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<v Speaker 1>We are back at it. Another weekend has kicked off.

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<v Speaker 1>As we begin to new this weekend and the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>story in all of sports right now involves the Miami Dolphins,

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<v Speaker 1>a former Dolphin coach, and a bunch of NFL teams

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<v Speaker 1>that are scorming right now. A bunch of NFL owners

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<v Speaker 1>that are scorming right now. This Brian Flores story is insane,

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<v Speaker 1>and who better to talk about it than a guy

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Dan lust. Dan joins the series

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<v Speaker 1>a practicing sports attorney. You've heard him on some Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports radio shows. He's been all over the place, you

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<v Speaker 1>name it, he's popped up. This has been a big

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<v Speaker 1>week for him, as he has been on television and

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<v Speaker 1>radio doing a number of interviews. Uh, he is a

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<v Speaker 1>practicing attorney, as he said, but also he's a sports

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<v Speaker 1>law profess Sir at New York Law School. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>the gift for gab. I first heard of him with

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<v Speaker 1>my friend Tony Bruno a couple of years back. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is good, and I'm glad that finally we

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<v Speaker 1>get to touch base and to have a conversation here,

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<v Speaker 1>me and him. So let's give it up now to

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Lusti also hosts a very popular sports law podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>his own podcast, Conduct Detrimental. So Dan, let's get right

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<v Speaker 1>into it, the story of the week involving Brian Flores.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been all over it providing some great perspective on this.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of money involved, a lot of reputations involved

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<v Speaker 1>in this depending on how far it goes, so on

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<v Speaker 1>a scale of one to ten, with ten being as

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<v Speaker 1>big as it possibly can get. Dan, how massive is

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<v Speaker 1>this Brian Flores story? I think you gotta lean towards

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<v Speaker 1>a ten. And right, Um, you know it's obviously there's

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<v Speaker 1>always the possibility the case gets dismissed and you know

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of lose on a procedural ground. But the allegations, right, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's somebody calling out the NFL, not not indirectly. Right. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you can talk about the Colin kaeperni case. Was it

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<v Speaker 1>a case about race kind of you know, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was really a case without kneeling. Um, it was not

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<v Speaker 1>really a case that hit directly to the core. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what Brian Flores is doing. And then, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'll give you one step further. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Colin Kaepernick case, right was one person versus thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two teams. Uh. The Kirk Flood case, another v case

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<v Speaker 1>in our our sports little history books, was one guy

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<v Speaker 1>versus the league. This is a class action lawsuit, which

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it's not just Ryan Flores. He's inviting coaches

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<v Speaker 1>of the past, Right that maybe we're wrong. Be it

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<v Speaker 1>Marvin Lewis, be it um you know through Jackson Vatube

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<v Speaker 1>called blow some of those guys he explicitly references isn't complaint.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is gonna be uh, you know, maybe tens,

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<v Speaker 1>if not hundreds of people joining Brian Flores on the sideline,

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<v Speaker 1>no fun attended and going after the NFL. From from

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<v Speaker 1>an umbers perspective, this could be on you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I'm not wanting to give hyperbole, but from a

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<v Speaker 1>numbers perspective, could be the biggest sports a case of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. Wow. Yeah, And I trying to wrap my

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<v Speaker 1>head around it. And you know, reading some of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and you have you have great information. I know you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a podcast that will will plug as well when

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<v Speaker 1>you took a deep dive in this. But how long

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<v Speaker 1>as a lawyer and someone that teaches law, then this

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to come together pretty quick? How long do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that Brian Flores was working on this behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes because the Giants hired a coach and within a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days boom this lawsuits out. So how fast

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<v Speaker 1>do you think from the time that the lawyers contacted

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<v Speaker 1>him or recontacted the lawyers that they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>turn this thing around very quickly. Um, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>could talk about the timing. There was something intriguing to

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<v Speaker 1>me about the timing element um independent of the substance.

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<v Speaker 1>So they turned this around very quickly. Right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's less than a week they at this thing out. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The question that I have right, like, why would you

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<v Speaker 1>have filed this lawsuit on you know, on this week? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>The statue of limitations for something this is sometimes years,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what was the benefit of doing that? Mind you Also,

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<v Speaker 1>laws is in the middle of interviewing for the Saints

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<v Speaker 1>head coaching position and the Texans head coaching musician. The

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<v Speaker 1>day this lawsuit was filed and became public, he had

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<v Speaker 1>an interview with the New Orleans Saints. So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the lawyer in me because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it was my client, I'd say, hey, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you wait until you get those jobs? So you don't

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<v Speaker 1>care if you get the Texans job at the Saints job,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you know, maybe you want to consider not doing right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure you have to have that conversation, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the other way around if you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>those jobs, wouldn't that make your case even stronger. Right

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you don't get the Texans job and

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<v Speaker 1>you're not competing against Brian Table, there's no one you

