WEBVTT - Phrogging

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome fact to another episode of Real Time Crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host b Lamar, and I have with me

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend. Oh my goodness, we're really progressing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is nice. Well, I mean, Adam and I did FaceTime

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<v Speaker 1>you on fourth of July when we were on the

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<v Speaker 1>paddle a swan paddle boat on a lake, which has

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<v Speaker 1>jumped up to the top of the list of some

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite memories and experiences to be uh at

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<v Speaker 1>a Fourth of July party and get a FaceTime like

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<v Speaker 1>huh and and turn it on and see the two

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<v Speaker 1>of you on a giant swan paddle voting around the pond.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it was the surprise I never knew I wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very sad that that's one of your top favorite memories.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, you know, the pond is symbolic of Adam

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<v Speaker 1>living across the pond, so and how when you see

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<v Speaker 1>each other it's like lying on a swan with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pedal just so everyone knows he's not here

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<v Speaker 1>right now. He's hiding in my wall. But that'll be

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to you later when we get to our main story,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about frogging with p Like when you say

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<v Speaker 1>you're like fat with the pH. So not a real frog. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not a real frog. It's someone who hides in the

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<v Speaker 1>walls of your home or in the attic or in

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<v Speaker 1>the basement or anywhere in your home and stocks you

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<v Speaker 1>and watches you. But more on that later because that

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<v Speaker 1>is the story for our second half of the episode today.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have a special guest, Jessica Everleth, who is

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<v Speaker 1>the EP on this new show called frogg Gang, which

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<v Speaker 1>will be out on Lifetime. You guys, I am. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw the screener and I'm disturbed. Disturbed. You gotta listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this interview. The show is uh so cringe worthy

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that you just you literally are so

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to move when you're watching it. I literally sat

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<v Speaker 1>there clutching my blanket, listening to every possible noise I

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<v Speaker 1>could ever happen and trying to justify what it could be.

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<v Speaker 1>And then very scaredly, took a flashlight and checked every

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<v Speaker 1>nooking coronia of my house like a psycho. And did

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<v Speaker 1>you call Adam afterward and telling you we're scared? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to come all the way back to

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<v Speaker 1>l A. I'm scared, alright. But before we get to

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<v Speaker 1>that story. Let's get to our hot topics, shall we. Alright, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>first hot topic for today. Oh man, this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where it's like, we gotta get Teddy's

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<v Speaker 1>take on this. Jen Shaw Real Housewives of Salt Lake

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<v Speaker 1>City cast member, please guilty to telemarketing fraud. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Shaw played guilty Monday to defrauding hundreds of victims,

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<v Speaker 1>including some elderly, in a year's long telemarketing scheme. She

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a pre argument. Federal sentencing guidelines range eleven

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<v Speaker 1>to fourteen years. Is in prison, although I'm sure she'll

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<v Speaker 1>go in the Martha Stewart route, which is just a

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<v Speaker 1>little ankle bracelet. As part of a plea argument, Sara

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<v Speaker 1>will pay six point five mill and forfeiture and up

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<v Speaker 1>to nine point five mill and restitution. She was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>in one while Bravo was filming the second season of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and she consistently professed her innocence, going as

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<v Speaker 1>far as to stay in as tagline for the show

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<v Speaker 1>that said, the only thing I'm guilty of is being

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<v Speaker 1>Shaw Amazing and saying that is you're guilty enough that

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<v Speaker 1>that allowment I would lock her up. You're guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>being annoying? Who who was like, Yeah, that's a great tagline.

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<v Speaker 1>Her guilty plea came as she was set to go

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<v Speaker 1>to trial in federal court in Manhattan. They said that

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<v Speaker 1>since Shaw and others sold so called quote unquote business

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<v Speaker 1>services to alleged victims, including website design services to some

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<v Speaker 1>elderly individuals who didn't even own computers, I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>much of a pos do you gotta be? Shaw and

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<v Speaker 1>others also identified and sold as leads the names of

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<v Speaker 1>individuals who they knew would be defrauded by others. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just trash human behavior. Prosecutor said. Shaw supervised

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<v Speaker 1>the salespeople who lied directly to the victims of the scheme.

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<v Speaker 1>She sought to hide her role in the fraud by

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<v Speaker 1>using encrypted messaging apps, placing companies in the name of

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<v Speaker 1>family and others, and setting up an offshore bank account

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<v Speaker 1>and business operations in Kosovo. She also underreported her income

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<v Speaker 1>on tax returns for several years. Prosecutors say Shaw spent

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<v Speaker 1>the proceeds from the fraud on her extravagant lifestyle. As

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<v Speaker 1>we trade on the reality show sentencing in the cases

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled for November, Shaw told the judge, I knew this

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong. I know many people were harmed names so sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I know. I feel so badly for her, Like

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<v Speaker 1>she just got caught up and she denied it for years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>said she had nothing to do with it, and she

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<v Speaker 1>finally came clean. And it's not because she turned things

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<v Speaker 1>around and she realized is the error of ever wig

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<v Speaker 1>she did. What people do they got busted, they're facing something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a punishment, and they're gonna say, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I've realized that was wrong and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what happened, and blah blah blah, you did it,

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<v Speaker 1>live with it. I mean. That's the other thing too,

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<v Speaker 1>is that I wonder if it was like a Chicken

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<v Speaker 1>or the egg situation where she had to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a way to make more money to be more attractive

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<v Speaker 1>for the show, or if she was always going to

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<v Speaker 1>do this sort of like horrible behavior, if this is

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<v Speaker 1>who she is innately as a person, And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it did because since she's been yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, I take that back. It's been since that

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<v Speaker 1>she's been scamming old people without computers for website services

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<v Speaker 1>and then selling their personal information. So yeah, that's way

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<v Speaker 1>before the show. Yeah, yeah, she's a bad person. And

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<v Speaker 1>then somehow she ended up getting fame for something else

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<v Speaker 1>and luckily, you know, in a in a karmic way.

