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Speaker 1: Hey, what welcome and I'm Doug Gottlieban. This is all ball. Um.

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Speaker 1: I have a great guest for you on this All Ball.

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Speaker 1: Christopher chevit Is is going to join me. He's the

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Speaker 1: CEOO of High Times. You're like, wait what, Gottlieb like,

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Speaker 1: this is not all that smoke. No, no, no no, it's

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Speaker 1: not okay, but he has an amazing, amazing story. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I just he said he played professionally in Israel, among

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Speaker 1: other countries, mostly in Israel. But how he got there

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Speaker 1: from growing up. It's kind of a late bloomer in

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Speaker 1: South Florida. Fascinating tale. And of course now he's the

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Speaker 1: CEO of like you don't have to be a pothead

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Speaker 1: which is a huge growing, uh huge growing industry to

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Speaker 1: know High Time. She's like, oh, it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: the New York Times of wheat. Is that okay? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can do that, we can do we can do that.

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Speaker 1: Before you get to that, let me give you this

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Speaker 1: on Chet Holmgren. So Chet breaks his foot and you'll

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Speaker 1: get people saying, oh, man should be playing in these

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Speaker 1: pro ams. Now, I don't love the pro ams with

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Speaker 1: with some of the fact that they just don't play

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Speaker 1: any defense, or you gotta yea who who's you know,

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Speaker 1: played overseas for years and maybe he's lost a couple

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Speaker 1: getting fouled hard. Um. I think it is interesting that

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Speaker 1: Lebron broke Chet literally looked like landing on his foot

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Speaker 1: that could have happened in any one on one workout,

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Speaker 1: to it. Chet. The bad news is you hurt your feet, feet, hips,

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Speaker 1: back sometimes worse than these. And we are all concerned

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Speaker 1: about his body breaking down and he hadn't even played

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Speaker 1: an NBA game and his body's broken down. On the

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Speaker 1: other hand, it gives him a year to add size,

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Speaker 1: strength and too old his body, just like a year

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Speaker 1: where you don't need to worry about putting the ball

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Speaker 1: in the hoop. And it worked for Blake Griffin. It's

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Speaker 1: worked for you know, other rookies Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons,

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Speaker 1: among others who were either hurt or injured during their

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Speaker 1: what if they got they got victory in chet, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you even see the basket with that length?

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Speaker 1: So there's some good and there's some bad to it.

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Speaker 1: I we've just gotten away from playing five on five,

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Speaker 1: and now guys play five on five going these pro ms,

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Speaker 1: and now because Ched gets hurt, people want to shut

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Speaker 1: down the pro ams. I just I think basketball players

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Speaker 1: should play basketball. That's my my personal view of it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Tweet me at Gottlieb Show or

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Speaker 1: on Facebook or also uh Gotlieb Show on Instagram as well.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get to this Christopher Chabit. He's an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: Amazing story. I want you to think about this. Here's

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Speaker 1: a guy who's the CEO of High Times. He played

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Speaker 1: college basketball. Yeah, listen here it is. Yeah. So you

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Speaker 1: pray right, also retirement like old Jewish retirement area. What

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Speaker 1: was okay? So what was your childhood like? Uh TV

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Speaker 1: everybody says, you know, the weather or parties or the

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Speaker 1: women or whatever, like I actually don't. I think weather's

425
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 1: pretty nice. It's great. But he had a Thanksgiving party

426
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: and because you have all the first division teams are

427
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: really there. Anybody from Jerusalem's coming down getting out of Jerusalem,

428
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: write nothing on there, and then you have all the

429
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 1: second division names. There was sixty American, sixty American ball

430
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: players at his like three bedroom apartment, and it just

431
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: felt like home, right, And we're like, oh do I

432
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 1: remember you? Like, yeah, I hope one of those one

433
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: year my I used to cook Thanksgiving for the for

434
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: the guys, and yeah. You know, it is that Israel

435
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: has such a unique it's such a unique place that

436
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: nobody knows until you go there what it's like. But

437
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: the camaraderie, you know, every every after every game on

438
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 1: Sunday night, whether you win or lose, you're down to

439
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: catch twenty two on the on the beach and Tel Aviv,

440
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, meeting all the ball players. We had our

441
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: own DJs. That with DJ at clubs. I mean, you

442
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: had this camaraderie amongst everybody. Uh, it was great. So okay,

443
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: first thirty nine days. What happened was I tried it

444
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 1: with everybody. Nothing happened. I'm trapping getting that agents done

445
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: with me by now he's thrown me everywhere. I'm crashing

446
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: some guy named Cliff Yoakam's or Cliff Bombom's apartment in

447
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,479
Speaker 1: Yokingham and meanwhile Earl comes and picks me up. Earls

448
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: finally situated and what happened with her Or was at

449
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: the end of his career, and so Nazareth paid him

450
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of money to play in the second division.

451
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: And he was living in Hifa, but didn't want to

452
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: live in nazar So he brought me to his his

453
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: department and gave me a bedroom in a three bedroom

454
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: house and just said, hey, we'll call my agent tomorrow.

