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Speaker 3: Live from Patriots Mini Camp.

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Speaker 4: This is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 5: All right, Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. This is a special

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Speaker 5: live edition from the first day of Patriots Mandatory Mini Camp.

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Speaker 5: I'm Fred Kersh, Paul Parrillo, Mike Dusseau is joining us.

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Speaker 5: We'll probably be joined by others a little later on

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Speaker 5: Evan Lazare, Tamra Brown, but we'll be here for the

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Speaker 5: duration of practice today, bringing you everything we see in

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Speaker 5: here here at Patriots Mini Camp. And it's exciting because

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Speaker 5: you know, this is the first time it's mandatory for

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Speaker 5: the players to be here. They've had pretty good, you know,

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Speaker 5: attendance so far with the OTAs. But what we're gonna

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Speaker 5: see today is everybody here, unless you've got some sort

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Speaker 6: Excuse that you know has been approved. But we're gonna

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Speaker 6: see uh, pretty much everybody here today, we hope.

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Speaker 8: And I found it interesting that, you know, some of

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Speaker 8: the you know, some of our colleagues are sort of

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Speaker 8: speculating as to if anybody will not be here, and

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Speaker 8: the one name that keeps getting brought up is Trent Brown.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, so.

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Speaker 8: It'd be interesting to see as players are starting to

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Speaker 8: just how close to one hundred percent that attendance winds

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we saw JJ Shuster this morning because in addition

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Speaker 5: to Mini Camp, the Patriots have their media day today.

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Speaker 5: So that's the day where all the players come and

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Speaker 5: get their head shots done for all the networks, including uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, Patriots dot Com and the preseason broadcasts, and

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Speaker 5: they do all their specialized you know, uh you know,

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Speaker 5: uh poses and all that stuff. So they were all

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Speaker 5: there today.

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Speaker 6: JJ Shuster, Juju Shuster was there today, Smith.

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Speaker 5: But but he may not practice from what I understand,

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Speaker 5: some sort of injury.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 8: And I know like he you know, I read in

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Speaker 8: Mike Reese over the weekend. You know, he did come

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Speaker 8: off an injury from the Super Bowl that he had

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Speaker 8: that knee injury heading into the Super Bowl and that

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Speaker 8: That's why we haven't seen him yet this spring.

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Speaker 4: The other guy to look out for, also with with

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Speaker 4: Reese's notes was Taekwon Thornton, who had, you know, a

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Speaker 4: nice first practice that we saw him in Ota camp,

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Speaker 4: but supposely a soft tissue injury that's maybe keeping him

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Speaker 4: trying to build a little bit of momentum after those

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Speaker 4: first couple of practices that he played well. So they

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Speaker 4: definitely will see what the receiver group looks like today

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Speaker 4: and who Mack is thrown to.

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Speaker 5: Just a little programming note, we'll have our cameras down

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Speaker 5: in the field as much as we can. There's certain

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Speaker 5: portions of the practice that we're not allowed to film,

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Speaker 5: to about eleven fifty today and then from that point

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Speaker 5: rest of the practice. But we'll still be telling you

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Speaker 5: Just just want to let everyone know. In cases say,

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Speaker 8: We just safe to say, if we're not showing you

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Speaker 5: What that means is, obviously at this time of year,

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Speaker 6: In fact, you really can't wear pads anymore at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: They've got something to work from. You know, there's chances

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Speaker 5: remember we saw some long passes to Trey Nixon. So

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Speaker 5: we came out of mini camps, Oh, this is what

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Speaker 4: The practices on offense, it seems like Bill O'Brien knows

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Speaker 4: You'll take it as far as football goes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and people may note, you know, with Mac Jones's

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Speaker 5: first press conference this OTA period, he used the word normal, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and that would be my big takeaway, Freddie. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: That we got to watch and less so I'm less

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Speaker 8: it was much smoother. The overall operation looked more like

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Speaker 5: Look speaking of accustomed to seeing there's Matthew Slater. We've

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my whole life. That is rare. And you

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Speaker 6: heard Tamara Brown.

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Speaker 5: Tamara's here along with Evan Lazar and they'll be joining

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Speaker 5: what are something things that you're gonna be looking for

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Speaker 5: in these mini camps, Paul, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 8: I want to see a continuation of that that offensive

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Speaker 8: to hear Kendrick Bourne on the last ota that we

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Speaker 9: You know. I think that they were.

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Speaker 6: Mike, just so with the blue glasses, very very Hollywood. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: thank you, not only Merrit glasses too, right, I.

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Speaker 4: Think so they were a gift for my sister, but

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Speaker 4: thank you. Okay, what am I looking for? I would say,

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Speaker 6: Now, how about you, Evan, Yeah, I would do so.

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Speaker 3: I think that the some of the guys that weren't

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Speaker 3: But now we got to see physically is he going

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Speaker 3: little bit more competitive stretches here, Hi, over the next

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Speaker 7: Okay, So I'm probably a hybrid of between Deuce and Paul.

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Speaker 7: I think one last year around this time, the offense

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Speaker 7: behind the scenes that we didn't know was going on.

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Speaker 7: This year, you know, they're saying it's normal, they're saying

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Speaker 7: I'm hoping to actually see that consistency keep going beyond

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Speaker 10: And then I also want.

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Speaker 7: To see guys like Juju hopefully show up today at

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Speaker 5: You know, that's where it all comes down to putting

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Speaker 5: You know, I saw a debate on Twitter today, Levan.

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Speaker 6: Did twenty years ago or thirty years ago isn't fair.

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Speaker 5: It's rare that you have those complete shutdown defenses like

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Speaker 7: Defense, and I think that what goes along with that,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, getting off on third down. Getting off the field

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Speaker 6: Team, you know, That's the way it is in this league.

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Speaker 5: So White's a guy I'm gonna be keing on, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was one of the surprises for me just

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Speaker 9: A little bit.

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Speaker 8: I'm watching the first couple of offensive lines go through

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Speaker 9: You know, how about Lawrence guy? Have we seen him? Nope,

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Speaker 6: He just had a baby, just another baby.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they got them, They got them all booked. This

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Speaker 4: And guys, what did Bill have to say? I didn't

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Speaker 3: No, not part of this staff yet, they're they're in

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Speaker 8: I had heard, and I didn't look this up, so

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Speaker 9: A position within the football program at Marshall.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I don't think it was necessarily a coaching position. I

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Speaker 6: All right, So I think right now they're doing some

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Speaker 8: It's it's walked through with offense going on both fields simultaneous.

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Speaker 9: I don't think he.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting with Flucker.

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Speaker 6: He's he got drafted in two thousand thirteen eleventh overall. Yes,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but he lost seventy pounds and he's still three forty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got the king of offseason worked out videos. Right.

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Speaker 8: it interesting that a couple of people speculated that he

440
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Speaker 8: may not be here this morning in some of the

441
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Speaker 8: reports that I read this morning, and usually when you

442
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Speaker 8: see the writers, you know, sort of having a similar

443
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Speaker 8: kind of a narrative that it comes from somewhere and

444
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Speaker 8: maybe the agent's upset.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

446
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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, no idea Saquon Barkley is holding

447
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Speaker 5: out for the Giants, And so you always wonder when

448
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,959
Speaker 5: a guy's not here and you haven't heard of an injury,

449
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 5: like is he upset about something? And you go back

450
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Speaker 5: to last year when he was switched over to right

451
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Speaker 5: tackle left tackle, and but you know, was signed you

452
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Speaker 5: know under maybe right tackle money.

453
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Speaker 6: You're like, is he still pissy about that? You don't know.

454
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Speaker 8: I think that I think everything is on the table, Fred, Yeah,

455
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Speaker 8: because you like to always sorry, talk about the media,

456
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Speaker 8: right there's a sizable media contingent being that on the

457
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Speaker 8: field right now.

458
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

459
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Speaker 5: So right now you see the the players warming up.

460
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Speaker 5: We're looking at the offense right now in their white jerseys.

461
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Speaker 6: Who's fifty five in red?

462
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Speaker 4: That's Antonio Maffifi, new guy red. And uh, I don't

463
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Speaker 4: know how you guys are feeling about your attendance right now,

464
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Speaker 4: but I feel like, should.

465
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Speaker 3: We do a little behind the scenes inside baseball of

466
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Speaker 3: us reading through.

467
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Speaker 11: The Yeah, I'm closing in on it too. Loo can

468
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Speaker 11: throw out a few here. James Robinson, I do not

469
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Speaker 11: have him. No Juju Smith, Schuster, have Taekwon Thornton.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 4: I assume t Hayes and Okasi are probably here, but

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Speaker 4: I do not have I did not.

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Speaker 3: Have neither did I?

474
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Speaker 4: Uh boy, I did not see I have not. I

475
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Speaker 4: have not seen him terres Hall.

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Speaker 6: So are there any wide receivers here?

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Speaker 9: I think I did do?

478
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Speaker 4: And when you not here?

479
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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Uh gotcha?

481
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Speaker 5: And god James White h saying hello to uh his

482
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Speaker 5: former teammates.

483
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Speaker 9: I have.

484
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Speaker 7: I feel like this is why, this is why train

485
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Speaker 7: nicks and shines at moments like this, because no one

486
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Speaker 7: was here last year.

487
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Speaker 6: I think either, right.

488
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Speaker 4: Make the most of your opportunities, that's right, Yeah, But

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Speaker 4: I think that was you know, what we saw the

490
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Speaker 4: last oh T was was no Juju and and no Thornton.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think that the tight ends have

492
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Speaker 4: kind of been, you know, the focal point of of

493
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Speaker 4: what they've been doing so far. You just you didn't

494
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Speaker 4: see a lot of action for Booty or Douglas in

495
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Speaker 4: that last practice. It was you know, primarily going to

496
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Speaker 4: the tight end. So I think that's where the intrigue

497
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Speaker 4: of the offenses more so than I know, we were

498
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Speaker 4: all kind of excited they took a couple of six

499
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Speaker 4: round flyers, but I think really the the interesting thing

500
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Speaker 4: is they just they didn't. They never got anything out

501
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Speaker 4: of John who Smith. So you know, it's not hard

502
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Speaker 4: to to talk yourself into Gasiki being an up upgrade

503
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Speaker 4: all that. I didn't have a more production and he

504
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Speaker 4: just looks more athletic. I mean, John Who just never

505
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Speaker 4: looked more naturally to me, never looked natural. UHSICKI is

506
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Speaker 4: a tall drink of water, but he's athletic, and uh,

507
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Speaker 4: I think that's the interesting element that we see too.

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Speaker 6: We haven't seen him at Yeah, I saw Kasiki. He

509
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Speaker 6: was down there for media day today briefly with his

510
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Speaker 6: shirt off, very thin.

511
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Speaker 4: How many apps.

512
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Speaker 9: I mean, I really don't understand you.

513
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Speaker 5: But I mean, but he definitely looks like a big

514
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Speaker 5: wide receiver rather than endure you.

515
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Speaker 4: Yeah, basketball guy.

516
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Speaker 3: Maybe you just watch them the way that they've used

517
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Speaker 3: him in a few of these practices. Just looks so

518
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Speaker 3: much more natural running routes and catching the football than

519
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Speaker 3: John Who ever did no question. Johnny is a I

520
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Speaker 3: think that one thing that really surprised me with him

521
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Speaker 3: was how robotic and how much he fought the football

522
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Speaker 3: at times.

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Speaker 12: Yes, and didn't fight the football gets sick just I

524
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Speaker 12: mean they were using him like to bring him into

525
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Speaker 12: little tight motions and then have him run routes out

526
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Speaker 12: of stacks and bunches and things like that, like that's

527
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Speaker 12: a wide receiver role.

528
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Speaker 3: That's not that's not things that tight ends do. And

529
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Speaker 3: he just looks smooth, natural. I'm excited about what they're

530
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Speaker 3: gonna do with both those guys. They're they're a little

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Speaker 3: bit they're a little similar, So I'm interested to see

532
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Speaker 3: how that kind of works itself out. Neither one of

533
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Speaker 3: them is a true hand in the dirt. Yeah, that's

534
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Speaker 3: you know, in line tight end. And I don't know

535
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Speaker 3: how well that's gonna play off of each other, but.

536
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Speaker 4: That's interesting to me. Evan was was just reading an

537
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Speaker 4: old quote from Bill O'Brien back in I think it

538
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Speaker 4: was twenty eleven, when you know things are really humming

539
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Speaker 4: along with Gronkowski and Hernandez, and you know, he just

540
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Speaker 4: kind of gave a rudimentary description of what he's looking

541
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Speaker 4: for and you know, he said, you got to have

542
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Speaker 4: a wide tight end who can block. Yeah, and you know,

543
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Speaker 4: Hunter Henry, I think he improved last year, but I

544
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Speaker 4: don't think that he's ever going to be a guy

545
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Speaker 4: that that really is a plus blocker in that way.

546
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Speaker 4: So another area that they might need.

547
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Speaker 7: You kind of hope that Hunter Henry gets back to,

548
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Speaker 7: you know, being more productive well, I mean the whole

549
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Speaker 7: offense as a hole in the red zone, but more

550
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Speaker 7: productive in the red zone. I feel like his first year, yeah,

551
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Speaker 7: he had double digit touchdowns and now you know, obviously

552
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 7: last year as a hole, they struggled there. But you know,

553
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Speaker 7: even if he's not the best blocker, you know, he

554
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Speaker 7: was able to scare a few touchdowns his first year.

555
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think, you know, like everybody says, like,

556
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Speaker 4: you know, the reason that they struggled sometimes on offense

557
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Speaker 4: is lack of talent, And I mean there's certainly I

558
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Speaker 4: think that that's true to a degree, but I think

559
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Speaker 4: that you know, even in twenty twenty one, they were

560
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Speaker 4: a serviceable red zone offense, yep, but you see last

561
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Speaker 4: year what happens when you don't quite have the talent

562
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Speaker 4: and you don't have the scheme anymore. You don't have

563
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Speaker 4: the way that you know, Josh McDaniels was able to,

564
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Speaker 4: you know, catch teams off guard or you know, maybe

565
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: spring a surprise play here or there that you know,

566
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Speaker 4: scored them some points in the red zone made him

567
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Speaker 4: a little bit more productive. They felt the you know,

568
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Speaker 4: the worst team in the leagu last year in the

569
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Speaker 4: reds What was the percentage of touchdowns they scored from

570
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Speaker 4: outside twenty yards? It was like it was pretty high, right, Well,

571
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Speaker 4: that's you know, and that goes back to the point

572
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Speaker 4: we said earlier. You know, they would hit some big plays.

573
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Speaker 4: They hit some plays down the field last year. You know,

574
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Speaker 4: Algilorea had a few, Parker a few, but you know,

575
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Speaker 4: it just it just was like that's a.

576
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Speaker 6: Little easier for them than when they're in the redone.

577
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Speaker 9: Well, it's just because they could not score in the

578
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Speaker 9: red zone at all.

579
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, and I.

580
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Speaker 8: Think the difference two years ago is they ran the

581
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Speaker 8: ball much more effectively in the red zone. Damien Harris

582
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 8: had fifteen rushing touchdowns and I think largely that was

583
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Speaker 8: missing last year. And I think the reason that was missing,

584
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Speaker 8: the reason that they made so many mistakes in the

585
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 8: red zone how many falls starts?

586
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Speaker 9: Yeah, how many fall starts, you know, and all of

587
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Speaker 9: a sudden, you know, instead of second goal from the three,

588
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 9: it's second to goal from from the eight, and you

589
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Speaker 9: can't run anymore, right audiences.

590
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Speaker 3: Worst night there is like first in goal from the fifteen.

591
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Speaker 3: It's like, what do you do?

592
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Speaker 13: You know?

593
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Speaker 8: They took their biggest weapon away from them in the

594
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Speaker 8: red zone, And I'm not saying that was the only cause,

595
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Speaker 8: but I just think that was a big part of it.