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<v Speaker 1>Season two, she gets arrested, like the whole thing comes

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<v Speaker 1>crashing down. Potentially that's what she wanted, was fame in

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<v Speaker 1>the set and then and then it you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>lost it all because she made stupid I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to call the mistakes because she was aware of what

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<v Speaker 1>she was doing. I feel like there's so much crime

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<v Speaker 1>involved with the reality shows. There's always something happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's very confusing. It's like, what's up with the background

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<v Speaker 1>checks on these people? Or do they have to check

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<v Speaker 1>the income statements to make sure that you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean it's so interesting. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>also think that she pled guilty because she knew that

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to get caught. Yeah. Probably, But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, it's it's real housewives, right, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>apparently what some of them are doing. There's a housewives

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, I mean that's true, but he's a

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<v Speaker 1>job just kidding. Well, I mean, and I know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people want to go to like, I have

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<v Speaker 1>zero tolerance for taking advantage of senior citizens kids. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you should take advantage of anybody or

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<v Speaker 1>con them or scammed them. But that's the works. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the easy targets, and it's the people that can't defend themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you morally are okay with that, then you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're sicker than just that, you know, which is weird

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<v Speaker 1>to say, than a normal criminal. But yeah, I also

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<v Speaker 1>think that being on the reality show is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that did her in because it brought so much

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<v Speaker 1>attention to her finances. I think if she had never

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<v Speaker 1>been on the reality show, she might not have been

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<v Speaker 1>caught because who no one knew who she was. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good point. That's just my take, that's my heart's take. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense. And you know what good good it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's often it right, It's it's people being greedy, are

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<v Speaker 1>always wanting more in something that ends up being their downfall.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what happened here. I hear that, like

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<v Speaker 1>I want Adam to get a visa or a green

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<v Speaker 1>card and just him not being here is not good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I want more. I just wanted to make this about

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<v Speaker 1>me somehow. Okay, but I'll be your downfall, That'll be

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<v Speaker 1>your uplifting. I'm very excited for us, for us, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for all three of us together, when we live in

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<v Speaker 1>a home together. I actually have some I don't I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna take about now. I have blueprints for a

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<v Speaker 1>swan boat that fits three my dream. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>I needed this until now. Also, I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, text tech company sells our our personal information

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, our email addresses, our phone numbers or addresses.

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<v Speaker 1>All this information is getting shared all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're always constant breaches or social scurity numbers getting stolen.

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<v Speaker 1>This is getting stolen. It's like at this point when

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<v Speaker 1>I see that there's been my email has been you know,

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<v Speaker 1>oh you're part of a breach, I'm like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even changed my email address. Like find whatever you need?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you I have nothing to hide? Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>number two, Like there's nothing to get from there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna be like scripts that never made it right.

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<v Speaker 1>And and trust me, you cannot sell those I'll know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see your ass and you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>I think what she did is different because what she

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<v Speaker 1>did was prey on these people first, and then once

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<v Speaker 1>she realized that they were kind of gold standard for

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<v Speaker 1>skin ming, gave the information to other people so that

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<v Speaker 1>they could continue to be scammed. Right. Uh. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know I come across as like a high and mighty here, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do this. So I'll be honest, though, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what's really going on in my head

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<v Speaker 1>right now, I'm fascinated by the fact that she sold

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<v Speaker 1>website designed to people who didn't have computers, Like, how

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<v Speaker 1>does that conversation go? No, She's an amazing saleswoman and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to take a course from her. This feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a Jordan Bell for a situation where people are like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you did something shitty, but how do we make money? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's she's a good saleswoman. I'm not, again

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<v Speaker 1>not condoning it, but I'm fascinated by it. Fascinated fascinated.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's like selling milk at a hardware store.

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<v Speaker 1>How did she do that? Alright, So just moving on

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<v Speaker 1>to the next story, speaking of stealing from people among

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<v Speaker 1>her stole sixty dollar role X Pistol whipped a woman

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<v Speaker 1>outside California Market. And look, of course it's an armed robber.

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<v Speaker 1>It's California, baby, We're a crime country now. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>the police are still searching for two suspects who stole

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<v Speaker 1>man sixt k gold rolex and pistol whipped his female

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<v Speaker 1>companion outside a grocery store on Monday. K ABC TV

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<v Speaker 1>captured the victims kneeling behind their vehicle and a parking

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<v Speaker 1>lot outside Ranch Market and Rolling Heights, which is near

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<v Speaker 1>l A on Saturday afternoon, and the woman screaming during

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<v Speaker 1>the frightening assault. Obviously she's pistol whipped. The pair were

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<v Speaker 1>set upon as they loaded groceries into their car. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the suspects, Pisto whipped the guy, knocking him to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground while robbing him of his luxury. We watch

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<v Speaker 1>the second attast attacker then assaulted the woman with his

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<v Speaker 1>weapon and the suspects apparently we're wearing black hoodies and

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<v Speaker 1>gray sweatpants, so just any boy in l A. And

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<v Speaker 1>they took off in a white dog challenger. I just

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<v Speaker 1>gotta say, don't park next to challengers. Anyone who's got

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<v Speaker 1>a Dodge challenger is looking for trouble that car. The

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<v Speaker 1>accelerator goes too fast for normal people. It just you

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<v Speaker 1>put your foot on and it's a hundred miles per

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<v Speaker 1>hour and you were just at zero. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>partner next to a challenger, just letting you know this

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<v Speaker 1>could be your fault. I'm not saying they were partners

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<v Speaker 1>to a challenger. I'm just saying, look out in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>I think twice before you part next to a challenger.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our public safety tip, thank you. And also, they

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<v Speaker 1>had paper license plates. I just I like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of it being like a paper plate, like a little

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<v Speaker 1>an it. Well, I'll give California this because not too

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<v Speaker 1>long ago we didn't have those. People would just have

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<v Speaker 1>a dealer sticker or whatever. There was no license plate,

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<v Speaker 1>and so people would not change their plates forever, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was impossible to track those cars. Well, the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that these robbers were between twenty and thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>and they both had semi automatic guns. Look, I just

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<v Speaker 1>think we I understand the right to bear arms. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any civilian needs a semi automatic weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm against guns, but I just say, how are civilians

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<v Speaker 1>and semi automatic weapons. That leads me to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>they're either involved with the military, or involved with a

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<v Speaker 1>huge gang or in some sort of like big crime. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, how do you get semi automatic guns?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And like you said, there's no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to have those. But when you look back and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that these guys just got pistol whipped, which means

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<v Speaker 1>they were hit with the gun, right, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>could have been way worse. Yeah, I mean, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's unfair to blame the people for wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>gold Rolex. You're allowed to be a human being. Those

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<v Speaker 1>things exist so that you can wear them. You should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to go into public and not be assaulted

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<v Speaker 1>and robbed. I don't think it's his fault. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>his fault, but you if you're going, if you choose

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, you are putting yourself more at risk

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<v Speaker 1>than not. So I'm not saying you're inviting it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that you should. It's your fault investination, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be aware of the fact that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing that, you I am someone that's I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm always alert on that alerted on stuff from

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<v Speaker 1>on high alert. I should say, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's from watching a bunch of stuff or reading stories

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. So I feel like I always know something.

