 9: the flaws and the warts. But we're not at that

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Speaker 9: stage yet that that'll happen. About midway through this year,

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Speaker 9: there will start to be some reports.

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Speaker 8: You know, he's really not as good as we thought

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Speaker 8: he was. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A friend of mine who's a scout, he always laughs,

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Speaker 2: you know when I do, you know, have a draft

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Speaker 2: analysts on and because he knows that once they get

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Speaker 2: their hands on, somebody likes that's the real stuff. The

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Speaker 2: other stuff is just sort of, hey, I think this

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Speaker 2: guy's got, you know, a great high upside. You know,

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Speaker 2: he does this and that, and the scouts go in

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Speaker 2: there and go, okay, guys, you guys done, Now, let

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Speaker 2: us go to work. And then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: we go, you know, such and such as slipping. Well,

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Speaker 2: maybe he was put up too high to begin with,

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Speaker 2: because the scouts wouldn't have put him up there, or

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Speaker 2: somebody's rising, just like that happened with Mahomes. When my

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Speaker 2: friend said, after we sat down with him, then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, we realized that if we're going to

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Speaker 2: go get him, we're going to have to trade up

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Speaker 2: to get this guy. And he said, you know, they

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Speaker 2: didn't get the Mahomes in Kansas City. But he said,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's when you realize, like, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: It's like when Jerry West worked out Kobe and he said, no, no,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna shut it down. Wait, he's only been working

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Speaker 2: out fifteen minutes. We've seen enough. We don't want anybody

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Speaker 2: to realize just how good this kid is.

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Speaker 8: You know, Dan, it happened this offseason.

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Speaker 9: That's exactly what happened with Shador Sanders and Tyler Shuck.

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Speaker 9: I mean, in November, Shador Sanders was going to be

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Speaker 9: the number one or number two pick, and nobody even knew.

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Speaker 8: Who Tyler Shuck was.

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Speaker 9: He's the kid that gets injured all the time that

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Speaker 9: used to be at Oregon. But then when the scouts

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Speaker 9: got in there and really watched the tape, and then

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Speaker 9: when they met with them, Shuck went like this and

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Speaker 9: Shador went like this.

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Speaker 8: And hand signals are not great for radio.

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Speaker 9: So I will tell everybody that Shuck shot up and

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Speaker 9: Shador Sanders went down.

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Speaker 3: Great to catch up with you, we'll talk soon. Thank you.

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Speaker 8: Oh he sounds great. Thanks Dan.

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Speaker 2: America Analyst, former Cowboys coach and Notre Dame football analyst

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Speaker 2: back on the program. How often would players show up

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Speaker 2: not in shape when you were the head coach of

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys?

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Speaker 10: Not very often.

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Speaker 11: You know, the off season program changed a lot through

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Speaker 11: the years. If you think about twenty eleven, they started

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Speaker 11: short in the off season programs. You know, relative to

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Speaker 11: the days of Jimmy Johnson back in the nineties. You know,

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Speaker 11: we were in that building on March first, and and

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Speaker 11: you're able to lay a great foundation for the off season.

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Speaker 11: You know, we ran and lifted and did all that

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Speaker 11: for two months before we even thought about touching a football.

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Speaker 10: And those days are long gone.

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Speaker 11: And I do think in a lot of ways we

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Speaker 11: miss those days because the foundation that you lay for

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Speaker 11: yourself physically to get ready for sixteen seventeen game NFL

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Speaker 11: season is critical, and I think that's changed a little bit.

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Speaker 11: But I do think guys take care of themselves. I

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Speaker 11: do think guys know what's at stake. What I get

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Speaker 11: a little concerned about is they're not necessarily working out

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Speaker 11: long enough together in the off season in a competitive

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Speaker 11: environment with other NFL players. So the degree to which

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Speaker 11: they're in shape is a little bit of a concern

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Speaker 11: to me, and I think it's not quite as good

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Speaker 11: as it used to be because of the structure of

657
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Speaker 11: the off season.