596
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Speaker 8: The amount of penalties they had in the red zone

597
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Speaker 8: last year, Yeah, was in sacks.

598
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Speaker 9: You know, they would take a sack or some negative

599
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 9: places and kill you.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of coaches would say that

601
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Speaker 3: they would either rather just skip the red zone or

602
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Speaker 3: get it inside the five. Like being from like the

603
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Speaker 3: sixth to the nineteen is where you don't want to

604
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Speaker 3: be because it's so compact in there to pass the ball,

605
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: and if you're not going to be a great power

606
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: run team, then what do you really do gonna do

607
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: down there in that area of the field.

608
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Speaker 8: So and I don't think they ran the ball in

609
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 8: general last year as well as they did the year before.

610
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Speaker 3: No, they did not, I mean any part Remandre did,

611
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Speaker 3: but yes, all by himself.

612
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was exactly doing it on his own.

613
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Speaker 5: And you know, back to Pell's point with the mistakes,

614
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Speaker 5: you know, that's been kind of the story of the

615
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: Patriots the last couple of years, maybe three years, is

616
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Speaker 5: mistakes that other teams used to make, you know, but

617
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 5: now the Patriots are making him and that's something they

618
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 5: need to clean up. And you hope that Bill O'Brien

619
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Speaker 5: coming here, will you know, have a hand in, you know,

620
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Speaker 5: cleaning up those those mental eras that they've been having

621
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Speaker 5: over the last couple of years.

622
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Speaker 7: I feel like there were not only mental Arizon offense though,

623
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Speaker 7: they were also on special teams who just kind of

624
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Speaker 7: especially last year.

625
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point, you know, special teams. Ever,

626
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Speaker 5: you know what Rendon Schooler, who we all love, but

627
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 5: you know, he'd make as many bonehead plays as he

628
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 5: would grape la plays. You know, you got to clean

629
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 5: that up. You know, you're not that good where you

630
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 5: can afford those. You know, you can't overcome them as

631
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 5: easily as you used to. So see Mac Jones out there,

632
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 5: I don't know what he's actually doing, but he's running.

633
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 5: He's doing like a little I was run of a

634
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 5: move something, a Taylor Swift move maybe.

635
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

636
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: So no James Robinson that I have seen.

637
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 9: I have not seen him, and I got.

638
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: To be honest. I look, I it's it's OTA's there's

639
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: no prads whatever, all the caveats. But I didn't really

640
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: think that he had much juice out here at the

641
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: last couple of practices that we've seen, and now he's

642
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: not out here at all in this practice. I mean, yeah,

643
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: at what point do we start talking about that Achilles

644
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: and maybe that it never came back for James Robinson

645
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: because it certainly didn't look like it came back last year.

646
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 6: To be honest, Unfortunately, during these practices, the teams are

647
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 6: not required to, you know.

648
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 5: Put out injury reports. Sometimes it leaks out through the

649
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 5: agent or whatever, but so you just never know why

650
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 5: a guy isn't at practice.

651
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I Alswoll should say. There's reports going around

652
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 4: right now too that they are resigning Justice Tavai. So

653
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: Jelani Teva's brother is they cut him two weeks ago.

654
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: Now he's back, so undrafted rookie. Kind of funny too,

655
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 4: because we talked to Tavai on Friday and what was

656
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: it like for your brother, I was awesome. What's next

657
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 4: for him?

658
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 9: I don't know.

659
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: So here we are Monday. He's back on the team.

660
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 4: So weird, there you go.

661
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 5: That happens a lot in the offseason, guys go they

662
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 5: tell you, you know, don't pack your bags.

663
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: But that I mean, assuming you know, nothing's happening with

664
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Speaker 4: with James Robinson or anybody that that would put them

665
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: in ninety players officially, So you know, a little bit

666
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: of a grain assault with the d J Fluker stuff,

667
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: not like you know, all right, we're going to get

668
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: him in right away kind of thing.

669
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

670
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 9: Well, DeAndre Hopkins, yeah yeah, we should mention Hopkins a

671
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 9: little bit.

672
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: I do.

673
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 7: I do think it's kind of interesting that Bill confirmed

674
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 7: that he has been in communication with him.

675
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 9: Yeah.

676
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, you know, it was reported that he's going

677
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: to be coming for a tryout or workout this week.

678
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, Evan, I was listening to you

679
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: and Alex on The Catch twenty two on Friday, and

680
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: you brought up, you know, the three boxes that got

681
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: checked for the Patriots, according to what Hopkins stress, you know,

682
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: was important for him, And yes, yeah, once you wanted

683
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: to go over that, well.

684
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: I mean look, there's three boxes that he said publicly,

685
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: and there's obviously the fourth box that we can all

686
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: connect the dots on, which is money. But besides, he's

687
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: not going to come out and say that side of

688
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: it necessarily. But I think the three things that he

689
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: said that were important. One that he wants a stable management.

690
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: He's been through a lot of different regimes in his

691
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: career and he's looking for a team that has a

692
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: top to bottom stable upstairs, as he put it, And

693
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: I I think the Patriots clearly checked that box. And

694
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: the second one was a quarterback that loves the game,

695
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: and he really went into more detail into it in

696
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: a longer answer, but he said that he doesn't need

697
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: an elite quarterback. You know, he's done it with the TJ.

698
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: Yates's and the Matt Shobs and the you know those

699
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: types of guys, so he doesn't necessarily feel like he

700
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: needs to play with Patrick Mahomes to produce. But he

701
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: wants a quarterback that is a football junkie. Is a

702
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: guy that's going to be here at six a m.

703
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: And put in the work and do all those things

704
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. And as much as you could say that,

705
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: you don't believe in mac Jones or you don't think

706
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: he's the guy or whatever. I don't think his work

707
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: ethic or his love for the game has ever been

708
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: in question, So I feel like that's something that he

709
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: checks as well. And then the last thing was great defense.

710
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: He feels like defense wins championships, is what he said,

711
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: and he wants to go to a team that has

712
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: a great defense. And I think, for maybe more reading

713
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: between the lines here, just a team that has three

714
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: phases that are all pulling the rope at the same time.

715
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: I think throughout his career it's kind of been up

716
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: and down, especially in Arizona. I was like the offense

717
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: was good for a while, the defense wasn't as good,

718
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: and you go back and forth with that. So I

719
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: think the Patriots check all three of those boxes. And

720
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: now it just comes down to money and contract and

721
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: are they willing to meet his demands in that department.

722
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, in terms of what he's looking for for

723
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: his next team, I think that kind of describes the Patriot.

724
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 5: Honestly, I agree, And it's almost like he scripted it

725
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 5: just so you know, in case the Patriots were listening,

726
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 5: Hey I'm interested, and you know, well.

727
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: I want to highlight. I got to do the Paull

728
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: thing and then highlight on Mike g Reese thing. But

729
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 4: you know, Reese highlighting doesn't like to practice. I thought

730
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: that that was interesting this weekend. You know, just that's

731
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: something that I know, everything Evan said is right and

732
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: there isn't really a reason to say why not. And

733
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: I thought Reese, of all people, was the only one

734
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: to really kind of throw a little bit of cold

735
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: water on it of the idea of why the Patriots

736
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: may not want to make the move.

737
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: Well, and any team hasn't jumped, you know, like they

738
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 5: could have traded for him before he was released as well,

739
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: and no team has jumped, And so you know that

740
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: could be one of the reasons that I think that.

741
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: Was more contract related. I mean, he was due that

742
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: nineteen million dollars that nobody wanted to pay. But I

743
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: love rees legend. I hate the practice thing. I'm not

744
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: paying DeAndre Hopkins to practice. I'm sorry, like, well, but

745
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: this is an Alan Iverson moment.

746
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't want a guy coming in who's

747
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: going to be making a lot of money, who's going

748
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: to be like that. And I'll bet you if he

749
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 5: did come, he would be like that.

750
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he would be at all. But

751
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: my general, my overall point to that is a I

752
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: agree with you, Fred one hundred percent that I think

753
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: he would be bought into the program at least for

754
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: this year. If you want to talk about what it's

755
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: like two or three years down the line, if you

756
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: sign him out that long, then that's a different story.

757
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: But I think for this year he'd be invested and

758
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: he'd be here. But at the end of the day,

759
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: you're paying players like DeAndre Hopkins for Sunday. You're not

760
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: paying play for DeAndre Hopkins for Monday through Saturday. And

761
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: he'll put in the work and be ready to play

762
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: on Sunday, even if he's not practicing at the same

763
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: level that you know, the Mario Douglas is practicing at

764
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 3: or whatever.

765
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 6: I mean.

766
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: We talked about it on Thursday's Patriots Unfiltered Show. You know,

767
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: when they traded for Randy Moss and in O seven

768
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: the word out of Oakland or LA was I forget

769
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: which way they were at the time, Oakland that you know,

770
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 4: he might have been dogging it that that word was used.

771
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: But he got here and he wasn't. He was a

772
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 6: good teammate. He was a good practice player, although he

773
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 6: didn't practice much in the training camp. Got hurt, but

774
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 6: there was no problems there. And I think that, you know,

775
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 6: you bring in Hopkins and at least for the first year,

776
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 6: he'll he'll, you know, make an effort to be bought in.

777
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 7: I also think people are are different everywhere they go.

778
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 7: Like there are some people that might be a certain

779
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 7: way at one team and they're totally different at this team.

780
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 5: They start to get sick of it, they start to

781
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: dig their heels in, you know, and and that it

782
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 5: happens especially with wide receivers, you know, the divas of

783
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: the NFL. But listen, I'm all for signing them. I

784
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 5: you know, I want to sign them.

785
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 4: I'm all for it too. I think, I mean, my

786
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: point bringing it up wasn't that I think he doesn't

787
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: want to practice. I just think that it seems like

788
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: somebody maybe wants it out there that he doesn't want

789
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: to practice.

790
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, to talk about what we would we would prefer,

791
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 8: I think is irrelevant. I think when that stuff gets

792
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 8: gets written like that, I think there's a reason it's

793
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 8: written like that. I'm sort of not I'm not anticipating

794
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 8: it right now. I was much more optimistic, I think

795
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 8: on Friday, I wonder I kind of thought I kind

796
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 8: of went into the weekend thinking that we might get

797
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 8: some news that WHOA, the Patriots actually swooped in, they

798
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 8: talked to him, and they're going to sign them. They're

799
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 8: not waiting for him to go to Nashville and talk

800
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 8: to Mike Rabel and the Titans, which I think is

801
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 8: happening today, right, yep. I thought there was a chance

802
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 8: that you might hear the Patriots reaching an agreement with

803
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 8: him over the way weekend. So instead of seeing that,

804
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 8: why did you think that? Because I thought, why would

805
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 8: you put it out there that you're gonna meet with

806
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 8: a guy after he meets with another team.

807
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 9: I thought that was odd, and that in the meantime

808
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 9: we get we get.

809
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 6: A you're assuming, you're assuming that the Patriots put it

810
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 6: out there.

811
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 9: But they certainly weren't unhappy with another coach would have

812
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 9: not not commented on it today.

813
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 6: They weren't happy with it.

814
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 8: But anyway, No, no, I think they were happy with it

815
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 8: based on him addressing it today.

816
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe maybe because he had to, But.

817
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 9: I've seen Bill many times say, we don't comment on

818
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 9: guys that aren't on our rosters. Yeah, it's a blanket

819
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 9: statement that he uses for pretty much all.

820
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that, you know, I think uh Hopkins

821
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 6: went to the trouble of actually getting himself an agent,

822
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 6: so I think he probably thinks, you know, I owe

823
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 6: the agent and myself the chance to see, you know,

824
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 6: go to the teams and not get signed early. You know,

825
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 6: the Patriots. He hasn't been here yet.

826
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: This is the first time that he's a restricted free

827
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: agent in his career because he was traded from Houston

828
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: to Arizona, so he's never been a UFA officially. So

829
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: I honestly think that, plus just knowing a little bit

830
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 3: about his personality, he might like it that these teams

831
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: are you know. You know, he took an Instagram.

832
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 8: Absolutely no interest at all, and all of a sudden,

833
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 8: two teams in twenty four hours are meeting with him.

834
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 9: I absolutely agree with Evan. I think he loves it.

835
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: He posted on Instagram last night that he was in

836
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: Nashville and he's in this like decked out sprinter van

837
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: and there's.

838
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 9: Like the country music yeah.

839
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it says like welcome to you know, Nashville

840
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins and it's there's a photoshop of DeAndre Hopkins

841
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: and the Titans jersey in the van.

842
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: Is the Street Team minivan available?

843
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 9: Fred Counter?

844
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: So somebody, yeah, somebody made the joke that that Bill

845
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: will send a cab.

846
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, to pick him up at the price.

847
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's funny.

848
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 6: No disrespect to the prius.

849
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: It's just I do think that there is a little

850
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: bit of that going on, that he wants to be wooed,

851
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: he wants to be whined and behind. I don't think

852
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: that he is looking to just to just make this

853
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: decision quickly. And I also think that this prolongs it

854
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: past the off season program, which is not a mistake.

855
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he has any desire whatsoever to be

856
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 3: out there at these practices right now.

857
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: So can I just say something, I just real quick,

858
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: like what's going on? It just cracks me up that

859
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: we like, wait for mini camp. It's mandatory mini camp.

860
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: Everybody's got to be here, and they spend like the

861
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: first ten minutes like running with rubber bands and pulling

862
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: weights like it's like nothing that like is of any

863
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 4: interest really just to kick things off. But Paul Bill

864
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: said that this morning, let me live the lie and

865
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 4: every year will be reconfirmed for me.

866
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 7: To your point, is that why people are you know,

867
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 7: going away from it or not keeping all three days?

868
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: It could be, you know, we've got enough done during OTAs.

869
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 6: We don't really need to extend it.

870
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, realistically, you have one guy here,

871
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: Matthew Judon, and otherwise it's it's the same group, you know,

872
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 4: like that's really the only difference at least as far

873
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: as like what's going on is that Judon.

874
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 6: Is here or you know, it could be like, hey,

875
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 6: we had great attendance during ot A, there's no reason

876
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 6: to have these mandatory mini camps. Now we say teams

877
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 6: going away for it.

878
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: How many teams are actually you know, canceling mini camp?

879
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 9: A handful five or a handful?

880
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, it's more than in

881
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 6: the past.

882
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 9: And I don't remember anybody doing it in the past.

883
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, and now I think you also see teams, you know,

884
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 8: eliminating a day here or there. And the Patriots have

885
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 8: done that many times sure in the recent past.

886
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 9: They did it last year.

887
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 7: Ye.

888
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 8: So we'll see if we end up doing Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

889
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 8: I mean that's what the schedule is as of now.

890
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, we'll see if that ends up holding well, if.

891
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 4: They're working hard here today, then maybe they'll they'll cancel

892
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 4: it with the sprints.

893
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: Between the lines, it seemed like they're going to practice.

894
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 7: All Yeah, I think just because they lost those two

895
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 7: days of OTAs, I'm thinking that they might do all

896
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 7: three days.

897
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so too. I think so too.

898
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 9: Was there something at the press conference that you're reading

899
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 9: between the lines.

900
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, we'll see, but it sounded like they

901
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: had some work to do, and I'd be pretty surprised,

902
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: kind of along with Tamarrow is saying, you know, you

903
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: get those two practices taken away. So maybe if if

904
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: they had the full OTA slate, they might take one away.

905
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: But I mean maybe.

906
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: I'm old school, but I think they need it, like

907
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: you know.

908
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: I like, I think it's one hundred three practices.

909
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 4: Get the team together. A month, you know, six weeks

910
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: before training camp opens is the last hurrah. Everybody's gonna

911
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: get a vacation. You get your break after this. You know,

912
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 4: this is this is a team that missed the playoffs

913
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: last year. There, you know, they got a new offensive coordinator.

