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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome fact to another episode of Real Time Crime.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host b Lamar, and I have with me

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Speaker 1: my good friend. Oh my goodness, we're really progressing. This

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Speaker 1: is nice. Well, I mean, Adam and I did FaceTime

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Speaker 1: you on fourth of July when we were on the

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Speaker 1: paddle a swan paddle boat on a lake, which has

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Speaker 1: jumped up to the top of the list of some

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Speaker 1: of my favorite memories and experiences to be uh at

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Speaker 1: a Fourth of July party and get a FaceTime like

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Speaker 1: huh and and turn it on and see the two

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Speaker 1: of you on a giant swan paddle voting around the pond.

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Speaker 1: Was it was the surprise I never knew I wanted.

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Speaker 1: I'm very sad that that's one of your top favorite memories.

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Speaker 1: But also, you know, the pond is symbolic of Adam

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Speaker 1: living across the pond, so and how when you see

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Speaker 1: each other it's like lying on a swan with a

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Speaker 1: lot of pedal just so everyone knows he's not here

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Speaker 1: right now. He's hiding in my wall. But that'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to you later when we get to our main story,

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Speaker 1: which is about frogging with p Like when you say

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Speaker 1: you're like fat with the pH. So not a real frog. No, no,

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Speaker 1: not a real frog. It's someone who hides in the

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Speaker 1: walls of your home or in the attic or in

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Speaker 1: the basement or anywhere in your home and stocks you

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Speaker 1: and watches you. But more on that later because that

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Speaker 1: is the story for our second half of the episode today.

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Speaker 1: And we have a special guest, Jessica Everleth, who is

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Speaker 1: the EP on this new show called frogg Gang, which

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Speaker 1: will be out on Lifetime. You guys, I am. I

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Speaker 1: saw the screener and I'm disturbed. Disturbed. You gotta listen

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Speaker 1: to this interview. The show is uh so cringe worthy

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Speaker 1: in the way that you just you literally are so

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Speaker 1: afraid to move when you're watching it. I literally sat

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Speaker 1: there clutching my blanket, listening to every possible noise I

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Speaker 1: could ever happen and trying to justify what it could be.

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Speaker 1: And then very scaredly, took a flashlight and checked every

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Speaker 1: nooking coronia of my house like a psycho. And did

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Speaker 1: you call Adam afterward and telling you we're scared? I said,

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Speaker 1: I need you to come all the way back to

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Speaker 1: l A. I'm scared, alright. But before we get to

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Speaker 1: that story. Let's get to our hot topics, shall we. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: first hot topic for today. Oh man, this is one

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Speaker 1: of those things where it's like, we gotta get Teddy's

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Speaker 1: take on this. Jen Shaw Real Housewives of Salt Lake

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Speaker 1: City cast member, please guilty to telemarketing fraud. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Shaw played guilty Monday to defrauding hundreds of victims,

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Speaker 1: including some elderly, in a year's long telemarketing scheme. She

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Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

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Speaker 1: According to a pre argument. Federal sentencing guidelines range eleven

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Speaker 1: to fourteen years. Is in prison, although I'm sure she'll

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Speaker 1: go in the Martha Stewart route, which is just a

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Speaker 1: little ankle bracelet. As part of a plea argument, Sara

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Speaker 1: will pay six point five mill and forfeiture and up

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Speaker 1: to nine point five mill and restitution. She was arrested

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Speaker 1: in one while Bravo was filming the second season of

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Speaker 1: the show, and she consistently professed her innocence, going as

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Speaker 1: far as to stay in as tagline for the show

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Speaker 1: that said, the only thing I'm guilty of is being

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Speaker 1: Shaw Amazing and saying that is you're guilty enough that

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Speaker 1: that allowment I would lock her up. You're guilty of

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Speaker 1: being annoying? Who who was like, Yeah, that's a great tagline.

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Speaker 1: Her guilty plea came as she was set to go

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Speaker 1: to trial in federal court in Manhattan. They said that

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Speaker 1: since Shaw and others sold so called quote unquote business

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Speaker 1: services to alleged victims, including website design services to some

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Speaker 1: elderly individuals who didn't even own computers, I mean, how

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Speaker 1: much of a pos do you gotta be? Shaw and

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Speaker 1: others also identified and sold as leads the names of

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Speaker 1: individuals who they knew would be defrauded by others. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is just trash human behavior. Prosecutor said. Shaw supervised

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Speaker 1: the salespeople who lied directly to the victims of the scheme.