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<v Speaker 1>know of that name caliber and you don't get it,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't that say more? So? Then I thought about I

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<v Speaker 1>had this epiphany, as you know, I've been kind of doing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the media tour. I had this epiphany yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, that's why they did it, because right now,

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<v Speaker 1>all eyes around the Houston Texans, you know, they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people have considered him the front under for the position,

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<v Speaker 1>and I imagine to some except with the Saints as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But now if he doesn't get it, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see you play out in real time. Right whoever they

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<v Speaker 1>announced for that job, be Flores or whoever else, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put exponentially more pressure and more attention on this lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I thought that time it was interesting. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of rushed, you know, by all means, no

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<v Speaker 1>one files a lawsuit within like five days of the

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<v Speaker 1>thing happening. It's kind of unheard of. Um, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>why they did it. That's why two law firms around this,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was a really unsure, intensive job to get

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<v Speaker 1>this filed, have the media all lined up, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>now kind of sitting pretty as guys like Marvin Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>speak out on your behalf and Hugh Jackson and you

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<v Speaker 1>have a super Bowl two weeks away and you're in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Black History Month. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>very well orchestrated from a PR perspective to get this filed. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when they did to two week lead up

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<v Speaker 1>to the Super Bowl. Yeah, and with that, with that

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<v Speaker 1>is the backup from the lawyer's perspective, because you're you

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<v Speaker 1>know again, you're the lawyer. So how does this work financially?

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<v Speaker 1>Is Brian Flores paying the lawyers? Is this just a

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<v Speaker 1>case for publicity because it's a high profocus. I've read

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<v Speaker 1>the law firm these guys. Uh. One of the main

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<v Speaker 1>guys was tied to one of the Harvey Weinstein cases.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is not, you know, some small potatoes operation.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you where do you think the money is going?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they're just gonna wait and see what

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<v Speaker 1>the result is and get some of the money out

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<v Speaker 1>of that. How's the financial part of this? So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't the charge is I don't think we know,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's one of two ways the cases are normally

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<v Speaker 1>retained it and you know, as you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>full time practicing attorney. So it's a conversation we have

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<v Speaker 1>when a case walks in the door. Could be a

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<v Speaker 1>good case, dead case. If it's not a great case, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not you don't think there's a part of goal

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the rainbow. You would normally do was

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<v Speaker 1>charge something called like an hourly So any time on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone call, I write a letter, I'm gonna charge

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<v Speaker 1>you and you're gonna get an invoice for it, either

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the week or the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the month, but some type of hourly charge and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get paid that no matter if you win or lose.

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<v Speaker 1>The other way that cases are sometimes handled. And if

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<v Speaker 1>it's the case, it's very desirable that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>law firms want that case all of a sudden, that

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<v Speaker 1>that client has a lot of leverage to say, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I don't want to pay out like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do something called the contingency that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys the law firm, you get paid zero, You get

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<v Speaker 1>paid nothing until we win the case or there's some

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<v Speaker 1>type of settlement and then you guys get a third

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<v Speaker 1>of that, which is very common procedure. It's the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing we saw St. Louis Rams recently. A St. Louis

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<v Speaker 1>sued the NFL on behalf of you know, St. Louis

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<v Speaker 1>Ram's contingency when they left UM and went to over

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<v Speaker 1>to l A. That was a whopping seven ninety million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar settlement the lawyers, if you can believe it, they

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<v Speaker 1>got a third of that. It sounds like a crazy number,

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<v Speaker 1>but then again, for four or five years, those guys

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get paid and they were holding all the risk

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<v Speaker 1>of putting all this work in and getting nothing. So

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<v Speaker 1>he asked me, I'm leaning towards this case being taken

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<v Speaker 1>on a contingency. I think Flora has probably had the

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<v Speaker 1>leverage to ask for that. And if this firm really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted the case and they thought it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be as big as I do, they'd be totally fine

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<v Speaker 1>taking contingency on it. So the theory and Dan I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about us on my radio show this week and

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<v Speaker 1>the overnight, is that there's no way anyone's gonna hire

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<v Speaker 1>and floors that he's now toxic that you can't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't hire the guy. He turned over private messages

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<v Speaker 1>with Belichick and he's kind of violated the bubble of trust.

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<v Speaker 1>But the conspiracy part of me's like, well, what if

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL said, hey, well, you know, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a job with the Saints or one of the one

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<v Speaker 1>of these head coaching jobs and just dropped the lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>Could they even do that? Were they get in trouble?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Is that also illegal to make some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of brokerage deal with Brian Floores at this point, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of you now we're getting into the territory that happened

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<v Speaker 1>with Kaepernick, right. Why the NFL was kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine behind the scenes, we're not gonna know what

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<v Speaker 1>was said in the compositions, but like, why was in

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<v Speaker 1>Kaepernick getting signed at a certain point. Clearly the guy

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<v Speaker 1>had taken his team, you know, to the verge of

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<v Speaker 1>a Super Bowl. Clearly he was better than the backups

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<v Speaker 1>that were being thrown out there left him right, But

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL, I think, behind the scenes, were saying, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not not signing him because of his views of and kneeling.

