WEBVTT - Trululu with Sarah Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in.

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<v Speaker 1>Crum a dub dumb sultry.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a very special fun guest coming in today. Who.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've had her on the pod before.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a repeat scrubbing in guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we'll welcome her an any day.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime she wants to scrub in. We open the O

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<v Speaker 2>our door.

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<v Speaker 1>We always are O. Our doors are open to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Drew.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Drew. You know her as April Kepner on Grey's Anatomy.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a writer, she's a producer. She really does

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<v Speaker 2>it all.

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<v Speaker 1>She does do it all.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't be more excited to have her here with

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<v Speaker 2>us today. So please everyone welcome Sarah Drew. Everyone's always like,

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<v Speaker 2>do I clop for myself? I just feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a celebratory person in general, So why not?

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<v Speaker 2>We were just actually I was we were just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know if we've discussed this, but

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like what we know about you, you're like

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<v Speaker 2>a Tanya. You're Tanya in.

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<v Speaker 1>Every way. Oh yeah, that's fun. Yeah? Are you sensitive?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you a great friend, I hope. So are

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<v Speaker 1>you happy, go lucky? Yes, positive, super, yes, your Tanya?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>What else?

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<v Speaker 2>What else? No? No, I don't are you? Are you territorial?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually not possessive or territorial. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>also like I am. I'm positive in that I am

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<v Speaker 3>constantly on the hunt for the good, even if there's

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<v Speaker 3>something painful that's going on. There's just like I know

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<v Speaker 3>there's going to be a nugget of gold in here,

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<v Speaker 3>so I got to find it. But it doesn't ignore

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<v Speaker 3>I don't ignore the like the reality of the heart

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<v Speaker 3>and the pain. I think I I and I parent

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<v Speaker 3>that way too, because my parents, my kids experience pain

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, you know, and so you can either

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<v Speaker 3>try to protect them for it or you can help

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<v Speaker 3>them sort of grow through it and find the goodness

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<v Speaker 3>in the midst of it. So she's more true Lulu,

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<v Speaker 3>not de Lulu.

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<v Speaker 2>She feels more she feels like a Tanya beca hybrid.

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<v Speaker 1>On the spot, which is a really nice place to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good balance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I was first of all, we're so excited

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<v Speaker 2>to have you back. We love you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a long time since you've been on the pod.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I wasn't on. I think the last time

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<v Speaker 3>I was on was twenty eighteen because I was there

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<v Speaker 3>with Justin Bruening demoting that our movie Indivisible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I think you guys didn't we do a zoom

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<v Speaker 2>thing where we introed that that movie or show that

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<v Speaker 2>you were you were in and everyone was like coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and we did the interviews and the intro yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, and we.

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<v Speaker 3>Were in the it was pandemic, like a part of

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<v Speaker 3>Pandemic and I zoom.

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<v Speaker 1>That must have been a long time soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I had to go into a little room and

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<v Speaker 3>even though you were there, right, that was such a

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<v Speaker 3>fun event.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, it did such a great job considering the

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so magical all of us on our balconies

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<v Speaker 3>watching the show. All the rooms were decked out in

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<v Speaker 3>nineties paraphernalia.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably very expensive for them, but we did appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw each other in Chicago, yes, yes, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we ran out of time. We were supposed to do

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<v Speaker 1>the pod. I was supposed to do the pod in

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago at Epicons. But backing up a little bit to

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<v Speaker 1>the night before, that this is my favorite thing ever.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did a pod swap with Camilla and Jessica.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did a call it scrubbing in crossover. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's so fun, so cute, right, so cute, And we've

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<v Speaker 1>had Camilla on the podcast a few times. So we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, old fast friends. And it was late, like

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing it at like five o'clock or something,

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<v Speaker 1>five or six.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had just fawn in. They were like, we

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<v Speaker 2>have some dinner with friends, ate dinner with friends later.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were like, oh, wow, okay, thinking like they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to invite us to dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think that, by the way, I have, I

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<v Speaker 2>have realistic expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>And Delulu comes in, Yes, I was like waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>them to invite us to dinner with everybody?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you mean truth and delusional?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah by Lulu and yeah yeah, yeah, I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to now I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was waiting for the invite.

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<v Speaker 1>The invite didn't come, and then we saw later that

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<v Speaker 1>night that you were at the dinner and like Jake BURRELLI,

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<v Speaker 1>who we also love, and I was like, we totally

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<v Speaker 1>could have fit in on this dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>You could have you could have I know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I thought too, Thank you. I hadn't seen

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<v Speaker 1>seen everybody in a long time years, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have a little like one time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to have it kind of like in the family,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. You're always welcome, not to

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<v Speaker 3>exclude you, but just we were. We'd been looking for

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<v Speaker 3>to just getting that time to be together for a

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<v Speaker 3>long time. I hadn't seen I hadn't seen any of

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<v Speaker 3>them for years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy because in my mind, like, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sound probably crazy to you, but it's like in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind when you're watching like old episodes of Grey's Anatomy,

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like you guys see each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you just assume we're all doing life together constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so wild.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was listening to your podcast that you did

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<v Speaker 2>for Call It What It Is, and you were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how the when you and Jessica Capshaw left Arizona

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<v Speaker 2>and April it felt very abrupt, and I've always wondered

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<v Speaker 2>because I was so devastated, And if I'm being completely honest,

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<v Speaker 2>that is kind of when I feel like the show

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<v Speaker 2>for me lost this sparkle, sparkle. I'm seriously and i'd watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it, so she speaks for a lot of us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do feel like there was a moment when

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<v Speaker 2>that happened and I was like, I think the fans

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<v Speaker 2>were going, where did this come from? This happened out

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere, And then hearing that it was the same

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<v Speaker 2>for y'all made me feel really defensive and angry because

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, they didn't even know that it

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<v Speaker 2>was coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, but I mean that's not news though. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we both posted about it right when it

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<v Speaker 3>first happened, just like, wow, this is new information. I

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<v Speaker 3>remember posting right like the day after saying I'm I'm sad.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're sad too. I've been with this information

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<v Speaker 3>for forty eight hours and here we go. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>keep showing up with a whole heart for the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of my time here. And her story's not done yet.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think whenever anybody leaves any of these beloved shows,

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<v Speaker 3>it feels really abrupt, because you know, you get attached

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<v Speaker 3>to characters. Of course, the audience gets attached. We get

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<v Speaker 3>attached playing the characters, so yeah, it is a it's

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<v Speaker 3>always abrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>Well did it feel I liked hearing you say that

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<v Speaker 2>you felt at peace, though, like there was something about

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<v Speaker 2>that that I was like, wow that. I just feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that's a testament to who you are as a

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<v Speaker 2>person though, because I feel like you don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know you own a deep level, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you're the type who doesn't hold grudges. You're kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a time in my life and it led

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<v Speaker 2>me to this place of doing what I'm doing now,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a stepping stone, but absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a season of my life and I think

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<v Speaker 3>I learned so many amazing lessons while doing the show,

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<v Speaker 3>and also in the wake of being let go, I

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<v Speaker 3>grew as a person. I grew in resilience, I grew

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<v Speaker 3>in my sense of purpose and my sense of things

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<v Speaker 3>happening for a reason, you know that way. And also,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the thing I said on the other podcast too,

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<v Speaker 3>is I just felt so unbelievably loved and cared for

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of all of it happening. I was

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<v Speaker 3>so overwhelmed by the love the fans showed and the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the cast and the crew and just it

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<v Speaker 3>was this outpouring of love that was so incredible. You

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<v Speaker 3>could reach out and touch it. It was it was bananas,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and I'll never I'll never be sad that

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<v Speaker 3>that happened, because it was such a glorious moment in

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<v Speaker 3>the midst of something that was hard.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, were you at a point of being on

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<v Speaker 2>the show where you saw an end like that you

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<v Speaker 2>would choose to leave? Was there any of that leading

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<v Speaker 2>up again? Yea, I would have.