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Speaker 1: She sought to hide her role in the fraud by

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Speaker 1: using encrypted messaging apps, placing companies in the name of

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Speaker 1: family and others, and setting up an offshore bank account

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Speaker 1: and business operations in Kosovo. She also underreported her income

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Speaker 1: on tax returns for several years. Prosecutors say Shaw spent

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Speaker 1: the proceeds from the fraud on her extravagant lifestyle. As

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Speaker 1: we trade on the reality show sentencing in the cases

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Speaker 1: scheduled for November, Shaw told the judge, I knew this

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Speaker 1: was wrong. I know many people were harmed names so sorry,

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Speaker 1: Oh I know. I feel so badly for her, Like

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Speaker 1: she just got caught up and she denied it for years, right,

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Speaker 1: said she had nothing to do with it, and she

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Speaker 1: she did. What people do they got busted, they're facing something,

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Speaker 1: or the egg situation where she had to figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to make more money to be more attractive

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Speaker 1: for the show, or if she was always going to

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Speaker 1: do this sort of like horrible behavior, if this is

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Speaker 1: never mind, I take that back. It's been since that

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Speaker 1: she's been scamming old people without computers for website services

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Speaker 1: before the show. Yeah, yeah, she's a bad person. And

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Speaker 1: then somehow she ended up getting fame for something else

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Speaker 1: and luckily, you know, in a in a karmic way.

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Speaker 1: Season two, she gets arrested, like the whole thing comes

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Speaker 1: crashing down. Potentially that's what she wanted, was fame in

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Speaker 1: lost it all because she made stupid I don't want

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Speaker 1: she was doing. I feel like there's so much crime

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Speaker 1: involved with the reality shows. There's always something happening, and

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Speaker 1: it's very confusing. It's like, what's up with the background

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Speaker 1: the income statements to make sure that you know, I

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Speaker 1: also think that she pled guilty because she knew that

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Speaker 1: she was going to get caught. Yeah. Probably, But the

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Speaker 1: thing is, it's it's real housewives, right, and this is

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Speaker 1: apparently what some of them are doing. There's a housewives

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, I mean that's true, but he's a

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Speaker 1: job just kidding. Well, I mean, and I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people want to go to like, I have

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Speaker 1: zero tolerance for taking advantage of senior citizens kids. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should take advantage of anybody or

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Speaker 1: con them or scammed them. But that's the works. It's

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Speaker 1: And if you morally are okay with that, then you're

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Speaker 1: you're sicker than just that, you know, which is weird

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Speaker 1: a good point. That's just my take, that's my heart's take. No,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. And you know what good good it's

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Speaker 1: it's often it right, It's it's people being greedy, are

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Speaker 1: always wanting more in something that ends up being their downfall.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened here. I hear that, like

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Speaker 1: I want Adam to get a visa or a green

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Speaker 1: card and just him not being here is not good enough.

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Speaker 1: I want more. I just wanted to make this about

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Speaker 1: me somehow. Okay, but I'll be your downfall, That'll be

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Speaker 1: your uplifting. I'm very excited for us, for us, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for all three of us together, when we live in

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Speaker 1: a home together. I actually have some I don't I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna take about now. I have blueprints for a

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Speaker 1: swan boat that fits three my dream. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: all the time, our email addresses, our phone numbers or addresses.

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Speaker 1: All this information is getting shared all the time, and

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Speaker 1: they're always constant breaches or social scurity numbers getting stolen.

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Speaker 1: This is getting stolen. It's like at this point when

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Speaker 1: I see that there's been my email has been you know,

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Speaker 1: oh you're part of a breach, I'm like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: even changed my email address. Like find whatever you need?

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Speaker 1: What do you I have nothing to hide? Number one,

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Speaker 1: number two, Like there's nothing to get from there. You know,

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Speaker 1: And and trust me, you cannot sell those I'll know.

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Speaker 1: I'll see your ass and you know, I think it's

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Speaker 1: I think what she did is different because what she

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Speaker 1: skin ming, gave the information to other people so that

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Speaker 1: does that conversation go? No, She's an amazing saleswoman and honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to take a course from her. This feels

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Speaker 1: you did something shitty, but how do we make money? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to the next story, speaking of stealing from people among

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Speaker 1: her stole sixty dollar role X Pistol whipped a woman

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Speaker 1: the second attast attacker then assaulted the woman with his

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Speaker 1: they took off in a white dog challenger. I just

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Speaker 1: gotta say, don't park next to challengers. Anyone who's got

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Speaker 1: what did he I don't know what he thought. I mean,

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00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: he might have been on drugs, who knows. How do

427
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna get away with that? But I um,

428
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: I think people do kind of let their guards down

429
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 1: when they're flying. You know, they're either thinking about not

430
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: dying and crashing, or they're crying watching a movie, or

431
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: they're passed out trying to get a quick nap in

432
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: before they get off the plane. And also because you

433
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: just assumed that no one would do it, because it's like,

434
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: where are you going to go? You cannot run from

435
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: this crime. I mean, I'm I don't know. I've had

436
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: a lot of weird experiences on airplanes, but it's all

437
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: just been with annoying people who have bothered me. So

438
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: I had to switch seats. Nothing to do with someone's

439
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: stealing from me. Yeah, well, but you go ahead. I'm

440
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: listening this One time, I um was flying to abisa

441
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: well and I dropped my invisilne case on the floor.