455
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: And the first team I tried out with was a

456
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: Paul Hifa. They didn't take me. They took a veteran

457
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: named Dance Smith and loan behold. One day I was

458
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: living right above their gym. Remember I was ready to

459
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: go back home to America. I was done, and I

460
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: went down to practice with him and go, hey, we

461
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: remember you from thirty nine days ago. You know, would

462
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: you like to come practice without a share and long behold.

463
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: I did well, and the next day they said you

464
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: come back, and they offered me a contract, and that's

465
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: how my career started, and we won a championship. I

466
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: brought a team up that year to bring it from

467
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: the third league to the second division. So you're starting

468
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 1: third division. Yeah, we just second nation because you had

469
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: to play one year in order to get your passport,

470
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: right right, That was the My My story was that

471
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, and I wasn't informed that by

472
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: my agent, and I flew in. I was supposed to

473
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: play a team that trained in Italy but played in Russia.

474
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: And I flew in and I go to They take

475
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: me right to the wherever you make ali Yah? Right, yes, so?

476
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: And then I get to the front and she says

477
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: where did you live? And I said Italy. She's like,

478
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: you cannot get your you cannot make Aliah unless you

479
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: live in Israel. And I was like, okay, no, wait

480
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: to tell me that. You said you must too lived

481
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: here for one year. It's like okay, so uh yeah

482
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: that that that that threw me off a bit. Okay,

483
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: so you play in Haifa. You guys go from third

484
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: division to second Vision. Did you stay there for the

485
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: second year? No? I went to another team Serio. Uh.

486
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: The next season, which is right there in the Hifa area,

487
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: lost in the finals against Spot, So didn't make it.

488
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: Didn't bring that team up. And then you know what

489
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: happened was I which you know the second year, third yeard.

490
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: My buddy NaSTA Stevenson now back in Greece, you know,

491
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: got his own company, and he used to bring me

492
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: into Greece and give me a free apartment in Michinos

493
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: for a month or whatever. And I'd be four, saying, okay,

494
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: well what about Wall Street? What about you know, my career?

495
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: And I thought about I was like, what job could

496
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: I have where I could live on a Greek island

497
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: for a month. So I loved to play basketball one

498
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: more year and I just started getting a little better.

499
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: You know. I was a very My biggest assets where

500
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: my my heart and my brain. Right, talent wise, I

501
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: was all hall at cart and brain, you know. And

502
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: I was call it, you know, I don't know if

503
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: you know Nadolf Hannefield from Connecticut. So I was a

504
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: poor man's version of Hannefield, right. I did all live

505
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: dirty work on the court, and I just I wanted.

506
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: I always worked so hard because I never wanted anyone

507
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: to know that I didn't belong. Right when I first

508
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: went there, They're like, hey, we can't find you on

509
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: the internet. We can't find you. I was like, oh,

510
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: you're spelling my name wrong, you know something wrong. So

511
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like they're, uh, you know,

512
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: I played for one coach most of Winecrests for three

513
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: years in the first division. One night, we're having dinner

514
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: and a bunch of people ask me and mind you,

515
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: I've been in Israel for eight years now, so I'm

516
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable with what I've done, and I've gotten every

517
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: job next to next year with what I did the

518
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: previous year. So someone asked me that question, like where

519
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: did you go to school? I go, I went to Florida,

520
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: but I didn't play basketball. The guy drops his work

521
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: and the coach up to me goes, I would have

522
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: never taken you if I knew that. So it's a

523
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: good thing you didn't know. It's amazing. Um uh, why

524
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: do you walk away? I came, So I played. I

525
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. I kept on going first division,

526
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, very successful teams and really just handy greaker

527
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: and I was ready for a change. Like so now

528
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: you get pigeonholed when you go to a country and

529
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: you get type cast as the blue collar guys. Guy dies,

530
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: dies on the floor and fights. But you know, my

531
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: game evolved and I thought I could take it to

532
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: another level. I came out to l A. In two thousands.

533
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I played in the NBA Summer League back when it

534
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: was in Lung Beach at the Pyramid, was playing up

535
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: at the u U C. L A Men's Old Men's

536
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Gym when they used to play all the NBA players

537
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: to run up there. Played in real run over in Carson.

538
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: If you remember that. Uh the old they was like, uh,

539
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: it was like the rugger of the West Coast. Uh.

540
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: Baron Davis was on my team, Arthur leave from Stanford.

541
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: I just saw Paris at the night. I saw you

542
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: at that event and I said, remember the real run

543
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: because you came and dropped fifty and a half against Byron,

544
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 1: against Baron Wants. Uh So, I just had a lot

545
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: of fun. I had some success and I was ready

546
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: to I got tryouts, ready to go for a Montpellier

547
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: in France with her bad Dubiston was a coach and

548
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: also in the Canary Islands. And I was like, great,

549
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: this is my chance to get over to Europe and

550
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: get out of Israel. Use my passport there. Uh So,

551
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: knowing that you try out off the plane, my thought was, hey,

552
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: I gotta return ticket to Israel. Why don't I go

553
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: back to Israel and be ready for the trip to Europe.

554
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a short trip and I'll be a

555
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: little bit fresher. Fly through New York, get to Israel.

556
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: I fly on the last plane on nine eleven out

557
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: of New York the night before, so about eight hours

558
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: that and I fly out of JFK at one in

559
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: the morning to in the morning, I land in Israel.

