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Shaye, you have some details of 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: his h truck being turned over. 85 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, So this morning I wake up and I 86 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 6: see some news, thinking it's gonna be a history thing. 87 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 6: Maybe it was something from two years ago today, but no, 88 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 6: Tiger Woods has done it again. He got in a 89 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 6: car accident earlier this morning and I believe it was 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 6: Jupiter Island, that was the name of it. The sheriff 91 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 6: came out at two pm Western five pm Eastern and 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 6: basically said Tiger Woods was involved in a car accident 93 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 6: where he was speeding and may or may not have 94 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 6: been under the influence. Tiger was taken to the prison, 95 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 6: the local prison, and there he blew a zero point 96 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 6: zero zero but refused to take a blood test. You 97 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 6: guys can speculate what that means, but again. This is 98 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 6: I think the second time in the last five years 99 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 6: he's gone in a car accident, and I think the 100 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 6: sixth time. I believe I'm gonna go back and look 101 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 6: at those numbers again, but I think the sixth time 102 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 6: something like this has happened. We don't know if he's 103 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 6: injured or not yet. We really don't know if it 104 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 6: is a if he was under the influence, but right 105 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 6: now he is arrest for suspicion. 106 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: And again, it could be all kinds of stuff, prescription drugs, 107 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: other stuff in his system. That's probably why I didn't 108 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: want to take the urine test to go along with it, 109 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: especially after he blew a clean test for alcohol. But 110 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: it's just another situation where Tiger Woods finds himself embarrassingly 111 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: in handcuffs after being behind the wheel, and. 112 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: It just can't keep happening. 113 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: And the other thing, too, is this is getting really 114 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: serious and maybe Tiger Woods needs to take lyft on 115 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: uber or hire a driver, because I'm starting to worry 116 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: that possibly X one two three four over par that's 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: the number I think they gave him when he took 118 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: his when he took his picture at the floor z 119 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: X one two three four over part. That's his number. 120 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: I should call him Tiger Woods and not his prison name. 121 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: But I'm just. 122 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: Saying to you, Yeah, the idea that this is. 123 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: Where Tiger is going and this continues to happen like 124 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: this is scary. This is a legendary figure who could 125 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: wind up if this continues, where there'll be some awful 126 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: ending to this, either Tiger Woods, either some other driver 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: or drivers that this could possibly be what people remember 128 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: as Tiger Woods at the end, once he stopped winning 129 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the majors and the greatest golfer of all time, the 130 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: post great golfer, Tiger is now the bad driver under 131 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: the influence. There's no other way you can look at 132 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: it and not think that there's some issue here when 133 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: this guy so wealthy could easily have a driver, could 134 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: easily take hisself out of this situation. 135 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: And it's a bad look. Keith, I don't know what 136 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: else to say. 137 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, we can kind of joke about 138 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 5: it because no one was hurt. I think we got 139 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 5: that that, you know, the other driver was okay. But 140 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 5: it's scary, right because it's like here we go again, 141 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 5: and like you said, with Tiger and his whole legacy 142 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 5: and what we know about him. You don't want to 143 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: tarnish this whole thing later he's fifty years old. You 144 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 5: want to tarnish this whole thing later on, where like 145 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 5: the younger generation is just gonna know him for this 146 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 5: type of stuff. 147 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: And I don't know what's gonna come of this. 148 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 5: I think it was smart of him to not take 149 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: the urine analysis, the urine tests. 150 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure that came from his lawyers who just said, 151 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: don't do it. Yeah, he blew zeros, so at least 152 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: when you first hear d got he still got arrested 153 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: because they thought he was imp. 154 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 5: I mean, and they have to do that, they have 155 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 5: to do their job as a big accident. And then 156 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 5: also they said they got to hold him there for 157 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 5: eight hours and then let him go. But you know 158 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 5: he's rich, right, so two things, he's gonna you know, 159 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 5: get a hungry lawyer to eat the But then, like 160 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 5: you said, why are we not at the point where 161 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 5: this guy has that driver? 162 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: Does he love his cars that much? And I don't care. 163 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 5: I know he got nice cars, but somebody's got to 164 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 5: drive him for you or get picked up in a 165 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 5: nice car. He can definitely afford car service. This has 166 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 5: to be the final blow. This has to be the 167 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 5: last one of Tiger putting himself in this type of 168 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 5: situation before he hurts himself or someone else. And for anybody, 169 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 5: I was just thinking they were gonna see him playing 170 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 5: the Masters or anything else coming up. Now that just 171 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 5: got taken off the board. 