658
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Speaker 2: Were you with the Cowboys when Jimmy was talking about

659
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Speaker 2: if a player falls asleep in a meeting that it'll

660
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: cut him and I'm paraphrasing, and then somebody said, well,

661
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: what happens if Troy Aikman falls asleep, He goes, well,

662
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: I'd go over there wake him up so he wouldn't

663
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Speaker 2: be So he had different rules for different people.

664
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Speaker 10: Well, that was the real thing.

665
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 11: John Roper was a linebacker we had with the team,

666
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 11: and we signed him during the season and he fell

667
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Speaker 11: asleep in a meeting and Jimmy cuttam And you know,

668
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 11: but prior to that, he'd talked to the team.

669
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Speaker 10: I'll never forget it.

670
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Speaker 11: He stood in front of the team and a team

671
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Speaker 11: meeting and said, hey, guys, you guys don't understand everyone's

672
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 11: on a spectrum here. I don't treat everybody the same.

673
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 11: I don't treat everybody equally. You know, guys who have

674
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 11: been here for a long time and have skins on

675
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 11: the wall and have helped us win championships, they get

676
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Speaker 11: treated differently than a guy who just showed up. Troy

677
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Speaker 11: Acoman gets treated differently than a third string, you know,

678
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 11: guard who's trying to hang on by a string.

679
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Speaker 10: He hasn't done anything yet. And to me, it's the.

680
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Speaker 11: First time I've ever heard a coach ever say something

681
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 11: like that. But it's true, and it's honest. And certainly,

682
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 11: you want to be consistent. You want to have a

683
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 11: standard that you hold everybody too. But someone who has

684
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 11: some history with you and has some pelts on the wall,

685
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 11: I definitely think you'd treat them a little bit differently.

686
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Speaker 11: And Jimmy was honest with us, and I think everybody

687
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 11: understood it.

688
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: And were you there when he came up? The value

689
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: came up with the value system of draft picks, and

690
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: when you were acquiring picks or trading picks like the

691
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Speaker 2: number numerical value to those picks.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I got there in ninety two, the first Super Bowl year,

694
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Speaker 11: and Jimmy had been there. I guess that was his

695
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 11: fourth year, so he showed up in eighty nine. And

696
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 11: that happened prior to me being there. And I think

697
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 11: it was Jimmy and a guy named Mike McCoy who

698
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 11: was one of Jerry Jones's business partners in the oil

699
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 11: and gas business for years, and they're the ones who came.

700
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 10: Up with it together.

701
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Speaker 11: And it's amazing how that became the language and the

702
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 11: currency of draft rooms across the NFL for so long.

703
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Speaker 11: And you know, Jimmy was a really really smart guy.

704
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 11: You know, I never work with him as a coach.

705
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 11: He was he was. I was a player, he was

706
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 11: a coach, so I wasn't priving a lot of the

707
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 11: behind the scenes stuff that goes on. But everyone talks,

708
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 11: you know, Marvel's at how smart he was to be

709
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 11: able to come up with something like that and be

710
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 11: able to translate the evaluation of a player and the

711
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Speaker 11: draft into those terms.

712
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Speaker 2: Talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America, former Cowboys

713
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: head coach, help me understand what Jerry Jones. The message

714
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Speaker 2: that he's sending to Micah Parsons.

715
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Speaker 11: Well, you know, for me in this day and age,

716
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 11: independent of the Cowboys, you know, the salary cap is

717
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 11: going up, and when you have players on your team

718
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 11: that you believe are cornerstone players, you know, my philosophy,

719
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 11: my thought was always let's sign these guys. Now the

720
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 11: price is only getting higher. You know a few years

721
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 11: ago when Kansas City signed Patrick Mahomes so that whatever

722
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 11: it was, a five hundred million dollar contract, Everybody's like,

723
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 11: oh my god, that's ridiculous. You know, it's a bargain.

