1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young Myrtle Beach 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: coed is twenty three years old, found dead under an overpass, 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: her car still running. What happened to Amber? I'm Nancy Grace. 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: A young South Carolina woman runs errands on her way 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: to work. She stops to pay her cable bill, gets gas, 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: but never makes it to work. 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: She's absolutely stunning and was just days away from graduating 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: from college. What happened to Amber? This is how it 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: all starts. Listen. 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: The Myrtle Beach area of South Carolina gets very busy 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: on the weekends, and at around four thirty pm on 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: a Friday, a call comes into nine one one. The 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: caller says there appears to be an injured person outside 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: of a car on Old Sanders Road under the Robert 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: Edge Parkway overpath in North Myrtle Beach. Officers arrived quickly 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 3: and find the woman lying next to her still running 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: car and no witnesses. The woman has a cell phone 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: inches away from her fingertips that is actively beeping with 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: missed calls, texts, and email messages. 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: With all that evidence, it seems so hard to comprehend. 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: We still don't have Amber answers as to what happened 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: to this gorgeous young co ed. Joining me an all 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now, 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: including Amber's mother, her sister, and her very best friend. 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: I want to go straight out first to Amber's mother, 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: Michelle Robinson, when did you learn that Amber had passed away? 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 4: I and bang bag big? 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 5: I said you go. So I crossed the group and 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 5: a little bit barged away in. He said, uh, we're 31 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 5: investigating homicide Amber Paviilion. I said homicide, but over my head, 32 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 5: I said, Amber, where's she? Where's she? One of us 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 5: said she's been shot. I'm like what? And she grabbed 34 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 5: my arms. She's right? He said no. 35 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 6: I want to fall back and said no, and. 36 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 5: Then asked me questions. I couldn't think straight. I needed 37 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 5: to call my mother. My mom was on her way Pennsylvania, 38 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 5: I said, Mom. The officer took the boat. I couldn't die. 39 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 7: It was a nightmare. 40 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: Since also with miss Robinson is amber sister Amanda. Amanda, 41 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: when did you learn that your sister? She's absolutely beautiful 42 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: and so much ahead of her in life? When did 43 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: you learn that she had been killed. I was at work. 44 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 8: I had gotten a few phone calls throughout the night. 45 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 8: I was waitressing at the time, and it was a 46 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 8: busy Friday night and I didn't answer my phone. So 47 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 8: at the end of my shift, I I finally picked 48 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 8: up my phone and it was my uncle and told 49 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 8: me that she had been shot. And I didn't think 50 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 8: I didn't think it was possible other than you know, 51 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 8: like maybe she was in the hospital. So I was 52 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 8: just like, well, where is she, how is she doing? 53 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 8: And he just said, I'm sorry, honey, she's gone. 54 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: What went through your mind when you heard the phrase, 55 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, honey, she's gone. It was. 56 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 8: Not comprehendible. I just kind of like fell to the ground. 57 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 8: There were still customers in the restaurant. 58 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: And nobody knew what was going on. 59 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 8: And my coworkers just kind of picked me up and 60 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 8: helped me out the back door and you know, trying 61 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 8: to figure out what was happening, and I just, you know, 62 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 8: blurted it out. My sister was shot. She's dead, And 63 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 8: you know, they just helped me pull myself together and 64 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 8: get home and get to my dad. And it's, like 65 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 8: my mother said, it's been a nightmare ever since. 66 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: When you first learned, Amanda that Amber had been shot, 67 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: in your mind, what did you think had happened? 68 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 8: I had no idea. You know, there were so many 69 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 8: different things that could have you know, we're going through 70 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 8: my mind. I just quick got home and you know, 71 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 8: packed my stuff and headed down to South Carolina to 72 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 8: try to figure out out and to make sense of 73 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 8: any funny bit of that. 74 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: Also joining us, in addition to Amber's mother and sister, 75 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: her best friend Karen Ritchie. Karen described for us when 76 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: you learned Amber had been killed. 77 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 6: Someone at the scene recognized Amber and called my manager 78 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 6: at overtime and told him, and they called me in 79 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 6: the office and. 80 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 5: Told me it was unbelievable. 81 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 9: Shot her. And that's what they said in the beginning. 82 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 9: And you know, he spends because some new world to 83 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 9: do something like that. It took me a few minutes 84 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 9: to get together to be able to drive home. And 85 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 9: it's just been unbelievable every since. It's just like one 86 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 9: dad and after another. 87 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: Karen Ritchie is joining us, Amanda Barbilia and Michelle Robinson. 