560
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Uh go to my buddy's house and and you know,

561
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna go ahead and uh, you know, go

562
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: to Europe. From there, Well, the world stopped. Everything changed,

563
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: as you all recall, and I got to the point

564
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: where I needed to stay in shape, so went over

565
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: to start working out with the copy of shown was

566
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: the team I had played for previously, and started working

567
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: out when on a trip and finally got to the

568
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: point where there's no European opportunities. Everything changed, so they

569
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: offered me a contract to play again there. So but

570
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: grudgingly a little bit, I took it, you know, and

571
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: I started this season and I'm thirty two years old,

572
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I'm done. I got everything

573
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: out of basketball I needed. I'm none. Thank God that

574
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: the chairman, Uh, it's a Perry said, listen, you can't

575
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: quit your like a fighter. Andy one knows you in Israel.

576
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're a team guy. See the season

577
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: three best advice I've ever gotten took and I saw

578
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: the season through and finished, and at thirty two I

579
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: was ready to walk away from the game. So how

580
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: do you start your life? Uh? You know it's beautiful extagram.

581
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: I went back to Miami. I was taking care of

582
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: my dad a little bit, had a new replacement surgery.

583
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: And I saw somebody from college that I knew, and

584
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, why don't you come work with us?

585
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: They had a shipping company. It was they five of

586
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: the six owners were fraternity brothers of mine, and they

587
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: had bought a big NBOCC shipping company in Miami called

588
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: Econo carib And they said. I went and learned their

589
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: business in a in a couple of months, and they said,

590
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: would you like to go run her office in the

591
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: Caribbean for us in St. Thomas. I said sure, So

592
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: I took a ship to car and went to St.

593
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: Thomas and Uh, the best acclamation back to society was

594
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: living on the Caribbean island, UH, playing a little golf

595
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: and UH working in the islands, and really it was

596
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: a great experience, you know, just getting back into the

597
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: business world. Did that for a year and a half,

598
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: came back up to Miami, started managing about ten islands

599
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: for them. So I traveled a lot extensively through the Caribbean.

600
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: And ever since I've had a very eclectic project based career.

601
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: That's just one thing led to another, let to another.

602
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: So how did you get to uh running high times

603
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: fast forward? Uh, it's just progression. When I left the

604
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: shipping industry, I got involved in the music business. My

605
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: friend or Young called me and says, hey, I'm coming

606
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: to the States for the first time. I'm fifty five

607
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: years old. I've never been to States, and I'm coming

608
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: to do an album with Willie Mitchell. And I said,

609
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: and he goes, and he goes al Green's producer. I go, oh,

610
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: So I picked up my Al Green's Greatest Hits album,

611
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: looked at the back and it's the same address that

612
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I was recorded at. Was the address he told me

613
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: to meet him at. So fast forward. I met him

614
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: three like a week later, third day at a marm

615
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: around was say, hey, bro, I'm your manager. Let's go.

616
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: So I became his manager He's had his amazing career.

617
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: He has a podcast on his own socially, so how

618
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: do you how do you go from the shipping industry

619
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: to knowing how to manage recording artist's career. So I

620
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: tell my buddies some college say hey, guys, I'm gonna

621
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: train a new person for you, bring them in to

622
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: replace me. I said, I'm gonna go to my own thing.

623
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: And at thirty four years old, I went to Miami

624
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: Day Community College and took two music business classes music

625
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: Business one and two at the same time with a

626
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: bunch of eighteen year olds. And in between weeks, I

627
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: was flying to Beverly Hills and meeting with Al Green's

628
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: booking agent Marshall resident at William Morris, getting some tutelage

629
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: from him too, So I, you know, check the eager

630
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: at the door took it. I knew I knew business,

631
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: but I didn't know music business. But if you read

632
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: uh Passman's you know everything you want to know about

633
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: the music business Version twenty two or whatever he's on. Now,

634
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, you learn a little bit and you jump

635
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: in basketball. Because of my background with basketball and doing

636
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: something that I wasn't supposed to do, on paper enabled

637
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: me to have the confidence to be able to do

638
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: anything I felt, even though I wasn't supposed to be there,

639
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: so to be a manager, you know. The guys who

640
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: had signed him was Tommy tom Silverman Silverman from Tommy

641
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Boy Records at sain Roy. Amazing opportunity. He had twenty

642
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: five years between recording contracts. And the first thing I

643
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: did was I got him booked at the Jamaica Jazz

644
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: and Blues Festival in Montego Bay and put him on

645
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: stage with Earth Wind and Fire and Michael Bolton and

646
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: Kenny Rogers. And he hadn't been back to Jamaica for

647
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: forty years since he was a little kid. So then

648
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: we went on to do New Orleans Jazz fest, We

649
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: did Long Beach out here, we did festivals in Rome

650
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: and it you know, in Florence and had a lot

651
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: of fun. It was a great project. Um okay, then

652
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: what was that for that? Uh? After that was meeting

653
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful woman who became my part of my girlfriend

654
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: and also business partner in iran a woman's empowerment t

655
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: shirt line for four years. That uh Sabrina Barnett collection.