724
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Speaker 11: It's a bargain. Now, they were ahead of it. They

725
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 11: took a preemptive strike and it seemed aggressive at the time,

726
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 11: but you know, they're getting that guy for what I

727
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 11: would consider below market value. And you know, Jerry has

728
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 11: had a philosophy that he likes to wait on these things,

729
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 11: and unfortunately, when you wait, you know, the price goes up.

730
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 11: Miles Garrett signs, then TJ. Watt signs, and all of

731
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 11: a sudden, Michael Parson says.

732
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Speaker 10: Hey, I should be making that.

733
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Speaker 11: Because my stats are this relative to them and all

734
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 11: of that. So it's just something. It's an approach that

735
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 11: he's taken for years. I was always an advocate of

736
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 11: being ahead of it and making the preemptive strikes, assuming

737
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 11: assuming that you believe in the player, assuming that you

738
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 11: think he is a cornerstone player for you. He represents

739
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 11: everything you want in the organization, and he's extremely productive.

740
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 11: So I gotta believe they want Michael Parsons to be

741
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 11: with them for a long time, and I would think

742
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 11: that it's better to try to get it done sooner

743
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 11: rather than later. Okay, but Dan Olovsky, Ross Tucker, in fact,

744
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 11: Ross Tucker last Hour, feel like Jerry loves the publicity

745
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 11: that he gets with this, that you know this is

746
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 11: this is free advertising for the Cowboys, that Sports Center

747
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 11: is leading with Michael Parsons. That you know he loves that,

748
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 11: and you can almost become addicted to that. I don't

749
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 11: know what role you think that plays in his negotiation game.

750
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 10: Well, he's a master marketer.

751
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 11: I think we all know that, and his impact on

752
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 11: the popularity of the NFL cannot be overstated.

753
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 10: You and I both know his impact on.

754
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 11: TV deals in the nineties, his impact on marketing stadiums,

755
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 11: and that's made a lot of owners, a lot of

756
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 11: coaches a lot of players a hell of a lot

757
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 11: of money for a lot of years, so.

758
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Speaker 10: He certainly gets that part of it.

759
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Speaker 11: I don't think that's the driving motivation, because if it

760
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 11: wasn't Michael Parsons, it would be something else with the Cowboys, right,

761
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 11: ESPN always leads with the Cowboys, you know, whatever the

762
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 11: situation is. So I don't think that's a driving force

763
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 11: necessarily for him. Maybe it's a byproduct of the approach

764
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 11: he's taken, but he typically likes to wait on these things.

765
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Speaker 10: He typically likes.

766
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Speaker 11: The player to come to the owner and sit down

767
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 11: and talk and say, Okay, how do you want to

768
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 11: do this. He doesn't like to talk to agents necessarily

769
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 11: about contracts. He likes to get to the point where

770
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Speaker 11: Zach Martin or Tyron Smith or Zeke Elliott or Des

771
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 11: Bryant they sit down together and they figure it out.

772
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Speaker 11: And that's not to say that the player goes in

773
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 11: there uneducated, but Jerry just likes to have that individual

774
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 11: relationship with the guy, and he's done that forever. He

775
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 11: did it with Dion Sanders and Troy Aikman and Michael

776
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 11: Lervin and all the guys back in the nineties, So

777
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 11: just an approach that he takes. My concern is the

778
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 11: more you wait, the more you pay.

779
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: But he knows that though Jason, he's a brilliant businessman. Yeah,

780
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: and we all say the same thing, it's gonna cost

781
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: you more. He waited for Dak and you know that

782
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: was the first Sunday of the NFL season. Got that

783
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: deal done, So he knows. He's repeated this, he does this.

