1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: advice to many occasions. In the case you didn't notice, 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm not broke, you know he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do. 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: It's what he likes to share. Now it's time to 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald money making conversations. Here 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: we come. Welcome to money Making Conversation. I'm your host, 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Rashwan McDonald. It is time to stop reading other people's 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: success stories. I said that every time I started my 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: show and start writing your own. I always tell people 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: leave with your gifts or your passion, and don't let 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: your age, friends, family, a coworkers stop you from planning 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: or living your dreams. The interviews I bring on money 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: making conversations of people who are successful so we learned 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: the secrets of their success. My next guest I've had 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: on the show before, I made him doing the pandemic 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: watching Netflix. He's roight this guy, right this guy, James Beard, 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Award winning chef, pitt Master and founder Rodney Scott's Whole 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Hog Barbecue operated restaurants in South Carolina and Alabama. Rodney 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: has continued to expand his acclaimed brand of South Carolina 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: style barbecue and has been featured on popular TV shows 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: including The Today's Show and Netflix here Chef's Table Barbecue, 25 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: among others. Their plans to expand it to Atlanta. We're 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: gonna talk about that because you know they come down 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: to Atlanta. You know, I gotta roll down there and 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: give me some fixing that you know it's barbecue, then 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: there's fixing. Because I'm from the Houston texts, I know 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: about them fixes. As well as two more locations in 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: Alabama this year as well. He's here to talk about 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: his first book, cookbook, I got it on my desk, 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Rodney Scott's World of Barbecue, Recipes and Perspectives from the 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: legendary pit Master. That's my man right here. He's on 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: the show. Please work on the money makes conversations. Rodney 36 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: s guy, how you do right there? Man? I'm doing great. 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: He's some pleasure to meet you. It's a pleasure to 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: be here, pleasure to speak to you again, should I say? 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: And uh, we we've survived so far in this pandemic. Man, 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna get past and Rod. You know, Man that 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: when I first called Man, I just saw your Netflix Man, 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: and it was it was it was an interview of 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: just joy because uh I got a slice of its 44 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: humanized you. You know, you know, you know people in 45 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: the kitchen, they chef, they barbecue, and they they some 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: of them talking noise, some of them are humble and 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: and just watching your story. Man, How what how what 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: would the impact of your appearance on that Netflix series 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: Chef's Table Barbecue Netflix last year? Man? That that that 50 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: appearance on Chef's Table was a huge impact on our business, 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: um a huge impact on on our staffs as well 52 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: as me as a owner, co founder, human being period. 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been an amazing ride. It It 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: kind of made me go to the backboard, sit down 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: and suck it all in, you know, take it in 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: slowly and enjoy the moment because a lot of people 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: skip over it and I wanted to save her every 58 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: moment that I could. It changed my life completely, well, 59 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: it changed my life from a standpoint of just watching 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: an African American man, because you know, it's really interesting 61 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: how we look at business and how we look at 62 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: what it's success and what you can do because you're 63 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, you're businessman, and sometimes people see it, don't 64 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: see that lane. They just see as a barbecue guy, 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: cook or a chef. But you're in a business, you 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: employ people, and so you can get stereotype what people 67 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: say as a career, this is a career for you. 68 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: This is a you're that you're making money, You're you, 69 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: you you, you, you have boys, you have a beautiful wife, 70 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: and you have you're sustaining up a very positive lifestyle, 71 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: and it's a career for you. So do you get 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: caught up in the stereotypes of people thinking, oh, he's 73 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: just a barbecue guy. I do get caught up as 74 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: just being a barbecue guy. And I find it very 75 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: amusing because people pre judging under estimate what you know 76 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: because of what they think they know about. So it's 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of amusing to me for them to see different. Uh. 78 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: For example, I walked in the restaurant one day and 79 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: he thought I was cutting in lines, like where does 80 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: this guy go? And then once they saw me go 81 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: like behind the counter and everybody started saying, hey Rodney, 82 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: it was a totally different look. So, you know, I 83 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: find I find a little bit of music and they 84 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: kind of understand that you're not just a guy shoving colds, 85 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: that you're trying to grow a business. You're trying to 86 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: grow a brand, um, you're you're trying to give people 87 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: opportunities to employment. They kind of see you a little different, 88 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: and uh, for me, that's been a great experience out 89 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: Like again, I find a little amusing when they just 90 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: think one thing and find out so much more. Well, 91 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, and watching that Netflix here, your father saw 92 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: you a little bit different because he you had ideas 93 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: and he didn't want to change, and so it wasn't 94 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: until his illness that you was able to start implementing 95 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: some of your ideas, which has led to the great 96 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: success that you have now. Talk about that transition of 97 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: being in the person because that was his brain, that 98 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: was his business. But you can get stuck in your 99 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: ways and saying I've done this all the time works 100 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: for me, Why should that change? And it's I guess 101 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: it's opened your eyes to being able to for new 102 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: ideas and to listen to other people as well. Correct, correct, 103 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: you know, all that's been un experience and a learning 104 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: experience to see how my dad behaved and how to 105 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: carry myself. Trying to show people what we're doing and 106 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 1: how we're doing it, and people get stuck in their ways. 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: I get that, you know, they feel like if it 108 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: ain't broke, don't fix it. But also I've learned that 109 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: don't get so stuck in your way that you can't 110 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: hear other ideas or hear other you know, possibilities of 111 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: adjustice to what you do. So for me, it's it's 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: been a learning experience going through what I went through 113 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: with my father to learn how to carry myself better 114 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: than I've been carrying myself or the way that he 115 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: carried himself with new ideas or creations. Well, you know, 116 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: the thing about it is that he gave you a start. 117 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: And that's that's the that's guess, that's the blessing of 118 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're having a family that was 119 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: in business because we as Africa Americans, you know, we 120 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: don't even look at it as as anything that's passed 121 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: down to us. And this business was passed down to you. 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: It was something you learned, but earlier only in life. 123 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: You know. One of my favorite stories and netflix was 124 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: when that we graduated high school and the girl said, 125 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: are you gonna do it? Just go down and cut ups? Hawks. Yeah, 126 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: and guess what, that's what you did midnight. You went 127 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: down that cut ups. But again, that's a stereotype, correct, Yeah, 128 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: that is that is the stereotype. You know, people underestimates. 129 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: She she didn't see me doing anything else but just that, 130 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: and uh, once she heard and saw so many different 131 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: things happening, it was she was amazed. And I don't 132 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: think she even remember saying that to me, because she 133 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: sent me some congratulations notes a couple of times, and 134 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I wanted do you remember telling me that 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: that day? And she's always been that that extra influence 136 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: to I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you and 137 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: everybody else who thinks like you, And to this day, 138 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: that's that's my thought. You're not gonna tell me what 139 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. You're not gonna limit me on my 140 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: dreams or the things that I or my goals period, 141 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, And that's what we're talking about, goals. And 142 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: you come on money making conversations. So many people have dreams, Rodney, 143 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: so many people have aspirations of greatness, grandeur as they say, 144 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: and but but then but that hard work is what 145 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned that and you have you have sons. How 146 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: do you implement that approach to you know, they see you? 147 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Because brother, in the end, them colds are hot, and 148 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: them barbecue pitts are warm and they're longer. I was 149 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: turned out to get to this food that everybody savors 150 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: or comes back and lines up for. How do they look? 151 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: How do you how do you teach them hard work? 152 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: But also they're living in Like I told my daughter, 153 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: I said, you you've never known not living in the 154 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: air condition And you know you you came, you were 155 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: born in the hospital, you came home, and then a 156 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: condition to call you. You known a condition all your life. 157 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: So then your boys have known that same air conditioning. 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: So because we know where at first, you know Pitmaster 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: Place was located at. So talk to him about your 160 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: side and we're gonna get to the book after that. Yeah, 161 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: you know, I got three boys and the youngest lives 162 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: here will be at home, and the other two are 163 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: older and eighteen ones in Atlanta there and another one 164 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: still in himy with South Carolina, and the youngest one 165 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: here with me, twelve years old. Just yesterday I was 166 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: telling him. I was like, look, here's what we gotta 167 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: do to get to that great burger you got. First, 168 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: we gotta make sure the girls clean. You gotta understand 169 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: that there's labor involved. You gotta get everything going before 170 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: you enjoy the food. And I try to implement to 171 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: him that it doesn't just fall in front of you 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: on the table. You gotta start. You gotta gotta put 173 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: in some time, some efforts, some extra work. You can't 174 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: play video games and all of a sudden come downstairs 175 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: at and be ready to eat. And I try to 176 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: teach him the hard work, the fact that when I'm 177 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: away from home that I'm not on vacation. You know, 178 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: we're trying to build things. And I try to teach 179 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: them how to be a better man than I could ever. Well, 180 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, you're a great man. And look good in 181 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: the suit too. They showing Netflix do don't fool you 182 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: this young man walking around the suit suit fits him, 183 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: jazz right, fits him, jazz right. Good. Have some brother, 184 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: But let's get to this cookbook here. Rodney Scott Broler, 185 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: bob que because soon they say, you know a big 186 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: time Rodney. They sent me a book. Okay, sent me 187 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: a book. So soon as the book arrived and right ups, 188 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: all right, I immediately went to the corn bread. I 189 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: go to the glosstery all the time. And I said, 190 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: this boy, here, country boy, this country boy. Because I 191 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: go to her. I went to your restaurant. I saw 192 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: corn bread. But now they're putting us on College green. 193 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: So I said, he'd better have the corn bread now, 194 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: or I went to the corn bread section. Man that 195 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: that honey butter topping that you put on your corn bread. 196 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: I made this the same day I got this book. 197 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: And uh, because my wife, here's the funny thing about it, 198 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: writing I don't use cast ice killers. My wife always 199 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: you need to learn how to use killing. So she 200 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: so here's the funny part about it. So I took 201 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: a picture of when I made the corn bread, being 202 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: right from and I put the put the honey butter 203 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: on top, and I cleaned up this cast skiller. It 204 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: was in the background of my photo. So all she 205 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: saw was I see that cast skillet behind you. I 206 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: guess you winning the house and find it, because that 207 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: made the difference man. That cast asking talk about this 208 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: corn bread man, Like I said, I posted them on 209 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: social media, got a great response. I'm gonna post some 210 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: more stuff like the colar greens. I'm over there and 211 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: get that blueberry corn bread. We're gonna talk about a 212 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: lot of little menius and a little restipanes in there. 213 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: But let's talk about that corn bread first off, because 214 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: that was my love. Because I'm telling some rotting. I 215 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: get excited because I'm an old school guy. I take 216 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: some buttermilk and see, buttermilk comes in this corn bread. 217 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: So it's a win win for me because normally I 218 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: take that. I take some butter milk, put in a 219 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: half a glass, sweet it up with sugar. Then I 220 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: crumpled me some corn bread inside. That is outstanding for me. 221 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: So I was happy, happy, happy on this. But was 222 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: about this recipe and the cash dins killer man. So 223 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: let me tell you about that. That recipe. That cornbread 224 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: takes me back to my childhood with my grandma. My 225 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: grandma used to make that corn bread, but she used 226 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: to use Jiffy Nicks back in the day, and that 227 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: cornbrea used to be sweet and so tasty and thick 228 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: and you know, back then, she used to sometimes give 229 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: us a little bit of uh kine patch syrup, and 230 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: it was this old school serrup that she would kind 231 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: of put on the side every now and again. And man, 232 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about a good night at Grandma's house. That'd 233 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: be some good eating. And I wanted that corn bread 234 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: so badly. And we got with our chef, head chef, 235 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: and we talked and I told him, I said, man, Grandmama, 236 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: just cornbread. That was amazing. We need to develop this 237 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: thing together. And we came up with that flavor. And 238 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: before I tell you anymore about that Cornbret, I gotta 239 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: tell you my mom, my aunt, and my cousin who 240 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: was ten years older than he, came in and they 241 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: tasted that corn bread and they said, where did you 242 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: get Grandma's recipe? So when I know that they were 243 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: satisfied of it, I said, yeah, we were hitting home. 244 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: We were hitting close to home. And you know, a 245 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: cast iron skill it cooking that corn bread, and the 246 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: cast iron skill it is a lot easier in a 247 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: sense because the heat is even all over and that 248 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: thing just bakes right in there. Man, all that flavors 249 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: in the area. You add that honey butter to it. 250 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, you you don't know what you're missing until 251 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: you had that corn bread. I got, man, I'll just 252 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: tell you something then then you then you flip the 253 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: script on the brother. Here the Roscoes blueberry corn meal 254 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: pound cake. Yes, I know you said this boy crazy. 255 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: He's just going through this book, just making everything. I'm 256 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: tell you something, man, we're gonna talk about then don't 257 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: get to the college green. But let's talk about the 258 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: Roscoes blue I've never heard that in my life, man, 259 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: because you know, some people use that corn meal like 260 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: you do corn meal and flour and just make the 261 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: corn bread all right, and it gives you that cake 262 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: like because people are either they go this take like cake. 263 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: Well you got flower in it with the corn meal. 264 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: But did you fix the script man with this blueberries? 265 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: Come on, now, how did you think of that? Well 266 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: we were in Birmingham and Roight still worked for us 267 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: at the with us at the Birmingham location, and one 268 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: day we were just sitting there talking about it. This man, 269 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: this thing is almost like cake. I said, yeah, man, 270 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: reminds you that strawberry uh shortcake used to get sometimes. 271 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: And he was like, man, what about blueberries. He said, 272 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: you like color blue? Like, yeah, I didn't, So you 273 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: know it, man, I said, just make it to let 274 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: me know what you think. And he did and low 275 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: and behold, man, I was like, yeah, we're gonna put 276 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: this in the book. We're gonna share this with the world. 277 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: Let him know. But just cornbread can come in several 278 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: several different ways. One of them is gonna be blueberry, Okay, 279 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: And there you have it. You know, blueberryes are sneaky man, 280 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: sneaky good because like blueberry pancake and I love the death. 281 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a guy that I can't just 282 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: eat a blueberry, you know, but you put it in, 283 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: you put it in this corn bread, you put it 284 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: in this pancase is outstanding and so so so. You know, 285 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: the thing about you, Ride is that you're a visionary. 286 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: Let's gonna be real about it. That's you know, because 287 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: you checking idea and you expand it because your father 288 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: had a vision. But you're expanding on that vision. Now 289 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: you're expanding it into other states and expanding your breath. 290 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: What are you trying to take the world, barbecue man, 291 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: But you try to try to be a barbecue k sir, 292 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: I am trying to take over the world. I'm trying 293 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: to spread the love everywhere because whenever you find a barbecue, 294 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: you find people in a good mood, people having a party, 295 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: people enjoying themselves. So I was like, why not spreading 296 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: this love all over the world as far as we can. 297 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: You know, if it if it's me, it is absolutely great. 