656
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Sabrina was a model. UH two Times Sports illustrating model

657
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: and amazing talent and creator. And she was handwriting in

658
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: beautiful messages on T shirts. And I sent her to

659
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: a charity down in Bolivia and she came back, showed

660
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: me some pictures, and we got into business together and

661
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: did a wholesale business. We hit probably six hundred stores

662
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: and three years with our T shirt line, and uh,

663
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. I learned a lot

664
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: obviously in that experience as all. And from there I

665
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: flew out to Park City and after we had broken

666
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: up and I had given her the business back, and uh,

667
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: I went up to see a buddy. I was doing

668
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: something with a startup out there, and it was a

669
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: technology company that did virtual death stops back in two

670
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, thirteen and uh, two weeks into it,

671
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm senior VP of you know, business and sales, and

672
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about tech, didn't know anything about

673
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: virtual death stops, but learned it, and uh, fifteen months

674
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: later we sold to a public company in out of Toronto.

675
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: I did that knowledge transfer for another year and a half.

676
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: I went back to Miami realized that project was kind of,

677
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, getting a little too corporate for me. Uh,

678
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: stepped away, took a trip around the world for about

679
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: two months and different traveling. Got a chance to go

680
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: back to issue my first time back to disitelps two

681
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen. And to this place you went to

682
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: when you trip around the world. Uh yeah, probably, Uh,

683
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: I would say I went to in cock Singapore, uh, Sydney,

684
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 1: in Honolulu. So I really liked Thailand, very interested to go.

685
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: I didn't see enough of it, so I want to

686
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: go back there. I love the Asian culture. I love travel.

687
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean when when you go overseas and you're living

688
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: overseas for twelve years, like I did, you see that

689
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: you see the United States in a unique way and

690
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: you see foreign you know, countries when you live in them.

691
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: It's much different than you're just traveling. Right, There's a

692
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: difference between the tourist and the travelers. So I really

693
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed Thailand, and now hopefully we'll get back there. Uh.

694
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: So I'm in Miami. I'm chasing the wrong girl. You know.

695
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how that was what year was at

696
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: two thousand, fifteen, sixteen forty six, and and I said, hey,

697
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was gonna do this again. But

698
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: another one way ticket, so one way ticket to l

699
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: a no job ship. The car came here and I

700
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: wasn't sure what I was gonna get into. I just

701
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: decided I needed to change and Miami has always been home,

702
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: and came out here. I got involved in in a movie,

703
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: in a movie production project that I thought I was

704
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna come in and help lead, and it turned out

705
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: to be, uh not a great experience, but it was

706
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: a good learning experience. But through that, uh huh what

707
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: moving it was a production company? Uh turned out the

708
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: guy who owned that was going to be CEO of

709
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: a production company. Uh. They had run want a pretty

710
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: big judgment and they had quite a bit of money

711
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: and they already go. It just turned out the guy

712
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: was not stable that was running it, like a lot

713
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: of movie companies. But through that I met a young

714
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: kid named Jeff Getman out of Uba, and uh he helped.

715
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: He asked me to help him write a business plan

716
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: for a what we call an incilliary business in the

717
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: cannabis industry, which was called uh picks and shuffles, So

718
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: they don't touch the plant, but they provide a lot

719
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: of the services and products that are for growing. So

720
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: I wrote a business plan for a company called Downtown

721
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: Hydro Elevated Equipment Supply and that was my first touch

722
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: into the cannabis industry. That was back in two thousand

723
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: and sixteen and our seventeen I think, and I went in.

724
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: I was involved in looking for a couple of different

725
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: startups here, involved in some things, and a couple of

726
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: years later I run into the same kid, Jeff. I

727
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: hadn't really been in touch with him too much. He

728
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: was the founder of the first licensed lender and cannabis

729
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: in California, company called the Spoke Financial. We were sharing

730
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: I had an office for another business in the Design

731
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: Center West Hollywood, and he kept on asking me for advice,

732
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: always called me a big brother and uh and he said, hey,

733
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: why don't you come help me build this out? And

734
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: at that time, it was, you know, two thousands, this

735
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: probably the beginning of two thousand nineteen, and I said,

736
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, the cannabis industry is pretty interesting. I don't

737
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: belong there either, but you know, let's go and check

738
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: it out. So I helped build that out over the

739
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen and they're beginning customers and really enjoyed

740
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: it and got involved in a lot of consulting side

741
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: of things at the end of nineteen h different dispensaries

742
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: downtown really putting in accounting and banking relationships. And our

743
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: beta customer at the time at the spoke was come

744
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: to help GROUPO floor and my friend Paul was the CEO,

745
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: and he stepped away and was ready to go, you know,

746
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of get out of cannabis a little bit here

747
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: in California, moved back to Salt Lake, and he got

748
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: a call from a couple um guys out of Toronto

749
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: that say, we really need you to speak to High

750
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Time because they're planning to go into touching the plant.

751
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: And this is the end of two thousand nineteen. So

752
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: he so for people who aren't familiar with touching the

753
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: plant as supposed to what high So High Times was

754
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: originally just a publication right High Times is known established

755
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four, forty eight year old company and

756
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: had been known about the publication the magazine. Our history

757
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: back in eighty eight was the first Cannabis Cup live

758
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: event in Amsterdam where they started to uh, you know,

759
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: give the awards the best strains in the best cannabis

760
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: around the world at the time UH Cannabis Cups came

761
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: into the U s and the nineties and two thousands

762
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: and continued to be just the media and live event company.