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<v Speaker 1>We were not signing him because he's a distraction and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot there's a lot to come with us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being a distraction and not necessarily implicit purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, you can't discriminate against someone based on

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<v Speaker 1>like rage, race, age, or sex, right, but not signing

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<v Speaker 1>someone because they were a distraction. Yeah, it's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's at least colorable that that's not some type

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<v Speaker 1>of discrimination. I think now, um, you know, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be detectives making that argument, certainly, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think now you'd say the guy was the most qualified guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of noise about hiring him, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to have a rebuild and they get ready

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<v Speaker 1>have the Deshaun Watson situation on our hands. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just can't can't afford a second you know hit

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Pr I think people could understand that that's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not a discriminate where you purpose. Again, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be making that argument from the Texans. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why, you know, I mentioned so much more pressure

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<v Speaker 1>placed than the Texans. You might have got the job.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have people in my replies on Twitter it's

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Scans that say they want him to get the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Independent of all of this, he's the he's the most

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<v Speaker 1>qualified guy for the job. He turned around the Miami

0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Dolphins in one year. Maybe this is the right guy

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<v Speaker 1>for the job. Um. But yeah, if he doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>it right, and uh, you know, I don't know, could

0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.480
<v Speaker 1>they could they create some type of deal, Hey, we'll

0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.959
<v Speaker 1>give you this job if you make the lawship go away. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but who's who's gonna cut that deal? The things are

0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna cut that deal with textans are gonna cut that deal,

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<v Speaker 1>um and make their games kind of this media frenzy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know if the team is willing

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<v Speaker 1>to sign up to that. Yeah, it is. It is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously this whole thing. And I read some

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<v Speaker 1>of the documents online, the fifty eight pages uh that

0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:29.600
<v Speaker 1>were out there with some of those who just you know,

0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:34.800
<v Speaker 1>signed legal documents and whatnot. But uh, the question how

0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.640
<v Speaker 1>much of this is actually meaty so far? You know,

0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.880
<v Speaker 1>early on could have more stuff added to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like a lot of the word you lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>uses hearsay. Uh, is there a lot there? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And I like to pretend like I'm a lawyer, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>But the way I read it, I said, well that

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<v Speaker 1>these points can be argued by the NFL, and they

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<v Speaker 1>could probably get out of most of this stuff, if

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<v Speaker 1>not all this off. How did you read it when

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about the actual rather than just hearsay stuff

0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that actually is gonna stick here. That's that's really at

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<v Speaker 1>the crux of the case, right. Um, you know, even

0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.400
<v Speaker 1>even Stephen Ross stuff, I don't know what evidence he

0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.960
<v Speaker 1>has to shupport that Stephen Ross offered him a bribe

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<v Speaker 1>to lose James. I imagine Ross would have been smart enough,

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<v Speaker 1>if indeed this is true, not put it in a

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<v Speaker 1>text or an email. Um. And I'll go one step

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<v Speaker 1>further seeing how they put the Bill Belichick text in

0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the complaint. Uh, that's a you know, a creative move

0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.120
<v Speaker 1>by the lawyer's about They didn't have to do that.

0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.680
<v Speaker 1>They could have saved that for later and getting exchanged it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they would have put a Stephen Ross text

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<v Speaker 1>or an email like that directly in the complaints. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what they have by way of physical evidence. UM. Uh,

0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, certainly that's going to be very important. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned here saying he said, she said, who's

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<v Speaker 1>more credible? Even having now what's coming out with the

0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Denver Broncos. They're completely refuting his report. Um, you know

0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.160
<v Speaker 1>that the Broncos and Elway showed up late to their

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<v Speaker 1>meeting and they say they have documentary evidence to back

0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.600
<v Speaker 1>that up. So when you bring a case like this, uh,

0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not just you know, oh I believe the NFL more,

0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I believe Flooras more. It's really all eyes are on

0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Flora's and the plaintiffs. They they are the burden of proof.

0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.920
<v Speaker 1>They have to prove their case. They have to come

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<v Speaker 1>forward with the evidence. The court will allow you to

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<v Speaker 1>get in if you kind of have a colorable or

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<v Speaker 1>good faith basis to believe something, but you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to find that during discovery, Um you know, the depositions, emails,

0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.320
<v Speaker 1>whatnot or else the case gets dismissed. Um. So yeah,

0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's that's this next period of the case,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming it gets the discovery, is gonna be really crucial, right.

0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Bill Belichick is gonna have to answer the tough questions,

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<v Speaker 1>always gonna have to answer the question Stephen Ross and

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<v Speaker 1>so who's who of of NFL personnel? Um? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you can't just have a case on here set.