784
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 2: That's what I just don't understand the logic of I'm

785
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: gonna pay more money. Okay, he's gonna he's gonna sign

786
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons. Right, he's gonna be the highest paid non

787
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL, NFL history, it's gonna happen. He

788
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: was gonna sign Dak Prescott, he was gonna sign c

789
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: d Lamb.

790
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Speaker 9: He.

791
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't understand the logic here a guy,

792
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, who's a billionaire.

793
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 10: Yeah. Maybe he thinks he's going to get a better

794
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 10: deal the more he.

795
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 3: Goes, but he doesn't get a better deal.

796
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, and and and maybe he wants to see more evidence.

797
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 11: You know, I'm just throwing those things out there, but

798
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 11: I think you and I both know that it's probably

799
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 11: better to get these guys signed earlier than later.

800
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: Give me the team that you're curious about this season,

801
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: either good or bad.

802
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 11: I'm curious about Washington. I just think they did a

803
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 11: remarkable job last year. If you think about where that

804
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 11: organization had been for so long, and it started at

805
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 11: the top, It started with their owner, Daniel Snyder. There

806
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 11: were a lot of really good coaches who went through

807
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 11: through there, a lot of really good players who went

808
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 11: through there, and there were just so many obstacles to

809
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 11: their having ultimate success. So Josh Harris comes in there

810
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 11: and cleans the slate, and then he brings Dan Quinn in,

811
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 11: which I thought was a tremendous decision. A guy who

812
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 11: can truly build a culture and get and get a

813
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 11: group of players and coaches and an organization working together

814
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 11: the right way.

815
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 10: Then obviously they get Jayden Daniels.

816
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 11: So you know, the leadership in that organization from top,

817
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 11: from the ownership to the head coach to the quarterback,

818
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 11: I think is really really good. But it's hard to

819
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 11: do what they did, and so you know, everyone always says, hey,

820
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 11: you regress to the mean.

821
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 10: I don't know if you do. I don't know if

822
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 10: you don't. But but I like what they're doing there.

823
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 11: Philadelphia obviously is the best team in that division, of

824
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 11: the best team in the NFL going into this thing.

825
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 10: But I'm just curious to see if they can maintain it.

826
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 11: And I'm betting on them because I really love the

827
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 11: leadership and I like the team they're building.

828
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 2: You know, back to doing it correctly when it comes

829
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: to contracts, men, the Eagles have been ahead of the curve.

830
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: Like they do it, you know, just like you were saying,

831
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: they do it early.

832
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: They don't.

833
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: Howie Roseman does not mess around. He's like, that's our guy.

834
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: We're going to sign him. We're going to sign him.

835
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: And they got bargains with some of these guys.

836
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 10: Yeah. You know, they have been masterful, they really have.

837
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 11: And you know, having played them for years being in

838
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 11: the NFC East, you know, as a player and as

839
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 11: a coach, you know, they've always been tough. They've always

840
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 11: been a really good team. You know, Andy's teams that

841
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 11: he had were phenomenal year after year, and then then

842
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 11: certainly you know recently with a couple of Super Bowls

843
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 11: they've won. But you know, I think maybe more than

844
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 11: anything else, that the most significant factor and all of

845
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 11: that has been Howie Roseman, how they've built the teams.

846
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 11: You know, they're right in their evaluations a lot. You know,

847
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 11: whether they're drafting at the top of the draft, middle

848
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 11: of the draft, and of the draft, whether it's a

849
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 11: free agent signing, they're really really good at the evaluation

850
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 11: of the player. And then, like you said, they're constantly

851
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 11: a ahead of it. They're letting the one guy go,

852
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 11: they got the new guy coming in. They've been right

853
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 11: on the new guy. Think about their defense last year,

854
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 11: the number of young players they had. You have to

855
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 11: be great evaluators to be able to do that, and

856
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 11: they've done it time and time again, and that obviously

857
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 11: contributes to your ability to let guys go and be

858
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 11: healthy under the salary cap, and they've been the best

859
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 11: in the league at it.