88 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: Let me understand, Karen, when you were first told that 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: Amber had been killed, what did you believe happened in 90 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: your heart of hearts. When I was first told my 91 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: fiance was dead, I thought there had been some horrible 92 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: car crash, some accident, That's what I thought. Then I 93 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: found out he had been shot. And I couldn't even 94 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: imagine a scenario under which that would happen. Neither one 95 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: of us owned a gun, nobody had a gun in 96 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: their home, So how was he shot? But I was 97 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: in such shock, I didn't think it through. When you 98 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: first heard this news that Amber had been shot, what 99 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: did you think happened? And I have a reason for asking, 100 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: go ahead, well. 101 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 6: You know, like something random or possibly a robbery or 102 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 6: something to that effect. I mean, it just didn't make 103 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 6: any sense. She didn't hurt anybody. It didn't make any 104 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 6: sense that anybody would hurt her. She was the most scary, 105 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 6: hearing person. She had such a spirit in an aura. 106 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 6: I just couldn't wrap my head around that anybody would 107 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 6: want to hurt her for any reason. 108 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: Just days away from graduating college, her life cut down, 109 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: found underneath and overpass her car, still running, her fingertips 110 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: near her cell phone, which was buzzing, buzzing off the chart. 111 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: What more do we know? Listen. 112 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 10: First responders find a female victim line outside her still 113 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 10: running car. Injuries to her face are so severe at 114 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 10: first glance it appears she has been shot in the face. 115 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 10: The woman has died before help arrives, and no witnesses 116 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 10: are around to provide any context for what has taken place. 117 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 10: Investigators find the victim's purse inside the car with money 118 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 10: still in it, and rule out robbery as a motive. 119 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 10: They also find the victim's identification, Amber Bbilia, joining us US. 120 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: In addition to Amber Burbilia's family, Michelle Robinson, Amanda Barbilia, 121 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: her sister and best friend, Karen Ritchie. Barry Hutchinson Senior 122 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: now joining US twenty six years in law enforcement, veteran 123 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: detective now chief investigator with Barry and associates. Barry Hutchison, 124 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us well. Immediately, police rule 125 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: out robbery because her purse, her pocketbook is still there, 126 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: her cell phone is still there. There's money in the purse, 127 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: so it's not robbery. We also see that she's outside 128 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: of the car, so it's not a random drive by shooting. 129 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: She's outside the car. What do you think? 130 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 11: I think it was somebody that was that she was 131 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 11: familiar with. I think it was a crime of opportunity. 132 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 11: My first instinct is telling me that it's probably somebody 133 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 11: that had romantic answers in her, but they weren't reciprocated, 134 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 11: and I think it was a crime of passion. 135 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: From that standpoint, what more can we deduce from the scene? Listen? 136 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 12: Hoory County Police Detective Jonathan Martin says, Amber Rebilia's body 137 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 12: is found along Old Sanders Road under the Robert Edge 138 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 12: Parkway overpass. There are no witnesses on scene. Although the 139 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 12: injuries to our face appeared to be gunshold wounds. The 140 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 12: coroner reveals that Amberverbilia wasn't shot as previously thought. She 141 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 12: was beaten to death and cause of death is blum 142 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 12: forced trauma. So when responders first. 143 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: Get there, they believe that Amber has been shot, but 144 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: then they realize she was beaten so badly she appeared 145 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: to have been shot in the face. Also joining us 146 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: a renowned chief medical examiner out of Terran County. That's 147 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: Fort Worth and esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of 148 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU, doctor Kendall Crown's. Doctor crowns thank you 149 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: for being with us. Explain to me in medical terms 150 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: what the that means. 151 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 13: So, sometimes gunshot wounds can be or blunt force injuries 152 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 13: can be confused with gunshow wounds because the natures of 153 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 13: wounds on the head can look like a gunshow wound injury. 154 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 13: You can get these kind of stellate tears or star 155 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 13: shaped tears that can look like entrance wounds from gunshots 156 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 13: but instead are from blunt force injuries, especially if they've 157 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 13: used a weapon or a rock or a hammer, It 158 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 13: can leave these type of stellate wounds or star shaped wounds. 159 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 13: The other thing is is often with blunt force trauma, 160 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 13: there can be so much deformation or damage to the 161 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 13: head that it can look like a gunshow wound, which 162 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 13: also causes a significant trauma to the head as well. 163 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: So you're telling me a person can be beaten so 164 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: badly that it actually resembles a gunshot wound. 165 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 13: Yes, they can be beaten so badly that the destruction 166 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 13: that happens to the head and the skull can have 167 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 13: the appearance of the massive trauma caused a gunshot wound. 