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<v Speaker 1>When I walk into a restaurant, I scanned the room

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, Okay, that person is that or it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a it's not like a profile thing. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just look around to seat to know the situation. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like if I were to be wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>six dollar watch, which I would never do, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I would be constantly like looking around because I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would be on edge knowing that this is

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<v Speaker 1>out there flashing. Okay, I'm gonna be honest. We recorded

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<v Speaker 1>the second half of this podcast first, and Dmitri tells

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<v Speaker 1>a personal story from his childhood and says he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have PTSD from it, but what he just told me

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<v Speaker 1>lets me know he definitely has PTS. The second I

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere, I look at all my surroundings and look

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<v Speaker 1>at everyone around me. That's not PTSD. That's just being

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<v Speaker 1>that's just being safe. That's being careful. Like the more

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<v Speaker 1>alert you are, the less you'll be surprised by something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you think that there will be a

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<v Speaker 1>decrease in sales of luxury goods. I don't think there

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<v Speaker 1>will be. I just think people will probably wear their

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<v Speaker 1>luxury goods out less frequently unless they're around other people

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<v Speaker 1>who are also doing the same thing, like at a

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<v Speaker 1>high end nightclub where their security or something where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you have those high end things? Because you

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<v Speaker 1>want to wear them out and be seen with them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's very like and I know there's people that

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<v Speaker 1>lock them up and only wear them on special occasions

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, to me, what's the point of

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<v Speaker 1>having that, Like it's not me to begin with, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not my style. But uh, if you had that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to hide it, you want to only

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<v Speaker 1>wear at certain times you want to? I don't just

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see the reward on that. The downside is clear.

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<v Speaker 1>We just talked about it. Yeah, I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 1>got an expensive item for the first time in my

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<v Speaker 1>entire life and it's you. I'm not, actually I am,

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<v Speaker 1>And I am treating it like a child, like I

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<v Speaker 1>put it back in its crib when we come home

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<v Speaker 1>and the crib has a lock on it. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>that is what will happen to my baby. It will

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<v Speaker 1>be locked in a crib and not allowed to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't just don't even put that on the recording. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that. What may I ask what this item is?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want anyone to steal my baby? Well no,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't lock them. There are froggers around, Dmitri.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the what is this item that we've indulged

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves with. Um, it's a bag. I got a nice

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<v Speaker 1>bag when I was in Paris with Adam and I've

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<v Speaker 1>never owned a nice bag before, so I'm never worried.

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<v Speaker 1>So now when I do go out, if I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to place that I think will either a be dirty

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<v Speaker 1>or be like if I'll have to put the bag

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<v Speaker 1>down somewhere. Um, I usually just bring my backpack instead. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>but do you feel like if you when you take

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<v Speaker 1>that bag out? Right, do you feel like are you like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm holding this expensive bag? And do you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>people are noticing it? Does it put you on it?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the that's the whole point of Maitri. But I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's interesting because I think the people who care, notice,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who recognize brand names, notice, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>other people who also have the notice, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>think people who are trying to take advantage of you

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<v Speaker 1>also notice it's a double edged sword. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also like, why do I care about people noticing

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<v Speaker 1>that I have a nice bag? Why do I care

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<v Speaker 1>to have a nice bag? Let's into that. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I just um, one of our other producers just

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<v Speaker 1>sent a chat that said, Burke and baby like I

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<v Speaker 1>hear you. You know it's um. I think women really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy bags and shoes. And I don't mean that in

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<v Speaker 1>a derogatory way. I think it's like a like almost

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like a fun self worth thing to be

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<v Speaker 1>like I love this designer and there their luxury items

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm proud to wear um and I'm proud to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap this designer and it makes me feel confident, makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel good, it makes me feel beautiful and glamorous,

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<v Speaker 1>and I enjoy all those things. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any designer shoes. I'm working on one step at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, you guys, And uh, I just have a bag.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, um, I got sent some jewelry that is expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, those are those orthopedic sneakers, you are those

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<v Speaker 1>aren't designer they're just general. Yeah, they weren't Balinciaga, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can believe that, And um, I would send some

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<v Speaker 1>nice jewelry. And I do think about where I wear it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you just but you just that's fine for me. You

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<v Speaker 1>what you just said makes sense to me. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a perfect reason. If it makes you feel

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<v Speaker 1>good about yourself and it makes you feel you know, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it is, accomplished, confident, whatever, I think that's fine. But

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<v Speaker 1>with that comes the responsibility of being aware of where

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<v Speaker 1>you wear it and how you and how you carry it,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and I think it's important insurance on your

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<v Speaker 1>unquote expensive things. I mean, it's just like, why would

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<v Speaker 1>I need a house versus a one bedroom apartment. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want the space. I have other rooms that I want,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have other I want to set up

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<v Speaker 1>a studio and do this and that. You know, It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>why does anyone want more? Why does anyone want something

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<v Speaker 1>that's expensive? You know, It's like why do you buy

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<v Speaker 1>a certain top because it is the right color for me?

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me feel good and confident when I walk

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<v Speaker 1>into your room. You know, some people you walk into

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<v Speaker 1>a room and you know, a plastic bag people aren't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take it seriously. I think the first impressions are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this business and a lot about life too.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you go on the first date, the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>you do is see someone and whether or not they

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<v Speaker 1>care about wealth or items of wealth, they do probably

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<v Speaker 1>will care about aesthetic, you know. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>many people who go on the first date having no

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<v Speaker 1>clue what the person looks like. There are very few

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<v Speaker 1>blind dates, you know. So it's like you go because

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<v Speaker 1>you see their photos and you think, oh, this person

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<v Speaker 1>is attractive. It's the same thing with anything else. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, I just trying to make myself feel

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<v Speaker 1>better by the way, Yeah, I think, and it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what you're saying is totally fine. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I will say, which I just dawned on me

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<v Speaker 1>now and it's make come across as a slight, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely not. The difference is no. The difference is

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<v Speaker 1>you're single, right, you you're with you have a boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't have kids, right, And so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>fear me as a person like when I was single,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was just me going places, I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>fear much, right, But when you have other people, especially

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<v Speaker 1>younger people that are that looked to you, and you

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<v Speaker 1>now you have to protect them. You become a little

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<v Speaker 1>So what I have warned something. I would never have

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<v Speaker 1>a six rocks. I just don't think unless someone gave

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<v Speaker 1>it to me would I have warned that is something

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<v Speaker 1>I need to tell you. You've got me a gift.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something outside your Yeah, yeah, I get um what