914
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 4: They got a lot of young pieces that they would

915
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: love to, you know, assimilate on the defensive side of

916
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: the ball, it seems like most immediately. So I just

917
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: you know, from a team buildingue perspective, from getting everybody

918
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: ready for training camp, I think you got to keep

919
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: them in. I don't like, you know what, what what's

920
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: the media reaction going to be around here if they

921
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: cancel wins. I mean they're gonna get.

922
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 6: Killed for I don't care about that.

923
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: But you know, well, I think that the you know,

924
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: the talk show folks would would use as an opportunity

925
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: like all right, we're good, we're yeah, we're all set,

926
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: we're all set.

927
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 9: You will do that. But Bill doesn't care what them.

928
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, in that in that regard like my shows, yeah.

929
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, fall shows, My shows will have it.

930
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 6: Fall shows will definitely that's I mean, they're.

931
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 9: Gonna do it anyway.

932
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: No, we're good, we're good.

933
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 8: If they practice on Wednesday, they're gonna say, obviously they

934
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 8: knew they were way further behind, and they were last year.

935
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 5: Right, That's just the nature of my show is Mike

936
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 5: eight five five, Pats five hundred is the ACE ticket

937
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 5: hot line. You can call the show just like you

938
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: would any unfiltered show. Let's go to Christian in LA.

939
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 5: What's up Christian?

940
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 14: Hey you guys, good morning and happy Monday.

941
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah we can sorry, yep, okay.

942
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 14: Three three quick questions. One with the table of facts

943
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 14: that we have and the guys we have up front,

944
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 14: what do you guys think would be the most productive

945
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 14: running too?

946
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 15: You know why?

947
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: You know why?

948
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 7: Why?

949
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 14: But team uh one that we tried to year?

950
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, whatever they did last year, don't do that.

951
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll keep going.

952
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 14: What did you guys think it is mac Jones's best throw?

953
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 14: If he throw the well, well, what is it best?

954
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 14: And then question of the three? If he hops if

955
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 14: they come here, and I hope, oh god that he does,

956
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 14: don't let him out of the building. Get him here.

957
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 14: I agree. It was kind of weird after hearing the

958
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 14: fighters say that they are they're gonna see him to

959
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 14: announce it. Wouldn't that just motivate the Titan not to

960
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 14: let him out of the building if they want him?

961
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 14: But anyway, okay, sorry Hopkins. What's that line? Do you

962
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 14: guys think would make a successful dining in season?

963
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 6: Thank you guys?

964
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 14: Picking up the air?

965
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 6: Okay, thanks Christian.

966
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: Uh, just just for the record, we didn't the Patriots

967
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: didn't announce that DeAndre Hopkins is coming brough.

968
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 6: Is it right?

969
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 8: I feel I feel that is uh Ian rapperport I

970
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 8: Rapport reported it, but there was no formal team announcement

971
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 8: that DeAndre Hopkins is coming for a visit.

972
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 6: One of them correct, that was not what you wrote.

973
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: So Hopkins, uh stat line that you you say, Okay,

974
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 5: that's that's a good season.

975
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean you got to be north of

976
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 4: eighty cashes. Yeah, it's no question.

977
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, clear cut number one guy.

978
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 5: Does he become the first wide receiver for this team? Yes, yeah,

979
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 5: you know, like he will be the day if he signed.

980
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 5: But does he live up to those expectations? And if

981
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 5: he does, that's it, that's a success.

982
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. I'm not as to what

983
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: running skime. I had no idea. I couldn't.

984
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 9: Jones is a great question too. I want to say,

985
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 9: maybe a slant, but I mean I.

986
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: Think anything, I don't know. I think a deeper throw,

987
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: touch under it, you know, like I think I think

988
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 3: he on so I don't think he drives the ball

989
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: down the field very well on a straight line.

990
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: And he does have good touch.

991
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: Is a pretty deep ball. He was able to get

992
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: air under it and drop it in the bucket, whether

993
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: it's like a deep cross or even just a go ball.

994
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, more so than the goes. I like the crossers.

995
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Henry, those couple of ones, you know, not

996
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: the gotta have some.

997
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 3: Air under it the same. That's a little bit of touch.

998
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: But the deep crosses is what he made a killing

999
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 3: on at Alabama. I mean, he just those fast receivers

1000
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: just running in straight lines across the field and him

1001
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: just throwing it those pillow he touch passes, you know,

1002
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: drop it in the bucket style. I think that that's

1003
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: probably his best throw.

1004
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 5: But you know, one of the things that Mac has

1005
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: had trouble with is that down the seam throw. He

1006
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: doesn't always see where the coverage is coming from. And

1007
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 5: in practice, you know, he's been picked off several times

1008
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: with that particular throw. So he's gonna clean that up.

1009
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1010
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 8: Now, he did connect with as I just Peter Brady

1011
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 8: voice there, he did connect with Hunter Henry.

1012
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 9: He did on one. Now.

1013
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 8: I do think think that was one that Fret's talking

1014
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 8: about where the defense sort of was there and stopped.

1015
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 8: I think it was Miles Bryant clearly was in position

1016
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 8: to make a play on that and pulled up and

1017
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 8: stopped to avoid contact. So I think that's something that

1018
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 8: I know Bill O'Brien wants that. He wants that as

1019
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 8: Evin I like to use your phrase in his bag.

1020
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 8: He wants that as as part of his his attack.

1021
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 8: So I'd be curious to see if they continue working

1022
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 8: on that and if mac Jones improves on it.

1023
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: That's really the vertical element of a Bill O'Brien offense.

1024
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: You know, he's not a big isolation go ball type

1025
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: of guy because it's a low efficiency throw. So a

1026
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: big part of the vertical element of this offense is

1027
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: going to be up the seams, and if they want

1028
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: to hit some of that underneath stuff and layer it,

1029
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: they're going to have to make the seam a threat. Otherwise,

1030
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: why would any safety worry about the tight end up

1031
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: the seam? And then he's going to be all over

1032
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: the underneath throw, So.

1033
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: You'll want to over in the middle of the field,

1034
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: you know, whether your defense or offense. You know, that's

1035
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 5: uh if you if you can, if you own that

1036
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 5: middle of the field, you've got a lot of options,

1037
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 5: A lot of options see Zappi and a lot of

1038
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: options Mac Jones, But who's that nineteen?

1039
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 7: Is?

1040
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 9: Uh Tray Sorely?

1041
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're slowly easing into a little bit more football

1042
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 4: esque activities.

1043
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 6: Where's where's your guy? Dudes, Malik cunning.

1044
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: Where is Malik Cunningham? That's he's over there with the

1045
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 4: receiver guy. Yeah, I guess, but I'm gonna adopt him happily.

1046
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 3: The hype train is screeching halt.

1047
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah at the moment, how do you well? And Evan

1048
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: I was thinking about that a little bit, and I

1049
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 4: just I do wonder with his ankle, you know, if

1050
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: some of these guys weren't practicing in OTAs with the

1051
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: red jersey on, but they were, you know, maybe less

1052
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: than one hundred percent. I'm not sure if Cody Davis

1053
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 4: is still out here, but he's one guy that seemed

1054
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: like he would warm up in ots and leave. So

1055
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: I just I wonder if guy like Booty maybe.

1056
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 8: But I thought Booty started the OTA normal and then

1057
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 8: sort of went to a lesser prominent.

1058
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: I'm beginning to have even less less than zero expectations

1059
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: for for Booty doing anything for this team. I just

1060
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: what are your based off everything we have to go

1061
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: off of right now, which is not very much.

1062
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 6: I admit the.

1063
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: Second practice where nobody was here, there was no veteran

1064
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: receivers here, Like, can you make one play that that

1065
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: I can highlight and say, oh, you know, nice catch

1066
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: by kash On Booty here or whatever. I mean, Roley

1067
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: Webb is making place I could point.

1068
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 6: To right.

1069
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 4: The two.

1070
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 7: What are your expectations for time Montgomery being.

1071
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 10: Available this year?

1072
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 4: I expect he's going to be available for every game. No,

1073
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know available. But I thinks

1074
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: if he's healthy, I think he's I think he's going

1075
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: to be a key piece. I think they're gonna he's

1076
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: gonna be a rotational piece that gets plenty of touches

1077
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: this year. But if he stays healthy, that's the thing,

1078
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I thought he looked really good

1079
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 4: last year in camp and he did, you know, at

1080
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 4: least just as part of to help Remandre not have

1081
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 4: to do everything.

1082
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: He's he's the best pass catching back that they have

1083
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: currently on the team. I think, I mean, he's just reliable,

1084
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 3: like he just is in the spot that he's supposed

1085
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: to be in.

1086
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 4: He's going right now.

1087
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 9: It's a little bit.

1088
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: I think he's more versatile too than like a Brandon

1089
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: Bolden or somebody like that. You know, I hate compare

1090
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: to James White, so I'm trying to think of other

1091
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: guys to compare him to. But he's He's just seems

1092
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: very steady, reliable, good hands in the right spots. I'm

1093
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: not sure he's going to create very many explosive plays,

1094
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: but I think he's gonna be that safety valve of

1095
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: when the quarterback is looking to dump the pass off,

1096
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: he's going to be in the spot they expect him

1097
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: to be in.

1098
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: Good look of Bill O'Brien conducting things out there, and

1099
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 5: he was actually moving his arms like a conductor, and

1100
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 5: so was Mac.

1101
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 6: It was weird. I don't know what that means, but uh,

1102
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 6: they looked like conductors, dudes.

1103
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 7: He brought up a good point with like, you know,

1104
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 7: he could be a help for Remondre Stevenson, especially with

1105
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 7: Damian Harris gone. I'm just wondering, like why they would

1106
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 7: sign a guy like James Jobinson when you already have

1107
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 7: a guy who's kind of dealing coming out of an injury.

1108
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 7: I was hoping to get you know, someone healthy and

1109
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 7: explosive that can actually help Remandre, not someone who's going

1110
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 7: to be coming off an injury and might be good

1111
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 7: from last year.

1112
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1113
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's why you draft those guys, right,

1114
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: is to have them take over. And I will say

1115
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: Kevin Harris has looked okay.

1116
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 9: A couple I agree, I think. I mean I've seen

1117
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 9: a couple of little glimpses of him.

1118
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a little bit more than Pierre Strong, Yeah,

1119
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: at this point. But he had that little swing pass

1120
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: on Friday. I mean, that's a house coming at you.

1121
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 3: And when he gets up to top speed, and that

1122
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: was his game and he may he did.

1123
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 9: Evan's right. I mean for a bigger back, he had

1124
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 9: some big plays at South Carolina.

1125
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he just carries guys.

1126
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 9: You know, that's not exactly a conference that gives up

1127
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 9: a lot of big, big runs.

1128
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1129
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's under the radar kind of guy. Evan. I'm

1130
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 4: gonna see you up though, because I think he talked

1131
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: about Booty kind of fallen, you know, based on limited

1132
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 4: information from OTAs, but it seems like our boy Mapu

1133
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: is continuing to get some attention at least, you know

1134
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 4: what I noticed from some of the early reps. It

1135
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: just it just seems like he continues to kind of

1136
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 4: be around with the top dogs.

1137
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a long time since I've been this

1138
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: excited about a guy on the defensive side of the ball,

1139
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: Like offense is usually more my thing, and defensively, it

1140
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: just seems like he has the skills and the instincts

1141
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: and the body type to give them exactly what they've

1142
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 3: been missing at the second level of that defense. Somebody

1143
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: that is a true sideline to sideline player. And maybe

1144
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: he plays a little bit of role spying quarterbacks when

1145
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: they do play those more mobile guys. But you can

1146
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: just see the instincts, you know, the pick that he

1147
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: had and practice on Friday where he just jumps the route.

1148
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: You know, he just knows what he's looking at, and

1149
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: he knows how to how to really explode out of

1150
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: his stance and make plays. And I'm really looking forward

1151
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: to seeing him hit some people once with pads come

1152
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: on and once we get into week.

1153
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 5: One, so as you can see, we had to turn

1154
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 5: our cameras inward. The video portion of the show is over,

1155
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 5: so now our listeners are more reliant on us than

1156
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 5: ever we're now their eyes and ears about what we

1157
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 5: see out there.

1158
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 9: So now you're gonna get some seven on seven.

1159
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, so now we're gonna get the good stuff. We

1160
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 6: see Mac closest to us seven on seven.

1161
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones, Christian Gonzalez.

1162
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 6: Yeah. How was Gonzales looked to you guys athletic? Yeah?

1163
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean nothing hasn't really made a you know,

1164
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 4: a splash player or anything like that, Like you know,

1165
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 4: Mapu had the interception, so nothing that really a wow moment.

1166
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: But but you know, he comes as advertised. You knew

1167
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 4: he was super athletic, and it looks like he can

1168
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 4: run and drop his hips and change directions really quick.

1169
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 6: And you know those keeping track Mac is one for one.

1170
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 4: Oh there we go.

1171
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1172
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wonder how much with Gonzalez right now, he's

1173
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 3: just kind of trying to get a feel for everything

1174
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 3: in the speed of the game and and what his

1175
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 3: role is going to be and all that type of stuff,

1176
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: because I see him out there almost thinking they're wrapped

1177
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: through more than actually going out there and flying around.

1178
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: So I wonder how much that we'll see that more

1179
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: in training camp where he really starts to be able

1180
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: to play free.

1181
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like right now he's definitely a sponge

1182
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 7: more than anything. And I from all the press conferences

1183
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 7: that we've listened to, just he's masked a lot of questions.

1184
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 7: I think, you know, out out here on the field,

1185
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 7: obviously in the classroom as well, and so I think

1186
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 7: that to your point, Evan, that's probably exactly what you're seeing.

1187
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, we talked a little bit about Mapho with Evans's

1188
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 8: newfound crush, and I thought that was interesting. Like the

1189
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 8: first day that we got to watch when they did

1190
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 8: this drill right here the seven on seven's that we're watching,

1191
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 8: it was Juwan Bentley with Mapo as the linebackers. Since then,

1192
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 8: we've seen more of Mapu as a safety and right

1193
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 8: now it's Mac Wilson inside with with Bentley. You haven't

1194
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 8: seen a ton of Wilson in the last year. During

1195
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 8: the season we did, we saw him in that kind

1196
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 8: of a role. So I wonder if there's still singing

1197
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 8: matching with or if they're deciding that we like him

1198
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 8: on the back end more. When Evan talked about that,

1199
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 8: like he made that play he made in the passing

1200
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 8: game on Friday that was as a safety that he

1201
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 8: jumped at and slanted and took it for would be touchdown.

1202
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 9: So yeah, I think this is two ways. Evan. You'd

1203
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 9: rather see him closer to the line, I assume absolutely, Yeah.

1204
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: I want I want to see him playing in the

1205
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: box like the Bills, you know, use a Matt Milano

1206
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: or you've seen Dion Jones in the past, Like that's

1207
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 3: what the defense is missing.

1208
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: They got they got.

1209
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: Safeties that that fit that that archetype up the wazoo.

1210
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: I mean, Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, Jabreal Pepper's, Joshua Bledz, Like,

1211
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 3: how many more of these, like two hundred and twenty

1212
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen pounds safeties do you really need?

1213
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 3: So I would much rather see him play at linebacker

1214
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 3: next to Bentley. You got the hammer in Bentley. Now

1215
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: you got a guy that can go sideline to sideline

1216
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 3: and chase people down. It just seems like they would

1217
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: fit really well next to each other.

1218
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 7: Well, Evan, and I know you say, like, how many

1219
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 7: do they really need? But you've seen how fast these

1220
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 7: guys drop like flies, like especially you know, halfway through.

1221
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 10: The season, So it's kind of nice to have a

1222
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 10: guy who if you need him to he can fill

1223
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 10: in those gaps.

1224
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder if that's sort of where we're

1225
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 3: at right now, is just having him learn both positions

1226
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: so that in case he does have to fill in

1227
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: for somebody at safety, then he has that ability to

1228
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: do it. I just I think defensively they get so

1229
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 3: much better if he's an impact player at the second

1230
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: level and playing in the box. Then on the back end,

1231
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: I you just look at guys like Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Dak.

