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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Lisa called Monster Surgeon caught

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Speaker 1: on camera lurking stalking ex wife Monique's home that she

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Speaker 1: shared with her new husband of five years and their

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Speaker 1: two little children. He's caught on a neighbor's surveillance camp

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Speaker 1: lurking the home and going inside the curtilage, and he

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Speaker 1: spends hours inside. This is weeks before the double murder

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Speaker 1: when Monique and Spencer are found shot dead in their

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Speaker 1: own beds. By the time friends arrived to find out

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Speaker 1: where are they, they can hear the children wailing, screaming,

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Speaker 1: where's mommy. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. We've thought

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Speaker 1: that Spencer Teffy was shot multiple times and Monique was

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Speaker 1: shot once.

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Speaker 2: The AffA David for Monique now says that she was

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Speaker 2: shot multiple times each have multiple gunshot wounds and are

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Speaker 2: bleeding out.

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Speaker 1: This young mother of two has her body ripped apart

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night with their children next door,

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Speaker 1: and bleeds out and tonight. A careful reading of this

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Speaker 1: affidavit reveals that Monique and Spencer's neighbor's door cam or

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Speaker 1: surveillance video catch the so called monster surgeon ex husband

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Speaker 1: lurking around their home while they're out of town in

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis at a Big Ten championship game Number one? How

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Speaker 1: did he know they were gone? Had it been posted online?

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Speaker 1: We know Monique had no social media presence. Was she

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Speaker 1: afraid he was stalking her? I guess?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: How did he know that? Had he hacked into their emails?

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Speaker 1: That said? The neighbor's surveillance video catches him. Michael McKee,

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Speaker 1: the vascular surgeon once married to Monique like ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: stalking their home. We believe he gets in their home

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Speaker 1: because that video shows him entering the quote curtilage. What

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Speaker 1: is curtilage. Let's take a look at the fence that

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Speaker 1: encloses the Teppee backyard their back area. You can see

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Speaker 1: that their backyard is totally enclosed by a fence. And

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Speaker 1: if you look at this wedding photo that had been

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Speaker 1: posted online, not by Monique, and I'm sure McKee looked

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Speaker 1: at it many many times, you can see how tall

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Speaker 1: the fence is. This area would be the curtilage. This

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Speaker 1: is behind the Teppee home straight out to Troy Slayton

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Speaker 1: joining us, a trial lawyer out of La founder of

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Speaker 1: the Slaton Law Group, Troy, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Typically you don't have to have a separate warrant to

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Speaker 1: search curtilage. But which could be, you know, the backyard.

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Speaker 1: It could be a garage, it could be a toolshit,

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Speaker 1: it could be a playhouse, it could be any number

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Speaker 1: of things that are not the home proper. This is

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Speaker 1: what I think happened, Troy. I think the neighbors Ringham

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Speaker 1: or burglercam sees McKee approach the Teppe home. You can

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Speaker 1: see the fence from the front yard as well, so

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Speaker 1: I'm betting money that they see him approach and at

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Speaker 1: some point he jumps the fence because I don't see

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Speaker 1: looking at all the video that there is a gate,

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Speaker 1: a fence gate. You have to either jump the fence

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Speaker 1: or go into the backyard through the home. That would

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Speaker 1: be the curdilage. And this is why I think he

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Speaker 1: stayed in the home for all of those hours and

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Speaker 1: hours while they were out of town, because the video

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Speaker 1: catches him going in hours pass before he comes back out,

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Speaker 1: so I can guarantee you he did not spend hours

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Speaker 1: and hours in their backyard area. That's what I think happened.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at that montage again. See what

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Speaker 1: I mean, One jump over the fence, be it from

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Speaker 1: that back alley or from the front of the home,

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Speaker 1: and he's there now. Troy. If you look to the

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Speaker 1: left of the door, you see either a basement door

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Speaker 1: or window. I'm betting that's how he gained entrance. What

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Speaker 1: about it, Troy Slayton.

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Speaker 4: The reason why this is important, Nancy, is because prosecutors

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Speaker 4: have alleged aggravated murder, which requires pre plan I mean,

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Speaker 4: and the evidence that he was at the home a

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Speaker 4: month before shows that this was calculated, pre planned. He

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Speaker 4: had malice, a forethought, and that's what raises it to

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Speaker 4: the highest level of a murder charge in the state

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Speaker 4: of Ohio, which is aggravated murder, which exposes him to

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Speaker 4: the possibility of the death penalty where there's a moratorium

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Speaker 4: currently or life without the possibility of parole.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand, Troy slat and you've defended a

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Speaker 1: lot of cases. You are saying that this degree of

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Speaker 1: stalking and how he knew they were going to be

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Speaker 1: find that out from his digital footprint. Was he hacking

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Speaker 1: into their email. Did he figure out their code, Troy,

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of speculation. Did they have a keypad? Locke?