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<v Speaker 1>I have done more quote unquote careless type of things

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<v Speaker 1>or yeah, I probably would have, but now I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>less open to it because there's other people. Then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>putting other people in danger. I get that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to each his own m it makes sense. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you have that baby locked in the crib, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you'll think differently as well. Well, busy, be able to breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't want anyone coming and taking my baby

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<v Speaker 1>a mentally ill Okay, So moving on to the theme

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<v Speaker 1>of today, which is stealing from our hot topics. American

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<v Speaker 1>Airlines passenger accused of stealing ten thousand dollars mid air

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<v Speaker 1>from fellow flyers. So he did this during the trip

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<v Speaker 1>from Buenos Aries to Miami on Tuesday. Diego Sebastian Radio

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like his last name is not pronounced radio,

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<v Speaker 1>but here we are. It can't be but right, could

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<v Speaker 1>be radio radio. I don't know. I wanted to roll

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<v Speaker 1>my arm. Let me live. That's why you have five

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<v Speaker 1>hours on your TikTok. Yeah. Leonmar allegedly also stole more

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<v Speaker 1>than fourteen thousand Argentine pasos, which is about ten USD,

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<v Speaker 1>and two credit cards from two other passengers during the

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<v Speaker 1>July five flight. At least one flight attendant noticed some

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious activity midflight, and, according to the affidavit signed by

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<v Speaker 1>a passenger, noticed that radio initially paced the aisle of

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<v Speaker 1>the plane and then took an unassigned seat near one

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<v Speaker 1>of the victims. The crime was discovered when a flighted

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<v Speaker 1>and asked the passenger to check her belongings and discover

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<v Speaker 1>that several items were missing. Uh so he's now in

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<v Speaker 1>custody and he was arrested by Customs and Border patrol

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<v Speaker 1>and after the missing items were found in his possession,

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<v Speaker 1>this is when he was arrested. Obviously. I mean again,

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<v Speaker 1>this goes into the same thing. Are are you just

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, are you? Are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more mindful on flights about what sort of bags

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<v Speaker 1>you bring, like would you might maybe not bring a

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Vuitton luggage because someone's watching and could steal. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't actually personally heard of people stealing on flights before.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why because there's nowhere to go. So this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is an idiot, like he stole stuff. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to steal something on a plane, you have nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>to go. So if you're going to do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like I'm giving tips to these people, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is my opinion. If you're going to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>take something, Take something from the person next to you,

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<v Speaker 1>Take something for this. But the guy's walking awkwardly up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the aisle, sitting in different seats, taking a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of stuff from different people. That's just that's begging

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<v Speaker 1>to be caught. And you can't get away. You're on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane. No, there's nowhere to go. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>literally nowhere to run or hide. And this guy, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what did he I don't know what he thought. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he might have been on drugs, who knows. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you think you're gonna get away with that? But I um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think people do kind of let their guards down

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<v Speaker 1>when they're flying. You know, they're either thinking about not

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<v Speaker 1>dying and crashing, or they're crying watching a movie, or

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<v Speaker 1>they're passed out trying to get a quick nap in

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<v Speaker 1>before they get off the plane. And also because you

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<v Speaker 1>just assumed that no one would do it, because it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>where are you going to go? You cannot run from

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<v Speaker 1>this crime. I mean, I'm I don't know. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of weird experiences on airplanes, but it's all

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<v Speaker 1>just been with annoying people who have bothered me. So

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<v Speaker 1>I had to switch seats. Nothing to do with someone's

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<v Speaker 1>stealing from me. Yeah, well, but you go ahead. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>listening this One time, I um was flying to abisa

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<v Speaker 1>well and I dropped my invisilne case on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like a full on Mr Bean at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, just like look, look, look, look like everything

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<v Speaker 1>was falling out and the case slid all the way

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<v Speaker 1>to the front of the plane, and the guy sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in the front was a very elderly man. He was

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<v Speaker 1>reacting like a spaceship like an alien craft had. He

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.399
<v Speaker 1>was like what is this And I was like, I'm

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:32.479
<v Speaker 1>so sorry, that's my invisible and he took it out

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 1>and put it in his mouth and yeah, I'm like,

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.679
<v Speaker 1>they don't give you teeth, Um, they just mold the

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>ones you have. But yeah, and then I had this

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 1>rabbi once and next to me after a traumatic time

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 1>in Panama City trying to get back to New York

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and all my flights being canceled and the airport being

0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 1>shut down and there being no food and water for

0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>over twenty four hours, and I didn't speak Spanish. This

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.400
<v Speaker 1>rabbi was like, oh, you should have children by now.

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 1>You shouldn't be an artist. And I was like, I

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>have to move this seat. This was the most traumatic

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.439
<v Speaker 1>part of that that I'd rather have my wallet stolen

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 1>than have to like listen to someone tell me what

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I should be doing with my life. And I'm like,

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 1>you're a man of the Lord, you know, yeah, just

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>leave me alone anyway. Um So, Dmitri, do you have

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>any worse experiences on a flight? No? Mine are always

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 1>just you know, an annoyances. I've never had something, um,

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>super bad happened on a flight. Um So no, I've

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.160
<v Speaker 1>never been you know, nothing where like It's it's more

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like people get angry, you know, or people start yelling

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.320
<v Speaker 1>or something like that at me. But people start yelling

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 1>and then it's just kind of like the flight attendant. Like,

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 1>I've been on a couple of things where they had

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to like take them off before the flight left, but

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.120
<v Speaker 1>nothing outrageous. I've never been on anything with with punches

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>thrown or anything, thank you know, thank goodness, anything too bad.

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.679
<v Speaker 1>But it's you know, it's a you're you're in an

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 1>enclosed tube and you're in there for a long period

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of time, and people's personalities come out in different ways,

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.200
<v Speaker 1>so there's there's always the possibility of something. My favorite

0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>thing that happened to me recently was there was a

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:05.239
<v Speaker 1>girl who her her ticket kept beeping red and she

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>was yelling at the flight attendant. There's this huge line

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>behind her trying to get onto the plane. Everyone's trying

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 1>to get on the plane. She was like, scan it again,

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>scan it again. I just changed the ticket. This is like,

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 1>please scan it again. That's my seat number. And she

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 1>just had the completely wrong flight. And when she walked away,

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 1>I thought everyone was going to start applying because it

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 1>was she was. I mean, the amount of self righteousness

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>was unbelievable. I was like that saw that coming from

0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:36.360
<v Speaker 1>mile away. Yeah. And by the way, be gracious about it, like,

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.679
<v Speaker 1>just even if that was the right, it's hilarious that

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>it was a wrong flight. People don't want to help

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>you when you're being an ass. I've learned this, and

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad she wasn't on my flight. I was like,

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 1>if this is how she is now, But then, to

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>be fair, I probably would have also been her if

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I was very sure it was like scan it again. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, let's take a quick break before we bring

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 1>on our amazing guest for today and talk about Frogging,

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>which you're not gonna want to miss because it is

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>absolutely terrified. I give it a ten out of ten. Cringe.

