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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tex Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff dot com. Hei everyone, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren, And you know, I

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Speaker 1: just want to build a nice little comfy section in

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Speaker 1: this room, just a little a little comfy area that

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Speaker 1: I can just snuggle up in and go to sleep.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to cull it my nest. And then we

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Speaker 1: got some requests for people that they wanted me to

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Speaker 1: cover the nest technology. It's really just a bunch of

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Speaker 1: pillows and blankets. I don't know what the big deal is. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's really pretty advanced. It's true what it is, it's true.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Not structurally speaking, it is not the most

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Speaker 1: sound of actual buildings. And we have had a collapse,

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Speaker 1: but fortunately everyone was just cuddled, so it's perfectly Oh wait, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's there's an other nest, right, there's there's We're on

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Speaker 1: the show called text Stuff. That's why there was all

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Speaker 1: that stuff on Twitter. Right. Yeah, Google has not actually

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Speaker 1: offered to buy your pillow fort for three point two

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. I need to retract an email I just sent. Alright, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk today about the Nest Labs company

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Speaker 1: and uh and the products they make, And I, like

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Speaker 1: Lauren was saying, Google has made a really incredible move

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Speaker 1: in offering to purchase Nest for a what some might

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Speaker 1: call a ridiculous sum of money. I think that three

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Speaker 1: point two billion accounts as pretty ridiculous. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a company that makes two things so far. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and it's only existed since yea, and they've only been

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Speaker 1: having stuff that they could sell since eleven. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this. If you had told me

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Speaker 1: ten years ago that I'd be sitting down and talking

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Speaker 1: into a microphone to record a show about a company

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Speaker 1: that's big product is a thermostat, first I would say

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Speaker 1: who are you and why are you in this consulting firm,

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Speaker 1: because that's where I was ten years ago. But moreover

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Speaker 1: I just said no, I wouldn't who who would want

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Speaker 1: to listen to that? Well? Okay, that there has been

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Speaker 1: a lot of buzz about Nest over the past couple

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Speaker 1: of years that it has existed, because they make these

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Speaker 1: these smart devices, smart thermostats and smart smoke detectors, carbon

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Speaker 1: monoxide exactly. Um, and and you know, with the Internet

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Speaker 1: of things becoming more of a real thing people have

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Speaker 1: been excited about. This is one of the leading companies

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Speaker 1: that's creating the kind of hardware that you can use

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Speaker 1: to to make your home and Internet of things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and also the design aesthetic right, gorgeous it is and

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Speaker 1: and and it works with your smartphone and that's all terrific.

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Speaker 1: And I did want to mention that for the record,

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Speaker 1: thermostats are kind of a big business. There's some ten

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Speaker 1: million sold in the US every year, and they control

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Speaker 1: some half of the energy used in US homes, right,

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Speaker 1: so this is not insignificant. Yeah. If you talk, if

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Speaker 1: money you have to spend on energy bills, particularly if

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Speaker 1: you live in a place where you have a fairly

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Speaker 1: extreme climate, so that your HVAC system has to work

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Speaker 1: comfortable one. And uh, and in fact, what this all

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Speaker 1: comes back to a guy named Tony Fidel, who once

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Speaker 1: upon a time worked for a little company called Apple. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By work, do we mean that he kind of lad

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Speaker 1: forget because we say it so frequently. But before the iPod,

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Speaker 1: of all, he retired. He retired in two thousand eight

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Speaker 1: things just weren't always you know, the most comfortable temperature

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Speaker 1: Why does why does this control for my climate where

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Speaker 1: And because the almost thermostats not really aesthetically pleasing, they're

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Speaker 1: Why can't I control my thermostat from my smartphone? Right?

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Speaker 1: So he ended up contacting a couple of other folks

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Speaker 1: obviously the most important thing for you to do is

431
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Speaker 1: to get out safely, right clearly. So this would give

432
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Speaker 1: you more information about that. It also had, of course,

433
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Speaker 1: the carbon monoxide monitor, which is also very important. Um.

434
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Speaker 1: It also will work wirelessly with Nest thermostats, so if

435
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: the carbon monoxide A sensor picks up a concentration, it'll

436
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: send a message to the Nest thermostat to say, hey,

437
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: shut off the furnace because we have a leak somewhere

438
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: or something's going on. Yeah, it really need stuff and

439
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: um these are less expensive than the Nest thermostats. The

440
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Speaker 1: thermostats are to you fifty The smoke detectors are about

441
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: I think one thirty to one fifty. As I recall,

442
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: I didn't write it down in front of me, but

443
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: I know it's right in that range because I was

444
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: actually looking at it to um possibly replace my smoke detectors.