172 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: I think he wasn't gonna play anyway, but just the 173 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: idea that the Masters is about to start, and Tiger's 174 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: making news under the influence at least what police are reporting, 175 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: and a dui and handcuffs and jail. I don't care 176 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: if it's for eight hours, like you got handcuffed, booked, right, 177 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: and they put you on a hold in bend because 178 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: they're afraid to let you out. 179 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: You need to sober up, right. It's a bad look. 180 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: For Tiger, and unfortunately uh as great as he was 181 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: on the golf course to start his career, Keith and 182 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: nobody can take anything away from him. I say to 183 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: this day, Tiger probably you know, cost me my marriage because. 184 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: When he won the. 185 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: Masters, his first Masters, I was on my honeymoon in Japan. 186 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't think we sealed the deal because I was 187 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: just too busy watching. 188 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: You were locked in You're watching at a bar over 189 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: there in Japan, and so no, we're in our hotel room. 190 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: You wouldn't leave the hotel. We were glued. I wanted 191 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: to see him win. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 192 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: It took. 193 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: It took five years later, but I'm just saying I 194 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: still blame him for having an effect on my marriage. 195 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: But seriously, and this is a serious situation because as 196 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: Shay said, as you said, and as I said, no 197 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: one was seriously hurt in this situation, but it could 198 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: have been worse. We could have had fatalities, loss of life, limbs, 199 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: all those situations. And the idea that when it all 200 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: shook out and the police looked at everything, they said, Tiger. 201 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: Woods is to blame here for what he was doing. 202 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: Driving at what I read and what was reported as 203 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: a reckless speed. Right, he was also driving recklessly. So 204 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: as a young guy who just you know, Tiger Woods 205 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: as he gets older and he hasn't won you know, 206 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: big tournaments in years, to be honest. 207 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: Now we're getting the other side of Tiger Woods. 208 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: And this guy once had a Prestine Keith reputation. Sure, 209 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: family man, kids, great golfer, big smile, no dirty laundry guy, 210 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: all that. 211 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: Pro All we got now. 212 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Are recordings from his mistresses, you know what I mean 213 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: for all things, all that stuff, and he's cooking more 214 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: in bacon and eggs in the Perkins parking lot, all 215 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: kinds of uh, you know, sultry stuff that now Tiger 216 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: Woods is involved in. 217 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: And now this is the worst of the worst. 218 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: I've said this before, and Patrick Mahomes is pops. 219 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: I believe three du wise yeah. 220 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: Three and again they lock you up. After the third one, 221 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: he did not get locked up. The lawyers got to 222 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: have a hungry lawyer. 223 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: And it was in. 224 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: Missouri, and Patrick Mahomes is a big star there for real. 225 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: But that is scary to me because when you do 226 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: that and you leave somebody to be to get back 227 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: on the road, there's a good chance that something bad 228 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: is gonna happen. And Tiger Woods needs to stay off 229 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: the road. In fact, I think that that should be 230 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: a part of whatever shakes out of this, that he 231 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: needs to have a full time mandated Yeah, I'm that serious, 232 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: because this is not this is not a good thing. Yeah, 233 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: Tiger's is fifty years old, so like he's got a 234 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: long way to go, long life to go. 235 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 5: And I mean golf is a sport that guys play 236 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 5: until they're fifty sixty up there. 237 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: In age, the senior tour. I mean, he's coming back 238 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: from an injury. 239 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 5: You have the Achilles and so we know he takes 240 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 5: some medication probably for that. You mix that with like, 241 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 5: I don't know the time of day that it was too. 242 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 5: This is broad daylight. It's the middle of the day. 243 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: Right, Well, he had something there that they felt impaired him. 244 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: So that's the interesting part. It'll be interesting to see 245 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: how this thing plays out. Obviously he has all the 246 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: money in the world and great lawyers, and there'll be 247 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to see how this thing plays out. 248 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: But we know what the details are. That he got 249 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: arrested today suspicion of dui. Even though he blew a 250 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: clean breathalyzer, they still believe that he was under the influence. 251 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: He refused to take a urine out a urine test. 252 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: So this will play out. 253 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: Where are you on Tiger Woods? Has he been, you know, 254 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: as somebody who was so great and such an iconic figure. 