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, we'll be right back and we're back to

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>real time crime. You guys. I'm very excited about our

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>guest and equally as excited to talk about the show

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>that she is an ep on and dear God, Dmitri,

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you watched the first episode. You

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>know we get privilege information sometimes lucky us. Well I know,

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I know. Yeah, that's my parents said. Um and and

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the whole show is called frogging Hyder in my house.

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Think about that. You already have a picture the picture

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.399
<v Speaker 1>in your head is correct. The show is going to

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>premiere Monday, n Central. So everyone, we have with us

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>here our special guests today. Jessica ever left, Hi Jessica. Hi.

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>With you guys so incredible, haven't you here with us today?

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I watched the first episode and we already told our

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 1>listeners were spoiled. We got an early copy, and I'm

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.479
<v Speaker 1>blown away and disturbed and terrified and now thinking that

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.479
<v Speaker 1>someone is living in my walls. I mean, everybody's going

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to think that right after they watched the show. It's

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>incredible and there each one of them could be their

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 1>own horror movie. These are stranger than fiction stories. Um,

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>each one could be, like I said, its own movie.

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I just thought. My thought was, these are all going

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>to be made into separate Netflix movies. Absolutely definitely. Each

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>story is almost as unbelievable as the next. Agree and

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>sorry to me, trade go for it. No, what I

0:27:58.359 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say is I have a problem. I can

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a news article and think, oh, well, that's weird. So

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I did see one recently about someone that was living

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>in someone's attic, and I thought that's weird, but probably

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>just you know, on anomaly or something. And then this

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 1>show comes and you know, see the trailer and I

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 1>see the first episode and I'm like, crap, this is

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 1>something that happens a lot. So so I went from

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.199
<v Speaker 1>being able to dismiss it to now being terrified and

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>like every little noise I here in the house, I'm like, Okay, well,

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I got a whole community up there. That's great. Yeah, exactly,

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>It's more common than you think. And when we dug

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>into our research, we found two cases immediately immediately, which

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>means that there are so many. Yeah, and there's two

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>stories per hour in frogging, so there's twenty stories and

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>they're just they're just wild. Okay. So first of all,

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't do well. I know we have a true

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>gram podcast, but historically I don't do well with horror.

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Anything that seems like a psychological thriller really disturbs me.

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>And I did not sleep well last night. I do

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>blame you. There is a monster under the bed. Now

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm convinced. Now I'm checking every closet door, I'm checking

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 1>every nook and cranny of my house every time I

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>walk in. I mean, that's what will happen to everyone

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>once they start watching the show. Absolutely, they're gonna have

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>to check their crawl spaces, their addicts behind any kind

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of false walls that they have ums. I would prefer

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a monster or a ghost as opposed to a real

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>person in my wall or in my attic. Bunny, you

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>mentioned ghosts. Most people believe that they had a ghost

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>in their house before they jumped to the conclusion they

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>had an intruder. That's what was really funny, because it

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of starts off slowly, where things disappear or they move,

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>they disappear, then reappear somewhere else. Um food starts to disappear,

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>and they hear footsteps, maybe some kind of like disembody

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>voice that's really just a faint voice they're hearing from

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>another room, and they think they have a ghost in

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the house. I would until they you know, I would.

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I would rather have a pastor come into my house

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and perform an exorcism. And I'm Jewish than for there

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to be an actual human hiding in my walls. And

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and Jessica, just to the listeners have a better understanding

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>in your own words, can you describe what frogging is

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Frogging is My understanding is when it's not squatting, it's

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>when someone is living in your house at the same time,

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>unbeknown for you. So it's kind of like the movie

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Parasite where the family was living in the basement at

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the same time as the other family that's frogging. And

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the house is the targets of the frogging, or

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it's the person. So when it's the person, it's really

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>more of a stalking frogger situation, which is even more scary.

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>There was that image that I saw of someone removing

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like the electrical outlet and just you see eyes peering

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>through it. So what do you what is the what

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>do you find is the most common reason? Is it

0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that they just need a place to live or is

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>it that they're doing creepy pervy stuff. Um, I would

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>say most of the time it's creepy stuff. Occasionally it's

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>somebody just needed someplace to live for free and see it.

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>But there are a lot of stalking cases, so yeah,

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>they want to spy. Or there's a neighbor who now

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>is fixated on the person living in a nearby apartment

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and they they're like a peeping tom, you know. But

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>now they're frogging. They're living above their space. So we've

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>had a few of those as well. So it's it's

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>very scary, especially for a woman who lives alone. You know,

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine. Yeah, I'm sorry. Are there any cases

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>where the frogger was allowed to claim squatters rights? No,

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 1>The people who were caught were arrested in various charges

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>breaking an enter room, stalking, um some assault charges. Yeah,

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>so it was it's a serious prime it's not it's

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>not swatting, Okay, And I just want to take it

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>back for two seconds and just talk about you for

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a second. Your career is so well rounded and it

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>seems super eclectic. You know, you've worked on some iconic shows,

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like true crime has always been a

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>passion of yours. I guess I'm just curious to know

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 1>what you love about true crime. Um Let started off

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>in documentaries and music, and I moved to l a

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago, and then my first job was working

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>on a true crime show with a famous blood spatter expert,

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Dr Henry Lee. So I think that's what kind of

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>launched my career in true crime. So that's that's just

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>been my lane crime investigation documentaries and and also I

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>hate to bring this up, but we do know you

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>worked on the r Kelly documentary and just so curious

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>to know your thoughts now that the ruling has come

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>to light. Yeah, I mean, I'm real. I'm glad the women, Um,

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're heard and there's been justice. He is

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>facing another trial. I think it's going to be televised

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to so there's one coming up in August, so it's

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna be interesting to see what happens. But I mean,

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm still blown away at the impact the

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>documentary have and you know, it's a very Um, it

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>was one of the most difficult things I've ever worked

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>on with one of the most important projects, if not

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the most important. I mean, you you brought justice to survivors.