860
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: Do you want to play starters in the preseason if

861
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: you're a head coach, I do? I do because I

862
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: wonder about this. Yeah, it just doesn't feel like you're

863
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 2: to your point getting together as a team and being

864
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: able to practice. You know, Belichick would talk about Brady

865
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: talked about they kind of treated the first couple of

866
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: games of the regular season like that was their preseason

867
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, the Bengals always get off to a slow start.

868
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if you change your philosophy and maybe

869
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: you put added importance on the preseason games here, So

870
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: I guess it's coach by coach.

871
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 11: But I'm such a big I'm such a big fan

872
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Speaker 11: of preparing, and you know we've talked about it earlier.

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Speaker 10: With the off season programs.

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Speaker 11: I get a little concern when you have a nine

875
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Speaker 11: week off season program and you're not doing a lot

876
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Speaker 11: of physical training together, and you're doing some real light

877
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Speaker 11: spring practices, and then you get into training camp and

878
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Speaker 11: you have ramp up periods, you don't have a lot

879
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Speaker 11: of padded practices, and you don't play anybody in the preseason,

880
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Speaker 11: and then all of a sudden in week one, you say, okay,

881
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Speaker 11: here we go. And you know, the mentality of the

882
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Speaker 11: players is such that they're elite competitors, and I just

883
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Speaker 11: wonder if they're truly ready to compete at the level

884
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Speaker 11: that they're going to try to in that first week,

885
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Speaker 11: in the first few weeks, if you have if you

886
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 11: hadn't hardened them enough and they haven't calloused enough with

887
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Speaker 11: their training and with them getting ready to play pro football,

888
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Speaker 11: so we always believed in a ramp up period, we

889
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 11: typically play our starters six eight, ten plays in the

890
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Speaker 11: first preseason game.

891
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Speaker 10: Some guys if they had an injury or something, you

892
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Speaker 10: keep them out of it.

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Speaker 11: But the next preseason game, there's a progression. You played

894
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Speaker 11: twelve to fifteen plays, and by the time you get

895
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Speaker 11: to that week one, it's not a completely new experience.

896
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Speaker 11: You've blocked people, you've tackled people, and you're ready to go.

897
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Speaker 11: And like I said, you're hardened a little bit, your

898
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Speaker 11: calloused a little bit, and I think that gives you

899
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Speaker 11: a little more confidence too as you move around there

900
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Speaker 11: and compete and play.

901
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Speaker 2: Topic of conversation yesterday on sports Radio Nick Saban maybe

902
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Speaker 2: going back into coaching and coaching in the NFL. So

903
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Speaker 2: just speculation here, your thoughts on that possibility of going

904
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Speaker 2: back into coaching and going into the NFL.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if you know this, dam but my

907
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 11: first coaching job was with coach Saban. I was a

908
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Speaker 11: quarterback coach in Miami. So I just retired from playing

909
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Speaker 11: with the Dolphins, and two weeks later he gets hired

910
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Speaker 11: and I was his quarterback coach. So I was with

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Speaker 11: him in that NFL experience, and it was an amazing

912
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Speaker 11: experience for me. I learned so much from him and

913
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Speaker 11: I'm eternally grateful for that.

914
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Speaker 10: You know, in the middle of it, I think he

915
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 10: realized that in.

916
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Speaker 11: The NFL you get one first round pick a year,

917
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Speaker 11: and if you go to a place like Alabama, you

918
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Speaker 11: can get ten. And if you get ten one year

919
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 11: and you win a national championship, you're gonna get twelve

920
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 11: the next year.

921
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Speaker 10: And so.

922
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Speaker 11: He believes strongly in being relentless and recruiting and building

923
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Speaker 11: you know, teams, and knowing that at the college level

924
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 11: it can perpetuate itself, where in the NFL, if you

925
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 11: have success, it goes the other way. You pick later,

926
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Speaker 11: you have to pay guys more, all that kind of stuff.