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Speaker 1: Did he figure out the interest? But I think if

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Speaker 1: this that he likely in the back where that ally is.

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Speaker 1: If we could see the video of what we believe

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Speaker 1: to be doctor McKee walking along that private alley behind

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Speaker 1: their home, I'm guessing I'm betting Troy that that's where

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Speaker 1: he entered. Right through there is near the fence we're showing.

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Speaker 3: Yeh Nacy.

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Speaker 4: This is important for two reasons. This is important to

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Speaker 4: show the pre planning, the calculation, the malice of forethought

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Speaker 4: with regard to the murder. But it's also important for

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Speaker 4: during the commission of the murder, if he committed a burglary,

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Speaker 4: which is the breaking and entering the dwelling house of

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Speaker 4: another with the intent to commit a felony Therein, if

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Speaker 4: he breaks in with the intent to cause harm to

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Speaker 4: the occupants, that's a burglary. Doing that in association with

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Speaker 4: the murder also elevates it to aggravated murder in the

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Speaker 4: state of Ohio.

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Speaker 1: You know another thing right there, Troy Slaton, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to go to death, come forward and through the

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Speaker 1: law right now. But it also sets them up for

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Speaker 1: a felony murder charge. A felony murder charge, of course,

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Speaker 1: is when a death occurs during the commission of a felony.

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Speaker 1: Like you and I rob a bank and I say,

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Speaker 1: don't shoot anybody, Slaton, please just get the money. You

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Speaker 1: go in there and go crazy and start pulling your

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Speaker 1: ak trigger and you go down to tellers. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what did I just tell you? Well, I'm on the

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Speaker 1: hook for double murder because a death occurred while I

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Speaker 1: am committing a felling. Doesn't matter if I didn't mean

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Speaker 1: for anyone to die. So in most jurisdictions, felony murder

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Speaker 1: carries the same penalty as murder. One the fact that

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Speaker 1: he burgled and a death occurred sets them up for

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Speaker 1: felony murder. And what you said is absolutely correct, Troy.

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Speaker 1: This show's just so much evil intent and premeditation, you know,

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Speaker 1: joining me in all Star, pal, don't move, Troy Slayton.

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Elena Mandenburgh joining us.

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Speaker 1: She's an investigative reporter for The Mirror, the Irish Star,

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Speaker 1: and they expressed, what did you learn from reading this affidavit.

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Speaker 1: What did you learn appeared on the neighbor's surveillance video?

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Speaker 2: Well, a number of new things with the Affidavid. It's explosive.

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Speaker 2: And since we're already talking about the alleged talking that

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Speaker 2: the neighbors caught on the camera. It was also the

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Speaker 2: same day that they were at that Big ten game

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Speaker 2: and Monique had gone home early. Her friends noticed she

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Speaker 2: went home early in the second half because she was

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Speaker 2: upset about something regarding her ex husband. Either she or

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Speaker 2: Spencer went into detail with their friends, but they did

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Speaker 2: let their friends know. So did she get an not

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Speaker 2: there to possibly psychologically mess with her, which is very

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Speaker 2: common in abusive relationships, the stalking, the psychological games. So

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Speaker 2: we don't actually know how she found out, but we

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Speaker 2: know she was upset about something that day enough to

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Speaker 2: We actually also don't know if she let her husband know,

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Speaker 2: if she realized that Mickey was stalking her. We don't

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Speaker 2: know if she let her husband Spencer know she could

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Speaker 2: have felt like she's managing this stalker, could have been

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Speaker 2: something that's happening frequently enough. Because if we know that

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Speaker 2: there's no police report. She never went to the place,

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Speaker 2: from the top view on Google, it looks like every

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Speaker 2: single home has that like little garage or cuddleage in

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Speaker 2: the back. It's a garage, it's a shed and through

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Speaker 2: there you can access the yard. So did he have

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Speaker 2: just simply jump the fence and you know, allegedly go

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Speaker 2: for a basement. Wind know that much. We don't know,

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Speaker 2: but we know he was there, and we know that

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Speaker 2: her friends, she had spoken to a lot of her

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Speaker 2: as he paint into everyone, they immediately pointed fingers at

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Speaker 2: Nick Key. And there is one line, one line from

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Speaker 2: the affidavit that especially stuck out to me that it