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>That was the goal, and I'm really glad. You know,

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy for them. Do you think that he deserved

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>more than thirty years? Um? You know, it's it's interesting

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>because I think giz Lane Maxwell was sentenced the same

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>week and people were talking about that that she got

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty years and Artilly got thirty. So you know, I

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't at the trial. I don't know. Um, I just

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>know that the women needed to be protected and there's

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 1>he's facing a lot more. Um. You know, in terms

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of this trial coming up in Chicago. Wow. Yeah, well,

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 1>thank you for sending some light on that. I mean,

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>we've all been following in that story now obviously for

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a long time. M And okay, So moving on from

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>R Kelly. Unless a cat scream like of course, was

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>around a zoom when you work at home, you have

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a daughter cab so he does enter, so at least

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 1>you know what the at least you know what the

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>noises is not coming from the wall, not the frog,

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>not this time, thank god. Okay, So with frogging, how

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 1>did this idea come to you and how did you

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>even begin to find people who had been accosted by progress? Well,

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 1>the company came to me with the project. They had

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 1>developed it for some time and lifetimes excited about it.

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.399
<v Speaker 1>So having worked for lifetime in the past on surviving R. Kelly, um,

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>they told me about the project. It sounded really interesting

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>that it was non murder crime to work on. So

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 1>that was nice and nice reprieve from working on a

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of you know, other shows that are more you

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>know that are hard work on terms of victim impact.

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>But surprisingly these victims were all super traumatized. So here

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 1>he is it's making appearance. Um, these victims have residual trauma.

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 1>They don't feel safe in their own home and UM.

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>So yeah. And would you say that there have been

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 1>any shows that you've worked on, including this one, that

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>have left you traumatized? Well, I think Surviving R. Kelly

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 1>did because it was just so intense and there were,

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, constant threats going on. Um. I think it

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>was in the papers that you know, there was a

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>gun threat phoned in, UM to screening in New York.

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>So it was just you know, that was all in

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the newspapers. It was in a Rolling Stone and several newspapers,

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>so that was really intense. But I mean I'm always

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I always feel for the victims. When I worked on

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>a crime show, I don't just a job. It's like

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I have to feel I want, I feel connected to people, um,

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, who want to tell their stories. So UM,

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and then I actually keep in touch with people afterwards.

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>That's so nice. We haven't done that, you know. I mean,

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.879
<v Speaker 1>I haven't kept in touch with anyone in the last

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty years. I only know Dmitri but Jessica. Okay, so

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>there were ten episodes and every episode is two stories.

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Do they increase in intensity or is every episode just

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>banger so terrifying. Yeah, I think the first two stories

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>are the scariest, but then the last few stories are

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:37.240
<v Speaker 1>also very very scary. So the first and the second ones,

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>um could easily sustain an entire you know, to our

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 1>feature film. They're that bad. Could you give us a

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>brief synopsis of the one that scared you the most? Well,

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the first The first one is you know, um secret surgeon.

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Um that that story was very intense, and the family

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 1>came home, Um, they were on big pation. They confronted

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the frogger at the front door, but only after he

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 1>was hauled away and arrested. They found out that he

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>had been watching them for weeks and he had planned

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 1>on performing surgeries on them, and they found knives and

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 1>other things in the house. The second episode is also

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>very scary because the frogger was stalking and terrorizing the

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:24.280
<v Speaker 1>family for months. He was pretending to be the ghost

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>of one of the women's dead mother. So that's very intense.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.720
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was pretty so the frogger was pretending

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 1>to be a ghost. Um was only caught later and

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>then after that person got out of prison went on

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>to kill people, so they were lucky to be alive. Yes, yeah,

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and how did they catch him? Finally again, they saw

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>him in the house. They had left the house when

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 1>they heard noises, They confronted the frogger, they left, they

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>came back with the police and then the police who

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>got him out of no. No, I mean after he

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>committed the murders, there was a mad hunt. Oh I

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 1>am wow. Yeah. So is there a common through line

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of severe mental illness and a lot of the froggers Well,

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I used to referring to the first episode that you watched,

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I would say that one was little I think an

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 1>anomaly because he was it was a random He had

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.240
<v Speaker 1>fixated on the homeowners, but he didn't know them before.

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Where's the second episode I'm referring to. There was a

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>relationship with the people who lived in the house. So

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the frogger was really a stalker. So when it's random,

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it's it's I guess, not as scary. But even still,

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 1>after the frogger is caught, people do do not feel

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 1>safe in their home. No, I mean, I remember, I

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 1>don't want to give anything away, but watching the first

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>story and seeing that there were notes left about like

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:59.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, start planting equipment and and you know in

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.279
<v Speaker 1>cameras and this of stuff and all these notes. And

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because it's like, at what point do you

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>think that they want to get caught or do you

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 1>think that they're maybe in this case in specific, he

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>was just so delusional that he wasn't even thinking like that.

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 1>I think he was delusional. But I think they're also

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 1>very lucky they came home and confronted him. So had

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 1>they not, he could have just slipped back up into

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the attic and killed them in their sleep. And they

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 1>were they were completely vulnerable to him because he had

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>been there for a while and he knew about their

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>private life. And yeah, and he knew that he knew

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>their routine when they when they that's usually when people,

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, find the frauders, when they break through rougine

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and come home early or their schedule changes, and so

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll see a lot of that in the story,

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>when somebody comes someone from work early and they break

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the routine, they find the frauder. I'm cringing. So that's

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the article I had. I had read was somebody I

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 1>think was living in the attic for a while, and

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 1>what he would do is he'd come down in the

0:39:58.280 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night and he just sit there and

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 1>why true sleep and like video as well. And it's like,

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but there's some there's some weird stuff like

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>we're thinking, okay, people who are like, oh, I don't

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>have a big addic it ken't. But but they really

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.280
<v Speaker 1>there's there's some crafty ways that they live inside these houses,

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. Yeah. They can just kind of slip in

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.879
<v Speaker 1>and then hide in the closet and then slip back out.

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like they're just living in the closet.

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Seven are living in the crawl space. Seven they get out,

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>they can come and go and then they slip back

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.879
<v Speaker 1>and when they know the homeowners routine and then they

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>watch them. They watch them through air events. They drill

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>holes and walls, they remove electrical plates. Those are the ones.

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Those are the stocking stories again, but the ones that

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 1>are just kind of there because they want place to sleep. Um, yeah,

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>in general, they don't do that. The good news is

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>for me is none of my neighbors want anything to

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>do with me, so I feel pretty safe. See I

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:55.840
<v Speaker 1>am the opposite problem where it's like my ex boyfriend

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>is hiding behind electrical stock. I'm like, fine, we can

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 1>live together, but you put them there, so it's different.