298 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: If it's somebody else, it's it's just as good. You know, 299 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: let's let's let's put it in as many places as 300 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: we can. And every time I think about should I 301 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: do it in this state? Should I try it in 302 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: that state? And I say to myself, why not? Just 303 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: just let's do it. And my goal is to spread 304 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: to spread this love, this Rodney Scott whole all love 305 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: all over the world. And and I hadn't stopped dreaming yet. 306 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm gonna keep on drinking. But the 307 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: beauty of you now is that you your celebrity. Okay. 308 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: You know when you walk down the street, people recognized 309 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: you're walking through, especially walking your establishment. They let's me 310 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: that's right. So so so, being a celebrity means you 311 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: have a brand social media, you post things, people engage 312 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: with that talk about that, you know, and that means 313 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: other people have. Everybody has a bright idea for you now, 314 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, back in high school then might have no 315 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: idea for you at all. Everybody has a bright idea 316 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: for you because you just that that that's right here 317 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: and in that box you're staying, ain't about nothing. But 318 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: now everybody got a great idea for you. How do 319 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: you slidice through that? Tell us about your team, your 320 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: team that keeps your focus, to keep you organized and 321 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: keeps you on point. Oh man, I gotta tell you 322 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: about my team. My team is amazing, and we got 323 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: age groups that's even better. You know. Nick Backs is 324 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: my my partner, and this thing, you know, we came 325 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: up with the idea. We sat at the table. He 326 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: was like, let's create a Rodney Scotts and I'm like, man, 327 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: you're crazy, And little did you know that I would 328 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: ever do it like this, And we decided to do it. 329 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: And along with Nick, his son Nicholas, and my man 330 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: Paul Yak, our head chef, we put our heads together 331 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: and we just kept coming up with these thoughts and 332 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: ideas and they helped to keep me humble, to not 333 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: worry about every little thing. You know, when I say, 334 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: hey man, I gotta run over to such such place 335 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: and check this, They'll say, I'll do that for you. 336 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: We got that you take your time and focus on 337 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: what you're doing. So they've made it well rounded for me. 338 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: Nick has this thing you call the balancing we where 339 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: you have yourself, your family, your finance, your business, your brand, 340 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: and you got to balance that thing out. You know, 341 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: you gotta stay healthy in order to stay in this 342 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: whole operation and enjoy it at the same time. So 343 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: we all make sure that we balance ourselves, our personal 344 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: lives and everything together. And this team that I have, 345 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: they make sure that all of that perfect for me, 346 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: that that my background with the restaurant and my personal 347 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: life don't ever you know, one doesn't ever take over 348 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: the other. So they've they've been super great with that. 349 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's really important that we talk about this, 350 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, and thank you again coming on money making 351 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: conversation talking to Rodney. This guy he is the king 352 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: of barbecue. I know it. I got my boy Kevin 353 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: blessed so in l A. You know he ain't rodding 354 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: this guy before, right rodn That guy he out there 355 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: populating the states, the cities with the with the whole hall, 356 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: the whole hall. Now, tell us what is the whole hall? 357 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: Come on the rodney, you brag about it, I'll see 358 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: it on TV. I can tell you right now, I'm 359 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: not messing with that whole hall. Tell us about the 360 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: whole hog experience. Why it is on fire wire. It's 361 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: popular when they go to these, uh, these barbecue shows, 362 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: these competitions talk about the whole hawk and then talk 363 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: about South Carolina style. What makes that different? You know 364 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: that whole hog is we we like to describe it 365 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: as a difference you can taste. And you know, you 366 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: go to certain restaurants, you'll see that they have shoulders 367 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: or hams, and that's not the whole hall. When you 368 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: get uh, the ham, the lord, belly meat and some 369 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: shoulder meat all mixed together and you put it in 370 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: a bit, you you got that whole hog right in 371 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: the palm of your hands. You taste every corner, every 372 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: cut of that whole animal. And it's a different taste. 373 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: And it is the difference you can taste. Once you 374 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: taste the whole hog and you go back to a shoulder, 375 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: you you kind of understand what I'm trying to explain 376 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: and the way that we did it. In South Carolina, 377 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: we did the whole hog with vinegar and pepper. Right See. 378 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: I grew up on the southeastern part of the state, 379 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: closer to the coast, and vinegar pepper is the thing 380 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 1: over there. And you know, we use the white vinegar, 381 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: the crush pepper, pepper flakes and some people call it 382 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: uh black pepper, cayenne, some sugar. That's basically a sauce 383 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: that we put together in that part of the state. 384 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: And in South Carolina, man, you can go to him 385 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: the way right now and say I need a whole 386 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: hog cook, and twenty people might jump up and say, 387 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: I can do that. That's what we did in my area. 388 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: That's what we did growing up. And you know, I 389 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: I've traveled in different places and people say, how do 390 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: you cook the whole animal? I think they're amazed by it. 391 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: And my whole thing is, look, if you can't do it, 392 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: I'll show you, let me, let me do it for you. 393 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: And before you know it, they find out how many 394 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: people can eat from it, how many ideas can go 395 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: around it. You can put grids and pork together, you 396 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: can build a tacover this thing. I mean, you got 397 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: all these options with this, with this whole hall. So 398 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: it's always been a treat in a in a big 399 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: thing to do in my area. And when other people 400 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: see it from different regions, man, they're they're amazed by it. Well, 401 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: first of all, I'm amazed that because I'm from Houston, Texas. 402 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: So I got a nephew. He has a barbecue stay, 403 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: a real popular called Big Six Barbecue, Houston, Texas. Tality 404 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: kid mix his own sausage and and I tell him 405 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: to follow you. I tell him what my man riding 406 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: didn't watch what he does, and he's he's doing very 407 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: well in the Houston market. Now. But back to you 408 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: in regards to what I see you do you expanding 409 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: now in Atlanta market? Now? You just kept all over 410 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: with the Birmingham you know, you went from South Carolina, 411 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: skipped over Georgia and in Alabama. Now now we sit 412 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: down here in Atlanta. Now, I'm kind of wardering when 413 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the whole hog experience when I could 414 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: just drive to it, not just order via mail or 415 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: ups are fed X. Tell us what the Atlanta experience. 416 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: Talk to us now, brother, when you're coming right in Atlanta, Atlanta. 417 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to you as soon as possible. 418 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: I've been trying to get there since last year. But 419 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: here we you know, here's a new year where we're coming. 420 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: We're a lot closer, hopefully by this summer. We're counting 421 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: on July if we're lucky, to have things open at 422 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: Metropolitan Parkway. UM. The building is looking great. Uh, most 423 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: of the construction is in. UM. We're trying to get 424 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: the windows in the furniture going. And those guys are 425 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: out there. They were they were getting it, and this 426 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: was last week when I checked on them, so they're 427 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: making some progress. So we're trying to get that whole 428 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: hog to Atlanta at least by the summer, hopefully no 429 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: later than July. Now, now, can one order things on 430 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: the mail or through fed Ex? Or do you ship 431 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: talk to talk to us about the whole operation now, 432 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: I know you're based in South Carolina and Alabama. Can 433 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: we order to go online and order things get delivered 434 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: to our house? Uh? You can? You can order our 435 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: food online. Uh, not our food itself, I'm sorry, but 436 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: our rubs and our sauces are available online now, our 437 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: t shirts and our some hats is what we have 438 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: available online right now. We're trying to work on that. 439 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: Process is seen about getting the food kind of where 440 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: you can order it and with shipping too overnight. But 441 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: I want to make sure though. You know a lot 442 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: of times that when when you send your food out 443 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: you wanted to be right. You don't want it to 444 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: be shipped out there and you're not ready for it 445 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: right right. You know, that's very true because it's like 446 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: the experience because you know there's a lot of people 447 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: are microwave your your bobecue. You know, Oh it's tough, 448 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, and then because you gotta tell people how 449 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: to do it. You know, you gotta put in the 450 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: other put a little water underneath it, you know, make 451 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: sure it stays juicy and stuff like that. But you 452 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: you you're sending it across you know they're going to microwave, 453 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna zapp it. They're gonna zapping and then they're 454 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: gonna go get some of that barbecue salted. The guy 455 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: from Kroger's not saying, bobus, you know that ain't your salt. 456 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, they got that on there. So 457 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: you're trying to maintain the right stuff because of the 458 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: fact that that sauce. Now, I would tell you right 459 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: before my interview, I dropped in a baked potato. See, 460 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: I would just tell I just love this book. He 461 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: has a book, The Loaded Baked Potatoes. Dropped it because 462 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna stand there for an hour put in four 463 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: hundred degree. Let'll tell you how I do it and 464 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: so but I don't. But now you the great thing 465 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: about it is that in your book you tell us 466 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: how to make the rod this white barbecue. So tell 467 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: us about that white barbecue sauce that I'm gonna put 468 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: on this Come on, now that Rode his white barbecue 469 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: sauce was like, Hey, you plan to go to Alabama, 470 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: you need a white sauce. And I'm like, man, you know, 471 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: we'll get to that bridge when we crossed, you know, 472 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we decided, you know, can 473 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: we make a twist on this sauce. And I was 474 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: like and and we decided to make a white sauce 475 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: with with the South Carolina touched to it. And you 476 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: know that sauce is great on chicken. And in Alabama 477 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: is where I learned that white sauce is right on chicken. 478 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: And the first thing I said was, we gotta have 479 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: something for the person that loves white sauce us and 480 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: and and here it is, man, and we put it 481 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: in the book Man. And then and then I closed. 482 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: I got a closed as well. First, I want to 483 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: tell people it's a cookbook and it's a story, and 484 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: so I do. I've just been staying on the recipe 485 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: side of it. But it's also a great read about 486 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: your life, the important people in your life, the the 487 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: the transitional moments that you had in your career. Why 488 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: was it important not to do a cookbook kind of 489 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: like memoir? Its kind of like that's what it really is, 490 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: by different perspectives in your life that were very important 491 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: to who you are today, instead of just doing a 492 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: basic cookbooks. Rodney, Well, you know, um, when we were 493 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: writing this cookbook, Uh, my man, lowless Eric Eli hats 494 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: off to this man. He he walked me through the 495 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: steps of helping me write this book, and uh, we 496 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: were just we're just going over everything, and I said, 497 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: you know what that recipe at that time had to 498 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: do with me being a child at this age. And 499 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: we started telling a story about each recipe and then 500 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: telling that I was like, yeah, but that I remember 501 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: that day didn't go as great. And before you knew it, 502 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 1: we were talking about my complete childhood and and he 503 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: was like, wow, you know you're gonna tell this story? 504 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: And I said yes. And all of the things I've experienced, good, bad, ugly, 505 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: I said, I think the world should know that, you know, 506 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: these are things that I've been through. Maybe somebody else 507 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: has been through the same thing, and hopefully they can 508 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: learn from this and feel better about their situations, to 509 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: move forward, carry on, to be optimistic about whatever things 510 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: you encounter. So I decided to tell my story and 511 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: and and I have absolutely no regrets in telling everything 512 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: that's in that book. But the thing about the beauty 513 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: of this book is that a little bit little background 514 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: about me, this that uh, you know during the pandemic 515 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: is where I met you doing the pandemic during an 516 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: interview on money making conversation. I bought a building in 517 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: Atlanta and this one acre property and that my one 518 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: of my dream was I to have my own vegetable garden, 519 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: uh on my property in my office because I got 520 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: a built in kitchen. And I'm launched my show next 521 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: month called Rushawn's kitchen. So you know I'm gonna cook 522 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: a lot of represents when I cook your recipe and 523 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: my how your book sitting right there, tell everybody just 524 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: came straight out of Rodney, Scots World of Barbecue book 525 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: right here, credit given. That's how I do it on 526 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: my show. And so I have. I got lettuce back there, 527 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: I got the cherry and the beef steaks, tomatoes, I 528 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: got ocra back there. I got seedless water, the Royal 529 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: seedless watermelons. I got my parsley, and I got my cilantro, 530 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: and I got my uh colleague greens. So in my 531 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: hall opeenions can forget the hallepeenis yellow and white anions 532 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: as well for my pika guy, because I'm a text 533 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: max food now. So when I saw your book and 534 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I saw colleague grees, I just smiled, knowing that I'll 535 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: be pulling my collar greens right out my back of 536 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: my building. Bro Foo, I will tell me right you 537 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: said you did you put the rode the sauce on 538 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: top of the collar green. Tell us about that, man, 539 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: Come on, bro. So me, growing up as a kidd, 540 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: colar greens was not one of my favorites. So I 541 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: always I always wanted to, uh uh stay stay true 542 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: to the barbecue game. And besides that, come with the 543 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: barbecue game. And my my partner Nick was like, hey, dude, 544 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: you gotta put collar greens on this menu. I said, dude, 545 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a fan of collar greens. And 546 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: he says, how do you How do you know if 547 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: you never had your greens? You need to create a 548 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: favor that you enjoy. And I'm like, man, I'm telling 549 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: you I don't like no collar greens. But I tried 550 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: it so many times growing up. And he said, well, 551 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: look at the list of ingredients that we think that 552 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: you should put in there. And I looked it over 553 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I'll try to sing. 554 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: And before you know it, I tasted those greens with 555 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: that sauce in that pork and I said, you know, 556 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: I could do this, and I was surprised. The first 557 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: time I ever tasted it where people could see was 558 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: on that chef's table, and I was like, oh, man, okay, 559 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: I've been missing out on these colar greens for a lifetime. 560 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: And I said, we need to put this in the book. 561 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: We need to put these greens in there. And they 562 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: smell like the way my mama used to make them. 563 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: They I guess they taste like my mama would make 564 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: them hamaks. And got the ham hocks in there, yes, sir, 565 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, put that whole hamm up, you know. And 566 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: uh when when we did it like that, I was like, Okay, 567 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: these these are not so bad, and I wanted to 568 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: make sure and put them in there to hopefully inspire 569 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: some kid to taste those colar greens growing up. Opportuation 570 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: man right there and George talking to you. I also 571 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: got some cabbages playing it out there. So I'm gonna 572 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: do the cold slawers in the book too, So you 573 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: you already know I'm gonna be this book gonna be 574 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: like kind of dirty when I finished with it, you know, 575 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: after do something that's what I want. But I want 576 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: some memories in there, you know. I want some memories 577 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: for you. And that book not just nice and pretty 578 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: on the shelf. Open that thing up. Well, you know, 579 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: I always enjoyed talking to the second time. You just 580 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: feel like a friend. Man. That's why I can't wait 581 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: to you. Open the place man, so I can come 582 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: down and come to come by my office and I 583 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: show you for real that I wasn't joking, And show 584 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: you my garden and show you my kitchen, and I'm 585 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: gonna make the corn and make your corn Brett right 586 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: in front of you and that cash stass killer, because 587 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: that's a blessing to be able to have somebody's talented 588 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: you that you can show off. He said, he had 589 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: me showing off to you. You know I can do this, brother, 590 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: You know that. Come on, Thank you, brother, thank you. 591 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: But more importantly, man, your book's amazing, Rodney Scotts World 592 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: of Barbecue. Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations again, Rodney, 593 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: oh man, thank you for having me. And I might 594 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: have to come by that office and let you do 595 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: the cooking. Absolutely, don't don't worry about that. On the 596 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: fried chicken with the pepper and come on, brother, this book, 597 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: kid is crazy good. It's crazy good, and I forgot 598 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: to talk about it now to putting. But we're't gonna 599 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: talk about that. 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Hi. 645 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: I am Rashan McDonald, host of Money Making Conversation dot com. 646 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: The Cafe Marca Swag Award is a celebration of Black 647 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: men who are making a difference in our community by 648 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: empowering others to reach their life goals from civic leaders, businessmen, activists, 649 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: celebrities and everyday days. The Cafe Marca Swagg Award winner 650 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 1: this week is Jahe Winston jah. He is a fifteen 651 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: year old rising actor who has shared the screen with 652 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: Roger P. Hinson, Kevin Hard and now stars in the 653 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: new HBO Max movie Charm City Kings with rapper Meek Mill. 654 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: But he's more than a teenage actor. Where all of 655 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: my works comes from, whether it be the roles that 656 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: I take, whether it be the work that I do 657 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: off screen, and the stories that I write and create create. 658 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: I always want to come from a place and how 659 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: cannot service my community. But by doing this, The Cafe 660 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: Marcha Squag Award represents men who have strength, whose wisdom 661 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: is assert and who is genuine in their spirit. Welcome 662 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: back to Money Making Conversations with your host. Rashaan McDonald. 