255 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: When you see this at the end, does this tarnish him? 256 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: A little bit in your eyes or no. This is 257 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: just human problems and people have issues. Can you overlook 258 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: this when you look at him? Where are you on 259 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods? Because I think it does tarnish you when 260 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: you continue to do Everybody makes a mistake. 261 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's right. 262 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: You make a mistake, you learn from m'keith, and you 263 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: clean up your act and you move on. 264 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: That hasn't been the case with Tiger. And it seems like. 265 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: There's always some issues, always something happening with Tiger eight seven, 266 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven nine nine 267 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: six sixty three sixty nine, we want to hear from you. 268 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: Where are you on Tiger Woods? And this whole situation today? 269 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: How do you look at Tiger differently? The same? Unchanged? 270 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: Does it bother? You will take your calls. It is 271 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: the Odd Couple Keith Macpherson filling in for Kelvin Washington, 272 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: Rob Parker. Where we deliver insight, not noise right here 273 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. 274 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: Stick and stay because in Tigers Woods, great words. I 275 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: hit us so good today it was fun. 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A 313 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 5: lot of stuff to get to. 314 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: I know you just kind of mentioned it, but we 315 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: do have sound from these coaches, Tom Izzo and Dan Hurley. 316 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: Let's start with Dan Hurley and then we'll talk about it. 317 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: But they think that college basketball and America has turned 318 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: to goo, you know society. 319 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 7: You know, we've got sot in a lot of ways. 320 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 7: I think with you know, we're trying to develop young people. 321 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 7: I think young people. The teachers and coaches that impact 322 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 7: their lives the most are not the teachers and coaches that, 323 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 7: like gave mcgrade they didn't deserve. I mean, you remember 324 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 7: the teachers and coaches that pushed you, uh to your maximum? 325 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 7: You know, that pushed you beyond your comfort level. I 326 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 7: just think the same thing applies to coaching. I feel 327 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 7: like I got a responsibility. You know, I coach eighteen 328 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 7: nineteen twenty year old men. There's a lot of commitment 329 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 7: that I've got to instill in them to prepare them 330 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 7: for the real world. The real world is tough, it's cruel. 331 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 7: You got to be you got to be equipped. So 332 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 7: on the flip side of how I'm driving them and 333 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 7: pushing them to be the best that they can be 334 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 7: and prepare them for life, I'm also or times that 335 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 7: we spend you know together, laughing, joking, making fun of 336 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 7: each other. You know, you don't see that part of me. 337 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 7: You unfortunately just sometimes see the monster. 338 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: And then of course we also heard Tom Mizzo had 339 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: similar comments. 340 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 8: You played real good. You start, you don't play, it's good, 341 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 8: you work your way back in. It's the American way, 342 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 8: except the America is gunn soft. But there's the American way. 343 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 8: That's the way it works. And so I apologize to 344 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 8: nobody for that. 345 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 5: They're not wrong, they're not wrong, but somebody's gonna say 346 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 5: they are wrong. You know, you gotta be nicer to 347 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: these kids. You gotta coddle these kids. This is the 348 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 5: nil era, this is the transfer portal era. We're paying 349 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 5: these kids. They'll leave, they'll go somewhere else. You don't 350 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 5: want to upset the modern day athlete. You gotta have 351 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 5: kid gloves. But nah, I'm always school too in that sense, 352 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 5: Like playing football growing up, I understand it. And we 353 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 5: just saw even in the women's college game, the Maryland 354 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 5: coach and you know, she was going hard at a 355 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 5: player and the player said, I like that. You gotta 356 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 5: just be coachable. And they get paid so much money. 357 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 5: They don't get paid to be babysitters. They don't get 358 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 5: paid to be these kids friends. They got to coach them, 359 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 5: They got to get them prepared for the real world. 360 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 5: The world has gotten soft. But in the lines, in 361 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 5: the battle lines of sport and competition, I really do 362 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 5: feel like these guys got to stand firm on that. 363 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: They gotta be tough on their guys. 364 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't buy it at all. There's more ways of coaching, 365 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: and it's just a crutch. Tom Mizzo so tough on 366 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: his players. When's the last time he want a championship? 367 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: Since Moby Dick was a guppy twenty six years ago. 368 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: That really works. Stop with this whole There's not one 369 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: way of how you coach. And it's not that you 370 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: just have to be a task master and disrespect players 371 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: and yell at them and in order to get people 372 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: to respond. People are different. You can't coach everybody the same. 373 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: And you know that, Keith, you might need You might 374 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: be the guy who needs to be kicked in the bus, 375 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: but the other guy needs to be patted on the 376 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: butt in order to motivate him. Everybody's not the same. 377 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: And it's just you know why these guys. 378 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: All a butt heard and Americans souched off and all. 379 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: This, it's because players now have power. That's what they're 380 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: afraid of. And it's not about America being soft. 381 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: You can't jerk. 382 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: These guys around like you're used to. Everybody thought when. 383 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: You got a four year scholarship, you were set. It's 384 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: renewable every year. 385 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: And if they want to force you off the team 386 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: or take away your minutes. They could do it, and 387 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: now they can't do it because the players can get 388 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: up and walk out and go to the transfer portal. 