445
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: But if I do that, I will have to buy

446
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: five of them, because I have five smoke detectors in

447
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: my house. Anyone who follows me on Twitter saw that

448
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: that terrible day when I got home and one of

449
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: them was chirping, and the way my house is laid out,

450
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: I could not tell which one it was. So I

451
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: had to go out and get new batteries for all

452
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: of my smoke detectors. But you should do anyway, But well, yeah, yeah,

453
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: but this would actually tell me what's going on. Also,

454
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: it's designed to be very uh very careful with power

455
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: consumption and and the and it even says you wouldn't

456
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: have to replace the batteries every single year, but it

457
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: would give you an alert when it has to. In fact,

458
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: it would send you a message on your phone so

459
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Speaker 1: that you wouldn't have to sit there and listen to

460
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: that chirp forever trying to figure out right, And if

461
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: you're away from your house and you get that message,

462
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: then you actually have the opportunity to go and buy

463
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: a battery before you get back and realize that you

464
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: need to go back out again. So very clever. And uh, yeah,

465
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: it's it looks like it's a pretty neat product. You

466
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 1: do have to replace it every seven years or so,

467
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: bad because the detectors will eventually wear out. It's a

468
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: chemical based thing. I specifically the carbon monoxide sensors in particular,

469
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: and that's that's that's typical. By the way, if you

470
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: think that that's unusual, No, that's not unusual for carbon

471
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: monoxide detectors. You do have to replace those regularly because

472
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: the sensors do wear out over time. Um. Smoke detectors

473
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: didn't last a little bit longer, but carbon monoxide. And

474
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: I think it's still recommended to replace your your smoke

475
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: detectors once every ten years or so. Yeah, I'm I

476
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: don't have the number in front of me, but I

477
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: feel I think you're right. Um. And all of these devices,

478
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: by the way, do have activity detection, like like motion

479
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: and light sensors on them so that they know when

480
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: you're coming to and fro rooms, UM, so that they

481
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: can all link up and decide, you know, figure out

482
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: when someone is in there and whether or not they

483
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: need to be activated for for the for the thermstat's sake,

484
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: although the carbon monoxide and smoke detectors work together with

485
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: the thermstats to help them cover more area, And they

486
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: also have lights in them and will light up if

487
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: you want them to so that when you you can

488
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: set it so like if it's in bedroom mode, it

489
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: won't do that. So if it detects motion, it won't

490
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: light up and wake you up. But if it's in

491
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: a hallway and you walk out, it will end up

492
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: acting like a little nightlight, which I thought was kind

493
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: of cute too. And and the light changes color and

494
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: we'll give you a warning. This is probably the thing

495
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: I like the most about the smoke detector. So let's

496
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: say it starts detecting a little bit of smoke and

497
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: it's not enough for it to trigger a full warning yet,

498
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: but it wants to alert you to this fact. It

499
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: will give you an actual human voice, uh warning saying

500
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: that there is detecting some smoke, and the little blue

501
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: ring of light on the device will turn to yellow.

502
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: And then if you go to it, and let's say

503
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: you are like me and you're attempting to roast some

504
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: veggies and you did not realize that you had a

505
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: little bit of minced garlic on the burner or whatever.

506
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: And that's the only reason there's any smoke at all.

507
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: Uh you can wave physically at the smoke detector and

508
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: it will say, oh, false alarm. Well then never mind,

509
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: it'll shut it self off. It'll never do the full

510
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: blast alarm. So my dog would be so excited about that. Yes, yes,

511
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: my dog too. Yeah. So the idea of being able

512
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: to uh not have the typical response in the Strickland

513
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: household where the alarm goes off and then the other

514
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: person in the house helpfully chimes out, dinner must be ready.

515
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: That would be nice. That's my life, all right. So

516
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more to talk about with Nest,

517
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: including of course, the big story with Google. But before

518
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: we get into all of that, let's take a quick

519
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: break to thank our sponsor. Okay, So it's and uh

520
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: in there was some really big news, especially like we're

521
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: recording this podcast on January, it was not very long

522
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: ago at all when we heard the news that Google

523
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: was acquiring Nest for the some of a round three

524
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: depends upon who you ask some say three point two billions,

525
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: some say three point one, some say three point five.