927
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Speaker 11: So I would think I would bet against that. If

928
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Speaker 11: you're asking me, I say, coach Saban does not do that.

929
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Speaker 11: I think he would do well. I believed he was

930
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Speaker 11: going to do well in Miami before he took the

931
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Speaker 11: Alabama job. But you know, miss Terry is a very

932
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Speaker 11: influential person.

933
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Speaker 10: In his life at this point.

934
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Speaker 11: So like he always says, I'm just going to go

935
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Speaker 11: up to the lake, He's probably enjoying his time at

936
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 11: ESPN and enjoying some time at the lake.

937
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Speaker 2: Okay, but were you there when they bring in Dante

938
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Speaker 2: Culpepper and you bring in Drew Brees and the Dolphins

939
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Speaker 2: decided to go with Culpepper and Breeze.

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Speaker 3: I guess physically wasn't he was a question mark? Is

941
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Speaker 3: that accurate?

942
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

943
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Speaker 10: I was the quarterback coach at that time.

944
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Speaker 2: Did you make the decision that you said, let's go

945
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Speaker 2: Culpeper over Breeze.

946
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Speaker 11: Now it's an amazing experience on so many different levels.

947
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Speaker 11: I could write a book about this. You know, Drew

948
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Speaker 11: Brees is is something else. And you know, he was

949
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Speaker 11: an amazing college player, as we all know, and initially

950
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Speaker 11: in San Diego had his struggles, but he started to

951
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Speaker 11: emerge as the guy. And I think we saw that

952
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Speaker 11: and we're excited about it. But you know, we were

953
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Speaker 11: all in on Breeze. And then ultimately there was a

954
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Speaker 11: medical decision that said he's got a seventy five percent

955
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Speaker 11: terre of his rotator cuff and he wants eight million

956
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Speaker 11: dollars guaranteed, and we're not doing it. So it kind

957
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Speaker 11: of became out of our hands. But he was so

958
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Speaker 11: much fun to visit with. I'll never forget we picked

959
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Speaker 11: him up, We went, we took a plane to New Orleans.

960
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Speaker 11: We picked him up, brought him to Miami and just

961
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Speaker 11: had a hell of a time with him. And you know,

962
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Speaker 11: it was one of those things where you have to

963
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Speaker 11: respect the injury, but if you were betting on a

964
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Speaker 11: guy to be able to overcome an injury, he's the

965
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Speaker 11: guy that could do it. And obviously he was able

966
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Speaker 11: to do what. He only threw for eighty thousand yards

967
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Speaker 11: after the surgery, so.

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Speaker 10: He was something else. And there was a good story

969
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Speaker 10: about that.

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Speaker 11: You know, we went to dinner with him and and

971
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Speaker 11: Wayne Heizanga was the owner of the team, and I'll

972
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Speaker 11: never forget it. Uh. You know, Wayne sat next to

973
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Speaker 11: him and his wife at dinner and and I remember

974
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Speaker 11: never forget him saying to me afterwards, you know, I'm

975
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Speaker 11: out of the football evaluation business, but I'll tell you what,

976
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Speaker 11: I'm betting on this guy.

977
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Speaker 10: He's something else.

978
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Speaker 11: And so for him to make that evaluation just based

979
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Speaker 11: on visiting with Drew Brees, uh, tells you a lot

980
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Speaker 11: about both those guys. And then we were there ultimately

981
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Speaker 11: when we signed Dante, and Dante was an amazing player,

982
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Speaker 11: but his movement was such a big part of his game.

983
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Speaker 11: And uh and and after he had the knee injury,

984
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Speaker 11: he really couldn't move and it was harder for him

985
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Speaker 11: to play the way he was capable of playing before.

986
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Speaker 10: So obviously that didn't work out real well for any

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Speaker 10: of us.

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Speaker 3: Great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I always enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's Jason Garrett.