663 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: My next guest, she's one of my favorites. She makes 664 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: me laugh, she makes you smile all the time. Is 665 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: Jody Watley. She's a Grammy Award winning, trend setting pioneer 666 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: and music video, fashion and style. Jodie is listening on 667 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: Billboards Top sixty Hot one hundred female artists of all time. 668 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: She's Top twenty five dance artists of all time. She 669 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: became one of the first artists to release a million 670 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: selling video, Dance to Fitness. She was the first woman 671 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: of color to play Rizzo on Broadway and they hit 672 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: Musical Greece. She is an entrepreneur and she's celebrating the 673 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: thirty fourth anniversary of her breakthrough Grammy Award winning solo 674 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: album and the mega hits like I'm Looking for a 675 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: New Love, Don't You Want Me? And Still A Three 676 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: and Please Walking the money Making Conversation before we get 677 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: out of hand, joy girl, Come on, how you knowing? 678 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: My friends? I'm great, great to see you and being 679 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: here with you on money Making conversation. You know. It's 680 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: really always a pleasure to your images always shine, you know, 681 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: And I always tell people are you know I talked 682 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: about that earlier in my intro about age, because people 683 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: stend to start saying what they can't do when they 684 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: reach a certain age. Talk give people advice about that 685 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: journey and that that limits yourself, specially your friends and 686 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: your family can stop you too, you know, and your 687 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: loved ones can stop you to talk about being able 688 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: to overcome the odds. Basically, sometimes it's just you look 689 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: in the mirror stopping yourself. You know. That is so true. 690 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: And one of my mantras is just live life. Forget 691 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: your age, don't worry about what people have to say 692 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: about you. Just live and and be your authentic self. 693 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: And I think if you get up on age, it 694 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: really will prevent you from um, you don't know what 695 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: the exuberance the new goals. Um. You know, life doesn't 696 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: end until it ends. And so I'm a big believer 697 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: and uh, and that's why I'm always so exuberant, you know. 698 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: With the end of I'm just mad, absolutely, And it's 699 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: not about trying to dress young and not trying to 700 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: act young. It's being topical. It's about being able to 701 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: live life. And it was my staff. I always said, Richard, look, 702 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, act your age from a standpoint, how I walk, 703 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: I address, how I talk, And I watched television. I 704 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: watch television. I like I want King Kong, I mean 705 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: in Godzilla for the second time with my daughter, you know, 706 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: because I just liked them know different things and like 707 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: the experience of the thing. Then I turn around watch 708 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: Captain America on Disney Plus. And then I turn around 709 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: and watch different types of movies, different types of sitcoms, 710 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: and I'm in tune it with the news that's going on, 711 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: a social injustice and COVID nineteen. And that's really what 712 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Still aware, correct, yes, absolutely being aware, 713 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: and also always having that you know, that inner child 714 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: that should always be within us to continue to learn 715 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: and grow and explore and be excited. It's like, get 716 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: excited about being alive, being here, having new opportunities. Each 717 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: day is a new opportunity. And to let your light shine. 718 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: You know, if I was saying before, what it is, 719 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: you're like, don't let anyone, damn it, reduce it. Keep 720 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: your light shining, you know. And I wanted to get 721 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: you back on the show because last time we talked 722 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: was in September and we were still was you know, 723 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: kovie was still wrapped around our neck, but we're still 724 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: were starting to see some light and you know, live 725 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: live concerts were basically the live event in general will 726 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: shut down. Everything was virtual. You really can make money virtual, 727 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: and so so the Tory industry was just put on hold. 728 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: And so now we're kind of COVID vaccine. I will 729 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: tell everybody I've been vaccinated twice, and I'm not putting 730 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: that pressure on anybody, just like you know, that's what 731 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: I did. I just felt that I wanted to take 732 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: control of my life. I didn't have control of my life. 733 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: I still wear masks, Jody, and I still do the 734 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: hand sanitizer. But still I feel a lot more comfortable, 735 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: not that I've been vaccinated. I feel like I when 736 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: I when I get the sniffles. I don't think there's 737 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen okay, you know exactly. And I just had 738 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: my first dose and I posted a little short clip 739 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: on my social media, uh first dose last week, And 740 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: like you it's like being in control of something that was, 741 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, out of our hands and to encourage others 742 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: to to do you know, do let's do our part 743 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: to get beyond this. I'm still masking too, and I 744 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: will continue to double mask even though even after I 745 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: get my second dose um, because I'm comfortable with it now, 746 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, and so and why shock hands and Santa 747 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: It's it's to me, it's a way of life now. 748 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: But I feel, like you said, it's like when you 749 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: get the sniffles or something, you won't think, oh my gosh, 750 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, uh so yeah, I got those one and 751 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,959 Speaker 1: it really hurt like crazy though that it's the only 752 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: thing people, It's like I got I gotta fight fighter. 753 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: What did you? Which one did you get? Because you know, 754 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: so they don't tell you to get there what you're 755 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: gonna get? You know, you said you won't show up. 756 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: I want mcdonna. Well they go, you don't know, just 757 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: get in lie when you get a lot and tell 758 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: you when they hit you all listen Johnson Johnson. They 759 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: don't know. But all I know is that, you know, 760 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: just you know, it really did change me in the positive. 761 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna Jody. When I got that the first one, 762 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: I was like, you you don't realize how much stress 763 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: you under walking around? You know, people coming up to you. 764 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: Some people might come up to you mask, some people 765 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: come with you. Remember the mask don't guarantee you. You 766 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: know this. You look at CDC. They have changed the 767 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: rules every other day, you know. And so when you 768 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: get food, you go shopping, did you touch the grocery basket? 769 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: When you get gas, did you? Did you? Did you? 770 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: Did you transfer the possible gerve to your stern wheel? 771 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: Did you? Did you? Did you? Don't know. It's just 772 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: so many things that that come into play. Then now 773 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about but I am still 774 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: cautious because that's the way we're gonna live for the 775 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: rest of our lives. We're gonna be and a hand 776 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: sanitizement because they said flu flues are down, flu hospitalizations 777 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: are down because we are sanitizing because we are more cautious. So, 778 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: like you said, it's not gonna change right now. I 779 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: think it will be the lifestyle. And you know, I'm 780 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: uh hand sanitizer. I have alcohol wipes in the car, 781 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: so when I'm going to the store, it's like, you know, 782 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: I've got gloves and sanitizing the gloves and so you know, constantly. 783 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: But you know, like you said, and I never even 784 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: had a flu shot. And so initially for people that 785 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: you know, you remember when we were little and it 786 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: was manned or you had to get the vaccine at 787 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: school and kids would be crying and passing out. And 788 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: so that was the last time I'd ever had and 789 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: I still have a scar on my arm form that one. 790 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: You know, as someone who hates needles. It was, you know, 791 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: to anyone listening, it really it goes so quick and 792 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: it was just like a little sting. And then I've 793 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: never been so I never thought I would say I 794 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: was actually relieved, like you said, to to get you know, 795 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: step one, and then I have the second one. But 796 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: for a vaccine, you know, but it wasn't it brings 797 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: a little sense of peace with it, you know, because 798 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: it has been stressful. Well, you have to get vaccinated 799 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: because some things are happening for you. Girl with the 800 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: National Museum of African American Music in Nashville, so you 801 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: got to come down to Nashville. Here pretty soon before 802 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: you come down to Nashville, U was appointed as the 803 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: first ever ambassador for the National Museum of African American Music. 804 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: I know a lot of those people up there, I 805 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: put the beauty. The building is beautiful, by the way, 806 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful building. So tell about tell us about 807 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: how you got tied into it and what are some 808 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: of the responsibilities being the ambassador of the National Museum 809 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: of African American Music. And in all it's uh session honor, 810 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, needless to say, um to be appointed as 811 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: the first ambassador, and it really um, you know, being 812 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: recognized for you know, being a trendsetter in music, my longevity, uh, 813 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: my endeavors as an artist, humanitarian and a lot of 814 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: the things that I've done over the years, and UM, 815 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's important to to be someone who's 816 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: always known for being you know, well spoken, prepared in 817 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: all of those things. And so uh you know, I'm 818 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: sure that went into the decision, and so you know, 819 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: I encourage memberships and um reading information about the museum. UM. 820 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: So far there's over a d artifacts and more to come. 821 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: They have interactive galleries, UH, they have educational programs. So 822 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: it's perfect for music lovers of all ages. UM. It's 823 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: not even not expensive, and for anyone who proclaims to 824 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: love African American music and love us you know, it's 825 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: not a race thing, but anyone can support the museum 826 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: and the memberships. Uh, you know, fifty dollars a year 827 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 1: is really you know, uh doable a month, roughly four 828 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: dollars a month, that's what you were talking about to 829 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: support our history and it is the only history of 830 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: its kind in the world. And um and so, like 831 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: I said, for me, it's an honor to be the 832 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 1: first ambassador. You know, there's a on the general tron 833 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: in front is at least going uh you know, you know, 834 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: it's really a beautiful I look at my career, I 835 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: look at the people I've involved in and I used 836 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: the word career because you have a career because you know, 837 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: there a lot of people get opportunities in this business. 838 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm talking about his life I 839 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: look at and stay relevant and you're you. You managed 840 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: to stay relevant and also have a career at the 841 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: same time. And that's a scary part because you know, 842 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 1: you started out so young in your career and now 843 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: you look at it now. So to talk to my 844 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: my viewers and my listeners about you know, longevity and 845 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 1: the word career. In the words of Jody Watley, you know, 846 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: longevity is the key because you know you can have uh, 847 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: it sustains success, is what it's all about. And I 848 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,959 Speaker 1: think with the decision making, uh, with being a professional, 849 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: with seeing the big picture. Um, it's it's us has 850 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: always been really important to me as opposed to doing things, 851 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, for you know, quick fame or quick glory 852 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: or a quick dollar. Um. And so to anyone listening 853 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: and watching, it really is always look at the bigger picture, 854 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: even when no one else you might be the only 855 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: one in your circle, might not have a circle. Uh. 856 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: And people may try to talk you into things that 857 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: are very shortsighted, but you always have to have that vision. 858 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: Longevity is the greatest thing no matter what your profession is, 859 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: but especially in the music business because it's so you know, 860 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: fickle and um. And so I've just really worked at 861 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: my craft and also been able to expand you know, 862 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: I'm a songwriter as well, uh and so to have 863 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: songs that I can still sing or songs that still 864 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: get played on the radio. Um. You know, past and 865 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: present is everything. But think a lot of people get 866 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: caught up in them and and I'm very much live 867 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: in the moment. But when you're having your career. You 868 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: gotta think in the long term and not the short term. Wow, 869 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: because I know that. I remember when I first walked 870 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 1: on stage doing stand up comedy in college and and all, 871 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: it was just it's just an idea. I don't know 872 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: why I was on stage, but I just knew how 873 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 1: something I wanted to do At what point in your 874 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 1: career because you were just blessed with gifts, you know, 875 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 1: and God. I always believe God gives us all gifts. 876 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: It's what we do with those gifts and how much 877 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: work we put into following that dream or opportunity. When 878 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 1: did't you realize this was something that you could do 879 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: versus something that you was given opportunity to pursue. In 880 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: other words, you can make money off this, you can 881 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: live off this. Then comes to challenges of like I said, sustainability, 882 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: great question. Um. You know when I was first starting out, 883 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: like I said, I always hope that you know, it's 884 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,959 Speaker 1: like giving an opportunity, um, being prepared because my dad, 885 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, arrested soul. He used to always talk about planning, preparation, 886 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: and purpose, and so it's kind of ingrained in me. 887 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: Uh So, when opportunity was ready, was presenting itself. I 888 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: was ready for it. So within the opportunity is how 889 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: I handled it, How I handled the adversity, how I 890 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: handled you know, learning from mistakes and always using the 891 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: knowledge to to improve my situation. You know, starting out, 892 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, not really knowing about the business of music, 893 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: but learning the business of music is more business than 894 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: it is. You know. They call it show business for 895 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: a reason. Business part is and a lot of people 896 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: get that wrong as they get caught up. And I'm famous, 897 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 1: and I never cared about being famous. I can tell 898 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: you that I always wanted to be you know, uh, perform, armor, 899 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: have my own business, um, design club. Like. I always 900 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,439 Speaker 1: had a lot of ambition, um. But I've always been 901 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: really level headed. And I think when I knew I 902 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 1: would make a living, it's just and maybe I always 903 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: believed that, um, but there was no one moment where 904 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: I said I can make a living from this, right. 905 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting when you say that, because 906 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: you don't. You know, sometimes you just get in the 907 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: moment and then all of a sudden, you know, the 908 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: first part of it is just enthusiasm, you know, walking 909 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: on stage, seeing all these people, you know, you know, 910 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: it's almost you almost get caught up in it. And 911 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: so but you have to somewhere along in line put 912 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: those blinders on and slow down and go, Okay, what 913 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: do I want to do? And those are the tough 914 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: decisions that you have to make because it allows you 915 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: now to be inducted into the National Museum of African 916 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: American Music in June of one. If that's not a 917 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: great thing that happened post pandemic, because it couldn't have happened, 918 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: tell us about getting that phone called, tell us about 919 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, just putting yourself in. That's that's iconic. That's 920 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: that's that's beautiful, you know. And tears actually and wishing 921 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,320 Speaker 1: my dad would was here, but I know he's smiling 922 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: from above because he was the one that always, you 923 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: know and still so many you know, great principles and 924 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: me and said, you know, I was gonna be a 925 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: star and all those things. But also at the same time, 926 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: you know, remember only the strong survived. You Always, my dad, 927 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: he used to get on my nerves because he always 928 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: had these pearls of wisdom and it's just like, oh 929 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: my god, you know, but I'm so thankful because it's 930 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: stuck with me. You know, it's stuck with me, and 931 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: I think that's why the same part of it never 932 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 1: has really is to be proud of my work and 933 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: to um inspire other people. It's very important to me, 934 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: and I think that I always hope that that is 935 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: the example that I continue to to set, you know, 936 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: um and to to have it by being my authentic self, 937 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: have the style that I have, and to have influenced 938 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: so many people, and to be recognized for that in 939 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: this National Museum of African American Music, It's just it's 940 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: just a blessing. Don't mess because you've got a lot 941 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: of looks now, Jody, Okay, now you've got a lot 942 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: of looks now. You know we can go back. Urt. 943 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: You got the exercise look, you got that I'm looking for, 944 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And so you got that 945 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: second time, you got that look. You've got so many 946 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: great looks. So so is it gonna be a wax 947 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: when I go up there in Nashville, I Am not 948 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 1: going to see a wax figure of you. I'm gonna 949 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: see a photo. What iconic look are they gonna have 950 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: for your display at the museum? And I can't give 951 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: it away? It is. It is Jody Watley and it's 952 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: one of my solo iconic looks, and um, I'm just 953 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: so like I said, I can't wait to see it 954 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 1: and how they put the installation together. But I've curating, uh, 955 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: some of my most curate iconic pieces, okay for people 956 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: to see. So when they see it, they'll be like, 957 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: oh my god. You know from the jumbo, who is 958 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 1: I forgot to put today? You know? You know, it's 959 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,720 Speaker 1: like that's Jody Watty. Oh my god. You know. So 960 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,959 Speaker 1: I'm just so excited. It's unbelievable. And we haven't fun 961 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: because you know, and I'm just teasing you out of 962 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: this tremendous respect and trying to get a little inside 963 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: information on mighty made conversation. But I know the big 964 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: prize is being in June, being there at this celebration 965 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: with family, with friends, industry executives of other legends in 966 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: the building. I I've been fortunate to be recognized for 967 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: my my talents and what I've done in this business. 