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Speaker 2: wasn't just illegal, but illegal and creepy. It's alleged, if true,

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Speaker 2: she had told her friends that he had threatened her,

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Speaker 2: you know, not just during their marriage and after their marriage,

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Speaker 2: but at least once he said that he would find

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Speaker 2: she will always be his wife, which you know, and

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Speaker 2: there he is making good on it. He was also

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, Dave Mac. Before I go to doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I want you to join Elenamandenburgh in what

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Speaker 1: you learn from the affidavit. You and I poured over

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Speaker 1: it into the night. She's with a group of friends

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Speaker 1: at a Big ten championship game in Indiana. Something happens

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Speaker 1: some time, big party. She leaves the group, Dave Mac,

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Speaker 1: we know is that she Spencer. Later everybody said where's Monique,

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Speaker 1: and he goes She's upset something about her ex husband.

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Speaker 1: It can't be a coincidence, Dave Mac, that he's in

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Speaker 1: the home for hours and she leaves at halftime upset

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Speaker 1: about the ex the surgeon, the vascular surgeon, doctor Michael McKee.

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Speaker 1: It's not a coincidence. There is no coincidence, Dave Mac

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Speaker 1: in criminal law. Okay, she had to know. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: called her and went, hey, your house looks really good today,

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Speaker 1: her upset. That doesn't mean she knew he was inside.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what did you learn from the affidavit?

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, there's something that is really impactful here. You've

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Speaker 5: got to realize. Spencer and Monique both went to Ohio State.

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Speaker 5: Ohio State is playing Indiana in the Big Ten Championship.

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Speaker 5: This isn't just a party. This is a big important

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Speaker 5: game that costs a lot of money to go to it.

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Speaker 5: And Spencer and Monique planned this excursion. They had a

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Speaker 5: hotel room booked in Indianapolis. You know their friends are

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Speaker 5: all there. It's a big deal. So when Monique leaves

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Speaker 5: after the second half starts, Okay, you're in the third

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Speaker 5: quarter and Monique leaves, all of the friends are going, hey,

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Speaker 5: what's up Spence. You know it's a big game, and

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Speaker 5: he tells them then it's something to do with monique

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Speaker 5: sex husband, and she's really upset. She's going back to

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Speaker 5: the hotel. I'm thinking, based on the timing, based on

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Speaker 5: how important this event was in their lives and their

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Speaker 5: social circle, that McKee let Monique know that he was

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Speaker 5: at their house. And I think you're absolutely right. He's

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Speaker 5: doing one of those creepy stalker things to let her know. Yeah, hell,

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Speaker 5: I like where you move. The couch looks really good

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Speaker 5: over there. He's letting her know, I'm in control. You

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Speaker 1: You know what, Dave, I'm so glad you had the temperature.

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Speaker 1: There is no way in hgal that he sat in

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com Doctor Bethany Hours and hours in

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Speaker 1: Monique's home. Let me just put it out there. How

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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, he may have been there in there

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Speaker 6: He was in a rage, I am sure before he

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's looking at a nighty, a piece of lingerie

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Speaker 1: So what is he going to do.

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Speaker 6: He's going to call her, and he's going to demonstrate

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Speaker 6: Perhaps there's something that he could use to humiliate her

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Speaker 6: He is coming for her, and there is nothing she

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Speaker 1: Just while you were talking, doctor Bethany, I was thinking

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Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Gray joining us tonight, in addition

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Speaker 1: course doctor Bethany Marshall, Doctor Thomas Coin truly an expert.

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Speaker 1: The chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's office in

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Speaker 1: the state of Florida. Never a lack of business. Forensic pathologists, toxicologist, neuropathologist,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Coin. While we are talking about him, the vascular surgeon,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Unfortunately, gunshot wounds of the torso can take some

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Speaker 1: I have reason to believe that Spencer tried to get

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Speaker 8: If the gunshot wound did not hit the spinal column,

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Speaker 1: Coin, what exactly is a vascular surgeon.

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Speaker 1: And of course he made Dean's list on a roll

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Speaker 1: He played football at a very very elite level. I

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Speaker 9: I had quite a journey to get to you. Countless

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Speaker 10: Worth every cringing second because it led me to you.

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Speaker 9: Throughout all of this, I knew that God was guiding

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Speaker 1: Temp Michael Mackay, the vascular sergeant multiple malepractice and claims

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Speaker 1: Monique wants the children are orphans, they probably will remember

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Speaker 1: the murders of their parents.

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Speaker 10: Friends and family tell investigators how Monique's ex husband, McKee

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Speaker 10: had been abusive and made numerous threats on her life.

