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Speaker 1: If there's one thing I've learned so far in this podcast,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to dive into this one today. It's

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Speaker 5: That's never something I can to talk about, but I

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Speaker 5: I just have predominant oly skin, and I think some

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Speaker 6: Well, I was the only one among all my friends,

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Speaker 7: So, I think it's interesting you asked him if he

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Speaker 7: I don't think this man is ever embarrassed to do anything,

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Speaker 7: Like he's just he's so like my parents are so

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Speaker 7: To be completely honest, I think my dad takes better

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Speaker 7: But in general, I think now we have so many

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Speaker 7: They're like what for, Like what am I trying to impress?

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Speaker 1: We have dermatologists and skincare brand founder doctor Minipe Shaw

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Speaker 1: up right after the break, Welcome back to skin Querries. Hi,

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Speaker 1: doctor Shaw, Welcome to Skin Queries. We're so excited to

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Speaker 1: Can you introduce yourself and tell us a little bit

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Speaker 2: I'm a board certified dermatologist in both general dermatology and

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of what I do.

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Speaker 2: And I started creating content on social media about four

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Speaker 2: So it's been interesting to see the world from both

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Speaker 3: It's definitely not even.

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Speaker 2: It's mostly women, and it's true on my social media

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Speaker 1: High, right, And so what are some of men's concerns

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Speaker 3: It very much is like problem solution.

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Speaker 2: with something like you know, para loss is very common

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Speaker 1: Are there certain misconceptions about men's skin that we've been

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Speaker 1: So when you got into medicine, did you always know

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Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to explain. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: and you know, I feel right, they're very much into

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, Like, yeah, there was like the gateways into

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Speaker 1: Right. Another thing is facial hair and beards. As far

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Speaker 4: Marketing can have a lot to do with it, right.

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Speaker 2: better than a tradation cleanser or moisturizer.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, doctor Shah, Thank you for taking the

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Speaker 4: time to chat.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: However you present yourself to the world, you most likely

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Speaker 1: care about your skin, and that's a good thing. I

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Speaker 1: think we're past the point of calling people vain or

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Speaker 1: shallow for caring how they look and wanting to feel

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Speaker 1: their best, because when it comes to our skin, we

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Speaker 1: want to keep it healthy and keep up appearances. But

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Speaker 1: also sometimes skin conditions can be painful. We talked a

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Speaker 1: lot about acne today and whether it's acne or claxoriasis

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Speaker 1: or any kind of inflammation, help is out there and

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Speaker 1: there's no need to be embarrassed that you care, and

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Speaker 1: that is the first step in healing. That's it for

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Speaker 1: our show today, but I want to give the final

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Speaker 1: word to our stereotype busting early skincare adopter ismael capsis.

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Speaker 6: In my opinion, people must use products for skin care.

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Speaker 6: It is necessary, It is good for your skin, it

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Speaker 6: is good for your health, and the better you look psychologically,

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Speaker 6: the better you're going to feel. But using products for

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Speaker 6: skin I've been using those for the last forty almost

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Speaker 6: fifty years and thanks to them, you know, I feel better.

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Speaker 6: My advice would be go to specialists, get the information,

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Speaker 6: go to reliable sources about skincare.

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Speaker 4: That's my advice, and great advice it is.

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Speaker 1: Our guests today were doctor Medeeb Shaw and Elsa Cavazos

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Speaker 1: with her father is Mael Kavazos.

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Speaker 4: A massive thanks to all.

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Speaker 1: Skin Cares is hosted by myself Nicole Berry and executive

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Speaker 1: produced by Yvonne Sheehan.

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Speaker 4: Our senior producer is Tory Weldon.

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Speaker 1: Our junior producers are reem El mcgraby and Austin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: The show is mixed and features original music by Sam Sagam.

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