1232
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 3: I mean, their their schedule is filled Patrick Mahomes with

1233
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: with guys that can move and that are athletic. And

1234
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: if they're gonna be able to put up a fight

1235
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: defensively against those guys, they're gonna need somebody like Mapu

1236
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: to step in and shadow some of these quarterbacks.

1237
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 4: Well, we're about to get a look here because it

1238
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 4: looks like Maphu might be going in a linebacker. Perhaps

1239
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 4: you thank you seven seven periods, so maybe maybe don't.

1240
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 9: Don't go any further back, Like, yeah, he's inside, He's

1241
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 9: going to be inside with Tavai Yep, yep.

1242
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 4: This I like so note chewed on in these drills.

1243
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 6: Ailey Zappi the quarterback.

1244
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 4: Interesting to have Pierre Strong and Time Montgomery out there

1245
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: pony package unless you count, unless you count Time Montgomery's receiver,

1246
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 4: and then it's just regular.

1247
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick taking an interest in this particular drill.

1248
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, Montgomery's definitely a receiver in this drill.

1249
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: I don't have any other receivers playing in the slot.

1250
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I wonder too though, how much I mean,

1251
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: I you know, my big drum I beat a lot

1252
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 4: this off season, was trying to get quicker, get some

1253
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 4: inside quickness for the offense, and I wonder if that's

1254
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 4: kind of a way to try to manufacture some with

1255
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 4: Montgomery in that spot. It seems kind of like that

1256
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 4: that kind of player.

1257
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: That play by Mapu there though, is exactly why I

1258
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: want him at linebacker. They just dump it off to

1259
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: first in the in the flat, and he's got that

1260
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: ability to play that that underneath zone and on those

1261
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: and those in the past sometimes for the Patriots that's

1262
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: like seven eighty yards. If that becomes three yards, you know,

1263
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: that's a very big difference when you're talking about early

1264
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: down defense.

1265
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 4: Is can we look at Mac right now like that?

1266
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 4: Like this is what I think Greg Gadar talks about

1267
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 4: a little bit where you know, he kind of just

1268
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 4: just standing by himself with the twenty five yard line.

1269
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 4: Looks like he's going through some stuff. I mean, he's anything,

1270
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with it. I just you know, it's just

1271
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: interesting the way he's kind of going about things, standing

1272
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: by himself. But he's definitely doing something yeah, oh yeah,

1273
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 4: some type of progression mental repping right now for sure.

1274
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 4: I mean I wonder if he's getting the call he's

1275
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 4: here in the call into ZAPPI, yeah, and then he's imagining,

1276
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 4: you know, what he's doing, but he's not even watching

1277
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 4: them go, right. But it's just interesting.

1278
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: It's an interesting question to ask him, like we're talking

1279
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: to him after practice today. Yeah, not to make it

1280
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: into what what Paul's shows makes it into, but just

1281
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: what are you like, clearly he's doing something mentally going

1282
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: through the rep right now, So what is it?

1283
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 7: What?

1284
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 6: What are you doing?

1285
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 7: You know?

1286
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 3: I think that would help people understand why.

1287
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to watch him in conjunction with that,

1288
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 4: He's doesn't really seem like they're on the same schedule though,

1289
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: So I always like to.

1290
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 9: Watch some of the personnel groupings and is that thirty

1291
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 9: nine Rodney.

1292
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 8: Randall's Yeah, he made a play about two plays earlier

1293
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 8: than that.

1294
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 9: But I just find it interesting. You know, sometimes you

1295
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 9: like to pick out the guy, you know what.

1296
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 8: It's like one of these things doesn't belong and one

1297
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 8: of these things surprises you a little bit. I don't

1298
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 8: know a whole lot about Rodney Randall. Yeah, and you

1299
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 8: see him out there with the second group that you know,

1300
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 8: includes some guys, you know, like Jack Jones and Jabrill Peppers.

1301
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 8: So it's not like he's out there with all the

1302
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 8: opportunity guys. It's guys that are going to be playing

1303
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 8: a role in the defense. Yeah, maybe they're giving him

1304
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 8: a little bit of a look here, all.

1305
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: Right, talking to downstairs, do we have time for a

1306
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 6: break here?

1307
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 9: Do we have a wonderful friend?

1308
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 6: Okay, why don't we take a break while they do

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Speaker 9: Live from Patriots Mini Camp.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 5: We're back here live high above the Patriots practice field

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Speaker 5: at mandatory Mini Camp.

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Speaker 6: And while we're away.

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Speaker 4: They got back at the seven and seven and Mac

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Speaker 4: had a nice play to one Hunter Henry outfield.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's exactly the past that Evan was talking about

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01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 8: that he felt just the best ball that Mac throws,

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01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 8: and I would agree when he has that layer and

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Speaker 8: he's able to put a little touch on it, I

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 8: think that's generally a pass that he throws with a

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Speaker 8: lot of accuracy. And that was kind of a deep,

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Speaker 8: deep cross out towards the sideline over the linebackers in

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Speaker 8: front of the defensive backs.

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Speaker 9: Would have been a nice game. And then he just

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Speaker 9: followed it up with one with a little more zip

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Speaker 9: on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to was that one for ex No, that was Kasiki.

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Speaker 3: So they just ran like the levels, like Hunter Henry

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Speaker 3: at the first level, Kasiki at the second level, which

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01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 3: I can tell you in twenty eleven was the play

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Speaker 3: they probably ran a thousand times with you know who

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Speaker 3: in Gronk. So that that's a Bill O'Brien, I let

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Speaker 3: you say those names. That's a that's a Bill O'Brien's

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Speaker 3: special right there. So these tight ends up all we

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01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 3: were talking about it in the break, I mean, how

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Speaker 3: many passes are these? Yeah, Like they're gonna catch a

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Speaker 3: ton of passes.

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Speaker 4: These two guys and Mapo back at safety now they're

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01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 4: the little cover two looks. Yeah, I'll over the place. Well,

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01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: I mean, is it I don't know. I mean White

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01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 4: has we talked about key On White, you know, getting

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01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: some looks at outside linebacker, but he's kind of stayed

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Speaker 4: in one spot. I mean, Mapu is the only guy

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Speaker 4: that has been taking reps a multiple different I think.

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Speaker 3: That's the part that's so encouraging because you don't want

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01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 3: to get you over zealous about the actual you know,

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01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: results on the field at this time of year. But

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01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 3: they clearly trust him to start doing all these different

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01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 3: things and do use him in different spots, and that

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01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: tells you that they have a plan to play him

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 3: quite a bit. You know, if they're they're thinking of rookie,

1415
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Speaker 3: bring him along slowly, red shirt, that type of thing,

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Speaker 3: then he's not gonna be out there with all these reps.

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Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, Well it's I mean it's they Bill said

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Speaker 4: last week taking you know, trying to drink from the

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Speaker 4: fire hose. I mean I guess he's uh, he's able

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Speaker 4: to do it.

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Speaker 3: I mean more like a garden host.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is very interesting though.

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01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 5: Once again, you know, now Zappi's back in and Ma's

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01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 5: way behind the play with his back to it, just

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Speaker 5: going through those reps. So it's you know, you should

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01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 5: ask him like what are you doing? Yeah, at that

1427
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 5: point I saw Bill O'Brien talking to him when he

1428
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 5: came off the field, going over some things.

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Speaker 3: If Jack Jack Jones just stays off Twitter, he's gonna

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a player for this team this year.

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Speaker 10: I think there are a few like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, after what happened down in the stretch

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01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 3: last year, I just slog off, slog off.

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Speaker 4: It's like one of those guys who just needs a

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01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 4: camp where you're out there every day. You know, there's

1436
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 4: no issues. It's just consistency. You know, so many of

1437
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 4: those guys, it's usually the rookies. But for him, the

1438
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 4: way that year ended, just to come out and be

1439
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 4: out here consistently, I think that's that can put the

1440
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Speaker 4: last year behind him.

1441
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 8: You know.

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01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 5: See, you can you can email this show at web

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Speaker 5: radio at pages dot com. Jacket and Arbor says, for

1444
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 5: the love of God, after going through an entire last

1445
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 5: year without reliable production at left tackle, now Trent Brown.

1446
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 6: Is injured and it's only mini camp.

1447
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1448
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 6: We don't know if we just know he's not here,

1449
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 6: but we don't know why.

1450
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 4: So but there's got to be a reason because this

1451
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 4: is mandatory mini camp. So there's a story there somewhere,

1452
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: whatever it is, if it's excused or not excused, whether

1453
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 4: he's hurt, whether he wants more money, oh nice, throw that.

1454
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 6: Look, there has to be a reason, and it could

1455
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 6: be a good reason, you know.

1456
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's funny we talk about Booty not

1457
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 4: doing anything. I mean, Malie cunning him, ed Lee, these guys,

1458
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 4: these guys are doing more.

1459
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 8: This is my point, Like, I haven't seen anything from

1460
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 8: the two sixth round picks, but I've seen those guys

1461
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 8: cunning him a little bit less.

1462
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 9: But ed Lee a little bit rolly web a little bit.

1463
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 9: They show up every once in Yeah.

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01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to be fair, that was a terrific read

1465
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 3: by Bailey's Abbey the spot and you know, they they

1466
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: covered the underneath with the underneath shallow, and he just

1467
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: knew that that was going to be there. He let

1468
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: it go maybe a step or two early, and hit

1469
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 3: him right on the numbers. I mean that those are

1470
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 3: the types of throws that that Bailey does make I

1471
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: think a little bit more consistently, those anticipatory throws where

1472
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: he trusted a little bit more. He just to notice

1473
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 3: that I a little bit from him. I was say

1474
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: more than Max sometimes.

1475
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's a big that's a big thing. If

1476
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 5: you know, you trust, trust the play, trust the receiver,

1477
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 5: you have.

1478
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 6: To do that. In the NFL. The windows are.

1479
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 10: Devon making an appearance.

1480
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think James White's here, so I wouldn't be

1481
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: surprised if Devins also.

1482
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is no wait, that's that's Jason. That's Jason.

1483
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 10: I can't see. Do you have binoculars on the defense?

1484
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 4: Walking right here on the back line of the end

1485
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 4: Zone's Jason mccordy.

1486
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: You can tell them tell that is our retirement house.

1487
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 9: Start.

1488
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 6: That's Devin.

1489
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Speaker 10: That's definitely Devon.

1490
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 7: Also, when he came out to practice last time, I

1491
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 7: was like, excuse me, sir, you don't have.

1492
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 4: You can't be here, you can't be here away I

1493
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 4: gotta say, this is my my thing. I bet you

1494
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: mccordy right now is probably still pretty happy he's not

1495
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 4: doing this. But I think when late July rolls around,

1496
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 4: and those early training camp practices.

1497
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Speaker 6: I think that's when, Well, when you retired from Everett,

1498
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 6: did you still go back to practices and stuff?

1499
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 9: Nope, him in back sense, not even for the statue

1500
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 9: or the induction or no.

1501
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 6: No, Yeah, I figured Paul wouldn't be back.

1502
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: He can't. He gets mobbed. I mean, you know, it's

1503
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 4: like celebrity.

1504
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 6: He doesn't want to be a distraction after the young

1505
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 6: kid the quarterbacks.

1506
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like top five Everett celebrities. Brian Kelly.

1507
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 9: That is really not true.

1508
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 8: Also, I think I've said this on the podcast in

1509
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 8: the past. It's not like Everett Sharon and there's only

1510
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 8: or four people.

1511
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 4: It was unnecessarily but in.

1512
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 3: All seriousness, Paul, we've been going to the Blossies a

1513
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: lot and really yeah, oh yeah all the time. It's

1514
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 3: still good of course.

1515
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1516
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: And there's a wall of fame of Wiggie's up there

1517
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm like.

1518
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: No, what do you mean, No, got not even like

1519
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 4: he ate the nineties. We got to get your picture

1520
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 4: up on that wall.

1521
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 6: We got some wind going this punt.

1522
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 5: The punt they're in special teams right now, and uh,

1523
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 5: punt got blown right off the field.

1524
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was not any good kick by Colas Weightman.

1525
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, got hung up.

1526
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: I have to ask Alex what the heck time was

1527
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 3: on that one?

1528
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 5: And Billow and Joe Judge Is continues to be very

1529
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 5: vocal with special teams, and it seems that at least

1530
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 5: this part of the uh ot as, that's been his role.

1531
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you if I was if I was

1532
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 4: an idiot who didn't never watch this team just set,

1533
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 4: I would say he's the special team's coach. And Cam

1534
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 4: cortus As.

1535
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 9: Somehow came up with a promotion.

1536
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 7: So Fred, Yes, a report came out that it Lawrence

1537
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 7: Guy is allegedly not here because of the baby.

1538
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 6: Oh okay, all right, that's what I told everyone.

1539
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 10: It's believed to be contract related allegedly.

1540
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, you say it's not because not because

1541
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 4: of the baby.

1542
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 10: Contract contract related?

1543
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 6: Baby has a contract.

1544
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 4: So he just signed in the gap.

1545
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 9: What is that the all time record? Is that the

1546
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 9: all time record for a whole.

1547
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: You want to he's for two gaping on the defensive line.

1548
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 4: I mean, and and also put it in context though,

1549
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 4: I mean what he's I think he signed a four

1550
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 4: year deal two years ago. I mean, he just signed

1551
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 4: a lng tero. I mean, it wasn't a lot of money,

1552
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 4: but but how do you renegotiate at this point when

1553
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 4: you're kind of what is he like thirty two.

1554
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 6: Thirty three?

1555
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: Anything getting overpaid?

1556
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 6: Right?

1557
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 10: I am just reading the court.

1558
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe hood that another guy that came from Maybe

1559
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 8: he sees with another guy who two gaps are living

1560
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 8: gone last year.

1561
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 6: As long as it wasn't like, you know, patriots.

1562
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 3: We should mention the one guy that has was sort

1563
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: of limited and the OTAs and Marcus Jones is out

1564
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 3: here and no red jersey or anything like that. So

1565
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,560
Speaker 3: I've seen him quite a bit already. He's at the

1566
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: returners right now, but I I can't believe.

1567
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 9: That has he handled one yet.

1568
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: I haven't seen him take one because.

1569
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 9: He was with the group, but I haven't seen him

1570
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 9: take a rep yet.

1571
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: No, that is that is true?

1572
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 8: Wow, And we haven't seen Barringer, who didn't take part

1573
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 8: in the last couple of OTAs that we got a

1574
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 8: chance to see.

1575
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 9: It's been all weaitment in this special teams. I wonder

1576
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 9: bearing your dealing with something. I saw him in a yes,

1577
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 9: but he's here, he's right there. But I haven't seen

1578
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 9: him kick yet.

1579
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's frustrating because you just don't know the story

1580
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 5: behind each guy, why they may not be practicing or.

1581
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 4: I got to imagine Mike Whees is going to get

1582
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 4: the Trump Brown news too, because they.

1583
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 8: He usually Yeah, I mean listen, speculation time, right, Yep,

1584
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 8: I'm joking around. But last year round training camp time,

1585
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 8: Devon gotcha right, and an extension that we all sit there,

1586
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 8: sat there and said, Wow, that's a lot of money

1587
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 8: for a run stuffing defensive lineman. And meanwhile, Lawrence Guy

1588
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 8: was a couple of years in to his run stuffing

1589
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 8: defensive lineman contract that wasn't I'm not telling you that's

1590
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 8: why he's not here. But if that's what Mike is

1591
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,719
Speaker 8: alluding to, I think it's not hard to connect those dogs.

1592
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: He's doing three million dollars in cash this year, which

1593
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,520
Speaker 3: if you're a starting defensive lineman in the NFL's.

1594
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 9: That's like that's good money.

1595
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 3: It's I don't know. I mean, I have a tough

1596
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: time with that because they have younger guys Dietrich Wise,

1597
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 3: Kean White, Christian Barmore that if Lawrence Guy doesn't want

1598
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 3: to be here, then you know, past the Torch and

1599
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 3: I great player, you know, twenty tens, all decade, Patriots

1600
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: team nominee, all that kind of stuff.