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Speaker 10: During and after their marriage. McKee forces Monique into unwanted

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Speaker 10: sex and strangulation. McKee tells Monique he can kill her

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Speaker 10: anytime he wants. He will buy the house right next

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Speaker 10: door to her, and she is always going to be

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Speaker 10: his wife.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall forced her into unwanted sex. That means sex assaulted

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Speaker 1: his own wife, probably when she tried to leave. That's

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Speaker 1: the allegation.

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Speaker 6: And think about strangulation. During unwanted forced sex, you are

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Speaker 6: looking the victim in the eyes and kind of playing

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Speaker 6: a cat and mouse with them. So if he is

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Speaker 6: starting to strangle her, she's trying to protest. He is

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Speaker 6: up close and intimate with her pain and her anxiety,

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Speaker 6: and he has the power to release the pressure. When

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Speaker 6: she gasps for air and says, I'll do anything you want.

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Speaker 6: I promise I'll never leave you, I'll never make you

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Speaker 6: mad again, then he applies the pressure again. This is

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Speaker 6: a metaphor for what he's been doing for the last

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Speaker 6: ten years, applying pressure, releasing it, applying pressure. And remember Nancy,

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Speaker 6: when he's in that house, he is gathering evidence that

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Speaker 6: she is with another man. It could be baby clothes,

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Speaker 6: it could be sex toys, it could be a diary,

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Speaker 6: it could be anything. And he is going to apply

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Speaker 6: that pressure again. And with the kind of obsession that

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Speaker 6: I believe he has, he needs to get rid of

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Speaker 6: her so he can get rid of this painful way

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Speaker 6: of operating in the world where all of his thoughts

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Speaker 6: go to her. Maybe the sense that it would be

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Speaker 6: a relief if she was no longer around.

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Speaker 1: Joining us is Elena Mandenberg, as I mentioned, investigative reporter

466
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Speaker 1: for The Mirror, the Irish Star and The Express, she

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Speaker 1: has obtained a document. All along we've thought that Spencer

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Speaker 1: Tappe was shot multiple times and Minate was shot once.

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Speaker 1: What did you find, Elina.

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Speaker 2: Well, for the first time since we since we heard

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Speaker 2: about this case, it was one gun shot for Monique,

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Speaker 2: but the AffA David for Monique now says that she

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Speaker 2: was shot multiple times, which contradicts the first report. The

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Speaker 2: arresting officer that signed it, Russell Weiner, he was the

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Speaker 2: one that wrote this down. So I am working to

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Speaker 2: double check this with the police department, but it's pretty

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Speaker 2: obvious if it's right there in the AffA David. So

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Speaker 2: now we get a new picture. Now each have multiple

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Speaker 2: gunshot wounds and are bleeding.

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Speaker 1: You know, Elaina Mandenburg, I want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: document that you've uncovered. If you look carefully at this document,

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Speaker 1: you see that it was filed in the last few

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Speaker 1: days January eleventh, twenty twenty six. On this document, it

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Speaker 1: states is Elena Mandenburg is describing that purposefully with prior

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Speaker 1: calculation and design, which equals malice a forethought under the law,

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Speaker 1: cause the death of another verbatim Monique Teppi by shooting

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Speaker 1: the victim multiple times with a fire arm. This was

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Speaker 1: filed in the Franklin County Municipal Court Jan eleven, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, and uncovered by Jolena Mandenburg. Joining us now

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Speaker 1: is professor for Ezics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood

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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit

492
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Speaker 1: sera podcast, Bodybag That Joe Scott Morgan. He has investigated

493
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Speaker 1: over ten thousand death scenes, accident, natural causes, suicide, unexplained,

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Speaker 1: and of course murder. What does this tell you? This

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Speaker 1: is a bombshell because a lot of shrinks will go

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Speaker 1: into well he was shot multiple times and she was

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Speaker 1: shot only once. What does that mean? And they spin

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Speaker 1: it out? Oh no, Monique, look at Monique. Show me Monique,

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Speaker 1: this young mother of two who has her own master's degree,

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Speaker 1: I might add, brilliant on a search for love finds

501
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: mister Wright, not mister right now, Mister Wright, and they

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Speaker 1: marry and they build a life, and she has these

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Speaker 1: two beautiful children asleep in the room next to her,

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Speaker 1: and then she has her body ripped apart in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the night with their children next door and

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Speaker 1: bleeds out multiple gunshot wounds Joe Scott Morgan multiple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: This is why you don't rely on what the police

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Speaker 11: say about injuries. You rely upon what the corner actually relates.