0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean sometimes you can but it needs something that

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<v Speaker 1>the jury can really put weight into a look at,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can hold up in front of the jury

0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.600
<v Speaker 1>they say, here's this email. Here's this email from the Giants, right,

0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.400
<v Speaker 1>here's this email from the Broncos. So yeah, this stage,

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody tells you, you know, Florida's is definitely gonna

0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.040
<v Speaker 1>win or he's not gonna win, no one has any

0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.200
<v Speaker 1>clue because no one has seen the emails. Right. So

0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that's that's really where this case is gonna be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most well. Absolutely then, and that's you know,

0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you follow all these legal stories. Are great on social

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<v Speaker 1>media and whatnot. I know, you do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>radio stuff and TV and whatnot. But the the email

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<v Speaker 1>and with what we learned from the Washington I guess

0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the Redskins now they're the commanders or whatever. But the

0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the John Gruden story that came out of that, and

0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, that was just an email. He I'm sure

0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.040
<v Speaker 1>he never imagined crudent that that would ever come back

0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.840
<v Speaker 1>to bite him, and it did. And so you know,

0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.160
<v Speaker 1>the the owners, I mean, you follow these things a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. They're not going to allow this to get

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery, are they? Because imagine the skeletons they've got

0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.880
<v Speaker 1>in those those emails. Although some of these guys are

0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.360
<v Speaker 1>so old, I don't know if they even email, but

0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:53.840
<v Speaker 1>there's there's gotta be stuff out there, right, I mean,

0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I would think right, just I mean, if you ask

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<v Speaker 1>me this question maybe like two or three months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, I'm not sure. You know, these are

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar teams. They probably are very smart. They probably

0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, smart, like I don't know, sneaky, right,

0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.760
<v Speaker 1>they don't put anything in writing. Let's just talk about it,

0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.040
<v Speaker 1>assuming that's what's going on here. Um. But was so

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<v Speaker 1>with John Gruden saga that at a very fundamental level,

0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.840
<v Speaker 1>those emails were horrendous. Those emails existed on the server

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<v Speaker 1>for years and no one said anything about him. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think the grouting case kind of pulled the curtain

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<v Speaker 1>back a little bit and tells you that maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>more behind the scenes than we've ever really, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thought about. John Gruden made it to the highest level

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<v Speaker 1>of the NFL head coach, right, and he was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his head coach for different teams over the course of

0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, more than a decade, So you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what's behind the curtain. You asked me whether the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL is going to pay to make this go away.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they'd love to, but that always depends on

0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the plaintiff in the case. Um. You know, another case

0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.440
<v Speaker 1>that you know I've been doing a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of coverage on is the DeShawn Watson case. There's

0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty two individuals who assuming DeShawn Watson in civil court.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been reported that some of those individuals want to

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<v Speaker 1>settle the case. They want to get other ones are

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<v Speaker 1>more concerned about the message it sense and really sticking

0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.960
<v Speaker 1>into Deshaun Watson and keeping this case in court, keeping

0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.080
<v Speaker 1>it in the public realm. Se get the case of settled.

0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.680
<v Speaker 1>No one's gonna talk about the case anymore. Maybe they

0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.800
<v Speaker 1>will for a week or two, but this narrative of

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<v Speaker 1>Watson has now gone on for a year because there

0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.560
<v Speaker 1>are certain plates that don't want to settle. If he

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<v Speaker 1>asked me, you know, I'm getting the vibes that Floors

0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to settle. He didn't put an amount of

0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.560
<v Speaker 1>money that he was seeking in the complaint, which is

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<v Speaker 1>number one side number two. Is the kind of shock

0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and all value that he put into this complaint. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got the quote. You know, the first sentence of the

0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.880
<v Speaker 1>complaint is the Bill Belichick text. The second sentence of

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<v Speaker 1>the complaint is a quote from Martin Luther King, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he gets into the actual normal legal stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the optics to me point out, this

0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.960
<v Speaker 1>is someone that wants to send a method. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>someone that wants to settle. It's not someone that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go away so quickly. Um, And if you're the NFL,

0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.920
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better

0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.720
<v Speaker 1>because you have now again, like the Hugh Jackson's coming

0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.320
<v Speaker 1>out that Marvin Lewis is coming out, Hugh Jackson has

0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.520
<v Speaker 1>his own allegations that he says the Browns paid him

0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.800
<v Speaker 1>to lose. Is another African American coach who has kind

0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of you know, let go from his team and now

0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.520
<v Speaker 1>can't find another head coaching gig. So yeah, I don't

0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I think the NFL would love to settle it. I

0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.520
<v Speaker 1>just don't think it's their call. Yeah. And as far

0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.600
<v Speaker 1>as Brian Floores doing all the the interviews and from

0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.679
<v Speaker 1>the legal perspective, like the advantage you have right as

0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.040
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer when you have a lawsuit like this is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty confident in the NFL did not know this

0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.160
<v Speaker 1>was coming. Right, This is not normal that you blow

0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the whistle when you're still trying to get a job.