763
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: About four and a half years ago, our current German

764
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: Adam Levin bought the asset and with a group of

765
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: people and was planning to roll up all of the

766
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: assets UH in the media side of things, culture magazine,

767
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: built magazine for twenty dot com and really take it

768
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: to be listed on NASTAC. So at the time and

769
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: today to this day, no cannabis companies can be listed

770
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: on either nastack or or the New York Stock Exchange.

771
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: Why those are choices they've made. It's not a federal thing.

772
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: But the chairman of NASDAC, after nine months of giving

773
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: the okay to High Times at the time was, uh,

774
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: we feel you violate the Substance Control Acts at your

775
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Cannabis Cup events because the events that you host there's consumption,

776
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: so we cannot list you at that point, you know,

777
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Adam you know said, you know, well, we've always connected

778
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: brand with customers, always been advocate for the industry, so

779
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: why not you know, we're the oldest branding cannabis. Why

780
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: not go ahead and touch the plant, which means you're

781
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: selling your having a retail footprint, meaning you're selling cannabis

782
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: at your dispensaries or your branded product, and you're selling products.

783
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: So now isn't that a little church and state right

784
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: when you when High Times traditionally had given out the

785
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: awards and had been kind of the overarching you know,

786
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: historically publication of the industry, and now you're branding your

787
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: own product. Isn't that a is there? We're still very

788
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: much Switzerland, you know, we don't we don't enter any

789
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: of our cannabis cup of vents or anything like that.

790
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: I just think that the footprint for us. We run

791
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: seven dispensaries here in California. Uh, we're about to open,

792
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: uh the Asset, which was the first consumption lounge in America,

793
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: which was open to West Hollywood pre COVID and ended

794
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 1: up closing to the COVID. So I'm in the middle

795
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: of building out that project right now and will be

796
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: High Times Cannabis Cafe in West Hollywood come que four

797
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: this year. Uh. And it's a lot of fun, you know,

798
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: we're having a lot of fun in this industry. It's

799
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: it's an exciting time to be part of something and

800
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: obviously with such a brand like High Times to be

801
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: able to step in and stepped in as the I've

802
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: been consulting for two years and stepped in as the

803
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: CEO in January. Fascinating, right, Plus you have so many

804
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: you have so many ex athletes who are trying who

805
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: are either part of we're trying to get into the

806
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: cannabis industry, which is really that has to be There's

807
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: gotta be a fascinating element to people who have done

808
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: well in some other profession that no, this is an

809
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: incredible growing business, right and um, and they want to

810
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: get in. And I'm sure every place you go when

811
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: they find out what you do, they're like, dude, I

812
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: want to meet with you. I want to get in

813
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: on what you're doing. You know it. Yeah, it's it's

814
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: an intersect because it's always been part of our culture,

815
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: right and as far back as I can go back

816
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: and playing basketball, you know, cannabis was always there, you know,

817
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: and and certainly uh now seeing some of the medicinal benefit.

818
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: The thing that fascinates me with cameras is really the

819
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: medicinal benefits of the plant. You know, we have a

820
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: camera cannon annoyed the receptor system in our body to

821
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: receive the good benefits of not only cannabis, but lots

822
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: of plant based medicine. Right. So the fact that this

823
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: is it's you know, it's been legal since nineties six

824
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: in California, and nobody talked about it. It's been medicinal here,

825
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: no one talked about it until it went recreational, and

826
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen, probably other than crypto and bitcoin,

827
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: is the most talked about industry in the last five years.

828
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: And I find very fascinating that I think that the

829
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: wreck market is going to bring about the medicinal benefits

830
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and and the studies and and things, and will bring

831
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: back the awareness of preventive medical you know, practices with

832
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: how it's able to help people. When I was my

833
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: dad was seven years ago, my dad died and it

834
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: was about this time when his cancer had spread to

835
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: his brain. But I remember sitting with him at his

836
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: UH at his kitchen table with my mom, and my

837
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: Mom's like, he won't even take ad bill or I'd

838
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: be profin He just and I was like, why don't

839
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: you just spoke weed? Like it's legal at the time,

840
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, you get a medical card or whatever. Like

841
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: he's like Reefer. You know, if there's it's it's really

842
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: amazing how how we have been trained as Americans over

843
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, what's good, what's bad, and like trying to

844
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: get over the taboo of it um is an incredibly

845
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: difficult task. It really is. And and I don't know,

846
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: there's no other side do it, like you don't want

847
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: kids doing it? Right, there's a there's a level. There's

848
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: a level to it. Obviously, don't want to drive when

849
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: you're doing it, but there are there are a lot

850
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: of benefits and but it's just interesting the drugs that

851
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: are legal, the drugs are illegal. The things we're told

852
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: are bad, things were told as good. Right, Like you

853
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: ask somebody like, hey, you want a cool beer? Like great?