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<v Speaker 3>Really No, I don't think I would have. But I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's amazing how life works in funny ways,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think what the next chapter of my career

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<v Speaker 3>was sort of it was almost like it was waiting

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<v Speaker 3>for me, my next chapter, and I didn't see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that that's what was supposed to happen next.

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<v Speaker 3>But then getting to step into it and go, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I've gained a voice while being on this show. I

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<v Speaker 3>know I know how to advocate from my character in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of ways. I learned how story, when story works,

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<v Speaker 3>when story can be elevated. You know, there's all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of things I learned just being there day in and

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<v Speaker 3>day out that I wouldn't have necessarily gone, oh I

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<v Speaker 3>should be a writer next, or oh I should be

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<v Speaker 3>at or oh I should I should produce next, but

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<v Speaker 3>then getting the opportunity to then go out into the

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<v Speaker 3>world and kind of go, well, what is next. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I'll try this, maybe I'll try that. And now I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm really living into my purpose in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that feels really exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like because I think you you obviously understand,

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<v Speaker 1>like obviously when we were Epicon, you see like the

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<v Speaker 1>Gree's anatomy, uh Zeitgeist's multiverse, multiverse that that is out

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<v Speaker 1>there and the fans. I feel like, and when we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking to Jessica, she said, like, there's more to

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<v Speaker 1>the story of me leaving, but I'm not ready to

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<v Speaker 1>like share that story yet. And I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much in there that like we don't know, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like there's so much that

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<v Speaker 1>went on that we're like kind of always left wondering.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm feeling like one day there's gonna be there

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<v Speaker 1>has to be some sort of like docu series tell

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<v Speaker 1>like people share, but like I really do like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like there's going to maybe it's in ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's in twenty years. I feel like that's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you ever participate?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you'll have to ask me in ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's always more to every story than what

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<v Speaker 3>gets out into the world. And there are things that

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<v Speaker 3>I that I will always hold on to that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have any interest in talking about. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not useful to either the audience or to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I I, I guess that's probably all I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, you know. But the thing that's useful, and like

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<v Speaker 1>what I find to be very interesting about this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is women in the industry, right, you know, like how

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<v Speaker 1>much we have to advocate for ourselves, where that fine

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<v Speaker 1>line is of standing up for yourself and advocating versus

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<v Speaker 1>being grateful for your job and your position, and how

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<v Speaker 1>much to speak up and what you know, like as women,

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<v Speaker 1>if we assert ourselves you were a bitch or were this,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're that and so so it's like finding this

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<v Speaker 1>fine line. And so I do feel like there is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of purpose in sharing like our stories when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to that type of stuff, which I do

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<v Speaker 1>feel like happens a lot in the entertainment industry.

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<v Speaker 3>It is hard being a woman in a leadership position anywhere. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I had one of my best friends is has a

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<v Speaker 3>really kind of high up position in a very very

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<v Speaker 3>all boys club kind of work place, and she's had

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of come up with a very specific way

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<v Speaker 3>of confronting someone when they're not doing their job where

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<v Speaker 3>she has to look them in the eye and not smile.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's a very warm, bubbly, smiley, loving kind person,

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<v Speaker 3>but she has to kind of go step by step

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<v Speaker 3>by step to say what needs to be said to

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<v Speaker 3>establish I'm in charge here, you are not doing your job.

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<v Speaker 3>And still there are peope, there are men that don't

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<v Speaker 3>like when she confronts them, right because they're like, why

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<v Speaker 3>do you Why weren't you warned to me? Why weren't

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<v Speaker 3>you smiling to me? Why weren't you Like you're you're

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<v Speaker 3>a horrible person. Like if you had been not doing

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<v Speaker 3>your job and a man had been in charge, this

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<v Speaker 3>whole scene would have gone very very differently and you

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<v Speaker 3>would not be complaining about it. You know. It is

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<v Speaker 3>a very very strange line to walk and a thing

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<v Speaker 3>that we're thinking about all the time. I find myself

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<v Speaker 3>in emails saying, so you know, what I was thinking

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<v Speaker 3>is maybe if if you don't mind it, they are

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<v Speaker 3>all these extra caveats I put into emails to make

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<v Speaker 3>people feel like I'm not mad at them or I

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<v Speaker 3>want them to tel comfortable. But I still have to

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<v Speaker 3>get at what I do, and then I have to

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<v Speaker 3>go back and edit my emails to be very clear

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<v Speaker 3>about what the expectations are while still being respectful and

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<v Speaker 3>making people feel valued and appreciated for what they bring

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<v Speaker 3>to the table. But it is it is a tightrope

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<v Speaker 3>walk all the time. Yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Wondering on that podcast you were saying, how that how

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<v Speaker 2>you would I think they're saying you and Sondra was

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<v Speaker 2>it that had an opinion on how something was written,

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<v Speaker 2>or like my character wouldn't do that and you were inspired?

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<v Speaker 2>I know you were saying that about Sandra. Oh, like

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<v Speaker 2>how you were very inspired by her doing that. How

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<v Speaker 2>far into being on the show did you have feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you had a voice to speak up for what

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<v Speaker 2>the storyline was.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't, So I didn't really start using my voice

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<v Speaker 3>until they wrote into my character that my character was

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<v Speaker 3>a Christian because I have a lot of experience with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up in the church, my dad is a pastor,

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<v Speaker 3>I am a person of faith, and so I had

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<v Speaker 3>actually a lot of insight into that world and I

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<v Speaker 3>and I remember when they first decided that my character

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<v Speaker 3>was going to be somebody who loved Jesus, they welcomed me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember having a conversation with Shanda where she said, look,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that world really really well, and I'm interested

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<v Speaker 3>in telling a very real, engrounded story about a person

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<v Speaker 3>of faith, So pitch stories to me and if anything

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't feel right, you come in and let us know.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was really that door opening. And then and

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<v Speaker 3>then also the example of watching Sandra advocate for her

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<v Speaker 3>character with such respect and collaboration with the writers and

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<v Speaker 3>their relationship was so good and so beautiful, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was a beautiful thing to witness, so so kind of

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<v Speaker 3>seeing how she did it and then being given the

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<v Speaker 3>open door and to come, please come tell us how

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<v Speaker 3>you feel about this allowed me to really participate in

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<v Speaker 3>the journey that April took, specifically in the faith journey.

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<v Speaker 1>You I'm gonna say you, I'm not going to say they,

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<v Speaker 1>because like you did such an amazing job of like

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<v Speaker 1>taking a character that came off at first so annoying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and made her so lovable. Really, Like when

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<v Speaker 1>I first met April, I was like, oh no, make

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<v Speaker 1>her going and make her I need her gone. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I fell so in love with you. You became one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite and that's hard to do. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of grays Now and me, the only

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<v Speaker 1>other character that did that for me was Addison. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so interesting because for me, that just

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<v Speaker 1>feels like being human, you know, because it's so easy

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<v Speaker 1>to have a snap judgment about someone right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 1>about I don't like that person's energy or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when you start to crack away at the surface

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<v Speaker 1>and the vulnerability comes out, and you see the pain

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<v Speaker 1>that that person has brought to the situation that's maybe

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<v Speaker 1>created that sort of an energy, and then you see

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<v Speaker 1>that person fight against hardships and you see her rise

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<v Speaker 1>to the occasion and become heroic.