442
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: I was just like a full on Mr Bean at

443
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: this point, just like look, look, look, look like everything

444
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: was falling out and the case slid all the way

445
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: to the front of the plane, and the guy sitting

446
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: in the front was a very elderly man. He was

447
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: reacting like a spaceship like an alien craft had. He

448
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: was like what is this And I was like, I'm

449
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 1: so sorry, that's my invisible and he took it out

450
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: and put it in his mouth and yeah, I'm like,

451
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: they don't give you teeth, Um, they just mold the

452
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: ones you have. But yeah, and then I had this

453
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: rabbi once and next to me after a traumatic time

454
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: in Panama City trying to get back to New York

455
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: and all my flights being canceled and the airport being

456
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: shut down and there being no food and water for

457
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: over twenty four hours, and I didn't speak Spanish. This

458
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: rabbi was like, oh, you should have children by now.

459
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be an artist. And I was like, I

460
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: have to move this seat. This was the most traumatic

461
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: part of that that I'd rather have my wallet stolen

462
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: than have to like listen to someone tell me what

463
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: I should be doing with my life. And I'm like,

464
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: you're a man of the Lord, you know, yeah, just

465
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: leave me alone anyway. Um So, Dmitri, do you have

466
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: any worse experiences on a flight? No? Mine are always

467
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: just you know, an annoyances. I've never had something, um,

468
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: super bad happened on a flight. Um So no, I've

469
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: never been you know, nothing where like It's it's more

470
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: like people get angry, you know, or people start yelling

471
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: or something like that at me. But people start yelling

472
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: and then it's just kind of like the flight attendant. Like,

473
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: I've been on a couple of things where they had

474
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: to like take them off before the flight left, but

475
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: nothing outrageous. I've never been on anything with with punches

476
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: thrown or anything, thank you know, thank goodness, anything too bad.

477
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's a you're you're in an

478
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: enclosed tube and you're in there for a long period

479
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: of time, and people's personalities come out in different ways,

480
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: so there's there's always the possibility of something. My favorite

481
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: thing that happened to me recently was there was a

482
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 1: girl who her her ticket kept beeping red and she

483
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: was yelling at the flight attendant. There's this huge line

484
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: behind her trying to get onto the plane. Everyone's trying

485
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: to get on the plane. She was like, scan it again,

486
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: scan it again. I just changed the ticket. This is like,

487
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: please scan it again. That's my seat number. And she

488
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: just had the completely wrong flight. And when she walked away,

489
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: I thought everyone was going to start applying because it

490
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: was she was. I mean, the amount of self righteousness

491
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. I was like that saw that coming from

492
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: mile away. Yeah. And by the way, be gracious about it, like,

493
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: just even if that was the right, it's hilarious that

494
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: it was a wrong flight. People don't want to help

495
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: you when you're being an ass. I've learned this, and

496
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: I'm so glad she wasn't on my flight. I was like,

497
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: if this is how she is now, But then, to

498
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: be fair, I probably would have also been her if

499
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: I was very sure it was like scan it again. Anyway,

500
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: you guys, let's take a quick break before we bring

501
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: on our amazing guest for today and talk about Frogging,

502
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: which you're not gonna want to miss because it is

503
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: absolutely terrified. I give it a ten out of ten. Cringe.

504
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back and we're back to

505
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: real time crime. You guys. I'm very excited about our

506
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: guest and equally as excited to talk about the show

507
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: that she is an ep on and dear God, Dmitri,

508
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched the first episode. You

509
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: know we get privilege information sometimes lucky us. Well I know,

510
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, that's my parents said. Um and and

511
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: the whole show is called frogging Hyder in my house.

512
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: Think about that. You already have a picture the picture

513
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: in your head is correct. The show is going to

514
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: premiere Monday, n Central. So everyone, we have with us

515
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: here our special guests today. Jessica ever left, Hi Jessica. Hi.

516
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: With you guys so incredible, haven't you here with us today?

517
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: I watched the first episode and we already told our

518
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: listeners were spoiled. We got an early copy, and I'm

519
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: blown away and disturbed and terrified and now thinking that

520
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: someone is living in my walls. I mean, everybody's going

521
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: to think that right after they watched the show. It's

522
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: incredible and there each one of them could be their

523
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: own horror movie. These are stranger than fiction stories. Um,

524
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: each one could be, like I said, its own movie.

525
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: I just thought. My thought was, these are all going

526
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: to be made into separate Netflix movies. Absolutely definitely. Each

527
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: story is almost as unbelievable as the next. Agree and

528
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: sorry to me, trade go for it. No, what I

529
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: was gonna say is I have a problem. I can

530
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: a news article and think, oh, well, that's weird. So

531
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: I did see one recently about someone that was living

532
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: in someone's attic, and I thought that's weird, but probably

533
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: just you know, on anomaly or something. And then this

534
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: show comes and you know, see the trailer and I

535
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: see the first episode and I'm like, crap, this is

536
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: something that happens a lot. So so I went from

537
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: being able to dismiss it to now being terrified and

538
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: like every little noise I here in the house, I'm like, Okay, well,

539
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: I got a whole community up there. That's great. Yeah, exactly,

540
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: It's more common than you think. And when we dug

541
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: into our research, we found two cases immediately immediately, which

542
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: means that there are so many. Yeah, and there's two

543
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: stories per hour in frogging, so there's twenty stories and

544
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: they're just they're just wild. Okay. So first of all,

545
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't do well. I know we have a true

546
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: gram podcast, but historically I don't do well with horror.