854
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: All right? Now you want to you want you want

855
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: to join like whoa? You know half of America is

856
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: like whoa? Just like my dad was. You're talking about Reefer.

857
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, hey, dude, you have cancer. This will help

858
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: alleviate any of your parents? Huh did you try it?

859
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: My dad passed in two thousand and eight. And the

860
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: same thing. Very white coat medicine based and very you know, traditional,

861
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: and you know, I think I saw an article yesterday

862
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: talked about you know, and I think it was like

863
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: nineteen o nine, you know, SI canabus bed you know,

864
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: less than ten percent, you know, something in the you

865
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: know sixties or something. You know. Well, now it's up

866
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: over sixty on a pole. I was saying, So, I

867
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: think it's just something that's progressing. And like I said,

868
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's an industry that's getting a lot of attention.

869
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: It's a it's not an easy industry. There's a lot

870
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: of taxation, there's a lot of barriers to entry. You know,

871
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reliance on what we call the

872
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: traditional market to get into the licensed market. So uh,

873
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, I look over my shoulder and all my

874
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: individual I call it. I have had at a very

875
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: blessed project based career right where I've been able to

876
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: take the skill sets of the previous opportunity and bringing

877
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: into the next one. And now that I'm fifty two

878
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: and I kind of just bring it all in and

879
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of use the same skill pets that I've learned.

880
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: It's real, it's really remarkable. I mean, you're talking about London,

881
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: Tel Aviv, Meconos, you come back to Miami, then you're

882
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: in at St. Thomas managing ten different islands. Right now

883
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: you're in l A and you're the CEO of High Times,

884
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Like you have lived kind of a blessed life. But

885
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: that blessed life is based upon your ability to assimilate

886
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: to whatever field you that you're working in, right obviously,

887
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: your ability to create relationships where you can kind of

888
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: connect the dots. That's it's a it's a fast and

889
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: you have, you know, as much as you want twenty

890
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: more years, twenty five more years to work. Well. Also,

891
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my weekend gig is uh, I own

892
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: a n f T art now with Jeff Hamilton's so

893
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: you might know Jeff uh the well known jacket designers

894
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: to some of this art pieces that you see, Doug,

895
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: they are behind me are his art pieces. So now, well,

896
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: well the n f T thing, with the n f

897
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: T thing, I've had it explained to me twenty times

898
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: by my buddy, and I just I understand one of

899
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: one digital artwork. My my issue with by real estate

900
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: in the metaverse is like, can't they just create more space?

901
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: Can't things just be created more? Because essentially it's an unlimited,

902
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: unlimited supply at some point, isn't there. Yeah. I for me,

903
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: it's more, you know, stay curious add value, right, So

904
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: I stay curious and I don't I'm not an expert

905
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: in n f T S or crypto or anything like that,

906
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: but it's always it's always nice to learn new things

907
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: and try to figure it out. And I think, you know,

908
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I think it's there. I think it's gonna be here

909
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: for a little while. Uh. You know, you were in

910
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: what they call it crypto winter right now, but maybe

911
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: we'll be coming out of That's a it's just interesting

912
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: to see how the intersection between art and UH and

913
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: fashion and sports and everything kind of comes in in

914
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: the middle. And you know, you have what they call figitibal,

915
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, a digital asset that comes along with a

916
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: physical good or you know, or you have entry or assets,

917
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: and it's it's an interesting thing, you know, even for

918
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: for High Times as we're you know, we're eagually looking

919
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: at what the n f T or metaverse Web three

920
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: strategy will be for us as a forty eight year

921
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: old brand. What is what is next for High Times?

922
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: What's the what's the next big step? The next big

923
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: step is we will I would say we're getting sometime

924
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm open, but we will be going public. So we're

925
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: a private company today, Uh, and we're finishing up some

926
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: monits and uh we're looking forward to you know, going

927
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: on the public markets and continue to expand We're we're

928
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: very unique. We're we're able to you know, cross our

929
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: our different platforms are different verticals where we you know,

930
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: we went to the licensing show. We were the only

931
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: cannabis company at the licensing show in Las Vegas with

932
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, Walt Disney and Sony and everybody at these

933
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: big boots and you know, the ability to license our name,

934
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: to be able to create other revenue streams that are

935
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: beyond just selling cannabis. You know. So I think you're

936
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: the only brand. But but I mean, like, and again

937
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not Mr. Cannabis Industry. So forgive me

938
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: if I'm missing somebody who's a competitor. I don't I

939
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know enough about the space. But

940
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: I would just tell you that when we met and

941
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: you said high times, I know what that is, right,

942
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: the subconscious recognition. Recognition. But it's it's like you're the

943
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: You're the Kleenex. You know, You're the Q Tip your

944
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: your your high Times that has an incredible value. Just

945
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: how do you decide what that actual value it? Do

946
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: you do? You believe? What's the likelihood? And we try

947
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: to ask the right question, what's the liglood that high

948
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Times ends up on an NBA uniform at some point?

949
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't see why not? You know, you see, uh,

950
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: I think that there's a possibility. I'm already in discussions

951
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: you know about you know, like with this consumption lounge

952
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: model being able to talk to stadiums and I've talked

953
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: to people that are very connected to stadium owners and uh,

954
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: and will there be a consumption lounge in that stadium?