526
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: But in excess of right, Yeah, and I think that

527
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: the official news might have broken on the thirteenth of

528
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: January's um yeah, not long at all. Right, And and

529
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: the thing is, the thing is that Fidel had had

530
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: a meeting with them before Nest even launched. Um and

531
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: then at the eleven TED conference, Uh, he and Sir

532
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: Gay Bryan had a big pow wow and they showed

533
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: him a video and a prototype of the Nest and

534
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: kind of got them pretty excited about it, like excited

535
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: enough that in May of that year, Google led their

536
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: first round of financing. I guess it was their second

537
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: round of financing, but um and And would also lead

538
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: their next round of financing the next year. So Google

539
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: was involved early on and making sure that this company

540
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: was going to get the funding it needed to do

541
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: the work they were doing. And I mean, if you

542
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: look at some of Google's other stuff that they're doing

543
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: with like the automas driving is probably the easiest example, right,

544
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: you can you can see that this sort of these

545
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: algorithms and these products fit very well into this kind

546
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: of integrated uh you know, using information in an actual,

547
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: real world, physical way. Yeah. And and it's been such

548
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: a big year for Google in terms of hardware. Um,

549
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: you know they they acquired Motorola for what like twelve

550
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: point five billion dollars. Uh. They've been working so much

551
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: with Chromebook. Uh. They they've been working with glass. They've

552
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: got a rumored smart watch project that that could be

553
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: coming out this year. But although although rumored smart watch

554
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: projects are pretty bountiful, I've got three more watches on

555
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: the way to me, so I'll get excited abou out that.

556
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: When I see a picture, I've got to watch problem, Okay,

557
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: I And I imagine that CS did not help that

558
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: at all. It was okay, Yeah, yeah, I saw a

559
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of watches, but I thought, no, I think I've

560
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: got that one covered with one exception. But we'll talk

561
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: about that and to see it. Well, we have already

562
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: talked about that the ce S podcast. We just haven't

563
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: recorded yet. Yes, they're publishing in opposite order. I think.

564
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: So you guys out there have already heard me talk

565
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: about it, but I have not will have already talked

566
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: about it yet. I think I need a diagram that

567
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: sentence go on? Yes, Um, okay, and so so both

568
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: Google and Nest have have indicated that Nest is going

569
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Speaker 1: to remain its own sort of independent thing, which you

570
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: know that was that was one of the big concerns,

571
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: right people where those knee jerk reactions as Google is

572
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: going to purchase this company that does smoke detectors, does

573
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: that mean that Google is going to change it in

574
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: some way? Like is it going to no longer be

575
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: the thing that we got excited about, right or are

576
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: they going to make them work on some other projects

577
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: instead of what they were originally created for? And they've

578
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: said nope, that Google is mostly going to be providing

579
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of money and infrastructure and marketing

580
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: teams and tech resources that will let Nest be more

581
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: themselves than they ever have been before. And other concerns

582
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: like the other big one is that you could conceive

583
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: of Nest devices gathering lots of different information like well,

584
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean they do gather lots of different information, um

585
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: and how that is going to be put to use

586
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: is a pretty big and pretty fair, I think concern

587
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: from a lot of sectors right now. And Nest has

588
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: already come out and said that they don't they don't

589
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: plan on changing their privacy uh statements. Well, they said,

590
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: and I quote from their blog, our privacy policy clearly

591
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: limits the use of customer information to providing and improving

592
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: nests products and services. We've always taken privacy seriously and

593
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: this will not change. Right, So the fact that they

594
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: take privacy seriously won't change. They haven't said that their

595
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: privacy policies won't change. K fair enough if you're going

596
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: to parse it to that level. But I think I

597
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: think the main concern people had was, all right, so

598
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: does this mean You're gonna send Google all this information

599
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: about when I'm home, when I'm not home, how active

600
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I am, what I you know, whether or not you

601
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: know how many people tend to be in my house

602
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: and rooms I spend the most time in. It's all

603
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: the information is going to go to Google, and then

604
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to get directed advertising or worse because of this.

605
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: And I think that was them saying like, that's not

606
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You're not gonna You're not gonna have your

607
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: your smoke detector and your thermostat tattling on you. Well,

608
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could I could certainly see

609
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: one of the concerns that I that I've read about

610
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: was that, um, Google could sell your your energy usage

611
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: data to providers to let them advertise to you more sadly. Um.