1601
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I I I will admit, I think,

1602
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 4: you know, Lawrence guy is near the end. But I

1603
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 4: do still think he's got you know, some good football

1604
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 4: from what they need from him. I just don't see

1605
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 4: the guy though, to replace him, Like I think you're

1606
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 4: kind of asking Sam Roberts, has he got anything in

1607
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 4: year two? Is Paul Davis anything?

1608
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 6: You know? I don't know. I mean, guy was okay

1609
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 6: last year, but was he that much better than.

1610
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 7: That?

1611
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 6: Much better?

1612
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 7: No?

1613
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 4: No, No, I mean I would I'd probably say Gotch

1614
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 4: I was, but those but those two not much.

1615
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 8: But yeah, those two guys, I do think their run

1616
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 8: defense was improved last year. I know the quarterbacks killed them,

1617
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 8: but I mean conventional run defense. Yeah, I thought they

1618
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 8: were better last year than they had been in recent years.

1619
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 8: And to Mike's point, those are the two guys that

1620
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 8: do what I would add Carl Davis to that mix

1621
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 8: when they when they really go to a run, you know,

1622
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 8: in an obvious run situation, those three guys are out

1623
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 8: there to get Yeah, And I don't really think of

1624
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 8: the others as that kind of player.

1625
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: They're a good traditional run defense. Like if you just

1626
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 3: line up and try to run, run the running back

1627
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,919
Speaker 3: through the hole against them, like they can make stops.

1628
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 3: But I'm just okay with them passing the torch to

1629
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 3: that spot. If he's going to hold out and make

1630
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 3: a thing about his contract.

1631
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 8: I don't think those guys are worth much more than that.

1632
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 8: I Like I said at the time last year, I

1633
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 8: thought they gave too much to God Show.

1634
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so have you got to love this? This is

1635
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 4: a little front work and.

1636
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 3: I didn't know how much I could talk about it.

1637
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 4: Well, moor Mapu at linebacker, specifically in a bass run stopping.

1638
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 6: So they're doing.

1639
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 3: Inside six, which is just the front seven versus the

1640
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: offensive line and tight ends. Can I say, who's that

1641
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 3: quarterback or is that I wouldn't.

1642
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 9: I wouldn't. I would just call it like a good

1643
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 9: old fashioned nine on seven drill and move along.

1644
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 3: They're they're they're doing some some stuff.

1645
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 9: Yeah, but is this looks for that? This is kind

1646
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 9: of this maybe maybe we can do it this way.

1647
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 6: That's okay.

1648
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 4: Defense.

1649
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 8: One of the things that has given the Patriots defense

1650
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 8: and problems in recent years has been you know, the

1651
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson you know, uh, you know that that that

1652
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 8: kind of quarterback designed quarterback runs read options whatever you

1653
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 8: want to call them, however you want to define them,

1654
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 8: r p o's, uh, you know, regular read options whatever.

1655
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 8: I think they're going over some of that stuff right now,

1656
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 8: defensively using Evans boy mop who as potentially a guy

1657
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 8: with speed and physicality to play, you know, against the

1658
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 8: scheme like that.

1659
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 9: Is that dancing around it?

1660
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 7: No?

1661
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 4: I think that's perfect.

1662
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 3: Can we say that there's another rookie that's involved maybe

1663
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 3: at a.

1664
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 8: Okay, so maybe some people might have thought one of

1665
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 8: the undrafted rookie free agents that they signed would.

1666
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 9: Be good in the scout kind of a situation for

1667
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 9: that maybe something like that. He might he might rhyme

1668
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 9: with Sunningham.

1669
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 3: To me, this is this is why Sunningham is here.

1670
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's what I'm saying.

1671
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 8: A lot of people thought that Malie Cunningham would be

1672
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 8: a guy that could be valuable in a scouting sense.

1673
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 3: And all I gotta say is all over this right now,

1674
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 3: and I am enjoying it. But that that's the whole

1675
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 3: thing about like the wide receiver thing with with Sunningham

1676
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 3: that I always.

1677
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 6: Am just like, let's let's like that one. Let's cool it.

1678
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to let's let's cool it with all

1679
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 3: the wide receiver stuff. But this, this actually could add

1680
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 3: some inherent value to having him here on the practice

1681
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 3: squad because he he clearly is a natural at this

1682
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 3: sort of thing. And you also wonder if it gets

1683
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 3: to it and we're in season and their red zone

1684
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 3: rushing and short yard rushing stinks, Yeah, like, does this

1685
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 3: become a roster spot and a little package like that

1686
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 3: sort of thing. I think it's also sat I think so.

1687
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 7: Too, Especially when we were going through the draft process,

1688
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 7: I was really highlighting dtr and saying like he could

1689
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 7: be a good fit because you already have two guys

1690
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 7: that are kind of the same and at the quarterback position,

1691
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 7: so it'd be great to have someone else with a

1692
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 7: different skill set that can bring something else to the team.

1693
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 10: So Sunningham fits the bill for that.

1694
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 4: I just I think defensively for me, and I'm sure

1695
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 4: out to seeing them practice this kind of stuff right now,

1696
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 4: and to have Mapu in the middle of it, it's

1697
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 4: it's it's checking my boxes. Oh yeah, this is like

1698
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 4: they need to work on this stuff. It's kind of

1699
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 4: like it's kind of one of these moments where you

1700
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 4: feel like, right, this is kind of coming together like

1701
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 4: we thought it might and you know, hopefully continue.

1702
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is that That's the whole thing

1703
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 3: is you often wondered not to like, you know, be

1704
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: a jerk about it, but it's like how much do

1705
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 3: you practice against this? And you know, is it something

1706
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 3: that you do need to invest the squad spot on

1707
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 3: the Malie Cunningham to to be able to practice a

1708
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 3: little against it a little.

1709
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 7: Bit more and early they were aware with their weaknesses last.

1710
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 8: Year, and they're also doing a little bit will be fair,

1711
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 8: they're doing a little with mcsli as well.

1712
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 9: And he is more of a runner.

1713
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 8: At Penn State, he was just kind of a college

1714
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 8: football player, not necessarily a polished quarterback. He was more

1715
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 8: of a runner, you know, kind of a gamer, do

1716
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 8: what it takes to to get the job done. So

1717
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 8: maybe they're kind of looking at both of those guys,

1718
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 8: you know, and seeing who you know, what kind of

1719
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 8: looks they get from from either one of them. But

1720
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,799
Speaker 8: you know, defense, you know the seven they have on defense,

1721
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 8: Judon is out there as part of this, right, So

1722
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 8: this is not you know, you know Tavais is a

1723
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 8: physical linebacker. He's out there as part of it. Daniel

1724
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 8: Aqualley up front, think Barmore was out there. So this

1725
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 8: is not guys that don't project to make the roster now, this.

1726
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 6: Is to give the defense looks correct and mentioned it too,

1727
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 6: Chris Board.

1728
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 4: Chris Board is over there, so you know, I know

1729
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 4: we all talked about him in special teams, but I

1730
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 4: do think he's a guy that you know, does have

1731
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 4: some maybe uh possibility to play a little linebacker if

1732
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 4: you need him to.

1733
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 6: Alex Writes in Suffield, Connecticut. Quick question, have we seen

1734
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 6: City saw play a tackle at all? And what have

1735
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 6: we seen from the Mario Douglas.

1736
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 5: I expect him to take over from Marcus Jones on offense,

1737
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 5: but curious if we are seeing anything more.

1738
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, City South or City, Sue, I think is our city?

1739
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 9: So City?

1740
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 4: So it's so now we like do So City, so

1741
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 4: that should be easy for me. Yeah, we've seen him.

1742
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 4: We've seen him at tackle, We've seen him at a

1743
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 4: right tackle, and not much out of Douglas. I mean

1744
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 4: he was active. I think maybe the first day caught

1745
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 4: a couple of passes.

1746
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 8: We actually have him at U but that's it. No,

1747
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 8: we have him at tackle right now. Yeah, he's at

1748
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 8: tackle right now as we speak.

1749
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 3: This is uh, twos versus ones. It seems like maybe

1750
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 3: a little bit.

1751
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 6: Pig in a tackle setting.

1752
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 9: Nice Freddy. As far as Douglas, we have not seen

1753
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 9: a whole lot as a as a Max seem to

1754
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 9: Hunter Barkley.

1755
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 5: But Doug writes in after watching what you have been

1756
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 5: able to see in these practices, does the panel feel

1757
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 5: better or worse about the overall possibilities of the team

1758
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 5: making a playoff run way too early?

1759
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 9: I would say incredibly irrelevant.

1760
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1761
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 4: The only thing I would say as far as that

1762
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 4: goes is I just I feel a little bit more

1763
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 4: encouraged about the building blocks on defense, especially some of

1764
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 4: the rookie guys that just seem like they're getting a

1765
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 4: little bit involved. I still feel exactly the same about

1766
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 4: the offense. I think it will be well coordinated. I

1767
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 4: think they know what they're doing with Bill O'Brien. What's

1768
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 4: the ceiling? Is it good enough? Can they really you know,

1769
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 4: move the ball against good defenses and put up big

1770
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 4: scores and points in crunch time? I have no idea

1771
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 4: on that, but I like some of the pieces they've

1772
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 4: added on defense, and I'm intrigued.

1773
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 6: According to Sam, who says, according to Mark Daniels, Trent

1774
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 6: Brown missed a flight and that's why he's not here.

1775
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 6: Oh boy, that's not good either. That's not uh look

1776
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 6: looked upon kindly.

1777
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 4: No, you got one job.

1778
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 8: You got one mandatory three days of practice. It's certainly

1779
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 8: not an excuse. But I'm also very dubious of that.

1780
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 8: Oh that sounds like it came directly from an agent.

1781
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 7: It says he's not holding out. His flight got canceled

1782
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 7: due to a hailstorm, per.

1783
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 9: Source otherwise known as Trent Brown's agent.

1784
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the answer to that from the team

1785
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 5: would be, why did you pick a flight that was

1786
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:30,839
Speaker 5: so close to practice?

1787
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 8: You should have Yeah, that's what's well regardless, even if

1788
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 8: it is the absolute truth, right, it's no excuse.

1789
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 6: Nope, nope.

1790
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 3: Doing a lot of under center play action right now

1791
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 3: in this portion of this practice not not full speed,

1792
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: but it is still interesting to see some of the

1793
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 3: schemes that they're they're building in off of the play action.

1794
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 8: So, Freddie, one of the things you you asked us

1795
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 8: right at the start of the show, is some of

1796
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 8: the things we're hoping to see. Yeah, Evan just touched

1797
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 8: on something I'm hoping to see at least some portion

1798
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 8: of this three day camp at more of a high level,

1799
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 8: like high speed, even though they're not in pads and

1800
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 8: anything like that. I'd like to see it run a

1801
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 8: little bit more to the tempo that we'll see it

1802
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 8: for real, Yeah, just to get a better idea, you know,

1803
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 8: with the defensive backs sort of playing it honest, not

1804
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 8: jumping routes and knowing what's happening, and the offense not

1805
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 8: being forced to catch the ball because that's what's supposed

1806
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 8: to happen. I'd like to see a little bit more,

1807
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 8: but I'm not holding my breath for that.

1808
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:38,440
Speaker 5: Would you be surprised if what they're doing with Cunningham,

1809
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 5: I'll just say it right now, is the Eagles offense.

1810
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, like probably part of it.

1811
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a lot of the schedule.

1812
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, they're going to play a lot of these

1813
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 3: these guys that can move around in these mobile quarterbacks,

1814
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 3: so they're everywhere.

1815
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 4: Now. I wonder, Paul, if this is almost set the

1816
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 4: stage kind of thing for are they going to do

1817
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 4: like a real twenty four hours after this and then tomorrow.

1818
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 4: All right, we kind of got things ready, set the

1819
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 4: stage on Monday. Now Tuesday we kind of get after

1820
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 4: and then maybe Wednesday they given off. I don't know.

1821
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 4: I hope, I hope you're right, it'd be nice.

1822
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 3: I just love like what I've seen so far of

1823
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 3: some of the different periods that they've had throughout OTAs.

1824
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 3: In mini camp, you can tell like the foundational building

1825
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: blocks of like what are their core sort of concepts

1826
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 3: and informations and things, and that is just so not

1827
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 3: the case last year and this year. I can pick out, okay,

1828
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 3: like this is what they're working on now is one

1829
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 3: foundational element, and then in the seven on seven they're

1830
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: they're kind of running what their third down elements and

1831
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 3: their passing game elements are going to be.

1832
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,799
Speaker 6: We've got eleven and eleven going, which.

1833
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 7: Is everything that we've heard in the press conference. This

1834
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 7: is normal, Like there's a good flow of communication. Everyone's

1835
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 7: on the same page.

1836
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 10: We know what we're doing.

1837
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 7: Like it's those phrases that have been used by everybody

1838
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 7: that you see what happens when you have an actual

1839
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 7: guy who knows offense running the things.

1840
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I kind of agree with fred on that. I

1841
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 8: think we saw things last spring, they just didn't do

1842
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 8: them effectively. You know, in the spring they it looked

1843
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 8: like this, only different plays, but then when they got

1844
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 8: to training camp and the regular season, they they didn't

1845
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 8: they didn't have those at the execution of that foundation.

1846
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 8: But you know what Evan's talking about now, like you

1847
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 8: see them. You know in one of these the period

1848
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 8: going on now with Mac Jones leading the offense, they're

1849
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 8: trying some misdirection stuff, a lot of screens, a lot

1850
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 8: of delays, you know, things like that that we hadn't

1851
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 8: really seen a ton of in those OTAs.

1852
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 9: Just another how did you put it?

1853
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 7: That?

1854
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 9: Just another fundamental building blocks foundation. Yea.

1855
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 3: What they're doing right now is straight McDaniels like this

1856
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 3: is you know, right out of like the old Patriots,

1857
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty one playbook of under center, hitting tight ends,

1858
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,560
Speaker 3: you know, working across the field out behind the linebackers.

1859
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 3: And that's refreshing because last year they were trying to

1860
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 3: run play action to hit the deep the deep ball.

1861
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 3: They were trying to get single high structures and then

1862
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 3: throw it down the field off play action. This is

1863
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 3: back to getting to attacking the second level of the defense,

1864
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 3: the intermediate part of the field, off of all these fakes,

1865
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 3: which I think is where it fits the quarterback, it

1866
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 3: fits the personnel, Like, that's where I really feel like

1867
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 3: they want to be.

1868
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, they finished that with a little little screen pass.

1869
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 6: Was that that caught that Remandre? Okay?

1870
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 9: For a loss of four?

1871
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 6: Do you think so?

1872
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, there was a five blue shirts in the

1873
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 9: back of the negative.

1874
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 8: No, but this is my point, Like I want to

1875
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 8: see them running these for real, like clearly, clearly the

1876
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 8: defense knew exactly what was happening there, and they completely

1877
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 8: blew the play up.

1878
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 7: You know.

1879
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 4: It's like we got a special teams period cover.

1880
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1881
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 8: I mean they can't really get blocked now, you know, none,

1882
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 8: that's more of a laments than a negative. I'd rather

1883
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 8: see it kind of run live and get a better

1884
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 8: gauge of what would happen.

1885
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 3: A little balls.

1886
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 9: Curity action, you know, Okay, right, important, gotta do it

1887
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 9: all some quick little hooks and then they cut up

1888
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 9: against two defenders.

1889
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is a Georgia drill. To call it

1890
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: the hook drill, and you can see like the defender

1891
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 3: coming from behind. This is it really simulates exactly what

1892
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna have in the open field. I think this

1893
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 3: is the best ball security drill in in football, and

1894
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 3: it's it's everybody does it now. You know, this is

1895
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 3: something that's really popular now. And I watched the Kirby

1896
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 3: Smart breaking it down and coaching Arcas Jones loses one.