0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.360
<v Speaker 1>That's this. This is an unorthodox way of doing things.

0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.640
<v Speaker 1>So doing all the TV, if he's going on CNN

0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and CBS in all these places, he's doing that for

0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.959
<v Speaker 1>the court of a public opinion. Right, This is this

0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.680
<v Speaker 1>is to try to tug at the heart strings and

0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.200
<v Speaker 1>that that's the message. Right. You have the advantage that

0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.679
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to get your message out before the NFL

0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.360
<v Speaker 1>can counter am. I correct in that. Yeah, I mean,

0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess you have to think. Right, he

0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 1>could file a laws doctor any media. Um, the media

0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 1>is set up, and it wasn't just you know, uh,

0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, podcasts and radios. He went to the two

0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.439
<v Speaker 1>biggest shots where he went to CBS, he went to

0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.760
<v Speaker 1>ESPN back to back, and he had his lawyers on

0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the stage. You know. Um, I don't know about the

0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 1>wisdom of this, but comparing him, you know, and they

0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted this lawsuit to Rosa Parks, which I think is

0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.800
<v Speaker 1>a creative decision. I who am I to say whether

0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.480
<v Speaker 1>or not he's the Rosa Parks in the NFL office

0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Speaker 1>early stage, but that was a calculated move that his

0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.960
<v Speaker 1>attorney planned to say. So, I don't know. Anyway, I

0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.600
<v Speaker 1>think to your point, the message it's sending is that

0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.160
<v Speaker 1>this is not a guy that's gonna settle and walk away.

0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.159
<v Speaker 1>If if Ryan Floores accepted a check tomorrow for a

0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred million dollars and walked away, it sends a really

0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.320
<v Speaker 1>bad message, right, Um, it sends a message of someone

0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that literally built up all the teams you just get paid,

0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and to walk away again, it seems like someone that's

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.160
<v Speaker 1>giving up for a long protracted fight, similar to kaepernet

0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.680
<v Speaker 1>in case took you know, years to develop. Um. Yeah,

0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.760
<v Speaker 1>so I don't it's your earlier point. I think it

0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.520
<v Speaker 1>sends the message that if you hire are employers for

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<v Speaker 1>better for worse, there's gonna be a lot of attention

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.080
<v Speaker 1>on your team and not necessarily on the field results,

0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.080
<v Speaker 1>which I'm not sure if the team is gonna willingly

0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 1>sound up for that. And Dan, if you were advising

0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.080
<v Speaker 1>with your your legal mind there, if you were advising

0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.640
<v Speaker 1>the wonderful world of the NFL there, I don't really

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.439
<v Speaker 1>have plenty of lawyers themselves, but what what should the

0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.080
<v Speaker 1>NFL do now? Because this is the ultimate hot potato no,

0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:25.760
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's like a lot of guys don't

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.919
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about it because they're still employed by

0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:33.639
<v Speaker 1>the NFL and everyone's very uncomfortable walking on eggshells. So

0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.159
<v Speaker 1>what what would you do if you're the NFL? How

0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:40.920
<v Speaker 1>would you handle this with grace? If you will? Um? Well,

0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.439
<v Speaker 1>I take damage control the two words that come to mind, right,

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 1>um And I think at a fundamental level that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't know that. I don't know what the

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.119
<v Speaker 1>right expression is. I think they kind of blew it

0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.960
<v Speaker 1>with their initial statement. They said, you know, you can

0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.040
<v Speaker 1>read the whole statement. You know, they put US statements,

0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Giants for US statement, Proco's browns Um, all the teams

0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.520
<v Speaker 1>associated the one that's getting a lot of flak at

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the NFL statement because it was done, you know, pretty crudely.

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.679
<v Speaker 1>It was sent out about an hour after the text

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the lawsuit was filed, and it ends with Brian Flores'

0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:17.000
<v Speaker 1>claims are without merit. So you know, you can convince

0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.200
<v Speaker 1>me that the claim his legal cases have got married.

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.600
<v Speaker 1>You're not really going to convince me that his claim

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.360
<v Speaker 1>that the NFL has a real diversity problem. That that's

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 1>without Marrit That's pretty clear, right, Mike Tomlin is the

0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.680
<v Speaker 1>only uh you know blackhead coach's only six general managers

0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.400
<v Speaker 1>that are black and I have no owners. So yeah,

0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's subjective. Um. And then the other part

0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.959
<v Speaker 1>is like, I don't know Stephen Ross this allegation that

0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.920
<v Speaker 1>he paid uh you know Flora's a hundred thousands to

0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.600
<v Speaker 1>tank games. I don't know how you say that without merit,

0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 1>without conducting a full blown investigation. So my advice to

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.240
<v Speaker 1>the NFL would have been, let's let you have your statement,

0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.520
<v Speaker 1>not emphatically say that Flora's is one percent raw. That

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make any sense. Um, it should be re launching