612
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: And I can totally picture Google doing that. I mean maybe, yeah,

613
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: kind of, I can see it happening. I mean, if

614
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: let me put it to you this way, if that

615
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: would mean at the end of the day that I

616
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: actually had the opportunity to take advantage of genuinely good deals,

617
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily be upset about that. Yeah. And and

618
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: to be fair, and Nest already does have partnerships with

619
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: energy providers. Um, I mean they are opt in, and

620
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: but it's for you know, either free or discounted equipment

621
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: or rates on energies. And I would hope they would

622
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: remain an opt in approach, that would I always prefer

623
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: opt in to opt out, because when you know that

624
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: you can take advantage of the stuff, but you don't

625
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: feel like that's appropriate, then you don't have to do anything.

626
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: I hate systems where it just assumes that you are

627
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: in whole hog and then you have to hunt through

628
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: this Labrenthian system to find the one checkbox two un

629
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: check so that you are looking at you Facebook, so

630
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: that you can so that you can get out of

631
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: that system. So as long as it remains opt in,

632
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: and of course that's a big if, right, I mean

633
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: that's I like to wear rose colored glasses for this

634
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But I am aware that sometimes companies

635
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: make these changes. But as long as it remains opt in,

636
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm perfectly fine with this, sure, sure. But at any rate,

637
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: any time you're talking about any kind of ice, it's

638
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: collecting information in one way or another, how that data

639
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: could eventually be used is always going to be a concern, exactly. Yeah. Um.

640
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: One one other Google's Sway kind of concern is that

641
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: it's going to is that it may become difficult to

642
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: not have a Nest installed in your house if they

643
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: get enough contracts with enough HVAC providers and which you

644
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: know they certainly have the the money and the marketing

645
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: power to do. Then um, you know, having having these providers, say,

646
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: because you can buy a nest retail, but you can

647
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: also get it through whatever company you use to to

648
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: heat and cool your home. And so people have expressed

649
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: a concern that that it will be harder and harder

650
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: to have a non smart thermostat in your house once

651
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: these things really catch on and people figure out how

652
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: much money and equipment wear and tear can be saved

653
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: by installing them. Sure, if you have a system that

654
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: is dependent upon Nest thermostat. Not that there are such

655
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: systems right now, because right now Nest is designed to

656
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: work with the pre existing systems. But down the line,

657
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: let's say we go down five ten years, I could

658
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: see that being a real issue, especially you're talking several

659
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: generations down in the Nest product line. You could end

660
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: up with a system that was optimized for Nest and

661
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: then yeah, you know, you might in theory, be able

662
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: to disconnect it and then put in a generic thermostat,

663
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: but it might not work very well, kind of like

664
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: the way Nest wasn't always compatible with everything that existed.

665
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: Pregeneration too. And yeah, I think that that's another another

666
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: area where people are like, well, what if I don't

667
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: want that much data collected about me? And what if

668
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: I want a dumb thermostat? And and and I don't

669
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: think that. I mean, I think it's going to be

670
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: at least a couple of minutes before anyone is forcing

671
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: us all to have smart thermostats. But that when the

672
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: day comes you'll be used to it, so don't worry

673
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: about it. And by then all of your data will

674
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: be out already from everything else that we interact with,

675
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: so our thermostat will be it will mean nothing but that.

676
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: Um So let's talk a little bit about what actually

677
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: makes it tick, not that they take, they don't tick.

678
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: If your nest is ticking, you might want to have

679
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: that checked out. Now. The nest thermostat has multiple temperature

680
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: sensors inside of it, and this is the idea of

681
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: the multiple sensors is in order to get the most

682
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: accurate reading on the temperature of the room, right. So

683
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: these sensors are are designed so that they can very

684
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: carefully calibrate the climate system so it meets exactly what

685
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: it is that the thermostat has learned you like. So

686
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: if it knows that I like the temperature of my house,

687
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: especially say my bedroom to be right around seventy degrees

688
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: when I go to bed, it can uh start that

689
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: up when it gets close to bedtime, and the rest

690
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: of the time it may just be you know, kind

691
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: of a warmer temperature or colder depending upon what time

692
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: of year it is. Um And then uh so that's

693
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: the main sensor obviously for heat, but it also contains

694
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: motion and light sensors so it can detect when people

695
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: are home, because if no one's home, then it can

696
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: go into away mode right and Ottawa Way, I think

697
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: it's what they call it. But anyway, the the idea

698
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: is that it can then start to ramp down the

699
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: UH the system so they're not putting out some not

700
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: consuming so much energy. And it used to be that

701
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: it would wait I think it was it was more

702
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: than an hour or an hour plus something to before

703
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: it would go into Attawa Way. Now it's half an hour. Um,

704
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: they did a software update, so I think even generation

705
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: one will do it in half an hour now. So

706
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: if it doesn't detect any movement, and if especially if

707
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: you have a pattern of leaving at around a certain

708
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: time each day, it will go ahead and get and

709
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: go into that away mode so that it doesn't waste energy.