389 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: They're making money where those kids had nothing before, and 390 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: the coaches had their scholarship in their back pocket and 391 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: they treated them terribly. All those players, the only reason 392 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: that they always after the fact have love for them 393 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: is because those coaches often were the ones who recruited them. 394 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 3: And I get it. You never forget that right. He 395 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: gave you a chance. 396 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: So even if you're not even if you didn't like 397 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: your experience with him for the most part, you're not 398 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: going to go public and say this guy was a 399 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: terrible guy. Very seldom do you see former players do that. 400 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the same thing. 401 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: Bobby Knight, the late Bobby Knight cracking a whip and 402 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: doing all that stuff to his players. You can't do 403 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: that today. Don't tell me that America's gotten sold. It's 404 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: more sophisticated, it's more understanding. 405 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: You could be coach hard, but it doesn't mean that 406 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: you have to. 407 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: Act like a jerk and you have to treat people 408 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: with disrespect to get them to work hard. There are 409 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: different ways of coaching. And Dan Hurley, you know, I 410 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: get it. He's won a couple of championships. I guess what, 411 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: They won championships at Yukon before Dan Hurley got there. 412 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he don't have anything to do 413 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: with it, but that program's won champions Kevin Olli won 414 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: a championship at Yukon. So you're telling me it's just 415 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: the way Dan Hurley coaches. Is that the only way 416 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: you win. I don't remember Kevin Olli being in that 417 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: same temperature right or being that hot. 418 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: Come on, Keith, these are dinosaurs. 419 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: Tom Izzo is best described as Fred Flintstone with a 420 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: better car. 421 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: That's who he is. 422 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna sit here and let Tom Mizzo 423 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: try to tell the world and Dan Hurley. 424 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: That you have to be a task master. 425 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: You have to be mean and spiteful and all that, 426 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: and treat the kids with disrespect and yell at them 427 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: in front of everybody and try to embarrass them. It's 428 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: one thing if they're not playing up the park, take 429 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: them out. They'll get the message. You don't have to 430 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: be that way. And I'm not against people giving some 431 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: tough love and all that, but they are more than 432 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: one ways of coaching. So you go ahead, and you 433 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: know what, guys like Tom Mizzeo should retire if you 434 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: can't stand that America so soft. Retire Tom, Why don't 435 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: you give it up? Go do like all the other 436 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: old coaches who bounced out. They bounced out because they 437 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: can't adapt. Tom Mizzo can't adapt. Tom Mizzo never wanted 438 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: to take one and Dons Keith. That's why he hasn't 439 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: won in a quarter century, right because he wouldn't take one, 440 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: and Dons he fought against that. That's why you don't win. 441 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: I don't care how your coaching style is. That's why 442 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: you won't win the big games because you refuse to adapt. 443 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: When you don't adapt. 444 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 3: You know what happens. 445 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: You become a dinosaur and you can become extinct. And 446 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: that's when I hear these coaches talk like this. They 447 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: don't read the room. They don't understand. This ain't nineteen 448 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: eighty five. And they took a shot at the media. 449 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: So I know you caught that one. 450 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 5: You're being part of the immediately they know it, they said, 451 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 5: the media that criticizes them. 452 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: They don't play. They don't know what they're talking about. 453 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: Of course they always do that. It's so easy. 454 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: And guess what, Dan Hurley and Tom Izzo, you've never 455 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: written a column for a major newspaper. 456 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: You don't know what I do. 457 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: You don't have a national radio show on four hundred 458 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: stations across the country three hours a night, five nights 459 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: a week. 460 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: You don't know what I do. You didn't go to 461 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: journalism school. That's the easiest crutch. Oh yeah, the media, 462 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: they don't know. They weren't on the team. They don't 463 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 3: know what they're talking about. 464 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: We talk to plenty of athletes and the real story 465 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: behind it. 466 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: They talk about this stuff. 