1897
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:43,879
Speaker 5: Oh he's doing push ups.

1898
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 6: As a result.

1899
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, this drill is is such a staple. They do

1900
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 4: it all the time.

1901
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 8: And I think it's interesting that the Patriots have their

1902
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 8: offensive end defensive players both catch the passes.

1903
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 9: You know, it's like you know, you pick pick, you

1904
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 9: picked off a pass and you're in traffic. You know,

1905
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 9: what are you doing?

1906
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 6: How many times did they have a sure pick that

1907
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 6: was dropped last year? At least a couple of times.

1908
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 8: Well, I'm talking about more in terms of the ball

1909
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 8: security element of it, like Evan was talking about with

1910
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 8: the two defenders coming out of the hook and they're

1911
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 8: trying to strip the ball away, you know, like Tory

1912
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 8: Brown against Marlon McCree.

1913
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 6: Right.

1914
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 3: I mean when you think about it, when you're on

1915
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 3: the open field, like you're gonna you're probably gonna lose

1916
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 3: the football, because you get caught from behind, You're not

1917
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 3: gonna like a guy coming straight on onto you that

1918
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 3: you see coming is probably not gonna dislodge the ball.

1919
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 3: It's gonna be somebody that peanut punches in from behind.

1920
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,759
Speaker 9: That's a great legacy that he has. Huh, everybody.

1921
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 6: Everybody calls it a peanut peanut punch.

1922
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 8: You see it so much now though, like even in

1923
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 8: high school. The kids do it now, and you hold

1924
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 8: your breath on any big play when there's a defender

1925
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 8: coming from behind.

1926
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 4: So Barons you're not only has the glasses, he's also

1927
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 4: got a tinted face shield. He's he's what is he

1928
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 4: trying to do to getting all I'm getting all excited

1929
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 4: about this punter.

1930
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: He hasn't even punted the ball.

1931
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 4: I don't need him to put glasses.

1932
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 7: And and.

1933
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 9: Now that was negative. I'll tell you what I'm being negative.

1934
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 5: Gold In terms of weather, pretty good day for practice

1935
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 5: if you're a player. It's not too hot, overcast right now,

1936
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 5: so you don't get that sun beating down on you.

1937
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 4: Not great for Corlis weightman, though his punts have been.

1938
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 9: Yep that we had some more punting work now we

1939
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 9: touched on it.

1940
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 3: Earlier, But what is your genuine opinions on Joe Judge?

1941
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 9: He's basically the special coordinated That's why I think you

1942
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 9: got promoted.

1943
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 4: He looks exactly like he looked before he left. Ye,

1944
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 4: like right in the middle of it.

1945
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: I know he's such a has such a negative connotation

1946
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: with his name right now, but everybody wanted to change

1947
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 3: at that spot, right, I mean, like so many fans.

1948
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 3: I feel like, why is Cam McCord still have a job,

1949
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 3: And like, I'm not trying to pick on Cam Accord

1950
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 3: or Joe Judge, but clearly they saw it too, because

1951
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 3: he's got some real reinforcements at the very least.

1952
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 4: I just wonder when they announced he's running, because they

1953
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 4: haven't officially given the coaching titles yet, I do wonder

1954
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:24,759
Speaker 4: if it will still list special Teams coordinator for Cam Acord.

1955
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 9: Yeah. I wonder that too, because what you got Joe

1956
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 9: Houston too.

1957
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 4: I mean you got another guy. I mean you have

1958
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 4: so you got three guys coaching special teams.

1959
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 8: Got three guys, yeah, Matthew Slater said, and you got

1960
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 8: Matthew Slater now. The first day he said, you know,

1961
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 8: it's great to have Joe working with us and and

1962
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 8: he said with with Cam and Joe.

1963
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, hey, the more the merrier, because the Special Teams

1964
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 7: was not good hash here outside.

1965
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 10: Of Orcus Jones.

1966
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 3: Now, I just know that he is such a bad

1967
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 3: rap right now, and I totally understand it. But I

1968
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 3: mean when he was here the Patriots Special teams, when

1969
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 3: Joe Judge was the Special teams, they were top five,

1970
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 3: top ten in d v A, like every year that

1971
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 3: he was a special team's coach, they were one of

1972
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 3: the best.

1973
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 6: Well, yeahs just.

1974
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 5: Didn't have to worry about special teams, you know, And lately,

1975
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's an adventure and it shouldn't be.

1976
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: Ed Lee back deep at Lee.

1977
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 4: He's been active. I mean he's but he's been here

1978
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 4: like not even two weeks, but he's been. But he's

1979
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 4: showed up a little bit.

1980
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 3: Such a classic training camp player.

1981
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,799
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're a local childress.

1982
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 6: Children's perfect.

1983
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 3: Usually every once in a while, Chris Harper ends up

1984
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 3: squeaking up.

1985
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 4: Don't bring up Harper's muff.

1986
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 9: Harper's muff bleak.

1987
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 6: So they're in the far field.

1988
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 5: The quarterbacks are working on a little some red zone

1989
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 5: action with looks like a Seci Hunter.

1990
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 3: Scottie Washington was over there earlier.

1991
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 5: Who's seventeen Washington yet? So the three of them are

1992
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 5: working with the quarterbacks, including Mac.

1993
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 3: I mean that last year the red zone offense, we

1994
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 3: talked about it earlier. Having those two tight ends should

1995
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 3: really help. And then you add DeAndre Hopkins into that

1996
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: mix too, and that that red zone offense should be

1997
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 3: a lot better.

1998
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, I did not have a Lawrence guy holding

1999
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 4: out on my my Bengo card for this spring. That's

2000
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 4: an interesting one. I wonder what's gonna happen though.

2001
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 8: I just thought it was interesting that in OTAs they

2002
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 8: were missing what fifteen twenty ish players every day and

2003
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 8: everybody was talking about Juju and Judon Trent and no

2004
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 8: one was ever mentioning Lawrence guy, who was not there

2005
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 8: in any of the days.

2006
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 4: I just well, he's like because I think that he's

2007
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 4: made it into that area where doesn't really you think,

2008
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 4: didn't make a lot of noise, Like you know, it's

2009
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 4: has been reliable, just as you know a thirty three

2010
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 4: year old guy that has signed it a long term

2011
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 4: deal that you know, maybe this is going to be

2012
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 4: it till the end. So yeah, it's certainly something gonna

2013
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 4: be on the radar now though stinks that Taekwon's not

2014
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 4: out here. That's the bummer.

2015
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 3: Reported that as a soft tissue injury.

2016
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 6: I don't like it.

2017
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 3: You never like to hear that, especially.

2018
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 4: After you spend all week like comparing him to Will

2019
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 4: Fuller and you know, it's like I can't help but

2020
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 4: like god, you.

2021
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 9: Know it's it's just you didn't have to take the

2022
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,799
Speaker 9: comparison that far right.

2023
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 3: With the speed guy though, that's just the.

2024
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 4: Last right, that's a hamstring, right, I mean that's where

2025
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 4: you hit your head goes right like, and it's just

2026
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 4: with a young player, there's nothing like you talk about

2027
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 4: what can we get from these practices, Like there's nothing

2028
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 4: worse for me than a young promising player who just

2029
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 4: isn't out here. Like that's just that's the worst part

2030
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:42,839
Speaker 4: of this practice.

2031
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 6: Yep.

2032
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 3: That's how you turn into just right guy that was

2033
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 3: involved and could catch, you know, sixty passes to a

2034
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 3: guy that's running wind sprints from the season.

2035
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 4: He's just not in the mix silver with Moses on

2036
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 4: the lower field doing like plisthenics.

2037
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah great, you just can feel it too, and he

2038
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 3: is not out there. The lack of vertical threat in

2039
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 3: this offense, Like he's the only guy that brings that

2040
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 3: juice to what they have right now. It's just everything

2041
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 3: is so hunkered down in the middle of the field

2042
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 3: and the tight end and the dig routes and the crossers,

2043
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 3: and but he's out there just even just a threat

2044
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 3: of it is just as old.

2045
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:21,600
Speaker 4: And we haven't seen Juju either, I mean, you know,

2046
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 4: and it's you know, like we talked about, it's not

2047
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 4: so much like, well, how good is Juju in this offense?

2048
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 4: It's just you know, what's what's his size look like?

2049
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a pretty good guy, Like you know what,

2050
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 4: what does that speed kind of does that? Does his

2051
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 4: speed pop a little bit?

2052
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 6: And he's got some sort of injury too, right.

2053
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 9: He finished.

2054
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 6: I mean he's here.

2055
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 9: He had a knee injury in the Super Bowl.

2056
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 6: I saw him this morning, So he's here. He's just

2057
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:44,480
Speaker 6: not practicing.

2058
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he injured his knee in the AFC Championship

2059
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 3: game and I obviously played through it in the Super

2060
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 3: Bowl over Josh Bloodstelle.

2061
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 6: High pointed it.

2062
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that that he can do.

2063
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 3: Scottie Washington, he's got to.

2064
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 9: He's a layer from trace mcsrely, there you go. That

2065
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 9: was not on my being called layer layered throw from

2066
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 9: the trace.

2067
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like it's either winding down or getting

2068
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 4: ready to ramp up. I don't know, God, what time

2069
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 4: is it, twelve thirty one, I've lost you.

2070
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 8: It seems like there's a good amount of time left.

2071
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 8: But this would be like a more of an opportunity

2072
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 8: seven on seven, that's.

2073
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 6: What it looks like. Yeah, well they haven't done any

2074
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 6: field goals yet, so that's.

2075
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 4: Or run over to the hill. I mean, do you

2076
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 4: really do conditioning? I mean, how much could con guison

2077
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 4: help when you're still a month out from camp?

2078
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 3: Like that's a big thing to me about like certain

2079
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 3: guys reporting, like some of these veteran guys, I don't

2080
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,680
Speaker 3: necessarily care about them participating in the practice, but that

2081
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 3: you just want to see, like how much you wag

2082
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 3: Trent Brown, like, you know, where are you at with

2083
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 3: your off season workouts? And because he hasn't been here

2084
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 3: that much, so you look at Trent Brown, even Lawrence guy,

2085
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 3: you know all these guys like are you are you?

2086
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 3: Is the arrow pointed in the right direction in terms

2087
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 3: of your your physical conditioning? Yeah, I think that that's

2088
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 3: almost it's just a check in.

2089
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 8: It's just a check Remember last year Mike g Reese

2090
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 8: had that, I mean voluminous uh long?

2091
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 7: It is for.

2092
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 4: Trade of mini cam nice nice throw by McSorley. Though,

2093
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 4: it's just right in there with the wind beat Sean Wade.

2094
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 3: Are we sure Sean Wade should be on a ninety

2095
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 3: man roster?

2096
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 9: Wow?

2097
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 3: Gets smoked every time he's out there.

2098
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 9: That turned he's Tray.

2099
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 3: Nixon versus and Trace mcsorly just.

2100
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 9: Going on just two years ago, three years ago, that

2101
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 9: we got to steal of that that trade.

2102
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 4: I always think that for a second.

2103
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 5: But Joey writes in I'm just gonna say it. He says,

2104
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 5: I think Kendrick Bourne. I think Kendrick Bourne is going

2105
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 5: to have a great year in will be your number

2106
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 5: one receiver? Or maybe it's the coffee caffeine talking.

2107
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 4: What do I know.

2108
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 5: I'm just a guy who sits behind a computer designing

2109
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 5: buildings all day all I think I have.

2110
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 3: A number one receiver Like to some people, I think

2111
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 3: it means different things than it means to others. So yeah,

2112
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 3: could he lead the team in catches like?

2113
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 6: Maybe?

2114
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 3: I guess? But is that a number one receiver or

2115
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 3: is it just the guy that leads the team in catches?

2116
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 4: You know, how did everybody feel about what he said

2117
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 4: on Friday about.

2118
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 8: You know, just not have thought it was brutally honest.

2119
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 8: But I'm not sure I loved like him saying at all.

2120
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 4: No, I didn't either, Paul, And I feel like my

2121
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 4: feeling now is that if Hopkins were to come, I

2122
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 4: think burns the guy out.

2123
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 8: Well, it's funny, I kind of thought the same thing.

2124
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be stunned if the email was right and

2125
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 8: that he has a good bounce back year in plays.

2126
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 8: I think it would be a bad sign if, like

2127
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 8: Evan said, if you're calling him your best if if

2128
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 8: you're not one receiver, you mean he he had the

2129
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 8: best year of your receivers.

2130
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 9: I don't think that would be a good thing, right.

2131
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 4: I just don't see how he fits in with if

2132
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 4: Hopkins came, and you know what you'd do with Hopkins

2133
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,759
Speaker 4: where he's you know, not really an outside receiver anymore.

2134
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 4: So Yeah, it's I mean, you're not gonna you got

2135
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 4: ju ju, You're you're clearly probably gonna have him as

2136
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,679
Speaker 4: your top slot. I just it kind of makes boring

2137
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 4: the fifth receiver, and it's you know, and he's just

2138
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 4: it's it's he's high maintenance, you know, like there's always

2139
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 4: kind of you gotta always have an ear out for

2140
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 4: what he's saying or what he's doing. And I don't know,

2141
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 4: I think it would.

2142
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 9: Come down to just how much faith they had in

2143
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 9: Hopkins if they signed him.

2144
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just as tough with either Born or Parker,

2145
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 3: because those are the two guys chopping block potentially if

2146
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 3: Hopkins signs, you can't just have one of those guys

2147
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 3: sitting on the bench for seventeen weeks because they can

2148
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 3: play on another team and they'll bitch, right, so they

2149
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 3: so they become malcontents.

2150
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 6: At that point.

2151
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 3: I think, and not in a negative way, that that's

2152
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 3: fair because they they could go to another team and

2153
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 3: be in there another team's top three. It's understandable, and

2154
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 3: I think that's the part I would I think I

2155
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 3: would like them to keep the depth if they could,

2156
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 3: just because they do have a thirty one year old

2157
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins, they do have Juju who has a little

2158
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,560
Speaker 3: bit of an injury history. Taekwon already heard again or

2159
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,560
Speaker 3: baked up again, So like it would be nice to

2160
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 3: keep the depth. But can you do that with while

2161
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 3: keeping everybody happy is a tough question.

2162
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm just taking a peek down in Dante's Inferno,

2163
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 4: And how does Adrian Klem look to you out there?

2164
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 7: Like?

2165
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 4: You know, it looks like he's not running back and

2166
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 4: forth between coordinating the offense and coaching the line, so

2167
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:38,759
Speaker 4: that's a positive.

2168
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks really chill to me.

2169
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2170
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 3: I thought he would be a little bit more. And

2171
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,839
Speaker 3: maybe it's, you know, because we're out here and he's

2172
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 3: trying not to be too intense. But he looks really

2173
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 3: chill to me. But one thing I really like about

2174
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 3: it is he seems to always be a sounding board,

2175
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 3: you know, every time they run a rep and maybe

2176
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 3: and go so high for like one of the younger guys,

2177
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 3: one of the rookies, it seems like they're instantly looking

2178
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 3: for Clem to to be like, what did I do wrong?

2179
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 3: You know, coach me up on on on whatever it was.

2180
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 3: And that's a good sign. I think it shows a

2181
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 3: little bit of trust is already being built there.

2182
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 6: It looks like he's doing a lot of teaching right now.

2183
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, well him and him and Billy Yates, right, I

2184
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 4: mean Yeah, a lot of teaching the guys that both

2185
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 4: played you know, played here played offensive line, big guys.

2186
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 6: Now we're doing special teams.

2187
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 9: Kickoff, Yeah, working on.

2188
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 4: The kickoff team when Joe Joe's running the show.

2189
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 3: Fair catch.

2190
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna be interested to see what they do again,

2191
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 8: although until they not have anybody kicking.

2192
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 9: There's I see folk now.