710
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: And in UH, there are all these algorithms that has.

711
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: It uses an onboard computer. It's actually got a microprocessor.

712
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: It's an arm based microprocessor, so similar to what you

713
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: would find in a mobile phone or a tablet UH,

714
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: and it would run those algorithms to create those those

715
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: patterns and the responses to the patterns, so that it

716
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: would start to control the system and make sure it

717
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: was the most comfortable whenever you happen to be coming home, um,

718
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: and that would be And that's that learning behavior kind

719
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: of thing that that that proactive change. And it has

720
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: both RAM and ROM, so I mean it's it is

721
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: like a little computer. It's like it's a tiny well

722
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: mounted computer that knows what temperature you want it to be. Yep.

723
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: It's got the Wi Fi chip obviously that allows it

724
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: to connect to your home network. This is what allows

725
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: you to operate it via an app right, although they

726
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: also can connect wirelessly directly to each other without going

727
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: through your home networks, so that if your power goes out,

728
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: they can still talk to each other. Yeah, they're not obviously,

729
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: if your power goes out, they are not going to

730
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: be able to but it means that in the intern

731
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: is at the carbon monoxide and smell detectors that they

732
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: will still operate. Yes, exactly. Uh. One of the cool

733
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: things I actually looked at tear down of a Nest thermostat,

734
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: and there was they showed the battery inside the thermostat

735
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: and a couple of cool things about it. One, the

736
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: battery is there sort of to act kind of in

737
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: the place of a capacitor. Now, a capacitor is designed

738
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: to store up energy and then release it all at once.

739
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: The battery is not releasing it all at once. What's

740
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: there to do is to supplement the electricity that the

741
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: Nest thermostat gets from your home. So you hardwire it

742
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: to your home, right, so it's connected to your HVAC

743
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: system that way, and it draws power that way. But

744
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: that power is not sufficient enough for it to do

745
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: some of the ultra cool things the Nest does, like

746
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: broadcast over WiFi or have that beautiful LCD screen which

747
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: is I think four bit and three twenty by three

748
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: twenty resolution. So you know, most thermostats don't have that,

749
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: they don't need that much power, but this one does,

750
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: so the battery provides that extra power. The cool thing

751
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: about the tear down was they showed that not only

752
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: is it a replaceable battery, but the directions on how

753
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: to replace it are actually on the various cables that

754
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: attached to the battery itself. It says pull this, push this,

755
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: and so uh they they it was, I fix it.

756
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: That's a great website for anyone who likes tear downs,

757
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: you should go check that out, but specifically to show

758
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: how easy or difficult it is to take apart various

759
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: pieces of equipment if you ever have to repair it.

760
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: So it's really meant for repair folks. You know, it's

761
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily meant for the average person. But they said

762
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: this is remarkable because not only is it easy to do,

763
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: but they even include instructions on how to do it.

764
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: It's very it's very repair friendly, which if you think

765
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: back to the fact this guy's from Apple might shock you.

766
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: That's some commentary. But they also have sensors that are

767
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: humidity sensors, so that it can control a humidifier or

768
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: de humidifier if that's part of your climate control system.

769
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: I do not have one of those. Um Also, it

770
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: can work with you know, have you ever seen the

771
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: systems that have UH heating elements underneath floors, so it

772
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: can actually do radiant heating. It will heat the floor

773
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: system they have. They will work with the nest too.