467 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: That's why stories are broken and people know what's going 468 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. 469 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: It's all garbage to me. 470 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: Every time I hear it makes me sick to hear 471 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: these coaches constantly. They don't have the control Keith that 472 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: they used to have, and that is what makes them 473 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: upset that they can't take away a kid's scholarship or 474 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: scold them and be afraid that that kid might walk 475 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: because they treated them incorrectly. You go ahead, you're supposed 476 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: to be new school, and you go back these old timers. 477 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: These old fuddy duddies, that's what they are. Yeah, it 478 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: was Sir Charles too. 479 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 5: Sir Charles said, the media who don't know anything about sports, say, 480 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 5: why is he yelling at his players? 481 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: That's called coaching. 482 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 5: If parents and friends get mad because you're getting yelled at, 483 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 5: get better parents and better friends. But listen, man, it 484 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 5: is a changing of the guard and just modern day times. 485 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 5: Jim lary Naga hung it up, Nick Saban, I think 486 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: is another coach that you talk about with the changing 487 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 5: of the guard in the NIL and the transfer port, 488 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 5: it was like, this is not for me. A lot 489 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 5: of these coaches saw the landscape changing and they said, no, 490 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 5: I don't want to compete. If this is the type 491 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 5: of thing we got to do. We got to pay 492 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 5: these players, and if recruiting involves, you know, competing with 493 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 5: the dollar amount. 494 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't know where we're heading. 495 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: I think it's a wild wild West still with college sports. 496 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 5: And I do think that old guard is going to 497 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 5: age out. And I mean you're seeing it. 498 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: You're buying this. 499 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 5: I mean seriously, I know where they're coming from. I 500 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 5: just understand both sides. I was a former college athlete. 501 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 5: I understand coaching a guy hard. I also understand different 502 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 5: styles for different players. Some guys you got to you 503 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 5: got to talk to them in private. You can't embarrass them. 504 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 5: Some guys, you embarrass them. That brings up best. 505 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 3: That's my point is that there's two sides. 506 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: There is no one coaching style that's going to get 507 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: the best out of people. 508 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: All right. 509 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: I had a situation in Cincinnati with Loup Pannello when 510 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: he was the manager and all the players complained that 511 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: they weren't having fun. This is after they won the 512 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: World Series Keith in nineteen ninety In nineteen ninety one, 513 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: they were complaining behind the scenes that it wasn't fun 514 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: to play for Loop Pagnelo. Okay, and I went and 515 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: I wrote the story, and that the guys did in 516 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: one of their names in the paper. 517 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: But I was willing. I thought it was a big 518 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: enough story. And you know what happened. 519 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: Loopaannella yelled to the top of his lungs and embarrassed 520 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: me in front of everybody in the clubhouse. And then 521 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: two or three weeks later after that story, blew over. 522 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: Guess what he did in front of all my peers 523 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: in his office. He acknowledged that I was right, and 524 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: Loopannella said, you know what, Rob is right. 525 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: Remember that column he wrote a couple of weeks ago. 526 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: He's right. 527 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: I can't treat everybody the same. That's a hard nose, 528 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: he said. When I was a player, that's how the 529 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: managers treated the player. So that's what I adopted, he said, 530 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: But I know that it's different now. This was in 531 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: the nineties, and Tom Mizzo still thinks that he can 532 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: coach the way coach twenty five years. 533 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 3: Ago when he won a championship, good luck, he said. 534 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: Accountability is going to be big until I leave. And 535 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: you just told him to leave. 536 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 5: I'm telling me a good game tonight. Now I can't 537 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 5: wait to watch him. So I already got Mick Cronin 538 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 5: up out of here. We know how mc crone and 539 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 5: UCLA how he gets down. So this is gonna be 540 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 5: a fun matchup between two old school, hard nosed coaches 541 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: that believe in coaching hard and yelling at players. 542 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: And this is the way. It's gonna be my way 543 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: or the highway. 544 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: Those days are over and if you don't adapt, you 545 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: won't be around long and players won't play for you. 546 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that no one's gonna go sign up 547 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: for that. And I'm not talking about you want somebody 548 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: to just be easy and roll over and all that stuff. 549 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: I don't believe that, but I don't think. I think 550 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: you have to be able to adapt. And that is 551 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: the issue I have. It's so easy to say America 552 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: is so soft, and that's your excuse for everything. Why 553 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: didn't you win twenty years ago when teams didn't change. 