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<v Speaker 3>In the midst of she had some bullying happened to her,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like the other doctors also found her quite

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<v Speaker 3>annoying for many years. Yeah, So watching her kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just relentlessly try to do the right thing, even if

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<v Speaker 3>she failed, even if she was messy, she still like

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<v Speaker 3>had this heart of wanting to be good and wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to show kindness and wanting to do good in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think you just can't help but love someone

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<v Speaker 3>when they begin to crack open, no matter where they're

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<v Speaker 3>coming from, no matter what you know, side of the

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<v Speaker 3>aisle they're on. As soon as you someone becomes human.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that was what was so fun about

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<v Speaker 3>April's that over the course of my nine years playing her,

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<v Speaker 3>she just became more and more and more human. There

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<v Speaker 3>were just so many more colors that I got to play,

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<v Speaker 3>like six different versions of the same person, which felt

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<v Speaker 3>very much like really growing in adulthood. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>do change a lot as a person in your twenties

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<v Speaker 3>and thirties, you change a lot. So really getting to

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<v Speaker 3>live into that and breathe into that was such a privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just saw this is very recently in my

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok algorithm, Thank you very much, someone was showing their husband.

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<v Speaker 1>They were watching grays at me from the beginning, like

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<v Speaker 1>they were showing their husband for the first time, and

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<v Speaker 1>there were it was the episode where you get married.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I saw that to you, Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>it was the cutest. When Jackson stands up and she

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<v Speaker 3>was like she could not hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, better wait and that's it so good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so so goodd I love do you go

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<v Speaker 1>in there and like, do you ever want to like

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<v Speaker 1>stitches it stitch what do these people do with these people?

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<v Speaker 3>And like that would be somebody used to show me

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<v Speaker 3>how to do that. I have a TikTok, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>never on it, and I think that would be really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But like people don't react like that anymore to television.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel, yeah, like yeah, And also because like that

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<v Speaker 3>ended on a cliffhanger and then it didn't come back

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<v Speaker 3>fin hour. Yeah, and it didn't come back for months,

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<v Speaker 3>so people were just like what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you because you were talking about her being a

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<v Speaker 2>Christian and you being a person of faith, and you

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<v Speaker 2>said that if April hadn't been a Christian, your role

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a lot easier. You made the common

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<v Speaker 2>about that, but at the same time, it opened the

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<v Speaker 2>door for you to have a say in the character.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you found that out, because I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>very Christian and was like very much in the church,

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<v Speaker 2>and even talking about Christianity and faith in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>anything in my life gives me so much anxiety talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it, Like yeah, on the podcast, even it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to offend people or say the wrong thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's such a personal experience. But did you find

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<v Speaker 2>that that was why I brought so much pressure onto

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<v Speaker 2>playing that character. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think because prior to April, we hadn't really seen

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<v Speaker 3>any Christian characters that weren't just like one dimensional villains,

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<v Speaker 3>that weren't just like bigoted faces.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I and I I felt a desire to represent

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<v Speaker 3>my community and my friend my friendships and the way

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<v Speaker 3>I try to walk out in the world. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a jerk face, you know. I am generous

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<v Speaker 3>with my heart and I'm not judgmental, and I'm welcoming

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of way, like you know, you believe,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe in Jesus, and that's who Jesus was. That

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<v Speaker 3>is literally who he was all about, welcoming everybody, saying

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<v Speaker 3>come as you are, you know. And so I just

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<v Speaker 3>I really felt like I wanted to have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to show the people that represented me, a person that

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<v Speaker 3>represented what my faith journey was. So I was it

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<v Speaker 3>was a privilege, but it was also it was hard.

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<v Speaker 3>It was hard to kind of try to try to

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<v Speaker 3>get in there and offer a new thought or shifted

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<v Speaker 3>one of the thoughts, or you know whatever, all the

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<v Speaker 3>little things that you do to kind of go well,

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<v Speaker 3>how about we think about it in this way, or

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<v Speaker 3>how about we think about it in this way? And

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<v Speaker 3>also the pressure of then presenting a new version of

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<v Speaker 3>a person of faith on television and hoping that the

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<v Speaker 3>people out there that connect with her will really feel seen.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's all. It's all just about feeling seen.

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<v Speaker 3>You want everybody and everybody. I mean, that show is

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<v Speaker 3>so amazing at allowing so many different people to feel seen.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was really important to me for the people

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<v Speaker 3>that I grew up with and people that I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>life with to really feel seen. In April as well,

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<v Speaker 3>I have.

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<v Speaker 2>A question about Gray's around me, and then I want

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<v Speaker 2>to move on because we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a break after your next question and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back.

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<v Speaker 2>So I get to ask my question. Then we're taking

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<v Speaker 2>Ariad correct. I normally thought to break.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you. I know it was so long ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that sometimes it's like you or you get

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<v Speaker 2>the script? Do you do the script? And then you

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<v Speaker 2>probably like move on a little bit, unless a fan

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<v Speaker 2>brings it up. But do you have any moments where

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<v Speaker 2>you got the script at the table read and you

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<v Speaker 2>were like, Oh my gosh, I cannot believe I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>to get to act this out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure, I would say the first time that

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<v Speaker 3>happened was the Shooter episode in season six, that huge

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<v Speaker 3>speech that I was given. It was the first time

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<v Speaker 3>they'd given me something. The writers had given me something

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<v Speaker 3>to like really sink my teeth into. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>was given tons of stuff throughout the nine years on

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<v Speaker 3>the show, but I feel like that was the first

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<v Speaker 3>moment where I was like, I have I have a

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<v Speaker 3>huge job ahead of me. I gotta nail this because

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<v Speaker 3>I was still in audition mode basically when we shot

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<v Speaker 3>that episode. I wasn't a series regular yet I have been.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'd done two episodes and I and my

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<v Speaker 3>character got fired and I was I thought I was

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<v Speaker 3>done with the show forever, and then they called me

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<v Speaker 3>back and brought me in. But it was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>this strange every three episodes you get a little tiny

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<v Speaker 3>bump and then you and then they don't even tell

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<v Speaker 3>you until June whether you're picked up as a series regular.

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<v Speaker 3>So all season six, every single script I got I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>can I show them what I can do? Can I

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<v Speaker 3>show them what I can do? You know? It was

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<v Speaker 3>just this, It was it felt like a whole season

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<v Speaker 3>long audition, so getting razy crazy. So then getting that episode,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I gotta nail this. I really got

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<v Speaker 3>to nail this, and it was. It was one of

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<v Speaker 3>those kind of iconic moments the show. So thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for saying that, But it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't an what did you What was your process

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the headspace to do a scene like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't do my process. I don't do like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't try to access past traumas or past tarts.