968 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,919 Speaker 1: And it's really kind of interesting, Jody, because you don't, 969 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: you know, you live a life so fast and live 970 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: a life so to the next moment. Sometimes you have 971 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: to you don't look back and realize that path of success. 972 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: And I mentioned only a few things that you've accomplished 973 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: in your amazing life. So, like you said, when you 974 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: got the call, you were in tears. Now as it 975 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: gets closer, we're in April, made you Okay, it's a 976 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: couple of months now, right. Well, you know that's the 977 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: thing too about getting the vaccine, because I haven't traveled, 978 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: and I'll probably have some sort of PTSD, you know, 979 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: just being and not really being around too many people. 980 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 1: I've really been in a in a bubble and so 981 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: so I'm excited to make the trip, uh to Nashville. 982 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 1: And you know, uh, it's gonna be beautiful, you know, 983 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: because you know people don't wanna be on that red carpet. Okay, 984 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: I gotta turn this way. You gotta turn this way. 985 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,399 Speaker 1: People gonna wanta want you to touch them. They're gonna 986 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: want you to do some selfies. Girl. You better be 987 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: you better be maped up, get your little plastic sheel 988 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,800 Speaker 1: on your face, You better your look. You design something 989 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, you know, but you listen. But the blessed 990 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 1: it is thirty four years anniversary of you that that 991 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: that single, that that they put you out there and 992 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: made you a star at the next up let me say, 993 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: let me correct it. The next level star. It's a 994 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 1: solo artist, because that's all we all but want, because 995 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: you could be in a group maintain success, but you know, 996 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,439 Speaker 1: you gotta kind of grow as a group. You gotta 997 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: train as a group kind of answers the group. But 998 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 1: when that album dropped, what was the most defining moment 999 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: for you at that time? Oh, you know what before 1000 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: winning the Grammy Award for Best New Artists, when the 1001 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: single started taking out my first the day you single, 1002 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: looking for a New Love, and when it started taking off, 1003 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: and and Joe Busby who signed me, who was just 1004 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 1: so amazing and uh had so much confidence in me 1005 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: and allowed me to present my authentic self. I said, Gerald, 1006 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 1: I just you know, I want to beat Jody Whatley. 1007 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,839 Speaker 1: I don't want to be marketed as formerly. I just 1008 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: it's Jody Whatley, Jody Whatley, and this is how I 1009 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: want the visuals to be. And so he really, you know, 1010 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 1: we all need someone like that, and he was the one. 1011 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: He just gave me the freedom. But then galvanized the 1012 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: company um and the single right away it just started 1013 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: taking off, and you know, I was going kind of 1014 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: like a politician. I mean, Gerald had me going across 1015 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 1: the country shaking hands and meet and greets and you 1016 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: know and fish fries and at the Pine and I 1017 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: was meeting everybody, you know, and was happy to do it. 1018 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: And so there was such a positive anticipation and um 1019 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,800 Speaker 1: and they loved the song and then they just really 1020 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: um connected with me with the grassroots effort that was invaluable. 1021 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: And I just I never in my wildest dreams I 1022 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: thought it was good, you know, but we all think 1023 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: our work is good and great, but it just it 1024 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: just took off, like just like God just made it happen. 1025 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: You know, you was our girlfriend. You know, you was 1026 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: use our girlfriend, you know, buddy, you know somebody because 1027 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 1: you were natural. You know, it was nothing overblowing about. 1028 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,359 Speaker 1: You just saw like somebody we could walk up talk 1029 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: to you. That's why he put you in those those 1030 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: natural environments where people can see you just like there. 1031 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,440 Speaker 1: You just have some some talent that God gave you 1032 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 1: that now you're sharing in the music. Now, before we go, 1033 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,160 Speaker 1: I got to talk about your signature line. You know, 1034 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,399 Speaker 1: we know it's about money making conversations entrepreneurship. I don't 1035 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 1: want to get lost in the induction is great, their announcement, 1036 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 1: the ambassadorship is great. But we know we're about to 1037 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 1: roll into this June event. We're about to announcement the 1038 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 1: new arrival of some of your signature line, your home life, 1039 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: Body Miss, and your calm com for different things. Let's 1040 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: talk about the things in your shop. So we in June. 1041 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm you know, I'm gonna coming with you. 1042 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up there and be with you. 1043 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 1: But more importantly, I'm gonna promote all these things and 1044 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: trying to create a uh Galvinnie send you because a 1045 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: lot of media is gonna be around you in the 1046 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 1: month of June. So let's talk about your entrepreneurship background, 1047 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 1: your signature homeline. So the candle line, the signature line 1048 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,879 Speaker 1: is Luxury soy candles, clean burning. Um. You know, I've 1049 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: always been into personal wellness. That goes back to the 1050 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: fitness video, dance the fitness UM. So it's just a 1051 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,359 Speaker 1: natural progression. So uh, we have calm and comfort and sanctuary. 1052 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,279 Speaker 1: The body Miss just coming, that's a new it will 1053 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: be here uh in May and time for Mother's Day 1054 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: even I'm doing a conditioning beard oil for men. Come 1055 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,840 Speaker 1: on that girl. You know I gotta get some of that. 1056 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm gona teasing Jody. I'm going to buy. Don't send 1057 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: me nothing. Tell me when it's the link out. Now 1058 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,400 Speaker 1: you have to link I can buy now. Yeah, the 1059 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,760 Speaker 1: the oil is not there yet, but this it's Jody 1060 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,200 Speaker 1: Whitley shop dot com is my online store. Okay, let 1061 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,279 Speaker 1: me know when the when the all for the for 1062 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,399 Speaker 1: the beard comes out, because I'm gonna buy. I don't 1063 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 1: do that, you see me free still no, no, no, 1064 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: you you're my people. People take care of each other. 1065 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,840 Speaker 1: We family. Let me. I'm gonna buy. I'm gonna buy. Sorry, 1066 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 1: so I can tell everybody I got all of my faces. 1067 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm good to come on. Come on, i'nna dancing in 1068 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: my seats. Come on, that's what I want. Because the 1069 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: thing about it is that so just as Jody Whiteley 1070 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,799 Speaker 1: net false last shop. Correct, that's that's that's the show. 1071 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 1: Just go to Johnny Whiteley shop dot com. That's the 1072 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: actual story. Okay, cool, that's that's amazing, that's beautiful. So 1073 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: so and so, with the number of things we got 1074 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: coming up, you got some some beard all for people 1075 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: like me, ru Sean McDonald who's trying to look good. 1076 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: This one, little Jody on him, Little Jody on the 1077 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: body missing and life and Candley your wife, and just 1078 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, something for everybody. And I'm gonna continue adding 1079 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: products and it's all natural and organic and you know 1080 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 1: it makes you feel good, smell good and look good. 1081 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,600 Speaker 1: Oh my good. You put a little song over there. 1082 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: But before we go down, you were just I was so, 1083 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 1: I wonder what this in the g J Cassidy you 1084 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,279 Speaker 1: was involved with. He was featuring in the video Believe 1085 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,840 Speaker 1: with DJ Cassidy. Yeah, I did one of his past 1086 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: the mic series and um and that was fun. Everybody 1087 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: loves those, you know, he gets people to sing along 1088 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,279 Speaker 1: with some of some classics and uh they are fan 1089 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: favorites and I had a lot of fun doing that 1090 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,719 Speaker 1: with him. And that's all I was saying, you know, 1091 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 1: being being topical, being relevant, stand you know, not limiting 1092 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,759 Speaker 1: you who you are by staying relevant because of who 1093 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,680 Speaker 1: you are. That's that's that's bring it back by home. 1094 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,200 Speaker 1: But again, I always have a great time talking to you. 1095 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 1: You know, we gotta talk to you. What I'm not 1096 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: gonna do is ignore you going down, going up to Nashville. 1097 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,680 Speaker 1: So we're gonna bring out a little schedule, Sean mc 1098 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 1: don't bring you back on in June so we can 1099 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: celebrate the induction on air. Money making conversation. We're gonna 1100 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 1: talk about hopefully about then I'm ana or the online 1101 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: while you looking at me, the beard all straight out 1102 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 1: of the majority, while they shot dot Com shot. We're 1103 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: gonna do all these things. But you're fantastic, and when 1104 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,800 Speaker 1: you come back, we gotta have that kitchen war conversation. 1105 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,720 Speaker 1: You know, cast hysterics, what you can't do. We're talking 1106 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 1: a lot off air and my my a PC if 1107 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: you put some of this stuff on air, please thank you. Well, 1108 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We're gonna bring the castsation next big nextion. 1109 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: So again, Jody, thank you for coming on wan to 1110 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: making conversations. Thank you for having me. If I could 1111 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,880 Speaker 1: be you and you could be me for just one hour, 1112 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: if you could find a way to get inside each 1113 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,720 Speaker 1: other's mind, walk a mile in my shoes, Waco mile 1114 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 1: in my shoes, shoes. We've all felt left out, and 1115 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,000 Speaker 1: for some that feeling lasts more than a moment. We 1116 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: can change that, learn how it belonging begins with us. 1117 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 1: Dot org brought to you by the ACT Council. Welcome 1118 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 1: mile in the shoes. Look at your children's eyes to 1119 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,720 Speaker 1: see the true magic of a forest. It's a storybook 1120 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,760 Speaker 1: world for them. 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Sure you know what else grows in the forest. 1129 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 1: Our imagination, our sense of wonder, and our family bonds 1130 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,720 Speaker 1: grow too, because when we disconnect from this and connect 1131 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: with this, we reconnect with each other. The forest is 1132 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,400 Speaker 1: closer than you think. Find a forest near you and 1133 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: start exploring. I Discover the Forest dot org brought to 1134 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,920 Speaker 1: you by the United States Forest Service and the AD Council. 1135 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: My next guest is Rebecca Jarvis. She's an Emmy Award 1136 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,280 Speaker 1: winning journalist. She has ABC News Chief Business, Technology and 1137 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: Economics correspondence, the hosting creator of The Drop Off, a 1138 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,560 Speaker 1: top rated podcast the chronicles the rise and falls of 1139 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes, and the hosting creative the highly acclaimed No 1140 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,520 Speaker 1: Limits with Rebecca Jarvis podcast, which features game changing women. 1141 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 1: Now as chief Business, Technology and Economics correspondent, True reports 1142 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 1: for all ABC News programs, including Good Morning America, World News, 1143 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Tonight with David Meir, Nightline, and this Week Jaws Stephanopolous. 1144 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: She's on the show to discuss the latest ABC News original. 1145 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 1: It is an in depth look at the Joe dropping 1146 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: stock market, twisting turns, and the study chain of events. 1147 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,240 Speaker 1: Now synonymous with the name game Stop, please working the 1148 01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,439 Speaker 1: money making conversations. Rebecca Jervis, Hey, what an introduction. Thank 1149 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: you for having me. I love what you're doing here. 1150 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: It's fantastic. I love the conversations you're having and helping 1151 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,440 Speaker 1: people really figure out the building blocks of success. So 1152 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,560 Speaker 1: thank you for what you do, and thanks for having me. 1153 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Well great because you were both storytellers and uh and 1154 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,200 Speaker 1: when I read your stories and like I told before 1155 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,200 Speaker 1: we got over there, I was just saw game Stop. 1156 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,040 Speaker 1: I tried what I try to do my interviews I 1157 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,480 Speaker 1: try to watch what I'm read a book the day before. 1158 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,040 Speaker 1: She just showed the movies the day you know, with 1159 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,919 Speaker 1: there the twenty four hour cycle that with everything is fresh, 1160 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm not writing notes trying to remember something. And but 1161 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,880 Speaker 1: before we get started in and I gave all these 1162 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,840 Speaker 1: but let's learn about your educational background. Can you tell 1163 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 1: us a little bit about you how you got to 1164 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,400 Speaker 1: start from from an academic standpoint which led you to 1165 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 1: ABC through CBS. Yes, fantastic, great, I'm glad we start 1166 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,880 Speaker 1: there because it is such an important place to be. 1167 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: And so I grew up in Northeast Minneapolis. I grew 1168 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,240 Speaker 1: up my mom is a journalist, she's a writer UM, 1169 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,040 Speaker 1: and my grandfather was also a journalist. And I always 1170 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 1: wanted to do that as a career. But they both 1171 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 1: told me, if you start that as a career, you're 1172 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,240 Speaker 1: going to be graduating from college with a lot of 1173 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: student loan debt and you will not be able to 1174 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 1: pay it off if you start out as a journalist. 1175 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: So I went to college at the University of Chicago. 1176 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 1: I always gravitated towards math as a kid. I loved math. 1177 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 1: I also liked writing UM and I ended up studying 1178 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:51,000 Speaker 1: economics in college and then immediately pursuing jobs early on 1179 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,240 Speaker 1: out of college and investment banking. And the reason I 1180 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,160 Speaker 1: share that is that for me, I was graduating pretty 1181 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 1: significantly in student loan debt. I had about thirty dollars 1182 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,760 Speaker 1: in student loan debt at my graduation, and I in 1183 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,720 Speaker 1: part chose investment banking and a career in finance because 1184 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 1: for me, it was going to be away that I 1185 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,280 Speaker 1: was going to be able to know that I could 1186 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: make my student loan payments. I didn't have a financial 1187 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,840 Speaker 1: safety net, so there wasn't anyone else who's going to 1188 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: be paying those student loan payments upon graduation. And I 1189 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,080 Speaker 1: did that job for about two years until I got 1190 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 1: to a point where I felt like I could comfortably 1191 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,160 Speaker 1: continue to pay down my loans and pay them off, 1192 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: and then started at that point pursuing journalism jobs. Well, 1193 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,920 Speaker 1: those jobs have led you to all these shows that 1194 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 1: you now respected and cover. But isn't that a lot 1195 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,600 Speaker 1: of pressure or a lot of a clear understanding that 1196 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,720 Speaker 1: people come to you for the facts and so did 1197 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: you have to do your due diligence and your homework 1198 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,520 Speaker 1: and you have to have relationships? They tell you this 1199 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: is the fact ride with it. I'll run with your story. Yeah, 1200 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,800 Speaker 1: And just like you you know you mentioned at the 1201 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: top of this program, you do your homework, You do 1202 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,720 Speaker 1: your research, and I spend a lot of time digging 1203 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,160 Speaker 1: into the data and the information and looking at numbers. 1204 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 1: A lot of my work today is spent reading research reports, 1205 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 1: and especially in the early days of my career starting 1206 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 1: out in finance. One thing I tell a lot of people, 1207 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 1: um they asked me what the best way to get 1208 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,960 Speaker 1: into journalism is, and for me, the best way was 1209 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,600 Speaker 1: not necessarily going at it directly. It wasn't starting out 1210 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,600 Speaker 1: and applying to newspaper and TV jobs right away. Instead, 1211 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,880 Speaker 1: it was having that financial background that both lends me 1212 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,200 Speaker 1: credibility today when I have to look at complicated pieces 1213 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,640 Speaker 1: of financial information. And that's certainly something that we did 1214 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,560 Speaker 1: with Game Stop um the documentary you mentioned at the 1215 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,600 Speaker 1: beginning that's now streaming on Hulu that chronicles the rise 1216 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: and fall of the Game Stop stock price and the phenomenon. 1217 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, to be able to look at the stock market, 1218 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,640 Speaker 1: you really do have to have um or. At least 1219 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,720 Speaker 1: for me, it comes in handy to have a background 1220 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,120 Speaker 1: in it and to really understand it. So starting out 1221 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,840 Speaker 1: in finance, while it wasn't directly walking into a newsroom 1222 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,360 Speaker 1: and starting out maybe as an intern or a junior 1223 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,160 Speaker 1: level reporter, it allowed me in some ways to fast 1224 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,840 Speaker 1: track my career so that when I did start applying 1225 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 1: for journalism jobs, I was coming into a newsroom with 1226 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,880 Speaker 1: some credibility around this topic that I was going to cover, 1227 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: which ultimately today is now business, technology and the economy. 1228 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,520 Speaker 1: But in the early days of my career was really 1229 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,600 Speaker 1: business based, and I could go to UM editors and 1230 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 1: this is what I did. I cold called. I was 1231 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 1: in Chicago at the time, and I called up business 1232 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,400 Speaker 1: editors in Chicago and asked them out for coffee, and 1233 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: I talked to them about their job, asked them how 1234 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,400 Speaker 1: they got to where they got to. And I would 1235 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,400 Speaker 1: go to each of those meetings with some ideas pitches 1236 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: for them, story pitches, and at the end of the meeting, 1237 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,000 Speaker 1: I would always say, I have some ideas that I 1238 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 1: would really like to share with you UM, I'd be 1239 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,280 Speaker 1: interested in in writing them for you if you ever 1240 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: had an opportunity for that. And I would share the 1241 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 1: ideas and they were all based on things that I 1242 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,760 Speaker 1: saw in finance. And so if you are somebody who's 1243 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,240 Speaker 1: on a path, especially to journalism, I think nothing beats 1244 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,160 Speaker 1: great story ideas. So if you have a background or 1245 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 1: you're seeing things, bring those ideas too. And again it 1246 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,640 Speaker 1: can be cool calling. That's how I did it. I 1247 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,280 Speaker 1: didn't know anyone, I didn't have a special leg up. 1248 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 1: I just contacted them. I went on their websites, I 1249 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,800 Speaker 1: looked for the right person, I reached out. I contacted them. 1250 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 1: And another thing I would say about my story that 1251 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,680 Speaker 1: I think is really something that I encourage everyone to do. 1252 01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,360 Speaker 1: Ask people to coffee without any kind of reservation. I mean, 1253 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,800 Speaker 1: you don't have to have a specific pitch to someone 1254 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,720 Speaker 1: about why you're going to get to know them. You 1255 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 1: can say, I'm interested in your industry, tell me more 1256 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,440 Speaker 1: about yourself. I want to get to know you. And nowadays, 1257 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we can do this over soon. You can 1258 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 1: do it over social media, you can do it on LinkedIn. 