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 1>a full and unfettered investigation. We're prepared to defend this,

0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.000
<v Speaker 1>but you know, we take these claims very seriously. We

0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.200
<v Speaker 1>were launching a full investigation. We'll have more on this

0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>at a later point in time. Without the statement, that

0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:12.480
<v Speaker 1>don't completely pro proved. Brian Flores, who's I think whether

0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.480
<v Speaker 1>he wins to loses his case, I think he's right

0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that there is a diversity problem and something needs to

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 1>be done about it. If the NFL doesn't want to

0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean that's kind of what their

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.400
<v Speaker 1>message said, that there's nothing here and we're gonna swiftly

0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.439
<v Speaker 1>move and we're gonna get this case dismissed. Nothing to

0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.960
<v Speaker 1>see here onto the Super Bowl. Let's talk about Brady's retirement. Um,

0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 1>that's how I read it, which I think was was

0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely inappropriate. Yeah, And based on what you've said here

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and kind of reading, reading the room and hearing things,

0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and does your gut tell you that if we have

0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:47.080
<v Speaker 1>this conversation in February of three, that this thing is

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:51.480
<v Speaker 1>still out there or does this end up vanishing by

0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.879
<v Speaker 1>next NFL season, which is in September. What's what is

0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.399
<v Speaker 1>more likely to happen? What do you think we're gonna know?

0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to say in about days. If so, the

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 1>NFL is gonna move to dismiss, which they always do.

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 1>They moved to do it in the Grooting case. They

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.680
<v Speaker 1>always moved to dismiss, we'll know. And if that says

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.760
<v Speaker 1>right around and maybe a little bit longer, if the

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:14.720
<v Speaker 1>judge agrees with that, kind of the case would be

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:16.640
<v Speaker 1>kicked out of court. And if it's not kicked out

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 1>of court, because when you entered discovery, so I don't

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.720
<v Speaker 1>discovery takes years, right, I mean it's it's a long process.

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.359
<v Speaker 1>So we'll know and you know, again at six and

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.680
<v Speaker 1>ninety period, if this case is going to go a year,

0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.920
<v Speaker 1>two years, three years, um, because that's how long takes

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 1>to depose all these people, to depose all thirty two teams.

0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It took that St. Louis Ram's case that was, you know,

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 1>alleging that the NFL committed a fraud by moving the

0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.160
<v Speaker 1>team from St. Louis Los Angeles. You know, it legitimately

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.320
<v Speaker 1>took that case four years to get ready for trial. Um.

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And it didn't have the same type of sensitive undertones

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 1>that this case does. And that this case will be

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:54.040
<v Speaker 1>playing out very publicly. So yeah, I you know, asked

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 1>me to bet on it right now. Uh, And I think,

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 1>as you know, I'm a I'm a betting guy. I'd

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>say I'd say be minus two that this case is

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.480
<v Speaker 1>around a year from today. Bet the over. You gotta

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 1>bet the over on this is what you gotta do. Yeah.

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>And the John Gruden's story, now this is kind of

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 1>off the radar, is not getting that much attention. Uh legally,

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, does does Gruden have a leg to stand on.

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I know that there was a suit file as you

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 1>you talked about the NFL im mediately tried to dismiss

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:31.479
<v Speaker 1>it and all this stuff. But we're Gruden's at right now.

0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 1>He's also probably not gonna work in the NFL game.

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 1>But is there any kind of way that he can

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:42.240
<v Speaker 1>get some money out of the NFL and actually win this? Um?

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's another case kind of what we're talking

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.679
<v Speaker 1>about with for It's like, I don't really think really

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>cares about the money. UM. I think Gruden losing his

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.439
<v Speaker 1>job with the with the Raiders and whatever endorsements. I

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 1>think he had a sketcher's deal. How much money was

0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 1>that really work? Uh? He had signed a ten year

0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I think a hundred million dollar contract. I think he

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.360
<v Speaker 1>was a couple years in. It is at fifty million,

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you know at most, um, you know, maybe a little

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 1>bit more for the endorsements. UM, I don't. I don't

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 1>really think he was entitled to that number one is

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 1>that canna be titled to the whole amount? Because it's

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, will you have kept his job anyway? You know,

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the Raiders were kind of a middling team, right, Um,

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 1>But I don't, I don't think it's a guy that

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 1>cares about money. I think that the guy that cares

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.679
<v Speaker 1>about his reputation being destroyed, uh and wants to see

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 1>why they leave the emails? Who else was in it? Um? Whatnot?