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>It's different, and it's different. Um. But okay, So you

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 1>know the thing that's so terrifying about this is that

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>this seems like one of those things that the police

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't take seriously. Do you find that that happens? That

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.759
<v Speaker 1>homeowners would go to the police and report that they

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>felt like someone was in their house, and then they

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>were taken seriously or not taken seriously, and they do

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a search and they can't find anything, and then they're

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 1>called back. You'll see that on multiple stories. And that's

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>really not the police's fault. I mean, they've they've done

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>their best. They looked in every room, um, and you know,

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the frog are just slips out or there. They found

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>a great hiding spot and can remain undetected. And no

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>one would think to look in an air event well

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.879
<v Speaker 1>not really hiding in an air vent. They're looking through

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>an air event location. They need more room to stretch out.

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>This is good. This is good though for people that,

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>um that thought that they were safe. We've now added

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>another level to something that your mind didn't quite explore.

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>So make sure you watch this show alone and at

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>night in the pure darkness, check everything before you just

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>sorry what you think is alone, but maybe not. Another

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing that you know, ring cameras and surveillance cameras

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 1>they catch frauders too, So people find out they have

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 1>a frauder because you know those you know, those images

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>end up going to somebody's phone and then they're alerted,

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, at work. So those are pretty good at

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 1>catching froggers. So I haven't recommend those. That's so interesting

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>because if I was a frogger and I saw a

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>ring light, I would assume that they could see me

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:43.680
<v Speaker 1>or least plant them. Yeah. No, it's it's interesting. I mean,

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>especially in the first one where things are getting picked

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 1>up and it's like, wouldn't you want to put things

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:53.359
<v Speaker 1>back exactly where they were? Right? You know. I think

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting that it's clear that something is off and

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 1>they're not really putting in a lot of effort to

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.359
<v Speaker 1>make it feel like no one is there. But it's

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>probably a psychological thrill for them, right, because I mean,

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to sit there and watch someone, right,

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you want to see them kind of scared themselves or

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 1>react to stuff and not thinking that you're there watching them.

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the same thing as setting up a camera and

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:19.359
<v Speaker 1>watching people's reactions to stuff. So yeah, they probably do

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 1>leave it not exactly the same for that reason. Well,

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>dmitri as the frogging expert, Well just right though, I

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 1>mean people, Yeah, there are some really sinister froggers that

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>want to instill terror into some of these homeowners, and

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>so they enjoy watching them being frightened. This is so

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>absolutely terrifying to me, kind of like we're enjoying watching

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>be frightened right now. I'm so uncomfortable. I'm so uncomfortable.

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm literally sitting here just thinking about all my cabinets.

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like do I need I'm I'm like, do I

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 1>need to get a ring light? Right now? What would

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>you suggest to people to defend themselves against froggers or

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>what to do if they suspect they have a frogger

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 1>should probably just leave and and call the police that

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.799
<v Speaker 1>they really think there's somebody there, especially if they see

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 1>evidence that somebody's been in their home. Um, if they

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>have tried that, and then I would say get yea

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:15.919
<v Speaker 1>plants surveillance cameras all over the house, and I would

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.399
<v Speaker 1>venture to say that there's enough crazy in the world.

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:22.439
<v Speaker 1>There's enough crazy people in the world. Don't just turn

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>back to yourself and be like, I'm imagining this, I'm crazy.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Check it out first, and then like, don't just put

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>it on yourself and be like, oh, this is me,

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm crazy. No, there could be someone doing crazy stuff,

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and don't sell them short unless it's me, in which

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 1>case I probably am just crazy. That I think is

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 1>a nice combo. It's a nicet. It's like a surfing turf, exactly, exactly. Okay, So, um,

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 1>when when you were talking to the victims, was there

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 1>anything that stood out to you about, um, how they

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>felt or how they was there anything like a common

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>through line or um action that they all took, or

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>any sort of like big fights they got into families

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>with or anything like that, Because when someone else doesn't

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 1>believe you, it seems like that could really create tension

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.280
<v Speaker 1>to the point of divorce. Yeah. I mean some people

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>think that they're just under stressed, especially they live with

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.799
<v Speaker 1>another person, and or they think that, like I said,

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:23.879
<v Speaker 1>they think they have a ghost in the house. Um there. Yeah,

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>it does create a lot of tension when one person

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 1>is experiencing the broady and the other person isn't so. Um,

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>but I think, you know, finally, you know, like when

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>he was watching in the first episode, Um, the roommates,

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 1>when they found the man's handprints in the bathroom, that

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>was enough. They all they all got it. But they again,

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 1>they thought they had a ghost in the house too.

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I think this is the most uncomfortable I've ever been

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:54.359
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. Yeah, it is, it is. It's it's

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>quite creepy. And luckily, I mean for me, I'm the

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>type of person that likes to prove something. So if

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>my wife was like, there's somebody living here, I wouldn't

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 1>be the person that would go up in the attic

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and I would check everyth Now, see there's not just

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 1>so I could say, you see, there's not nothing to

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>worry about. But when I was little, I found out

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.879
<v Speaker 1>years later we had somebody that was like, I don't

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 1>know it was a runaway or somebody that that basically

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 1>had broken into our basement for a while and had

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 1>been staying there. But I think it was like I

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.279
<v Speaker 1>think our next door neighbor like knew them and was like, oh,

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 1>you can get in there, and basically, so we offered

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.959
<v Speaker 1>up our basement. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>this till years later my sister told me. But so

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it was permission, well kind of by someone that didn't

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to grant permission. But yes, and I used

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>to go down to that basement by myself all the time.

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I was when I found this out as an adult,

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what the therapy about this? Reach? No,

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>this is it. I didn't want to bother the therapist

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>or you know, but the insurance as a hassle. They

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>want to see the card and so I just forgot

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to bring it up at some point on this podcast. Wow,

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 1>this is the perfect time. Thank you so much. Okay, Also,

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>let me just say, um, Dmitri, I actually can't believe

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>you've never brought this up before. Well yeah, I think

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it was suppressing it until it just was like, oh,

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, somebody living in the basement. I don't

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 1>know how long it was for, but any even a

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 1>minute too long for me. I mean, now, when you

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 1>go into your basement, do you feel like you have PTSD?