1259 01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,280 Speaker 1: All of these different platforms are entry points. And I 1260 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,440 Speaker 1: tell people the most important thing to focus on is 1261 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,200 Speaker 1: not who doesn't return your call, who doesn't return your email, 1262 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,480 Speaker 1: it's the one who does. Because it only takes one 1263 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: to land the job. That is going to bring you 1264 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,760 Speaker 1: to your dream career. Awesome. Let me tell you a 1265 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,040 Speaker 1: little bit about myself so you can so when we 1266 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,360 Speaker 1: start talking, you get a sense of where I'm coming 1267 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,600 Speaker 1: from from in depth, Okay, my degrees in mathematics, my 1268 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 1: minders and sociology okay, and and so uh economics. I 1269 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,160 Speaker 1: tried that degree plan. I couldn't get through. I couldn't 1270 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: get through. I tried my degree plan and engineering couldn't 1271 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,960 Speaker 1: get through. But math was a natural for me. I 1272 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,640 Speaker 1: got that degree. Cool. Um. I have invested in the 1273 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,480 Speaker 1: stock several different times. One I trusted myself and then 1274 01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,000 Speaker 1: I went into the little little funds that's who. And 1275 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 1: then recently I decided I'm going back to where I 1276 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: used to think I would pick the stocks that I 1277 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 1: wanted to And I went to my mirleage is where 1278 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,080 Speaker 1: I do my stock and stocking net stock investment in 1279 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 1: through and I said, this is the stock you want 1280 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: to Well, we're gonna put you in the funds to 1281 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,120 Speaker 1: know I want to do these stocks that I'm going 1282 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,800 Speaker 1: back to what I trust myself and my thought process. 1283 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:12,800 Speaker 1: So I want to let you know I have some 1284 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,080 Speaker 1: understanding of the stock market. I'm arrogant enough to tell 1285 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,120 Speaker 1: people what I want to invest in, not saying it 1286 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,040 Speaker 1: may be the right, but I'm arrogant enough to say that, 1287 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,040 Speaker 1: and so so when we start talking about game Stop, 1288 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,360 Speaker 1: it's still It helped me a lot to understand what's 1289 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,280 Speaker 1: going on, But I also have some thoughts about Robin 1290 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,120 Speaker 1: Hood that Apple, which which I really uh, you know, 1291 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,720 Speaker 1: it was really interesting, Rebecca. I knew, but I was 1292 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,160 Speaker 1: on the outside of this story until I read I 1293 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,840 Speaker 1: saw your documentary. So it really brought me inside and 1294 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,800 Speaker 1: let me know how this is the stock market really 1295 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 1: is about everyday people. So we brought you into the 1296 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,760 Speaker 1: story of game Stop. Um well, I first of all, 1297 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,600 Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that background. I love that you 1298 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,000 Speaker 1: have that background that you're interested in, and I think 1299 01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of where a lot of people are coming from. 1300 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: You know, I covered the financial crisis, the Great Recession 1301 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,480 Speaker 1: of two thousand seven two thousand eight, and what I 1302 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,920 Speaker 1: saw happening in the uh financial crisis were so many 1303 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:14,080 Speaker 1: people looking at their savings, their retirement savings accounts dwindling 1304 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,640 Speaker 1: because the market was collapsing, and they sold. And had 1305 01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,640 Speaker 1: they not sold in that environment, had they held on, 1306 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,800 Speaker 1: they would have made their money back and then some 1307 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,519 Speaker 1: within three years. Those who sold in the financial crisis 1308 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,160 Speaker 1: were the ones who lost the half of their life 1309 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,400 Speaker 1: savings on average. And so to me, I'm always drawn 1310 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: to these various events around the stock market that that 1311 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:42,240 Speaker 1: captivate and capture everyone's attention because I see a responsibility 1312 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:46,439 Speaker 1: in my role covering this for ABC News to be 1313 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 1: someone who can remind people of history. And when I 1314 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,280 Speaker 1: saw game Stop in particular, a single stock that was 1315 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,120 Speaker 1: boosted by hysteria and excitement and this new trend of 1316 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,080 Speaker 1: people really spending more time online because of the pandemic 1317 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,120 Speaker 1: and having this technology in their hand via an app 1318 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:10,439 Speaker 1: called robin Hood, such that they could trade seven um, 1319 01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,280 Speaker 1: it reminded me of the importance both of the role 1320 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that people were getting good information, solid information, 1321 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,599 Speaker 1: and then also to really want to help people understand 1322 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,960 Speaker 1: the difference between, for example, putting money into an individual 1323 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,000 Speaker 1: company like game Stop versus putting money into a four 1324 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,080 Speaker 1: oh one K or an i RA which is investing 1325 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,840 Speaker 1: its saving for the long term. Game Stop is more 1326 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,240 Speaker 1: the equivalent, and it's not just game Stop. Anytime you 1327 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,880 Speaker 1: put money into a single stock, it is the equivalent 1328 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,360 Speaker 1: of betting. It's the equivalent of gambling and walking into 1329 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,439 Speaker 1: a casino because if you're thinking of it in a 1330 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,120 Speaker 1: short term thing, a single stock can go up or 1331 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,479 Speaker 1: go down. You can lose money, you can make money 1332 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,839 Speaker 1: on a single stock. If you think about the stock 1333 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,880 Speaker 1: market as a whole, the collective stock market over time 1334 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,679 Speaker 1: historically goes up about seven person now one year out 1335 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,840 Speaker 1: of out of thirty. It might go down, it might 1336 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,560 Speaker 1: go up, but over time, if you invest for the 1337 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,360 Speaker 1: long haul, that's the most tried and true form of 1338 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,680 Speaker 1: saving because over time the market does go up, but 1339 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,519 Speaker 1: you have to be in it for the long haul 1340 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,759 Speaker 1: to capitalize on that. Whereas with a company like game Stop, 1341 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:25,000 Speaker 1: you never know and just the hysteria. I mean, let 1342 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,479 Speaker 1: me ask you this because I want to meet sure, 1343 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,599 Speaker 1: I'm on the same page with you about robin Hood. Now, 1344 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,639 Speaker 1: I saw robin hood as an app, okay, an app 1345 01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: that you can go and buy stock on right. I 1346 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,280 Speaker 1: mean you could buy Intail, you could buy Apple, you 1347 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,920 Speaker 1: can buy game Stop. In this situation, am I correct? 1348 01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,519 Speaker 1: What was stealing? It's like okay, cool, okay cool. Now 1349 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,559 Speaker 1: that the problem we had with robin Hood was that, well, 1350 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,679 Speaker 1: as you go through the story Game Stop was everybody 1351 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,000 Speaker 1: was buying Game Stop through the app, and they didn't 1352 01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: have the funds to cover to buy yes. So so 1353 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,240 Speaker 1: all of these brokerage is whether it's robin Hood or 1354 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:11,080 Speaker 1: Charles Schwab or any other brokerage, when you use the 1355 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,840 Speaker 1: app on your phone, they have to have enough collateral 1356 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that they can cover any trade that 1357 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: you make on your phone. And there's an outside agency 1358 01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 1: that oversees all of this that make sure that Robin 1359 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,280 Speaker 1: Hood and Charles Schwab and all the other brokerages are 1360 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,920 Speaker 1: safe essentially to do and conduct business in the way 1361 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: that they're conducting it. Well, what happened is Game Stop, 1362 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,160 Speaker 1: so many people were buying game stuff, and many of 1363 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,840 Speaker 1: them were using the robin Hood app to do it, 1364 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,960 Speaker 1: but they were using all different kinds of apps as well. 1365 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,240 Speaker 1: So many people were buying game stuff that it just 1366 01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,479 Speaker 1: became explosive. It was larger than life, and that added 1367 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,280 Speaker 1: new risks to the system. And as a result of 1368 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,840 Speaker 1: those new risks, um robin Hood as well as a 1369 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,599 Speaker 1: number of other brokerages got this collateral hall which said 1370 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,760 Speaker 1: you have to put up way more money than you 1371 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,120 Speaker 1: have ever put up before in order to back these trades, 1372 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,439 Speaker 1: and as a result, Robin Hood says, it made this 1373 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,360 Speaker 1: decision to restrict buying of game stock, and they did 1374 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,040 Speaker 1: this on January. And after they did this, you saw 1375 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,200 Speaker 1: the stock of game Stop plummet. It was like it 1376 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,880 Speaker 1: was going like this and then it went like that. 1377 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely because there's a couple of people on this uh 1378 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 1: doing this special, like Jim Kramer. Okay, yes, okay, see 1379 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,200 Speaker 1: there's a there's another guy that's it's kind of like 1380 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,240 Speaker 1: he's the he's kind of like the the funny man 1381 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: version of Jim Kramer who got everybody hyped up. He 1382 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,720 Speaker 1: wears yeah, that's the funny hats and everything. But I 1383 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,720 Speaker 1: begged the different. I mean to see, I go way 1384 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,640 Speaker 1: back to I want to say I was writing knowing 1385 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,839 Speaker 1: me and the boys, but by eight five, between two thousand, 1386 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: Jim Kramer was coming out of the box kind of 1387 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,280 Speaker 1: like this guy hyping stuff. That's when television, I mean, 1388 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: I was said, there Rebecca making decisions on BAM, making 1389 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,559 Speaker 1: decisions on office depot, making decisions on kmart stock based 1390 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,880 Speaker 1: on what Jim was saying. So I thought it was 1391 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,000 Speaker 1: kind of like ironic. Listen to him being an interviewed 1392 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,840 Speaker 1: and you did the same thing that this guy was doing, 1393 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,960 Speaker 1: so much so that John Stewart called you out for 1394 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 1: giving over hyped information on your show and he had 1395 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 1: to come on John Stewart Show to say, oh, yeah, 1396 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, I apologize, so to speak. And so so 1397 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,880 Speaker 1: when he was to be an interview I was like, Okay, 1398 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,400 Speaker 1: Jim Cramer, really you're gonna sit up here and act 1399 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,560 Speaker 1: like you weren't that version of this guy because we 1400 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,680 Speaker 1: as as as fans of trying to get information. That's 1401 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,720 Speaker 1: why I love this show, because I'm going, like, I've 1402 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,880 Speaker 1: been on this journey, Rebecca, I've been a game stop participant, 1403 01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,840 Speaker 1: just at a different time period because it happens all 1404 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,879 Speaker 1: the time. Because we it might not be as drastic 1405 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,960 Speaker 1: as this, Rebecca, but we still are led by a lead. 1406 01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,000 Speaker 1: All we wanted to lead. And when we look at 1407 01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,519 Speaker 1: these people and they give us information that maybe right 1408 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,400 Speaker 1: or wrong, they do their little dentification. Don't don't follow me, 1409 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Don't leave in but but bye, 1410 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,120 Speaker 1: but bye. And so so, when you brought Jim Kramer, 1411 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,120 Speaker 1: and what was the purpose of bringing him in, because 1412 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,720 Speaker 1: like I saw him as a different role because I 1413 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,800 Speaker 1: had a different experience with him, because he was a 1414 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,000 Speaker 1: younger version. He was an older version of what I 1415 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,599 Speaker 1: was seeing now being exposed in this documentary. Sure, So okay, 1416 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,040 Speaker 1: so I misspoke. I wasn't sure who you were talking about, 1417 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,479 Speaker 1: and I thought you were talking about someone else. You 1418 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,560 Speaker 1: were talking about Roaring Kitty. So just some backgrounds. So 1419 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,200 Speaker 1: there's a person. His name is Keith gil but he 1420 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,439 Speaker 1: also has the YouTube name Roaring Kitty um, and he 1421 01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,479 Speaker 1: has a Reddit name that I can't say here because 1422 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,240 Speaker 1: we would both get in trouble for my language. Um. 1423 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,120 Speaker 1: But he is one of the first people who spotted 1424 01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,960 Speaker 1: game stuff. Was treating only a few dollars of share. 1425 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,800 Speaker 1: He thought it was something that had value. He talked 1426 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 1: about it all over social media. A lot of people 1427 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,320 Speaker 1: started to follow of what he was saying and they 1428 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,400 Speaker 1: started pouring money in. And when he first started talking 1429 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,519 Speaker 1: about game Stop, it was about four dollars a share. 1430 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,840 Speaker 1: Six months later it got up to three fifty dollars 1431 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,640 Speaker 1: a share, And there was a lot of conversation on 1432 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,160 Speaker 1: Reddit and other places on social media about the importance 1433 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: of putting money into game Stop and this idea that 1434 01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,519 Speaker 1: if all the sort of little guys decided to act 1435 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:28,320 Speaker 1: collectively together that they could really drive up the price 1436 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,920 Speaker 1: of game stop um. Full disclosure. I started my career 1437 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,439 Speaker 1: at CNBC in television and in business television. I have 1438 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,000 Speaker 1: a lot of great friends there. Jim Kramer is one 1439 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,080 Speaker 1: of them. But the reason that I wanted Jim Kramer 1440 01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,040 Speaker 1: to be a part of our conversation for for this 1441 01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,600 Speaker 1: story is because he has a front row seat. The 1442 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,160 Speaker 1: people who watch Mad Money on a regular basis are 1443 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,200 Speaker 1: many of the people who are investing in individual stocks. 1444 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,520 Speaker 1: They're looking for that leg up, They're looking for that information, 1445 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,639 Speaker 1: and I think it's really important to keep in mind, 1446 01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,200 Speaker 1: and I think this story is is illustrative of that. 1447 01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Is you know, there's two sides to every position in 1448 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,360 Speaker 1: the market. There has to be a buyer or if 1449 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,040 Speaker 1: there has to be a seller in order for there 1450 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,599 Speaker 1: to be a buyer. And I think that's what's so important, 1451 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,960 Speaker 1: is to at least know what you're walking into. So 1452 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,559 Speaker 1: if you're gonna put money into something and it's an 1453 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,800 Speaker 1: individual stock, you have to be okay with the possibility 1454 01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,840 Speaker 1: that you could lose money. Now, maybe all the statistics, 1455 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,200 Speaker 1: all the data that you're reading is telling you, you 1456 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,120 Speaker 1: know what, there's more upside than there's downside. Obviously you 1457 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,519 Speaker 1: you probably have to think that way in order to 1458 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,519 Speaker 1: put money in, but the reality is there can always 1459 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,120 Speaker 1: be downside. And when you use leverage, which is what 1460 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people are now doing, it's always been 1461 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,320 Speaker 1: the thing that hedge funds and the sort of big 1462 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,360 Speaker 1: money on Wall Street is always using debt. It's called 1463 01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 1: leverage to bolster their trades. So if I believe really 1464 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,080 Speaker 1: heavily in something, I can borrow. If I'm a hedge fund, 1465 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,040 Speaker 1: I can borrow from a bank more money to put 1466 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,680 Speaker 1: into that individual stock, and that can help me make 1467 01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,080 Speaker 1: money if the stock goes up, But of course I 1468 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,200 Speaker 1: lose even more money if the stock goes down. And 1469 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,320 Speaker 1: what's really important to keep in mind here is if 1470 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,080 Speaker 1: you're an individual investor and you're using an app, then yes, 1471 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,000 Speaker 1: you some of these new apps like robin Hood will 1472 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,040 Speaker 1: give you if you meet certain criteria, they will give 1473 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,600 Speaker 1: you access to that leverage. But it's so important to 1474 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,240 Speaker 1: remember that if you're using that leverage and the stock 1475 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,080 Speaker 1: goes down, you've not only lost the money that you 1476 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,519 Speaker 1: put in, but you're actually out even more money because 1477 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: you're using debt to pay for your position. Well, um, 1478 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,320 Speaker 1: First of all, again, like I said at the early 1479 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,240 Speaker 1: part of our interview, fantastic special kept me in And 1480 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,680 Speaker 1: this is why I was fantastic, because you brought in 1481 01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,120 Speaker 1: individuals that you can share their little storyline arts about. 1482 01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, the young African American born who I did love, 1483 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,519 Speaker 1: the death, the anonymous investing with it, with the dog. 1484 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,680 Speaker 1: You know the dog. We can see the dog, but 1485 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,720 Speaker 1: we couldn't see him, Okay, so we gotta figure out 1486 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,160 Speaker 1: we know who you are, okay. And then then you 1487 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,559 Speaker 1: had the the the guy with the with the family, 1488 01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,040 Speaker 1: and then the the young lady who had the Hispanic guy, 1489 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,400 Speaker 1: and then uh with the new new child, and then 1490 01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,640 Speaker 1: you and then you have the uh young lady with 1491 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,439 Speaker 1: the grandma with the mom who's telling them to invest 1492 01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,840 Speaker 1: to you know, why did you choose these? First of all, 1493 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,560 Speaker 1: they're perfect perfect By the way, I'm just asking you 1494 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,880 Speaker 1: from a from a producers storytelling standpoint. They work fantastic. 1495 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,000 Speaker 1: Why did you choose them to make such a great 1496 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,519 Speaker 1: ABC News original? Thank you? Um, First, I really do 1497 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,360 Speaker 1: appreciate your your interest in the conversation and the and 1498 01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,439 Speaker 1: the documentary. So We spent a lot of time looking 1499 01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,240 Speaker 1: at the reddit boards, so again just a little bit 1500 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,880 Speaker 1: of background for people. A lot of these individual investors 1501 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,920 Speaker 1: who drove up the price of game Stop, We're spending 1502 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,960 Speaker 1: time on on Reddit having conversations. Now a lot of 1503 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 1: people you don't have to use your real name on Reddit, 1504 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,679 Speaker 1: so it was a lot of trial and error. People 1505 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,479 Speaker 1: at blah blah, whatever their name is on Reddit. We 1506 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,960 Speaker 1: would reach out and say, Hey, I'm with ABC News, 1507 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,679 Speaker 1: I'm working on this documentary. Do you have any interest 1508 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,680 Speaker 1: in participating. I'd love to get to know more of 1509 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,280 Speaker 1: your story. So of the people that you saw on camera, 1510 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,560 Speaker 1: probably about ten people who had to do with, you know, 1511 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:33,200 Speaker 1: did training of game stuff. We spoke to truly dozens more. 1512 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,439 Speaker 1: Um and I just was on the phone constantly over 1513 01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,479 Speaker 1: that time and over email, constantly reaching out to people. 1514 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,760 Speaker 1: And what was really important to me is that our 1515 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,559 Speaker 1: audience got a true representation of the type of people 1516 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,960 Speaker 1: and hear the back stories of all the different people 1517 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,080 Speaker 1: who invested in game stuff. And that's really you know, 1518 01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,160 Speaker 1: one of the things again that attracted me to this 1519 01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,280 Speaker 1: was how widespread it was. It wasn't just one particular 1520 01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,200 Speaker 1: group of people. People from all different walks of life 1521 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,720 Speaker 1: got interested. And I'm so glad that Jayden Carr, the 1522 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,200 Speaker 1: ten year old from San Antonio, struck you. We found 1523 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,920 Speaker 1: Jaden because he invested in game Stop thanks to his mom. 1524 01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,160 Speaker 1: His mom wanted to teach him about investing in stock, 1525 01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,960 Speaker 1: and so for his birthday or rather, excuse me for 1526 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:23,320 Speaker 1: kwanza Um, she purchased a few shares of game Stop 1527 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,639 Speaker 1: for him so that he could see what it meant 1528 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,680 Speaker 1: to invest in the market. And she didn't do it 1529 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,679 Speaker 1: in the midst of hysteria and when everyone was talking 1530 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,880 Speaker 1: about game Stop. She did it because he liked game 1531 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,560 Speaker 1: stock and he shops at game Stop, and there's this 1532 01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,439 Speaker 1: old saying invest in what you know, and that was 1533 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,280 Speaker 1: part of what made her think about game stuff for him, 1534 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,439 Speaker 1: because he loves going to game stuff. So teach him 1535 01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,519 Speaker 1: about investing through something that he loves. And I think 1536 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,559 Speaker 1: that's really as a parent, Um, I'm a parent myself. 