547
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Anything that seems like a psychological thriller really disturbs me.

548
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: And I did not sleep well last night. I do

549
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: blame you. There is a monster under the bed. Now

550
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm convinced. Now I'm checking every closet door, I'm checking

551
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: every nook and cranny of my house every time I

552
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: walk in. I mean, that's what will happen to everyone

553
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: once they start watching the show. Absolutely, they're gonna have

554
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: to check their crawl spaces, their addicts behind any kind

555
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: of false walls that they have ums. I would prefer

556
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: a monster or a ghost as opposed to a real

557
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: person in my wall or in my attic. Bunny, you

558
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: mentioned ghosts. Most people believe that they had a ghost

559
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: in their house before they jumped to the conclusion they

560
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: had an intruder. That's what was really funny, because it

561
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: kind of starts off slowly, where things disappear or they move,

562
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: they disappear, then reappear somewhere else. Um food starts to disappear,

563
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: and they hear footsteps, maybe some kind of like disembody

564
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: voice that's really just a faint voice they're hearing from

565
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: another room, and they think they have a ghost in

566
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: the house. I would until they you know, I would.

567
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: I would rather have a pastor come into my house

568
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and perform an exorcism. And I'm Jewish than for there

569
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: to be an actual human hiding in my walls. And

570
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: and Jessica, just to the listeners have a better understanding

571
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: in your own words, can you describe what frogging is

572
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: Frogging is My understanding is when it's not squatting, it's

573
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: when someone is living in your house at the same time,

574
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: unbeknown for you. So it's kind of like the movie

575
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: Parasite where the family was living in the basement at

576
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: the same time as the other family that's frogging. And

577
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: sometimes the house is the targets of the frogging, or

578
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: it's the person. So when it's the person, it's really

579
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: more of a stalking frogger situation, which is even more scary.

580
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: There was that image that I saw of someone removing

581
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: like the electrical outlet and just you see eyes peering

582
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: through it. So what do you what is the what

583
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: do you find is the most common reason? Is it

584
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: that they just need a place to live or is

585
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: it that they're doing creepy pervy stuff. Um, I would

586
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: say most of the time it's creepy stuff. Occasionally it's

587
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: somebody just needed someplace to live for free and see it.

588
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of stalking cases, so yeah,

589
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: they want to spy. Or there's a neighbor who now

590
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: is fixated on the person living in a nearby apartment

591
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: and they they're like a peeping tom, you know. But

592
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: now they're frogging. They're living above their space. So we've

593
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: had a few of those as well. So it's it's

594
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: very scary, especially for a woman who lives alone. You know,

595
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: I would imagine. Yeah, I'm sorry. Are there any cases

596
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: where the frogger was allowed to claim squatters rights? No,

597
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: The people who were caught were arrested in various charges

598
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: breaking an enter room, stalking, um some assault charges. Yeah,

599
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: so it was it's a serious prime it's not it's

600
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: not swatting, Okay, And I just want to take it

601
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: back for two seconds and just talk about you for

602
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: a second. Your career is so well rounded and it

603
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: seems super eclectic. You know, you've worked on some iconic shows,

604
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: but it seems like true crime has always been a

605
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: passion of yours. I guess I'm just curious to know

606
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: what you love about true crime. Um Let started off

607
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: in documentaries and music, and I moved to l a

608
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, and then my first job was working

609
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: on a true crime show with a famous blood spatter expert,

610
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Dr Henry Lee. So I think that's what kind of

611
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: launched my career in true crime. So that's that's just

612
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: been my lane crime investigation documentaries and and also I

613
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: hate to bring this up, but we do know you

614
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: worked on the r Kelly documentary and just so curious

615
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: to know your thoughts now that the ruling has come

616
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: to light. Yeah, I mean, I'm real. I'm glad the women, Um,

617
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, we're heard and there's been justice. He is

618
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: facing another trial. I think it's going to be televised

619
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: to so there's one coming up in August, so it's

620
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see what happens. But I mean,

621
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm still blown away at the impact the

622
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: documentary have and you know, it's a very Um, it

623
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: was one of the most difficult things I've ever worked

624
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: on with one of the most important projects, if not

625
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: the most important. I mean, you you brought justice to survivors.