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<v Speaker 3>My characters, all the characters I play have had so

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<v Speaker 3>much more trauma in their life than I have. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's really an exercise of imagination for me. So it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also sometimes if I have to get emotional,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll I have like a sad mix that I'll plug

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<v Speaker 3>myself into just to stay and block out stay in

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<v Speaker 3>a moment in the kind of energy of emotion and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of block out everything else that's going on. But

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<v Speaker 3>it really for me is all about using my senses

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<v Speaker 3>to create the reality of this particular moment for this

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 3>particular person. Sometimes I journal in the voice of the character.

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<v Speaker 3>I just it's full imagination for me, and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I do. Yeah, I don't do I don't. I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Some actors like to do past hurts and past traumas.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't actually work. It completely takes me out of

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<v Speaker 3>a scene. For me, I have to just plant my

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 3>body into these present circumstances. That's that's how I do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you just go home and then you mom.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but then you go back. I didn't have kids

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 3>at that point, but you do. I had residual panic

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 3>attacks from that for like a good week after just

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, the cortisol levels would spike, and

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 3>I would be like, you know, because your body when

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 3>you work yourself into a panic that feels that real

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.360
<v Speaker 3>and is that you're trying, you really trying to ground yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>This is happening right now, There is a gun right now,

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<v Speaker 3>I might die right now. Your body reacts as if

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:21.960
<v Speaker 3>that's really happening, and your body doesn't know that it's

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.200
<v Speaker 3>your imagination that's caught it causing it. So it really

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 3>does take time for your body to shift out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I went into premature labor with my daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>What scene?

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<v Speaker 3>But when when I gave birth to Samuel and he

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<v Speaker 3>died in my arms? I was eight months pregnant with Hannah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh fully eight months pregnant. Yeah, and I yeah, I

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 3>was eight months pregnant and then I shot that scene.

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 3>It was ten hours on set, labor delivery death, baby

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<v Speaker 3>dies in my arms, and I went home and went

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 3>into premature labor ten hours later and she was born

0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 3>a month early. And it was in the nique for

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I have chills. And that is crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>so intense.

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<v Speaker 3>That took some therapy to get over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like, I lighten things.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I think I did that to my kid, and I

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 3>feel horrible that I did that to my kid. She's

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<v Speaker 3>super healthy and super great and everything is fine. But yeah,

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 3>it was because my body was like, oh, we're doing it. Yeah,

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 3>I guess we're doing it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, we're gonna take a break and digest and

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll be right back. All right, we are back. So

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Tony was saying she wanted to tell all eventually, but

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<v Speaker 2>you have a show that you don't even feel like

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.640
<v Speaker 2>there will be a tell all necessary, all the tell

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<v Speaker 2>will be just.

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<v Speaker 3>It was rainbows and puffies and happy lands. I just

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 3>it is such a sweet community. We laughed every day

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 3>of ten weeks of shooting. The writing is so good,

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 3>the leadership was so Can I tell you something really

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 3>fun about our production. Our producer, like boots on the

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:15.400
<v Speaker 3>ground producer, had this thing where he would do every Friday,

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 3>people all week love it. I don't even know what

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you're say. I love it. So all week long people

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.959
<v Speaker 3>would nominate the best employee all week long, and on

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Friday before we started shooting, they would be announced as

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 3>the winner. They get one hundred dollars bill and then

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 3>their faces on the call sheet for the whole next

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 3>week is Employee of the week. And so it just

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 3>created this culture where you just want to speak well

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 3>about people this You got to look at what they're doing.

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 3>Did you ever get employee of the week. No, the

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 3>actors and producers, but it was just the people were

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 3>like activated to work hard. We stuck to ten hour

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 3>work days, which just kept everybody happy. We had our

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 3>showrunner and producer. They're a married couple and they're the

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 3>most collaborative, kind hearted and also smart. The show is

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 3>so good, and so I just sometimes you have a

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>really beautiful experience on set and then the thing comes

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 3>out and it's it's great, but it's nothing to write

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 3>home about, you know. And sometimes the show is amazing,

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 3>but there's all kinds of drama behind the scenes. It's

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 3>rare when you get like a diamond d experience when

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 3>you're shooting something and then it turns out as beautifully

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 3>as it turned out that I can be. I'm so

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 3>proud of it. So I'm I hope we get to

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 3>do it for years.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could compare it to a show that like

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 1>the vibe of it, what would you compare it to,

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I would say it's Verona Kamars meets Murders.

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.160
<v Speaker 3>She wrote with the backdrop of Cozy Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so kind of like, oh my gosh, why am

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I blinking on the name of the show with Lucy Hale.

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh it was on ABC Family Tru.

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh, Pretty Little Liars, Pretty Little Liars.

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 3>You know what's funny is my lead act for my

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 3>Christmas My other Christmas movie I wrote is from Pretty

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 3>Little Liars. But I've never seen a single episode of

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 3>the show. I know it's crazy, so but I have

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 3>a feeling that show was maybe a little bit a

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 3>touch darker because there are murder mysteries happening in mistle

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Chow murders, but there's also like it's still Cristials. It's

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 3>like Christmas Noir, you know, but it felt it feels

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 3>like Veronica Mars to me in that there is one

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 3>mystery that gets solved every two episodes, but then there's

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 3>a broader mystery through line of who is this woman?

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Who is Emily Lane? She there's more to her than

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 3>meets the eye. She has all these skills that a

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 3>retail owner should not possess. She's crazy for Christmas, and

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 3>yet she might have kind of a dark past, and

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's really, it's really really kind of fascinating.

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 3>So the bigger mystery is what is her story? And

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 3>you get little snippets and little breadcrumbs throughout the whole

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 3>first season.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you a question that really, like, I

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't understand the decision making behind the one

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>week every week drop an episode, Oh, because you.

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Wanted to just be all bit yeah, Like I.

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Think, oh, I like the once a week no, but

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I feel.

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Like there's there was like this whole thing. When streaming

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>came about, it was like, Oh, everything's like did you

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>binge this? Did you binge this? And then I feel

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>like it's now going the other way where all these

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>shows are doing dropping once a week.

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it's to get water cooler moments. I think

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 3>they want people to watch it and build up, Oh

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 3>what's the next one. I'm dying for the next episode,

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 3>and they're talking about it, and that's what That's what

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 3>I thought was really cool about Cruel Summer. When we

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 3>did Cruel Summer, it was every week, it was a

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 3>ten week, ten weeks of episodes and dropped once a week,

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 3>and I think people were I mean, TikTok was went

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 3>crazy with it, just having all kinds of conspiracy theories

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 3>about what actually happened. And so first show show this

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 3>sort of a mystery show where you're trying to figure

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 3>some stuff out. It's sort of fun to let people wait.

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 3>But I know some people will not start watching it

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 3>until the last one, just the binge, because it's it's

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 3>it's weird, you know, Like I do understand. I understand

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 3>the getting everybody hyped up, you know, But then I

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 3>also I'm one of those people where like when I

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 3>sit down to watch something and I can only watch

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 3>one episode, get mad. I'm like, this is not okay.

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I've been trained the other way. Now now you're trying

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>to train me to go back your survivor not happily.

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 3>But there's no joy.

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 2>So it premiered on on Triber thirty. First premiered on Halloween,

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.959
<v Speaker 2>which I think is fun, so fun. Yeah, and then

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>it goes into it's like everyone gets to have it

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>for the holiday season of like gearing up for Christmas

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 2>and the holidays, which I love. And you also have

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 2>another movie coming out that you wrote and.

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Directed, produce produce, Yeah, executive produce.

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>So I want to know as someone who has typically

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>always been in front of the camera, because I know,

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 2>did you direct episodes on Grace?