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>If you asked me, I actually I actually think that

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Gruden's cases and hopefully old takes exposes and find me

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.640
<v Speaker 1>on this. But like, I think there's some credibility there

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 1>to the to the gruten case. Maybe it's an easier

0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.159
<v Speaker 1>case to prove than the Florida's case because, like I

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know, there's hundreds of thousands of emails, and only

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 1>the emails that are leaked belonged to John Gruden, So

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that seems to be someone selectively doing it. And then

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>only three people had the emails, the lawyers for Washington

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Football team, Washington Football team. I guess now the commanders

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.440
<v Speaker 1>will call them in the NFL that was it. So

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>someone like the emails, and I think everyone can agree

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.199
<v Speaker 1>whoever leaked probably committed some type of you know, some

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.439
<v Speaker 1>type of tortious element, some type of that has some

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>type of legal liability. So it was either Washington Football team,

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the lawyers, or the NFL. Right, it's you've just gotta

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>take your poison here, whereas you know in the Floor's case,

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>you's gonna prove this. It's thirty two teams, gotta prove

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 1>some collective elements. It's certainly a much tougher sell well.

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>And also Gruden was not an employee of the NFL

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>right at the time, so when when those emails were sent, Uh,

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>he was not working for the NFL. And it is interesting.

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember we were talking about that on the radio show,

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>and those emails were all leaked to like major newspapers

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 1>in New York, which I know the lawyer, a lot

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of lawyers in New York and when you're in New York,

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 1>but it just seemed like it's right near the NFL offices,

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Like it was just too too convenient that that took place.

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>But moving on from that, though, Dan, the Commanders, you've

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>had some great stuff on social media, and I know

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>you've got the podcast as well, The Commanders the Ultimate

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Bland nickname and uh, it's just just generic. I guess

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 1>we're in the age now where you can't have anything fun.

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 1>But you brought up a great point on on social

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>media that one of the reasons that we have this

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>not only because everyone gets offended by everything these days.

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But also there was some random guy, right I guess

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>in Virginia who has been waiting for this name change

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and it had been hoarding different names. Explain kind of

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>walked me through what this guy was able to pull

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>off and apparently successfully pull off and stonewall a billion

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>four billion dollar NFL team. I'm so hoping you bring

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>this up like the sports laws now in the last

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're so getting a nice platform. I've been

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 1>aware of all these like little niche stories for years,

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's nice that they're coming out. There's a random

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>actuary from Virginia. He has no time to the NFL.

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>He has He's just a random guy. If you looked

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>at him on the street, you wouldn't look twice. Just

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.360
<v Speaker 1>some random dude. And a couple of years ago he goes,

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think the name Redskins is probably

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.679
<v Speaker 1>going to get in trouble with Maybe this guy was

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.919
<v Speaker 1>like maybe, like, um, you know, an early investor in crypto,

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.439
<v Speaker 1>he saw the trend happening before it really came to be,

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:21.719
<v Speaker 1>and he said, you know, it would be fun if

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I just started trademarking all these names. Uh, Washington Presidents,

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Washington Monuments, Washington Justice, Washington Red Tails, which I guess

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>is a very popular name. Washington read Wolves, you know,

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>another popular name that I guess people Washington really wanted.

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>So while he's doing this, Dan Stider is being interviews,

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, very public interviews and saying we will never

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.159
<v Speaker 1>change the name. Never you could print that, um. And

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>this guy's just sitting here, you know, a lot of

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the trademarking about thirty names of pretty you know good,

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 1>you know good. I don't know solid names that I

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>would think are better than commanders. So this guy does it.

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 1>He starts opening up an online store with mugs and

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>hats and T shirts. And for trademark law, you need

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to just prove you had a good faith basis for

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.679
<v Speaker 1>using the name you were putting into commercial use. So

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>he's selling like two mugs a T shirt with the

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Washington Monuments on it, and and that you know was

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>viewed by some as being legitimate. So fast forward and

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>obviously we know what happened. Washington announces the name change

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and Jason write the team president I thought had the

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>most telling interview. He goes, well, there were other names

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>we wanted, but you know, there was kind there was

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>some trademark issues and we kind of had to go

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>a different route. And I'm sitting there, you know, like

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that Leonardo DiCaprio meme when he's like spitting up his

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>beer and pointing at the television, I'm like, that's my guy,

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Martin McAuley. You know, you just stone wall the billion

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>dollar team into submission. So if you're unhappy with the

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>commander's name, Um, there's a there's a there's a world

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.479
<v Speaker 1>where you should be chuckling a little bit that this

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 1>one guy was able to disrupt the whole NFL momentum.

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's really a crazy story. Maybe a movie someday, Yeah,

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>that definitely has You could see that on the big screen.