554 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: How come you didn't win? Then coaching hard doesn't mean 555 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna win anything, It just doesn't. Somebody would have 556 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: to show me the proof of that. Villanova, is that 557 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: what you got that they were coached hard. 558 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: Jay Wright probably would be in line with these guys. 559 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: I'm asking you. Did Jay Wright act like those guys? 560 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 5: Know, he didn't carry himself like that, but he would 561 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 5: say he probably coached them hard. 562 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: He was very you know, he was all class. 563 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: But this is my point, and Jay Wright did pretty 564 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: well for himself at Villanova. 565 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's get some people involved, right, Let's get these 566 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 5: people involved. 567 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 8: Now. 568 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 5: I see him going off in the YouTube chat too. 569 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 5: They said, Rob, tell us how you really feel? So 570 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 5: call us up, tell us how you really feel the 571 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 5: number the dollar is eight seven, seven, nine nine nine 572 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 5: on Fox. Coming up, We're gonna hear from you guys next. 573 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 5: I can't wait to hear what you guys think. Are 574 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 5: these coaches going too hard? Do they need to be 575 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 5: softer as the world getting solved? Do you gotta treat 576 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 5: these kids differently now because they got nil and transfer 577 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 5: portal powers? 578 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: Give up that number one more time. 579 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 5: The number of dollars eight seven, seven, nine, nine, nine one, six, 580 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 5: nine nine six. 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You can give us the Nicks thumbs up. 602 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: That's for you, Keith Nicks thumbs up icon or comment away, uh. 603 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: Because that changed the next season, that thumb but that's 604 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: another story. 605 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: Uh. 606 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: Yes, and make sure you try chime in and check 607 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: us out on YouTube. Remember it's Odd Couple fs R 608 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: and subscribe. 609 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: So Keith spirited two hours in the books. 610 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: We got one more to go here on the Odd 611 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: Couple Fox Sports Radio. And this one I think is 612 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting for both of us. So there's a 613 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: little tay to tay brewing between George Gervin, who when 614 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: I was growing up was called the Iceman, and then 615 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: this past year we saw Caleb Williams, who you know, 616 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm all about Caleb, uh, and they call him the Iceman. 617 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Because of the throws and the games that he was 618 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: able to win this past year for the Bears. He 619 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: was incredible in winning those games. And Alex, you do 620 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: have Caleb Williams. To let Keith know how much of 621 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: a Caleb guy I am in that I made a 622 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: song for him. 623 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 3: Are you ready, Keith? Here we go. 624 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: Yep, we got this song that I made for Keley. 625 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't make songs for a lot of players. You 626 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: know me, I'm not a fan guy. But when I 627 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: see a talent, and way before everybody else got on 628 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: board with Caleb Williams, here was my song for him. 629 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: And then I saw his toss. I'm a believer, stress 630 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: and not a trace of doubt in my mind. I'm 631 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 3: in love with Caleb. I'm a believer. I couldn't leave 632 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 3: him if I tried. There you go, there's that song 633 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: to Caleb. 634 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: Song that I came with before he started winning, before 635 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: he started throwing all the touchdowns at the end of 636 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: the games and all that. But guess one guy's not 637 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: singing his praises and that's George Irving. George Irving the 638 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: Iceman and Shane. What did he have to say about 639 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: what's happening? Between him and Caleb. 640 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 6: George Irving kind of making a comeback right now. He 641 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 6: was actually on Marty Supreme. If you guys didn't know that, 642 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 6: one of the Oscar nominated movies in twenty twenty six, 643 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 6: I didn't even know who this guy was, to be honest, 644 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 6: and I work in sports, so. 645 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 3: Way way before Georgia was in Marty Supreme, I didn't 646 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 3: see that. Yeah, yeah, which is pretty crazy. 647 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: Before you, Shae, you're a young guy, you're in your twenties. 648 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: You wouldn't know who George. 649 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, which makes sense honestly, But I definitely know who 650 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 6: Caleb Williams is, and I do know he wanted to 651 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 6: be the Iceman. So we'll see what goes on with that. 652 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 6: So George, George, Gervie and by Iceman, you guys, hear 653 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 6: this news. But one, yes, you know this is when 654 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 6: I'm rob right. 655 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: Yes, this is the danger Zone, right, this is top Guns, 656 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 3: top Gun. You know who's in to know that? Never 657 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 3: seen top Gun? Okay, that's what Tom, That's a Tom Cruise. 658 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 6: But the Iceman is from this movie and that's where 659 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 6: everyone gets this name from. Caleb Williams wants to be 660 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 6: called the Iceman in Chicago. He wants to be called 661 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 6: that name to yesterday, he put in the applications for 662 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 6: Iceman and Iceman forty four, four days after Williams filed me. 663 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 3: So the trademark. 