510
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Speaker 11: And keep in mind the silence is deafening in that

511
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 11: particular realm. They're going to know specifically, and this would

512
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Speaker 11: have been Nancy. Just understand, this is going to be

513
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Speaker 11: a bloody mess. So if you're at the scene right

514
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Speaker 11: and you have you have multiple gunshot wounds, you're not

515
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Speaker 11: going to be able to assess that at the scene.

516
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Speaker 11: You're just not and assess it accurately. Until you get

517
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Speaker 11: the bodies back to the morgue you can clean them

518
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 11: up and document everything very thoroughly. That's why I always

519
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 11: hedge my bets. If I don't hear something and it's

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00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 11: relative to the injuries themselves, I ain't buying it until

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Speaker 11: I hear it from the forensic pathologists, the corner, the

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Speaker 11: medical examiner, or whoever it might be this medical legal authority.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, you can run, run as much as you

524
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Speaker 11: want to with overkill and all these sorts of things,

525
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Speaker 11: but let's rely on the physical evidence here. Begin to

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Speaker 11: think about what kind of injuries they have. We need

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Speaker 11: to know what the range of fire is which could

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Speaker 11: potentially be impacted. Remember, we have heard that there is

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Speaker 11: a suppressor involved in this case, and I think that

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Speaker 11: that could play into it. And can I say one

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Speaker 11: more thing about our guests from earlier he had mentioned,

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Speaker 11: I think he's accurate about this that you would not

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Speaker 11: expect a surgeon, necessarily because of their lifestyle, to engage

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Speaker 11: in this kind of behavior that's really intense. With s talking,

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Speaker 11: I want to take a juxtaposition on this. I think

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Speaker 11: because of financial resources that a surgeon brings to bear,

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Speaker 11: you're going to be looking at high tech stuff with

538
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Speaker 11: this guy. He's going to have the ability to do

539
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Speaker 11: things that the average Joe on the street is not

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Speaker 11: going to be able to do, relative to survey ailience,

541
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Speaker 11: acquisition of documents, being able to track people's movements and

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Speaker 11: all this sort of thing. Because all you have to

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Speaker 11: do is drop the cash and you can find somebody

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Speaker 11: to facilitate this for you. I also want to know

545
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Speaker 11: because there have been other cases where they have engaged

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Speaker 11: engaged the services of a private investigator to seek people

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Speaker 11: out and they can kind of do this work for you,

548
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Speaker 11: and so I'd like to know if he had anybody

549
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 11: else helping him track her down, find out where she is,

550
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Speaker 11: her financials, anything that's going on in her life.

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Speaker 1: Jo Scott, you just opened up a Pandora's box of

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Speaker 1: possibilities for the defense. I'm going to circle back to

553
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: you on range of fire. But to Troy Slayton, is

554
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: that one of your worst nightmares when you find out

555
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Speaker 1: your client hired a PI private investigator to investigate your

556
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Speaker 1: ex wife who's now happily married with children. There is

557
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Speaker 1: no client PI privilege unless the PI is working for

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Speaker 1: a legal team, and then he becomes part of the

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Speaker 1: lawyer client privilege he sheet. Can you imagine if that

560
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Speaker 1: is correct what Joe Scott Morgan just hypothesized. If he

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Speaker 1: doctor McKee hired a PI to track her down so

562
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Speaker 1: he could go kill her, there's going to be reams

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Speaker 1: and reams of files of emails with doctor McKee, of

564
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Speaker 1: phone calls with doctor McKee, of meetings with doctor McKee,

565
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Speaker 1: where he wants to find her, track her down and

566
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Speaker 1: find out about her life. Shudder cry. If that's true,

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Speaker 1: is any defens find that out.

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Speaker 4: It's not good and it goes right to the heart

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Speaker 4: of what the prosecution needs to prove, which we talked

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Speaker 4: about earlier, which is showing under Ohio law, prior calculation

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Speaker 4: and design, and that's what raises the case from second

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Speaker 4: degree murder to the first degree aggravated murder. Now it's

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Speaker 4: also important to remember, though, that we don't have any

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Speaker 4: eyewitness to this crime, meaning there's no direct.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just choked. You mean other than ballistics

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Speaker 1: match between the bullet and the gun he had. He

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Speaker 1: kept at home. He kept the gun and by the way,

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Speaker 1: tonight we're finding out, Troy, just throw this into your

579
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Speaker 1: witches brew that he was armed at the time he

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Speaker 1: was arrested. Armed, not with a murder weapon because that

581
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Speaker 1: was found in his home. He was armed when he

582
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Speaker 1: was arrested. Now, that's not illegal. Got it's better than

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Speaker 1: a witness.