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Like had just selling your kind of disheveled guy and

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>he's just because it doesn't cost that much, my my

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>correct name, like the way to get something copyrighted or

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>trademark or whatever. It's not it's not that expensive, right,

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Like he didn't How much do you think the guy

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>was spending to trademark all these different names. It must

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>not have been that much. I would think probably for

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>four figures, you know, maybe low five figures. It's not

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be that much, but we're the critical flow

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>was for Washington. Um, as far as I know when

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>when Dantonner said we're never changing the name, I imagine right,

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 1>if I'm a lawyer, I would probably have said, well, Dan,

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I know you never change the name. You know, if

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you do change it, shouldn't we get back up? It's

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>hoping it cost us like a thousand bucks. You know,

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>what do you think? And UM, I don't think they

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>did that. That was the mistake from the legal perspective, Like,

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you don't You can say you're never

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>changing the name, but you know, um, at least spending

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>thousand bucks. You guys are worth a billion dollars, so

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>bi in and tickets every year. Get a backup name

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>so you don't look really stupid and you have some

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>random Virginia actually talking on you and making you look

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>incredibly incompetent. Absolutely, Uh A little time left. I wanted

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to talk about Deshaun Watson. You mentioned you referenced in earlier.

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>This is also a fascinating, you know, sports law case

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>that he's missed an entire season. This thing is still

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 1>dragging on and on and on. I know we're after

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl here, there's supposed to be some new

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>revelations that are gonna come out here, and you mentioned

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the publicity part of it, but he's already missed a year.

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to trade for Watson because this is still

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>hanging around with these different women. And I'll ask you

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>a question I asked earlier about the NFL case with

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>with Flores. Uh. We have this conversation, we have you

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>backed in in September, the NFL is about to start

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>another season. Is Deshaun Watson's legal trouble over or is

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>this thing continuing? What do you think happens with Watson?

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>We're about to hit an interesting point with Watson. Um,

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>whether or not you want to believe before it said

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>they've been wrong before. There's reportedly a grand jury that

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>is in the process of convening. You know, it's almost

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>upends depends what the deal is, but the grand jury

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>will announce whether or not there's criminal charges. Um. The

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>d A could have made that decision on their own,

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>but they wanted to give it to the grand jury,

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>probably because you know, it's a high profile guy, pretty

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>popular in Houston, and maybe the d A did we

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>wanted to put the blame on on the jury or

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the grand jury. If they, you know, indicted him on

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>criminal charges, that's gonna happen. I mean people have saying

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna happen any minute. It's been eleven months and

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>we haven't had it. I imagine, you know, we're getting

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>closer there. Um, if there are criminal charges, I don't

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>think Watson is ready. I think Watson gets kind of,

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Michael Vick treatment, and he just put

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>put in the background for years. I don't know. Michael

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Vick was legitimately sent to prison, Um, you know, and

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that happened fairly quickly. I don't. I think it's two

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>premature say that with Watson. But I think if you're

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a betting man again as as I am, Um, I

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>think that maybe it's less than it's certainly less. It's

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>closer to even money. But I think you'd predict that

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>there'd be some form of criminal charges that the a's

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>officers circling this. They sent out subpoenas for his social

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>media accounts. They put a lot of time into this case.

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>It would be odd for them to walk away with nothing. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard the same reports, which I'm sure you did that.

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<v Speaker 1>The Carolina Panthers were considering potentially trading for him, even

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<v Speaker 1>though this was hanging over his head, and ultimately they

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<v Speaker 1>did not. Um that the Dolphins, you know, speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Flores, that those guys were thinking of trading criminal

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately did not. The trade window opens back up on

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<v Speaker 1>March sixteen, so pretty soon. Um, if there are no

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<v Speaker 1>criminal charges by that time, it's possible a team takes

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<v Speaker 1>a chance. Um, but again, my my gut, I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the over is. I'll certainly go with it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the case. Then even on a civil thing,

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<v Speaker 1>if it doesn't become criminal and he ends up having

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he loses, then he's going to be suspended.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's suspended either way, which is weird because

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<v Speaker 1>he's aready missed a season. So anyway, listen, I I

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<v Speaker 1>love you on on Twitter, falling you from afar there

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<v Speaker 1>and you're you've got your podcast. How can people keep

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<v Speaker 1>in contact, get caught up on all the sports law

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<v Speaker 1>and you're blowing up here, You're on TV radio, you're everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You're You're a one man machine over there. Dan. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very impressive. Um, I appreciate it um and uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're getting lucky with a couple of big stories.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm on social media at sports law Lust

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter and Instagram. Uh. And then our podcast called

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<v Speaker 1>Conduct Detrimental. Obviously we dedicated a full episode to the

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Floyd stuff. We've done Washington football team, DeShawn Watson. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the Conduct Detrimental is uh the top sports

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<v Speaker 1>lave podcast in the world. I'm not sure that's saying

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<v Speaker 1>much because there's only like three of us, but people

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<v Speaker 1>say top sports lave podcast in the history of humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's even better. Well, I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>know Dan, I you know, I love I'm fascinated. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>jealous that you get to work in that world because

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<v Speaker 1>I every time I'm doing sports radio and it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>standard fair, but anytime one of these stories comes up,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine myself as a lawyer, and I try to

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<v Speaker 1>think like a lawyer, and it's a I always have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun with these things. So I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>your expertise, and thank you. We'll have you on again,

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<v Speaker 1>and good luck, thank you, my pleasure you tom me

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<v Speaker 1>when