168 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Do we know what time of the day or night 169 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: she was attacked? Let me go out to Karen Ritchie 170 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: or Amanda Barbillia. Let me go to you, Amanda. Do 171 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: we know what time of the day or night this occurred. 172 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 8: It was around I think three or four in the afternoon. 173 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: It was broad daylight. My understanding, it was closer to 174 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: four pm in the afternoon. And when you say broad daylight, 175 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: that's very significant because to Barry Hutcheson Senior joining us 176 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: again twenty six years in law enforcement, this person that 177 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: attacked her was so bold and there's no way this 178 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: can be deemed self inflicted because it's not a gunshot wound. 179 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: It's blunt force trauma so severe her skull was fractured. 180 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure I understood the time 181 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: of the attack. This glsen is brazen to commit a 182 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: crime like this. It's not just a drive by shooting. 183 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: Wam bam, you're done. She has to get out of 184 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: the car and then she's beaten, beaten horribly around the 185 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: face to the point she dies, her skull fractured, and 186 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: nobody sees a thing. 187 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 11: Yeah, Nacy, it's just as it makes sense, and to me, 188 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 11: it has all the hallmarks of something to where there's 189 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 11: so much passion involved in the crime itself. So much 190 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 11: pain and injury that was inflicted that to me, it 191 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 11: just really stands out as somebody that knew her and 192 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 11: she was there for a very specific reason. Maybe that 193 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 11: person was following her and she pulled off the road 194 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 11: because she saw them. You know, we don't know. I mean, 195 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 11: the case it's pretty much hush hush with the Horay 196 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 11: County Police. They're not discussing it in any regard whatsoever. 197 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 11: But to me, it has a lot of key indicators 198 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 11: as somebody that she was familiar with. And again, I 199 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 11: think because of all the passion involved in the crime 200 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 11: that it was probably I'm really leaning towards somebody that, 201 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 11: for lack of better words, that she yielded, that wanted 202 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 11: a relationship with her, but she just did not reciprocate. 203 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 11: She was very happy with the person she was with, 204 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 11: had plans on getting married, and I think this was 205 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 11: kind of a confrontation by that person as the last 206 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 11: ditch effort to say, hey, why not me instead of 207 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 11: this guy? And then when she didn't go with it, 208 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 11: I think that passion just overcame that person and the 209 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 11: young lady lost her wife. 210 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 14: Tack, a beautiful young woman found beaten to death lying 211 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 14: next to her running car under a freeway overpass. 212 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: Who could do this? 213 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: Amber Bbilia is originally from New York, but calls South 214 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: Carolina home now. She is a college student at Hoary 215 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: Georgetown Technical College with designs on becoming a costume designer. 216 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: Studying abroad in London for part of her education, She 217 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: meets Jose Tulsar and comes back home in love. After 218 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: two years of dating. Amber and Jose make plans to 219 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: marry weeks after she graduates from college, and that time 220 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 3: is fast approaching. 221 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: That casts some light on the theory. A quote jilted 222 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: lover or boyfriend killed her. If she had been involved 223 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: in that relationship for two years and very happy, it's 224 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: highly unlikely that there was another guy on the side. 225 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: We don't have any information about that. 226 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 8: No, there's no information that there was anybody on the side. 227 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 8: I don't think you know, she would have had anybody, 228 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 8: but she was. She's had a lot of friends, and 229 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 8: it could have been somebody that she had a friendship 230 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 8: with that just really wanted more than that and she 231 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 8: just wouldn't reciprocate. 232 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Now, thinking all of this through, let me figure out, 233 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: can either of you three ladies her mom, her sister 234 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,239 Speaker 1: or best friend, enlightened on her love interest, her relationship, 235 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: her fiance. They were a few weeks away from getting married. 236 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: She was very happy with Jose. 237 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,479 Speaker 8: She was very excited to get married and start her future. 238 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 8: She was moving to London, and I mean she was 239 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 8: just so happy. They were smitten. They were a perfect 240 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 8: fairy tale love story too. 241 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: Michelle Robinson, this is Ambermilia's mom, Michelle. What was she 242 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: doing for a living until she moved back to London. 243 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Where was she working? 244 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 15: She was working in Austria and Growth, which is very 245 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 15: high cross restaurant serving and she was going. 246 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: To school to see done. 247 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 5: Here's the picture me and her mother grandmother went and 248 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: picked up wedding dresses weeks before. 