955
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: You know, NFL owners. I mean like, look, you can

956
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: put all you put all the vices all together. I

957
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: believe this is my true belief, is that the challenge

958
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: for the NFL, for example, and they know this and

959
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: that's why they put these betting They have betting lounges

960
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: that are gonna be as it becomes legal in the stadiums.

961
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: The challenge going me to get people to go to

962
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: the games, because the viewing experience at home it's amazing, right,

963
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: Like why would you go to the game? Traffic parking

964
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: people suck right, take it's the whole thing when you

965
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: just sit at home and watch multiple games. So the

966
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: challenges him in the stadium. So I've thought for baseball,

967
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: for example, you give people an iPad in a specific

968
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: and they can bet on every next pitch whenever live

969
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: in game betting, right, And like, why wouldn't you in

970
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: a lounge where hey like, if you can bet and

971
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: it's legal, by can't you smoke if it's legal? Here's

972
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: another one, when are we gonna have airport consumption? Last?

973
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: We have tobacco lounge just right. You go in there

974
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and it's one of the saddest places on earth. Like

975
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: that is a factory of sadness. Is you're sitting there

976
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: grilling your cigarette and everybody in there looks fifteen years

977
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: older than they are, and they're just I gotta have

978
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: my I gotta smoke my sake before I take. I'm

979
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: old enough to remember when they smoke on airplanes. Me too.

980
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: I played I played in Russia. I played Russia. Everybody

981
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: smoke it on the plane. I was like, this does

982
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: not feel safe. Right, auctionated cabin, the whole opera lawyer,

983
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: You couldn't see the top of the scoreboard up layer?

984
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: Are are we are we close? You know? Like, are

985
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: we anywhere in the next half decade in I don't

986
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: know ads during NFL games sponsorships, like how how far

987
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: do you believe we are? You're starting to see it, like,

988
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: for example, I've seen, you know, there's been some big

989
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: collaboration on sponsorships where some some mainstream brands are starting

990
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: to come in. So yeah, of course it's going to happen.

991
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: And it's it's an industry that's that's you know, really growing,

992
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: and you know we're at I don't know thirty eight

993
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: plus states now be eire either medical or recreational, and

994
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: it's just continuing to grow. And uh, it's it's all

995
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: about education and awareness. I think exactly what you said.

996
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: It's it's rewiring are learned experience, right, So it's hard

997
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: to do. What is the advice two somebody in their

998
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: twenties trying to figure out what they want to do,

999
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: how they want to make money. You've done it in

1000
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: so many different ways. What's um you know, I think

1001
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: I give advice to twenty year old nephew. Right, So

1002
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: I have someone in my life that's my sister's son,

1003
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: and the same exact thing. You know. The most important

1004
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: thing is is a really fine to try things. Don't

1005
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,479
Speaker 1: don't be scared of failure, right, you know, try things

1006
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: and you might not like it and and not put

1007
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: money as the money ends up becoming the byproduct of

1008
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, where the intersection between you know, luck and

1009
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: hard work meat, right, So money is not the object.

1010
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: It's really like, find something you really enjoy doing, add values,

1011
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: stay curious, have a good attitude. You know, I always

1012
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: say you're you know, I learned from a the late

1013
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: Harold Rosen was a Meyer of Miami Beach, and it

1014
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: was like, you know, your attitude creats your altitude. You know.

1015
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: The reality is really give a good attitude and you'll

1016
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: get places so and be filled with gratitude. You know.

1017
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: It's it's a very interesting time we're living in right now.

1018
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: And as long as you're able to find, you know,

1019
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: what really moves you and what you're excited about and

1020
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: and just keep trying things. How do you foster conversations

1021
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: with people who know about industry? You're trying to learn

1022
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: about something, and you've talked about calling people and and

1023
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: and just being a sponge and learned. How do you

1024
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 1: create those conversations with people who know way more about

1025
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: an industry and you're just trying to sponge their knowledge.

1026
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: I think you know, you'd be surprised. You if you

1027
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: if you're not afraid to ask for help and or ask,

1028
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: you know, hey, can I be a kind of shout

1029
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: at you one day? Can I sit on some phone calls?

1030
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised. Most people look back in their history

1031
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: and say, hey, uh, I remember when R. Williams helped me,

1032
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: or I remember when Daryl re Shaw helped me, And

1033
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not in a position where I can

1034
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: thank Darryl today, but I can thank the next person.

1035
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: Like even when I got groomed and I started as

1036
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: a basketball player, started becoming a vet right and I

1037
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: was in a vet, you know, my responsibility was with,

1038
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: you know, help somebody I had that. Uh recently, well,

1039
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: my banker for in the cannabis industry, UH put something.

1040
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: I invited him to an HD one hundred. We had

1041
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: a big event and was on LinkedIn and one of

1042
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: his friends reached out to me and said, hey, you

1043
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: remember me? Is it really you? You let me stay

1044
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: in your couch for two weeks in Israel? I was

1045
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: trying out and let's have lunch, you know, And I'm like, oh,

1046
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: I did was that it was that nice to you?

1047
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, he was great, And I go,

1048
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: that's awesome, because that's that's the key, you know. So

1049
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised most people that are in a position

1050
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: where they're at, they remember the people that got them

1051
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: there and they're always looking to pay it for it.