626
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: That was the goal, and I'm really glad. You know,

627
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy for them. Do you think that he deserved

628
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: more than thirty years? Um? You know, it's it's interesting

629
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: because I think giz Lane Maxwell was sentenced the same

630
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: week and people were talking about that that she got

631
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: twenty years and Artilly got thirty. So you know, I

632
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: wasn't at the trial. I don't know. Um, I just

633
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: know that the women needed to be protected and there's

634
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: he's facing a lot more. Um. You know, in terms

635
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: of this trial coming up in Chicago. Wow. Yeah, well,

636
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: thank you for sending some light on that. I mean,

637
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: we've all been following in that story now obviously for

638
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: a long time. M And okay, So moving on from

639
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: R Kelly. Unless a cat scream like of course, was

640
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: around a zoom when you work at home, you have

641
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: a daughter cab so he does enter, so at least

642
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: you know what the at least you know what the

643
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: noises is not coming from the wall, not the frog,

644
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: not this time, thank god. Okay, So with frogging, how

645
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: did this idea come to you and how did you

646
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: even begin to find people who had been accosted by progress? Well,

647
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: the company came to me with the project. They had

648
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: developed it for some time and lifetimes excited about it.

649
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: So having worked for lifetime in the past on surviving R. Kelly, um,

650
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: they told me about the project. It sounded really interesting

651
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: that it was non murder crime to work on. So

652
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: that was nice and nice reprieve from working on a

653
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: lot of you know, other shows that are more you

654
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: know that are hard work on terms of victim impact.

655
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: But surprisingly these victims were all super traumatized. So here

656
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: he is it's making appearance. Um, these victims have residual trauma.

657
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: They don't feel safe in their own home and UM.

658
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: So yeah. And would you say that there have been

659
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: any shows that you've worked on, including this one, that

660
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: have left you traumatized? Well, I think Surviving R. Kelly

661
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: did because it was just so intense and there were,

662
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, constant threats going on. Um. I think it

663
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: was in the papers that you know, there was a

664
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: gun threat phoned in, UM to screening in New York.

665
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: So it was just you know, that was all in

666
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: the newspapers. It was in a Rolling Stone and several newspapers,

667
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: so that was really intense. But I mean I'm always

668
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I always feel for the victims. When I worked on

669
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: a crime show, I don't just a job. It's like

670
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: I have to feel I want, I feel connected to people, um,

671
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, who want to tell their stories. So UM,

672
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: and then I actually keep in touch with people afterwards.

673
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: That's so nice. We haven't done that, you know. I mean,

674
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: I haven't kept in touch with anyone in the last

675
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: twenty years. I only know Dmitri but Jessica. Okay, so

676
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: there were ten episodes and every episode is two stories.

677
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: Do they increase in intensity or is every episode just

678
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: banger so terrifying. Yeah, I think the first two stories

679
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: are the scariest, but then the last few stories are

680
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: also very very scary. So the first and the second ones,

681
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: um could easily sustain an entire you know, to our

682
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: feature film. They're that bad. Could you give us a

683
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: brief synopsis of the one that scared you the most? Well,

684
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: the first The first one is you know, um secret surgeon.

685
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: Um that that story was very intense, and the family

686
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: came home, Um, they were on big pation. They confronted

687
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: the frogger at the front door, but only after he

688
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: was hauled away and arrested. They found out that he

689
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: had been watching them for weeks and he had planned

690
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: on performing surgeries on them, and they found knives and

691
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: other things in the house. The second episode is also

692
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: very scary because the frogger was stalking and terrorizing the

693
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: family for months. He was pretending to be the ghost

694
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: of one of the women's dead mother. So that's very intense.

695
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was pretty so the frogger was pretending

696
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: to be a ghost. Um was only caught later and

697
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: then after that person got out of prison went on

698
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: to kill people, so they were lucky to be alive. Yes, yeah,

699
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: and how did they catch him? Finally again, they saw

700
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: him in the house. They had left the house when

701
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: they heard noises, They confronted the frogger, they left, they

702
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: came back with the police and then the police who

703
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: got him out of no. No, I mean after he

704
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: committed the murders, there was a mad hunt. Oh I

705
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: am wow. Yeah. So is there a common through line

706
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: of severe mental illness and a lot of the froggers Well,

707
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: I used to referring to the first episode that you watched,

708
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: I would say that one was little I think an

709
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: anomaly because he was it was a random He had

710
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: fixated on the homeowners, but he didn't know them before.

711
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: Where's the second episode I'm referring to. There was a

712
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: relationship with the people who lived in the house. So

713
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: the frogger was really a stalker. So when it's random,

714
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: it's it's I guess, not as scary. But even still,

715
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: after the frogger is caught, people do do not feel

716
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: safe in their home. No, I mean, I remember, I

717
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: don't want to give anything away, but watching the first

718
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: story and seeing that there were notes left about like

719
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, start planting equipment and and you know in

720
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: cameras and this of stuff and all these notes. And

721
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it's like, at what point do you

722
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: think that they want to get caught or do you

723
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: think that they're maybe in this case in specific, he

724
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: was just so delusional that he wasn't even thinking like that.