2193
01:36:46,560 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are so this is uh ooh camera cord

2194
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 4: bout of yelling stuck and hear him. Well, yeah, so

2195
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 4: we got the I guess people can't see. Yeah, yellow

2196
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 4: orange pennies and was that I mean Nick looked like

2197
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 4: nick folks got it to the end zone.

2198
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, this is a deep But he's kicking from

2199
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 8: the thirty five five of this field.

2200
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a true thirty five yard

2201
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 3: line or not. It looks like it might be.

2202
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he's kicking from the thirty five. Yeah, he

2203
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 8: does have a good wind.

2204
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 6: I think, Well, but is this a hundred yard field?

2205
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

2206
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 9: It may not be.

2207
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 8: But that's the thirty five yard line though, I mean,

2208
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 8: like you can see the ten yard increments.

2209
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 4: That's Ryland gives it a word.

2210
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's deep into the end.

2211
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 6: I think they did make this event. I think they

2212
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 6: did expand this to be one hundred yard field it

2213
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 6: used to be like eighty.

2214
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think they both.

2215
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 6: I think they're both one hundred yard.

2216
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're numbers like they are. I don't know why

2217
01:37:59,160 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 4: they would do that.

2218
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 6: Wasn't they were shorter? And I think they added to

2219
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 6: the grass metrics system.

2220
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 3: Is this a real kicking competition or is Chad Ryland

2221
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 3: just I mean, I don't know.

2222
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough to tell. I don't I mean,

2223
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 4: I think Ryland has the leg It.

2224
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 8: Looks like we've talked a lot about like the whole

2225
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 8: quarterback thing, like with with that third quarterback spot and

2226
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 8: things that you could do one game day.

2227
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 9: Like I I would think.

2228
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,560
Speaker 8: It'd be a waste of a roster spot to have

2229
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 8: a kickoff specialist and a field goal Yeah.

2230
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 3: I agree.

2231
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 9: I just don't know how to can have done that

2232
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 9: in the past.

2233
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 4: But I mean i'd be curious pressure the pressure kicks

2234
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 4: in training camp, you know, the kind of stuff of

2235
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 4: all right, to get the.

2236
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 3: Night off, I mean in steadium practice, you know.

2237
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 4: Nick nick Folk, I mean, he's gonna be steady, like

2238
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 4: you just wonder about Ryland. You know, how's he going

2239
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 4: to do when it's you know, when it's on the line,

2240
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 4: those kind of things. I think that's what they got

2241
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 4: to try to find out. Is this kid gonna be

2242
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 4: able to handle the pressure the pressure of it all?

2243
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 4: We know, Nick, folks might not give you a plus,

2244
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 4: but yeah, he can clearly.

2245
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 3: Kick the ball, Like in terms of distance, I think

2246
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 3: he's got a decent leg and seems like when they

2247
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 3: kick on those skinny posts that he's got a decent

2248
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 3: control of the ball too. But that's what it comes

2249
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 3: down to, Deuce is like, is he gonna be able

2250
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 3: to kick a forty eight yard er in December with

2251
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:18,560
Speaker 3: the game on the lote like, you know, you just

2252
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 3: don't know in these types of settings, if he's got.

2253
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 5: That Bill Belichick spending some time with whoever the guests are.

2254
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 5: I can't make out the logo on there. It looked

2255
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 5: like a Nitley Lion, but it's too far away from

2256
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 5: me to see.

2257
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 3: That does look like, uh kind of looks like the

2258
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 3: Penn State coach will playing on right now? Franklin, Right,

2259
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 3: that's he's.

2260
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:44,440
Speaker 9: Still names Franklin. Yeah, former Vendy.

2261
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 14: Y.

2262
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 5: Well, that would make a lot of sense because Bill

2263
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 5: has ties to Vanderbilt.

2264
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 6: In Penn state.

2265
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 4: The other bill.

2266
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

2267
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it does look like the state.

2268
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 9: Right, should I write that the guy that looked like

2269
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:06,839
Speaker 9: James Franklin?

2270
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 3: I mean, does that not look like James Franklin to

2271
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 3: the two?

2272
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 6: I don't know from Jimmy Franklin.

2273
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 9: I know what James Franklin looks like. I just can't see.

2274
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 9: This guy's way out of my range.

2275
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, binocularly, Yeah, I think it's possible.

2276
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 9: I can't afford that kind of stuff.

2277
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 4: I gotta go to thirteen dollars Walmart ones.

2278
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 6: But off the.

2279
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 8: Someday I might be able to afford. That'll put you

2280
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 8: on a painting plan, right, frivolous addition, big whistle, how

2281
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:38,799
Speaker 8: are we gonna.

2282
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 4: Get something fun here?

2283
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 3: And ended off some quasi still got about thirty minutes.

2284
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think we're that close to being done,

2285
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 8: unless it's gonna rap earlier than they thought.

2286
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like we're getting eleven on eleven.

2287
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 3: This looks like it might be real first, as far

2288
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 3: as I.

2289
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 5: Always got to put the disclaimer, you know, I hope

2290
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 5: we're gonna speed it up a little yeah, it looks

2291
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 5: like eleven and eleven.

2292
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, and they have you know, like all the players

2293
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 8: are going to the sidelines too, right, That doesn't always happen.

2294
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So here comes Bill, So there, there's there's Mac.

2295
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 9: I don't want that guy looking at my offense.

2296
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 6: Direction.

2297
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 3: Now, twelve personnel on the field. This is about as

2298
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 3: the real as it's gonna get.

2299
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, this is it.

2300
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 9: This is Bill's Jack Jones and Gonzales with Phillips.

2301
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 6: Eighty five and it's a touchdown to Hunter Henry.

2302
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 3: They're in that little like a three man blitz there though,

2303
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 3: and they did this on Friday too. They start sending

2304
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 3: some pressure more so, I think just to see if

2305
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,679
Speaker 3: they could walk it, to be honest.

2306
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 6: Gonzales out there right away on the outside.

2307
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 4: Getting some mills at safety, but not on the back end.

2308
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 3: You know, they've been playing him a lot of the slot,

2309
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 3: like that bass package slot, you know, when they played

2310
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 3: teams that are in heavier groupings. They've been using the

2311
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 3: safeties a lot in the slot.

2312
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 9: Can we continue to see Bill Murray getting a lot

2313
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 9: of those reps at right guard with a win you out?

2314
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely something considered without the the rookies.

2315
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 9: He's been around now for a while.

2316
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 4: Yeah's defensive lineman, like four or five years at this

2317
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 4: point William and Marriott. Yes, Bill blocked a bunch of punts.

2318
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 9: And we are, once again, Evans seeing a steady diet

2319
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 9: of tight end receptions.

2320
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, is this gonna be it?

2321
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:50,640
Speaker 7: Like?

2322
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 4: Is it We're just gonna get five year pass?

2323
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:54,679
Speaker 3: Like, can we throw the ball down the field one time?

2324
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 6: Give them time?

2325
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 9: Last year.

2326
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 6: They're setting it up. They setting it up us.

2327
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 9: Oh, we got a wide receiver screen.

2328
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 6: Andrew Porn, We're matriculating the ball downfield.

2329
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 8: So we talked about We talked about Born talking to

2330
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 8: the media last week on Friday, and you asked me

2331
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 8: what I thought?

2332
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, were you guys similarly?

2333
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 8: Like it was really refreshing to hear such honesty, but

2334
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:26,679
Speaker 8: at the same time wondering what Bill might have thought

2335
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 8: about that.

2336
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I mean I I thought that, you know.

2337
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 10: He took responsibility for.

2338
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 7: Him not being physically ready to be great, versus you know,

2339
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 7: blaming it on you know, the coaching or other things.

2340
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 7: I thought it was interesting that he took responsibility and

2341
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 7: said he's been focusing on getting stronger, getting faster, et

2342
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 7: cetera heat and he said that's why.

2343
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 3: He didn't play well.

2344
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 6: It was ninety eight, just one off side and now

2345
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 6: they're again taking a taking a line.

2346
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 4: He's been offside a couple of times. Ye last year too.

2347
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 8: That's definitely been a plo emphasis for the offense, I

2348
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,879
Speaker 8: would say, trying to do that, trying.

2349
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 4: To get that see so it's going to be throw

2350
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 4: to the tight ends, get him to jump. That's all

2351
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 4: you need. That's the explosive offense.

2352
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 9: Maybe they.

2353
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 6: Almost okay, we're we're ooing because Kiki went over the

2354
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 6: middle and got met by uh it went down, he held.

2355
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:24,639
Speaker 4: Up, but that would have been bad.

2356
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 9: Uh oh yeah, no one, No one's hurt, but probably

2357
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:30,560
Speaker 9: a little more contact than we're looking for.

2358
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 7: So Paul, you would have wanted him to just say like, oh, I.

2359
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 9: Know that was all on last year. Like his whole

2360
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 9: thing was all like yeah, like this is the way

2361
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 9: it's supposed to be. It's great. He knows what he's doing.

2362
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 8: He must have said he knows what he's doing five

2363
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 8: times and at one point Tom Kinran asked him, it's

2364
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 8: like you realize when you talk like that, people are

2365
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 8: naturally going to assume that you're saying, and it.

2366
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:56,879
Speaker 9: Wasn't that, and he more or less.

2367
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 4: That's the way you take it, that's the way you're

2368
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 4: taking Yeah, I just I'm with you.

2369
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 3: I just worry about the repercussions. Like he's definitely one

2370
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 3: of the best receivers on this team and he should

2371
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 3: be playing and he should be involved. And if they

2372
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 3: signed DeAndre Hopkins, he shouldn't be the odd man out

2373
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 3: in my mind. But when you say stuff like that,

2374
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 3: you know how it works around here.

2375
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 9: Right, And like I said, I thought he was refreshingly honest.

2376
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 9: But I just wonder if Bill thought the same thing.

2377
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 4: I didn't really care for him, being like I had

2378
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 4: a bad year, Like I just I don't. I like,

2379
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 4: I just felt like it was making it about him,

2380
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 4: and like, I don't your whole offense had a bad

2381
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 4: year last year. What you're saying, like you could have

2382
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 4: had a better year, Like, I just don't know what

2383
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 4: he was trying to get it.

2384
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 10: I didn't take it that way.

2385
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 7: I took it as like there were things that he

2386
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 7: could have taken care of and he didn't take care

2387
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 7: of it. Like when he got those opportunities to be

2388
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 7: on the field, he was not productive.

2389
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 4: So I don't need to hear it.

2390
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2391
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean, like you know, I don't. I just like

2392
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 4: I feel like you speak for the team, like we

2393
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 4: as an offense, we didn't do enough last year, Like

2394
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, like it just it reflected more negatively

2395
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 4: on his season for me because I didn't think that.

2396
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 4: I thought Kendrick Corn did all he could, you know, like,

2397
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 4: and so he's coming out saying I could have.

2398
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 9: Done more, like sure, but like, I don't see.

2399
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 6: I took it.

2400
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 7: I like the accountability accountability.

2401
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:19,600
Speaker 4: I took it as I.

2402
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 8: Had a bad year because they didn't play me. That's

2403
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 8: how I took it, and they didn't. He didn't play

2404
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 8: as much as he should have last year. Now we

2405
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 8: can argue till the cows come home as to why

2406
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 8: he didn't play more than he did. And I think

2407
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 8: there's a lot of different theories about that. But I

2408
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 8: took it as I wasn't as productive as I wanted

2409
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 8: to be. He never said it, but I think the difference,

2410
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 8: based on everything else he said, was because they wouldn't

2411
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 8: play me because they didn't know what they were doing.

2412
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 6: Matt's series is over, Zapie's in there now.

2413
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 3: Mac is hanging out with the with the offensive line

2414
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 3: on the sideline.

2415
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 4: So all right, he's not a loan, he's not a

2416
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 4: man alone.

2417
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 9: Well, don't speak too fall. He started walking over toward

2418
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 9: the back by himself. Now it looks like some of

2419
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 9: the guys are going with him.

2420
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 6: Yeah he was.

2421
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 3: He was chatting with David Andrews after.

2422
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 4: I think he's going back to his He's going back

2423
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 4: to his lonesome alone.

2424
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:17,440
Speaker 6: It's Temple of Solitude.

2425
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 4: Oh that's a bad throw there by Zay. I gotta admit,

2426
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 4: like just watching Zappy through some of these practices, like, no,

2427
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 4: That'sapi zactly No, I mean he's a backup.

2428
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 3: He's a backup courth.

2429
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 4: I didn't know where you were going at No, like

2430
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 4: anybody who was like happy, No, it's a nice little

2431
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 4: backup that you're developing right now, and it's good to

2432
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 4: have those guys. But if anybody thinks that, like if

2433
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 4: Zappy plays this year, it's because they just don't have

2434
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 4: a choice.

2435
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 19: I just love the way he executes the play action sake,

2436
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 19: the timing on his face. That was a bit to

2437
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,599
Speaker 19: specifically get a rise out of you, and you didn't

2438
01:47:59,640 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 19: take it.

2439
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 3: Timing is just tim.

2440
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 4: I think he does that a little bit better than

2441
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 4: Mac Jones.

2442
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 9: They now, sorry, we're not talking, just we're reacting.

2443
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 4: Killing the pressure.

2444
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 3: I always watch Zappie and I I really genuinely try

2445
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 3: to watch it objectively and be like, what if is

2446
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 3: there anything that I feel like he is better than

2447
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 3: Mac at Like, like, is there really something that I

2448
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:45,680
Speaker 3: can say he's concretely better than Mac at this?

2449
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 6: And you said earlier anticipation.

2450
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 4: I do think that there's some of that element.

2451
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think he he has a good timing

2452
01:48:56,760 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 3: and anticipatory rhythm to the passing game that sometimes I

2453
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 3: don't see for Mac all the time. So yeah, something.

2454
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 7: I also wonder what have what it would have been

2455
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 7: like for him this year had he had a actual

2456
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 7: offensive coordinator last year, so like he's basically having a

2457
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 7: rookie season right now, like with a real coach, actually

2458
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 7: him real things.

2459
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 4: He was one of the ones that played okay and

2460
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 4: whatever the heck that was that.

2461
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was more so just his instincts than him,

2462
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,759
Speaker 7: Like he had no help that So I'd be interesting

2463
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 7: this like if he had Josh, like Mac had Josh,

2464
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 7: Like what his first year would have been.

2465
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 4: Like he's zapper. All right, who's up next?

2466
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 3: Don't get don't beat trace, don't be trace.

2467
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 10: I've didn't once Stunningham.

2468
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was like Cunningham is uh lining up maybe maybe.

2469
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 4: And probably was receiver at this portion.

2470
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 9: Where do you see Cunningham? I see Mac Jones in

2471
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:57,639
Speaker 9: the middle of the offensive lineman.

2472
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 6: No, yeah, I he was backing up.

2473
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 4: I thought we're getting a little another shot with.

2474
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 6: The one going to be with Mack again.

2475
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're going to come in from about midfield, maybe

2476
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 9: the forty five.

2477
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2478
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, So here's you know, Sam Roberts getting a little

2479
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,640
Speaker 4: little shot here. No Lawrence guy, Carl Davis jumping off

2480
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 4: side last reps. He was out there with the second

2481
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,639
Speaker 4: sea second. But I you know, the thing I can't

2482
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 4: help but notice is that, you know, we're just a

2483
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 4: couple of years removed from spending draft picks on on

2484
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 4: Josh Bledsoe and Ronnie Perkins, and it seems like both

2485
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 4: those guys are.

2486
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 6: Like Bentley got in there on that play.

2487
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, both those guys are now going to be probably

2488
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 4: pushed up the roster by this draft class. So it's just,

2489
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 4: you know, you draft so many strong safeties since with

2490
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 4: some of those assets and you know, have been allocated

2491
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 4: a little bit differently some of those draft picks.