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I would, uh, I don't know. I don't worry about

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that now. Um, but I think it was

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 1>more of like when I found out and I thought

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 1>about childhood, me like that that scared the crap out

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 1>of me. But now I'm just like whatever, all go

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.799
<v Speaker 1>down and check it out. God, what's it like to

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>be well adjusted? Yeah? Exactly? Well okay, So so Jessica,

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<v Speaker 1>You've also done a lot of lighthearted lifestyle shows like

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<v Speaker 1>house Hunter's you know, what do you feel like? Is

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<v Speaker 1>more satisfying for you as a producer. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that it's funny because you guys work on crime show.

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<v Speaker 1>I work on crime shows. I like to do compressed

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and watch a lot of like home renault shows at night.

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to come home and watch more crime

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 1>because I've been dealing with it all days. So, um,

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>those are those are just fun and lighthearted shows. I

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<v Speaker 1>really like him. But I mean I love the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>of documentaries and true crime is interesting. Um, also investigations

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<v Speaker 1>like even Catfish. I worked on Catfish that was an investigation,

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's a love story first and a mystery second.

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 1>So those shows are fun, even though it's more of

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a lighthearted investigation show. But I would say anything that

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<v Speaker 1>creates an impact, that's my favorite thing to work on.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there any episode of Catfish that really stuck out

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<v Speaker 1>to you? Uh, there's one where the Catfish Portunity. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a big music producer, and you have to be

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>more specific that that one stood out in my mind.

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>But I worked on a spinoff show called Untold Stories.

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<v Speaker 1>To these were like past tense stories, not to investigations,

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:04.359
<v Speaker 1>where people tell their wildest catfish stories that they fell

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 1>in love with somebody and it was like, you know,

0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody already knew who didn't like them. They didn't like

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:15.879
<v Speaker 1>them back, crazy stuff. So people are so bizarre. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>of all the projects you've worked on, has there anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's really stayed with you or haunted you, so to speak,

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:26.800
<v Speaker 1>or something that's really left an impact. Well, I'm probably

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:30.839
<v Speaker 1>surviving r Kelly just because of the women went through. Yeah,

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 1>that stayed with me. Wow. Okay, Well, Jessica, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to take a couple of your time today. So

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 1>unless Dmitri has any other questions, I think I'm sufficiently

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>freaked out. Just I don't think we ever explained it

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<v Speaker 1>frog the name frogging because it's with a pH, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So also when you're looking it up, don't put in uh,

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:54.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, don't put it f R. It's pH But

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>where does that come from? Like a frog that leaps

0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 1>from place to place? So somebody who's like just moving

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<v Speaker 1>around undetected that they spelled it within pH rock the animal,

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 1>so people didn't think they were looking up at a

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 1>frog documentary. Good than exactly exactly. Yeah, So just make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you check your crawl spaces and your addicts immediately

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 1>following the podcast. Absolutely. Now I'm gonna go find crawl

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.920
<v Speaker 1>spaces in my house, but I can't wait. So you guys,

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:28.759
<v Speaker 1>just to be sure you've heard this before, but we're

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:31.439
<v Speaker 1>going to say it again. The show premieres Monday, July

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:35.120
<v Speaker 1>eighth at ten ninth Central and also streams the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on Lifetime and it's called Frogging with a pH

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<v Speaker 1>Hider in My House And Jessica, thank you so much

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 1>for being with us today. I really appreciate it. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks guys, thank you. I mean, just in case you

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be freaked out. There's sometimes we can talk

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 1>about something on this show, on this podcast and and

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 1>we're fine. You can walk away from it like, well

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.399
<v Speaker 1>that was a good conversation, but now this is gonna

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.400
<v Speaker 1>stick with you for a while, isn't it. I'm so

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:16.840
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable to Metrie. I don't know, like the story of

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the boy that hides inside the walls of the family home,

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:24.360
<v Speaker 1>terrorizing the teenage girls for months. It's it's so interesting

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 1>because in my head, I'm like, this isn't a game,

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 1>this isn't funny. These are people's real lives. If this

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:34.800
<v Speaker 1>was happening to me, I would be going absolutely batch.

0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know me, well, yeah, I mean you're

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.560
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of heading that way anyway. But imagine all

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 1>these times when you're saying, you know, here at the podcast,

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 1>we get screeners first, and we have the privilege so

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 1>we're the only ones to get to see them. But

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>now you realize someone could be watching along with you.

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's our episode for today. Everyone, Um, thank you

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.439
<v Speaker 1>so much. I will be hosting this podcast alone next week,

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 1>but I'll think I'll be alone, but to Meetrill just

0:51:57.640 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>be in the air vent behind me. But this is

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:03.320
<v Speaker 1>this has been never again, Dmitri. This has been never again, Dmitri.

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And also, I cannot believe you hoarded that story until

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 1>just now. Honestly, I forgot about it so much, so

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:15.320
<v Speaker 1>much trauma trauma. I had to dig it up because

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think, had that happened and had

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I realized it then, right, had I gone down to

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the basement and been and confronted somebody down there, it

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.399
<v Speaker 1>would have been a different story than finding out about

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:26.799
<v Speaker 1>it when I didn't. We didn't even own the house

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>anymore like it was when I was a little kid,

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and then I found out as an adult, So that

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of it kind of made it a little less

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 1>not a little less real, but it wasn't as traumatic probably,

0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:39.720
<v Speaker 1>so see. I feel like for me now as an adult,

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 1>if I ever had a basement, I would just constantly

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 1>think someone was living down there. Yeah. Well, and especially

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the way house is settled, like I have an attic

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes I'll hear noises and it's like, oh that

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it's so weird because sometimes it settles and it sounds

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>like a footstep, but it's not. I've been up there.

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.400
<v Speaker 1>There's no way up there except through the house, and

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I've been up there. You guys, would you comment on

0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 1>real time crime hood posts or d ms on Instagram

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 1>and let us know if you're now checking every nook

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and cranny of your house and if you're terrified. And

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:12.040
<v Speaker 1>also if anything like this has ever happened to you,

0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know, but Dmitri does because he's

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>starting a support group. Yeah, I'll wat through him and

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I'll share the ones that I think you can handle,

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<v Speaker 1>So none of them. And if you find somebody, obviously,

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 1>feel free to call the police first, then reach out

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.839
<v Speaker 1>to most after. Please call the police first, pretty much

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:32.959
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0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:04.520
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0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>been a very manic episode of real time crime. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you next week. Stay safe, check your events, love

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<v Speaker 1>youa goodbye. It's real time crap it real time gro

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is it actually real time crime? I'm solving

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 1>anything or is that just the thing we say, it's

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 1>a thing, we say, got it? Okay, See you next

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<v Speaker 1>week for more real time crime, only on i Heart Radio.