725
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: I think he was delusional. But I think they're also

726
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: very lucky they came home and confronted him. So had

727
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: they not, he could have just slipped back up into

728
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: the attic and killed them in their sleep. And they

729
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: were they were completely vulnerable to him because he had

730
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: been there for a while and he knew about their

731
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: private life. And yeah, and he knew that he knew

732
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: their routine when they when they that's usually when people,

733
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, find the frauders, when they break through rougine

734
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: and come home early or their schedule changes, and so

735
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: you'll you'll see a lot of that in the story,

736
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: when somebody comes someone from work early and they break

737
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: the routine, they find the frauder. I'm cringing. So that's

738
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: the article I had. I had read was somebody I

739
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: think was living in the attic for a while, and

740
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: what he would do is he'd come down in the

741
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: middle of the night and he just sit there and

742
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: why true sleep and like video as well. And it's like,

743
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean, but there's some there's some weird stuff like

744
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: we're thinking, okay, people who are like, oh, I don't

745
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: have a big addic it ken't. But but they really

746
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: there's there's some crafty ways that they live inside these houses,

747
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah. They can just kind of slip in

748
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: and then hide in the closet and then slip back out.

749
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: So it's not like they're just living in the closet.

750
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Seven are living in the crawl space. Seven they get out,

751
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: they can come and go and then they slip back

752
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: and when they know the homeowners routine and then they

753
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: watch them. They watch them through air events. They drill

754
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: holes and walls, they remove electrical plates. Those are the ones.

755
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: Those are the stocking stories again, but the ones that

756
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: are just kind of there because they want place to sleep. Um, yeah,

757
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: in general, they don't do that. The good news is

758
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: for me is none of my neighbors want anything to

759
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: do with me, so I feel pretty safe. See I

760
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: am the opposite problem where it's like my ex boyfriend

761
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: is hiding behind electrical stock. I'm like, fine, we can

762
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: live together, but you put them there, so it's different.

763
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: It's different, and it's different. Um. But okay, So you

764
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: know the thing that's so terrifying about this is that

765
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: this seems like one of those things that the police

766
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't take seriously. Do you find that that happens? That

767
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: homeowners would go to the police and report that they

768
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: felt like someone was in their house, and then they

769
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: were taken seriously or not taken seriously, and they do

770
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: a search and they can't find anything, and then they're

771
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: called back. You'll see that on multiple stories. And that's

772
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: really not the police's fault. I mean, they've they've done

773
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: their best. They looked in every room, um, and you know,

774
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: the frog are just slips out or there. They found

775
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: a great hiding spot and can remain undetected. And no

776
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: one would think to look in an air event well

777
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: not really hiding in an air vent. They're looking through

778
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: an air event location. They need more room to stretch out.

779
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: This is good. This is good though for people that,

780
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: um that thought that they were safe. We've now added

781
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: another level to something that your mind didn't quite explore.

782
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: So make sure you watch this show alone and at

783
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: night in the pure darkness, check everything before you just

784
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: sorry what you think is alone, but maybe not. Another

785
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: interesting thing that you know, ring cameras and surveillance cameras

786
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: they catch frauders too, So people find out they have

787
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: a frauder because you know those you know, those images

788
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: end up going to somebody's phone and then they're alerted,

789
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, at work. So those are pretty good at

790
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: catching froggers. So I haven't recommend those. That's so interesting

791
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: because if I was a frogger and I saw a

792
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: ring light, I would assume that they could see me

793
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: or least plant them. Yeah. No, it's it's interesting. I mean,

794
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: especially in the first one where things are getting picked

795
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: up and it's like, wouldn't you want to put things

796
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: back exactly where they were? Right? You know. I think

797
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting that it's clear that something is off and

798
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: they're not really putting in a lot of effort to

799
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: make it feel like no one is there. But it's

800
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: probably a psychological thrill for them, right, because I mean,

801
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: if you're going to sit there and watch someone, right,

802
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: you want to see them kind of scared themselves or

803
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: react to stuff and not thinking that you're there watching them.

804
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: Maybe the same thing as setting up a camera and

805
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: watching people's reactions to stuff. So yeah, they probably do

806
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: leave it not exactly the same for that reason. Well,

807
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: dmitri as the frogging expert, Well just right though, I

808
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: mean people, Yeah, there are some really sinister froggers that

809
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: want to instill terror into some of these homeowners, and

810
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: so they enjoy watching them being frightened. This is so

811
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: absolutely terrifying to me, kind of like we're enjoying watching

812
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: be frightened right now. I'm so uncomfortable. I'm so uncomfortable.

813
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm literally sitting here just thinking about all my cabinets.

814
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm like do I need I'm I'm like, do I

815
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: need to get a ring light? Right now? What would

816
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: you suggest to people to defend themselves against froggers or

817
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: what to do if they suspect they have a frogger

818
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: should probably just leave and and call the police that

819
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: they really think there's somebody there, especially if they see

820
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: evidence that somebody's been in their home. Um, if they

821
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: have tried that, and then I would say get yea

822
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: plants surveillance cameras all over the house, and I would

823
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: venture to say that there's enough crazy in the world.

824
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: There's enough crazy people in the world. Don't just turn

825
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: back to yourself and be like, I'm imagining this, I'm crazy.