1537 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,680 Speaker 1: My daughter is not quite old enough to be an 1538 01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,479 Speaker 1: investor yet she's too I don't know that she would 1539 01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,400 Speaker 1: understand it if I tried to teach you right now, 1540 01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,639 Speaker 1: but I love that. I think that's really a great 1541 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,719 Speaker 1: way to teach your children about investing, starting with something 1542 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:09,559 Speaker 1: they know and understand absolutely. The thing about the event 1543 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,240 Speaker 1: is that I can you know, it's just like there's 1544 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,240 Speaker 1: golden them their heels, you know, people ran for the gold. 1545 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,040 Speaker 1: They feel like a gold rush. It felt so like 1546 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,240 Speaker 1: different times in life. We see this the golden them 1547 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,320 Speaker 1: their heels. People rushed to the California and and and 1548 01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,559 Speaker 1: they've risched their lives by going through dangerous Indian territory. 1549 01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,880 Speaker 1: So they might not risk money, but they risk their 1550 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,240 Speaker 1: lives to try to seek that fortune. So that was 1551 01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,200 Speaker 1: the kind of like a period there and then and 1552 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,160 Speaker 1: then when you see in like in the eighties and 1553 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,639 Speaker 1: naming for the big bubble bursts in two thousand and seven, 1554 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,760 Speaker 1: I was kind of there, you know, because that's when 1555 01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,960 Speaker 1: television like the c NBCs came out and started showing 1556 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,120 Speaker 1: you people talk about stock and talking about how you 1557 01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,400 Speaker 1: can advance in different ways. And that's when I got 1558 01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,439 Speaker 1: introduced as an African American to that. I remember and 1559 01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey used to always act like we were stock experts. 1560 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,559 Speaker 1: We said around talking, well, we traded over, we traded 1561 01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,680 Speaker 1: didn't know nothing, you know, even though we were we 1562 01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,800 Speaker 1: were we were one. I feel that this show, in 1563 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,000 Speaker 1: your documentary or your news original special tales about we 1564 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:11,000 Speaker 1: were just everyday people. We gathered enough information to buy 1565 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,760 Speaker 1: certain things based on a hunch and the belief that 1566 01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,000 Speaker 1: this will return on our investment. And that's what this showed. 1567 01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,599 Speaker 1: If some people lost every day people, some people got 1568 01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,400 Speaker 1: out early everyday people, and some people still hung in there. 1569 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,000 Speaker 1: And I thought that was really the kind of like 1570 01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,720 Speaker 1: in results of your documentary, is that it was a 1571 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,720 Speaker 1: special about individuals who make their own decisions. They all 1572 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,400 Speaker 1: got in for different reasons, Rebecca, they all got excited 1573 01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,160 Speaker 1: for different reasons. In the end, when they came down 1574 01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,479 Speaker 1: to either stay pull the plug, they all did it 1575 01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,080 Speaker 1: for different reasons. That really had to be a strong 1576 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:51,280 Speaker 1: emotional end to well well documented special. M I'm glad 1577 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,000 Speaker 1: you thought that, and you know, to your point earlier, 1578 01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,000 Speaker 1: it's such a good point. We see these things happening 1579 01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,960 Speaker 1: over and over again. When when the game stop story 1580 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,720 Speaker 1: he first really took took on a life of its own. 1581 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,960 Speaker 1: In in sort of mid to late January, I was 1582 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:12,000 Speaker 1: remembering the times during the dot com bubble in two 1583 01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,680 Speaker 1: thousand one, when all these tech companies were coming out 1584 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,120 Speaker 1: and even though some of the technology didn't exist that 1585 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,080 Speaker 1: exists today. For example, robin Hood the app didn't exist 1586 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:25,240 Speaker 1: back then. There were the early days of internet chat rooms. 1587 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,560 Speaker 1: There were the early days of people hyping, pumping, and 1588 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,719 Speaker 1: dumping individual stocks. So as much as things change because 1589 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,320 Speaker 1: the technology might be new or the modes of communication 1590 01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,960 Speaker 1: might be evolved, this is something that does repeat itself 1591 01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,360 Speaker 1: time and time again throughout history. You know. Interesting that 1592 01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,320 Speaker 1: the robin Hood, you know, had the great name rob 1593 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,240 Speaker 1: from the rich geared to the poor. So that's why 1594 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,280 Speaker 1: it was really a good media app and to really 1595 01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,519 Speaker 1: become the center of the conversation. But when I but 1596 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,320 Speaker 1: they just they changed the rules right in midstream, you know, 1597 01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,439 Speaker 1: And and companies do that all the time. It's like, 1598 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,040 Speaker 1: for since you noticed when these uh gift cards, the 1599 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,200 Speaker 1: gift cards used to be you could keep them forever, 1600 01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,920 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they came and change rules. 1601 01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,000 Speaker 1: So you know something, if you don't spend that gift 1602 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,960 Speaker 1: card in a year, it's not going to be any 1603 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,160 Speaker 1: good anymore. Because they came back to what what burdened 1604 01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,760 Speaker 1: down or came to be the collapse of what robin 1605 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,840 Speaker 1: Hood had to do on that date and stop buying. 1606 01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,400 Speaker 1: Is that if you don't have the money, if you 1607 01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,400 Speaker 1: have all these gift cards out there, you've got to 1608 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,240 Speaker 1: have capital to cover if one day somebody's decided to 1609 01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,280 Speaker 1: show up and buy that gift and use that gift card. 1610 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,080 Speaker 1: And so they decided to change the rules, all of them, 1611 01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,160 Speaker 1: change the rules, the saying that we're gonna limit the 1612 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,599 Speaker 1: amount of time you have to buy this card, otherwise 1613 01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,479 Speaker 1: it's gonna become invalid. And so that's what really wore 1614 01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,120 Speaker 1: down the whole principle of robin Hood. They didn't think 1615 01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,920 Speaker 1: about how big they could get and if they got 1616 01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,360 Speaker 1: that big, what's our answer. The answer would just say 1617 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:53,439 Speaker 1: stop buying, right, And they really became the poster child 1618 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,320 Speaker 1: too for all of the anger and outrage, even though 1619 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,880 Speaker 1: other brokerages made the same choice, it was because of 1620 01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,080 Speaker 1: that name, robin Hood, and the promise that they had 1621 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,640 Speaker 1: made to democratize trading. And if you're saying you're going 1622 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,519 Speaker 1: to democratize trading, but at the same time that, for example, 1623 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,160 Speaker 1: a large hedge fund can do something different because they 1624 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,720 Speaker 1: don't rely on your app and your customer can't do 1625 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,759 Speaker 1: that thing anymore, it does create a lot of problems, 1626 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,880 Speaker 1: and now they're in this stage of rebuilding that trust. 1627 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,080 Speaker 1: They still have millions of users, and in fact, their 1628 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,280 Speaker 1: user base UM based on the data that we've seen 1629 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,240 Speaker 1: at ABC News, has grown throughout this whole thing. And 1630 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,640 Speaker 1: what's really interesting to me is if you look at 1631 01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,519 Speaker 1: what's happened both to online trading as well as even 1632 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,680 Speaker 1: game Stop as a name, all the attention that this 1633 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,920 Speaker 1: story brought good and bad, very likely will ultimately result 1634 01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,719 Speaker 1: in good things for all of these companies. Game Stop 1635 01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,840 Speaker 1: was a company at the early days of this year 1636 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,360 Speaker 1: that many people had largely written off. It was a 1637 01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,040 Speaker 1: company that had been closing stores that a lot of 1638 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,080 Speaker 1: really you know, smart people assumed was just going to 1639 01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,519 Speaker 1: go out of business. This gave it a new life 1640 01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,439 Speaker 1: and now they're in the process of hiring new people. 1641 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,080 Speaker 1: They're in the process of reimagining what the brand will 1642 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,000 Speaker 1: be in rebuilding, and very likely, if we go back 1643 01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,680 Speaker 1: in history five years from now, people will say this 1644 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,719 Speaker 1: moment and all everything that this moment brought helped game 1645 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,960 Speaker 1: Stop have a second life. UM And I think the 1646 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,680 Speaker 1: pandemic people being at home looking for things that I 1647 01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,000 Speaker 1: talked to a couple of guys who told me that 1648 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,559 Speaker 1: investing in game stuff was like their trip to Las 1649 01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,559 Speaker 1: Vegas when they were stuck not able to leave the house. 1650 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:40,639 Speaker 1: Wow again, UH an amazing special on the Hulu. It's 1651 01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:45,120 Speaker 1: an ABC News original. It's UH hosted by and presented 1652 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,360 Speaker 1: by Rebecca Jovis. You're amazing. I'm a big fan of yours. 1653 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,439 Speaker 1: I definitely want to bring you back on the show 1654 01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,439 Speaker 1: to talk about no Limits were rebect on your podcast. 1655 01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,000 Speaker 1: It features game changing women because I have six sisters, 1656 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,240 Speaker 1: so I always try to promote and have a single daughter, 1657 01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,680 Speaker 1: so I always try to promote women and put them 1658 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,240 Speaker 1: out there. And also Elizabeth Homes, we got to talk 1659 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,760 Speaker 1: about her. Her story is amazing, amazing. But again, I 1660 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,559 Speaker 1: wanted to bring you on this talk about this game 1661 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,560 Speaker 1: stop because first of all, I finally got educated on 1662 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,080 Speaker 1: it because of your amazing specialists on Hulu. Check it 1663 01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:15,920 Speaker 1: out right now in streams twenty four hours a day. 1664 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,760 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Rebecca, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations. Sean, 1665 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,479 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate your interest in 1666 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,439 Speaker 1: the great conversation. I'll come back any time. This was fun. 1667 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. We will be right back with more money 1668 01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,599 Speaker 1: Making conversations with your host Rashwan McDonald. 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I am Rashan McDonald to host 1695 01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,280 Speaker 1: of Money Making Conversations dot com. The Cafe Marca Swag 1696 01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,559 Speaker 1: Award is a celebration of black men who are making 1697 01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,519 Speaker 1: a difference in our community by empowering others to reach 1698 01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:17,160 Speaker 1: their life goals. Fromcifically, there's businessmen, activists, celebrities and everyday Dad's. 1699 01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,960 Speaker 1: The Cafe Marka Swag Award winned this week is James Brunner. 1700 01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,160 Speaker 1: James is the senior vice president of Trade show Operations, 1701 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,639 Speaker 1: director of Technology, and part owner of the multimillion dollar 1702 01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,400 Speaker 1: family owned corporation Brunner Brothers, Inc. 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Source of 1711 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,240 Speaker 1: this PTE material, The Cafe Marca Swag Award represents men 1712 01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,400 Speaker 1: who have strength, who's with is assertive, and who is 1713 01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,280 Speaker 1: genuine in their spirit. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations 1714 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:09,559 Speaker 1: with your host, Rashaan McDonald. My next guest is Jennifer Barrett. 1715 01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,120 Speaker 1: She's the Chief education Officer at Acorns, a financial wellness 1716 01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,599 Speaker 1: app with more than nine point five million users. She's 1717 01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,160 Speaker 1: a contributor for Forbes, and she has also written about 1718 01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,680 Speaker 1: money for publications such as The New York Times, to 1719 01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,640 Speaker 1: Washington Post, Worth Money and News with where she was 1720 01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,000 Speaker 1: a staff writer and editor. She's on the show to 1721 01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,880 Speaker 1: talk about her new book, Think Like a bread Winner, 1722 01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,240 Speaker 1: Think Like a bread Winner. Of the book everyone can 1723 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,200 Speaker 1: learn from I did, and but it's geared towards women because, 1724 01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,360 Speaker 1: according to Jennifer, women that have been culturally conditioned not 1725 01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,360 Speaker 1: to think like bread winners. This book truly is about 1726 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,800 Speaker 1: being financially independent. Please working to money making conversation. I'm 1727 01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,960 Speaker 1: gonna call a good friend because before this interview, we're 1728 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,360 Speaker 1: just talking and talking. They're talking, Jennifer Barrett. How you doing, Jennifer, 1729 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,439 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me. I was, 1730 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,439 Speaker 1: you know, Jennifer. Uh, we were just talking and talking, 1731 01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,320 Speaker 1: and I just feel really a certain kinship for you. 1732 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,760 Speaker 1: Is that just a natural party of personality that people 1733 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:08,000 Speaker 1: just really uh gravitate to you. I don't know that's 1734 01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't know one's ever asked me that, but thank 1735 01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,559 Speaker 1: you for that. I do, you know, as a journalist 1736 01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,720 Speaker 1: for many years, and um, so I think I'm used 1737 01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,439 Speaker 1: to I like to make people comfortable. Well, I really 1738 01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,760 Speaker 1: am genuinely interested in everyone I meet, So I think 1739 01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,280 Speaker 1: that that probably comes across and meet me. Well you 1740 01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,720 Speaker 1: you you definitely are making me comfortable. I read your 1741 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,120 Speaker 1: book and usually just how I do that. I read 1742 01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,800 Speaker 1: the book always the day of the interview. That's where 1743 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,920 Speaker 1: the courtions stay very fresh, very topical. I don't feel 1744 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,880 Speaker 1: like I'm reaching for any information. Plus, I also zero 1745 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,479 Speaker 1: in and what really attracts me to the book. But 1746 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,719 Speaker 1: before we get into the book, I've read your title 1747 01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:48,719 Speaker 1: chief Education Officer at a corn nine point five million users. 1748 01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,439 Speaker 1: Please explain to us what exactly is a COHNS and 1749 01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,080 Speaker 1: what exactly is your role as a chief education officer. 1750 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,920 Speaker 1: Sure well, I joined a little over five years ago, 1751 01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,160 Speaker 1: almost five and off actually now. And one of the 1752 01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:03,960 Speaker 1: things that drew me to the company as I had 1753 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,439 Speaker 1: been in financial journalists journalism for years before they and 1754 01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,000 Speaker 1: I sort of felt like we had been writing the 1755 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,000 Speaker 1: same headline so often about how little people save and 1756 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,040 Speaker 1: how they're not prepared to cover unexpected expenses. And then 1757 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,840 Speaker 1: we're on the brink of this retirement crisis, and I 1758 01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,200 Speaker 1: was beginning to wonder if getting information out alone was 1759 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,599 Speaker 1: enough inspiration information, if that was really enough to change 1760 01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:30,519 Speaker 1: people's behaviors. Um and then I my team, actually I 1761 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,320 Speaker 1: was a personal finance editor at CNBC, and my team 1762 01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,000 Speaker 1: had written a lot about these new fintech apps and 1763 01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that really attracted me to Acorns 1764 01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,400 Speaker 1: was that it was such a simple but brilliant solution 1765 01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,920 Speaker 1: to a real barrier for so many Americans when it 1766 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,400 Speaker 1: comes to investing. And that was the feature where we 1767 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,400 Speaker 1: round up your purchases and literally investor spare change. And 1768 01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,400 Speaker 1: I think what that does immediately is it removes so 1769 01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,479 Speaker 1: much of the fear that we have around investing, so 1770 01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,400 Speaker 1: much of these beliefs we had that you have to 1771 01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of money in order to invest all 1772 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,240 Speaker 1: of these things, um and so that's really what drew 1773 01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,640 Speaker 1: me to the company. And then I joined in a 1774 01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,400 Speaker 1: senior VP role, our VP role and senior VP and 1775 01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,760 Speaker 1: then was promoted into the Chief Education Officer role. And 1776 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,200 Speaker 1: that essentially means I spend most of my time thinking 1777 01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:21,280 Speaker 1: about how to promote financial literacy and to better educate 1778 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,479 Speaker 1: not only our users and we have around five million 1779 01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,400 Speaker 1: now as you mentioned, but also everyone you know, really 1780 01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,120 Speaker 1: thinking about how we can promote financial literacy in this 1781 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,479 Speaker 1: country and just close that gap, close the wealth gap, 1782 01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,439 Speaker 1: closed the financial literacy gap, so that everyone has the 1783 01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to live the life that they want. Well, we 1784 01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,000 Speaker 1: came off a really strange year in people standing in 1785 01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,280 Speaker 1: line for food and unemployment and a record rate, had 1786 01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,360 Speaker 1: this country shut down for two months, and then we 1787 01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,479 Speaker 1: had the highest increase of billionaires in the world and 1788 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:58,040 Speaker 1: stock market set records during this summer um nash that 1789 01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,160 Speaker 1: crossed over a number and it never crawled over into history. 1790 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Now being U the chief education offers at acorns and 1791 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,080 Speaker 1: financial fintan app fintech app, explain it to me, please, hey, 1792 01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,960 Speaker 1: my listeners and viewers, please. I mean, the simplest way 1793 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,320 Speaker 1: to look at it is that the shareholder class got 1794 01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:20,320 Speaker 1: richer and the working class did not. For the most parts. 1795 01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,000 Speaker 1: UM So, people who were more dependent on a paycheck 1796 01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:27,320 Speaker 1: struggle more, and people who were more dependent on their investments, 1797 01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:30,360 Speaker 1: particularly in the stock market UM did quite well because, 1798 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:35,200 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the stock market has hit record highs UM. Surprisingly. 1799 01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm lest really given that we were in a recession 1800 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,519 Speaker 1: last year and in a global pandemic. UM. But that's 1801 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,040 Speaker 1: really the simplest way to look at it, and I 1802 01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,560 Speaker 1: think one of the I mean, there are so so 1803 01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:46,840 Speaker 1: much that we can learn from this pandemic. But one 1804 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,800 Speaker 1: of the big lessons there is just the importance of 1805 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,439 Speaker 1: getting in the game, you know, UM, and not depending 1806 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,320 Speaker 1: solely on a paycheck, but really starting to use those 1807 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,880 Speaker 1: paychecks to build wealth, even if it's five ten, five 1808 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,360 Speaker 1: in twenty, you know, fifty dollars a month. Really getting 1809 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,479 Speaker 1: in the habit of taking some money and starting to 1810 01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,480 Speaker 1: build that wealth so that you're less dependent on paychecks, 1811 01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,320 Speaker 1: and then of course making sure that you're saving some money, 1812 01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, especially during good times, because I think what 1813 01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,640 Speaker 1: happens in this country is that if you look at 1814 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,120 Speaker 1: the savings rates, when things are good, the savings rate 1815 01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,560 Speaker 1: goes down. And it's almost as if we think, like 1816 01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,880 Speaker 1: the good days will just keep happening. But that is 1817 01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,200 Speaker 1: exactly the time when you want to be putting more 1818 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,800 Speaker 1: money into savings and investing because you know, maybe not 1819 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,680 Speaker 1: a pandemic. I hope we never have to deal with 1820 01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,400 Speaker 1: that again, but you know, recessions happen. You know, there 1821 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,240 Speaker 1: are the economy goes in cycles, and so during the 1822 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,439 Speaker 1: good times you want to be preparing yourself so that 1823 01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,040 Speaker 1: you can weather the bad times too. And I think 1824 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,439 Speaker 1: that was a big lesson of this pandemic too. Well 1825 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,120 Speaker 1: you think about it, I'm doing a kind of a 1826 01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,320 Speaker 1: little interesting way of getting into your book, because that's 1827 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,920 Speaker 1: what your book is about. If you're if you're running, 1828 01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,920 Speaker 1: if you if you're your ears are bleeding talking about 1829 01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,479 Speaker 1: the stock market, your ears are bleeding talking about career 1830 01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,200 Speaker 1: options and and that diversifying your opportunity to be successful. 