249 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 15: I do not believe it was someone that had passion 250 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 15: for I believe it was a stranger because if they 251 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 15: knew Amber, they would not kill her. She lit up 252 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 15: a room. She was happy that if someone had something 253 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 15: against her, they would have told her that. I don't 254 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 15: think it was someone she knew. 255 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: That's my let's analyze what Michelle Robinson is saying. Join 256 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: me now. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk Alexis, 257 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight. I'm trying to 258 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: analyze what I've just heard. Now. You and I, Alexis, 259 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: have handled a lot of homicide cases together, and one 260 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: thing I've always been puzzled with is that it seems 261 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: sometimes like the very best, the sweetest people end up 262 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: being homicide victim and even at random victims. So while 263 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: I understand what mom is saying, that's not always true. 264 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: Because a person is wonderful and loving and innocent and 265 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: lights up her room, that does not protect them from predators. 266 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: Anothery're saying, elzis terrestrict any light you could shed on this. 267 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Many people, including the mom, Michelle Robinson, believe that this 268 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: was stranger and stranger for a robbery. But think it through. 269 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: And I'm going to go back to you on this, 270 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: Barry Hutchinson Senior, If you want money, you want to 271 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: rob somebody is following a woman in a car in 272 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: broad daylight, dragging her out of the car and beating 273 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: her in the face, then you don't take the pocketbook 274 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: with the money in it. That's that's just like the 275 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: job in a Ramsey case, all right, where somebody said 276 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: when they decide a kidnapper breaks in at Christmas and 277 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: leaves the ransom note for one hundred and eighteen thousand 278 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: dollars and said, oh, hey, you know what I've come 279 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: this far, but never mind, I'm just gonna kill her 280 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: in labor here. That doesn't make sense. So if you're 281 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: going to commit a robbery, why don't you mug somebody 282 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: in a dark alley, Why don't you grab somebody's pocketbook 283 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and the mall parking lot when their bags their arms 284 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: are full of bags, or the grocery or the grocery 285 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: lot or the parking deck outside of target. Why chase 286 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: down a car, get the woman out of the car, 287 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: beat her in the face, fracture her skull. It's a 288 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: vicious beating, okay, to her face. That's full of all 289 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: sorts of psychological implications. And then you don't take the pocketbook, 290 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 1: you don't take the purse or the money. That doesn't 291 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: make sense, alexis what facts can you shed on this? 292 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 14: Well? 293 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 7: Also, there was not a weapon found as as far 294 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 7: as the police have said, at the crime scene, so 295 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 7: we don't know if she was hit with the person's 296 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 7: fist or if they had another weapon. But they did 297 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 7: not take the money, So you think maybe something went wrong, 298 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 7: Maybe she owed somebody money for some reason, they felt 299 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 7: they followed her. They said to get the money back, 300 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 7: but they left the purse. And again it is broad daylight. 301 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 7: While this isn't a heavily trafficked area, as you can 302 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 7: see from the photos, it is still a public location 303 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 7: where she was just found. Literally her car was running, 304 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 7: so she was very surprised when this happened and they left. No, 305 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 7: they didn't take anything. So if she was let's just 306 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 7: say she owed somebody some money, she was going to 307 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 7: meet them with the money. Something happened, she didn't give 308 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 7: it to them. They didn't take the money, they didn't 309 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 7: take anything, and they didn't take her cell phone either. 310 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: Alexis Teraeschak I specifically asked if you could shed light 311 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: on the facts not come up with the wild hypothesis. 312 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: Are you actually saying you have any facts to support 313 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 1: she owed anyone money? You just guessing. 314 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 7: I am just guessing, But I'm saying that she did 315 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 7: owe somebody money, they didn't take it when it was 316 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 7: found in her wallet. 317 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: Sh no facts support that. As a matter of fact, 318 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: facts support the exact opposite. 319 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 3: Listen Amber Vermilia's mother, Michelle, says the murder simply happened 320 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: to the wrong person, saying, quote, Amber was a social butterfly. 321 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: She had friends from school, she had friends from work. 322 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: She put herself through school. Her mother says she was 323 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: looking through some of Amber's bills and papers and finds 324 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: her daughter doesn't owe anything to anybody. All of her 325 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: bills were up to date and she paid off all 326 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: of her student loans. The twenty three year old hid 327 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: in the face twice with a blunt object so hard 328 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 3: that investigators believed she was shot. 329 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: What more do we know about the scene that can 330 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: shed light on her murder? Listen? 331 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 10: Investigation into the murder of Amber Rebilia is difficult. From 332 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 10: the first hours. There are no witnesses to describe hearing 333 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 10: or seeing anything. There was no robbery as her phone, 334 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 10: keys and wallet were left untouched. The keys are still 335 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 10: in the ignition in the car is running, but the 336 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 10: suspect doesn't use the car to get away from the scene. 