826
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: Check it out first, and then like, don't just put

827
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: it on yourself and be like, oh, this is me,

828
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. No, there could be someone doing crazy stuff,

829
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: and don't sell them short unless it's me, in which

830
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: case I probably am just crazy. That I think is

831
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: a nice combo. It's a nicet. It's like a surfing turf, exactly, exactly. Okay, So, um,

832
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: when when you were talking to the victims, was there

833
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: anything that stood out to you about, um, how they

834
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: felt or how they was there anything like a common

835
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: through line or um action that they all took, or

836
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: any sort of like big fights they got into families

837
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: with or anything like that, Because when someone else doesn't

838
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: believe you, it seems like that could really create tension

839
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: to the point of divorce. Yeah. I mean some people

840
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: think that they're just under stressed, especially they live with

841
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: another person, and or they think that, like I said,

842
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: they think they have a ghost in the house. Um there. Yeah,

843
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: it does create a lot of tension when one person

844
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: is experiencing the broady and the other person isn't so. Um,

845
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, finally, you know, like when

846
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: he was watching in the first episode, Um, the roommates,

847
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: when they found the man's handprints in the bathroom, that

848
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Speaker 1: was enough. They all they all got it. But they again,

849
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Speaker 1: they thought they had a ghost in the house too.

850
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Speaker 1: I think this is the most uncomfortable I've ever been

851
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Yeah, it is, it is. It's it's

852
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: quite creepy. And luckily, I mean for me, I'm the

853
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: type of person that likes to prove something. So if

854
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Speaker 1: my wife was like, there's somebody living here, I wouldn't

855
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Speaker 1: be the person that would go up in the attic

856
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: and I would check everyth Now, see there's not just

857
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Speaker 1: so I could say, you see, there's not nothing to

858
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: worry about. But when I was little, I found out

859
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: years later we had somebody that was like, I don't

860
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: know it was a runaway or somebody that that basically

861
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: had broken into our basement for a while and had

862
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: been staying there. But I think it was like I

863
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: think our next door neighbor like knew them and was like, oh,

864
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: you can get in there, and basically, so we offered

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Speaker 1: up our basement. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize

866
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: this till years later my sister told me. But so

867
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Speaker 1: it was permission, well kind of by someone that didn't

868
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: wasn't able to grant permission. But yes, and I used

869
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: to go down to that basement by myself all the time.

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Speaker 1: I was when I found this out as an adult,

871
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: I was like, what the therapy about this? Reach? No,

872
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: this is it. I didn't want to bother the therapist

873
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: or you know, but the insurance as a hassle. They

874
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: want to see the card and so I just forgot

875
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: to bring it up at some point on this podcast. Wow,

876
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: this is the perfect time. Thank you so much. Okay, Also,

877
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: let me just say, um, Dmitri, I actually can't believe

878
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: you've never brought this up before. Well yeah, I think

879
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: I think it was suppressing it until it just was like, oh,

880
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: wait a minute, somebody living in the basement. I don't

881
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: know how long it was for, but any even a

882
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: minute too long for me. I mean, now, when you

883
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: go into your basement, do you feel like you have PTSD?

884
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: I would, uh, I don't know. I don't worry about

885
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that now. Um, but I think it was

886
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: more of like when I found out and I thought

887
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: about childhood, me like that that scared the crap out

888
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: of me. But now I'm just like whatever, all go

889
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: down and check it out. God, what's it like to

890
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: be well adjusted? Yeah? Exactly? Well okay, So so Jessica,

891
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: You've also done a lot of lighthearted lifestyle shows like

892
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: house Hunter's you know, what do you feel like? Is

893
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: more satisfying for you as a producer. I mean, I

894
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: love that it's funny because you guys work on crime show.

895
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: I work on crime shows. I like to do compressed

896
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: and watch a lot of like home renault shows at night.

897
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to come home and watch more crime

898
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: because I've been dealing with it all days. So, um,

899
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: those are those are just fun and lighthearted shows. I

900
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: really like him. But I mean I love the challenge

901
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: of documentaries and true crime is interesting. Um, also investigations

902
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: like even Catfish. I worked on Catfish that was an investigation,

903
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: but it's a love story first and a mystery second.

904
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: So those shows are fun, even though it's more of

905
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: a lighthearted investigation show. But I would say anything that

906
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: creates an impact, that's my favorite thing to work on.

907
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: Was there any episode of Catfish that really stuck out

908
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: to you? Uh, there's one where the Catfish Portunity. He

909
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: was a big music producer, and you have to be

910
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: more specific that that one stood out in my mind.

911
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: But I worked on a spinoff show called Untold Stories.