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Speaker 4: The Second Amendment, Nancy, it's not illegal to own a firearm.

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Speaker 4: It's not illegal to carry a firearm.

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Speaker 1: How about if you use that murder two people.

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Speaker 4: Of course, that's illegal. But we don't have any eyewitness

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00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: to this crime. So I mean, obviously it looks like

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: there's a lot of circumstantial evidence. And as you've explained

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Speaker 4: to juries many times in the courtroom, circumstantial evidence can

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Speaker 4: be just as good as direct evidence.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you say there's no eyewitness, I submit that

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Speaker 1: there is direct evidence, which an eyewitness is not just circumstantial,

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Speaker 1: because a fingerprint or DNA or a ballistics match is

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Speaker 1: direct evidence, especially when you find out the defendant, doctor

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Speaker 1: Michael McKee, has the murder weapon in his keeping. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you think about what you just said for

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Speaker 1: a few minutes. Troy Slayton, and by the way, Troy

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Speaker 1: Slayton has won a lot of cases making arguments just

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Speaker 1: like that, somehow boring the lines by arguing the Second

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Speaker 1: Amendment right to kill people. Okay, Doctor Bethany, can I

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Speaker 1: talk to you about the multiple gunshots that Monique Teppe sustained. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that means something that is probative. What does it.

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Speaker 6: Prove simmering resentment and rage, rage that has been building

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Speaker 6: ever since she left him, Nancy, we know women are

606
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Speaker 6: at the greatest risk for homicide as they are leaving

607
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Speaker 6: a marriage. A woman can be stalked by her husband

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Speaker 6: while she is in a marriage. In fact, the majority

609
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 6: of stalking happens during the marriage and not afterwards. So

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Speaker 6: in his mind, he's been thinking about this for a

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Speaker 6: long long time, Nancy. In the fact that he's a surgeon.

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Speaker 6: People who are this bright, who have this much accomplishment,

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Speaker 6: advanced degrees and education, it becomes a thin veneer of

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Speaker 6: sophistication that hides a very very dark interior. But remember

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Speaker 6: he had all those malpractice suits.

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Speaker 1: So he may have that.

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Speaker 6: Doctor's lab code, he may have all those degrees, he

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00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 6: may have all of that, but underneath is a very

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Speaker 6: very messy and I'm going to say dysregulated person, which

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Speaker 6: goes back to all the multiple gunshot room wounds. This

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Speaker 6: was not just cold and methodical. It was that, but

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Speaker 6: it was also rageful and disregulated too. He was triumphing

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Speaker 6: over her. It was his final dominance and triumph.

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Speaker 12: The body our friend wasn't in transphoned and just to

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Speaker 12: a well of ship and just getting here. He appears

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Speaker 12: that okay, a flood. He's laying next to his bead

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Speaker 12: offer his best than the blood. I think people us

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Speaker 12: are going to be.

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Speaker 3: More than that, okay, and how he's obviously upringing.

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Speaker 5: Like how to like like how to all you.

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Speaker 12: Know, because it says he looked like I can't look okay,

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Speaker 12: all right, I understand.

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Speaker 1: Bob Shelton and I very deep deep in court filings,

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Speaker 1: we learn that Denique Tepi was shot multiple times, not

635
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Speaker 1: just Spencer, Monique as well her children in the next room.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing he unloaded his weapon on these two out

637
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Speaker 1: of rage. But what a trail he left for me

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Speaker 1: to follow crime stories with. Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 10: McKee spotted multiple times driving his silver SUV near Monique

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Speaker 10: in Spencer's home before the murderers. The vehicle has unique features.

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Speaker 1: Such as a sticker on.

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Speaker 10: A window and stolen Ohio license plate. The registration for

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Speaker 10: the suv is linked to past addresses. McKee previously lived

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Speaker 10: in the hospital where he worked.

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Speaker 1: To be such a brilliant vascular surgeon. Had he never

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Speaker 1: heard of Caitlin Armstrong, the glam yoga teacher. There she is.