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 3>I directed a web series. We did a web series

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 3>my last year on the show was called B Team.

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 3>It actually was. It was nominated for an Emmy. I

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 3>got to go to the Emmys with it. Yeah. I

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 3>think it's just look a Gray's Anatomy. B Team. I

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 3>think you can find it on ABC dot com. You

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 3>can find it on YouTube. It's there, okay, but there.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 3>It was a six, little two minute episodes, and yeah,

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 3>I directed that web series uh right, right before I

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 3>left the show. And I've I directed a radio play

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 3>last December that was a lot of fun. And I've

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 3>shadowed a bunch, but I've been doing a lot more producing,

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>and then I've now written and produced three films.

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 2>So do you have what is where do you find?

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>I know you probably will say both, find the joy

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing both. But what are the things that you

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>love about writing something and watching it come to life?

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like that would be so cool to

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>have an idea and writing a script is really hard,

0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend, and yeah it's crazy. Yeah, But I just

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>want to know what it's like for you to watch

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>something that you wrote and are producing, come to see

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>it come to fruition.

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 3>It's so exciting and it's so much fun. And I

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 3>think I really love the process of writing. Sometimes I

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 3>want to bang my head against the wall when you get,

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, a fire hose of notes and you go,

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 3>oh do I even I don't think, Maybe I don't

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm doing at all, And then you have

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 3>to go back to the drawing board. Not the drawing board,

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 3>but I've had on several of these films like lots

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 3>of notes that then you go and you rework it.

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 3>But then you rework it and you realize, oh, this

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 3>is actually much better storytelling. This is much more interesting.

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 3>This character just came to life in a new way

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 3>because of this note somebody gave me. There's something. Really

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 3>it feels really good when you're in the flow, when

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 3>you're writing a scene. Sometimes I'll like get so gushy

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 3>because I liked because I write romance. Basically, I'm like, oh,

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 3>this scene, it's so delicious, so tasty. Men should always

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 3>say these things to women, you know. And and I

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 3>love the idea that I'm just imagining it by myself

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 3>and creating the whole picture by myself. And then I'll

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 3>go back and edit it. But I can just let

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 3>myself go because nobody's watching, nobody's filming me. I don't

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 3>have a finite time to shoot the scene. I'm I

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 3>really get to sort of explore creatively, even more so

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 3>than when I do as an actor, because I'm I'm

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 3>exploring creatively every different character on top of the journey

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 3>of the story and the buttons at the end of

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 3>the scenes and how you move from this piece to

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 3>that piece. You know, so it's a very kind of

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 3>holistic creative experience that feels really really good when it's

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 3>not killing me and I'm not banging my head against

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 3>a wall, and then watching it come to life is

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 3>really interesting because then I have it in my head

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 3>how I imagine people cans, and then you give it to

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 3>somebody else, and then the director has his vision or

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>her vision, and then the actors approach the character in

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 3>their own way. And then I got to visit on

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 3>this one three times, which was really really fun, just

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 3>witnessing the whole process happen and watching them find their

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 3>way through the scenes and stuff. And sometimes it's it's

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>really fun too because they'll they'll do something that I

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 3>hadn't intended, but it's better, you know, and I'm like, oh,

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 3>you just brought a whole other color to this scene

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.879
<v Speaker 3>that I hadn't even imagined. So it's it's a really

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 3>fun process.

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any say in casting.

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 3>The last two? No? No, that's so indesting.

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Because I've always thought about that if you write it,

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>you would think that you're get to say because you

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 2>have a vision of what these people look like.

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are a lot of people making decisions and

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, the role of executive producer kind of changes

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 3>based on whatever production company you're working with, and there's

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 3>some that really welcome you into the process and there's

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.320
<v Speaker 3>some that don't welcome you as much into the process,

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 3>and you kind of just you kind of just go

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 3>with the flow. It's so, yeah, I didn't, but I've

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 3>been thrilled on the last two movies. With my first

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 3>movie that I wrote that Justin Bruening was in with me,

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 3>I had a hand in getting to cast him. I

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 3>watched audition tapes for all the supporting characters. I was

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 3>in all the production meetings. Part of that was also

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 3>because I was shadowing the director at the time as well,

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 3>so I kind of was inside of all of the

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 3>decision making. And that's that's how I prefer to do it. Yeah,

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 3>but sometimes that's just not the way that it that

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 3>it runs. But it's fun both ways.

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Was that the movie where you wrote the first sex scene?

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>For the Christmas movie?

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 3>So the one with Justin there wasn't a sex scene,

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 3>but there was a really intense makeout scene on a

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 3>porch that fades out while they're getting kind of heated

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 3>on the porch. So you can kind of use your

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 3>imagination of like where that went. And that was at

0:35:56.520 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 3>the time the first time on Lifetime they done like

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 3>a real full on makeout scene in the middle of

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 3>the movie. That so I kind of felt like I

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 3>dipped my toe into bringing a little more spice and

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 3>a little more heat to the typical model, which is,

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of a chaste kiss at the end,

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, people want, oh, not everybody, but I

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 3>think there is an audience that loves a little more heat.

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I like that.

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a big range spectrum in between that.

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 3>I just say, My Lady Jane was my binge this year.

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you guys saw.

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.919
<v Speaker 2>That about it though. It's so good.

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of romanticy. It's really good. Anyway, you should

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 3>watch it. It's on Amazon. They didn't pick it up

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 3>for a second season, which is devastating.

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 1>That's the worst.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 3>I love, love, love, love the romance genre. I just

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 3>think I just love it so much. So getting the

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 3>chance to kind of push the boundary last year and

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.760
<v Speaker 3>then it did so well. It was their highest rated

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Christmas movie I think in two years, so they you know,

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 3>I tried it again. People liked it there's an audience

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 3>for it. So I did it again and they bought

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:13.399
<v Speaker 3>it again.

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 2>So oh that's huge.

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so fun.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>That's really really exciting.

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's like there's there's so much out there,

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and so it's like when you hear that that it

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>did so well, like that must make you feel really

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>like proud.

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, especially since I'm still sort of new at it.

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:32.879
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think I I still feel a little

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 3>bit of imposter syndrome. Whenever you want to buy my script,

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 3>you want to you want to make my movie. You're

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 3>all in a production meeting talking about people I came

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 3>up with in my brain. It feels really weird at

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 3>this point of MYE have that What's that I think

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>we are? No, we all have imposter syndrome. I know,

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 3>I know what I bring to the table as an actor,

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 3>and I now really have begun to see what I

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 3>bring to the table as a leader. I know I

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 3>bring a lot to the table as a leader. When

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm in a leadership position, when I get to be

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 3>an executive producer and get to set the tone, I

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 3>know that I bring goodness, you know, And I know

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 3>and I've been acting my whole life. So I know

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 3>when I'm on, I know when I'm off. I know

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 3>I know that I can do it. Writing still feels

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 3>a little scary, like a little like somebody that I

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 3>don't know how they I don't know how they're gonna

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 3>if they're gonna like it.

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>After this, maybe we're gonna get another one.

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 3>One.

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I just love that you had this incredible career on Graze,

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking about what you said at the

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the podcast of like you don't know if

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 2>you ever would have left, And it's like if you

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>had never if that had never happened, you would you

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 2>have stepped into these new roles that you're where you're

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.280
<v Speaker 2>trying new things like or would you have been comfortable

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 2>in your position on grades? You know it's I I was.