337 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: It sounds to me like a crime of opportunity. Now, 338 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk, I just attacked you about your claim that 339 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: this young girl about to graduate college heading to London 340 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: to become a costume designer. A few weeks away from 341 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: her wedding to the man of her dreams, they're moving together. 342 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: That she owed somebody money. She even she's one of 343 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: the few in the country along with me, that paid 344 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: off all her student loans. This woman did not owe money. 345 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: What I was expecting you to describe, Alexis Terestchuk is 346 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: video surveillance. What can you tell me about video surveillance 347 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: of Amber just before her death. So, first she seen 348 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: paying her cable bill. That is on video. 349 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 7: The video has not been released by the police. After that, 350 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 7: she goes to the gas station. That video has been released. 351 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 7: She's wearing black pants, leperprint shirt. She has cute little 352 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 7: glasses on. Then so the police took the video. They 353 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 7: went all up and down this highway and they found 354 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 7: video of her car and in it she's by herself. 355 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 7: She's driving her car. She turns a corner, they lose 356 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 7: sight of her for about half an hour. Half an 357 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 7: hour later, her car comes background. She is driving. There 358 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 7: appears to be a passenger in the seat from the video. 359 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: What has been. 360 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 7: Described is that this passenger appeared to be a dark 361 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 7: person and it may have been a black man in the 362 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 7: car with her. 363 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: This is what was. 364 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 7: Seen, and then we don't see them again, and mere 365 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 7: minutes later, within within an hour or so, she is 366 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 7: murdered on the side of the road. But there is 367 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 7: no evidence of this person at the crime scene that 368 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 7: we have seen. 369 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something like this stress chuck off 370 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: video cam? Okay, what kind of video was it? Was 371 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: it a store? Was it a red light? Do we 372 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: know what kind of video cam it was? 373 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 7: We do not know what kind of I think it was, 374 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 7: like said, they searched on the highway, so it might 375 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 7: might have been one of the interstate video cameras. 376 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay. It sees her turn off the roadway 377 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: onto a side street. She's alone. When she comes back 378 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: onto the roadway from that side street, there is we 379 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: believe to be a mail in the car with her 380 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: in the front seat. 381 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 7: Correct, correct, He appears to be a blackmail from the video. 382 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: Amanda, what have you been told about the video? 383 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 8: Exactly what she just said, just that they have video 384 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 8: of her on the street stopping to pay her cable bill, 385 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 8: and then she goes goes onto a side street and 386 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 8: comes back, but I don't know, and that there was 387 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 8: somebody in the car with her when she comes back 388 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 8: onto the highway, But I didn't. I don't know what 389 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 8: street or the area. 390 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 4: I don't. 391 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 8: I'm not familiar with the area. 392 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: We understand that the cameras were those installed along the roadway. 393 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Alexis Treestchik, you're right about that, Michelle Robinson, Amber's mom. 394 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Were you ever told what is down the street or 395 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: did you investigate what was down the street why she 396 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: went there? 397 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 5: Yes? 398 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 15: And I saw that video and to me, it was 399 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 15: a shadow. It was not a person. I went to 400 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 15: the police station and it did not appear to be 401 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 15: a black person or anybody. It's just a shadow, maybe 402 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 15: not even not even visible to being on They're saying 403 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 15: that it was a black person. Maybe to me it 404 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 15: looked like just a shadow, no clear indication of a person. 405 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Is law enforcement telling you they believe it's a person, yes, okay, 406 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: so they believe it's a person. You believe it's a shadow? Correct? 407 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 5: Yes? 408 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: And how quickly after seeing what they believe is a 409 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: person in the car with her? Is she killed with 410 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: any damp hower? What do we know about defensive wounds? Listen? 411 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 3: The mother of Amber Burbilia, Michelle Robinson says her daughter 412 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: was hit with something in the head twice, causing two 413 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: skull fractures. She also says Amber did not go down 414 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: without a fight. According to Robinson, the funeral home suggests 415 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 3: putting on a long sleeve dress for visitation to cover 416 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: up the bruises and cuts on her arms. According to 417 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: her mother, Amber Burbilia put up a good fight too. 418 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns joining us out off Fort Worth, Texas. 