1052
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: Like I completely agree. Um, okay, you had an amazing

1053
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: basketball career. Really when you stop and think about it,

1054
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: right to go from not playing in college to playing

1055
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: first division in in Israel. Um, if you were to,

1056
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: if you were to close your eyes and say, this

1057
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: was my greatest moment as a professional basketball player, what

1058
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Speaker 1: would it be? I think I think a couple of

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Speaker 1: those championships in Israel bringing its second division team to

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Speaker 1: the first division. You know, Jesse Salters, I want with

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Speaker 1: the Paul Haifa, you know, uh summer league here I came.

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Speaker 1: I remember one day I dropped eight team. I was

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Speaker 1: playing for the NBA Free Agent Division. I played against

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Speaker 1: the national team of the Ukraine and I remember Bolt

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Speaker 1: played for Atlanta I played against I was with the

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Speaker 1: Lakers that we played against some of them. And then

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Speaker 1: my dad had a team in in the same thing.

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Speaker 1: We played against him as well, so I know the

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Speaker 1: exact team you're talking. I scored eight team in that game.

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Speaker 1: And and again that was the whole point of me, Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I was never known as a scorer scorer, but you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm eighteen on them, didn't really well made the made

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Speaker 1: like the all star team of the Free Agent Division.

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Speaker 1: And in the same day I drove to Carson and

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Speaker 1: got you know, played in the in the real run

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Speaker 1: and scored eight team playing with Baron Davis. I think

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Speaker 1: it was against maybe it was Paul Pierce at that

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Speaker 1: game or bou Outlers on that So you know, for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was always about working really hard. I

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Speaker 1: never wanted even when I played in the summer, you know,

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Speaker 1: with all the pros up in the men's league, I

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Speaker 1: didn't want anyone to say, hey, there goes the baseball

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Speaker 1: player that doesn't belong on the court. Right. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: lots of good memories in between, but those those definitely

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Speaker 1: stand out. Um, I can't tell you how how much

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Speaker 1: I appreciate this has been great. Man. Let's uh, I

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Speaker 1: want to get together and have coffee, uh in person,

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Speaker 1: but UM, I'm fascinated by interesting, successful people, and your

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Speaker 1: journey is incredibly unique and I know, not not even

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Speaker 1: close to being over. Well. I I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny when you asked me, my normal

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Speaker 1: and initial reaction is always no, because I'm always the

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Speaker 1: guy behind the curtain. I'm always the guy who kind

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Speaker 1: of is like behind the scenes in my career. And

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Speaker 1: and it was nice. I really appreciate your time. It's

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Speaker 1: a tripped down memory lane and you know, just to

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Speaker 1: give you some knowledge, I still see or Williams see

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Speaker 1: seventy one years old. I go every year to the

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Speaker 1: Summer League and then the NBA Summing in Vegas. For

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Speaker 1: the last seven years I've been here, uh to go

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Speaker 1: see him and pay homage and thank him and the

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Speaker 1: guys like Mike Carter and Kenny Lebanovski and Dan Smith

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Speaker 1: and the guys that were all super vets when I

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Speaker 1: was a rookie, you know, and and then took me

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Speaker 1: under their wing. And I wouldn't have had a career

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Speaker 1: without Earl or you know. So I really appreciate and

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Speaker 1: thanks for giving me this chance to speak to you

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Speaker 1: in your basketball is a dysfunctional but definitely a family.

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Speaker 1: It's a dysfunctional family, but it's a it's a family.

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Speaker 1: And and the and the Jesse Salters is the perfect example, right,

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Speaker 1: like your career was ending when I was playing in Israel.

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Speaker 1: You have that kind of connection and like all of

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Speaker 1: the Vinn diagram, you know, all of a sudden you

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Speaker 1: start throwing in more and more names. And that's played

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Speaker 1: with a couple of games. So I grew up watching

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Speaker 1: at U C l A and then at the local

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Speaker 1: air amount right then became a legend down a lot.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I played with him in a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was with me there. Yeah. Yeah, you know you

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Speaker 1: have all this in this camaraderie, you know, and everyone

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Speaker 1: and and you know Earl taught me early on reason

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you came from. If you're on

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Speaker 1: the same court, they put their shoes on one at

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Speaker 1: a time on the court. Throw it up, you know,

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Speaker 1: so you can hope, you can hope. Hey man, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me. I really really like

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Speaker 1: your ship. Thanks to other Ford to seeing you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my thanks to uh to to Chris and he was amazing.

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Speaker 1: He was so kind with the time and with the

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Speaker 1: story and as he said, like I'm usually more of

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Speaker 1: us behind the scenes guy, even in his music days,

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Speaker 1: so it's pretty outstanding to get him to open up

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Speaker 1: to us. Remember the Dog. Doug Galli Shows available daily

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Speaker 1: three to six Eastern twelve three Pacific on your I

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Speaker 1: Heart radio app, Fox Sports Radio dot Com, or your

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Speaker 1: uh Fox Sports radio affiliate. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Tell a friend like this is we got good stuff

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Speaker 1: for you. I'm Doug Golly, this is all ball