0:38:56.440 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 3>I was shadowing to eventually direct episodically. Yeah, so I

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 3>was already kind of in that trajectory a little bit,

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 3>But it never occurred to me that I could be

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.399
<v Speaker 3>a writer, and I never would have done that while

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I was still on Graze. I don't think that ever

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 3>would have happened. Ye, And I think you know, the

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.919
<v Speaker 3>reason I started writing is from doing one of these

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 3>Christmas movies. They did a Christmas movie called Twinkle All

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 3>the Way on Lifetime and worked with these two amazing

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 3>rock star female producers, Stephanie Slack and Margaret Huddleston, and

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 3>I pitched them an idea after making that movie and

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 3>they were and I was like, so we should probably,

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, find a writer for it. And they're like, no,

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.760
<v Speaker 3>you're the writer. Go buy yourself final draft. You've literally

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 3>just painted the whole story for us. We're watching the

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 3>movie as you talk. You know how to write, you know,

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 3>so go get final draft and write. And I would

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 3>never have done it if those two women had not

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 3>come into my life and had not kicked me in

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 3>the butt and told me I was capable of it.

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 3>And then they were my producers on my first one,

0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:59.239
<v Speaker 3>on that exact one that I wrote, and they were

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 3>so empowering every step of the way, so encouraging, so loving.

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 3>It was just such a beautiful experience. Yeah, so nice,

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 3>so good.

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 2>I love hearing that. I know. It's just cool to

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>see women go like, you can do this, and we're

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna cheer you on to be a part of it

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>while you do it.

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was such a gift. I just didn't even

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 3>it hadn't even occurred to me that I would be

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 3>the writer. I thought I'd be an executive producer on it,

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>we'd hire a writer. I thought i'd star in it.

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 3>But they're like, you're going to write it, You're going

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 3>to write it, and you're you're, you're it's gonna be great.

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.399
<v Speaker 2>If you got to write and then act in your

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>dream role and your dream character, who would that be?

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.160
<v Speaker 2>What would who would she be?

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 3>It would be sort of it would be in the

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 3>era of like a Pride and prejudice.

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>My girlfriend Aly loves a period piece.

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 3>I love a period piece. I love, love, love a

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.240
<v Speaker 3>period piece. I love I love a strong female character

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 3>inside of a strange world where women do not have

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 3>the rights that we know possess, and watching them resilient

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 3>and bold in the midst of all of the that

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 3>that the constraints that are put on them socially. So

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I think that would be really fun. I don't think.

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 3>I well, yes, I could, I could write out. I

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 3>think something about writing for period is harder because you

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 3>really do have to do a lot of research to

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 3>figure out all of the social norms of the day

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 3>and how do people talk to each other? And you know,

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 3>it's a whole other style of writing.

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 1>The day of jorn when you are filming. So when

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 1>you were doing Mistletoe Murders, were you filming that in

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>La No, that was in Toronto, And it's how long

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>do you film?

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:14.160
<v Speaker 3>Ten weeks?

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 1>So you're you're in Toronto for ten weeks?

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Is that crazy? Yes?

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Is your family with you?

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.280
<v Speaker 3>No, they're here. Yeah. So this year was insane because

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 3>my husband went to teach. He teaches at Dartmouth in

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 3>New Hampshire, So he went to teach for the winter

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 3>semester for ten weeks in the winter, and then I

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 3>was gone for ten weeks in the summer to Toronto,

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 3>and then he's gone this fall again to teach at Dartmouth.

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 3>My parents live with me when he goes, so I

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 3>have this amazing support system because I'm in and out

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 3>of town all the time. But yeah, it was definitely

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 3>challenging to not be with my family. They came to

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.919
<v Speaker 3>visit for I think like two and a half weeks

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 3>something like that, but they do get they need they

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 3>need to get back to their rhythm and their routine.

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 3>The kids want to see their friends. Peter starts to

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 3>go stir crazy. You know. It's it's because I'm working

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 3>all the time. They come out to Toronto and then

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 3>they can't really even spend very much time with me.

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 3>I was also writing Carpenter Christmas Romance while I was

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 3>shooting that, so I was writing. I had to buy

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 3>myself a lap desk, and I was I turned in

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 3>my first draft before we started, but then I had

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 3>so many notes, so I was doing my second and

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 3>third drafts on my lap in the car on the

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 3>way to work every day.

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's probably fun because you can, like when you're working,

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you're just like solely focused on that, and then when

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you're home, you're just like fully mom, you know.

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I find that, like this fall has been really crazy

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 3>with I did a bunch of traveling, and I've done

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of promotional stuff and for Hallmark and a

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 3>lot of a lot of press and a lot of traveling,

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 3>and I find that it is very hard to be

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 3>going going full time in the business and then also

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 3>have to then kids. Kids are picked up at three

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 3>ten and then it's just your mom for the rest

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.320
<v Speaker 3>of the day, and you can't sort of recuperate or

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 3>recover from so I mean, my parents are my mom

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 3>and my dad are so amazing and are They're just

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 3>so amazing, But it doesn't the reality of having two

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:30.720
<v Speaker 3>very full jobs at the same time. It's very present,

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 3>even if you have a lot of help and a

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 3>lot of support. Because when my kids are going through something,

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 3>they they need mom, you know, and I want to

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 3>be mom. I don't I'm not passing that off to

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 3>my parents when my son is struggling with something or

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.400
<v Speaker 3>my daughter's struggling with something, like I want to do

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 3>that stuff. But then it just it means that I'm

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 3>sometimes getting four or five hours of sleep at night.

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 3>So it is, Yeah, it's a lot.

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like we get we talk a lot

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 1>to women in the industry that they do. It's like

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>we are superhuman, we can do it all, but like

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 1>we can't do it all at the same time. But everybody,

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>like social media makes it seem like everybody does and

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:13.919
<v Speaker 1>that we all have it under control and like it's

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>no big deal, and so it's like, but it is.

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>It's the reality of the situation, you know what I mean.

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>And I think there's a lot of women that feel

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.439
<v Speaker 1>guilt in if they work too much or if they're

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 1>not working at all and they're not you know, supporting

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>in a certain way. And it's like we're just always

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 1>as women made to feel guilt and shame on either

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:31.839
<v Speaker 1>matter what.

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:33.319
<v Speaker 3>We do, no matter what we do, no matter what.

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.760
<v Speaker 3>If we're working all the time, if we have help, yeah,

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 3>oh shame, shame, shame. If we're choose to be a

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.279
<v Speaker 3>stay at home mom, shame, shame, shame. You know, there's

0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 3>and I think the reality is you can participate in

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:49.919
<v Speaker 3>all of these things. That is true. Like I can

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 3>have a full time job and be a mom, but

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:56.760
<v Speaker 3>something is going to give constantly. I am constantly something

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 3>is falling, some plate is falling all the time, and

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.240
<v Speaker 3>you're just in clean up on Aisle six all the time,

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.919
<v Speaker 3>you know, and it really comes out. I mean there's

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 3>so many times, my sweet mom, because I will just

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 3>I get so this fall. I've gotten so exhausted that

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I just burst in. I'm just sitting I'm at the

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 3>kitchen sink or whatever, I'm somewhere at the dining table.

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, She's like, honey, and I'm like, I know,

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 2>I just really need to cry. This is so much.