774
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: They have sensors that will work with that as well. Yes,

775
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome and UH and it's also important because

776
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: one of the drawbacks to those those systems. One thing

777
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: is that they are really efficient and they're very quiet,

778
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: but it takes a while for it to warm up

779
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: a room, and they tend to kind of muck with

780
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: regular thermostats. Thermostats really have trouble being able to detect

781
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: when a room is a comfortable temperature using this radiant

782
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: heat technology. But the Nest one has a mode in

783
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: it when you if you have that kind of system

784
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: and you hook it up into the Nest, it can

785
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: take that into consideration and thus not be confused, so

786
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: you don't end up with floors that are too warm

787
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: to walk on, which would be bad. The floor is

788
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: literally lava. Yeah, so it also is you know, it's

789
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: it's got all the elements of your basic computer. Is

790
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: really what is it? And it's a circular circuit board.

791
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: So if you look at those tear downs, it is

792
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: a thing of beauty. And in fact, I think on

793
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: the I fix at one in particular, they say, you

794
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: don't seem any circular circuit boards. This is pretty cool.

795
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: That's that's really cute. That's that I mean, it's it's

796
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: an optimization of the space, which is wonderful, But just

797
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: that kind of design detail is wonderful. Yep, yep. So

798
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: it's really an interesting product. It's one of those things

799
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: where maybe eventually I will I will go whole hog

800
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: and and save up the money to refit my house

801
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: because I would need to share, I would need it's

802
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: it would be a significant investment. You know, you're talking

803
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: at that point for for me to replace the thermostats

804
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: and the smoke detectors in my house. We're talking more

805
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: than a thousand dollars. So that's not a small amount

806
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: of money. It's certainly not. But um, you know, some

807
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: of the cool stuff I talked about what some of

808
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: those naysayers are talking about with with this entire Google deal,

809
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: But some of the cool stuff that could go on,

810
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, uh, nest could potentially collaborate with your Google

811
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: apps to automatically detect when you're on vacation or how

812
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: long it takes you to get home from work and

813
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: uh and an update its temperature preferences based on that,

814
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: and it's temperature warm up and cool down. Yeah. I

815
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: didn't even mention that the WiFi connectivity allows it to

816
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: even figure out what the temperature is in your region,

817
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: so that it can anticipate how hard it's going to

818
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: have to work, or how hard your HVAC system will

819
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: have to work to camera act whatever the outside temperature

820
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: happens to be so here in Atlanta, for example, and

821
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: say I don't know July, it would know that the

822
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: temperature outside is surface of the sun. And therefore, if

823
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: you are going to be home in forty five minutes,

824
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: it might as well start cranking up the A C now,

825
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: because that's how long it's going to take it for

826
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: your house to be habitable by the time you get there.

827
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: Also some commentary um Also, Nest employees could potentially start

828
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: collaborating with with other Google departments and and working on

829
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: on hardware, maybe maybe that elusive smart watch that we've

830
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: been hearing about, or some of those automated cars or

831
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: our personal robots that Google X has been talking. If

832
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: I find out that the Google automated car gets a

833
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: Nest climate control system in it, I'm just like, just

834
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: just just sell it, just let me buy one, or

835
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: not even climate control. I mean, these are clearly incredibly

836
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: um smart savvy people who are working for Nest. They

837
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: could they could work on any number of projects, and

838
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: they could they could be I mean, like could Nest

839
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: be Google's new smart home division. Yeah, no, it totally

840
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: could be that. Now, you know, before we get all

841
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: excited about that, let's keep in mind that Motorola has

842
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: not exactly become Google's you know, mobile division. And in fact,

843
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: there's some talk of Motorola spinning off and becoming its own, uh,

844
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: independent subcompany again, so you know, there's we're not we're

845
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: not ready to prognosticate fully yet. It's too bad. I

846
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: didn't make this one of my two thousand fourteen predictions

847
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: that Google was going to buy Nest. I did not

848
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: see that coming, and I don't think anybody saw this

849
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: one coming, aside from maybe like Larry Page. And yeah,

850
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: I did make the joke on Twitter that if Google wanted,

851
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: they could pay me three point one billion and I'd

852
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: be happy to manually change everyone's thermostatic for them whenever

853
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: they liked. But they did not take me up on that,

854
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: which is too bad because then I could have afforded

855
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: to get the Nest once put in my house. All right, Well, anyway,

856
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: that wraps up our our discussion about Nest the company,

857
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: the fact that it has entered into this new era. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we don't really know what that means yet.

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Speaker 1: you know this, this could mean some dark stuff in

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Speaker 1: the future. I'm hoping that that's not the case. I'm

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Speaker 1: so than say, any kind of advertiser. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: but I'm still hoping. I think it could benefit all

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Speaker 1: of us equally. All Right, there we go. Everyone can

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