2492
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, those are not the ones I'm going

2493
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 8: to look back on. I think, I mean sixth and

2494
01:50:57,320 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 8: seventh round picks. Like I know a lot of people,

2495
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 8: we get in the lot of questions in the mail

2496
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 8: bag about folding in speed, you know, and where they

2497
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:09,759
Speaker 8: might fit in the secondary, and listen, we can always

2498
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 8: be surprised and things can change. But my guess is

2499
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:14,599
Speaker 8: those guys are special teamers if they make the team,

2500
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:16,760
Speaker 8: and I'm not going to look at it three years

2501
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,960
Speaker 8: from now and say, wow, what a really disappointing draft

2502
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,799
Speaker 8: pick if he never turns out to be a cornerback.

2503
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily think they were drafted with that in mind,

2504
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 8: or they wouldn't be six and seventh round picks.

2505
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2506
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 9: Now, I'm not ready to close the door and bled

2507
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:29,680
Speaker 9: so yet.

2508
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,400
Speaker 8: I think there's there's a chance that he could factor,

2509
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:35,679
Speaker 8: and I do I think Evan earlier was talking about

2510
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 8: they do have a lot of guys with that kind

2511
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 8: of skill set. So maybe he does get pushed off,

2512
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 8: but I think there's some promise there. I don't know

2513
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 8: he shod up a little bit early last year.

2514
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 4: I remember, I mean he got the opportunity I think

2515
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,479
Speaker 4: when what like Dugger was out or something early.

2516
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 3: So much of this right now is just check sending

2517
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry up the scene and we're just gonna layer

2518
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 3: it underneath and just yeah, I've I've written curl flat

2519
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 3: and sit way too hot for my liking.

2520
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 6: It's all about practice Evans. Last year felt like patients patience.

2521
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 4: It was a lot of that last year, But at

2522
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 4: least this year it's like at least he's flaming them consistently,

2523
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 4: like it looks like it's in time, but.

2524
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 6: Gonzales consistently on the outside on.

2525
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:36,560
Speaker 4: Parker, what's going on?

2526
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 6: That play broke down.

2527
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 4: On the ground.

2528
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 6: If you would have got there, but Mac being chased

2529
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:46,719
Speaker 6: by Bentley.

2530
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 4: Bentley used to be active as always.

2531
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah Bentley Bentley doesn't know what practice speed is. That

2532
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 3: guy has shot out of a canon.

2533
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 4: Why is born to.

2534
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 6: Map?

2535
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah? I love it was Borne taking a labor is

2536
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 4: just going to yeah.

2537
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.

2538
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 3: Pierre Strong in the backfield, p d oh we were out, gets.

2539
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 4: A big paw in there.

2540
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 6: This hasn't been a good series, yeah, kind of clunky.

2541
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 6: Started out with Bentley in the backfield. Had another play

2542
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 6: where Bentley broke in batted past just now.

2543
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 3: It's uh, that's what's gonna happen.

2544
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 6: Though.

2545
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 3: If you keep on throwing the ball five yards down

2546
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 3: the field, the defensive.

2547
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 6: Are just gonna they start to they start to see

2548
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 6: it again.

2549
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody even wants to test Christian Gonzales. Don't even

2550
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:54,680
Speaker 3: throw it at him.

2551
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:01,879
Speaker 6: Corner blitz, corner blitz with Gonzales. As a result, Parker's

2552
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 6: wide open.

2553
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 4: That's funny. I mean, that's like Steve Belichick like.

2554
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 6: Throwing the.

2555
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 4: Especially like do you usually blitz the strong side corner

2556
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 4: like when he drank, Like, I mean, it's just so obvious,

2557
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 4: Like I don't know. I just feel like usually your

2558
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 4: corner blitzes are coming from the backside, So you didn't.

2559
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 4: It's not the first place he's looking.

2560
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 3: At least he.

2561
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:25,479
Speaker 8: Knew at least Mac Newer to go with the I

2562
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 8: think that's that's what that's designed for, is to make

2563
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 8: sure that the quarterback knows that's coming.

2564
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 6: Back.

2565
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 4: Just I mean, there everybody on that one. There you go, Henrick.

2566
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 6: Touch down up the middle.

2567
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a I think you know, they would

2568
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 3: they were working their pressure package and a fire series

2569
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 3: and I thought that Mac, you know, other than that

2570
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 3: one that they did get the sack on him. I

2571
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:08,000
Speaker 3: mean a couple of throws for a new where to

2572
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 3: go with it against the heat, which definitely was not the.

2573
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 4: Case last year. Yeah, no, it looks like I mean

2574
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 4: that's that's the good thing. I mean, it hasn't been

2575
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 4: the most you know, exciting down the field practice, but

2576
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 4: it just he seems like he's in control. He knows

2577
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 4: what he's looking for, and he knows what he wants

2578
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 4: to do. It doesn't there's not a lot of like

2579
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 4: stopping going to ask Bill O'Brien what I'm doing. I mean,

2580
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 4: it's just like I just see Bill O'Brien on the

2581
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 4: sideline just he doesn't it's like just riding one of

2582
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 4: the calls. He doesn't really seem to need to get

2583
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 4: in there, and you know, mess under the hood that much.

2584
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 6: That a pumpkin not throw that he.

2585
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 3: Hit to Bourne was nice. I mean, that's that's a

2586
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 3: zero pressure and he knows he's got the leverage. Just

2587
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 3: got to get it out right, like I mean, just

2588
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 3: survive and get it out and hit him on time

2589
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:54,720
Speaker 3: like that was a I think that's a real catch

2590
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 3: and run in the game.

2591
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 4: I totally agree.

2592
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 8: You can tell when you look at a play, you

2593
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 8: can tell like that's that that's had a like a

2594
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 8: reasonable fact simile of of what it was supposed.

2595
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 6: To look like.

2596
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:08,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, Mike, So, wanting to follow up on what you

2597
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 7: just said about Bill O'Brien kind of just on the

2598
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:14,919
Speaker 7: side just observing calling plays. Do you prefer a micromanaging approach,

2599
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 7: you know, from an offensive coordinator or do you prefer

2600
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 7: just kind of.

2601
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 4: You'll talk about it. I don't think anybody ever prefers micromanagement.

2602
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, I guess the point I was

2603
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 4: just making was, you know, he's not furious with how

2604
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 4: unky it looks or how guys aren't doing what I mean,

2605
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 4: it just seems for the most part that, well, there's

2606
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 4: similar calling in the plays Bill.

2607
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,320
Speaker 6: Bill's in there, you know, with the offense and they're

2608
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 6: simulating the game, so you know, this is where O'Brien

2609
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 6: would be be on the sideline.

2610
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 3: I think that's one hundred percent. He doesn't want to

2611
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 3: be too involved because he wants to see what they're

2612
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 3: going to put on film, and I'm sure when they

2613
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 3: go back and watch it, later this afternoon.

2614
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 4: That's when he'll get half. But you also don't see guy.

2615
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 4: You don't see right now after the play him yelling

2616
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 4: to one guy like that's you.

2617
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,120
Speaker 6: But Bill is a little under control, you know, I

2618
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:01,720
Speaker 6: don't know Bill Belichick.

2619
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, where's Bill?

2620
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:05,000
Speaker 6: Now he's walking.

2621
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 9: He's walking to Bill O'Brien.

2622
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 4: Now he's walking back to get out here and get involved,

2623
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien, don't look at my offense.

2624
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 6: You out here. But it's interesting. Bill Belichick is the

2625
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 6: one micro the field.

2626
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 4: Right yeah, behind thee this spin move.

2627
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:27,200
Speaker 6: He's calling the situation. Belichick is.

2628
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2629
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 4: I wonder what it's like for for Billio coming back

2630
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 4: to the NFL, uh, you know, after having been a

2631
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 4: head coach, and I mean, I know he's offensive coordinator

2632
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 4: at Alabama, so he's you know, familiar with being back

2633
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,120
Speaker 4: in that role. But just you know what's kind of

2634
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 4: changed that this time around for him just being an

2635
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, maybe a little less to to to you know,

2636
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 4: try to handle well. I actually it's down the line issue.

2637
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 3: But he was up in the booth last year at

2638
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 3: Alabama and the coaches booth and calling the game from

2639
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 3: up there, and I have to imagine he's gonna be

2640
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:07,960
Speaker 3: on the sideline, you know, where he can talk to

2641
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 3: mac you know face. But that's a question that I

2642
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 3: would have for him, like this, see the bird's eye

2643
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 3: vantage point? Is that is that help him?

2644
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 6: You know?

2645
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 3: Is that make him a better play caller? And weighing

2646
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 3: that whole thing because there are some coordinators that do

2647
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 3: call it from the booth in the NFL, So I'm

2648
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 3: interested to see what where he calls it from.

2649
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 6: Now you're getting some sorely action.

2650
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 4: I don't know if I call it actionedly just.

2651
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 3: Another macron. No, he's walking towards the huddle.

2652
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 4: But it's like zippy zip with the ones fish fish.

2653
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 3: But the yeah, this is with the ones.

2654
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll Jake Andrews, Jake Anders and Bill Murray and

2655
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:12,240
Speaker 4: and on the offensive line. It's a little misch mosh

2656
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 4: a little bit.

2657
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 3: Now sixty sixty walked out and did.

2658
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:21,880
Speaker 4: We I'm sorry, Riley reached the see did we get

2659
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 4: him here?

2660
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 7: Sorry?

2661
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2662
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So this is.

2663
01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:29,240
Speaker 3: A couple of starting receivers out there, but this is

2664
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 3: just the backup.

2665
01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:32,280
Speaker 6: Yeah for the most part.

2666
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow foo o oh, okay, born over the middle man.

2667
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:49,440
Speaker 5: It's a mix on defense too. I see Bentley's out there.

2668
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:53,680
Speaker 5: I saw dugger out there. Yeah, get the back of

2669
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 5: some back.

2670
01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:58,000
Speaker 4: They got Isaiah Boulding up there, and uh and Paul's guy,

2671
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 4: Rodnie Randall junior. It's not that's why I didn't. You're

2672
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 4: familiar with the yeah senior, Yeah, junior.

2673
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:15,200
Speaker 3: Guys make anything of them giving at least giving Zappi

2674
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,320
Speaker 3: Parker and born to to throw to.

2675
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 9: It's good.

2676
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:21,440
Speaker 4: I mean you got to get a little bit of

2677
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 4: a sense with these guys.

2678
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 6: I think that was a cat. It was. Yeah, that

2679
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:31,000
Speaker 6: was Parker Parker down the sideline, who was sixty three

2680
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 6: on them. That's bolder and bold Isaiah Bolden. Parker did

2681
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:38,680
Speaker 6: a nice job over the shoulder, keeping his feet and bounds.

2682
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:44,040
Speaker 4: YEA nice ball by Zappy. Yeah, it's a little uh.

2683
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 6: The winter that a little bit, but Parker made the adjustment.

2684
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 3: It's just interesting that they're not they're not throwing them

2685
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 3: out there with total total scrubs.

2686
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:52,720
Speaker 7: You know.

2687
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally back into the roster, guys.

2688
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 4: I think you gotta do that though, you know, regardless

2689
02:00:56,680 --> 02:00:59,600
Speaker 4: of quarterback competition or any of that stuff, Like, oh.

2690
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,080
Speaker 6: Part of gotta have that.

2691
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 9: That's one that Mac will complete ten out of ten.

2692
02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:08,280
Speaker 6: That was an interesting release by Zappi.

2693
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had the the stunt going on the right

2694
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 3: hand side, looked like a Scotch One future that pushed

2695
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 3: the pocket and he didn't hit it because of the pressure.

2696
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,600
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think he got rid of that a little

2697
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:20,720
Speaker 6: bit quicker than he wanted to.

2698
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:23,560
Speaker 9: Part of the receiver thing too here, Evan, it's just

2699
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 9: the sheer numbers. Yeah, that's fair. You know, they just

2700
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:30,200
Speaker 9: had McSorley out there, and just the drive before this

2701
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:33,520
Speaker 9: with the ed Lee's and the Rallys and those guys.

2702
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:36,920
Speaker 4: There's more than one rally Web, you know what I mean.

2703
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:39,880
Speaker 4: I said it was a nightmare for a second.

2704
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:43,640
Speaker 9: It's definitely I'll keep that'll keep the coordinators up.

2705
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 3: You're down, you're down two receivers. You will only have well,

2706
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 3: I think they have nine on the roster, so they

2707
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 3: have seven true receivers and they're kind of counting rally

2708
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:58,120
Speaker 3: Web as a receivers. Time Montgomery playing some receivers, just

2709
02:01:58,160 --> 02:01:58,880
Speaker 3: give him the number.

2710
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:01,360
Speaker 8: That said, like, you guys the offensive lineman, you know

2711
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:06,320
Speaker 8: some you know it's Calvin Anderson and Cole Strange, Riley.

2712
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:08,920
Speaker 9: Reef, Bill Murray, I know everything. Bill Murray is a

2713
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:10,480
Speaker 9: backup and he's been with.

2714
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 3: The first group throughout that I always try to just

2715
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:16,640
Speaker 3: throw when you read the code and like, okay, so

2716
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 3: they didn't give him David Andrews at center. It's the bat,

2717
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 3: it's the backup center.

2718
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:22,160
Speaker 4: But other than that, like these are guys that are

2719
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 4: the guys that are gonna play.

2720
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and you know, if you want to read

2721
02:02:25,160 --> 02:02:28,680
Speaker 3: into those sort of things, like that's, yeah, that's what

2722
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 3: we're seeing.

2723
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:31,280
Speaker 4: I've kind of noticed too that the Jake Andrews is

2724
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 4: seems like he gets second center raps. It doesn't really

2725
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:39,320
Speaker 4: seem just like Cody Ruci's really Yeah.

2726
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:41,400
Speaker 3: I just always try to like go back to twenty

2727
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:44,560
Speaker 3: one and learn from the cam experience, which was clearly

2728
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 3: not actually a quarterback competition, but they made it look

2729
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:50,760
Speaker 3: like a quarterback competition to an extent, And like, you know,

2730
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:54,880
Speaker 3: are they just swapping out David Andrews for Russi or

2731
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,760
Speaker 3: Jake Andrews just because they think we're idiots and we

2732
02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:00,280
Speaker 3: can't pick up on the bat that they're actually trying

2733
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:01,240
Speaker 3: to cycle Zappian with.

2734
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 4: The probably field gol, field goal, field goal. Everybody's yelling

2735
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 4: field goal. Everybody yell at Mike field goal, but nobody

2736
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:16,000
Speaker 4: louder than Jojoe.

2737
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 9: I was gonna say, no one competes with its famous

2738
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 9: alonzo Joe.

2739
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 4: All right, gotta write these down. This is important.

2740
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:31,240
Speaker 6: Okay, wrap gonna be wrapping up pretty soon.

2741
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 4: All right, So we got on lunch. Oh yeah, what

2742
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:36,960
Speaker 4: are we doing, fog, I don't have a thing. I

2743
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 4: don't have a thing. Lunch calling out a buy it

2744
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:45,760
Speaker 4: Mike and Paul lunch. So we got corless weight man

2745
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:46,680
Speaker 4: holding for Nick.

2746
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:49,800
Speaker 5: All right, Well that's gonna be it for this. Oh yeah,

2747
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,400
Speaker 5: we'll be back tomorrow. We'll be back tomorrow for the

2748
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 5: full practice around the same time, eleven o'clock. And are

2749
02:03:57,720 --> 02:03:59,879
Speaker 5: you guys gonna do You're not gonna do a podcast?

2750
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,600
Speaker 6: We don't do that yet. We do that for training camp, right.

2751
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll do it. We'll do We will do a

2752
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,720
Speaker 4: wrap up video after day three. Okay, you know it's

2753
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:07,440
Speaker 4: kind of but we're not.

2754
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:10,040
Speaker 6: We're gonna do what little let's strap up wrap up video.

2755
02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:13,520
Speaker 5: All right, Well, thanks for watching, Thanks for listening today. Again,

2756
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:17,400
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2757
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:18,080
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2758
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:23,240
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