419 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, I want to understand something we earlier heard 420 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: that we've learned she had a skull fracture two. In fact, 421 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: could a skull fracture result from a blow from a 422 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: fist or would it have to be a blunt object? 423 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 13: So your skull can fracture from a punch, depending on 424 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 13: how much force is put behind the punch where you're 425 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 13: hitting your face, the skull, the bones of the skull 426 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 13: in these areas are easily fractured. But from a punch 427 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 13: you can break the nose, you can break the orbital rims. 428 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 13: But the type of injuries that are being described to 429 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 13: me sounds more like a heavy blunt object like a 430 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 13: pipe or a hammer, because you're not going to see 431 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 13: the extensive injuries that look like a gunshot wound unless 432 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 13: it's something that you can put a lot of force 433 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 13: behind causing major fractures of the skull. 434 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: This is where I'm going, Doctor Kennel Crown's, and I 435 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: want to follow up with you about how how many 436 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: veins have venous the face is that would produce a 437 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: lot of bleeding to resemble a gunshot wound. But we're 438 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: talking about potential fractures. We're talking about whether a weapon 439 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: was used. She was off camera, Doctor Kendall Crowns for 440 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: about thirty minutes. The highway cam, what we've learned was 441 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: a highway cam sees her going down the highway. The roadway, 442 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: she turns off into the side street, Doctor Kendall Crowns. 443 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: She's not seen for thirty minutes. When she comes back 444 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: on camera, Doctor Crowns, according to law enforcement, there is 445 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: a male sitting in her front seat. Within an hour, 446 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: she's dead. I'm trying to figure out was a weapon 447 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: used and if so, what weapon. It seems to me 448 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: that's the guy we need to be looking for now, 449 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Kindall. Crown's. Two fractures to the skull. If the 450 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: fractures can a skull fracture be to the front of 451 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: the face. Who doesn't have to be saved from the 452 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: eyebrows back? What would the nose, the mouth, the cheeks, 453 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: Would that be the skull? Is that considered the skull. 454 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 13: So yeah, again the skull can be any portion of 455 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 13: this could be a skull fracture, So facial skull here, nose, cheek, 456 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 13: side ahead where your ear would be can also be 457 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 13: considered a skull fracture. So any of that can be 458 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 13: considered a skull fracture. 459 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: In a description, okay, doctor Kennel crowns, it looked like 460 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: a gunshot wound. Was that bad? Would there be more 461 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: bleeding if the attack was to the veinous area in 462 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: the mouth and the nose, in the eyes they bleed 463 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: so profusely. 464 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 13: So your head actually has a lot of vascularity to it, 465 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 13: your nose, your face, even your scalp has a tremendous 466 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 13: amount of vasculature. So anytime there's injuries to the facial 467 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 13: or head area, there is always going to be a 468 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 13: lot of bleeding. It doesn't care, it doesn't matter what 469 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 13: exactly the area is. It just if it's part of 470 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 13: the head, it'll bleed quite profusely. 471 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 12: Hory County Police Detective Jonathan Martin says Amber Babilia's body 472 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 12: is found along Old Sanders Road under the Robert Edge 473 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 12: Parkway overpass. There are no witnesses onseen. Although the injuries 474 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 12: to her face appeared to be gunshot wounds, the coroner 475 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 12: reveals that Amber Verbilia wasn't shot as previously thought. She 476 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 12: was beaten to death and cause of death is blom 477 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 12: Force trauma. 478 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 10: First responders find a female victim laying outside her still 479 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 10: running car. Injuries to her face are so severe at 480 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 10: first glance it appears she has been shot in the face. 481 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 10: The woman has died before help arrives, and no witnesses 482 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 10: are around to provide any context for what has taken place. 483 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 10: Investigators find the victims perse inside the car with money 484 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 10: still in it, and rule out robbery as a motive. 485 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 10: They also find the victim's identification, Amber Barbilia. 486 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: Hey mom, I just wanted to call and tell you 487 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: I love you. Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar 488 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: is sweet, and so are you. 489 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: I love you. Good night. 490 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: A mother cherishes the last voicemail from her daughter. 491 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: Alexis Teresschuk if l E Law enforcement is correct, that 492 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: could very well be her killer caught on video. So 493 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn more about that, Alexis what's the 494 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: car fully processed for DNA and fingerprints. 