1831 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,439 Speaker 1: Then that's what this book is all about. This is 1832 01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,479 Speaker 1: because about stepping out of your comfort zone into a 1833 01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:11,240 Speaker 1: zone that could create basically financial independence. And it's recently 1834 01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:13,639 Speaker 1: I was, I finally sat down and you know, I've 1835 01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:18,080 Speaker 1: always just given my money to my my, my stock investor. 1836 01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,360 Speaker 1: He's putting in the way. You know, we have the 1837 01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,640 Speaker 1: conservative fund and we have the risky for us to 1838 01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,560 Speaker 1: stop top. I want to invest in uh uh Amazone. 1839 01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,000 Speaker 1: I want to invest in Apple. I want to invest 1840 01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,400 Speaker 1: that's excuse me, it's my money. I want to invest 1841 01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,560 Speaker 1: in I said, I said, because I'm tired of you 1842 01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:35,920 Speaker 1: guys playing around with my world. So I tried to 1843 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,479 Speaker 1: take control of what I feel a direction of where 1844 01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:41,120 Speaker 1: I want. I got my Disney stock, I got my 1845 01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,640 Speaker 1: black Stone Black black Rock stock. So and I got 1846 01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,040 Speaker 1: a little Chevron and so I di first, got me 1847 01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:52,320 Speaker 1: a little uh City bank and Visa some financial financial stock. 1848 01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,880 Speaker 1: So so that's really what we're talking about. When this book, 1849 01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,400 Speaker 1: and it's a book of my awakening, was I came 1850 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,320 Speaker 1: out of the pandanga. I had this man money sitting 1851 01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,960 Speaker 1: over there, and I had a guy just telling me 1852 01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,240 Speaker 1: what to do. I'm just saying that guy could be 1853 01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,400 Speaker 1: a female too, who's helping you stop. And basically that's 1854 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,680 Speaker 1: what Think Like a bread Winner is all about. We 1855 01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:13,920 Speaker 1: go through life, whether you're male or female in this 1856 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,320 Speaker 1: particular case is about females. And guess when we settled, 1857 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,560 Speaker 1: we're kind of singled for what we assume is the 1858 01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:25,439 Speaker 1: life we're supposed to lead. And unfortunately, when the curve hits, 1859 01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:29,080 Speaker 1: or the bumping the role hits, the woman is not prepared. 1860 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,920 Speaker 1: And you said that to yourself. You didn't hit a 1861 01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,680 Speaker 1: bump in the row, but you had a what they say, 1862 01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:40,040 Speaker 1: a revelation. You know, this is this apartment that you 1863 01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,000 Speaker 1: was in was closing in on you when at one 1864 01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,120 Speaker 1: time you thought it was it was all cool. You 1865 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,280 Speaker 1: thought you were said, talk about that initial journey into 1866 01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,960 Speaker 1: your revelation, which has led to you be a success 1867 01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,720 Speaker 1: story in the financial market but also the right This 1868 01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:58,320 Speaker 1: brilliant book called Think Like a bread Winner. Thank you. Yes, 1869 01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,920 Speaker 1: I had my own LAKA client think looking back, I 1870 01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,920 Speaker 1: was really fortunate because um I had a wake up 1871 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:08,120 Speaker 1: call early in my life, early in my parenthood, and 1872 01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,519 Speaker 1: um so I was able to make some changes and 1873 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,960 Speaker 1: get on the right course. And I wasn't faced with, 1874 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, a really terrible situation. It was just a 1875 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,320 Speaker 1: situation where my husband and I were in a small, 1876 01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,280 Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment with a toddler who was outgrowing his 1877 01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,640 Speaker 1: crib when he was three ft from the bed, and 1878 01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,559 Speaker 1: I really hadn't been paying attention to where we were. 1879 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,960 Speaker 1: I was just sort of um comfortable. I was a 1880 01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,920 Speaker 1: new mom. I was really focused on our baby. And 1881 01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:32,840 Speaker 1: one night I was up with him and I was 1882 01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,120 Speaker 1: pacing back and forth in our bedroom. I think any 1883 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:36,760 Speaker 1: parent can relate to this, you know, trying to get 1884 01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,080 Speaker 1: him back to sleep. And I looked around and it 1885 01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:43,960 Speaker 1: really hit me. We're in an unsustainable situation. And you know, 1886 01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,960 Speaker 1: all my life I had wanted kids, you know, I 1887 01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,639 Speaker 1: really deeply wanted a second child. We I loved where 1888 01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,120 Speaker 1: we lived in Brooklyn. I loved our neighborhood. We had 1889 01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,599 Speaker 1: this network and friends, and I didn't want to leave, 1890 01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,760 Speaker 1: and we wanted a place of our own. And I 1891 01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,439 Speaker 1: realized in that moll want that even though I thought 1892 01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:03,320 Speaker 1: I'd been doing a lot right, like I was covering 1893 01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,040 Speaker 1: half the bills, I had a little four one K 1894 01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,360 Speaker 1: had a little bit of say things that I really 1895 01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,280 Speaker 1: wasn't making the kinds of money, choices that would ensure 1896 01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,799 Speaker 1: that we could afford these things that were so important 1897 01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:18,160 Speaker 1: to me. And I asked myself, why had I not 1898 01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,760 Speaker 1: been making those those choices, taking that action with my money? 1899 01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,120 Speaker 1: And I realized that, deep down, I had been depending 1900 01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,280 Speaker 1: on my husband to do all the financial planning for 1901 01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,360 Speaker 1: our future because that's how I'd grown up. My dad 1902 01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,840 Speaker 1: had been the main or or sold breadwinner for most 1903 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,360 Speaker 1: of my childhood, and so I sort of grew up 1904 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,720 Speaker 1: subconsciously expecting to depend on my partner for a lot 1905 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,360 Speaker 1: of that. Um. So then I kind of asked myself, 1906 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, after realizing that, I sort of why was 1907 01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,080 Speaker 1: I thinking that? And then I asked, what if I 1908 01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:52,000 Speaker 1: had been raised instead to be the breadwinner? You know, 1909 01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,559 Speaker 1: what if I had grown up believing that I would 1910 01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,679 Speaker 1: be fully financially responsible for myself for life and probably 1911 01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,760 Speaker 1: a family too. Had that change the choices I made 1912 01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:05,519 Speaker 1: with my money? And the answer was a resounding yes. 1913 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,680 Speaker 1: And so then the question was, Okay, what do I 1914 01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,160 Speaker 1: do now? And that's really where it started. Well, the 1915 01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,400 Speaker 1: interesting thing about it is that that's why I say, 1916 01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to take any way if 1917 01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,439 Speaker 1: this is a brilliant book. But if you're a man, 1918 01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,840 Speaker 1: this happens to you. If you are a person who 1919 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,680 Speaker 1: was going through life. You know, here's just let me 1920 01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,479 Speaker 1: be an example. I went to went to college, I 1921 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,720 Speaker 1: got my degree in mathematics, my mind and sociology, went 1922 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,160 Speaker 1: to work for IBM, and you know, I'm thinking, this 1923 01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,800 Speaker 1: is my life, you know. And I eventually quit IBM 1924 01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,519 Speaker 1: and started a career as a stand up comedian, which 1925 01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:43,360 Speaker 1: led to a lot of other great things in my life. 1926 01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,719 Speaker 1: But I made that decision. You understand what I'm saying, Jennifer. 1927 01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,719 Speaker 1: I made that decision. And so this book is about 1928 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,400 Speaker 1: telling you don't be the person with the decision is 1929 01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,439 Speaker 1: being made for you. And that's what happens so much 1930 01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,080 Speaker 1: in the bread when the conversation that you're talking about, 1931 01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,760 Speaker 1: I decided to leave ib So it means that I 1932 01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,240 Speaker 1: planned not exit. I had some money saved, not what 1933 01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,519 Speaker 1: enough money, by the way, but I had some money 1934 01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,080 Speaker 1: saved because I planned I was going to be a 1935 01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:11,960 Speaker 1: success in your entertainment. So this is about thinking out 1936 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,680 Speaker 1: of the box about yourself. And in some words, a 1937 01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,080 Speaker 1: lot of people use this word wrong incorrectly selfish, because 1938 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,240 Speaker 1: I think at some point, you have to think about yourself, 1939 01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,479 Speaker 1: talk about that whole process of thinking about yourself and 1940 01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,200 Speaker 1: outside of the revelation, because you have to be you 1941 01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,760 Speaker 1: have to be selfish. Well, you have to take care 1942 01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,479 Speaker 1: of yourself, and I don't. I don't necessarily and I 1943 01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,360 Speaker 1: know some people do say that's being selfish, but you 1944 01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,720 Speaker 1: really can't take care of anybody else unless you're taking 1945 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:39,720 Speaker 1: care of yourself. Um, and so I don't think of 1946 01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,760 Speaker 1: it as being selfish. I think I'm not in a 1947 01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,040 Speaker 1: position to really care for my family if I'm not 1948 01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,760 Speaker 1: caring for myself, and that that is, you know, both 1949 01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,080 Speaker 1: the self care aspect of it, but also financially and really, 1950 01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, to your point, what this came down to 1951 01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,080 Speaker 1: is like people are in different situations, but what it 1952 01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,679 Speaker 1: came down to was that I was depending on someone 1953 01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,280 Speaker 1: else to make sure the future that I wanted. Howpend, 1954 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:05,000 Speaker 1: I was relinquishing that responsibility to someone else, and and 1955 01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:07,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to take back some of that control. I 1956 01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,360 Speaker 1: wanted to feel really secure that these things that were 1957 01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,519 Speaker 1: so important to me in my life came to pass. 1958 01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:17,080 Speaker 1: And that meant really confronting the underlying beliefs that had 1959 01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, informed the money choices that I've made, and 1960 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:23,040 Speaker 1: then confronting these these you know, money things in my mind, 1961 01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,040 Speaker 1: like and I and my good with money? Can I 1962 01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,439 Speaker 1: do this? And I and I am I capable of 1963 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,760 Speaker 1: earning more? All of these kind of fears come up 1964 01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,720 Speaker 1: to the surface when you start to say I am 1965 01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:35,639 Speaker 1: going to take financial responsibility for my life. I can 1966 01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:40,000 Speaker 1: do this right, because that gives you such tremendous agency 1967 01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,800 Speaker 1: over your life, and it is an incredible feeling. And 1968 01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:45,880 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people don't really get 1969 01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,120 Speaker 1: that message when they're growing up. It's not just women, 1970 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,320 Speaker 1: but I do think culturally we are not conditioning women 1971 01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,599 Speaker 1: to really think of themselves as wealth builders right, as 1972 01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,439 Speaker 1: being real providers, so being able to support the lives 1973 01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,240 Speaker 1: that they want and to support others lives too, and 1974 01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,240 Speaker 1: then really being given the tools to do that. And 1975 01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:07,000 Speaker 1: I think that's true of a lot of Americans. We 1976 01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:11,200 Speaker 1: do a really bad job of educating people about finances 1977 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,280 Speaker 1: in this country. We have a ways to go, but 1978 01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:16,160 Speaker 1: I do think that the message that women get, combined 1979 01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,320 Speaker 1: with that lack of education, can do more damage, you know, 1980 01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,960 Speaker 1: So I think we have a wider gap to close 1981 01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,519 Speaker 1: as women. And if you look, really, just step back 1982 01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,920 Speaker 1: and look at the data points there. Women really are 1983 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,400 Speaker 1: lagging men financially by almost any measure, and there's no 1984 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:34,400 Speaker 1: reason for that. There's really no reason for that anymore. Um. 1985 01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:37,519 Speaker 1: So it's this book is really about like removing those 1986 01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,320 Speaker 1: internal barriers and overcoming the external barriers so that you 1987 01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:45,240 Speaker 1: can reach your wealth building earning potential and have the 1988 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,960 Speaker 1: life that you really want. Well, you know the interesting 1989 01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:50,240 Speaker 1: thing about the book, I want to back up just 1990 01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, and because you're gonna bring race in 1991 01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,400 Speaker 1: just a little bit, it's just a positive version of life. Well, 1992 01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, you have black women and you have white women, 1993 01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:00,560 Speaker 1: and you mentioned something about black women. They were exposed 1994 01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:04,479 Speaker 1: to the uh the bread winner philosophy for decades. Explain 1995 01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,320 Speaker 1: about that, and then why why women have been been 1996 01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:14,080 Speaker 1: conceptualized by the Disney Prince's philosophy of living? Yeah, I think, um, 1997 01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:15,920 Speaker 1: and I talked about this in the preface, so I 1998 01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,559 Speaker 1: know that. Um, you know that the bread winning rates 1999 01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,600 Speaker 1: are much different depending on you know, different races and 2000 01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:27,080 Speaker 1: different communities. So we know that, for example, you know, 2001 01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:31,240 Speaker 1: right now, overall we have had this herodigm shift in 2002 01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,679 Speaker 1: the bread winning model overall, So in more than forty 2003 01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,160 Speaker 1: of households with kids under eighteen. Overall, women are now 2004 01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,200 Speaker 1: the main or soul bread winner. But if you look 2005 01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:42,960 Speaker 1: at the Latino community, if you look at the Black community, 2006 01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,160 Speaker 1: that has been the case for a long time, um, 2007 01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,639 Speaker 1: and the numbers are even higher. But what I'm really 2008 01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:49,640 Speaker 1: talking about in this book is something that's a lot 2009 01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:52,280 Speaker 1: more universal, which is, you know, even if you sort 2010 01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,479 Speaker 1: of expect, oh, I may end up kind of taking 2011 01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,680 Speaker 1: care of myself and taking care of my family, I 2012 01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,360 Speaker 1: don't feel like as a culture we are setting women 2013 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,679 Speaker 1: up or success in that role. So it really doesn't 2014 01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,920 Speaker 1: matter where you come from. What I tried to do 2015 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,360 Speaker 1: in this book was take the breadwinning lens and apply 2016 01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,200 Speaker 1: it to every aspect of your finances. So if you're 2017 01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,639 Speaker 1: really thinking, like what do I want in my life, 2018 01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,680 Speaker 1: and what are the choices I need to make with 2019 01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,400 Speaker 1: my money and my career or my job path to 2020 01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:22,120 Speaker 1: support that, and then applying that lens everywhere, you really 2021 01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:26,479 Speaker 1: start to see there's such a dichotomy between the messaging 2022 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,880 Speaker 1: that we're getting as women and what we really want 2023 01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:31,600 Speaker 1: to be doing if we want to be able to 2024 01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,240 Speaker 1: truly support ourselves. And that's everything from like credit, where 2025 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,880 Speaker 1: we're being marketed this message of like credit cards or 2026 01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:40,400 Speaker 1: a way to close the gap between this life that 2027 01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:42,920 Speaker 1: we can afford and the things that we want, And 2028 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:44,920 Speaker 1: that's not really it at all if you're looking at 2029 01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,240 Speaker 1: it as a bread runner and in the fullest sense 2030 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:50,560 Speaker 1: you're thinking, how do I build my credit so that 2031 01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,360 Speaker 1: one day I can buy a home? And you're using 2032 01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,280 Speaker 1: in that instance, you're leveraging credit to build wealth, because 2033 01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,800 Speaker 1: most Americans have most of their wealth tied up in 2034 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,280 Speaker 1: their homes, and if you can't buy a home, that 2035 01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,200 Speaker 1: really holds you back. So that's what I'm talking about. 2036 01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:08,720 Speaker 1: It's thinking. It's like, it's not just earning more, it's 2037 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:13,040 Speaker 1: really thinking more expensively about your capabilities and the possibilities 2038 01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:15,640 Speaker 1: for your life. Well, you know the interesting thing about you. 2039 01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:19,280 Speaker 1: But first of all, there's a fantastic job of laying 2040 01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,680 Speaker 1: out the blueprint of what you're trying to convey in 2041 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,599 Speaker 1: this and you do it very special with your interviews. 2042 01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,240 Speaker 1: And the reason I say it's very special with your 2043 01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,400 Speaker 1: interviews because you interview people to give examples. Because a 2044 01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,240 Speaker 1: lot of people, when you read a book like this, 2045 01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,160 Speaker 1: they'll say I can't relate or that's not me. Well, well, 2046 01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,479 Speaker 1: well I'm sorry. She interviewed enough of you means that 2047 01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you're gonna find yourself in this book. 2048 01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:42,559 Speaker 1: Talk about that journey of finding the the different people 2049 01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,720 Speaker 1: that you interviewed for the book and that they did. 2050 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,639 Speaker 1: What their takeaway? Did they learn something from the interview 2051 01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:49,880 Speaker 1: process that you brought to the table from there to 2052 01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,240 Speaker 1: the through the interview process you brought to the table 2053 01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:55,880 Speaker 1: for them? Sure? Um, well, I definitely learned something from 2054 01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:58,120 Speaker 1: every single person I interviewed. And I interviewed over a 2055 01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,920 Speaker 1: hundred women, and I intentionally tried to find women from 2056 01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,920 Speaker 1: a whole diverse range of backgrounds from all over the country, 2057 01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,040 Speaker 1: in a lot of different fields, making a lot of 2058 01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,760 Speaker 1: different incomes, so that we could be pretty representative. So 2059 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,519 Speaker 1: there are single parents, there are single women, there are 2060 01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:18,040 Speaker 1: same sex you know, heterosexual couples are really pretty wide range. Um, 2061 01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,840 Speaker 1: and I learned a lot from them, I really did. 2062 01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:24,519 Speaker 1: I learned a lot in every conversation. Um. And I 2063 01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,200 Speaker 1: would like to think that it's it was mutual too, 2064 01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,599 Speaker 1: because you know, I'd spend like anywhere from an hour 2065 01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,280 Speaker 1: to five hours with each of them, and sometimes I'd 2066 01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,240 Speaker 1: come back to them, like during the pandemic. I went 2067 01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,080 Speaker 1: back to a lot of them to see how they 2068 01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,720 Speaker 1: were doing, how things have changed, and really tried to 2069 01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,200 Speaker 1: incorporate that in the book as well. Um, but yeah, 2070 01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,439 Speaker 1: I think it's so important to have all these stories 2071 01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,000 Speaker 1: because I can only speak from my own experience, right, 2072 01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:50,280 Speaker 1: And look, I'm fortunate. I grew up in a middle class, 2073 01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,679 Speaker 1: suburban household. My parents were professors, you know, I had 2074 01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:55,680 Speaker 1: a lot of privilege growing up. And I wanted to 2075 01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,760 Speaker 1: make sure that it wasn't just my story that drove 2076 01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,160 Speaker 1: the book. I could talk about my own experience is 2077 01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:01,800 Speaker 1: but I really wanted to bring in a lot of 2078 01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:05,360 Speaker 1: different perspectives too. Well. That was important because again, like 2079 01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,360 Speaker 1: you said, you know my perspective, I come from inter city, 2080 01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,240 Speaker 1: six sisters, two brothers, fathers, and truck driver mom didn't work. 2081 01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,479 Speaker 1: That's a totally different experience. If I just wrote from 2082 01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:18,240 Speaker 1: that experience, and I could be very very global in 2083 01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:20,280 Speaker 1: my approach, well, this is what you gotta do to 2084 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,360 Speaker 1: be there. But when you brought into the examples, and 2085 01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,080 Speaker 1: some of them are very rememberable, I thought they the 2086 01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:28,439 Speaker 1: interview when you're the lady who was married to the 2087 01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,639 Speaker 1: guy who didn't want kids, and then she eventually left 2088 01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,800 Speaker 1: film and she had her kids. And that type of 2089 01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,320 Speaker 1: independence is happening every day nowadays, where if you try 2090 01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:40,760 Speaker 1: to do that the sixties seven day people would look 2091 01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,360 Speaker 1: down on you. But that level of independence for women 2092 01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:46,720 Speaker 1: allowing them to do what you're asking them to do 2093 01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,880 Speaker 1: in this book, to step forward, be yourself. You can't 2094 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,280 Speaker 1: be independent, and that's this is all about being independent 2095 01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:57,120 Speaker 1: and not being dependent. Correct totally. And I when I 2096 01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:58,880 Speaker 1: talked about my own story, one of the reasons I 2097 01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:00,640 Speaker 1: think I was so fortun in it is that as 2098 01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:05,040 Speaker 1: I started interviewing women, I heard incredible stories. People really 2099 01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,760 Speaker 1: opened up and they had suffered some really terrible things. 