664 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, next Gervin does it or Irvin does the same 665 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 6: exact thing for Iceman and Iceman forty four. This is 666 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 6: going to cause a couple issues within the law field 667 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 6: as well as between the two athletes. People are not 668 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 6: really understanding why he would do this now because you 669 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 6: could have done it how long ago, and now after 670 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 6: just four days of Caleb Williams doing it, he decided, 671 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 6: maybe it's time for me to trademark something that's already 672 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 6: been trademarked. 673 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 3: What do you guys think? And here we go, Keith. Okay, 674 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: so we got new school and old school. Okay. 675 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: George Gervin was the Iceman when I was growing up, 676 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: and you know him as a basketball player, first in 677 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: the ABA and in the NBA. That's how long George 678 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: Gervin played. Okay that there was the ABA was around 679 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: and that was his nickname and everybody knew that as 680 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: his nickname. And then Caleb came around this year and 681 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: with Ben Johnson as the head coach and just made 682 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: some incredible plays, and they would say, this guy has 683 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: ice in his veins. He's unbelievable and uncanny. And now 684 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: here we are the moment of truth. And if you 685 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: ask me, when I hear the name Iceman, I think 686 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: of George Gervin, I do? 687 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: I do? 688 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: I think Caleb has a right to trademarket because that's 689 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: what people are calling him now. And you would have 690 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: thought that maybe George Gervin would have done it already. 691 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: But when I hear that nickname, I do think of 692 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 3: George Gervin, I do. Caleb is brand new. 693 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: He's a puppy compared to George. 694 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 3: Girt About George Gerbina and played basketball. 695 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm guessing in twenty five years or whatever it's been, 696 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: I gotta. 697 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 3: Look at it. He retired before I was born, Shaye, 698 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 3: When did he retire? 699 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: Can you find out out? I don't know the exact year. 700 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: What do you been talking from playing basketball? It's been 701 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: a long time, maybe longer than that. Nineteen ninety nineteen 702 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: ninety so how many. 703 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 3: Years is that right? Thirty six years? Right? Yeah, that's 704 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: a long time. Where are you on this listen? 705 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 5: I don't know why anybody is fighting over this because 706 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 5: the only Iceman I know of right now is Drizzy Drake. 707 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 5: I'm waiting for Drake to drop. Y'all didn't see them 708 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 5: Iceman YouTube episodes. Drake put out He's supposed to have 709 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 5: a whole Iceman album. We're waiting on Drake as the Iceman. 710 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 5: That's why I know is iceman. But listen Caleb with 711 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 5: ice in his veins. The throw he made against the Packers, 712 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 5: he plays out there in Soldier Field is cold, and 713 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 5: then he does the chili like I'm doing. If you 714 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 5: can see me on YouTube, the chili celebration. The Iceman like, hey, 715 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 5: he's got it right now. George Gerwin, Girvin, Irvin Gerwin. 716 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 5: You can't think of somebody. You can't think of someone 717 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 5: as the Iceman that you don't think of. Nobody was 718 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 5: thinking about George Gervin as the Iceman. I honestly forgot 719 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 5: about bro until this came back around. They even in 720 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 5: the article said that no, Chuck Liddell is the Iceman. 721 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 5: I forgot about Chuck Liddell, the fighter from UFC. Caleb 722 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 5: Williams has got it right now. He's known as the 723 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 5: Iceman from them throws ice in his veins. It's him 724 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 5: and Drake, him and Drazy. 725 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: So if you're in the patent office, the trademark office, 726 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: you're going now it depends, right, Is it a young 727 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: guy who's righting his trademark. 728 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 3: Or is it an old school guy you know what 729 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 3: I mean? Who goes Oh. 730 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: When I think of the iceman as George Gervin, he 731 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: used to have posters. I remember having a poster in 732 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: my room and it said he was on a block 733 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: with his foot up on a block of ice, Rob, 734 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: because that was his name. 735 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: Rob. 736 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 6: You're not the only one. Skip Bayliss was on Twitter 737 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 6: today and actually said, I'm a Caleb Williams fan, but 738 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 6: I was a much bigger Iceman Gary fan, and I'm 739 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 6: offended Caleb and cohor trying to steal George's all time 740 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 6: great nickname. But then actually he responded, Caleb Williams came 741 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 6: back on Twitter and responded, I don't care about where 742 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 6: your fandom stands. I was trying to give you and 743 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 6: everyone else the benefit of the doubt and knowing business 744 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 6: and being smart about it. But I guess not foolish 745 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 6: of me. Also words matter, escape baylists steal quote enjoy 746 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 6: that podcast. 747 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 3: There you go, Okay, wow, okay. 748 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: So Caleb johb jumping in and I'm not now what 749 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: I will say is Caleb is the one who came 750 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: up with the idea for the trademark George Gervin a 751 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: long time ago, the idea that now he's coming late 752 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: to the party. 