495 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 7: The police have said that they've investigated all of it. 496 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 7: They have never released a suspects name. They have never 497 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 7: released any information saying they're looking for a suspect they 498 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 7: and even if so, they could run this through if 499 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 7: there was DNA anywhere found, they could run it through 500 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 7: one of the genealogy sites and maybe get a match 501 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 7: on somebody else, but they have never released any information 502 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 7: about that. 503 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: Back to doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm still on the Skillfrichur, 504 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: And the reason I'm asking doctor Crowns is I'm trying 505 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: to determine if you or someone like you, another medical 506 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: examiner would be able to tell if she was beaten 507 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: with Let's just say, was she pistol whipped? Was she 508 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: attacked with a pipe? If we could figure out from 509 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: her injuries, what was the murder weapon, what was the 510 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: type of murder weapon? A hammer? For peace sake, like 511 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: doctor Teresa sever you can look at the wounds sometimes 512 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: and you can determine what type of weapon was used 513 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: isn't that true? 514 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 13: That's correct. So with blood force injuries, there can be 515 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 13: patterns that are left by the weapon. Pipes can leave 516 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 13: like what we call tram track bruisings where you see 517 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 13: bruising on either side of the wound. Hammers actually leave 518 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 13: kind of circular or kind of almost Mercedes Bin type 519 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 13: symbol of alesions as well. That can be mistaken for 520 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 13: gunshot wounds. It just depends what the object is, but 521 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 13: it will. It can leave pattern injury, but a fist 522 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 13: doesn't usually, but other objects can. So you can't get 523 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 13: kind of an impression of it based on what the 524 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 13: wounds look like. 525 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: If this was not to the nose or the face 526 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: facial area and it left skull fractures, this was not 527 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: done with a fist, that tells me the person that 528 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: got in her car, the man in her car had 529 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: some sort of a weapon. Was it a pipe, Was 530 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: it a hammer? Was it a gun used to pistol 531 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: whip her? I don't know, but I do believe. Barry 532 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: Hutchinson Senior joining me, Private Eye, chief investigator for Burying 533 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: Associates Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri. Barry, we say 534 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: that you know statistics teach us you look first at 535 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: those closest to her, and that would be the fiance. 536 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: It's not the fiance. I've already investigated it myself. He's 537 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: ruled out. He has a rock solid alibi. He was 538 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: in Europe at the time, No question, it's not him. 539 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: But I'm very interested in your theory about a romantic 540 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: interest she worked as her mom just told us at 541 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: a very high end restaurant. Who was watching her, who 542 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: was sitting at the bar, watching her every move? Who 543 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: could have been obsessed with her? Because, Barry, I'm very 544 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: torn right now. Did she give some random guy a 545 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: ride and he attacked her? Because nobody can identify who 546 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: this person is, or is it someone that had been 547 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: watching her and she agreed to give him a ride. 548 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: The fact that we know it's not a robbery, we 549 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: know it's not a sex assault, we know that it's 550 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: in broad daylight. So who would have been so bold 551 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: to attack this beautiful young co ed just a couple 552 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: of weeks away from her wedding. I really want to 553 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts, Barry. 554 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 11: The police had the ability they know a timeline of 555 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 11: her disappearing for thirty minutes or so. You know, there 556 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 11: are elements that they can use to investigate too, like 557 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 11: her vehicle. I don't know if her vehicle was equipped 558 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 11: with on Star. I don't know if she had her 559 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 11: cell phone with her. I'm assuming she did. I think 560 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 11: in the earlier conversation you said that she had her 561 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 11: cell phone with her. 562 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: Yes, she did. 563 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 11: That phone can also be pinged and they could find 564 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 11: out where she was in that immediate area that she 565 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 11: went missing for those thirty minutes. And then at that point, 566 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 11: what I would do, it's just good old fashioned police work. 567 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 11: I would canvass that area door to door, find out 568 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 11: anybody and everybody in that area that has a criminal record, 569 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 11: anybody that could match, you know, theoretically the type of 570 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 11: crime that was committed, if they have a history of that. 571 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 11: Look for people that just got out of the penitentiary, 572 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 11: Look for people to have that kind of a vicious 573 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 11: background or violent background, and see if I could come 574 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 11: up with a list of viable subjects that could be 575 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 11: possible suspects. It just does not make sense to me 576 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 11: that a young lady like this would get out of 577 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 11: her vehicle and have a confrontation with somebody in a 578 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 11: remote area where she's not safe and not know that person. 579 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 11: It just does not add up to me at all. 580 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 11: I think that again, I'm going to stick with my 581 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 11: idea that it's somebody that she's familiar with, and I 582 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 11: think that it's somebody that probably had an interest in 583 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 11: her that she just did not reciprocate because she was 584 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 11: very happy with whom she was with. 585 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: Amber Rebilia is originally from New York but calls South 586 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: Carolina home now. She is a college student at Horay 587 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 3: Georgetown Technical College with designs on becoming a costume designer. 