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Speaker 1: She was caught on surveillance in her vehicle going around

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Speaker 1: and round. There she goes round and round the domicile

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Speaker 1: of her victim, Mariah Wilson a world class dirt bike racer,

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Speaker 1: or if he didn't follow glam yoga teacher Caitlin Armstrong,

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Speaker 1: has he never heard of Brian Cooburger? For Pete's sake, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I hope I never see that face again. Remember how

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Speaker 1: many times his white Elantra was caught circling round and

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Speaker 1: round and round, even caught on video. Same thing here,

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Speaker 1: doctor McKees suv is caught circling and circling Monique's home,

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Speaker 1: not just the night of the murders, but before that,

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Speaker 1: many many times, like Caitlin Armstrong, like Brian Kiberger. And then,

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Speaker 1: to make matters worse, his suv is seized in the

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Speaker 1: hospital parking lot while the good doctor is at work,

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Speaker 1: like that's not embarrassing. But to Jolenamandenburg joining US investigator, reporter,

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Speaker 1: The Mirror, the Irish Star, the Express, he had scraped

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Speaker 1: off a very identifiable sticker in between the time and

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Speaker 1: the murders and the time his car his vehicle was seized,

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Speaker 1: tell me about it.

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Speaker 2: So there was an identifiable sticker. I'm not one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent sure what the sticker was. However, they found scrape marks,

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Speaker 2: which was extremely obvious to police. However, the stolen Ohio

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00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: license plate that he was driving around with and sometimes

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Speaker 2: he was switching off to a fake Arizona license, which

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Speaker 2: it seems like the tags because it says the STUV

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Speaker 2: was bearing the Arizona TEMP tags.

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Speaker 1: So what he create fake.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly temporary registration and stick it to his vehicle thinking

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Speaker 2: that police wouldn't notice or be able to track him

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Speaker 2: just because he switched between licenses. It's very very interesting

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Speaker 2: considering what my investigations have uncovered about his past accusations

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Speaker 2: and his past of getting out of crimes, there's very

678
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Speaker 2: little problem with illegal behavior, even if he hasn't been

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Speaker 2: convicted for it before.

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Speaker 5: And granted, so.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the prior lawsuits where one guy, one

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Speaker 1: of his patients had a testicle amputite, and I'll let

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Speaker 1: you think about that for a few moments. Another one

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Speaker 1: allegedly had a slice of a cafe are stuck in

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Speaker 1: his leg that caused, according to the lawsuit, disfigurement. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Dave mac, I want to follow up on what Elinamandenburgh

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Speaker 1: just told us. I understand his vehicle had a stolen

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Speaker 1: Ohio license as well as displaying at the same time

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Speaker 1: an Arizona license, like, that's not going to get the

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Speaker 1: attention of the police. But think about Michelle Parker. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember her, Dave Matt because I will never forget her.

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Speaker 1: She was called the people Court mom. Yes she's dead,

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Speaker 1: and the reason I there she is on People's Court

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Speaker 1: with her husband. They were arguing over an engagement ring.

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Speaker 1: After this aired, within about seven or eight hours, she

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Speaker 1: goes missing and her hummer is found in a parking lot,

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Speaker 1: an innocuous parking lot, and the decals on the hummer

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Speaker 1: have all been scraped off, Dave Mac. When Michelle's vehicle

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Speaker 1: is found, all of that that was one of her companies,

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Speaker 1: she had multiple jobs, was scraped off, so no one

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Speaker 1: would identa by her hummer parked in a big parking

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Speaker 1: lot with the hundreds of other cars. See the comparison,

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Speaker 1: Dave Mac, tell me about doctor man Key's vehicle.

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Speaker 5: Same thing here, Nancy. You know, I don't think people

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Speaker 5: realize that when you scrape something off, you leave residue behind.

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Speaker 5: And it's not just that sticker that he scraped off

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Speaker 5: that was so obvious, Nancy, it's the cumulative effect of

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Speaker 5: all of the things associated with that suv that is

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Speaker 5: directly tied to McKee. You've got the stolen Ohio license plate,

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Speaker 5: You've got the Arizona tempt tag, both tied to McKee

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Speaker 5: or former employers. And then that's sticker. You've got this

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Speaker 5: sticker on the vehicle that is tracked on video. They

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Speaker 5: can see it. It's right there. They know the location

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Speaker 5: of the sticker, they know.

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Speaker 3: What it is.

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Speaker 5: And then when they find his car in the parking

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Speaker 5: lot in Rockford, Illinois where he works, oh wait a minute,

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Speaker 5: it's not there anymore. But we see the scrape marks

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Speaker 5: where it was taken off in a hurry. So that's

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Speaker 5: the shocking evidence. It's sitting right there for everybody to see.

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Speaker 5: Here's the car. There, it is in the neighborhood. Here

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Speaker 5: it is that the sticker.

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Speaker 3: Come on.

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Speaker 1: Vascular surgeon doctor McKee allegedly shoots his ex wife and

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Speaker 1: you did, his husband dead in their own beds, their

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Speaker 1: children wailing in the background.

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Speaker 11: This family's life was completely wreck these people.