753 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 3: Am I right? 754 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: He's retired for three years late? Like I can't understand that, right, 755 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: Like Caleb Chalen hasn't born yet. Calup shouldn't even have 756 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity to grab it, you know, you know what 757 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying, because it should have been trademark years ago, 758 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: but people didn't always do that. 759 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 3: Pat Riley was the one who trademarked three pete. They're smart. 760 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: He was like the Lakers went three in a row 761 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 3: where they calling it. 762 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: Not a repeat, a three peat, and he gets paid 763 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: every time somebody puts that on a T shirt or 764 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: every time somebody uses three pete. So George Gervin made 765 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: the big error and that he's late to the party 766 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: for this, and now he wants to try to, you know, 767 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: stop Caleb from doing it and trying to grab it. 768 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of late to me, but I'm gonna tell 769 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 1: you I'm all in on Caleb. I said it before 770 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: he started playing. Well, I said it even after they 771 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: got ins. 772 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 3: I think was that Game. 773 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: Two in Detroit, right, everybody was like, oh, they're awful, 774 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: and Caleb can't play and all that other stuff. So 775 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: I was still there with Caleb. But in this case, 776 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: if you ask me honestly, who do I think of? 777 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: I think of George Gervin and you, being much younger 778 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: than I am, Keith, you think of Caleb, right, I 779 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: mean is that it. 780 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 5: And Drake, And Drake is a much bigger name and 781 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 5: entity than all of them, So I think of Drake Iceman. 782 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 3: Wait till the album drops. That's gonna be a new wrinkle. 783 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 5: When Drake's album goes number one called Iceman, they're gonna 784 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 5: say Drake is the Iceman. 785 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: So this is interesting to me, and we'd love to 786 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: hear from you, especially eight seven seven ninety nine on 787 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: Fox when like the trademark thing is gonna be determined. 788 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 3: So we all know how that goes. We can't figure 789 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 3: that out. 790 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven 791 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. But when you 792 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: hear that nickname who do you think of? Because Keith 793 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: is saying it's Drake. That's what the young kids are 794 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: gonna says Drake. Is that what they're saying? 795 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 3: Facts? 796 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: Although the old heads like me are gonna say George 797 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: Gervin and the current sports fans Shay like you and 798 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: guys in their twenties, are they gonna say Caleb Williams? 799 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 6: What real quick to touch on? To touch on what 800 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 6: you guys just said about Drake. I think they're actually 801 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 6: doing something together. I think Kaylab and Drake actually, I 802 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 6: think that's why he's trying to get this. These are 803 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 6: all speculations and everything. 804 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 5: From Instagram if you follow him both on Instagram, they 805 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 5: did allude to something. 806 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they've been alluding to doing something together for 807 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 6: a while. So honestly, I think Ice, the original iceman, 808 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 6: which is your iceman Rob, is very small compared to 809 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 6: like what's the god Man? Yeah exactly, And like whether 810 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 6: you guys trying to muster and push this out, but 811 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 6: it's like Drake's got all the money and then you 812 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 6: got Caleb Williams who's got the money and the fingernails. 813 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 3: So it's like this is gonna you know what I mean? 814 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 5: Like this is gonna happen, Like I don't I feel 815 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 5: almost those touchdowns. 816 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 6: I don't care about the figure. I mean, hey, as 817 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 6: long as you cast your bets, Rob. 818 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 3: Right, am? I right? 819 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm just like man he balled out last year and 820 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: did on Caleb Williams. And all I'm saying is not 821 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: whether he or not, because I believe that he's going 822 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 1: to get the trademark because he's first to the party, 823 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: right Like, Like George hasn't played in thirty six years, 824 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: that's a that's a nineteen ninety long time. So, but 825 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: from you, the Odd Couple listener, what do you think 826 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: of Who do you think is really the iceman? Is 827 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: it George Gervin Old School? Caleb Williams New School? Is 828 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: it Drake Worldwide Music Icon? We want to hear from you. 829 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna get as many people in tell us. Who 830 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: do you think is the real iceman? 831 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 3: And why? 832 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven 833 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: nine nine. 834 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 3: Six sixty three sixty nine. 835 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 1: It is the Odd Couple on a Funky Flashback Friday, 836 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: Rob Parker, Keith McPherson, Infra kelvin Washington, where we deliver insight, 837 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: not noise right here on Fox Sports Radio, and you 838 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: know what you need to do on a Friday night. 839 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 4: Stick and stay, especially if you haven't seen Tom Gun 840 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 4: in the U s of Ay.