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 3>It's all so much because it takes. And my kids

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 3>just my daughter just started middle school and my son

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 3>is in all of a sudden this year. The workload

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 3>is getting to be more and there's social stuff that's

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 3>happening all the time. There's so much that you want

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 3>to be present for and be direct, helping to direct

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 3>their steps and helping to give them the tools they

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 3>need and show up for them. And then you also

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 3>just can't let stuff fall by the wayside that you're

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 3>that you've committed to. It's uh, yeah, it is. It's

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.720
<v Speaker 3>no freaking jokes hard.

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 1>It is really hard.

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:17.360
<v Speaker 2>So your your daughter's in middle school going into middle school.

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 3>She's in middle school now. They started in fifth grade

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 3>at her school, so I feel, oh, yeah, it's young.

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's okay.

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Wait fifth through eighth at their school.

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was because I was asking. I was wondering

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>if they there's this like resurgence of people watching and

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:37.480
<v Speaker 2>binging Grace at me from the beginning. Do they have

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:41.280
<v Speaker 2>they encountered that part of your life.

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.839
<v Speaker 3>They haven't done. I still feel like they're too young

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 3>for Grace Academy and it wouldn't spark their interest as much.

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't think yet they've watched a bunch of my Hannah.

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 3>We were just saying this on the way because we

0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 3>watched the first two episodes of missileto Murders last night,

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.239
<v Speaker 3>and my kids are so invested. They're like, where's the

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.319
<v Speaker 3>where's the third one? Where's the fourth? Can we know?

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 3>We have to keep watching? Like I need to know

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 3>what happens? What is her past? Where is she from?

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.240
<v Speaker 3>You know, who's gonna be the Who's gonna be the mystery?

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 3>The next time and we're driving and Micah was saying,

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 3>you know you really you really enjoyed doing Mistletoe Murders, right,

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:21.439
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, I loved it. He's like that's great,

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 3>because you know what, it's a really good show. And

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I was like, thank you. He's like, I'm really into it.

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, usually i'd get a little tired. For instance,

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 3>he said, for instance, when we watched and Or a

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago, when it first came out, I

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 3>was less into it because it was much more character

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 3>driven and there weren't as many like battle scenes. But

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 3>now I think I could go back to and Or

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 3>and like it more because I'm now really responding to

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 3>all the character driven stuff. Yeah, And I was like Yeah,

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.319
<v Speaker 3>isn't that cool? Isn't it cool that you shift and

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.560
<v Speaker 3>change and the stuff that you get excited about shifts

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 3>and change. And then Hannah's like, but is there romance?

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, yeah, there's a romance in this show.

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, I love romance.

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 2>She gets that, honest, it seems so good.

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Mic is like, I hope there isn't too much kissing.

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.280
<v Speaker 1>That's so funny, so funny.

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm amazed by how you do it all. And

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like so grateful that we've gotten to have

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>you on the podcast and we're talking about new things

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>and what you're doing. And it's so cool to watch

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 2>you like grow as an actress and writer and producer

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and watch you do all these things.

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And I do really appreciate you opening up about that

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 1>because I just feel like it is something that is

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 1>just it's a it's just an ever present. I don't

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 1>know what the word that I'm looking for is, but

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>as women that work and have kids and.

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 3>You don't stop thinking, there are things happening in your

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:49.439
<v Speaker 3>brain all the time, whether it's a conversation a hard

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.919
<v Speaker 3>conversation you have to have work wise, or a hard

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 3>conversation you have to have kid wise, or a hard

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:56.719
<v Speaker 3>conversation you have to have with your partner about how

0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 3>we're doing a certain thing. Right. There is constant, it

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 3>does the voice does not stop.

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just wanted to bring up I wanted to

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>thank you because I felt very seen at Epicon when

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.359
<v Speaker 1>we received a question from a fan that said, if

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.399
<v Speaker 1>you could have a romance with anybody living or dead

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:33.800
<v Speaker 1>on Grey's Anatomy, and you threw it back to somebody

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 1>very far back in the past, that I have been

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 1>preaching about him since day one, and I will die

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:43.800
<v Speaker 1>on this hill, that he was the best character male character,

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:47.399
<v Speaker 1>Andrey's lady and what was your answer, Danny do Guet

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:50.760
<v Speaker 1>obviously pre ghost sex.

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I didn't need any of that either.

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:56.879
<v Speaker 1>I didn't need them to bring him back, Like, if

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you're going to kill him, let it be.

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:05.879
<v Speaker 3>He was such a beautiful, generous, loving man. I was like,

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>this is how you should behave as a man.

0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 3>And I always loved Izzy Denny. I just I died.

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 3>I love them so much.

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I love them so much too, and I really feel

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>like gone too soon.

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.360
<v Speaker 3>It was very sad, very sad that elvat.

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so I just want to say thank you

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:28.240
<v Speaker 1>really from the bottom of that, because I A preached

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 1>it so much on this podcast.

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 3>The reaction in the room was phenomenal.

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 1>It was I think everyone was like it was extraordinary,

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 1>like many other people feel the same way. So anyway,

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to thank you for that.

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Really validated her because we go back and forth. I'm like,

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 2>that's I was not a fan.

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I know it's tough, tough being next

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.240
<v Speaker 1>to her.

0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 3>Henry was so really really good. Henry's so good.

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm Henry discriminists.

0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Why do they have to die? I know the good

0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 3>ones gone to my kind hearted, like nice, good guy,

0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 3>good guys, caring, loving, sensitive.

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.320
<v Speaker 2>My youngest sister's watching and she's like, I can't believe

0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.359
<v Speaker 2>that you ever liked Derek Shepherd. He is the worst

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 2>character I've ever seen on TV.

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 3>That was so funny.

0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 2>WHOA what happened?

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 3>I remember? People got people are passionate.

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 2>She's watching it, so it's fun. That's fun.

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 1>That is very fun.

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 2>We'll have her on to talk about it. Right, I

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 2>want to know your sign, but I want Tanya to

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 2>try and guess your son.

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I'm getting Capricorn vibes. But it's not Capricorn, right,

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it's Taurus. It's not taurres is visit Capricorn cancer librah.

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.759
<v Speaker 2>That's right, right, Yeah, you knew it.

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I knew it makes sense right now she knows

0:52:57.760 --> 0:52:58.839
<v Speaker 1>all of them, and she'll be.

0:52:58.800 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Like, do you guys know the end?

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I love the enneagram, are you? I'm I'm almost

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 3>identically a three four. I'm a three four. So that's

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:11.800
<v Speaker 3>the three is the achiever, and then the four is

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:13.920
<v Speaker 3>the feeler, and I achieved through feeling.

0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:20.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just so yeah, it's you were nine right, yeah,

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:23.320
<v Speaker 1>but I do you think you've changed?

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Maybe?

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh well I'm one? Yeah, Justice, I thought it was perfectionist.

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.160
<v Speaker 3>It is that too, but but part of perfectionism is

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 3>also just like there's a right way, there's the wrong way.

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah that's me.

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, before we go, okay, I want to know

0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 4>if they if you have a question, that you would

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 4>be happy never being asked again?

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's the good one.

0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:51.200
<v Speaker 3>How did it feel when they let you go from

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Gray's and Adams as that?