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Speaker 1: Will Butcher joining us now a special guest, former police

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Speaker 1: commander out of Albuquerque domestic violence and stalking unit, author

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Speaker 1: of Stop Him From Killing Them his website, Stop Him

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Speaker 1: from Killing Them dot Com. Paul Zike joining US, Paul,

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Speaker 1: this is your wheelhouse way in.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 7: In my ten years of working domestic violence is stalking

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Speaker 7: related threat mitigation cases. Unfortunately, the reality is the victim

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Speaker 7: is never completely in the clear. In this case, you

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Speaker 7: have threats to kill if you take stalking and threats

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Speaker 7: to kill you put them together. These are these are

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Speaker 7: statements of future intent when you're dealing with these types

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Speaker 7: of individuals, and future intent means it could be a

741
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Speaker 7: week from now, it could be ten years from now,

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Speaker 7: and unfortunately the lesson still has not been learned. And

743
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Speaker 7: that is when these type of men who have decided

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Speaker 7: life without you is not worth living. It's not a

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Speaker 7: matter of if, it's when, And in this case, I

746
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Speaker 7: think that's exactly what we ran into.

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Speaker 1: Paul Zike joining US Domestic Violence stalking expert, Paul, are

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Speaker 1: you surprised that a guy as brilliant as doctor Michael

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Speaker 1: McKee must be would leave a trail a mile wide

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Speaker 1: would be caught on a neighbor's surveillance video we think

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Speaker 1: jumping the fence which is the curtilage, and staying for

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Speaker 1: hours in the home. Are you surprised he would make

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Speaker 1: that very very glaring error.

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Speaker 13: I'm not a surprised at all, And in that moment,

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Speaker 13: it's just very methodical.

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Speaker 7: He's not really thinking about consequences really of any kind.

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Speaker 7: And to be good at what he does, he needs

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Speaker 7: to surveil, He needs to know how to get into

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Speaker 7: the residents and the fact that you know he's there beforehand,

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Speaker 7: that is just what stalkers do. In every stalking case

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Speaker 7: we have where somebody ends up dead, we find out

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Speaker 7: that the stalker knows a lot more information about the

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Speaker 7: individuals that are murdered than we ever thought they knew.

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Speaker 7: And I would not be very surprised at all in

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Speaker 7: this case to find out that he has a lot

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Speaker 7: more information and knew a lot more information than anyone

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Speaker 7: thought that he was in possession of.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by more information than we thought

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Speaker 1: he possessed? You mean, has he hacked into their email?

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, if somebody is obsessed to this point,

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Speaker 13: and obviously they haven't moved on for years and years,

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Speaker 13: what they're doing is they're gathering intelligence information, whether it's

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Speaker 13: through a friend of a friend of a friend, social media,

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Speaker 13: maybe gaining access through you know knowme shared or pass

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Speaker 13: passwords to get into you know, email accounts. The ability

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Speaker 13: to once fixated on someone, to gather information about what

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Speaker 13: they're doing and why they're doing it and where they're

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Speaker 13: going to be next, and and literally to methodically play

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Speaker 13: this out is not a very hard thing to do.

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Speaker 7: Most people don't do this because they have lives.

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Speaker 13: The fact that he was a vascular surgeon, that's a

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Speaker 13: that's a conduct inhibitor that would have normally stopped this

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Speaker 13: person from engaging in this behavior because they have a

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Speaker 13: lot to lose. But it just goes to show you

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Speaker 13: the the the evil you know, that creeps into the

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Speaker 13: stalking realm of criminality where they just can't stop themselves.

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Speaker 13: And and once they fixated on on on their target

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Speaker 13: and unfortunately this this poor uh you know woman and

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Speaker 13: her husband, there's not a lot you can do to

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Speaker 13: stop them ahead of time unless you're way out in

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Speaker 13: front of them, and clearly that did not happen.

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Speaker 3: In this case.

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Speaker 1: As we go to air tonight, the state is still

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Speaker 1: building its case against doctor Michael McKee and the double

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Speaker 1: murders of Monique and Spencer Teppee. As is the defense

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Speaker 1: if you know or think you know anything about this case,

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Speaker 1: even if you think it's inconsequential please dial six one four,

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Speaker 1: six four five two two two eight. Repeat six one four, six, four,

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Speaker 1: five two two two eight. We remember an American hero,

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Corey Ride, Utah County Sheriffs, shot in the line

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Speaker 1: of duty after nineteen years of service, leaving behind wife

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Speaker 1: turned widow, Nanette, and five children. American Hero Sergeant Corey Ride.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,