2100 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,519 Speaker 1: I one woman had been in an abusive relationship and 2101 01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,280 Speaker 1: didn't think she could afford to leave. That was a 2102 01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,240 Speaker 1: true story. And I heard stories like that, or I 2103 01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,439 Speaker 1: had stories of people who really wanted to have kids, 2104 01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:19,560 Speaker 1: didn't find a partner, hadn't saved up the money and 2105 01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:21,439 Speaker 1: panicked and didn't think they could afford to have a 2106 01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,680 Speaker 1: kid financially, and so they gave up something that was 2107 01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,960 Speaker 1: incredibly important to them. So I think about, you know, 2108 01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,920 Speaker 1: being stuck in a toxic environment, being stuck in an 2109 01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:33,200 Speaker 1: abusive relationship, you know, having to feel like you have 2110 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,880 Speaker 1: to give up something that's so important to you because 2111 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:38,719 Speaker 1: you didn't financially plan for it, because you don't have savings, 2112 01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:40,920 Speaker 1: because you were so dependent on your partner or your 2113 01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,040 Speaker 1: paycheck that you feel like you have no choices. I 2114 01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:46,559 Speaker 1: don't want any woman to be in that situation. I mean, 2115 01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:49,559 Speaker 1: that's what really drives me because as I started doing 2116 01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,920 Speaker 1: these interviews, I realized just how lucky I was that 2117 01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:55,120 Speaker 1: I wasn't in that kind of a situation when I 2118 01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:57,720 Speaker 1: have my wake up call. And now I looked back, 2119 01:49:57,880 --> 01:49:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, I talked in the savings chapter about I 2120 01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:01,640 Speaker 1: looked back at some of the experiences I've had in 2121 01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,479 Speaker 1: my career. I mean, there, I've had some serious sexual 2122 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,280 Speaker 1: harassment experiences early in my career, and I think I 2123 01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,719 Speaker 1: put up with some things because I didn't have the savings. 2124 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,000 Speaker 1: And in other cases, I had the safety net of 2125 01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,479 Speaker 1: my parents or I had savings, and I didn't put 2126 01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,559 Speaker 1: up with things Like I was able to to walk 2127 01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,679 Speaker 1: out of a job after a particularly bad incident because 2128 01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:22,479 Speaker 1: I had my parents, because I had a little bit 2129 01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,120 Speaker 1: of savings. Imagine if I hadn't you know, and that's 2130 01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,280 Speaker 1: what I started to think about, is like, imagine, if 2131 01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:29,839 Speaker 1: you are so dependent on your paycheck or a partner 2132 01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:34,240 Speaker 1: that you can't afford to leave. That is a terrible situation. 2133 01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,680 Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to ever be in that situation. 2134 01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,320 Speaker 1: So that's part of this book too, is really just like, 2135 01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, preparing yourself not only to support the life 2136 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,559 Speaker 1: you want, but ensuring you're never stuck in a situation 2137 01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:48,720 Speaker 1: that you don't want. Well, you know. More importantly, I'm 2138 01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:51,519 Speaker 1: talking to Jennifer Barrett. He's the author of this wonderful book, 2139 01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:54,000 Speaker 1: Think Like a Breadwinner, and it's an eye open it 2140 01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:55,720 Speaker 1: for me as a male. It's a book this uh, 2141 01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,360 Speaker 1: this geared toward women, a female point of view, a 2142 01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:01,479 Speaker 1: wake up call for women to understand how they should gain. 2143 01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,599 Speaker 1: Let me just put this way, women in general, start 2144 01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,479 Speaker 1: making your decisions for yourself. In other words, stop rolling 2145 01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,880 Speaker 1: into what that you feel is. This is what I'm 2146 01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,839 Speaker 1: supposed to do, this is the life I've been supposed 2147 01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:15,080 Speaker 1: to be living. And that's what this book does for me. 2148 01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,080 Speaker 1: At the beginning of my show, I always talking about 2149 01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:19,559 Speaker 1: leave with your gifts and don't let your age, friends, family, 2150 01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,200 Speaker 1: or co workers stop you from planning to living your dreams. 2151 01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:24,400 Speaker 1: And basically that's what this book is telling you. You know, 2152 01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,080 Speaker 1: look in the mirror at yourself and be to be 2153 01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,800 Speaker 1: dependent on yourself. And we talked about it off air, 2154 01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:33,080 Speaker 1: but when you start talking about marriages, you said, Rishan, 2155 01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say she talked to me like this, Rashan, 2156 01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:36,280 Speaker 1: because I read it from the book. I felt like 2157 01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,479 Speaker 1: she was talking to me. Y'all. Okay, she said, Roshan, 2158 01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,400 Speaker 1: forty percent of the people get married and they know 2159 01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:44,080 Speaker 1: it isn't the divorce, but they don't care. They don't. 2160 01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:46,720 Speaker 1: They don't they don't plan for the possibilities that it 2161 01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:49,080 Speaker 1: might end in the divorce. If you were giving that 2162 01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:52,519 Speaker 1: number fifty on anything that you do in a daily life, 2163 01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:54,880 Speaker 1: if you were heard it was fIF percent chance of rain, 2164 01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,280 Speaker 1: you will probably take an umbrella. If you heard the 2165 01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,160 Speaker 1: temperature we're gonna drop fifty percent chance we're gonn drop 2166 01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,200 Speaker 1: on the forty degree, you would take a coat. But 2167 01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:05,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to marriage, we have such a naive 2168 01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:08,200 Speaker 1: approach to it, like won't happen to me, and when 2169 01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,920 Speaker 1: it does happen, there's no preparations. So with that being said, 2170 01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:16,360 Speaker 1: how does one shift from the from the person who's 2171 01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:19,000 Speaker 1: being taken care of to the bread winner? How do that? 2172 01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,840 Speaker 1: How do they make that shift? Yeah? I mean I 2173 01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:24,599 Speaker 1: think it starts with looking at your income and being 2174 01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,400 Speaker 1: very realistic about is the income I'm earning supporting the 2175 01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,680 Speaker 1: life that I want? And then and I know this 2176 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,200 Speaker 1: is really hard, and because I've interviewed people and so 2177 01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,439 Speaker 1: many of our Acorns users are in this position too, 2178 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,799 Speaker 1: because a lot of people feel like they're living paychecks 2179 01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,519 Speaker 1: a paycheck, and I certainly did when I have my 2180 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,800 Speaker 1: wake up Paul, and we're thinking we don't have any 2181 01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,080 Speaker 1: money to save or invest, like we're barely getting by. 2182 01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:45,360 Speaker 1: But if you don't need to put a lot of 2183 01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:47,920 Speaker 1: money aside, it's just so important to get into the 2184 01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:52,000 Speaker 1: habit of using your paycheck, using each paycheck to be 2185 01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:55,080 Speaker 1: less dependent on your next paycheck. And what I mean 2186 01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,400 Speaker 1: by that is using anything you can from that paycheck 2187 01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:01,640 Speaker 1: you get to put into savings, high yield savings to 2188 01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,759 Speaker 1: put into the stock market and bonds, and start investing 2189 01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,000 Speaker 1: that money so it can grow for you. Because that's 2190 01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:09,559 Speaker 1: how you break the chain, right, That's how you break 2191 01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,040 Speaker 1: your dependence on every single paycheck, how you break the 2192 01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:15,800 Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck cycle, how you build real wealth. When 2193 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking about wealth, I think we have this notion 2194 01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:21,160 Speaker 1: of wealth as being like, I don't know, make mansions 2195 01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,240 Speaker 1: and yachts and all these things. I'm not talking about that. 2196 01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking about having enough money growing in the background 2197 01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,080 Speaker 1: of your life by investing it, that you have the 2198 01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:31,320 Speaker 1: money to make choices in your life, that you have 2199 01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:34,000 Speaker 1: the money to you know, to go back to school 2200 01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:35,400 Speaker 1: if you want to go to school, if you want 2201 01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:37,080 Speaker 1: you have the money to start a business, if you 2202 01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,240 Speaker 1: want to you have the money to travel, to buy 2203 01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:42,080 Speaker 1: a home. All of these things, you know, they require 2204 01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:44,360 Speaker 1: more than you're usually making in a paycheck, and so 2205 01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:46,800 Speaker 1: it's so important to get into that happened. I don't 2206 01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:51,240 Speaker 1: think women, especially we are we are not encouraged to 2207 01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:53,960 Speaker 1: be wealth builders. We are not encouraged to say I 2208 01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:56,160 Speaker 1: want to make money, earn money, I want to make 2209 01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:58,160 Speaker 1: a lot of money. You know, we are not encouraged 2210 01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:00,200 Speaker 1: to think that way or even to consider it, or 2211 01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:03,800 Speaker 1: that we're good investors. When the research actually shows that 2212 01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,679 Speaker 1: we're better investors than then often we get good returns. 2213 01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,200 Speaker 1: So that it starts with that and then it starts. 2214 01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:11,920 Speaker 1: You know, obviously you don't want credit card debt. You 2215 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,400 Speaker 1: want to be building your credit um you know, all 2216 01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:16,160 Speaker 1: of these things, and you want to be really thinking 2217 01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,680 Speaker 1: strategically about your job path or your career so that 2218 01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:21,760 Speaker 1: it's not just what am I making now, but what 2219 01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:23,640 Speaker 1: am I going to make next year, five years from now? 2220 01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:26,320 Speaker 1: How do I take the steps now to set myself up, 2221 01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, to earn more. I remember listening to Ashcash 2222 01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:31,120 Speaker 1: talking about he was a bank teller and already had 2223 01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:33,840 Speaker 1: dreams of being, you know, a bank manager, of moving 2224 01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,400 Speaker 1: into an executive role. He was thinking three steps ahead. 2225 01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:37,960 Speaker 1: And that's how you have to think. Is am I 2226 01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:39,960 Speaker 1: doing the things right now that are going to set 2227 01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,000 Speaker 1: me up so that I have the role I want 2228 01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:44,560 Speaker 1: to have in two years, five years down the road? Well, 2229 01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, you have to think if you don't think 2230 01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:48,960 Speaker 1: about the future, and we have a general tendency to 2231 01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,960 Speaker 1: think every thirty days, so paycheck to paycheck, and if 2232 01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,360 Speaker 1: you think like that, you really don't see to put 2233 01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:56,520 Speaker 1: you a pitfall that can happen. And I think that 2234 01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,080 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the books, when you you kind 2235 01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:01,240 Speaker 1: of like paycheck pay checking, one day you just woke 2236 01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:04,200 Speaker 1: up and right woome, you know something, just paycheck to 2237 01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:07,200 Speaker 1: paycheck is not gonna work out because, uh, we're in 2238 01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:08,880 Speaker 1: one bed room and I'm looking at my baby and 2239 01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:11,760 Speaker 1: my baby's growing paycheck to paycheck. And so that that 2240 01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,080 Speaker 1: awakening that made you move forward. With that being said, 2241 01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,680 Speaker 1: you know we have so many barriers. You know, when 2242 01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,720 Speaker 1: we think about athletics for women and there's a there's 2243 01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:25,480 Speaker 1: a title line to have women have equal sports participation 2244 01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:28,560 Speaker 1: in colleges, and right now we hear about situations and 2245 01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:32,320 Speaker 1: soccer trying to tennis and professional sports. But when it 2246 01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:35,600 Speaker 1: comes to academics and I'm talking about the the learned 2247 01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:40,000 Speaker 1: world executives, we know there's a shoulderness the philosophy. They're 2248 01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:44,400 Speaker 1: stopping women from getting equal paid and so that, like 2249 01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:47,280 Speaker 1: you said, you use some uncomfortable situations where you have 2250 01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:49,320 Speaker 1: to leave, and when you think back on a certain situations, 2251 01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:51,640 Speaker 1: you took some stuff that you probably shouldn't have taken 2252 01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:55,760 Speaker 1: in job environments. How would that being said? I know 2253 01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:57,960 Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen overnight, and I'm not trying to 2254 01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:00,280 Speaker 1: get you to go there even this conversation, but this 2255 01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,400 Speaker 1: book allows me to at least open up the eyes 2256 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,440 Speaker 1: for the reader to say, hey, start thinking about the 2257 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,480 Speaker 1: possibilities and that really is the basis of this book, 2258 01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:12,880 Speaker 1: the possibilities and shape those possibilities into opportunities and then 2259 01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:16,080 Speaker 1: opportunities turned into goals. Is that the right strategy I'm 2260 01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:19,360 Speaker 1: putting in place about your book? It starts with having 2261 01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:22,160 Speaker 1: a vision for what you want in your future and 2262 01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:24,200 Speaker 1: then thinking about what you can do to get there 2263 01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,240 Speaker 1: um and planning that strategy and taking it step by step. 2264 01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:28,560 Speaker 1: You know, it took me a few years to get 2265 01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:30,320 Speaker 1: on the right track, but that's you know that It 2266 01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,160 Speaker 1: starts with asking yourself what do I want in my life? 2267 01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,360 Speaker 1: Not what can I forward right now in my life? 2268 01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:38,320 Speaker 1: Not what do other people expect from me in my life? 2269 01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:41,040 Speaker 1: What do I want in my life? And how can 2270 01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,720 Speaker 1: I make it happen? And that gives you such a 2271 01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:46,000 Speaker 1: sense of agency when you start taking the steps to 2272 01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,160 Speaker 1: make it happen. And the other you know, the other 2273 01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:50,600 Speaker 1: thing that you pointed out is that look, if we 2274 01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:55,480 Speaker 1: look at the numbers, women are lagging men on every 2275 01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:58,360 Speaker 1: financial measure right now. So if you just do the 2276 01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:02,080 Speaker 1: status quo, can you just fall into that? That's where 2277 01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:04,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna end up, so you have to actually stop 2278 01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:06,600 Speaker 1: and say no, wait, that is not how I wanted 2279 01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:08,200 Speaker 1: to go for me. I don't want to get paid 2280 01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,880 Speaker 1: less than the guy down the hall. I don't want that. 2281 01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:13,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to be passed over for promotion. You know, 2282 01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:16,920 Speaker 1: these are very real barriers, and so it's important for 2283 01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,760 Speaker 1: us to be aware of them, but then also think about, Okay, 2284 01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:21,880 Speaker 1: what am I going to do so I get that promotion. So, 2285 01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,760 Speaker 1: for example, we know there's research out there that shows 2286 01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,640 Speaker 1: that women are more likely to pick up what's called 2287 01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:30,000 Speaker 1: office housework or nonpromotable work. We're the ones like organizing 2288 01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:32,160 Speaker 1: the meetings, are cleaning the conference room or whatever it is, 2289 01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:35,200 Speaker 1: and that people are more likely to ask women to 2290 01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:37,960 Speaker 1: do that. That doesn't mean we need to say yes, 2291 01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, we can be nice about it, but we 2292 01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:43,240 Speaker 1: don't need to fall into some of these traps. And 2293 01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,320 Speaker 1: I think the first step there is awareness, Like if 2294 01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:48,320 Speaker 1: you are aware that this is happening and you say no, 2295 01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,320 Speaker 1: wait a second, I don't want this to happen to me, 2296 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:52,880 Speaker 1: then the question is, okay, what steps are you going 2297 01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,840 Speaker 1: to take so that that doesn't happen to you? Because 2298 01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:57,920 Speaker 1: you want your life to go on a different trajectory. 2299 01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,880 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here twelve years later telling you that 2300 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,920 Speaker 1: is entirely possible. You know, I'm not saying it's always easy, 2301 01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:06,160 Speaker 1: but it is entirely possible to say like mm hmmm, no, 2302 01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:08,120 Speaker 1: this is not me. I don't want to be making 2303 01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, eighteen cents less or more, you know, than 2304 01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:13,200 Speaker 1: than the white man down the wall. It's just not 2305 01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:16,200 Speaker 1: going to make you know. Um. But then you have 2306 01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:17,360 Speaker 1: to be aware of that, and then you have to 2307 01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:19,120 Speaker 1: think about, Okay, what do I need to do to 2308 01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:21,280 Speaker 1: make sure I get that promotion art I'm gonna track 2309 01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,480 Speaker 1: every single thing I'm doing for this company and look 2310 01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:25,360 Speaker 1: at how it's supporting this company. And when I come 2311 01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:27,320 Speaker 1: in there and ask for that promotion or that raise, 2312 01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have numbers. Because numbers don't lie. It takes 2313 01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:32,760 Speaker 1: the emotion out of it. It's really hard to argue 2314 01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,160 Speaker 1: with numbers. So a lot of this is the approach. 2315 01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,480 Speaker 1: You know, I want to say this. You know, we're 2316 01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:40,160 Speaker 1: in that era, you hit that term counsel culture, and 2317 01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:43,720 Speaker 1: because so many people are finally speaking up, finally saying, look, 2318 01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:47,200 Speaker 1: I deserve to be recognize for my work for my pain. 2319 01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,760 Speaker 1: And I don't want this book to become a victim 2320 01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,480 Speaker 1: of that thought process of counseling. Gold dude, Oh women, 2321 01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:54,480 Speaker 1: it should be satisfied. Should they should be happy being 2322 01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:56,680 Speaker 1: at home, They should be happy taken care of. Because 2323 01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:59,000 Speaker 1: your book is brilliant. I'm just gonna be honest with you. 2324 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,440 Speaker 1: I've read it and I started reading the again because 2325 01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:03,600 Speaker 1: if we missed our first interview, and I was just 2326 01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:07,200 Speaker 1: so moved by the you know, do not wait till 2327 01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:09,520 Speaker 1: your mid thirties. That's a theme in this book. In 2328 01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,000 Speaker 1: the mid thirties, these women are starting to wake up. 2329 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,200 Speaker 1: Wake up at nineteen, wake up at sixteen, wake up 2330 01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:17,839 Speaker 1: at twenty one, don't wake up in the mid thirties. 2331 01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:19,720 Speaker 1: And then you then that's what happens. You get in 2332 01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:22,840 Speaker 1: that trap because age starts to come in. You go, 2333 01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:26,120 Speaker 1: can I make up? Can I pivot? And sometimes people 2334 01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:27,800 Speaker 1: don't care if you can't pivot, They're gonna pieve it 2335 01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:29,840 Speaker 1: for you and kick you to the curb. And so 2336 01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:32,360 Speaker 1: that's the wonder of this book is that don't let 2337 01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:35,480 Speaker 1: age stop. You, don't let allow yourself to wait too late. 2338 01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:38,840 Speaker 1: But more importantly, read books like this and it will 2339 01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,360 Speaker 1: focus you early, give it to your daughter a lot 2340 01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:43,480 Speaker 1: hard to have a sense that she can be independent. 2341 01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:45,680 Speaker 1: It's all ready to have a freedom thought. It's all 2342 01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:48,400 Speaker 1: ready to think about themselves. It's already to focus about 2343 01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:52,840 Speaker 1: focus on financially in defend in Financial Independent, wonderful book, Jennifer. 2344 01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:54,920 Speaker 1: I really glad we was able to pull this interview 2345 01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:58,440 Speaker 1: off because you are amazing. Thank you, Thank you so much. 2346 01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate that night. It's such a good sign. Good. I'm 2347 02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:03,760 Speaker 1: glad because I had a good time for reading you 2348 02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,000 Speaker 1: maybe smile and I hopefully I made you smile just 2349 02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:07,920 Speaker 1: thinking about some of the fun parts of the book. 2350 02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,360 Speaker 1: But again, thank you for coming on money Making Conversations. 2351 02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:13,560 Speaker 1: All right, thank you. 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