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

0:53:55.520 --> 0:54:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Well the last time it's okay, and I because can

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 3>I tell? I will tell you. Why is because I

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:09.240
<v Speaker 3>will inevitably say a string of words that then become

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.880
<v Speaker 3>the clickbait headlined that then don't tell the whole story,

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:18.239
<v Speaker 3>and then that feels super shitty. So I actually love

0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 3>talking about the incredible, expansive joy that I felt in

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 3>the because so much of the engine that drives my

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.439
<v Speaker 3>life is holding pain and hope together at the same

0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 3>time I'm holding it. I'm always I'm so aware of

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 3>the darkness in the world and the light in the world,

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 3>and the light that is there if you're looking for it,

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 3>and so I'm kind of in pursuit of the light

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 3>whenever there's pain or whatever. So I like to talk

0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.839
<v Speaker 3>about that whole thing, and that experience is like the

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 3>epitome of both of those things happening at the same

0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:52.280
<v Speaker 3>time to me. But I inevitably will say a string

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.879
<v Speaker 3>of words together that then become the quote that then

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:59.799
<v Speaker 3>everybody picks up, and it just ends up feeling like

0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:04.399
<v Speaker 3>not not my heart and not my not who I am,

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, it just becomes like, Oh, she's bitter, and

0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:10.000
<v Speaker 3>it's I'm not. Actually, that's not the.

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:11.959
<v Speaker 2>Point better for me at all. In fact, I want

0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I wanted a little more bitterness from you about it. Honest,

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I wanted a little more.

0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:20.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't think anybody who's ever interviewed me about this

0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 3>would ever have said that they got bitterness from me. No,

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 3>but the headlines that are grabbed just show bitterness, right,

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 3>So you know, I don't like that.

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I've never gotten that from you and anything I've seen

0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 2>from you talking about it.

0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 3>So just bitterness is such a waste of energy and

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.640
<v Speaker 3>doesn't It's not useful and I don't want to live

0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:42.760
<v Speaker 3>in I would never want to live in that space. Yeah,

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:44.160
<v Speaker 3>it's not how I live my life.

0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:44.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 3>No, I always see it as like, oh, we I

0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 3>moved into a new direction, and now look at this

0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:51.160
<v Speaker 3>awesome stuff I get to do. Yeah, you know, that's

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:53.359
<v Speaker 3>that's how I live my life. Yeah, and I don't

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:56.439
<v Speaker 3>pretend that the pain didn't happen. It happened. But I

0:55:56.520 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 3>also but it's like it created this new which is

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 3>so beautiful. Yeah, I love that.

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:03.760
<v Speaker 2>It's the first question.

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, But it is.

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:07.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't mean to make you feel bad in any way.

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Ready for it, and I you know, I'm used to

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:14.759
<v Speaker 3>it totally. And I also I think right in the

0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:17.359
<v Speaker 3>wake of being let go I got so tired of

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:20.720
<v Speaker 3>everybody only wanting to talk about Grey's Anatomy. But now

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 3>as I've engaged with more fans, I love being on

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Cameo by the way I've had the I just think

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:29.959
<v Speaker 3>it's the sweetest experience to get to meet people where

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 3>they are at beautiful moments in their lives and to

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:36.480
<v Speaker 3>hear how much April has meant to people. I know

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.280
<v Speaker 3>that April is ever green, Gray's Anatomy is ever green.

0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:41.799
<v Speaker 3>April will always be a part of me and will

0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:45.960
<v Speaker 3>always be a part of the audience's idea of who

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:49.359
<v Speaker 3>I am, and I'm proud of that. I love it.

0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:51.360
<v Speaker 3>I actually I've gotten to a place where I'm like

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 3>that time is precious, that season was precious to me

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 3>and I and I feel like when I hear people's

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:02.560
<v Speaker 3>stories about how much a Roles stories broke their heart

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 3>open or made them feel less alone, I go, yes,

0:57:05.760 --> 0:57:09.840
<v Speaker 3>that's that feels so affirming. It feels like me living

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 3>into my purpose. Yeah, and I love it. I love

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:14.719
<v Speaker 3>it now. So I don't mind talking about.

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Grazes though, because I feel like I do I understand that,

0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>not even just from Grey's Anatomy, but like I feel

0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 1>like there's several actors who have this role and like

0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 1>a huge dynamic show and then like people, they just

0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:28.640
<v Speaker 1>get asked questions about that all the time and then

0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:30.880
<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, but I'm promoting this, you know.

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 3>So it's like I do get that.

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, like as a fan, you

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 1>you're so interested in intriguing, so you hold this like

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>space for these people, these characters, and so it's like

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>it's so it's like.

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 3>A and I love it. As someone was asking me

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:46.240
<v Speaker 3>actually that I'll I know, our time is up or whatever,

0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:49.200
<v Speaker 3>but like someone was asking me after epicuns they were like,

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 3>how do you how does that experience feel? Is it chaotic?

0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Is it overwhelming? Is it like an ego boost? And

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 3>I my experience at those situations where I get to

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 3>have this time, it is exhausting, of course, because you're

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 3>trying to you know, people are waiting in line to

0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 3>see you, They've paid money to see you, and you

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.920
<v Speaker 3>want to make sure that you're giving them their money's

0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.560
<v Speaker 3>worth and you're really focused on them and you're really

0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 3>giving yourself to them to some degree, so that it's draining,

0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:21.439
<v Speaker 3>But hearing people's stories is so affirming. It makes It's

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 3>not an ego thing for me. It's really fully the

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 3>sense of I set out from the earliest stages when

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I was in high school. I wanted to impact people's

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<v Speaker 3>lives through storytelling and through acting. So whenever anybody tells

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<v Speaker 3>me that a story has impacted them and a story

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<v Speaker 3>I got to tell, that is me living into my purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's such a gift to hear it because we

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<v Speaker 3>so many people in so many industries don't get to

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<v Speaker 3>hear it the number of times we get to hear it, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you know forever. I mean you are.

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<v Speaker 2>You are so loved by the Raised fandom, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that people will love you in everything you do

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<v Speaker 2>because you put that out there for people. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope you always feel that in everything you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And where can please come back for any project that

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<v Speaker 1>you have in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Our door is always.

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<v Speaker 2>Open to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I will, and you can ask me how I felt

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<v Speaker 3>leaving Grace mad Me if you really need to again,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I got, I've gotten all I need to know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry that I asked them one question don't apologize.

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<v Speaker 3>I expect it every single place I go.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have any that I didn't, we love

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<v Speaker 2>you so much and everyone's stream or wait.

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<v Speaker 3>You could start it now and just and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna have some cliffhanger moments, but it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>really fun. It'll it'll drop a new episode. There's six episodes,

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<v Speaker 3>and a new episode drops every Thursday, and the first

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<v Speaker 3>one just dropped on Halloween, so we have a new

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<v Speaker 3>one episode two drops this Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing. Where can they follow you?

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<v Speaker 3>The Sarah Drew on Instagram? I'm also on TikTok. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I'm the Sarah Drew might be just Sarah Drew,

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<v Speaker 3>M sure, and I think Twitter is or X. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>never there, guys. I won't pay the money either. I

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<v Speaker 3>won't pay the money, so I can't find the mentions

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know how to. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to interact with people anymore on that, but I am

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<v Speaker 3>amazing think Sarah Drew. Yeah, if you want to, if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to, honestly, if you want to see mentions

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<v Speaker 3>so that you can response, bond and repost, you, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to pay like twelve bucks a month.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a minute, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been there in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So mostly Instagram. That's that's my main place where you'll

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<v Speaker 3>see and hear anything else going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>We love you so much. I love you. Thank you.