588 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 3: Studying abroad in London for part of her education, she 589 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 3: meets Jose Tulsar and comes back home in love. After 590 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: two years of dating. Amber and Jose make plans to 591 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 3: marry weeks after she graduates from college, and that time 592 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 3: is fast approaching. 593 00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: Years later and still no suspects. Her family deserves closure. 594 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 2: What happened to Amber Berbilia? 595 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: When you don't know where to go, you start over 596 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: and you look at who is your victim? Listen? 597 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 3: Amber Burbilia is originally from New York, but calls South 598 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 3: Carolina home now. She is a college student at Hora 599 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 3: Georgetown Technical College with designs on becoming a costume designer 600 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 3: studying abroad in London for part of her education. She 601 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: meets Jose Tulsar and comes back home in love. After 602 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 3: two years of dating, Amber and Jose make plans to 603 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 3: marry weeks after she graduates from college, and that time 604 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 3: is fast approaching. 605 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: What more do we know? Listen? 606 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 10: At age twenty three, Amber Burbilia doesn't live at home, 607 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 10: but talks to her mother daily. When one of her 608 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 10: calls to her mother isn't answered, Amber leaves a message 609 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 10: for her mother. Roses are red, violets are blue, Sugar 610 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 10: is sweet, and so are you. I love you good night. 611 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Roses are red violence or blue, sugar 612 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: is sweet and so are you. I love you, good night, 613 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: a message she leaves her mom and joining me right 614 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: now is Amber's mother, Michelle Robinson. Miss Robinson. I almost 615 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: hated to say those words back, because I know it's 616 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: like a knife to your heart to hear that rhyme, 617 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: that message she left to you, that little poem. But 618 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the facts. We keep 619 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: saying she went to go pay a cable bill, but 620 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: there is something very probative about her paying the cable bill. 621 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: Have you been informed about the video from inside the 622 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: Time Warner Cable office where she paid her bill, that 623 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: while she's in there, there is a man standing behind 624 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: her staring at her, and it's been described as in 625 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: an aggressive manner. But it's my understanding, Miss Robinson that 626 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: the guy, for all I know he's angry about having 627 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: to wait in line, has been investigated thoroughly and he 628 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: has been cleared. Correct. That's what I was still to 629 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: Karen Ritchie joining us, Amber's best friend, and to her sister, 630 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: Amanda Rebelia. Amanda, was there anything else happening in her 631 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: life that she seemed disturbed about or worried about that 632 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: you know? 633 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 11: Of No, not at all. 634 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 8: I just a couple of weeks before she was killed, 635 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 8: she came to visit me for Easter. I had to 636 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 8: I had some things I had to take care of, 637 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 8: so she had come to take care of my daughters 638 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 8: while I was away. And then when I came home, 639 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 8: you know, we spent Easter Sunday together before she went 640 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 8: back home. 641 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 15: And you know, she didn't mention at all anything. 642 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: Nothing at all. Would she have told you she was 643 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: worried about someone or something. Yeah, we were pretty close. 644 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 8: She used to call me all the time, but she 645 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 8: would have made me aware if there was something bothering her. 646 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk crimeonline dot com. Where does the case stand 647 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: right now? 648 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 7: The case is still open. There have been no suspects 649 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 7: released to the public. There has been nobody arrested for it. 650 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: Nothing. 651 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 7: The police have not given any leads as to what 652 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,439 Speaker 7: anybody should look for. They have not said anything. They've 653 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 7: never identified publicly a murder weapon at all. So this 654 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 7: is a case that is still very open and still 655 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 7: all of the evidence has not been released, and they're 656 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 7: still looking for the murderers or murderer. 657 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: To ease their broken hearts, Amber's family erected a memorial photos, mementos, 658 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: flowers underneath the freeway overpass where she lost her life. 659 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: They've also set up a website with information about her murder. 660 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: Justice for Amber dot org. Repeat Justice for Amber dot org. 661 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: If you know or even think you know anything about 662 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: the murder of this beautiful young co ed, please call 663 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: toll free eight eight eight crime s c eight eight 664 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: eight two seven four sixty three seven two eight eight 665 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: eight two seven four sixty three seven two. There is 666 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: a six thousand dollars reward for information leading to the 667 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: discovery of the facts behind the murder of Amber Rebelia. 668 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: We wait as justice on false. Goodbye man 669 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 6: Ey