912
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: To these were like past tense stories, not to investigations,

913
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: where people tell their wildest catfish stories that they fell

914
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: in love with somebody and it was like, you know,

915
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: somebody already knew who didn't like them. They didn't like

916
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: them back, crazy stuff. So people are so bizarre. Okay,

917
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Speaker 1: of all the projects you've worked on, has there anything

918
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: that's really stayed with you or haunted you, so to speak,

919
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: or something that's really left an impact. Well, I'm probably

920
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: surviving r Kelly just because of the women went through. Yeah,

921
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: that stayed with me. Wow. Okay, Well, Jessica, I don't

922
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: want to take a couple of your time today. So

923
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: unless Dmitri has any other questions, I think I'm sufficiently

924
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: freaked out. Just I don't think we ever explained it

925
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: frog the name frogging because it's with a pH, right,

926
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: So also when you're looking it up, don't put in uh,

927
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, don't put it f R. It's pH But

928
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: where does that come from? Like a frog that leaps

929
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: from place to place? So somebody who's like just moving

930
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: around undetected that they spelled it within pH rock the animal,

931
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: so people didn't think they were looking up at a

932
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: frog documentary. Good than exactly exactly. Yeah, So just make

933
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: sure you check your crawl spaces and your addicts immediately

934
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: following the podcast. Absolutely. Now I'm gonna go find crawl

935
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: spaces in my house, but I can't wait. So you guys,

936
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: just to be sure you've heard this before, but we're

937
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: going to say it again. The show premieres Monday, July

938
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: eighth at ten ninth Central and also streams the next day.

939
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Speaker 1: It's on Lifetime and it's called Frogging with a pH

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Speaker 1: Hider in My House And Jessica, thank you so much

941
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: for being with us today. I really appreciate it. All right,

942
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: thanks guys, thank you. I mean, just in case you

943
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be freaked out. There's sometimes we can talk

944
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: about something on this show, on this podcast and and

945
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: we're fine. You can walk away from it like, well

946
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: that was a good conversation, but now this is gonna

947
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: stick with you for a while, isn't it. I'm so

948
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to Metrie. I don't know, like the story of

949
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: the boy that hides inside the walls of the family home,

950
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: terrorizing the teenage girls for months. It's it's so interesting

951
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: because in my head, I'm like, this isn't a game,

952
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: this isn't funny. These are people's real lives. If this

953
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: was happening to me, I would be going absolutely batch.

954
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know me, well, yeah, I mean you're

955
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: you're kind of heading that way anyway. But imagine all

956
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: these times when you're saying, you know, here at the podcast,

957
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: we get screeners first, and we have the privilege so

958
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: we're the only ones to get to see them. But

959
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: now you realize someone could be watching along with you.

960
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: And that's our episode for today. Everyone, Um, thank you

961
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: so much. I will be hosting this podcast alone next week,

962
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: but I'll think I'll be alone, but to Meetrill just

963
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: be in the air vent behind me. But this is

964
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: this has been never again, Dmitri. This has been never again, Dmitri.

965
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: And also, I cannot believe you hoarded that story until

966
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: just now. Honestly, I forgot about it so much, so

967
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: much trauma trauma. I had to dig it up because

968
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: you know what, I think, had that happened and had

969
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: I realized it then, right, had I gone down to

970
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: the basement and been and confronted somebody down there, it

971
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: would have been a different story than finding out about

972
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: it when I didn't. We didn't even own the house

973
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: anymore like it was when I was a little kid,

974
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: and then I found out as an adult, So that

975
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of made it a little less

976
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: not a little less real, but it wasn't as traumatic probably,

977
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: so see. I feel like for me now as an adult,

978
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: if I ever had a basement, I would just constantly

979
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: think someone was living down there. Yeah. Well, and especially

980
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: the way house is settled, like I have an attic

981
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'll hear noises and it's like, oh that

982
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: it's so weird because sometimes it settles and it sounds

983
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: like a footstep, but it's not. I've been up there.

984
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: There's no way up there except through the house, and

985
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: I've been up there. You guys, would you comment on

986
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: real time crime hood posts or d ms on Instagram

987
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: and let us know if you're now checking every nook

988
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: and cranny of your house and if you're terrified. And

989
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: also if anything like this has ever happened to you,

990
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to know, but Dmitri does because he's

991
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: starting a support group. Yeah, I'll wat through him and

992
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: I'll share the ones that I think you can handle,

993
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: So none of them. And if you find somebody, obviously,

994
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: feel free to call the police first, then reach out

995
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: to most after. Please call the police first, pretty much

996
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 1: always police first, and then call in live at that's

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Speaker 1: eight six six twenty one. Come eight six six to anyone.

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Speaker 1: Come it's eight six six two one two seven four

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Speaker 1: six three. Just leave us voice mail. Maybe we'll play it.

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Speaker 1: Real Time Crime pod on Instagram. I'm at Leo Lamar

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Speaker 1: thing as Twitter, Dmitri at Dmitri pappis across social media

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Speaker 1: and you know Leahs show dates are up at her

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Speaker 1: site to so check this up. Alright, guys, this has

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00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: been a very manic episode of real time crime. We'll

1007
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: see you next week. Stay safe, check your events, love

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Speaker 1: youa goodbye. It's real time crap it real time gro

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it actually real time crime? I'm solving

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Speaker 1: anything or is that just the thing we say, it's

1011
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: a thing, we say, got it? Okay, See you next

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Speaker 1: week for more real time crime, only on i Heart Radio.